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« Reply #45 on: October 27, 2003, 01:08:06 PM »
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Is that so? Please refer me to the page and verse in my Bible where I am to kill the infidels.


Please, like wise do the same from the Koran.
Chapter and verse please.

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« Reply #46 on: October 27, 2003, 01:09:40 PM »
The three are basically the same more than they are different - practically they are one relgion, it really bothers me that the three brother religions are and have been fighting each other for so long.. :(

Oh well maybe some day it can stop...

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« Reply #47 on: October 27, 2003, 01:10:51 PM »
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Is that so? Please refer me to the page and verse in my Bible where I am to kill the infidels.


hmm somewhere in there it says "thou shall not take another God before me"

But I do recall in the Koran a verse that says "tolerate all other religions, so that we may live side by side in peace"--a very rough english translation...

Just as I have heard a bible thumpin Baptist preacher say "anyone who isnt a baptist will certainly go to hell"

I know that some Islamic fanatics take the Koran out of context also....

fanatisicsm and politics is what causes the problems between the religions anyway--I say chuck em all and lets become buhdists....
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« Reply #48 on: October 27, 2003, 01:12:56 PM »
Same god, Rude but he's instigating this Infidel/Muslim thing because it's more interesting to him than Monday Night Football.

;)
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« Reply #49 on: October 27, 2003, 01:13:57 PM »
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Christianity, Judaism and Islam are all religions that have grown from a common source of texts and traditions.


Abraham begatted a hateful mess of people... didn't he.

Jews, Christians, and Muslims - What a bunch of inbreds!

When is the last time there was a Taos or Budist suicide bomber?

Any religion with a fundamental tenet that it is right, it is the only right religion, and everything else is wrong... breads hate and intolerance.

All three religions are guilty of hate, murder, death, and the subjogation of millions of people.

The history of the Christian is perhaps the most egregious.

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« Reply #50 on: October 27, 2003, 01:14:10 PM »
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Well I can't have any respect for a guy who denies his own heritage


Does this mean you've finally figured out why a lot of us pretty much ignore your arguments?


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« Reply #51 on: October 27, 2003, 01:17:01 PM »
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Christianity, Judaism and Islam are all religions that have grown from a common source of texts and traditions. That is why the three are called "the Abrahamic faiths." - Susan B. Thistlethwaite, president and professor of theology at Chicago Theological Seminary



Anyone notice that they are all men? Wheres the women? OH NO dont tell was it? was it?............................. .............

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« Reply #52 on: October 27, 2003, 01:19:49 PM »
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Please, like wise do the same from the Koran.
Chapter and verse please.


Allah is an enemy to unbelievers. - Sura 2:98

On unbelievers is the curse of Allah. - Sura 2:161

Slay them wherever ye find them and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. - 2:191

Fight against them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme. (different translation: ) Fight them until there is no persecution and the religion is God's entirely. - Sura 2:193 and 8:39

Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it. - 2:216
(different translation: ) Prescribed for you is fighting, though it is hateful to you.

..... martyrs.... Enter heaven - Surah 3:140-43

If you should die or be killed in the cause of Allah, His mercy and forgiveness would surely be better than all they riches they amass. If you should die or be killed, before Him you shall all be gathered. - 3:157-8

You must not think that those who were slain in the cause of Allah are dead. They are alive, and well-provided for by their Lord. - Surah 3:169-71

Let those fight in the cause of God who sell the life of this world for the hereafter. To him who fights in the cause of God, whether he is slain or victorious, soon we shall give him a great reward. - Surah 4:74

Those who believe fight in the cause of God, and those who reject faith fight in the cause of evil. - 4:76

But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever you find them. - 4:89

Therefore, we stirred among them enmity and hatred, which shall endure till the Day of Resurrection, when Allah will declare to them all that they have done. - 5:14

O believers, take not Jews and Christians as friends; they are friends of each other. Those of you who make them his friends is one of them. God does not guide an unjust people. - 5:54

Make war on them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme - 8:39

O Prophet! Exhort the believers to fight. If there are 20 steadfast men among you, they shall vanquish 200; and if there are a hundred, they shall rout a thousand unbelievers, for they are devoid of understanding. - 8:65

It is not for any Prophet to have captives until he has made slaughter in the land. - 8:67

Allah will humble the unbelievers. Allah and His apostle are free from obligations to idol-worshipers. Proclaim a woeful punishment to the unbelievers. - 9:2-3

When the sacred months are over, slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them. - 9:5

Believers! Know that idolators are unclean. - 9:28

Fight those who believe neither in God nor the Last Day, nor what has been forbidden by God and his messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, even if they are People of the Book, until they pay the tribute and have been humbled. - 9:29 (another source: ) The unbelievers are impure and their abode is hell. (another source: ) Humiliate the non-Muslims to such an extent that they surrender and pay tribute.

Whether unarmed or well-equipped, march on and fight for the cause of Allah, with your wealth and your persons. - 9:41

O Prophet! Make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites. Be harsh with them. Their ultimate abode is hell, a hapless journey's end. - 9:73

Allah has purchased of their faithful lives and worldly goods, and in return has promised them the Garden. They will fight for His cause, kill and be killed. - 9:111

Fight unbelievers who are near to you. 9:123 (different translation:
Believers! Make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Let them find harshness in you. (another source: ) Ye who believe! Murder those of the disbelievers....

As for those who are slain in the cause of Allah, He will not allow their works to perish. He will vouchsafe them guidance and ennoble their state; He will admit them to the Paradise He has made known to them. - 10:4-15

Allah has cursed the unbelievers and proposed for them a blazing hell. - 33:60

Unbelievers are enemies of Allah and they will roast in hell. - 41:14

When you meet the unbelievers, smite their necks, then when you have made wide slaughter among them, tie fast the bonds, then set them free, either by grace or ransom, until the war lays down its burdens. - 47:4
(different translation: ) When you meet the unbelievers in the battlefield, strike off their heads, and when you have laid them low, bind your captives firmly.

Those who are slain in the way of Allah - he will never let their deeds be lost. Soon will he guide them and improve their condition, and admit them to the Garden, which he has announced for them. - 47:5

Muslims are harsh against the unbelievers, merciful to one another. - 48:25

Muhammad is Allah's apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another. Through them, Allah seeks to enrage the unbelievers. - 48:29

Prophet! Make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal sternly with them. Hell shall be their home, evil their fate. - 66:9

The unbelievers among the People of the Book and the pagans shall burn forever in the fire of hell. They are the vilest of all creatures. - 98:51

Fight them so that Allah may punish them at your hands, and put them to shame. (verse cited in Newsweek 2/11/02)
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« Reply #53 on: October 27, 2003, 01:20:58 PM »
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I'm wasting WAY to much time spewing B.S. on this bulletin board.


OMG knock me over with a feather lol--stop my sides cant handle it-----*GASP* *GASP* cant breath

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« Reply #54 on: October 27, 2003, 01:22:10 PM »
Isn't that special

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« Reply #55 on: October 27, 2003, 01:24:13 PM »
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Abraham begatted a hateful mess of people... didn't he.

Jews, Christians, and Muslims - What a bunch of inbreds!

When is the last time there was a Taos or Budist suicide bomber?

Any religion with a fundamental tenet that it is right, it is the only right religion, and everything else is wrong... breads hate and intolerance.

All three religions are guilty of hate, murder, death, and the subjogation of millions of people.

The history of the Christian is perhaps the most egregious.


When was the last time a Jew hijacked an airplane or carried out a suicide bombing?

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« Reply #56 on: October 27, 2003, 01:25:46 PM »
Toad, without context, that list is nearly meaningless. We could do the same thing with the bible and it would be equally meaningless.
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« Reply #57 on: October 27, 2003, 01:26:23 PM »
I dont deny my heritage - in fact I am far far more open about it than lets say, you.... :)

I have always said I was from Croatia/Yugoslavia, I have said that my experiences there and those of my family have shown me the problems inharent to communism and how such experiences shaped my outlook on society and politics and economics.  

I dont see how you conclude that I'm unaware of other countries because of my criticizm of communism in communist countries and criticizm of blatant communists in others - In fact I dont even see how such an argument applies to this discussion at all. Are you suggesting I think that all the world was communist?

As for the BBS the GRUNHERZ persona is an exaggerated character meant to tweak people a little bit for all our amusement. It developed because I realized the BBS was not a place of subtlety and being real and balanced in discuission was not as much fun as being outrageous a bit - so grun is a bit of a darth vader evil figure that upsets blleding heart leftie characters.

Now that I met a lot of AH guys in person I might change that as now they are real people I have met, gotten to know and became friends with.  :)

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« Reply #58 on: October 27, 2003, 01:26:42 PM »
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Same god, Rude but he's instigating this Infidel/Muslim thing because it's more interesting to him than Monday Night Football.

;)


Wow...what was I thinking??? And all along, I thought it was those HEATHENS!!!

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« Reply #59 on: October 27, 2003, 01:29:53 PM »
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Same god, Rude but he's instigating this Infidel/Muslim thing because it's more interesting to him than Monday Night Football.

;)


I didn't instigate it... Grun did.
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