Author Topic: How bad is this Administration...? (Read 4597 times)

straffo · « **Reply #90 on:** October 27, 2003, 02:43:18 PM »

Grun the trend (? courant de pensée in french ) you are trying to look up is Wahhabisme

Frogm4n · « **Reply #91 on:** October 27, 2003, 02:44:06 PM »

Its shamefull to know that other decendents of europeons are following a religion made by the crazy sand hole dwellers of the mideast, forsakeing their own heritage.

Frogm4n · « **Reply #92 on:** October 27, 2003, 02:45:11 PM »

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Originally posted by AKIron
I like analogies, here's one for ya.

Two cultures living on the same planet. Both think the world is flat. One day one of the cultures discovers the world isn't flat but the other culture doesn't believe it. Do they both live on the same world?

dont let the baptists know about the round world thing. They shoot people on site for saying pi isnt 3.

Sandman · « **Reply #93 on:** October 27, 2003, 02:48:58 PM »

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Originally posted by AKIron
I like analogies, here's one for ya.

Two cultures living on the same planet. Both think the world is flat. One day one of the cultures discovers the world isn't flat but the other culture doesn't believe it. Do they both live on the same world?

It's a fairly poor analogy. Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are all faiths. There is no proof, no discovery. There is only belief.

Scootter · « **Reply #94 on:** October 27, 2003, 02:49:32 PM »

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Originally posted by drone
excuse me-the king james version was rewritten so badly it doesnt even come close to the "original" bible---He left out a complete chapter because he didnt like it----and changed a good many chapters to fit his "view" to control his population......

I used that just so we don't see some hippy dip incense Bible as an example.

AKIron · « **Reply #95 on:** October 27, 2003, 02:51:08 PM »

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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
It's a fairly poor analogy. Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are all faiths. There is no proof, no discovery. There is only belief.

And belief is all we have.

Apache · « **Reply #96 on:** October 27, 2003, 02:53:33 PM »

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Originally posted by DmdNexus
I do believe it is "thou shalt not kill"

How about giving us the correct quote.

And tell me which bible you took the quote from: good news, king james, etc.

The hipocricy is in the "Christians"... the ones that are eager to kill other people and still call them selves Christians.

Nice try.

The Commandment, from the Hebrew text is "Thou shalt not murder". Ratsah, not harag.

DmdNexus · « **Reply #97 on:** October 27, 2003, 02:57:46 PM »

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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
It's a fairly poor analogy. Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are all faiths. There is no proof, no discovery. There is only belief.

yet... for centuries... the "Christian" Catholics supressed scientific discoveries because they were contrary to their beliefs...
Such as the absurd belief that the Earth was the center of the universe and the sun and stars revolved around it.

Do religions still try to supress scientific research - yep.
How about STEM CELL research which may actually help find a cure for paralysis, and alzheimers.

Religions are more than just beliefs... it breds Kooks, radicals, fanatics.... such as suicide bombers willing to die for Allah.

DmdNexus · « **Reply #98 on:** October 27, 2003, 03:03:19 PM »

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Originally posted by Apache
Nice try.

The Commandment, from the Hebrew text is "Thou shalt not murder". Ratsah, not harag.

Really... because in my book it says "Thou shalt not kill"

What's the difference between murder and kill?

And who decides the difference?

And let's get this straight... Jesus is ok with Killing... just not Murder right?

So turn the other cheek and love thy enemy.... can also be arbitrarily applied... just like "thou shalt not kill"...

Except... when the government says it's ok... for example... when Sadam says it's ok to kill someone... or GWB says it's ok to kill the muslims...

In those cases... it's not murder... right? It's just killing... which isn't murder.... because after alll God's behind it. so it's ok.

And the guy that's dying... Ahkmed... who was forced into an Iraqi uniform at gun point... who probably doesn't support Sadam... who has nothing to do with the Baath party...just at the wrong place at the wrong time... just trying to stay alive.

He get's "Killed"... it's ok... because our country is Christian and his is Muslem... and his leader was evil.

I love how Christians can rationalize killing other human beings.... and still call them selves Christians.

DmdNexus · « **Reply #99 on:** October 27, 2003, 03:08:15 PM »

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I love how Christians can rationalize killing other human beings.... and still call them selves Christians.

Ah no I don't - that was a lie. It makes me sad.

lord dolf vader · « **Reply #100 on:** October 27, 2003, 03:18:47 PM »

they certainly have fun with it. killing folks and all.

somhow the irony is lost on them. guess it has to be for them to believe it. invisable friend and all.

MJHerman · « **Reply #101 on:** October 27, 2003, 03:21:26 PM »

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Originally posted by DmdNexus
You're right the Jews (Israelis) don't hijack airplanes or comit suicide bombings...

They bulldoze houses of relatives of allegied PLO and Hamas members....

Not the member's houses, but their parents, brothers, uncles, sisters... etc. Guilt by association.... no due process either.

They grab land that isn't legally theirs by settling on it and building security fences around it.

They imprison people without due process... with out filing charges against them, with out giving them access to counsel.

They impoverish an entire culture and people to the point that they have no other way to fight back except to sacrifice their own lifes through suicide bombing.

They desercrate holy sites and monuments.

I don't think the Israelis are innocents here.

And I wonder why so many people have hated them, for so many thousands of years.

Just so I am clear on this.....

Americans can fight a war on terror but Israelis are not allowed to? You need to check your history a bit my friend and investigate a little bit more some of the root causes of the Arab/Israeli conflict.

As to the hating of Jews for thousands of years, the State of Israel was created in 1947. Even if your right in saying that people hate Jews because the State of Israel exercises its right to self preservation, that only accounts for the last 56 years.

And the whole imprisonment without due process thing...Israel must have learned that from the Americans....except the Israelis have no Gitmo to call their own.

DmdNexus · « **Reply #102 on:** October 27, 2003, 04:23:40 PM »

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Originally posted by MJHerman
Just so I am clear on this.....

Americans can fight a war on terror but Israelis are not allowed to? You need to check your history a bit my friend and investigate a little bit more some of the root causes of the Arab/Israeli conflict.

As to the hating of Jews for thousands of years, the State of Israel was created in 1947. Even if your right in saying that people hate Jews because the State of Israel exercises its right to self preservation, that only accounts for the last 56 years.

And the whole imprisonment without due process thing...Israel must have learned that from the Americans....except the Israelis have no Gitmo to call their own.

There were several UN resolutions one in 1947 which partitioned the land. But officially Israel became a nation in May of 1948. http://www.mfa.gov.il/mfa/go.asp?MFAH00hb0

I knew that before I had to look it up - you ought to check you history of Israel as well.

let me refer you to the following link which talks about Jewish group which were illegally taking land from the Palestinians during 1947.

http://www.trumanlibrary.org/whistlestop/study_collections/israel/large/1947.htm

http://www.palestinemonitor.org/factsheet/History_June2002.htm

http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_mandate_oppose_immigration.php

Isarael has every right to fight a war on terrorist... however, the Jews took that land from the Palestinians by acts of terrorism.. such as car bombs, pipe bombs, home made machine guns....

In other words... through violence.

The Bristish stepped out of the conflict, and the UN stepped in to broker the peace.

Ever since Israel has been illegally grabbing land from the Arabs.

The UN has been attempting to pass resolution after resolution to sanction Israel against their settlements in internationally recognized Palestinian settlements... and the US vetos these resolutions... the US should have a dog collar around it's next and the leash leads to its Israel handlers.

Israel is annexing land which is not theres..

So are the Palestinians terrorists? yes now many of them have become this...

they have the best lands taken from them (not unlike the American Indian saga), they ahve been impoverished, been made 3rd class citizens, and have been pushed into a corner by the Israelis...

The Palestinians are a desparate people... because the israelis made them this way...

At some time the violence must stop both sides are guilty of terrorism and inhumane acts.

The side that has the greatest obligation to stop is the side with the greatest might - that would be Israelis. Not only should they stop the physical violence but also the land grab which is a different form of agression.

Eagler · « **Reply #103 on:** October 27, 2003, 04:29:24 PM »

DmdNexus
have you hugged a terrorist today??

Rude · « **Reply #104 on:** October 27, 2003, 04:43:34 PM »

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Originally posted by DmdNexus
Let's take quotes from the bible one line at a time... taking out of context...

For example Lot sleeping with his daughters.... and God blessing them with the tribe of Moab...

Could one then say the bible promotes incest?

Remember the bible also says an eye-for-an-eye.... sort of in contrast with the turn-the-other-cheek teaching...

Only seems in contrast to those who haven't studied the Bible.