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« Reply #60 on: October 27, 2003, 01:29:56 PM »
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What you saying? God talks to you directly and you dont' need Priest to tell you who God wants you to kill next?

The last person to have that ability was Son of Sam... eehh..no wait GWB.


I disagree --everyone has the ability to talk directly with God--without the interference of any book thumping smuck....and what they talk about isnt anyones business except for the one God told em to kill:eek:

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« Reply #61 on: October 27, 2003, 01:33:41 PM »
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Allah has cursed the unbelievers and proposed for them a blazing hell. - 33:60
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Let's take quotes from the bible one line at a time... taking out of context...

For example Lot sleeping with his daughters.... and God blessing them with the tribe of Moab...

Could one then say the bible promotes incest?

Remember the bible also says an eye-for-an-eye.... sort of in contrast with the turn-the-other-cheek teaching...

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« Reply #62 on: October 27, 2003, 01:33:49 PM »
where are the virigins??

toad you left out the stinkin virgins ;)

Martyrs for Sex and Paradise      
by Naomi Ragen (August 30, 2001)
Time after time, the families of suicide bombers are interviewed by weepy reporters from CNN and BBC to explain the noble motivation of the boys who strap on explosives and behead little babies, pregnant women, and innocents of all kinds. One thing that the reporters miss, though, is that its not nationalistic fervor, or outrage at their “persecution” that is motivating his boys, as much as the Muslim religious teaching that promises each of them unlimited free sex with virgins in paradise as a reward for spilling innocent blood.

 

Bob Simon of Sixty Minutes interviewed Mohammed Abu Wardeh, whose Arabic remarks were translated: “God would compensate the martyr for sacrificing his life for his land. If you become a martyr, God will give you 70 virgins, 70 wives and everlasting happiness.”

 

Now, Arab-Americans are claiming in outrage that this is a mistranslation. Maher Hathout, a Muslim “scholar” with the Islamic Center of Southern California wrote in the Atlanta-Constitution: “There is nothing in the Koran or in Islamic teachings about 70 virgins or sex in paradise. This is ridiculous, and any true Muslim knows that.”

 

Oh, really?

 

Sheikh Abdul Hadi Palazzi, head of the Cultural Institute of the Italian Islamic Community, and a true Islamic scholar, had this to say: “The only ridiculous thing is that someone who claims to be an ”Islamic scholar” makes public declarations which prove beyond any possible doubt that he has never read the Commentary of Ibn Kathir and “Sunan” of Imam at-Tirmidhi, which are basic books for the knowledge of Islam! Unfortunately, this attribution of chairs to ignoramuses seems to be the rule in American Islamic Centers controlled by the fundamentalist network of the Muslim Brotherhood.

 

“According to Islam there are seventy two wives for every believer who is admitted to Heaven, and not only for a martyr. The proof is a hadith which is collected by Imam at-Tirmidhi in “Sunan” (Volume IV, Chapters on “The Features of Heaven as described by the Messenger of Allah”, Chapter 21: “About the Smallest Reward for the People of Heaven”, hadith 2687) and also quoted by Ibn Kathir in his Tafsir (Koranic Commentary) of Surah Rhman (55), ayah (verse) 72:

 

“It was mentioned by Daraj Ibn Abi Hatim, that Abu al-Haytham ‘Adullah Ibn Wahb narrated from Abu Sa’id al-Khudhri, who heard the Prophet Muhammad (Allah’s blessings and peace be upon him) saying, ‘The smallest reward for the people of Heaven is an abode where there are eighty thousand servants and seventy two wives, over which stands a dome decorated with pearls, aquamarine and ruby, as wide as the distance from al-Jabiyyah to San’a.”

 

Ibn Kathir explains in “al-Bidayah wa an-Nihayah” that al-Jabiyyah is the name of a suburb of Damascus.

 

That those seventy two wives are virgin is proved by the ayah 74 of the

same Surah:” No man or jinn has ever touched them before”.

 

In conclusion, whether or not the remarks on Sixty Minutes are a mistranslation isn’t the point. The point is this:Horny Arab teenagers are being convinced the way to sex in the puritanical Arab world (where fathers routinely murder daughters who are even suspected of losing their virginity) is through hate-filled mass murders. Too bad you missed that, CNN, BBC. Takes away from the “nobility” of the “sacrifice,” huh?
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« Reply #63 on: October 27, 2003, 01:36:46 PM »
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Toad, without context, that list is nearly meaningless. We could do the same thing with the bible and it would be equally meaningless.


The Sura references are there for all of them I believe.

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9:1 A (declaration) of immunity from God and His Apostle, to those of the Pagans with whom ye have contracted mutual alliances:-  

9:2 Go ye, then, for four months, backwards and forwards, (as ye will), throughout the land, but know ye that ye cannot frustrate God (by your falsehood) but that God will cover with shame those who reject Him.  

9:3 And an announcement from God and His Apostle, to the people (assembled) on the day of the Great Pilgrimage,- that God and His Apostle dissolve (treaty) obligations with the Pagans. If then, ye repent, it were best for you; but if ye turn away, know ye that ye cannot frustrate God. And proclaim a grievous penalty to those who reject Faith.  

9:4 (But the treaties are) not dissolved with those Pagans with whom ye have entered into alliance and who have not subsequently failed you in aught, nor aided any one against you. So fulfil your engagements with them to the end of their term: for God loveth the righteous.  

9:5 But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for God is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.  

9:6 If one amongst the Pagans ask thee for asylum, grant it to him, so that he may hear the word of God; and then escort him to where he can be secure. That is because they are men without knowledge.  

9:7 How can there be a league, before God and His Apostle, with the Pagans, except those with whom ye made a treaty near the sacred Mosque? As long as these stand true to you, stand ye true to them: for God doth love the righteous.  

9:8 How (can there be such a league), seeing that if they get an advantage over you, they respect not in you the ties either of kinship or of covenant? With (fair words from) their mouths they entice you, but their hearts are averse from you; and most of them are rebellious and wicked.  



Enough context?
If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!

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« Reply #64 on: October 27, 2003, 01:40:15 PM »
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When was the last time a Jew hijacked an airplane or carried out a suicide bombing?


You're right the Jews (Israelis) don't hijack airplanes or comit suicide bombings...

They bulldoze houses of relatives of allegied PLO and Hamas members....

Not the member's houses, but their parents, brothers, uncles, sisters... etc. Guilt by association.... no due process either.

They grab land that isn't legally theirs by settling on it and building security fences around it.

They imprison people without due process... with out filing charges against them, with out giving them access to counsel.

They impoverish an entire culture and people to the point that they have no other way to fight back except to sacrifice their own lifes through suicide bombing.

They desercrate holy sites and monuments.

I don't think the Israelis are innocents here.

And I wonder why so many people have hated them, for so many thousands of years.

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« Reply #65 on: October 27, 2003, 01:41:06 PM »
While Islam is obviously the worst with terror now I think its unfair to characterize it or their vision of god and actual practice as particularly evil or agressive in comparsion to its brother relgions.

Lets not forget all the slaughters of the Bible, where god killed tens of thousands in the name of the jews.

Lets not forget the crusades.
Lets not forget the inquisition.
Lets not forget the christian witch trials and burnings.
Lets not forget the protestant/catholic wars.
Lets not forget tht fact that Israel was partially born out of jewish terror attacks.
Lets not forget that many of the holocaust guys were also christians.
Hell in croatia the ustashe were very close to the church while they killed people in camps.
Lets not forget the centuries of jewis persecution in europe.
Lets not forget that many relgios "good" christians people owned slaves in america.
Lets not forget many relgious good christians lynched blacks and murdered civil rights activists.
Lets not forget that tim McVeigh was a devoted christian and that the attack was in revenge of the branch dividian religious complex seige two years earlier on the same day.
Lets not forget the abortion killers.
Lets not forget the relgious slaughter in bosnia, where good christian serbs put thousands and thousands of muslims to death on a scale unseen since the holocaust.

Nobody is clean, all our hands are dirty with each other blood.


Allah has cursed the unbelievers and proposed for them a blazing hell. - 33:60


Finally it is widely accepted christian doctorine that one can only be saved by accepting Jesus Christ as lord. Everyone else, without, exception no matter what goes to hell to suffere in all eternity.  Nice and fuzzy huh? And how is it different than that above?
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« Reply #66 on: October 27, 2003, 01:43:38 PM »
ROFLMAO Toad.

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« Reply #67 on: October 27, 2003, 01:50:44 PM »
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You're right the Jews (Israelis) don't hijack airplanes or comit suicide bombings...

They bulldoze houses of relatives of allegied PLO and Hamas members....

Not the member's houses, but their parents, brothers, uncles, sisters... etc. Guilt by association.... no due process either.

They grab land that isn't legally theirs by settling on it and building security fences around it.

They imprison people without due process... with out filing charges against them, with out giving them access to counsel.

They impoverish an entire culture and people to the point that they have no other way to fight back except to sacrifice their own lifes through suicide bombing.

They desercrate holy sites and monuments.

I don't think the Israelis are innocents here.

And I wonder why so many people have hated them, for so many thousands of years.


You equate Jews to Israelis? What country are Muslims from then?

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« Reply #68 on: October 27, 2003, 01:52:25 PM »
Israel is a jewish state... Perhaps you have not noticed?


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« Reply #69 on: October 27, 2003, 01:52:30 PM »
Is there anyone who thhinks we would have been better off if Gore had been pres during 9/11?

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« Reply #70 on: October 27, 2003, 01:57:38 PM »
Heh, Toad, I caught the irony in my post aswell but made it anyway.

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« Reply #71 on: October 27, 2003, 01:58:06 PM »
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Israel is a jewish state... Perhaps you have not noticed?



Gunhertz... eh that's the STAR of MUHAMMAD right?

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« Reply #72 on: October 27, 2003, 02:00:06 PM »
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The christian god and the muslim god are one in the same.


Unless Muslims recognize Christ as God then you are mistaken. Most Christians believe Christ is a third part of the Trinity making up the Godhead. Not only is this not an insignificant issue, it is one of the central tenets of Christianity.

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« Reply #73 on: October 27, 2003, 02:00:41 PM »
Grunherz I've spent quite a lot time in Croatia pre- and post war. Things have changed quite a lot down there after Tito.

All I have left is to say 'Jebem ti mater' which is 'go in peace' directly translated from croatian. ;)

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« Reply #74 on: October 27, 2003, 02:01:31 PM »
Sandman that's just silly.  If it's the same God, something must be wrong, because he sure told those towelheads a bunch of different crap than what he told the rest of us.  :)