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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: crockett on June 27, 2008, 11:56:23 PM
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I can't think of a better President that deserves this hornor any more. San Francisco is thinking of giving GWB a memorial for his great service to this country. It's a memorial that anyone in the city can add too by simply taking a dump and flushing. :rofl
http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/06/25/america/bush.php
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Well, if you ask me, it is disrespect for the President of the United states. Of course that is the trend nowadays, but it is still wrong.
Les
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And to think at one time I considered myself a liberal Democrat. This is totally disrespectful. Glad I came to my senses.
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Hypothetical Question; If a President accomplishes something worthwhile, and no "journalist" bothers to report it, did it really happen?
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Given we're talking about San Fransisco, the city in California that gave us Nancy Pelosi, queen of the lowest rated and most do nothing Congress in history, I suppose that's the best they can offer in wit and wisdom. This is the type of humor you SHOULD expect from 6-8 year old little nancy boys that sit on the school bus and giggle hysterically when they say "toilet", and "doo doo". I'm not at all surprised that an intellectual dwarf would find that so humorous.
You know, honestly, I guess it is really an honor in any event. As we are once again talking about San Fransisco, the sewer treatment plant IS where their best and brightest gather....................... .............
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hmmm...San Francisco...somehow I'm not too surprised...
in many countries people doing such disrespectful things would just "vanish"
they sure would have in Iraq under Saddam or in Afghanistan under the Taliban
Bush is still our elected president. You are free to disagree with him but IMO a bit of respect is still due.
Joker
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Respect is due until the president proves otherwise. He's proved otherwise.
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The title of the article says sewage treatment, but the body of the article says water treatment. Sewage treatment= wastewater treatment. Water treatment= drinking water.
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I personally think it's a little funny.
However, the liberal sense of humor will never match the conservatives.
The conservatives have named the most deadly submarine ever conceived and built after the biggest peacenik pansy President we've ever had.
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And they wonder why the rest of the country despises San Francisco.
I have a sister in law there. When she visits you should see the sparks fly. Funny thing is shes not used to conservatives that have their ducks in a row and will aim a broadside at her.
She always wants us to visit. I always send my wife and kids. I refuse to step into that cesspool of Liberal/communistic dogma. I wouldnt be surprised if all the wretched people there run around in black pajamas carrying little red books.
The only thing good that ever came out of SanFran, as far as Im concerned, has been Harry Callahan. But even he has slowed down.
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And they wonder why the rest of the country despises San Francisco.
I have a sister in law there. When she visits you should see the sparks fly. Funny thing is shes not used to conservatives that have their ducks in a row and will aim a broadside at her.
She always wants us to visit. I always send my wife and kids. I refuse to step into that cesspool of Liberal/communistic dogma. I wouldnt be surprised if all the wretched people there run around in black pajamas carrying little red books.
The only thing good that ever came out of SanFran, as far as Im concerned, has been Harry Callahan. But even he has slowed down.
Lol. I have a boss thats afraid to travel to California because he thinks its full of sinners. You remind me of him.
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" a "synchronized flush" of hundreds of thousands of toilets that would send a flood of water toward the plant, now named the Oceanside Water Pollution Control Plant.
"It's a way of doing something physical that's mentally freeing," said Stacey Reineccius, 45, a supporter of the plan. "It's a weird thing, but it's true." "
Would be awesome if somehow the plant couldn't handle the flow, and a check valve closed, causing all the waste water to 'return to sender'. :lol
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And they wonder why the rest of the country despises San Francisco.
I have a sister in law there. When she visits you should see the sparks fly. Funny thing is shes not used to conservatives that have their ducks in a row and will aim a broadside at her.
She always wants us to visit. I always send my wife and kids. I refuse to step into that cesspool of Liberal/communistic dogma. I wouldnt be surprised if all the wretched people there run around in black pajamas carrying little red books.
The only thing good that ever came out of SanFran, as far as Im concerned, has been Harry Callahan. But even he has slowed down.
LOL, you deprive yourself of new experiences and seeing new things because of what you imagine a place to be like? You lose.
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Aren't Liberals suppose to be the party of love instead of hate! I don't know how they stand to be around each other.
San Francisco is weird anyway. I think they voted to ban the military.
If you listed all the naive and stupid things liberals say it would fill a thread longer than the one on Global warming. Heck Hillary and that human gaff Obama could do it by themselves.
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LOL, you deprive yourself of new experiences and seeing new things because of what you imagine a place to be like? You lose.
So it never occurred to you my post might be 1/2 in jest did it?
Boy you west coast leftwingers are just bursting with personality.
BTW they suck for insulting the Presidency like that. Bunch of hedonistic retards that never did a thing for this country.
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So it never occurred to you my post might be 1/2 in jest did it?
Boy you leftwingers are just bursting with personality.
BTW they suck for insulting the Presidency like that. Bunch of hedonistic retards that never did a thing for this country.
What makes you think SOB is leftwing? Because he thinks Bush is a horrible president? Hell, that would make 75% of the country left wing.
Personally, I think they named the wrong thing after him. A sewage plant takes something bad and makes something good of it.
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You said the country despises it, you said you argue with your liberal SIL every time she visits, and you called it a cesspool. You're quite the jokester! Tee hee.
Remember Sandman, we're in the land where not liking Bush does equal being an "Amurkah-hating Librul".
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She always wants us to visit. I always send my wife and kids. I refuse to step into that cesspool of Liberal/communistic dogma. I wouldnt be surprised if all the wretched people there run around in black pajamas carrying little red books.
You may not be aware of this, but the disgusting reality is there are liberals EVERYWHERE. Even more scary, sometimes you can't even tell by looking at them they might be lefties. Since you are apparently frightened to be near anyone who has a different point of view, I suggest never leaving the house. If you have to venture outside for some reason, you should wear goggles, latex gloves, surgical mask and a condom .... better make it two ... just in case.
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I can't think of a better President that deserves this hornor any more. San Francisco is thinking of giving GWB a memorial for his great service to this country. It's a memorial that anyone in the city can add too by simply taking a dump and flushing. :rofl
http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/06/25/america/bush.php
Thats just pitiful. there shouldnt be a rofl in that, just dis-respectful. Alot of people dont understand that GWB has done alot more than Hillary or Obama would've done.
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You may not be aware of this, but the disgusting reality is there are liberals EVERYWHERE. Even more scary, sometimes you can't even tell by looking at them they might be lefties. Since you are apparently frightened to be near anyone who has a different point of view, I suggest never leaving the house. If you have to venture outside for some reason, you should wear goggles, latex gloves, surgical mask and a condom .... better make it two ... just in case.
Don't forget your buttplug, it's the most likely place for a liberal to try to "force entry"
Crockett... you are a muppet? That means I'm not.
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Bush is still our elected president. You are free to disagree with him but IMO a bit of respect is still due.
Joker
I don't and will never respect him, I think he's a coward. :aok
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I don't and will never respect him, I think he's a coward. :aok
Really? How?
Democrats are cowards, and they got Ted Kennedy to prove it with Vietnam, 1993 Mogadishu fighting too, Clinton had us pull out of that also.
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Really? How?
He seems scared and spoiled as a man. I get the feeling that he would run and leave a fella hanging if it got too hot for him.
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Alot of people dont understand that GWB has done alot more than Hillary or Obama would've done.
Really? Your argument is prescience?
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What a disrespect to the man and the office. Maybe you don't like Bush, but respect the man for his office.
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Thats just pitiful. there shouldnt be a rofl in that, just dis-respectful. Alot of people dont understand that GWB has done alot more than Hillary or Obama would've done.
Like starting a useless war, killing thousand of people ,spending billion of $$ in a war that benefit no one in the US ?
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Like starting a useless war, killing thousand of people ,spending billion of $$ in a war that benefit no one in the US ?
I think time will prove you wrong on that and it may not take as long as some would like.
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For those of you playing Bush Bash Bingo on the PM's, this thread does NOT count as squares due to the thread title directly linking Bush to the thread.
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I get the feeling that he would run and leave a fella hanging if it got too hot for him.
Things are already getting a bit hot for him. They've been like that since the day he was elected.
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For those of you playing Bush Bash Bingo on the PM's, this thread does NOT count as squares due to the thread title directly linking Bush to the thread.
Metagaming. Man you guys are nerds. ;)
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Well, if you ask me, it is disrespect for the President of the United states. Of course that is the trend nowadays, but it is still wrong.
Les
Look...I have seen presidents come & go that I was not a fan of, but what they are doing is totally disrespectful of the office; much less the man.
While it doesn't surprise me that this location thinks that it's funny to do so, just remember who REPRESENTS THEM: Nancy Pelosi.
I went to the website of the Mayor of San Francisco and complained http://www.sfgov.org/site/mayor_index.asp?id=22018 (http://www.sfgov.org/site/mayor_index.asp?id=22018)
I let them know that my planned week long anniversary trip to SF is now cancelled and that we are going elsewhere. I also said that I am emailing everyone I know and informing them of the disrespect and advising them to boycott the city as well.
Here in Hot Springs there are large brown & white signs at every city limits that say "Hot Springs Boyhood Home Of President Bill Clinton". Believe me, there are some folks here who aren't big fans of President Clinton--yet not one single sign has grafitti on it. That's old fashioned respect for the office.
I no longer buy California wine, I buy Arkansas wine. It's just as good. Arkansas & Missouri provided seeds & plants to France in the 1800's after France's crop had huge failures. Many French wines have their roots/seeds originate in Arkansas & Missouri. Most people don't even know.
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Like starting a useless war, killing thousand of people ,spending billion of $$ in a war that benefit no one in the US ?
I did have an excellent reply to this post. It would have been truthful and accurate. It might even have opened the eyes of the brainwashed...
But someone would go ballin' red to the mods and complain and I'd get PNG'ed again.
Guys like this get carte blanche---we get muzzled and banned.
ROX
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Like starting a useless war, killing thousand of people ,spending billion of $$ in a war that benefit no one in the US ?
Really? We spend more on WELFARE than on the war in Iraq or the war in Afghanistan. Al Queda is pretty much gone in Iraq and we've set up the first muslim democracy in hundreds of years and if-not ever. Most soldiers who are in Iraq do 2nd, 3rd, 4th tours voluntarily, would you like to have Suddam Hussein in control of our oil supplies?
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Al Queda is pretty much gone in Iraq and we've set up the first muslim democracy in hundreds of years and if-not ever.
It's less gone than it was before the war and Al Queda and the Taliban are getting stronger again in Afghanistan and Pakistan.
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Really? We spend more on WELFARE than on the war in Iraq or the war in Afghanistan. Al Queda is pretty much gone in Iraq and we've set up the first muslim democracy in hundreds of years and if-not ever. Most soldiers who are in Iraq do 2nd, 3rd, 4th tours voluntarily, would you like to have Suddam Hussein in control of our oil supplies?
Haha yeah right. Ever heard of Stop Gap?
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if your going to sann frann siscooo, be sure to wear some flowers in your hair.
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wow, just wow...
He must be the most hated president of the early 21st century.
We adapted pretty well during his 8 year tenure.
It must be the haters who can't adopt to the situation well.
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wow, just wow...
He must be the most hated president of the early 21st century.
We adapted pretty well during his 8 year tenure.
It must be the haters who can't adopt to the situation well.
Not really, I'm sure Clinton had more dis-approval. Congress has an approval rating of 9% and GWB has one of about 30% so he's still doing something right over all the others. And if he was such an awful guy in his 8 years of presidency, then he should've only been president 4 years.
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I disagree completely with the initiative and was even on the verge of sending an angry email to the mayor of that city to let my feelings be known.
But you know what?
This is America, like it or not these drunken idiots have the right to do what they are doing and are protected by the first amendment of the constitution which states in essence "that Congress shall make no law . . . abridging the freedom of "speech."
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Not really, I'm sure Clinton had more dis-approval. Congress has an approval rating of 9% and GWB has one of about 30% so he's still doing something right over all the others. And if he was such an awful guy in his 8 years of presidency, then he should've only been president 4 years.
Clinton left office with an approval rating of 68%.
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(quote) What a disrespect to the man and the office. Maybe you don't like Bush, but respect the man for his office. (unquote)
Absolutely correct, avionix. With this stunt San Francisco disgraces itself.
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Maybe SF will get really ticked off with GWB, and then secede from the union.
If they should, would anyone else miss them?
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How exactly would a city go about seceding from the Union?
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I think they already have.
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I never ever give Bush haters any credit. You have to remember they started this campaign on day 1. You ask them why they hated bush and they say, "I just hate him".
Frankly, Bush is not my favorite president. Too me liberals should love this guy. He grew government, added new entitlements, and a host of other stupid things.
Still though, there is no call for what SF has done. That is pure lunacy.
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And to think at one time I considered myself a liberal Democrat.....
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LOL, you deprive yourself of new experiences and seeing new things because of what you imagine a place to be like? You lose.
Does that mean, SOB , that you will "deprive yourself of new experiences and seeing new things" by not droppimg by and muck diving into my septic tank? Because you imagine what it must be like?
S.F. is the anus of the western world.
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you know i have to add my $.02
personally i don't know the man, so i cant say one way or the other what kind of person he is, i do know that the presidency of this country lost respect a long time ago, you have to earn respect not just get it because of some "office" president or not. this country is run by and for money, im sorry but when money is more important than human life, thats an issue, actually im not sorry, what saddens me is the fact that so many people agree with this concept, i just cant understand it.
and for the one that said we spend more on welfare than the war, :lol :lol :lol :lol
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and for the one that said we spend more on welfare than the war, :lol :lol :lol :lol
I didn't believe it either, but he might be right.
http://www.usgovernmentspending.com
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I didn't believe it either, but he might be right.
http://www.usgovernmentspending.com
i checked out that site, from what i saw, i would put defense and protection in the same category, and since defense is already above welfare by some 300 billion,add the 300 more billion from "protection" we are over twice the amount spent on welfare!
so it seems he is wrong.
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i checked out that site, from what i saw, i would put defense and protection in the same category, and since defense is already above welfare by some 300 billion,add the 300 more billion from "protection" we are over twice the amount spent on welfare!
so it seems he is wrong.
That site shows all of DoD. There is far more to the Dept. of Defense than the troops on the field. There is all of the admin at home, there are the acquisition programs, test facilities, research, etc.
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Does that mean, SOB , that you will "deprive yourself of new experiences and seeing new things" by not droppimg by and muck diving into my septic tank? Because you imagine what it must be like?
S.F. is the anus of the western world.
That's quite an analogy you're trying to make work there. Keep trying.
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I don't and will never respect him, I think he's a coward. :aok
And if thats how you feel. Fine.
But respect is still due to the office he holds.
Bush isnt a favorite of mine either.
I voted for him but I didnt then nor do I now particularly like him.
But not all that is wrong is Bush either.
How many good initiatives never made it off the ground because the other side didnt want to give him a political victory.
and thats what our government has devolved into. Two groups not interested in the good of the country. But only in the good of the party.
Dont know if anyone else notice it and I wish I could find a news clip of it.
But prior to conceeding the race to Obama
I heard Hillary say it best out of her own mouth.
and I quote EXACTLY
"Ive always considered myself a Democrat first. And an American second."
I know thats what she said because I watched the same damn channel (CNN) for the rest of the night to wait for the rebroadcast of it just to make sure I heard it correctly.
But that quote speaks volumes
Politicians are party members first and Americans second.
Bush gets most fo the blame. But not everything is the fault of Bush.
ALOT has to do with members of the government being party members first and Americans second.
Buth sides do it.
Seems to me it should be the other way around
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you know i have to add my $.02
personally i don't know the man, so i cant say one way or the other what kind of person he is, i do know that the presidency of this country lost respect a long time ago, you have to earn respect not just get it because of some "office" president or not. this country is run by and for money, I'm sorry but when money is more important than human life, thats an issue, actually im not sorry, what saddens me is the fact that so many people agree with this concept, i just cant understand it.
and for the one that said we spend more on welfare than the war, :lol :lol :lol :lol
I didn't believe it either, but he might be right.
http://www.usgovernmentspending.com
Throughout history. Show me a time when money wasn't more important then human life.
People and governments have always been willing to trade human life for money.
Even in the last few hundred years had everything from the slave trade. to wars being fought over trade routes.
All with the blessing of Countries governments and their people.
Keep watching gas prices go ever hire and you will watch the argument of "No blood for oil." Screams all but disappear.
A some point it wont seem like such a bad idea.
Sandman. He's not right.
Its how those numbers are presented that makes him look right
They break up Welfare and Healthcare.
If you've spent any time looking at welfare recipients. Its obvious they also don't pay for their own healthcare
While healthcaremay not not technically part or welfare. It certainly is a part of it in essence.
So. Lets look as these numbers a little more honestly shall we
Using the federal numbers alone
Health Care 680.8
Welfare 271.4
= 951.48
Vs.
Defense 729.7
(and for chuckles we'll also toss in)
Protection 46.2
= 775.9
Now.
you were saying?
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:D
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Naming the sewage plant after Dubya seems appropriate considering what he has accomplished.
More appropriate than the "think tank" they are naming after him at SMU.
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Throughout history. Show me a time when money wasn't more important then human life.
People and governments have always been willing to trade human life for money.
Even in the last few hundred years had everything from the slave trade. to wars being fought over trade routes.
All with the blessing of Countries governments and their people.
Keep watching gas prices go ever hire and you will watch the argument of "No blood for oil." Screams all but disappear.
A some point it wont seem like such a bad idea.
Sandman. He's not right.
Its how those numbers are presented that makes him look right
They break up Welfare and Healthcare.
If you've spent any time looking at welfare recipients. Its obvious they also don't pay for their own healthcare
While healthcaremay not not technically part or welfare. It certainly is a part of it in essence.
So. Lets look as these numbers a little more honestly shall we
Using the federal numbers alone
Health Care 680.8
Welfare 271.4
= 951.48
Vs.
Defense 729.7
(and for chuckles we'll also toss in)
Protection 46.2
= 775.9
Now.
you were saying?
sorry but health care should not be included in welfare :P
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I did have an excellent reply to this post. It would have been truthful and accurate. It might even have opened the eyes of the brainwashed...
But someone would go ballin' red to the mods and complain and I'd get PNG'ed again.
Guys like this get carte blanche---we get muzzled and banned.
ROX
Cry me a river , each of your post in the bbs show you need to learn critical thinking.
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And some show you don't even know what you are speaking about :
Arkansas & Missouri provided seeds & plants to France in the 1800's after France's crop had huge failures.
The crop had no failure just a new predator : Phylloxera
Predator coming from America.
Many French wines have their roots/seeds originate in Arkansas & Missouri. Most people don't even know.
Right,but with grafting an average wine root coming from Arkansas produce real wine.
Without ... well it just Arkansas wine
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I know what you mean Straffo. There are a lot of people on these boards who can't seem to carry on a debate without their "google" crutch.
It's a shame really.
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you know i have to add my $.02
personally i don't know the man, so i cant say one way or the other what kind of person he is, i do know that the presidency of this country lost respect a long time ago, you have to earn respect not just get it because of some "office" president or not. this country is run by and for money, im sorry but when money is more important than human life, thats an issue, actually im not sorry, what saddens me is the fact that so many people agree with this concept, i just cant understand it.
and for the one that said we spend more on welfare than the war, :lol :lol :lol :lol
You're right. You'll never understand why, but you are right.
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Stop thinking in terms of the program defined as "Welfare" and think in terms of programs that further the "welfare of the people" and you'll find that you're closer to understanding the discussion.
Such social programs include Welfare, Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, etc. Taken as an aggregate, the governments spends FAR more on those than on the military. Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security are the fastest growing programs in the federal budget. Attempts to raise taxes in order to keep them solvent may well break the budget, and in the not too distant future. They are permanent, and growing at a frightening pace.
The expenses of the war, however, are temporary, and will begin to wind down during the next couple of years, if current trends continue.
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Ant to think I thought this one was gonna die right off the bat. A 5 pager, I'm getting better.. :devil
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George W. Bush, Not worth comment.
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Bush has routinely looked like a monkey loving a football.
Bush has often been a monkey loving a football.
However, he did appoint Roberts and Alito to the SC. In this particular case, those two Attaboys completely outweigh and over shadow his Awshirts.
Thus he remains the far, far, FAR, FAR better choice than either Gore or Kerry, the other two clowns that might have held the job during this same time period.
Had either Gore or Kerry made those SC appointments, the Heller case would have gone the other way. Heller was a landmark ruling; one of those that makes an incredible statement for liberty.
For this alone, Bush gets a pass. I am thankful that the Democrats were unable to field a candidate that could beat this monkey loving a football......... twice.
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Bush has routinely looked like a monkey loving a football.
Bush has often been a monkey loving a football.
However, he did appoint Roberts and Alito to the SC. In this particular case, those two Attaboys completely outweigh and over shadow his Awshirts.
Thus he remains the far, far, FAR, FAR better choice than either Gore or Kerry, the other two clowns that might have held the job during this same time period.
Had either Gore or Kerry made those SC appointments, the Heller case would have gone the other way. Heller was a landmark ruling; one of those that makes an incredible statement for liberty.
For this alone, Bush gets a pass. I am thankful that the Democrats were unable to field a candidate that could beat this monkey loving a football......... twice.
So your saying that , for the sake of owning a handgun in DC, and 2 other citys that this ruleing will effect the deaths of over 4000 service men and women, the ruin of our economy, the loss of statis in the world, the abuse of power, the lies the scandles, the overall degradeing of individual civil libertys, the bungled war on terror, bankrupting the nation, the list goes on and on, not to mention the general disfunction of our federal government, makes it all worth it?
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Nope, I'm saying that in the long term having two Justices that understand the Constitution as written outweigh the negatives of his Presidency. All those things you mention will pass; the Constitution endures.
Had Gore or Kerry appointed two more inventors to the court, the Constitution and our freedom would not endure. Appointments made by those two could eventually have led to the 2nd American Civil War, another thing that far outweighs the totality of items on your laundry list.
BTW, much of your list was accomplished with the complicity of the Democratic party members, the Patriot Act and it's renewal as a good example.
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It's only going to be for sure with hindsight, but while the war was a temporary (albeit relatively long) problem, flushing the 2nd amendment down the toilet is a guaranteed and probably permanent bad news for the whole country.. That's not meant to downplay the consequences of Iraq II either.
nm, see above..
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So your saying that , for the sake of owning a handgun in DC, and 2 other citys that this ruleing will effect the deaths of over 4000 service men and women, the ruin of our economy, the loss of statis in the world, the abuse of power, the lies the scandles, the overall degradeing of individual civil libertys, the bungled war on terror, bankrupting the nation, the list goes on and on, not to mention the general disfunction of our federal government, makes it all worth it?
Our economy is NOT ruined. For all the bleating of the sheep we call journalists, we are NOT in a recession, a recession is defined as two consecutive months of negative growth, we have not even had ONE month of negative growth, despite the overwhelming effect the cost of oil has on the economy.
We are not bankrupt, and besides, the most Bush could have done on much of the spending, voted on by Congress, is veto some of it.
We have not lost status in the world, regardless of the same bleaters. Europe is actually working with the U.S. on several issues, including Iran.
Bush is no more responsible for the dysfunction of the Federal government than any other recent President.
I have not had my civil liberties degraded, and in fact, thanks to George Bush, my civil liberties were DEFENDED last Thursday.
The vast majority of Congress AGREED with George Bush on invading Iraq, they just lack the guts to admit it. The policy of Regime change in Iraq was established BEFORE Bush took office. Speaking of a lack of guts, The great Democrat leaders of the most unpopular Congress in history (more unpopular than Bush) don't have the guts to admit the Bush policy of a troop surge in Iraq worked, nor does the media, but the proof is there to see.
The "scandals" are for the most part are fabricated, for example the "scandal" over the firing of Federal attorneys, since Bush fired a few, and Clinton FIRED NEARLY ALL OF THEM. Or the Valarie Plame "scandal", which they desperately trying to revive. I could go on.
While the war on terror has not gone as well as we'd like, no further attacks have been carried out here, and we have no idea how many have been averted. As with ANY war, there have been setbacks, that is to be expected.
I'm not a huge fan of Bush, but he compares VERY favorably to those who have been presented as an alternative.
Who are you going to hate with such fervor next year, after Bush is out of office? :rolleyes:
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Nope, I'm saying that in the long term having two Justices that understand the Constitution as written outweigh the negatives of his Presidency. All those things you mention will pass; the Constitution endures.
Had Gore or Kerry appointed two more inventors to the court, the Constitution and our freedom would not endure. Appointments made by those two could eventually have led to the 2nd American Civil War, another thing that far outweighs the totality of items on your laundry list.
BTW, much of your list was accomplished with the complicity of the Democratic party members, the Patriot Act and it's renewal as a good example.
trust me when i tell you I'm no fan of republicans or democrats, this 2nd amendment ruleing is really a nonruling basically stateing only that the 2nd amendment refers to individual rights not just those of well formed militia, I agree, thanks for the clarification, changes very little tho as this was the popular assumtion except in litrally a few citys, it will change nothing in places like here in NJ or accross the country as a whole.
The patriot act on the other hand is a ducument which forgoes the constitution and the supreme ct intirely, you can be relieved of your guns at anytime without warrent, as an individual or militia. This act, tho approved and reapproved by both Dem's and Republican congress's was A republican George W Bush idea. And this more so then any other institution, act , supreme ct ruleing or law, could lead to civil unrest, a civil war in the US will not occur until people become desperate enough they follow someone with what seems a better solution for their situation. Unlikely even at a stretch due to either the 2nd amendment or patriot act.
However, at a stretch, and I do love to go to the stretch, lol.
When gas is $12 a gallon, inflation is double diget on a monthly basis, unemployment is rampent and you can no longer be assured of future that is prosperous and safe here in the US, we are at war in several places around the world and there is no solution, and you feel as tho the government has been less then truthful with you, someone may come along and give you an oppurtunity to take back what you feel has been taken from you. Then civil war becomes a possibility. These events, may have been put in motion by George W Bush, his policys and lack there of.
So by the same "civil War' stretch you take with the 2nd amendment, I can throw it back to you in the form of "George started it".
lol, altho niether is likely.
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agree, thanks for the clarification, changes very little tho as this was the popular assumtion except in litrally a few citys, it will change nothing in places like here in NJ or accross the country as a whole.
Actually, it changes the entire ball game. As the Revolution started with a little skirmish, this is the opening shot in a long campaign. This was a necessary first step in the process of incorporating the 2nd Amendment. Incorporation is HUGE. It will take a long time but this ruling will be a key factor in the eventual incorporation.
This act, tho approved and reapproved by both Dem's and Republican congress's was A republican George W Bush idea.
Key is that is had and continues to have Democratic support; tough to blame Bush since it couldn't have passed without the Dems support.
When gas is $12 a gallon, inflation is double diget on a monthly basis, unemployment is rampent and you can no longer be assured of future that is prosperous and safe here in the US,
Not to worry, the Messiah Obama will have his hand on the tiller than. Nothing can possibly go wrong.
we are at war in several places around the world and there is no solution,
Unfortunately for your argument, current events do not support your supposition here.
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Our economy is NOT ruined. For all the bleating of the sheep we call journalists, we are NOT in a recession, a recession is defined as two consecutive months of negative growth, we have not even had ONE month of negative growth, despite the overwhelming effect the cost of oil has on the economy.
We are not bankrupt, and besides, the most Bush could have done on much of the spending, voted on by Congress, is veto some of it.
We have not lost status in the world, regardless of the same bleaters. Europe is actually working with the U.S. on several issues, including Iran.
Bush is no more responsible for the dysfunction of the Federal government than any other recent President.
I have not had my civil liberties degraded, and in fact, thanks to George Bush, my civil liberties were DEFENDED last Thursday.
The vast majority of Congress AGREED with George Bush on invading Iraq, they just lack the guts to admit it. The policy of Regime change in Iraq was established BEFORE Bush took office. Speaking of a lack of guts, The great Democrat leaders of the most unpopular Congress in history (more unpopular than Bush) don't have the guts to admit the Bush policy of a troop surge in Iraq worked, nor does the media, but the proof is there to see.
The "scandals" are for the most part are fabricated, for example the "scandal" over the firing of Federal attorneys, since Bush fired a few, and Clinton FIRED NEARLY ALL OF THEM. Or the Valarie Plame "scandal", which they desperately trying to revive. I could go on.
While the war on terror has not gone as well as we'd like, no further attacks have been carried out here, and we have no idea how many have been averted. As with ANY war, there have been setbacks, that is to be expected.
I'm not a huge fan of Bush, but he compares VERY favorably to those who have been presented as an alternative.
Who are you going to hate with such fervor next year, after Bush is out of office? :rolleyes:
WOW, pull your head out for a bit of air, LOL. put the GOP card away for a bit. Let me know what drug it is your on so that I too can see only what I'd like too.
WOW, where do i begin, this could go on for a long time, not sure i want to dedicate my day to converting your opinion which has no chance anyway.
your last question first, who will i hate, George has done enough damage to fuel my hate of him for years and years after he is gone. no problems there.
Congress and the American people were flat out "LIED" to by this president, on going into Iraq, George Bush in and of himself has bankrupted the US government by borrowing from the federal reserve the money to promote this war in Iraq, and by spending the 3 trillion dollar surplus the US had when he became president, he is a fool, idiot and a lier, he should be hanged.
I am not a republican or a democrat, they are equally responcible for the mess this country finds itself in, which by the way you have yet to feel the full force of. As far as recession goes, that depends who you ask, which if you'll take note, i didn't, the fact is our economic state has no clear definition as yet, this is something new, which is why it's one, worse then appears, and two has no solution as yet. It will get much worse and may lead to the colapse of the world economy.
I'm sure there is no way you and I will ever agree on this, time will tell, you like him, I hate him, Think it's safe to say I'm in good company.
But your a good dude, and we won't convince each other, I just don't want there to be hard feelings over this, I love a good argument. or any argument for that matter. :salute
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I'm sure there is no way you and I will ever agree on this, time will tell, you like him, I hate him, Think it's safe to say I'm in good company.
Hate is such an ugly thing.
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WOW, pull your head out for a bit of air, LOL. put the GOP card away for a bit. Let me know what drug it is your on so that I too can see only what I'd like too.
WOW, where do i begin, this could go on for a long time, not sure i want to dedicate my day to converting your opinion which has no chance anyway.
your last question first, who will i hate, George has done enough damage to fuel my hate of him for years and years after he is gone. no problems there.
Congress and the American people were flat out "LIED" to by this president, on going into Iraq, George Bush in and of himself has bankrupted the US government by borrowing from the federal reserve the money to promote this war in Iraq, and by spending the 3 trillion dollar surplus the US had when he became president, he is a fool, idiot and a lier, he should be hanged.
I am not a republican or a democrat, they are equally responcible for the mess this country finds itself in, which by the way you have yet to feel the full force of. As far as recession goes, that depends who you ask, which if you'll take note, i didn't, the fact is our economic state has no clear definition as yet, this is something new, which is why it's one, worse then appears, and two has no solution as yet. It will get much worse and may lead to the colapse of the world economy.
I'm sure there is no way you and I will ever agree on this, time will tell, you like him, I hate him, Think it's safe to say I'm in good company.
But your a good dude, and we won't convince each other, I just don't want there to be hard feelings over this, I love a good argument. or any argument for that matter. :salute
First off, my head is right where it belongs. Do NOT make statements like that and then tell me you do not want hard feelings. Do NOT "salute" me AFTER making a statement like that.
For someone who likes a good argument, you lack a grasp on facts and methods of arguing. That in itself renders you incapable of offering a good argument. Further, you fail at spelling AND grammar, making your argument even harder to read, never mind give any credence to.
I do not take drugs, save the rare aspirin taken for headaches acquired from suffering fools. The hate you're washing down with the kool-aid clouds your vision so badly that you do not rate another detailed response.
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The hate you're washing down with the kool-aid clouds your vision so badly
Just one reason why Hate is such an ugly thing.
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Totally off topic here....but I just gotta say, good to see you posting again Sandman. :)
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Further, you fail at spelling AND grammar, making your argument even harder to read, never mind give any credence to.
I'm not sure why you bother to read his posts. After reading one post and nearly getting a headache over all the misspelling and poor grammar, I wrote him off as just another uneducated blowhard. Certainly, you can't actually take him seriously. With his 3rd grade education, how much different could it be than arguing with a 3rd grader?
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You're right. You'll never understand why, but you are right.
I know im right,and fully understand why. unlike many on here I do not delude myself into thinking my "government" has my best interest in mind.
I do not Hate GWB(by any means), he is a pawn in a much bigger game here, there is only one that i HATE, and he is the one that is the cause of all that is wrong.
and if you can guess who that is, you may have a chance at understanding.
ill give you one clue, he is called "the son of perdition"
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The patriot act on the other hand is a ducument which forgoes the constitution and the supreme ct intirely, you can be relieved of your guns at anytime without warrent, as an individual or militia.
What part of the act does that?
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Public apology here to shuckins and a private PM apology sent as well.
ROX
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Totally off topic here....but I just gotta say, good to see you posting again Sandman. :)
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Rox...check your message box please.
Regards, Shuckins
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sorry but health care should not be included in welfare :P
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people on Welfare dont pay for healthcare. its the same.
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Who are you going to hate with such fervor next year, after Bush is out of office? :rolleyes:
Well I know that if it's McCain, the media is going to treat him like GWB for 4 years, if it's Obama, they're gonna treat him like a Saint. :rolleyes:
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people on Welfare dont pay for healthcare. its the same.
Gosh guys, a 15 year old kid just made more sense that most on this forum.
Well said Angelsandair! I think you must go to a great school and have excellent parents.
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still no answer to who the "son of perdition" is?
ANGELSANDAIR
ill give ya that people on welfare don't pay there health care, but i think to put Social Security, in the same class as welfare is wrong.
but whatever thats not really the point anyway.
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I think you must go to a great school and have excellent parents.
Actually, I go to the one of the worst schools in Texas for drug/violence problems so I've seen this stuff first hand. In some of my classes, the kids will talk about how awesome it is to be on welfare and get paid for never working and getting free healthcare. I've been around it and my dad grew up around it too. My mom grew up IN it. :aok
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Cry me a river , each of your post in the bbs show you need to learn critical thinking.
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And some show you don't even know what you are speaking about :
The crop had no failure just a new predator : Phylloxera
Predator coming from America.
Right,but with grafting an average wine root coming from Arkansas produce real wine.
Without ... well it just Arkansas wine
Thank you very much for your arrogance :aok
The crop had no failure, just a new predator? Nice Wiki search...we all know Phylloxera is in everyones every day vocabulary. Same wiki says exactly what I originally said, the French vineyards suffered greatly. Not know what I am talking about? Same wiki you quote says "North America". Last I looked Quebec was in North America. It might be a good idea if you have to google something that you at least quote it right. Try "copy & paste" next time. Nice try...but FAIL.
The last two sentences make absolutely no sense in English. You might want to make a second stab on those. If you are going to be condescending, you might as well get it right linguistically.
Either way (regardless of where he gets his information), it's true, Arkansas & Missouri vineyards did help European growers after their bad years. It's common knowledge around here and I was surprised when those facts were included on a History Channel series called "The States", much less in a wiki. I thought it was just local information.
After 60 years of only growing grapes as a "side", Arkansas & Missouri vineyards are thriving. The wineries around here are becoming real tourist magnets. It's definitely on par with California wines. Domestic wines have had a real boom since the boycott started.
Some of the service folks I talk to say the word on the streets in Iraq is that they appreciate being liberated from an extreme dictator. I cannot be more proud of our American (as well as Allied) service folks. Each American volunteered to am man (and woman) for this service. If they didn't believe in it, they would not have volunteered. I am also proud of the Iraqis who volunteer to step up and be of service to their own fellow citizens.
This wasn't the first time the US sent troops into harms way (and lost many of our servicemen's lives) to liberate a country from a ruthless army under the command of a blood thirsty dictator when the US people had no direct good out of it---we have done it more times than we've wanted to since June 6, 1944.
Back on topic...it's always been a matter of respect for the office of president by Americans out of good manners. We might not like the man after his term(s), but there is still given a matter of respect...which is why former presidents are still referred to as "Mr. President" when being referred to in person.
When President Clinton came back to Hot Springs to visit his seriously ill stepfather, he thanked the nurses who were tending to him (including my wife). Each of them referred to him as "Mr. President" when speaking to him. None of them probably voted for him, but were respectful and showed good manners.
It's the same good manners & respect why you do not see people coming on these forums and making up lies and being disrespectful about your leaders.
ROX
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Back on topic...it's always been a matter of respect for the office of president by Americans out of good manners. We might not like the man after his term(s), but there is still given a matter of respect...which is why former presidents are still referred to as "Mr. President" when being referred to in person.
When I watch MSNBC, or any of the mainstream media for that matter, refer to President Bush as "Mr. Bush" or just "Bush" I stop watching immediately because I know I'm in for a tooling. It happens alot. Just watch that blowhard olbermann for a clue...he makes O'Reilly look like a stand up guy.
President Clinton deserves the same respect as any President. He did many things as President worthy of thanks (albeit signing the assault weapons ban ruined his lot with me), but his personal choices as a man ruined his legacy, imo. Even a President Obama, as much as I regret the possibility, will always have my respect as my President.
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still no answer to who the "son of perdition" is?
ANGELSANDAIR
ill give ya that people on welfare don't pay there health care, but i think to put Social Security, in the same class as welfare is wrong.
but whatever thats not really the point anyway.
Hmm how about a drug addict that burnt out his liver and kidneys and is now permanently disabled and collecting SS and medicare/medicaid?
Smells like welfare to me.
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And they wonder why the rest of the country despises San Francisco.
I have a sister in law there. When she visits you should see the sparks fly. Funny thing is shes not used to conservatives that have their ducks in a row and will aim a broadside at her.
She always wants us to visit. I always send my wife and kids. I refuse to step into that cesspool of Liberal/communistic dogma. I wouldnt be surprised if all the wretched people there run around in black pajamas carrying little red books.
SNIP ....
McClatchy newspapers guardian.co.uk, Friday May 16, 2008 Article historyThe California Senate yesterday passed legislation that would delete membership in the Communist party as a reason for firing a public employee, a Cold War-era prohibition intended to root out communists.
Democratic Senator Alan Lowenthal called communism a "failed system," and said his bill - Senate Bill 1322 - was intended to protect "the constitutional freedoms that we have fought so valiantly for," including freedom of political affiliation.
California is the only state that allows public employees to be dismissed for membership in a political party.
In addition, current law requires that any organisation that applies to use a public school facility can be asked to sign a statement that "the applicant is not a communist action organisation or a communist front".
"SB 1322 seeks to protect the rights of free speech and political affiliation by repealing the no-longer necessary statute from the books," Lowenthal said.
The bill, he said, would "still allow employees to be fired for any activity to overthrow the state or federal government".
The legislation, which will now be considered by the assembly, was approved on a 24-15 vote, with Democrats in support and Republicans opposed.
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sorry but health care should not be included in welfare :P
LOL you've obviously never spent much time in or near an emergency room.
It absolutely should be included
You think Welfare recipients don't seek medical help when they are sick?
Think again.
75% of the time they go to the emergency room for everything from a hangnail to the sniffles.
Think they pay for health care out of their own pockets?
If they need government help just to buy food and pay the rent. What makes you think they pay for doctors out of their own pockets?
Outside of the money hospitals waste on stupid things they don't need.
the two largest financial probs hospitals have is
Collecting money from insurance companies
Recouping money lost for treating low income individuals who treat hospitals emergency rooms as their own person doctors office
typically they show up there for everything but an emergency.
And where do you think they recoup the money from?
Your good ol government.
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So your saying that , for the sake of owning a handgun in DC, and 2 other citys that this ruleing will effect the deaths of over 4000 service men and women, the ruin of our economy, the loss of statis in the world, the abuse of power, the lies the scandles, the overall degradeing of individual civil libertys, the bungled war on terror, bankrupting the nation, the list goes on and on, not to mention the general disfunction of our federal government, makes it all worth it?
Other then 4000 service men lost and the bungled war on terrorism.
You just described our last 3 presidents.
But do tell me please how Bush. or any president ruins our economy.
What exactly did Bush do to ruin our economy?
The economy does what the economy does regardless of who is in office.
Now a president my insert policies to try to stimulate the economy
But in reality the economy does whatever the economy wants to do
Do you think that if the president. ANY president had any kind of real control over our economy that we would ever have a bad one?
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Alot of people here are saying what sounds like Katrina. How it's completely Bush's fault when it was the Mayor of N.O. and Governer of Lousiana, when something that large and costly had never happened before in American History, it's Bush's fault. HE didn't get the people out of N.O. in time, he didn't send enough relief when the relief donated by people was tons and tons of money, it's always his fault..... :rolleyes:
I bet you all suppose 9/11 was his fault too?
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LOL you've obviously never spent much time in or near an emergency room.
It absolutely should be included
You think Welfare recipients don't seek medical help when they are sick?
Think again.
75% of the time they go to the emergency room for everything from a hangnail to the sniffles.
Think they pay for health care out of their own pockets?
If they need government help just to buy food and pay the rent. What makes you think they pay for doctors out of their own pockets?
Outside of the money hospitals waste on stupid things they don't need.
the two largest financial probs hospitals have is
Collecting money from insurance companies
Recouping money lost for treating low income individuals who treat hospitals emergency rooms as their own person doctors office
typically they show up there for everything but an emergency.
And where do you think they recoup the money from?
Your good ol government.
nope i dont often go to the emergency room, one time my four foot alligator, almost ripped off my finger, it was quit bad, but i still refused to go to hospital, took care of it my self,
on the other note i concede.
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Alot of people here are saying what sounds like Katrina. How it's completely Bush's fault when it was the Mayor of N.O. and Governer of Lousiana, when something that large and costly had never happened before in American History, it's Bush's fault. HE didn't get the people out of N.O. in time, he didn't send enough relief when the relief donated by people was tons and tons of money, it's always his fault..... :rolleyes:
I bet you all suppose 9/11 was his fault too?
So you think Brownie did a fantastic job, huh? Say, while you are grabbing facts out of thin air your... uh, thin air, you might want to consult the interweb and look up a few facts.
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So you think Brownie did a fantastic job, huh? Say, while you are grabbing facts out of thin air your... uh, thin air, you might want to consult the interweb and look up a few facts.
Not my fault that's what I see on NBC nor CNN.
Thats what they give me. I dont think Bush did a fantastic job, but he did a hell of a lot better than Kerry or Gore woulda done. Look at Al Gore, he scams people with Carbon Credits and Ethanol.
John Kerry is an idiot who is a "war hero" who would never say "yes" or "no" when asked a question. I'd like you to imagine Kerry or Gore as president.
Bush did hell of alot better than either of them. The economy isn't controlled by the president. He doesn't even control taxes which could control it. We never were in recession, and the economy is growing again...
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Not my fault that's what I see on NBC nor CNN.
Thats what they give me. I dont think Bush did a fantastic job, but he did a hell of a lot better than Kerry or Gore woulda done. Look at Al Gore, he scams people with Carbon Credits and Ethanol.
John Kerry is an idiot who is a "war hero" who would never say "yes" or "no" when asked a question. I'd like you to imagine Kerry or Gore as president.
Bush did hell of alot better than either of them. The economy isn't controlled by the president. He doesn't even control taxes which could control it. We never were in recession, and the economy is growing again...
You should probably ease up on the koolaid. In another couple of decades, someone might mistake you for a zealot.
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We all know what Bush bashing is about...politics. The president has limited power <in the context of the blame game>, mentioning him alone can't be taken seriously. Common sense comes into play here. But he's the president so he takes the heat. There is no way President Bush is the only one responsible for what goes on, good or bad. He certainly does not "run" the country. I believe we all have a part in that.
Back to the original topic. You and I are welcome to our opinions. For a city council to engage in overt disrespect for the office of the president says much more about them than it does about the president. There is really no debating point concerning such unprofessional tactics.
Les
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I can't think of a better President that deserves this hornor any more. San Francisco is thinking of giving GWB a memorial for his great service to this country. It's a memorial that anyone in the city can add too by simply taking a dump and flushing. :rofl
http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/06/25/america/bush.php
Brilliant!!!
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Respect is due until the president proves otherwise. He's proved otherwise.
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Guys like this get carte blanche---we get muzzled and banned.
Yeah it's amazing. The guys who point out easily observable facts get carte blanche. The people who verbally abuse other users get muzzled and banned. Oh Skuzzy, the humanity!!!
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Yeah it's amazing. The guys who point out easily observable facts get carte blanche. The people who verbally abuse other users get muzzled and banned. Oh Skuzzy, the humanity!!!
so, your asking for another PNG?
Well, Skuzzy will never fail to deliver.
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Alot of people here are saying what sounds like Katrina. How it's completely Bush's fault when it was the Mayor of N.O. and Governer of Lousiana, when something that large and costly had never happened before in American History, it's Bush's fault. HE didn't get the people out of N.O. in time, he didn't send enough relief when the relief donated by people was tons and tons of money, it's always his fault..... :rolleyes:
I bet you all suppose 9/11 was his fault too?
CAP had a very large presense down there. we had 2 local pilots from right here in cherry hill flew down there....they used what they had left of their vacation time to go. they flew one of our planes there to aid in evac, and moving things/people around. we had cadets there going door to door to check on people that needed help..........
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Whats next Bush's induction into Mensa?
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CAP had a very large presense down there. we had 2 local pilots from right here in cherry hill flew down there....they used what they had left of their vacation time to go. they flew one of our planes there to aid in evac, and moving things/people around. we had cadets there going door to door to check on people that needed help..........
You're missing the point, the media openly said that it was GWB's fault just to make him look bad.
2 of my good friends are from N.O. who moved here after the Hurricane hit.
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You're missing the point, the media openly said that it was GWB's fault just to make him look bad.
2 of my good friends are from N.O. who moved here after the Hurricane hit.
noo...i got the point.i was just pointing out how many volenteers went there to help. bush can make himslef look plenty bad without anyone having to point it out. it's probably the one thing he's good at :rofl
and for the record.....if i was raised in a place below sea level....and near the sea....i'd have friggin moved as soon as i could. i wouldn't move INTO a place in that situation either......that's just dumb
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Other then 4000 service men lost and the bungled war on terrorism.
You just described our last 3 presidents.
But do tell me please how Bush. or any president ruins our economy.
What exactly did Bush do to ruin our economy?
The economy does what the economy does regardless of who is in office.
Now a president my insert policies to try to stimulate the economy
But in reality the economy does whatever the economy wants to do
Do you think that if the president. ANY president had any kind of real control over our economy that we would ever have a bad one?
actually he/they can........financial connections with big companies. i think......
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