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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: earl1937 on April 21, 2014, 05:20:31 PM
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:cheers: I don't have a problem with guys who offer constructive and or informative comments on this forum, but: YOU ARE ONLY PAYING 2.2 CENTS PER HOUR, SO WHAT THE HECK ARE PEOPLE CRITIZING AH FOR BUILDING THE BEST FLIGHT SIM GAME ON THE INTERNET!
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I'd like to warn you that sleep depravation can and will kill anyone attempting to get this sort of price per hour.
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:cheers: I don't have a problem with guys who offer constructive and or informative comments on this forum, but: YOU ARE ONLY PAYING 2.2 CENTS PER HOUR, SO WHAT THE HECK ARE PEOPLE CRITIZING AH FOR BUILDING THE BEST FLIGHT SIM GAME ON THE INTERNET!
I don't feel that I am getting 200 bucks worth of entertainment per year out of this game anymore. Hopefully that will change someday soon.
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I don't feel that I am getting 200 bucks worth of entertainment per year out of this game anymore. Hopefully that will change someday soon.
That 200 bucks per year you speak of would be a bargain if it was just FSO's you got. I find great value in Aces High. I have fun every time I fly.
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I don't feel that I am getting 200 bucks worth of entertainment per year out of this game anymore. Hopefully that will change someday soon.
Opens door for Revo :bolt:
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That 200 bucks per year you speak of would be a bargain if it was just FSO's you got. I find great value in Aces High. I have fun every time I fly.
FSO isn't worth that much, it's barely worth staying up until 4-6am for. Especially when your "escorts" are scratching each other.
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I get 2.05 cents/hour (1495 cents*12 months/(8760 hours/year)).
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I don't feel that I am getting 200 bucks worth of entertainment per year out of this game anymore. Hopefully that will change someday soon.
My condolences. I am. :D
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My condolences. I am. :D
You must be easy pleased
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FSO isn't worth that much, it's barely worth staying up until 4-6am for. Especially when your "escorts" are scratching each other.
Maybe it is the squad I am in, but I would pay twice the subscription price JUST to fly the FSO's. Ok, more than twice. I'm not sure where the value threshold is for FSO's but it is up there.
I sure would like to see you bring "Eismeer" to the FSO's my friend :salute
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Opens door for Revo :bolt:
How kind of you! But I can find my own way out. I know when to abandon ship. ;)
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You must be easy pleased
Easily. Not easily. Meh. I'm pleased. I never could understand the 'quit and live on the forum to whine all the time' types. Hell, I can't even understand the whiners that just threaten to quit. :D
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Kind of wonder. Do those who shout the loudest from their town square pulpit, warning of this game's end of days. Tend to be less oriented towards joining groups in any game to find their enjoyment?
One then might venture the non-affiliated player will require more external motivation than the player who seeks to play in the company of others. And that will dictate a lower tolerance for loss of potential target numbers and lack of frequent changes to the environment for their .02 an hour or $200.00 a year. The fuse on their patience and expectations is probably shorter, right or wrong in these situations. At which point those with longer patience probably have no sympathy to such short term needs ending in conversations similar to those voters for prop8 in California still suffer today. Kind of like the vitriol those with longer patience suffer in these forums for not seeing that the sky is falling when the pulpit criers ratchet up warnings.
No Mabel, the sky is not falling again. It's the upstairs neighbors tossing things at you because your bull horn is too loud.
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Kind of wonder. Do those who shout the loudest from their town square pulpit, warning of this game's end of days. Tend to be less oriented towards joining groups in any game to find their enjoyment?
One then might venture the non-affiliated player will require more external motivation than the player who seeks to play in the company of others. And that will dictate a lower tolerance for loss of potential target numbers and lack of frequent changes to the environment for their .02 an hour or $200.00 a year. The fuse on their patience and expectations is probably shorter, right or wrong in these situations. At which point those with longer patience probably have no sympathy to such short term needs ending in conversations similar to those voters for prop8 in California still suffer today. Kind of like the vitriol those with longer patience suffer in these forums for not seeing that the sky is falling when the pulpit criers ratchet up warnings.
No Mabel, the sky is not falling again. It's the upstairs neighbors tossing things at you because your bull horn is too loud.
New drinking game. Every time Bustr tries to shoehorn politics into his Aces High rants you have to take a drink.
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New drinking game. Every time Bustr tries to shoehorn politics into his Aces High rants you have to take a drink.
That game sounds like it would require people to start actually reading bustr's never ending turdposts
No thanks!
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New drinking game. Every time Bustr tries to shoehorn politics into his Aces High rants you have to take a drink.
Huh. Don'tcha mean psychology? ;) :cheers:
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That game sounds like it would require people to start actually reading bustr's never ending turdposts
No thanks!
Yeah. That might take some 30 minutes of reading time followed by still getting someone to explain it. ;) :D
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Huh. Don'tcha mean psychology? ;) :cheers:
Nope I mean politics.
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Nope I mean politics.
Damn. I was hopin' to get a drink outa that last post. *ShruG*
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:cheers: I don't have a problem with guys who offer constructive and or informative comments on this forum, but: YOU ARE ONLY PAYING 2.2 CENTS PER HOUR, SO WHAT THE HECK ARE PEOPLE CRITIZING AH FOR BUILDING THE BEST FLIGHT SIM GAME ON THE INTERNET!
That's a two way sword. On my last months of AH my price was astronomical as I was paying the subscription but not playing one minute. ;)
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That 200 bucks per year you speak of would be a bargain if it was just FSO's you got. I find great value in Aces High. I have fun every time I fly.
If I had time and energy to play, AH is well worth the price.
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How kind of you! But I can find my own way out. I know when to abandon ship. ;)
sounds like you already have
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See Rule #4
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This is our house. If you feel you hate this place so much you have to piss on every positive thing said, then you will be shown the door.
We are done with putting up with the lack of respect shown to us and others in the community. That goes for the game as well as this board.
If I were a new person and came to this forum, I would head for the hills and never look back. If you feel you need to run off customers, then please go do it someplace else.
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Your house is no longer made out of candy, but it's ok we have to wait 12 hours to start on the liquorish support structure. :P
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Your house is no longer made out of candy, but it's ok we have to wait 12 hours to start on the liquorish support structure. :P
And quote of the day goes to.....
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Your house is no longer made out of candy, but it's ok we have to wait 12 hours to start on the liquorish support structure. :P
You read Skuzzy's post. You responded in this manner. You've got a lot of gall. That wasn't a compliment.
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This is our house. If you feel you hate this place so much you have to piss on every positive thing said, then you will be shown the door.
Well said and done Skuzzy.
I look forward to the AH Bulletin Board being more enjoyable.
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When saying "this is our house" to customers currently paying for the privilege to prop up said house, my response is rather sedate considering.
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When saying "this is our house" to customers currently paying for the privilege to prop up said house, my response is rather sedate considering.
Rationalizing your ignoring Skuzzy's advice isn't doing anyone any good, least of all you. Just sayin'.
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Rationalizing your ignoring Skuzzy's advice isn't doing anyone any good, least of all you. Just sayin'.
Go ankle hump and backseat moderating somewhere else please.
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Arlo, if you have experience in customer services like I do, you'd understand.
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Obey the rules!
Oh the irony.
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Go ankle hump and backseat moderating somewhere else please.
Stop adding to stupid. :D
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Arlo, if you have experience in customer services like I do, you'd understand.
If you only knew. ;)
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Oh the irony.
Where? You apparently see a lot of things between imaginary lines. ;)
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Where? You apparently see a lot of things between imaginary lines. ;)
Did I not observe correctly in other threads that one of the things that set you off was other players acting as community policemen?
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I guess we need to reiterate this so everyone understands.
If you cannot act with a modicum of respect and decency while in our house (bulletin board, game..) then you will be shown the door. That is not a threat. It is a simple fact.
It does not matter how wonderful you think you are. We have allowed this to fester too long, which is our fault.
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See Rule #4
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Thank you Skuzzy.
I want to proudly be able to say I play this wonderful game.
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If I were a new person and came to this forum, I would head for the hills and never look back. If you feel you need to run off customers, then please go do it someplace else.
The above statement is gold. If you EVER liked/loved Aces High you need to take your unconstructive venom elsewhere. I just came back after a year away and man it's bad.
99% of what is annoying about the game is in the hands of the people playing the game. I've been picked nonstop every single flight I have made... and you know what? If I start picking, I just add to the problem.
Figure out a way to make things better, and act on it. If that is simply refraining from posting, so be it.
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The above statement is gold. If you EVER liked/loved Aces High you need to take your unconstructive venom elsewhere. I just came back after a year away and man it's bad.
99% of what is annoying about the game is in the hands of the people playing the game. I've been picked nonstop every single flight I have made... and you know what? If I start picking, I just add to the problem.
Figure out a way to make things better, and act on it. If that is simply refraining from posting, so be it.
+1
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It's nice to know that HTC takes their customers concerns about the game so seriously, and that they appreciate our patronage and value our business. :salute
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We have allowed this to fester too long, which is our fault.
You might consider doing something about the cause of our malcontent instead of just throwing out PNG's and hoping everybody forgets why they're unhappy.
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You might consider doing something about the cause of our malcontent instead of just throwing out PNG's and hoping everybody forgets about why they're unhappy.
The source of being disrespectful and/or hateful is not anything we have control over. However, we do not have to put up with the results of it. No one should have to.
It is one hundred percent counterproductive.
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You might consider doing something about the cause of our malcontent instead of just throwing out PNG's and hoping everybody forgets why they're unhappy.
Consider hitech himself said something needs to change in the "this game is dieing" thread I think they ARE infact doing something about it.
You know there is a fine line between constructive and destructive criticism.
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See Rule #4
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Consider hitech himself said something needs to change in the "this game is dieing" thread I think they ARE infact doing something about it.
You know there is a fine line between constructive and destructive criticism.
Not all that fine, actually. Sometimes crude even.
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Arlo, if you have experience in customer services like I do, you'd understand.
Ye gods! You worked in customer support at some point? Was it the California DMV? ;)
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Ye gods! You worked in customer support at some point? Was it the California DMV? ;)
More likely the Peoria Necromancers Group, judging by Dolby's title.
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I remember when it was $6/hour to play Air Warrior on GEnie (which is $10/hour in 2014 dollars). Some of my pals paid $1000/month (in 2014 dollars) playing it. We loved Air Warrior that much, but as much as we loved it and revere its memory, Aces High is 100 times better.
To me, an analogy would be that we paid $1000/month to get sirloin dinners many times a week. Then, 20 years later, we get to pay $15/month for an unlimited amount of prime filet mignon, ribeye, NY strip, and porterhouse.
Some folks in this topic seem to lack passion and perspective. ;)
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More likely the Peoria Necromancers Group, judging by Dolby's title.
Ah, rats. Now I'll never know. That revelation was akin to learning that Andrew Dice Clay used to work as a wedding planner.
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Thankyou Skuzzy , i agree totally , and most importantly i appreciate you and your staff allowing me into your house
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Bad folks. Caustic to all those about them. They come online and spew on who knows how many sites. 86 them all I say.
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This is our house. If you feel you hate this place so much you have to piss on every positive thing said, then you will be shown the door.
We are done with putting up with the lack of respect shown to us and others in the community. That goes for the game as well as this board.
If I were a new person and came to this forum, I would head for the hills and never look back. If you feel you need to run off customers, then please go do it someplace else.
And you guys refuse to read in favor of the international Internet sport of identity politics assassination. So I make satire of your "the personal is ideological" instead. There is only so long you can walk the bleeding edge of the fire before you get caught when business is involved. Sounds just like years ago when Skuzzy invited the old crew to leave the O'Club for Flame Warriors.
They tested Skuzzy's resolve back then in the O'Club and got banned on the spot. And that was only the O'Club. Now it's the whole AH Forums. If you don't learn from history, well, you are doomed to repeat it.
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The source of being disrespectful and/or hateful is not anything we have control over. However, we do not have to put up with the results of it. No one should have to.
It is one hundred percent counterproductive.
It's a dangerous business being the spokesperson for a group of people especially when some of them are no longer welcome here. But I will give it a shot.
I hate to sound so melodramatic about it but the best way I know to explain what has happened here is to say that some of the playerbase feels they have been pushed too far. The simple truth is that the game hasn't been much fun to play lately (Unless you're a base horder). The dropping numbers of active players have made it harder to find fun in the MA, and have made some of the gameplay issues more obvious as our options for "Doing something else" have dwindled. The major concern has been side switch times. If you look back you'll see that the first few requests for this change were polite and supported by a decent number of players, and those requests were ignored. Right or wrong this latest batch of unpleasantness is largely a product of feeling that you don't give a damn about us.
Yes we're all impressed by what we have seen of the new terrain engine, and yes that is a very big step in the right direction. But if that update is six months or a year down the road then a few small adjustments in the meantime to keep a decent portion of us who are paying 200 bucks a year now interested in the game are needed.
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It does not matter what any player thinks may be wrong, if they chose to be disrespectful about it, the message is lost.
Once someone makes the choice to be derogatory, they have also chosen to be silenced. People who carry this as their nature, look for any reason to spout off. Today it is the 12 hour rule, tomorrow it will be something else. Their presence in any discussion reduces the chance of that discussion having any real meaning.
Anyone wanting to have a chance at a real discussion, should welcome being rid of those distractions.
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It does not matter what any player thinks may be wrong, if they chose to be disrespectful about it, the message is lost.
Once someone makes the choice to be derogatory, they have also chosen to be silenced. People who carry this as their nature, look for any reason to spout off. Today it is the 12 hour rule, tomorrow it will be something else. Their presence in any discussion reduces the chance of that discussion having any real meaning.
Anyone wanting to have a chance at a real discussion, should welcome being rid of those distractions.
As I said the initial requests were polite, and were ignored. There was no discussion.
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"Lady, I'm afraid I'm gonna have to ask you to leave the store."
(http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/2/20/AoDWinchester11.JPG/600px-AoDWinchester11.JPG)
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As I said the initial requests were polite, and were ignored. There was no discussion.
I have no idea what you are talking about.
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Anyone wanting to have a chance at a real discussion, should welcome being rid of those distractions.
Bravo!
All it takes are few to diminish the enjoyment of the many.
Exceedingly well done, I say.
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I have no idea what you are talking about.
Exactly the issue, Skuzzy.
One point I could easily make would be the fact that there have been no less than 30 threads all of which multiple pages long and with easily 90% backing in each othem about the 12 hour side switch rule, many of them asking repeatedly for HTC to at least comment.....
It was blantantly obvious what the community wanted, and that was at the very least was a moment of anyone of the HTC staff's time to let us know what was going on with this... Yet over the last year we've been virtually ignored.
That is just one reason that may have lead to the recent outcries from members of the community. :aok
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After a long day Aces High is the one thing in my life I really look forward to. I love the game, and Love all you Guys and Gals that make it a joy. Heck just getting shot down by Shawk can be priceless! <S>
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That is just one reason that may have lead to the recent outcries from members of the community. :aok
I'm a member of the community since 2002.
I've no complaint about HTC's controls regarding subscribers switching countries. Neither have any of my squaddies complained, nor have I heard such on range.
Ever.
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I'm a member of the community since 2002.
I've no complaint about HTC's controls regarding subscribers switching countries. Neither have any of my squaddies complained, nor have I heard such on range.
Ever.
Same here. Never.
Change 02 to 05.
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I'm a member of the community since 2002.
I've no complaint about HTC's controls regarding subscribers switching countries. Neither have any of my squaddies complained, nor have I heard such on range.
Ever.
Because you have always been a Bishop squad only.
I've seen it numerous times in the past.
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Because you have always been a Bishop squad only.
I've seen it numerous times in the past.
Knight here, BP.
Still...can't think of once.
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Exactly the issue, Skuzzy.
One point I could easily make would be the fact that there have been no less than 30 threads all of which multiple pages long and with easily 90% backing in each othem about the 12 hour side switch rule, many of them asking repeatedly for HTC to at least comment.....
It was blantantly obvious what the community wanted, and that was at the very least was a moment of anyone of the HTC staff's time to let us know what was going on with this... Yet over the last year we've been virtually ignored.
That is just one reason that may have lead to the recent outcries from members of the community. :aok
QFT and +10'd
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I have no idea what you are talking about.
The major concern has been side switch times. If you look back you'll see that the first few requests for this change were polite and supported by a decent number of players, and those requests were ignored. Right or wrong this latest batch of unpleasantness is largely a product of feeling that you don't give a damn about us.
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Exactly the issue, Skuzzy.
One point I could easily make would be the fact that there have been no less than 30 threads all of which multiple pages long and with easily 90% backing in each othem about the 12 hour side switch rule, many of them asking repeatedly for HTC to at least comment.....
It was blantantly obvious what the community wanted, and that was at the very least was a moment of anyone of the HTC staff's time to let us know what was going on with this... Yet over the last year we've been virtually ignored.
That is just one reason that may have lead to the recent outcries from members of the community. :aok
Tell me, what would you do to balance the countries in the game?
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Knight here, BP.
Still...can't think of once.
I can think of many, but who am I?
I dont even play anymore. One of the main reasons is the 12 hour thing. Its very frustrating to me.
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I'm a member of the community since 2002.
I've no complaint about HTC's controls regarding subscribers switching countries. Neither have any of my squaddies complained, nor have I heard such on range.
Ever.
Knight here, BP.
Still...can't think of once.
Its pointless to use "having not heard it myself" as a counter argument for anything.
I have been on and off of AH since 2005..
I have yet to ever come across 999000's bombers.. ever.
Guess that means he doesn't exist huh bro's? :neener:
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I dont even play anymore.
You should. You're fun in the mosh.
Why so frustrating?
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Its pointless to use "having not heard it myself" as a counter argument for anything.
I have been on and off of AH since 2005..
I have yet to ever come across 999000's bombers.. ever.
Guess that means he doesn't exist huh bro's? :neener:
It's not offered as a 'counter argument' Blu... Just a statement. Think bigger man. As I just asked BP for his reasons on his distraught?
Less adversarial posting ...deep breaths...maybe we'll get somewhere.
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Tell me, what would you do to balance the countries in the game?
I'd say the same thing you did to balance the countries during the about 5 years we had 1h rule in Late War and for the almost 8 years now in EW and MW. ;)
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You should. You're fun in the mosh.
Why so frustrating?
Its frustrating because I dont fly with the blob of green horders. I like to switch and fight the side that has numbers.
You log in, look to see what country has least numbers, switch over to help them out, 2 hours later they have numbers. You are stuck with the horde so you log out.
I wont come back until that time is changed. I was to see some effort put in to it.
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Tell me, what would you do to balance the countries in the game?
What you're saying here basically is that you feel if the time was reduced too many people would switch and make countries unbalanced?
Well, what about someone else's idea recently, then?
Make it so you can switch to the country with lowest numbers without penalty, or with reduced penalty, but switching to the unbalanced country have full penalty.
What about just reducing it to 6 hours? Even that would be unimaginably better than 12 hours.
Why was it changed to 12 hours period? To keep down on 'spies' ? That must be a joke.
This game was so much more fun for a lot of us when it was 1 hour side switch times. I know a lot of the community thinks this is too little, and that's fine, as I said I think a lot of us would settle for even 4 or 6 hours.
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It's not offered as a 'counter argument' Blu... Just a statement. Think bigger man. As I just asked BP for his reasons on his distraught?
Less adversarial posting ...deep breaths...maybe we'll get somewhere.
I was mostly referring to how hap said "he had never heard it on range", since you had quoted him and said "same here never"
my point is, just because you don't feel there is a problem or haven't heard people around you complaining, doesn't mean they don't exist and are not a major problem.
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Its frustrating because I dont fly with the blob of green horders. I like to switch and fight the side that has numbers.
You log in, look to see what country has least numbers, switch over to help them out, 2 hours later they have numbers. You are stuck with the horde so you log out.
I wont come back until that time is changed. I was to see some effort put in to it.
Nor do I ever...except the blob I bring myself. The blob often follows us...and ruins the fun...that is a given.
I understand your feelings. I guess I enjoy my mates so much we can somehow find a way to have fun.
Too me...the most important change needs to be small maps only! That should have been done long ago now.
I was mostly referring to how hap said "he had never heard it on range", since you had quoted him and said "same here never"
my point is, just because you don't feel there is a problem or haven't heard people around you complaining, doesn't mean they don't exist and are not a major problem.
That I understand.
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What you're saying here basically is that you feel if the time was reduced too many people would switch and make countries unbalanced?
Well, what about someone else's idea recently, then?
Make it so you can switch to the country with lowest numbers without penalty, or with reduced penalty, but switching to the unbalanced country have full penalty.
What about just reducing it to 6 hours? Even that would be unimaginably better than 12 hours.
Why was it changed to 12 hours period? To keep down on 'spies' ? That must be a joke.
This game was so much more fun for a lot of us when it was 1 hour side switch times. I know a lot of the community thinks this is too little, and that's fine, as I said I think a lot of us would settle for even 4 or 6 hours.
4 to 6 hours isnt much better considering most people only play 3 to 4 hours a night, if that.
And yes, the spies thing is completely laughable.
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Once the graphics update comes I'll definately resub even if I won't have time to play, I have to try it out :x
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4 to 6 hours isnt much better considering most people only play 3 to 4 hours a night, if that.
And yes, the spies thing is completely laughable.
It's better than logging on at 8 AM before school/work and switching countries because 1.) there's 40 people online and no fights on this side, or 2.) because your friend is on the other side, and still being stuck on that country for another FIVE hours after you get home from school at 3PM or for 3 more hours after you get home from work at maybe 5PM
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I, personally, don't have any problem with the 12 hour rule, or a 48 hour rule, or a NEVER rule. As Stampf said, I find a way to have fun. I'm a knight, and the fact is like minded players seem to find each other. That's why bish are no talent horders, and rooks are little better. They run to ack, they do whatever so as not to "hurt their score/rank". That's fine with me, they pay, they can play the way they want to. I would have to take multiple hot showers to wash the stench off if I went bish....and I only have a 40 gallon water heater. SKuzzy, give the whiners what they want...they're never gonna shut up til you do what they want...just like they'll never shut up till people play the game the way they think it should be played. Yes, I know there's negative in this post, but frankly, I'm tire of the entire BBS being monopolized by them.
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See Rule #4
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No thanks...I see how they "play the game". Not my cup of tea. If I played like them, I'd fly with them. I'm just tired of the complainers. They tire me listening to them in-game. I personally think that those who threaten, change the rule or I'm not playing, should do so. It ruins the game for me, hearing it on vox.
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No thanks...I see how they "play the game". Not my cup of tea. If I played like them, I'd fly with them. I'm just tired of the complainers. They tire me listening to them in-game. I personally think that those who threaten, change the rule or I'm not playing, should do so. It ruins the game for me, hearing it on vox.
If you did you would find they are pretty much the same. You see what you want to see.
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It's better than logging on at 8 AM before school/work and switching countries because 1.) there's 40 people online and no fights on this side, or 2.) because your friend is on the other side, and still being stuck on that country for another FIVE hours after you get home from school at 3PM or for 3 more hours after you get home from work at maybe 5PM
That's funny, when I log on and "there's noone to fight" and I go hit a base, someone ALWAYS, ALWAYS!!!! finds me. If you play the game looking for only one thing, then I suppose itno fun. Two options, change the way you play or find another game. To complain endlessly, when no change is going to happen is truly the definition of insanity...doing the same thing over and over,yet getting the same result.
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Sucks. We are beyond repair.
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Oh hush! Bear, how does calling someone "ignorant" work in your hometown? Such scurrility.
I didn't say he was ignorant, I said the assertion one chess piece is superior to another is.
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I quit. You win.
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I quit. You win.
Were we competing? :huh
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I didn't say he was ignorant, I said the assertion one chess piece is superior to another is.
Bear, I will grant that not every single Rook is like all the others, but as in the world, people of like minds tend to congregate. Thus knights have the reputation for liking the fight more than winning the war. I'm not as concerned with winning the war, or protecting my score. That's not why I play. I play for the fight, I don't get out of furballs if I have a kill or two, and I'm not worried about landing my kills. The test of skill is my adrenaline booster. Even then, I've been constantly in the 300 rank range, so I'm not a total slouch. I gun, I tank, I bomb and I get in fighters. my favorite planes are the 110G and the 109s. I turn fight them all. I don't get high and protect my score, I don't run to ack or call in help. I call it off most often. Play the way that makes you happy. That's fine. All I'm saying is that, when it's BLATANTLY OBVIOUS that the rule isn't going to be changed, those who say change it or I'll quit should put their money where their mouth is, and give it a rest.
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Bear, I will grant that not every single Rook is like all the others, but as in the world, people of like minds tend to congregate. Thus knights have the reputation for liking the fight more than winning the war. I'm not as concerned with winning the war, or protecting my score. That's not why I play. I play for the fight, I don't get out of furballs if I have a kill or two, and I'm not worried about landing my kills. The test of skill is my adrenaline booster. Even then, I've been constantly in the 300 rank range, so I'm not a total slouch. I gun, I tank, I bomb and I get in fighters. my favorite planes are the 110G and the 109s. I turn fight them all. I don't get high and protect my score, I don't run to ack or call in help. I call it off most often. Play the way that makes you happy. That's fine. All I'm saying is that, when it's BLATANTLY OBVIOUS that the rule isn't going to be changed, those who say change it or I'll quit should put their money where their mouth is, and give it a rest.
I don't think it's written in stone, it's been changed before and I don't know anyone threatening to quit., but I do know some that would resubscribe if it did change.
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I don't think it's written in stone, it's been changed before and I don't know anyone threatening to quit., but I do know some that would resubscribe if it did change.
^ This
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Even though I don't care either way 12 hrs 1 hr. whatever...I posted for the change +1.
Whatever brings more guys to the dar...to the game. The whole spies thing is a load of bullocks....lmao - the same thing we get now from buff pilots...They just can't seem to understand how dar bar works. Hello...we see you...don't know you are buffs...that is true...but who else would be upping from back there? It's laughable.
No problem finding action tonight along the rook front...Damn you guys use nose plugs or what?
When Zoney calls someone out 'High'...oh boy...I am into the deck for something tastier...
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Look for us SW's... We rarely break 10k.. :D
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Look for us SW's... We rarely break 10k.. :D
and we arrive at bases to stir up a fight for those looking to dog for a while, unless we take it, which opens up a new front for you fighter jocks to explore.
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and we arrive at bases to stir up a fight for those looking to dog for a while, unless we take it, which opens up a new front for you fighter jocks to explore.
True, we like to stick around for a fight too.
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I think that perceived differences between the three countries are a combination of illusion and nominal random fluctuation.
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I don't think it's written in stone, it's been changed before and I don't know anyone threatening to quit., but I do know some that would resubscribe if it did change.
I'm really beginning to question the fiscal aspect of maybe flying in FSO once every 6 weeks or so.
I think that perceived differences between the three countries are a combination of illusion and nominal random fluctuation.
Agreed. I flew Rook and only Rook for years and had the usual "Knits always do this" and "Bish always do that" mentality. After being a side switcher for so long now there really is no difference.
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This is our house. If you feel you hate this place so much you have to piss on every positive thing said, then you will be shown the door.
We are done with putting up with the lack of respect shown to us and others in the community. That goes for the game as well as this board.
If I were a new person and came to this forum, I would head for the hills and never look back. If you feel you need to run off customers, then please go do it someplace else.
If that is so, why run a public forum anyway?
If you would run a "Subscribers only" part of the forum it might be way more respectful and contributing than it is nowadays.
Makes it way easier to split ways with the trolls you do not want in game nor BBS.
Just my 2 cents.
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If that is so, why run a public forum anyway?
If you would run a "Subscribers only" part of the forum it might be way more respectful and contributing than it is nowadays.
Makes it way easier to split ways with the trolls you do not want in game nor BBS.
Just my 2 cents.
Most new people need help and this can be the best place for them to reach out for it.
The board should not have to be restricted to those potential players due to the handful which may be problematic.
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Most new people need help and this can be the best place for them to reach out for it.
The board should not have to be restricted to those potential players due to the handful which may be problematic.
Just add the two weekers in as well.
Like you said yourself...the state of the forum right now...would run even you off. So we are not helping any new guys that way.
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So, let's fix it.
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So, let's fix it.
You know I'm in. Always have been.
Why I rarely venture to the Main bbs. Not much good happening out here, and most of that...coming from people who don't even play.
Seems like a (and I hate to use it) win/win for a user only forum.
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win/win for a user only forum.
Bad business move right there.
I think HTC got their point across today with all the smacking around that happened.
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Bad business move right there.
I think HTC got their point across today with all the smacking around that happened.
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Sadly BP...you just made my point man.
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So, let's fix it.
I'd rather fix it by creating a place for actual players to contribute and not dig through tons of ramprage .....
I doubt that you can fend off the trolls in a public area. They change IP, name and back they are.
The public part always will be like that, venting off ingame suckage or trying to excuse yourself for it.
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I'd rather fix it by creating a place for actual players to contribute and not dig through tons of ramprage .....
I doubt that you can fend off the trolls in a public area. They change IP, name and back they are.
The public part always will be like that, venting off ingame suckage or trying to excuse yourself for it.
This.
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You get them no matter what you do.
The only way to defeat a troll is to ignore them. I know that is not going to happen, based on personal observations, but it would be really cool to see sometime.
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You get them no matter what you do.
The only way to defeat a troll is to ignore them. I know that is not going to happen, based on personal observations, but it would be really cool to see sometime.
That would be peachy...like a hemi charger in my x mas stocking...hitting the lottery...life on mars...
Come on Roy. It would be cool...no doubt. But like the above...just a dream man.
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I agree. So we play whack-a-troll once in a while.
Closing the board off to potential business is not a choice.
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I agree. So we play whack-a-troll once in a while.
Closing the board off to potential business is not a choice.
Thanks for the back and forth. And the answer.
See folks. It's easy. Simple respectful even posting goes a long way.
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I agree. So we play whack-a-troll once in a while.
Closing the board off to potential business is not a choice.
Skuzzy, appreciating you putting time in this.
As much as I understand the reasons for the whack-a-troll, it does not contribute anything either than temporarily reducing the number of trolls til they return.
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Most new people need help and this can be the best place for them to reach out for it.
The board should not have to be restricted to those potential players due to the handful which may be problematic.
When I look at the BBS, I easlity can make up the number of PNG's / locked threads a certain forum generates. Who knows, maybe someone has a stat on this.
If these stay public, 1st they do is put bad advertising on AH, 2nd they do not contribute to the game nor the forum.
I wonder how many threads you have locked in Help & Training ( a place where a new customer SHOULD look ). Oçlub and General discussion should be members only, like 200.
I would not call it restricted, I would call it new customer protection. :D
Would save you a lot of time ;)
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Skuzzy, appreciating you putting time in this.
As much as I understand the reasons for the whack-a-troll, it does not contribute anything either than temporarily reducing the number of trolls til they return.
There is some truth to that. However, even a troll gets tired of being bounced, once he locates a better watering hole he will move on.
When I look at the BBS, I easlity can make up the number of PNG's / locked threads a certain forum generates. Who knows, maybe someone has a stat on this.
If these stay public, 1st they do is put bad advertising on AH, 2nd they do not contribute to the game nor the forum.
I wonder how many threads you have locked in Help & Training ( a place where a new customer SHOULD look ). Oçlub and General discussion should be members only, like 200.
I would not call it restricted, I would call it new customer protection. :D
Would save you a lot of time ;)
All forums go through a natural cycle of good and bad. When in the bad cycle, you do what you can to keep it respectful. It is part of the business. We know it will cycle around again.
Once you remove the feeding of the drama queens "the sky is falling" routine, things tend to settle back down.
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There is some truth to that. However, even a troll gets tired of being bounced, once he locates a better watering hole he will move on.
All forums go through a natural cycle of good and bad. When in the bad cycle, you do what you can to keep it respectful. It is part of the business. We know it will cycle around again.
Once you remove the feeding of the drama queens "the sky is falling" routine, things tend to settle back down.
Well, good luck with it. After all these years you probably have some experience with it.
Yet, I wonder why let the cycle repeat itself over and over again? I would look for a satisfying solution where both sides can live with.
That would mean making progress.
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Well, good luck with it. After all these years you probably have some experience with it.
Yet, I wonder why let the cycle repeat itself over and over again? I would look for a satisfying solution where both sides can live with.
That would mean making progress.
this
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Those cycles would happen, regardless of who or who was not on the board. It is just the nature of an online community. People come and go. The cycles follow.
Hang around long enough and you will see it happen.
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Those cycles would happen, regardless of who or who was not on the board. It is just the nature of an online community. People come and go. The cycles follow.
Hang around long enough and you will see it happen.
No one debates the cycle happens.
Why subject us, the customer base to suffer through a bad forum experience? New customer work around is simple.
EDIT: And please dont get me wrong. Thank the gods for png'ing McMidwho... but the joy it gave me far underwhelms the months and months of pain.
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No one debates the cycle happens.
Why subject us, the customer base to suffer through a bad forum experience? New customer work around is simple.
It does not matter the source, the cycles happen. Every board I have ever been apart of goes through it.
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It does not matter the source, the cycles happen. Every board I have ever been apart of goes through it.
At some point - and the longer the more painful waiting becomes...and even though the weeds will surely come back, turning the soil produces a more vibrant and productive crop...for a time at least. A time that can be prolonged through care.
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Oh damn, I do not own a tiller.
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Oh damn, I do not own a tiller.
:)
They are easy to use.
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Those cycles would happen, regardless of who or who was not on the board. It is just the nature of an online community. People come and go. The cycles follow.
Hang around long enough and you will see it happen.
I don't believe you could truly close out trolls.
But because you know or expect that things keep repeating themselves does not mean you have to accept them.
That is contrary to any free spirit and actually would insult any ability to compromise.
Yet again, looking at it rationally, what is more efficient?
Bust some caps and clean up the board from unwanted members or actually invest time and effort to try a different approach?
As the cycle keeps repeating itself endlessly I tend to say, the cleaning up costs more in the end.
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Must own a tiller :D
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Translated to Texas speak for Skuzzy
Just don't give them as much rope. :devil
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Must own a tiller :D
Don't even have a garden :D
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< lives in an apartment. :D
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Those cycles would happen, regardless of who or who was not on the board. It is just the nature of an online community. People come and go. The cycles follow.
Hang around long enough and you will see it happen.
It is, maybe. I have been with AH since 2001. Yet I did stick with reading the BBS for years.
Accepting the cycle would mean I would accept my neighbours dog doing it's business on my lawn over and over again.
I don't and I put means in place to prevent it as far as possible. If necessary I shoot the dog. Harsh example but it makes the point.
Example: On another board they have contributing members ( Squad leaders for example ) as moderators. Equipped with the full load of possibilities from warning to PNG.
I don't say you have to do this. But pick up the end of the cycle to find a solution. Waiting and hoping for things to turn to the better does not improve anything.
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We do not wait and hope things turn better. What do you think we have been doing the last few days? There are times when the community will not correct itself and someone has to step in.
There is no stopping the cycles, short of shutting down all non-support forums. If you know a way, then please elaborate. Might want to email or PM me with the answer.
We tried allowing players to be board moderators and it did not work.
Blocking non-players is not an option.
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Oh damn, I do not own a tiller.
Roy, What the hell. A tiller? You're supposed to be from the south. Get a pickaxe and hoe. Thats how us southern boys do it.
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This thread made me think of my first CO Dogit. Dude complained every 5 minutes bout this game being rigged for the rooks. i can still hear that thick Boston accent in my head whining bout Skuzzy. :huh
I think we have so many hardcore regulars that we can keep playing this game for a long time if we just help accept the new players in a little better, as posted already on another thread. some new advertising and i bet we could keep a nice base of 300 350 players a night at peak maybe more on weekends for a long time.
Been playing the game for 5, 6 years but only started flying FSO a couple years ago. might not be flying still if i hadn't joined in on the Friday Night fun.
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Roy, What the hell. A tiller? You're supposed to be from the south. Get a pickaxe and hoe. Thats how us southern boys do it.
ROFL!
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We do not wait and hope things turn better. What do you think we have been doing the last few days? There are times when the community will not correct itself and someone has to step in.
There is no stopping the cycles, short of shutting down all non-support forums. If you know a way, then please elaborate. Might want to email or PM me with the answer.
We tried allowing players to be board moderators and it did not work.
Blocking non-players is not an option.
I do like a sensable, public discussion. Will pm you on the other matter.
As I am not from the south :D I rather leave the pickaxe in the shed... Shootin the neighbours dog was harsh enough I thought?
Your statement above puzzles me. You say, board members as moderators did not work yet you expect the community to self correct?
It's a bit like a dogfight in Mossie XVI, isn't it? And even if it did not work in the past, why not try again? How can I stop a troll without the means?
Yes, we can report things.Reporting a thread means to me the hammer comes down and someone flies off the board. I do not like the idea so I rather not report anything. My choice.
Not knowing about the technical issues involved but I give it a try:
Open a "troll" forum. Sounds weird? You have the power to MOVE threads, right? Open a forum for flying members only where you dump all the debauchery, locked threads and so on you do not want to see in the public section.
Anyone who gives reason to have a thread moved too often is removed from game and bbs. Give the power to MOVE to selected, subscribed and active members off the GAME<<< edit
Keeps the public part clean and tidy and can be placed with the necessary explicit! warnings for new customers when they become paying subscribers.
I did not yet think of the part of keeping the thread active or lock it once it is moved.
Your turn.
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First, Skuzzy, thanks for discussing this. While i understand not wanting to cut out new players, there are way too many non-players who tie up your time and wreck threads with their opinions. As a paying player, I feel that non-paying members of the board have little business tellin you or us how to play the game. It seems the longer they haven't played, the more self-important they are. How about a button that allows us to mute non-payers?
If you don't pay, you should be able to be ignored, without disrupting the reading of threads. At this point the only way to get away from them is stay away from the BBS and that isn't worth a tinker's damn. Hell, I just had to leave the game because I was being constantly PMed by a player who I really like, but supports those who've gotten the Ban Hammer and i got tired of hearing it...I know, I could have muted him, but I'm so tired of the 12 hour junk, I just gave up for the night.
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I think that this message board is excellent.
It has its flare ups of argument once in a while, but they don't last, and some of the arguments are not even bad but just spirited.
A message board is a very useful advertising and marketing tool. Prospective users can come in and poke around. They might come across some flaming argument over a game aspect, but 99% of the stuff they can look at is not that and can help them see how much there is to the game.
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Good Grief!
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Back when we allowed the discussion of anything in the O'Club, we tried everything to keep from having to place a bunch of forum posting rules in place.
The problem was the postings there carried over to the game as well as the other forums and created a real mess anytime anything controversial came up. We will not go there again.
So, opening a separate forum will not work.
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Back when we allowed the discussion of anything in the O'Club, we tried everything to keep from having to place a bunch of forum posting rules in place.
The problem was the postings there carried over to the game as well as the other forums and created a real mess anytime anything controversial came up. We will not go there again.
So, opening a separate forum will not work.
The OÇlub is still part of the public section. Anything public won't work and we will keep running in circles.
To clean up the public part you need to come up with something accessible yet not public.
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Roy, What the hell. A tiller? You're supposed to be from the south. Get a pickaxe and hoe. Thats how us southern boys do it.
Might have expected Southerners to use a pickaxe and/or hoe to try to guide a sailboat. Good thing someone invented life jackets.
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Roy, What the hell. A tiller?
(http://i2.wp.com/www.action-alameda-news.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/048.jpg)
That's a tiller.
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(http://i2.wp.com/www.action-alameda-news.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/048.jpg)
That's a tiller.
Well, excuse me for being ignorant lol.
I was thinking about farming lulz.
I guess my inbred side came out for a sec.
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:lol
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:lol
I blame my mothers side :noid
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The problem was the postings there carried over to the game as well as the other forums and created a real mess anytime anything controversial came up. We will not go there again.
So, opening a separate forum will not work.
Look what happens in a private forum for subscribers only. Scenario Forums are locked to participants only, they have subscriptions. The last scenario had a very few people that were not interested in a discussion, but simply wanted to instigate. That created a caustic environment for those who simply wanted to participate in the scenario. Just going Private for paying customers will not solve that problem, so you simply take as much as you can take and at some point start chopping off heads. Paying for a subscription does not automatically improve ones ability to play well with others. In fact, sometimes it has the opposite affect of letting them think they now own a portion of the company and have the absolute right to do what ever they want no matter what the impact.
These are the problems, not the public or private board, not the discussions and debates, not things that normal, respectful people can manage to participate in without creating a cesspool out of every thing. You cannot code away ignorance and griefers. You just patiently hope they get better and eventually just rid yourself of the problem.
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See Rule #4
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Look what happens in a private forum for subscribers only. Scenario Forums are locked to participants only, they have subscriptions. The last scenario had a very few people that were not interested in a discussion, but simply wanted to instigate. That created a caustic environment for those who simply wanted to participate in the scenario. Just going Private for paying customers will not solve that problem, so you simply take as much as you can take and at some point start chopping off heads. Paying for a subscription does not automatically improve ones ability to play well with others. In fact, sometimes it has the opposite affect of letting them think they now own a portion of the company and have the absolute right to do what ever they want no matter what the impact.
These are the problems, not the public or private board, not the discussions and debates, not things that normal, respectful people can manage to participate in without creating a cesspool out of every thing. You cannot code away ignorance and griefers. You just patiently hope they get better and eventually just rid yourself of the problem.
I would not open a troll forum to discuss any matter further than the reason it made it become a troll thread. I would open a subscriber only forum to MOVE the bad and the ugly away from the public section.
As stated earlier, I did not think about if I want to let any thread go any further after it has been moved to the "Troll section" for derogatory or any other reasons, that should be on HTC to decide.
I do not intend to justify any abusive behaviour nor threads against the rules, other than self agreed to. That's what private forums can be used for.
Trolls are trolls and will ever be around and return. You can't keep em at bay in a public forum. So far so good.
But to enable me to ignore them or even better, to let myself decide if I still want to have a look at them or not you have to get them off the public section. This way you create a barrier which keeps you to your legal obligations as well as entiteling me to decide if I want to have a look at it or not. They should be sweeped off the public section for new customer protection and against bad advertising for HTC.
I even believe it would make maintenance a bit easier for HTC as well, as you could automate the process of how a thread gets moved and set parameters to lock it or even ban the author causing trouble.
That would take away the personal vendettas some think are necessary to have with HTC staff as well as the necessity to monitor this part of the web even through the weekends.
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2.2 cents hour?
What is that in non colonial coinage?
:)
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2.2 cents hour?
What is that in non colonial coinage?
:)
About tuppence halfpenny
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2.2 cents hour?
What is that in non colonial coinage?
:)
it's about 1\8 of a meat pie.
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50+ years ago I was in 1st grade in Luton England. I was constantly in trouble when it came to anything taught about currency. I was convinced the Pound meant a Pound and not a primary denomination of currency like the dollar. A year later I was in Pakistan and being only 6, was convinced the rupee was a dried fruit.
Ahhh for the days when we traded pies for services and goods.
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it's about 1\8 of a meat pie.
About 1/8 of a meat pie per day, or about 3 meat pies per month, or 0.004 meat pies per hour. (At least at the local rate of a meat pie being about $5.)
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Have you not seen the current price of pork & beef? :x
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Have you not seen the current price of pork & beef? :x
Don't worry. There is no inflation.
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Don't worry. There is no inflation.
Tell my waistline that.
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Tell my waistline that.
I look at it this way. My waistline is increasing, but I'm losing brain mass, so it evens out.
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it's about 1\8 of a meat pie.
One of these days, I'm going to eat a meat pie while playing Aces High. Zack will be jealous.
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I look at it this way. My waistline is increasing, but I'm losing brain mass, so it evens out.
I actually said that to my doctor. She just glared at me.
Oh,..here is a tip. Never piss off your doctor when she is about to give you a complete physical. Oh yeah,...don't do it!
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Glad to see you able to laugh a bit again Skuzzy :salute
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I actually said that to my doctor. She just glared at me.
Oh,..here is a tip. Never piss off your doctor when she is about to give you a complete physical. Oh yeah,...don't do it!
thats why you should tattoo your Johnson....
everything they were thinking goes out the window...and all they can do is stare at it..... :D
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Glad to see you able to laugh a bit again Skuzzy :salute
I laugh more than most people know about. It really is hard to get under my skin. It challenges some people more than they would like.
thats why you should tattoo your Johnson....
everything they were thinking goes out the window...and all they can do is stare at it..... :D
I really do not think it would phase my doctor one bit. She is from the Bronx.
If anything, she would look and say, "You think a lot with this don't you?"
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thats why you should tattoo your Johnson....
everything they were thinking goes out the window...and all they can do is stare at it..... :D
Hey, good idea. I think I'll go for Chatanooga Tennesee (reference to an old joke I no longer remember).
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I laugh more than most people know about. It really is hard to get under my skin. It challenges some people more than they would like.
I really do not think it would phase my doctor one bit. She is from the Bronx.
If anything, she would look and say, "You think a lot with this don't you?"
:P
Hey, good idea. I think I'll go for Chatanooga Tennesee (reference to an old joke I no longer remember).
:aok
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I laugh more than most people know about. It really is hard to get under my skin. It challenges some people more than they would like.
Hmmm, How many times have you laughed at me?
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Hmmm, How many times have you laughed at me?
Don't get more paranoid, or I might hurt myself laughing so hard. :)
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Don't get more paranoid, or I might hurt myself laughing so hard. :)
Thats rox, hes the paranoid one. Im just the village idiot.
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I have been to that village!
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:rofl oh man the last few pages theres so much sig material :rofl
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:rofl :rofl this is hilarious :rofl
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One of these days, I'm going to eat a meat pie while playing Aces High. Zack will be jealous.
I'm thawing out some elk and antelope steaks going to make me a meat pie when I get back from fishing on Sunday.
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I'm thawing out some elk and antelope steaks going to make me a meat pie when I get back from fishing on Sunday.
An elk and antelope meat pie would be glorious.
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I have been to that village!
yeah and you've kicked me out several times :cry
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yeah and you've kicked me out several times :cry
My bad. I thought we were playing 'stick the ban', but was later told it was 'kick the can'. Hearing sucks when you get older. :)
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My bad. I thought we were playing 'stick the ban', but was later told it was 'kick the can'. Hearing sucks when you get older. :)
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Now if only Hitech would write a Skuzzy-Bot like some groups use to spam political and cultural web sites. Then it would maintain a Skuzzy presence in our posts with relevant one liners. We would probably never know the difference until the sig material started to repeat itself. That would mean the real Skuzzy forgot to update his catch phrases and signature material weekly. But, we would play nice because it's the Skuzzy in the da house.
Now the analog version is Skuzzy scans the whole post database for all of his posts to create a cheat sheet. Prints it out, and the rest of HTC takes turns being Skuzzy using the printout to have those Skuzzyism gems when they Mod the forums.
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Thats rox, hes the paranoid one. Im just the village idiot.
So am I :old:
Xbrit hates me with a vengence as well :)
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I don't feel that I am getting 200 bucks worth of entertainment per year out of this game anymore. Hopefully that will change someday soon.
Need some cheese :lol