General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Dundee on January 06, 2016, 07:59:24 PM
Title: 49th Fighter Group Homecoming Mega B-29 Raid
Post by: Dundee on January 06, 2016, 07:59:24 PM
On January 29th at 10/9 central time, the 49th Fighter Group will host a B-29 Homecoming Raid for our present and past members. The Raid will be open to all Rooks and other invited Knight Squads to join us in this epic mission. We made a video to kick off the registration for the event
Title: Re: 49th Fighter Group Homecoming Mega B-29 Raid
Post by: JunkyII on January 06, 2016, 08:50:49 PM
"We made a video"
You put a title and credits on a film footage shot in WW2...
I'm switching Bish for this...
Title: Re: 49th Fighter Group Homecoming Mega B-29 Raid
Post by: Masherbrum on January 06, 2016, 09:05:02 PM
Guys will be switching sides so they can call out your location to squaddies on ventrillo and team speak.
If we don't know you, you won't get the Information on when and where....We fly Knights 3 month out of the year...so we know quite of few Knights we can trust.
Title: Re: 49th Fighter Group Homecoming Mega B-29 Raid
Post by: Getback on January 08, 2016, 11:56:04 AM
Do you need me to loan you some perks?
Title: Re: 49th Fighter Group Homecoming Mega B-29 Raid
Post by: Zoney on January 08, 2016, 12:43:42 PM
If we don't know you, you won't get the Information on when and where....We fly Knights 3 month out of the year...so we know quite of few Knights we can trust.
Am I on the "approved" list?
Title: Re: 49th Fighter Group Homecoming Mega B-29 Raid
Post by: Dundee on January 08, 2016, 01:46:24 PM
Hook up with us on VOX 149 over the next few days and we'll take care of you..... :aok
Title: Re: 49th Fighter Group Homecoming Mega B-29 Raid
Post by: 49MERLIN on January 08, 2016, 09:32:54 PM
I hate to post, but here's the skinny on the mission.
Not really worried about, spies, teamspeak, ventrillo & the like. Spies, shades, and switchers are always present, not to mention we are advertising the mission and will hopefully be throwing up a huge darbar. That being said, the purpose of the mission is not to grief or piss anyone off, but to get the player base in the MA who would like to be in or intercept a HUGE bomber mission to have the opportunity to do so. Also, to do it at near the FSO time on the last Friday of the month.
If you want to fly a single or a set of 29s join the mission. If you wish to intercept the mission, please at least have the courtesy to not attack us until we cross our front lines, so that all involved will have a more FUN & quasi-realistic time that evening.
The Goal is to get at LEAST 99 B-29s up in the air. I figure if we get that we can get escorts to tag along too. That should be only 33 bomber pilots in sets, and I think with the prior notification that should give everyone the ability to save the perks and mark it on the calendar. I know it is in the MA, and yes I know there are better venues for something like this, but a lot of players are unaware of those venues, not to mention the BBs, so I figure it may help to liven the player base a bit. You should also realize that because it is in the MA we will not know the map until the day of the mission, so don't ask me about specifics, just come to the MA at 8:30 CST on Friday Jan 29th and JO)IN UP!!!
This is an informative post only and I do not need, nor want a response, cuz I'm not gonna come back and read it anyway.
49MERLIN CO 49thFG
Title: Re: 49th Fighter Group Homecoming Mega B-29 Raid
Post by: USCH on January 08, 2016, 11:16:34 PM
If you wish to intercept the mission, please at least have the courtesy to not attack us until we cross our front lines, so that all involved will have a more FUN & quasi-realistic time that evening.
This ^^^^^^^ and this vvvvvvvvvvvv dont add up, im guessing you might see a lot of 262's in your future.
This is an informative post only and I do not need, nor want a response, cuz I'm not gonna come back and read it anyway.
49MERLIN CO 49thFG
Title: Re: 49th Fighter Group Homecoming Mega B-29 Raid
Post by: pipz on January 09, 2016, 08:17:57 AM
Outstanding! I don't think I have seen a huge bomber mission like this in some time. :aok
Title: Re: 49th Fighter Group Homecoming Mega B-29 Raid
Post by: Zoney on January 09, 2016, 10:37:18 AM
Fantastic! I may even be tempted to escort, seriously......looks like great fun on either side.
Title: Re: 49th Fighter Group Homecoming Mega B-29 Raid
Post by: mthrockmor on January 09, 2016, 01:02:00 PM
Let me throw in a couple thoughts/suggestions: 1. Set a realistic cruise speed. In real life the B-29 cruised at 220 mph, not the 350 mph top speed we typically see in AH. Every now and then this is mentioned, but pushing these engines to 100% for the entire flight would burn them out of after 30 minutes or less. And, setting a max speed also makes intercepting more realistic. Maybe no alt cap, and a top speed of 270 or something? 2. I love realistic set ups, maybe all interceptors need to be in Rice Cookers (aka, Ki-84, Nikis, etc)
Okay, I'm being a busy body so if both of these are offensive please disregard. The third condition is a must though.
3. Some of our best film creators such as Vudu15, Dolby, Latrobe etc need to get FilmViewer recordings of this so they can create awesome recruiting videos for AH3! A mass B-29 raid, real or virtual, hasn't happened since the Korean War?
I've put it on my calendar and plan to up a Rice Cooker, though I'd prefer a Ta-152
Great job 49rs!
boo <S>
Title: Re: 49th Fighter Group Homecoming Mega B-29 Raid
Post by: lyric1 on January 09, 2016, 03:10:30 PM
Let me throw in a couple thoughts/suggestions: 1. Set a realistic cruise speed. In real life the B-29 cruised at 220 mph, not the 350 mph top speed we typically see in AH. Every now and then this is mentioned, but pushing these engines to 100% for the entire flight would burn them out of after 30 minutes or less. And, setting a max speed also makes intercepting more realistic. Maybe no alt cap, and a top speed of 270 or something?
Also Lemay forced them to fly no higher than 15k because in real life they could hit nothing at 30k plus.
Title: Re: 49th Fighter Group Homecoming Mega B-29 Raid
Post by: Wizz on January 09, 2016, 04:24:47 PM
Let me throw in a couple thoughts/suggestions: 1. Set a realistic cruise speed. In real life the B-29 cruised at 220 mph, not the 350 mph top speed we typically see in AH. Every now and then this is mentioned, but pushing these engines to 100% for the entire flight would burn them out of after 30 minutes or less. And, setting a max speed also makes intercepting more realistic. Maybe no alt cap, and a top speed of 270 or something? 2. I love realistic set ups, maybe all interceptors need to be in Rice Cookers (aka, Ki-84, Nikis, etc)
Okay, I'm being a busy body so if both of these are offensive please disregard. The third condition is a must though.
3. Some of our best film creators such as Vudu15, Dolby, Latrobe etc need to get FilmViewer recordings of this so they can create awesome recruiting videos for AH3! A mass B-29 raid, real or virtual, hasn't happened since the Korean War?
I've put it on my calendar and plan to up a Rice Cooker, though I'd prefer a Ta-152
Great job 49rs!
boo <S>
The problems that you run into with aiming for the mission being as realistic as possible is the simple fact that this is a game not real life. So for starters there is no element of surprise unless the HQ is dropped at the beginning of the mission and kept down. So imo its unrealistic to think that the mission will run at 15-20k. Im not advocating max ceiling so dont get me wrong. I think that as we get closer those finer details will be etched out. Because this is a game and time is of the essence I highly doubt the cruise speed will be less than 280 either.
I love the idea of the second suggestion but this will not be the case. There was a reason why the 29's only saw action in the pacific. Although they are OP in-game in realistic settings against a well organized and coordinated defense B-29's dont stand much of a chance against German interceptors. It would be cool if we could get as close as possible to something that would have happened but that is for a different arena.
Completely agree with the suggestion that as much film as possible be taken be everyone. Even if you don't know what to do with it film the sortie then send it to someone who does. This should be a good one for sure!
Title: Re: 49th Fighter Group Homecoming Mega B-29 Raid
Post by: Shuffler on January 10, 2016, 02:24:15 PM
There was a reason why the 29's only saw action in the pacific. Although they are OP in-game in realistic settings against a well organized and coordinated defense B-29's dont stand much of a chance against German interceptors.
What? Are you saying they didn't deploy B-29s to Europe because they were concerned with German interceptors? I think you should stick to just talking about the game.
Title: Re: 49th Fighter Group Homecoming Mega B-29 Raid
Post by: lyric1 on January 10, 2016, 03:41:56 PM
Now granted those were night raids so a 16,000 feet cap twice that of a night raid a fair compromise since we don't have night. Plus you get to do it in formations where this was done by individual aircraft alone.
Title: Re: 49th Fighter Group Homecoming Mega B-29 Raid
Post by: Wizz on January 10, 2016, 05:01:54 PM
Now granted those were night raids so a 16,000 feet cap twice that of a night raid a fair compromise since we don't have night. Plus you get to do it in formations where this was done by individual aircraft alone.
im not the mission planner and it doesnt take much to grind a set of 29's...
but keep trying :cheers:
Title: Re: 49th Fighter Group Homecoming Mega B-29 Raid
Post by: JunkyII on January 10, 2016, 05:41:39 PM
im not the mission planner I'm just A hole who doesn't know what this game is about but I talk like I do and everyone says I don't but I don't listen because I'm an A Hole
but keep trying :cheers:
Title: Re: 49th Fighter Group Homecoming Mega B-29 Raid
Post by: 68ZooM on January 10, 2016, 06:27:35 PM
I hate to post, but here's the skinny on the mission.
Not really worried about, spies, teamspeak, ventrillo & the like. Spies, shades, and switchers are always present, not to mention we are advertising the mission and will hopefully be throwing up a huge darbar. That being said, the purpose of the mission is not to grief or piss anyone off, but to get the player base in the MA who would like to be in or intercept a HUGE bomber mission to have the opportunity to do so. Also, to do it at near the FSO time on the last Friday of the month.
If you want to fly a single or a set of 29s join the mission. If you wish to intercept the mission, please at least have the courtesy to not attack us until we cross our front lines, so that all involved will have a more FUN & quasi-realistic time that evening.
The Goal is to get at LEAST 99 B-29s up in the air. I figure if we get that we can get escorts to tag along too. That should be only 33 bomber pilots in sets, and I think with the prior notification that should give everyone the ability to save the perks and mark it on the calendar. I know it is in the MA, and yes I know there are better venues for something like this, but a lot of players are unaware of those venues, not to mention the BBs, so I figure it may help to liven the player base a bit. You should also realize that because it is in the MA we will not know the map until the day of the mission, so don't ask me about specifics, just come to the MA at 8:30 CST on Friday Jan 29th and JO)IN UP!!!
This is an informative post only and I do not need, nor want a response, cuz I'm not gonna come back and read it anyway.
49MERLIN CO 49thFG
Oh, so you don't want anyone "griefing" YOUR fun? Ironic.
Title: Re: 49th Fighter Group Homecoming Mega B-29 Raid
Post by: Zimme83 on January 11, 2016, 06:03:09 PM
One good thing with these "33" guys climbing to 30+k in 29:s is that there will be almost noone left to defend their bases so the other teams can roll them back to their HQ and vulch them on landing. :D
Title: Re: 49th Fighter Group Homecoming Mega B-29 Raid
Post by: Wizz on January 11, 2016, 06:39:21 PM
One good thing with these "33" guys climbing to 30+k in 29:s is that there will be almost noone left to defend their bases so the other teams can roll them back to their HQ and vulch them on landing. :D
???
Oh you folks crack me up with your logic.
So check you calender first . . .
Then re-read the time.........
Its prime time on a Friday. Even with 50 in the mission that should only take up half of the country normally at this time
Title: Re: 49th Fighter Group Homecoming Mega B-29 Raid
Post by: Wizz on January 11, 2016, 06:42:13 PM
Will cybro be seeing the mission off in his jeep? :neener:
Cybro has made Knights his/her new home, he used to camp our squad VOX all the time. He made the move to knight's shortly after our yearly tour (July 4th to October 31st) he hasn't been seen on the Rook side at all now a days . I guess he likes hanging out over there, he never talked to us all the while he was on our VOX which wasn't a problem as we use Teamspeak as a backup COM for our operations.
Title: Re: 49th Fighter Group Homecoming Mega B-29 Raid
Post by: Shuffler on January 12, 2016, 03:00:24 PM
For the folks who like rolling bases..... this is your time to rock.
Title: Re: 49th Fighter Group Homecoming Mega B-29 Raid
Post by: waystin2 on January 12, 2016, 03:17:09 PM
You guys do realize that with folks switching to oppose and participate that ENY will most likely keep you from using low ENY planes, right?
Title: Re: 49th Fighter Group Homecoming Mega B-29 Raid
Post by: JunkyII on January 12, 2016, 03:55:30 PM
I asked a simple question, instead of answering it you turn into an insult.
Title: Re: 49th Fighter Group Homecoming Mega B-29 Raid
Post by: Dundee on January 12, 2016, 08:52:08 PM
January 17 we will be doing some practice B-29 take off's and forming up into Combat Boxes for Operation Sledgehammer, if you have not passed along to the 49th you email address you will not know the time and place for the practice the49thfg@gmail.com is where you need to get a hold of us for mission updates
Title: Re: 49th Fighter Group Homecoming Mega B-29 Raid
Post by: Vudak on January 12, 2016, 09:42:27 PM
This sounds like fun! Thanks for putting it together. I don't blame you guys for not wanting to come in at 15k or less but I would suggest (if you are looking for a fight) that you come in somewhere reasonable - 25kish? something like that where people can be bothered to climb to you and your escorts can still be higher than you to intercept them. With enough speed and people most of you should get through, but if you don't, hey, it's a memorable way to lose some bomber perks.
If I'm around that night it would be fun to dust off a P-51 and try to escort you.
Title: Re: 49th Fighter Group Homecoming Mega B-29 Raid
Post by: Wizz on January 12, 2016, 09:47:34 PM
You have been around long enough to know the answer to this question buger face....
now that is an insult :cheers:
There will be absolutely no eny issues.
Buger face? Really?.... What in the hell word were you trying to spell :rofl So if you think other people from other countries switching over to the rocks to fly this mission won't affect the ENY ok guess we'll see.
Title: Re: 49th Fighter Group Homecoming Mega B-29 Raid
Post by: Canspec on January 12, 2016, 11:08:15 PM
Buger face? Really?.... What in the hell word were you trying to spell :rofl So if you think other people from other countries switching over to the rocks to fly this mission won't affect the ENY ok guess we'll see.
I literally wrote buger face just to see if you would react. Why does it always have to be a fight with lumber cutters like you?
Title: Re: 49th Fighter Group Homecoming Mega B-29 Raid
Post by: waystin2 on January 13, 2016, 06:24:11 AM
If we don't know you, you won't get the Information on when and where....We fly Knights 3 month out of the year...so we know quite of few Knights we can trust.
hehe r u sure-from what I hear nobody on knights like the 49'ers
and not many rooks
Title: Re: 49th Fighter Group Homecoming Mega B-29 Raid
Post by: lunatic1 on January 13, 2016, 02:41:18 PM
Now granted those were night raids so a 16,000 feet cap twice that of a night raid a fair compromise since we don't have night. Plus you get to do it in formations where this was done by individual aircraft alone.
in other words, you and shamus and your kind want them to fly low in your ack where youre doing circles as usual hiding.
man i hope i can resub and and eat you knuckleheads alive.
Title: Re: 49th Fighter Group Homecoming Mega B-29 Raid
Post by: lyric1 on January 13, 2016, 04:10:51 PM
Buger face? Really?.... What in the hell word were you trying to spell :rofl So if you think other people from other countries switching over to the rocks to fly this mission won't affect the ENY ok guess we'll see.
i wish my squad and many other would switch and sit in the tower and then go watch some tv or something. See how much fun they would have on their epic b5n raid
Title: Re: 49th Fighter Group Homecoming Mega B-29 Raid
Post by: Stang on January 14, 2016, 01:16:15 AM
If a large number switch to Rook ENY will most likely kick in, and pretty much any ENY will ground the B-29... If I remember correctly it's at ENY like other perk rides?
Title: Re: 49th Fighter Group Homecoming Mega B-29 Raid
Post by: scott66 on January 14, 2016, 11:05:07 AM
Sooooooo let me get this right..instead of getting achievements and perks and the chance to shoot down allot of 29s you rather switch sides to drive up the ENY to ground them? LMAO :headscratch:
Title: Re: 49th Fighter Group Homecoming Mega B-29 Raid
Post by: The Fugitive on January 14, 2016, 11:50:22 AM
Sooooooo let me get this right..instead of getting achievements and perks and the chance to shoot down allot of 29s you rather switch sides to drive up the ENY to ground them? LMAO :headscratch:
Unfortunately that is how most players play this game these days. This is no longer a combat sim, it's a game to see what you can do to get other players to quit.
Personally I have no intention of participating in the "mission" because it isn't my cup of tea. But it does seem that most people would have no problem switching sides to push the ENY up so they can't take the B29s. Of course, going by the 49rs thoughts on the game, it's a valid tactic as it isn't against the rules.
Title: Re: 49th Fighter Group Homecoming Mega B-29 Raid
Post by: Zoney on January 14, 2016, 12:05:49 PM
Enough already, knock it off !
I could care less if you choose to like the 49'ers or not. The fact of the matter is, they are at least attempting to bring the game a little something extra. A chance for those who have not been in a Mega Mission to participate in one, on either side.
Rule #1, Don't Be A Dick. That's an absolute minimum, how about throwing in "play nice" or "be nice" ?
If you or your squad are unable to bring the game up with your conduct, please, don't try to drag it down.
Wag more, Bark less.
Title: Re: 49th Fighter Group Homecoming Mega B-29 Raid
Post by: VuduVee on January 14, 2016, 12:15:50 PM
yeah i got tired of blathering about you hiders clucking and bawk bawking around in your ack.
Title: Re: 49th Fighter Group Homecoming Mega B-29 Raid
Post by: Shuffler on January 14, 2016, 12:40:41 PM
Not sure why folks worry about them at 30k. They have to get to 30k first. That will make a nice big dar. might even make several nice dar bars that would meet at a central location.
The hunt is on for those dar bars and groups of fighters can stand at the ready to react at a moments notice. Would be worth a long flight into the back field of the opponent to trounce on juicy 29s on the climb out.
P38, P47, and P51 have plenty of juice to fly back there and hunt for some time before having to return to base.
Title: Re: 49th Fighter Group Homecoming Mega B-29 Raid
Post by: scott66 on January 14, 2016, 12:48:38 PM
Unfortunately that is how most players play this game these days. This is no longer a combat sim, it's a game to see what you can do to get other players to quit.
Personally I have no intention of participating in the "mission" because it isn't my cup of tea. But it does seem that most people would have no problem switching sides to push the ENY up so they can't take the B29s. Of course, going by the 49rs thoughts on the game, it's a valid tactic as it isn't against the rules.
ya it just makes me see things a lil bit more clearly..all I hear is how the 49ers missions involve everything to avoid a fight and yet hear they are saying come join us or kill us and other players are considering switching sides and avoiding the fight hmmmm personally I plan on joining the mission in some capacity if I am in a b29 I can guarantee two things 1 my bombs will miss their target and 2 if I am engaged by enemy aircraft,I will die a horrible death but I can guarantee I will have fun
Title: Re: 49th Fighter Group Homecoming Mega B-29 Raid
Post by: mikev on January 14, 2016, 12:54:07 PM
ya it just makes me see things a lil bit more clearly..all I hear is how the 49ers missions involve everything to avoid a fight and yet hear they are saying come join us or kill us and other players are considering switching sides and avoiding the fight hmmmm personally I plan on joining the mission in some capacity if I am in a b29 I can guarantee two things 1 my bombs will miss their target and 2 if I am engaged by enemy aircraft,I will die a horrible death but I can guarantee I will have fun
so ya going to join the rooks just to fly with the 9ers
Title: Re: 49th Fighter Group Homecoming Mega B-29 Raid
Post by: scott66 on January 14, 2016, 01:05:22 PM
so ya going to join the rooks just to fly with the 9ers
for this one mission ,yup..never been a rook this should be interesting and fun ,Lookin forward to getting my balls busted when I switch back to bish again bish aren't known to be overly welcoming to a side switcher I've heard other bish really taking this game way to seriously
Title: Re: 49th Fighter Group Homecoming Mega B-29 Raid
Post by: VuduVee on January 14, 2016, 01:51:30 PM
all i see is an easy moder, runner/ganger/hider, deep in the safety of his own territory hiding from a fight, killing the game. spazzing out over 1 tank that will be lucky to take down 2% of that city.
Title: Re: 49th Fighter Group Homecoming Mega B-29 Raid
Post by: Lusche on January 14, 2016, 02:35:12 PM
all i see is an easy moder, runner/ganger/hider, deep in the safety of his own territory hiding from a fight, killing the game. spazzing out over 1 tank that will be lucky to take down 2% of that city.
A single tank without reloads can, depending on the model, kill up to about 25% of a city. Which has a significant impact on the game by adding 30 minutes of downtime to town objects and especially the HQ.
Title: Re: 49th Fighter Group Homecoming Mega B-29 Raid
Post by: Oldman731 on January 14, 2016, 09:55:50 PM
ya it just makes me see things a lil bit more clearly..all I hear is how the 49ers missions involve everything to avoid a fight and yet hear they are saying come join us or kill us and other players are considering switching sides and avoiding the fight hmmmm personally I plan on joining the mission in some capacity if I am in a b29 I can guarantee two things 1 my bombs will miss their target and 2 if I am engaged by enemy aircraft,I will die a horrible death but I can guarantee I will have fun
Well to avoid what you predict for your self we are going to have some practice in one of the training arenas, some of the objectives...... 1 to show you how to calibrate quickly and drop your ords and destroy what you intended to 2 Learning the Combat Box to maximize the gun coverage the 29's have
Title: Re: 49th Fighter Group Homecoming Mega B-29 Raid
Post by: BuckShot on January 15, 2016, 08:19:05 PM
Vulch it on the runway!
Title: Re: 49th Fighter Group Homecoming Mega B-29 Raid
Post by: dmdchief on January 15, 2016, 09:18:15 PM
Title: Re: 49th Fighter Group Homecoming Mega B-29 Raid
Post by: G0ALY on January 16, 2016, 12:21:37 PM
I like the idea, and I am glad to see the thought that is being put into a mission like this. But what if there is a small map in the LW arena on this date?
Title: Re: 49th Fighter Group Homecoming Mega B-29 Raid
Post by: molybdenum on January 16, 2016, 05:57:48 PM
for this one mission ,yup..never been a rook this should be interesting and fun ,Lookin forward to getting my balls busted when I switch back to bish again bish aren't known to be overly welcoming to a side switcher I've heard other bish really taking this game way to seriously
Lol, don't I know it. One bish won't even speak to me any more because I went nit for a day (and dared to hit a bish target) and others seemed outraged that I would even consider the thought! Ah, well, it's kind of amusing if you have a sense of humor and proportion. ;)
Title: Re: 49th Fighter Group Homecoming Mega B-29 Raid
Post by: Zimme83 on January 16, 2016, 06:31:05 PM
Side switchers should be banned :old:
Title: Re: 49th Fighter Group Homecoming Mega B-29 Raid
Post by: scott66 on January 16, 2016, 08:37:00 PM
:rofl :rofl well so be it lol I'm already being poked at jokingly for being a future and potential traitor lol all in fun..I have people I consider friends and all sides it's Nice to see them in green from time to time..let the games begin
Title: Re: 49th Fighter Group Homecoming Mega B-29 Raid
Post by: Dundee on January 26, 2016, 06:49:31 PM
On January 29th at 10/9 central time, the 49th Fighter Group will host a B-29 Homecoming Raid for our present and past members. The Raid will be open to all Rooks and other invited Knight Squads to join us in this epic mission. We made a video to kick off the registration for the event
Here is the practice for the mission
Title: Re: 49th Fighter Group Homecoming Mega B-29 Raid
Post by: Dundee on January 26, 2016, 07:11:51 PM
See Rule #7
Title: Re: 49th Fighter Group Homecoming Mega B-29 Raid
Post by: DubiousKB on January 27, 2016, 10:14:57 AM
Good, Bad, Ugly.... The 49's are simply trying to get involvement and some excitement about the ol' Main Arena.
Fact of the matter is, this two-weeker was hooked to the game by a similar, "MA Mission". . .
You don't like the 49's? They have given you a golden ticket to revenge... Love the 49's? They have given you a clear chance to fly with them... Don't care? Continue to play in your corner of the sandbox...
I like the comment earlier, wag more, bark less.
Looking forward to this no matter what.... :aok
Title: Re: 49th Fighter Group Homecoming Mega B-29 Raid
Post by: Zoney on January 27, 2016, 10:26:09 AM
2 days to go!
Title: Re: 49th Fighter Group Homecoming Mega B-29 Raid
Post by: Wizz on January 28, 2016, 07:56:14 PM
Title: Re: 49th Fighter Group Homecoming Mega B-29 Raid
Post by: HawkerMKII on January 28, 2016, 08:32:41 PM
Party in the rook O-Club tommorrow night brfore the mission....come one come all. We can all just SIT around and watch the mission unfold. Nits and bish invited only. Switch sides and support the 49's on their EPIC mission. Maybe if we get 40-50 side switchers we could all sit on the runway and watch them fly of into the sunset :cheers:
Title: Re: 49th Fighter Group Homecoming Mega B-29 Raid
Post by: scott66 on January 28, 2016, 09:00:59 PM
Party in the rook O-Club tommorrow night brfore the mission....come one come all. We can all just SIT around and watch the mission unfold. Nits and bish invited only. Switch sides and support the 49's on their EPIC mission. Maybe if we get 40-50 side switchers we could all sit on the runway and watch them fly of into the sunset :cheers:
great idea!! Then maybe the 49th would notice the number and ENY change and say hey 49ers let's all have some real fun and switch countries and leave all the runway sitters scratching their head.. :bhead :aok :bolt: as I see it..you can either up to fly with or escort them or up to try to kill them..or just do the status quo it's all up to you..I'm not Merlin or a 49er but I applaud them for enticing everyone in the MA to get on the same page united in a common goal join them or kill them..they posted their mission here..not like a big avoid contact and secret mission stuff.the fact they chose b29s should tell you something..if all they wanted to do was level something they could pick lancs or 17s instead of a yummy high perk ride that some would love to shoot down..again this is just IMHO
Title: Re: 49th Fighter Group Homecoming Mega B-29 Raid
Post by: SKULLY7 on January 28, 2016, 09:02:28 PM
LOL . You plan an epic mission that will run into fso time.
Bishops will be waiting for you.
Title: Re: 49th Fighter Group Homecoming Mega B-29 Raid
Post by: Dundee on January 28, 2016, 09:15:41 PM
Salute All! I'm really looking forward to this. Please clarify time to show up for Rook for B-29, what time Dallas time and where, thanks!
:airplane:
For information on the mission send an email to: the49thfg@gmail.com Be sure to include your game ID so we know who you are when the Mission Loads
Title: Re: 49th Fighter Group Homecoming Mega B-29 Raid
Post by: guncrasher on January 29, 2016, 11:51:28 PM
well I got 3 b29 kills. 2 from 49zero and one from ze. which came as a surprise. lost a p47m and a ta152.
semp
Title: Re: 49th Fighter Group Homecoming Mega B-29 Raid
Post by: rpm on January 30, 2016, 12:33:34 AM
Sorry I shot down your 29s. But to be fair the 5 escorts covering you should have done a better job shooting down 1 lil ol Typhie. :rofl
Nothing could be finer than to kill a 49er in his Tweeeeenty nine ♫
Title: Re: 49th Fighter Group Homecoming Mega B-29 Raid
Post by: Dundee on January 30, 2016, 01:37:20 AM
If you were not in the Late War arena on Friday January the 29th you missed an epic B-29 Raid......66 B-29's and we fought our way all the way to the target.........we're going over the films now and we are going to post some videos of the mission. I invite the Bishops to do the same as I am sure they have some great footage from their point of view. The mission from our point of view was a blast...........and we plan on doing another one on February 26th at about the same time. Again to everyone who participated Bishops and Rooks thanks for making it one heck of a mission, and fun to boot.
49Dundee 49th XO
Title: Re: 49th Fighter Group Homecoming Mega B-29 Raid
Post by: scott66 on January 30, 2016, 01:52:53 AM
I got over three hours of footage lol allot of bish and nit contact loved it!
Title: Re: 49th Fighter Group Homecoming Mega B-29 Raid
Post by: Harppa on January 30, 2016, 04:39:55 AM
What can I say, but THANKS 49ers !! Was great fun :aok Definately worth of waking up at 4.30 AM :D
Cheers! Harppa
Title: Re: 49th Fighter Group Homecoming Mega B-29 Raid
Post by: BuckShot on January 30, 2016, 07:26:33 AM
off map flying.... Lame and gamey.
Title: Re: 49th Fighter Group Homecoming Mega B-29 Raid
Post by: NatCigg on January 30, 2016, 07:33:24 AM
glad to hear it went well. :rock maybe ill be on next time. :joystick:
i got to ask ... how many did you la...no,no, um, did you bomb hq? :rofl
Title: Re: 49th Fighter Group Homecoming Mega B-29 Raid
Post by: Vudak on January 30, 2016, 07:36:14 AM
Yes, but on the other hand I get their point that as they were taking off there was already a group of 9-10 fighters nearby to intercept almost immediately. I was probably 3-4 sectors behind that group. It did suck because you spend 45+ minutes climbing to find them running into a zone where bullets apparently don't work, but then again it would also stink from their perspective.
A suggestion for next time, 49Dallas... Send a few of your better sticks out in 262's prior to your mission to intercept the interceptors... They don't even need to shoot anyone down. All they need to do is stay aggressive enough that the interceptors can't keep their speed/alt/heading. I mean you've seen how effective a 262 can be at breaking up a base assault if it just hangs out near the reinforcement stream. Same concept.
That will buy you guys some time to get some alt without being harassed immediately. It would also speak to effective use of strategy rather than game exploits...
Title: Re: 49th Fighter Group Homecoming Mega B-29 Raid
Post by: The Fugitive on January 30, 2016, 07:41:22 AM
Yes, but on the other hand I get their point that as they were taking off there was already a group of 9-10 fighters nearby to intercept almost immediately. I was probably 3-4 sectors behind that group. It did suck because you spend 45+ minutes climbing to find them running into a zone where bullets apparently don't work, but then again it would also stink from their perspective.
A suggestion for next time, 49Dallas... Send a few of your better sticks out in 262's prior to your mission to intercept the interceptors... They don't even need to shoot anyone down. All they need to do is stay aggressive enough that the interceptors can't keep their speed/alt/heading. I mean you've seen how effective a 262 can be at breaking up a base assault if it just hangs out near the reinforcement stream. Same concept.
That will buy you guys some time to get some alt without being harassed immediately. It would also speak to effective use of strategy rather than game exploits...
ahhhh come on Vudak, why should they actually play the game and use strategy instead of "gaming the game" which is soooooo much easier to do? It's how they play these days. If you CAN do it, it must be allowed.
They announce weeks in advance about their big mission, supposedly to generate some action and then they hide off map in a no damage zone bug. Typical :rolleyes:
Title: Re: 49th Fighter Group Homecoming Mega B-29 Raid
Post by: Vudak on January 30, 2016, 07:46:35 AM
ahhhh come on Vudak, why should they actually play the game and use strategy instead of "gaming the game" which is soooooo much easier to do? It's how they play these days. If you CAN do it, it must be allowed.
They announce weeks in advance about their big mission, supposedly to generate some action and then they hide off map in a no damage zone bug. Typical :rolleyes:
I give them credit for planning this. I think they didn't anticipate something that happened and did what they felt was their best option at the time. They, in the aggregate, have a less developed skill set than others, but they are working on it and improving, and their next mission will no doubt reflect lessons learned from this one :aok This is how you learn and develop that skill set...
Title: Re: 49th Fighter Group Homecoming Mega B-29 Raid
Post by: The Fugitive on January 30, 2016, 08:05:30 AM
I agree that these missions would be good for the MAs, I just fear that the players we have just dont want to advance like that. Here they prove that their first idea to counter the problem is a lame use of a known game issue.
These guys have been here long enough to know their way around the game and this is what they choose. These are the same guys who have spent countless hours driving to HQs and learned to range it without setting off the radar. Using techneks learned about artillery and applied them so that a line of GVs can hit the same target (HQ).
They fly tight formations at alt, defend well, and get to and hit their target more often than not. But the first thing they think of when the counter attack shows.... due to the major announcement, is to game the game. I cant believe that these guys didn't think they would have opposition as soon as anyone knew where they were upping from.
I do hope they improve as you say. It would be great for everyone.
Title: Re: 49th Fighter Group Homecoming Mega B-29 Raid
Post by: guncrasher on January 30, 2016, 08:08:31 AM
well dallas invited the pigs to join him and we did. we flew all the way to catch them taking off. their escort wasnt even ready yet. we killed several at 10k. we forced them off the map. had a guy trail them. we knew exactly where they were the whole time.
funniest thing is that we were on dar before they took off. and nobody intercepted us.
semp
Title: Re: 49th Fighter Group Homecoming Mega B-29 Raid
Post by: lyric1 on January 30, 2016, 09:29:36 AM
They announce weeks in advance about their big mission, supposedly to generate some action and then they hide off map in a no damage zone bug. Typical :rolleyes:
The problems that you run into with aiming for the mission being as realistic as possible.
So typical of this group. Glad I didn't even bother.
Title: Re: 49th Fighter Group Homecoming Mega B-29 Raid
Post by: Shamus on January 30, 2016, 09:47:55 AM
Early in this thread I posted that if they were gonna come in over 30k dont even bother announcing the mission, I am retracting that. While I agree that running off map was kind of a dweeby thing to do, over all that mission was fun to intercept.
Vudak has a good point and I hope that the 49th takes his advice about launching fighters to cap the launch field.
This made for a nice non FSO Friday. <S> 49th.
Title: Re: 49th Fighter Group Homecoming Mega B-29 Raid
Post by: Chris79 on January 30, 2016, 09:54:54 AM
well dallas invited the pigs to join him and we did. we flew all the way to catch them taking off. their escort wasnt even ready yet. we killed several at 10k. we forced them off the map. had a guy trail them. we knew exactly where they were the whole time.
funniest thing is that we were on dar before they took off. and nobody intercepted us.
semp
I was watching that day move around the map last night. I was unsure as to what was going with until I saw the nearby rook bases flash. I just wish you did not kill so many off them, by the time I got a 163 all I saw was 2 smoking rook 29's, one knit 262, and one knit 152.
Title: Re: 49th Fighter Group Homecoming Mega B-29 Raid
Post by: eddiek on January 30, 2016, 11:58:10 AM
Sounds like an interesting evening in the arena. I'm wanting to see how many of the 66 B-29's rtb'd. I like the overall idea of the raid. Reminds me of the old days when Mathman ran HQ missions. His were almost always the same......he would announce on the arena wide channel that he was organizing a raid, "Greeting hated enemies!.....", state his intentions, throw a salute out, and away they went. I was in The Assassins then, and we'd normally continue to furrball or whatever we were doing that night, while keeping an eye on the dar bar. You usually had half an hour to an hour before you needed to scramble for alt. Usually we'd hit the bomber stream at 20K, rarely higher than that. Cause I was such a Jug fan, our squad CO hblair would usually reach alt in his G10 several minutes before me, and would give us an estimate of bomber strength and escort types. The missions were fun, brought a lot of players together in those sectors, and from my memory, there were few if any hard feelings afterwards. Just my thoughts, but going off map is very gamey. The B29 has such massive defensive firepower.....to announce a mega raid weeks in advance, then go off map so you can't be killed....... :huh I'm hoping the economy and my own financial situation will improve such that I can return to the game. Reading these threads brings back a ton of memories, and makes me want to get involved again.
Title: Re: 49th Fighter Group Homecoming Mega B-29 Raid
Post by: rpm on January 30, 2016, 12:17:44 PM
Then they whine on 200 when you shoot them down while 5 escorts can't defend them against 1 Bish. "But you had alt and E advantage!" (http://raincityguide.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/no-crying-in-baseball.jpg)
Title: Re: 49th Fighter Group Homecoming Mega B-29 Raid
Post by: Dundee on January 30, 2016, 12:38:47 PM
Not half as lame as enemy fighters trying to vulch the take off, and over 20 163's at Bish HQ...one reason we went off the map, don't forget we published the time the mission rolled.....no one else has ever done that lately..........If the mission was lame, then the critics should show everyone how they would do it ( the sound of crickets )...............talk is cheap and actions speak louder than words. In the mean time we're planning another one for the last Friday in February
Title: Re: 49th Fighter Group Homecoming Mega B-29 Raid
Post by: 8thJinx on January 30, 2016, 12:41:26 PM
Not half as lame as enemy fighters trying to vulch the take off, and over 20 163's at Bish HQ...one reason we went off the map, don't forget we published the time the mission rolled.....no one else has ever done that lately..........If the mission was lame, then the critics should show everyone how they would do it ( the sound of crickets )...............talk is cheap and actions speak louder than words. In the mean time we're planning another one for the last Friday in February
No, going somewhere where a bug prevents rounds from having any effect is more lame than intercepting a mission earlier than the mission planers wanted, or 163's rolling from one of the few fields where they're enabled (and where the mission planners chose to fly near). You are not going to win that argument :)
You also don't get to claim crickets here as I explained out how I would have dealt with inbound fighters who had to travel 5-6 sectors to reach you and could be easily tracked, intercepted, and dealt with...
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A suggestion for next time, 49Dallas... Send a few of your better sticks out in 262's prior to your mission to intercept the interceptors... They don't even need to shoot anyone down. All they need to do is stay aggressive enough that the interceptors can't keep their speed/alt/heading. I mean you've seen how effective a 262 can be at breaking up a base assault if it just hangs out near the reinforcement stream. Same concept.
Title: Re: 49th Fighter Group Homecoming Mega B-29 Raid
Post by: Vudak on January 30, 2016, 01:17:45 PM
edit -double post.
Title: Re: 49th Fighter Group Homecoming Mega B-29 Raid
Post by: scott66 on January 30, 2016, 01:51:50 PM
Well I had a blast constant enemy contact and harassment is what I was looking for..I had no idea about the off the map bug and either did allot of the other 29s as we fire at this jug off the map I think he knew as he was just flying thru our formation until re entry..he didn't last long after we were back on the map..and no my 29s never made it back but landing wasn't an option as I realized I would be out of fuel somewhere over the target and that's what exactly happened..I did manage a few kills and allot of assists no damage on target as I think I missed but it was cool to see bish and nit 152s and jugs working side by side not engaging each other but taking turns on us..to me it was a complete success.it wasn't just about hitting strats it was about getting every side working together for one mission either kill or fly with them..it had that affect long after the mission was over..bishop re supped their strats and then flew retaliation strat runs against the rooks working together..this was just one mission on one map that by morning all was as it never happened it's not the end of the world :salute thank you 49ers I had fun!
Title: Re: 49th Fighter Group Homecoming Mega B-29 Raid
Post by: Dundee on January 30, 2016, 02:01:01 PM
No, going somewhere where a bug prevents rounds from having any effect is more lame than intercepting a mission earlier than the mission planers wanted, or 163's rolling from one of the few fields where they're enabled (and where the mission planners chose to fly near). You are not going to win that argument :)
You also don't get to claim crickets here as I explained out how I would have dealt with inbound fighters who had to travel 5-6 sectors to reach you and could be easily tracked, intercepted, and dealt with...
Hey I'm Old School...............show me.....Tell me... Vudak show me how well you run a mission........
Title: Re: 49th Fighter Group Homecoming Mega B-29 Raid
Post by: scott66 on January 30, 2016, 02:05:03 PM
:salute to our fighter escort as from what I was able to see they killed 9+ enemy Fighters before they got to me they were very busy and dealing with fuel issues as well..a learning experience for all I imagine
Title: Re: 49th Fighter Group Homecoming Mega B-29 Raid
Post by: Vudak on January 30, 2016, 02:12:37 PM
Hey I'm Old School...............show me.....Tell me... Vudak show me how well you run a mission........
If you want to learn how to run a mission you'd be better served listening to some of the guys who have commanded the scenarios in the past. They might even have access to the climbout times and distance for fighters under different engine settings and fuel loads.
Heck you could see for yourself today, I believe...
Or you could sit here and continue to whine. Your call!
Title: Re: 49th Fighter Group Homecoming Mega B-29 Raid
Post by: czpilot on January 30, 2016, 02:29:12 PM
Salute to 49th for organizing this mission! (http://forum.virtualfighters.cz/images/smilies/icon_salute.gif) This makes me even to resubscribe to join this mission (escort) at very early morning my time :D Well, flying off map is not maybe the best thing but on the other side - real B29 missions climbed to their operational alt so far from battlefield that anyway nobody could attack them during this climbing or take off. Moreover, flying off map did not prevent any attackers from taking high alt and wait for bombers to fly back on map. So I dont see any real point to complaint about it. Only laments that it might be easier to vulch B29s on take off or climbing :t
(Flying as czpetr1 now)
Title: Re: 49th Fighter Group Homecoming Mega B-29 Raid
Post by: Dundee on January 30, 2016, 03:31:31 PM
If you want to learn how to run a mission you'd be better served listening to some of the guys who have commanded the scenarios in the past. They might even have access to the climbout times and distance for fighters under different engine settings and fuel loads.
Heck you could see for yourself today, I believe...
Or you could sit here and continue to whine. Your call!
I'm not whining.........I'm just saying show me how you would do it better.........show us
Title: Re: 49th Fighter Group Homecoming Mega B-29 Raid
Post by: Mongoose on January 30, 2016, 03:50:58 PM
Despite all the complaints about flying off map, this was a lot of fun. Live and learn, and refine the process next time. I was too late to even see the B-29's, but I did get to intercept a few bandits who were trying to climb up to intercept them.
I look forward to more of these. Instead of complaining about some of the shortfalls, learn from it and correct next time.
:salute to all who were involved.
Title: Re: 49th Fighter Group Homecoming Mega B-29 Raid
Post by: Mongoose on January 30, 2016, 03:51:45 PM
One more note. This sort of event definitely makes you learn how to manage fuel.
Title: Re: 49th Fighter Group Homecoming Mega B-29 Raid
Post by: elc7367b on January 30, 2016, 04:12:11 PM
I'm not whining.........I'm just saying show me how you would do it better.........show us
dundee he already did. you guys should have had fighters intercepting us about 30 to 40 minutes before you took off. we took off a full hour before you did. we climbed to 30k. we knew which base you were taking off from, and no, it wasnt due to spies. on that map it was obvious you had to use a rear base and we do have guys who love to bomb so picking the base was easy.
so we climbed to 30k and split into 2 groups. headed to that particular base. like I said we flew over 3 cv groups and countless rook bases with full dar. not sure how you guys were surprised we hit you when you were around 10k. not like we flew noe. I never encountered any of your fighter cover till I made my first pass pass. it was funny as I forgot I was at 30k and dove straight down, almost flew right by you guys on the way to the ground. was able to control and got 49zero on my first pass. made a circle and got his other b29 as finally one of the 2 fighters I saw earlier got me. there was about 7 or 8 b29's in that group none of them fired at me.
like I said, it would have been different if you guys had sent your cover to intercept us 3 or 4 sectors away.
semp
Title: Re: 49th Fighter Group Homecoming Mega B-29 Raid
Post by: Dundee on January 30, 2016, 05:22:17 PM
If you want to learn how to run a mission you'd be better served listening to some of the guys who have commanded the scenarios in the past. They might even have access to the climbout times and distance for fighters under different engine settings and fuel loads.
Heck you could see for yourself today, I believe...
Or you could sit here and continue to whine. Your call!
I'm still waiting for your mission..........Please while I'm young
Title: Re: 49th Fighter Group Homecoming Mega B-29 Raid
Post by: HawkerMKII on January 30, 2016, 05:37:46 PM
I'm still waiting for your mission..........Please while I'm young
Post misssion...b17's 75% fuel....500lbs bombs...call out for joiners on country. Ask for escorts....joiners join....escorts up ahead of mission...20 sets of b17's lift.....climb up to 20k head on to 1 or 2 bases......fight your way into the target, lose some a/c (or all)...bomb target (maybe)...fight your way home, lose more a/c...hopefully land....if not HAVE FUN. This was the way ThundrEggs missions went. The 91st ran countless mission from 15k to 20k, not 30k. I am sure many people remember the 91st missions and hopefully had fun.
Title: Re: 49th Fighter Group Homecoming Mega B-29 Raid
Post by: Dundee on January 30, 2016, 06:00:27 PM
Thanks Hawker.......... but I'm wanting to join Vudak mission I want to learn how to run it the right way.
Title: Re: 49th Fighter Group Homecoming Mega B-29 Raid
Post by: guncrasher on January 30, 2016, 06:31:10 PM
Thanks Hawker.......... but I'm wanting to join Vudak mission I want to learn how to run it the right way.
If Dallas wants, I'll work with the 49th for the February 26 mission and help them plan the fighter sweeps.
I offer this because I have already given credit to the 49th in this thread for planning something fun and trying to learn, and I don't think it's fair to turn my back on all of them just because one idiot can't resist going after one of the few people being conciliatory to this group in this thread :aok
Title: Re: 49th Fighter Group Homecoming Mega B-29 Raid
Post by: rpm on January 30, 2016, 06:55:49 PM
This was the way ThundrEggs missions went. The 91st ran countless mission from 15k to 20k, not 30k. I am sure many people remember the 91st missions and hopefully had fun.
Please don't attempt to associate us with the 49ers. kthnksbye
Title: Re: 49th Fighter Group Homecoming Mega B-29 Raid
Post by: icepac on January 30, 2016, 07:14:56 PM
How many times in the real war did the enemy fly one way missions deep into enemy territory to vulch upping b29s?
Title: Re: 49th Fighter Group Homecoming Mega B-29 Raid
Post by: Dundee on January 30, 2016, 07:45:46 PM
If Dallas wants, I'll work with the 49th for the February 26 mission and help them plan the fighter sweeps.
I offer this because I have already given credit to the 49th in this thread for planning something fun and trying to learn, and I don't think it's fair to turn my back on all of them just because one idiot can't resist going after one of the few people being conciliatory to this group in this thread :aok
Title: Re: 49th Fighter Group Homecoming Mega B-29 Raid
Post by: 49MERLIN on January 30, 2016, 09:56:55 PM
<S>, Thanks to everyone who joined the mission. I had a blast and hope you did too! Have to say, it was nice to see the POTW in Bish 163s for the mission! This is not an after action report, but I figured I'd chime in on some things and set a few issues straight. 1. I, 49MERLIN, am the CO of the 49thFG and the planner and leader of the B-29 MEGA Mission. Any and all request to work with the 49th in the future, or criticism of the MEGA mission, should be directed at me alone. NOT 49Dallas. 2. I did "plan" on going off map for some of the ascent. This was a consideration should the map had been a small one, and so that we may have bleed more fuel from approaching fighters from traveling deeper in to our own territory. The reason we went off map last night was that it seemed easier to amass our formation on the heading I was currently on, and some of our B-29s had already been killed, so it seemed prudent to try to amass the formation as quickly as possible. FYI: It too over 15 minutes for all of the bombers to get airborne. 3. In hindsight, I could have directed us North and stayed on the map. For that I am sorry. I did not realize at the time how much of a "NO, NO" off map flying is, and that it would cause such an uproar. It was not done to "game" the game. 4. I had absolutely no clue that bullets did not work off map. I have been playing long enough to know that, I know, but it has honestly never come up, because if I am off map it is because I am afk. As soon as I found out I turned the group around. The enemy was stalking us anyway and we could not kill them, turning seemed prudent. 5. Yes, we knew there were interceptors IB. No, the 3 or 4 pilots that were up looking for them did not find them. Yes, I wish I had had the luxury of sending up a proper fighter cap before the mission, but I was trying to get the bomber numbers as high as possible, and therefore did not want to ask people to jump in to fighters. Also, launching a mission 200 miles behind your own lines no matter how much advertisement you have given it seems like a sad thing to do, and speaks much less of the community in my opinion. To each his own though I guess. Of all the 66 bombers that launched, only 6 were lost on ascent due to enemy fire/collision. 6. Personally, I considered getting that many bombers off the ground with reasonable frame rates, no discos, no crashes, and in a coordinated fashion a SUCCESS! Forming the group up after that while under fire was success number two. Anything that happened after that was a pure adrenaline thrill ride. AH sometimes is like a roller coaster that can last for hours and hours, even after you have logged off! 7. We had enough fuel to make it to target and back just fine! The problem, which is solely my fault and which I take complete responsibility for, as well as responsibility for its detrimental effects on the mission, was that we flew for about 80 to 120 miles in to a 30 knot headwind. Yep, I did it. I'm the love muffin that can't read his wind info right! I got two thumbs & I'm right here. Had we not done that fuel would have never been a concern. Please accept my deepest apologies the loss of you aircraft and perks due to my incompetence while under my leadership. Sirs, I am sorry. 8. To the Haters: Do you realize that negativity on these forums does not in anyway help to promote AH? For almost a year I've heard a lot of people talk a lot of "smack" about the 49thFG. The only thing they said that ever really concerned me was that somehow we were causing people to actually leave the game. At first, I did not believe that some of the mission types that we run would really cause people to end a subscription. I was apparently wrong. Please, know that the 49thFG is here to help enhance the community, not to destroy it! I would also like to point out that the people who are always on here talking "smack" never seem to think that trash talking the game and its squadrons is also detrimental to AH and causes people to unsubscribe. The things that have been said about the 49th alone should have caused me to unsubscribe a while ago, not to mention about me personally. I don't read or post here often. Much of that has to do with the fact that after 4 or 5 pages of reading a thread I want to stat an IntelliSearch and start knocking on doors! 9. Also to the Haters: I would like to formally announce to all that have said that the 49thFG causes people to leave AH that we can now confirm 1, yes one, person has resubscribed for a fact due to the 49thFG!!!!!!!!!!! gameid: czpetr1 has resubscribed due to the 49thFG, at least to join the MEGA mission, so that is +1 for the 49thFG! I also thought I saw two others who said they would consider resubscribing because of missions like this, so the 49thFG confirmed total so far is +1 & 2 maybes!!!! 10. Fugitive, I don't know what the 49thFG has done to you on some sort of a personal level, but I am free to talk about it whenever you get done stewing in it. Also, do your views of the 49th speak for all of the 47Ronin, or is it just your jaded opinion? By the way we are Rooks now, so you can lay off it whenever you like.
49MERLIN 49thFG CO
Title: Re: 49th Fighter Group Homecoming Mega B-29 Raid
Post by: DmonSlyr on January 30, 2016, 10:15:20 PM
I am happy you guys got to run your fun bomber mission mission. It's not real life. Perks are a joke and most in the game know that.
I think what your squad did was great. It was a great way to get the players coordinated.
There aren't many games where you can do such a feat. I don't think there is any game that can actually achieve this.
Let me say, there is certain maps where you cannot achive this sort of mission.
Don't let this hurt you. I hope this makes you better at the "game".
Next time I think y'all just need to work on gunnery.
I hope to see many more missions like this. For one, just so I can have some planes to shoot down. :) but It really does bring the community together.
Most of us realise that the 49th is still " new" to the game. Even though most of us talk smack, deep down they just want to be apart of making things better.
I've been at this game a long time. Squads like yours really bring the game together. It's nice to be hated for being the "bad guy". We need you for our own rush.
Keep at it and don't quit just because. This an opportunity to develop your skills.
This is one game that really an truelly takes years to be good at on all levels.
Title: Re: 49th Fighter Group Homecoming Mega B-29 Raid
Post by: 49Dallas on January 30, 2016, 10:24:56 PM
Yes, but on the other hand I get their point that as they were taking off there was already a group of 9-10 fighters nearby to intercept almost immediately. I was probably 3-4 sectors behind that group. It did suck because you spend 45+ minutes climbing to find them running into a zone where bullets apparently don't work, but then again it would also stink from their perspective.
A suggestion for next time, 49Dallas... Send a few of your better sticks out in 262's prior to your mission to intercept the interceptors... They don't even need to shoot anyone down. All they need to do is stay aggressive enough that the interceptors can't keep their speed/alt/heading. I mean you've seen how effective a 262 can be at breaking up a base assault if it just hangs out near the reinforcement stream. Same concept.
That will buy you guys some time to get some alt without being harassed immediately. It would also speak to effective use of strategy rather than game exploits...
We had several fighters up well before the mission took off. There were two jugs that came in probably 30 minutes before the mission even took off. Not much you can do when you have 15 darbars came half way across the map to kill you before you've already taken off.
To those of you who complain about the mission being a failure:
The mission was a great success any way you look at it. The 49ThFg achieved all goals of the mission.
0. Do something that hasn't been done in a long time. 1. Have fun 2. Don't lose any 29's on takeoff 3. Have fun 4. Hit our targets 5. Have fun 6. Get as many 29's as possible safely landed
There were 23 163s I counted. I personally killed five 163s. What few of us actually made it back were vulched by people like hotdogkid. For example we had one 29 dead stick on final and he gets vulched probably 400 from the runway.
If you're going to complain about a bad mission, I highly suggest you try to put as much effort into one as the 49ThFg has on this mission, Make sure you publicly announce it a month in advance too.
I am happy you guys got to run your fun bomber mission mission. It's not real life. Perks are a joke and most in the game know that.
I think what your squad did was great. It was a great way to get the players coordinated.
There aren't many games where you can do such a feat. I don't think there is any game that can actually achieve this.
Let me say, there is certain maps where you cannot achive this sort of mission.
Don't let this hurt you. I hope this makes you better at the "game".
Next time I think y'all just need to work on gunnery.
I hope to see many more missions like this. For one, just so I can have some planes to shoot down. :) but It really does bring the community together.
Most of us realise that the 49th is still " new" to the game. Even though most of us talk smack, deep down they just want to be apart of making things better.
I've been at this game a long time. Squads like yours really bring the game together. It's nice to be hated for being the "bad guy". We need you for our own rush.
Keep at it and don't quit just because. This an opportunity to develop your skills.
This is one game that really an truelly takes years to be good at on all levels.
This mission was possible on any map.
Our gunnery was just fine thank you very much.
If you're going to complain about the mission why don't you try making one? If you want to see more please provide constructive criticism and don't wine about it.
The 49ThFg is not a new squad.
Do not belittle us.
Title: Re: 49th Fighter Group Homecoming Mega B-29 Raid
Post by: DmonSlyr on January 30, 2016, 10:28:43 PM
I don't think think you should have attacked the HQ, and you should have taken off from the opposite side of map as soon as you realised people were flying towards you, that's my only gripe.
Title: Re: 49th Fighter Group Homecoming Mega B-29 Raid
Post by: Vudak on January 30, 2016, 10:30:57 PM
You guys had fun, thats all that matters! <S>
I only mentioned what i did given you guys were saying in game you went off map due to being bounced.
Title: Re: 49th Fighter Group Homecoming Mega B-29 Raid
Post by: guncrasher on January 30, 2016, 10:36:30 PM
dallas the mission was a lot of fun. I had fun, it's hard to argue how to make the mission any different but lots of us knew the only possible base you could up from.
so we upped in such a way as to intercept you while you where taking off. the base you took of from is the same base we knew you would take off from. and it had uppers 45 minutes before the main mission was up. I didnt see any interceptors till I dove in from 30k and almost went into the ground. either way, I flew 3 intercept missions into you guys. not at any time I was stopped by any of your fighter cover. you could say it was luck, I would say even if I had seen them I would have just flown past them and into the b29's.
great fight, we killed as many as we could. but just like everybody else, how many actually did make it to base?
semp
Title: Re: 49th Fighter Group Homecoming Mega B-29 Raid
Post by: 49Dallas on January 30, 2016, 10:54:23 PM
dallas the mission was a lot of fun. I had fun, it's hard to argue how to make the mission any different but lots of us knew the only possible base you could up from.
so we upped in such a way as to intercept you while you where taking off. the base you took of from is the same base we knew you would take off from. and it had uppers 45 minutes before the main mission was up. I didnt see any interceptors till I dove in from 30k and almost went into the ground. either way, I flew 3 intercept missions into you guys. not at any time I was stopped by any of our fighter cover. you could say it was luck, I would say even if I had seen them I would have just flown past them and into the b29's.
great fight, we killed as many as we could. but just like everybody else, how many actually did make it to base?
semp
I can tell you for a fact that we had high escorts at takeoff. Like any fighter screen, some will get through as unfortunate as it was. I think about four made it back, I'm not sure.
Title: Re: 49th Fighter Group Homecoming Mega B-29 Raid
Post by: Hajo on January 30, 2016, 11:18:16 PM
I must congratulate the 49'ers for taking the mundane out of the game at least for a little while. You broadcast you were coming, and encouraged interception and escort.
Well done! I don't care if someone went so far off map they flew to the ND Isles Terrain. You made some fun, more of this should be done to make the game interesting.
Well done! I've been doing this for well over 20yrs. Wish more squadron based creativity would happen such as this. It sure isn't boring and it is refreshing to see something rarely
done. Remember this to all............no one should dictate how you should play.
Title: Re: 49th Fighter Group Homecoming Mega B-29 Raid
Post by: rvflyer on January 30, 2016, 11:51:29 PM
Just in case you missed it he already did say what he would do.
Thanks Hawker.......... but I'm wanting to join Vudak mission I want to learn how to run it the right way.
Title: Re: 49th Fighter Group Homecoming Mega B-29 Raid
Post by: Mongoose on January 31, 2016, 01:05:59 AM
Merlin, this was a good thing you guys did, and don't let anyone tell you different!
You got a lot of people involved. There was a lot of action, and it was fun.
Regarding point #8, and your missions causing people to quit Aces High. If this sort of mission will cause someone to quit, then there is nothing you can do to keep that person playing anyway. This kind of action is more likely to gain players than lose them.
As for any mistakes that were made, live and learn. Let's all have a good laugh over it, and make adjustments next time.
:salute
Title: Re: 49th Fighter Group Homecoming Mega B-29 Raid
Post by: rpm on January 31, 2016, 01:43:51 AM
2. I did "plan" on going off map 49MERLIN 49thFG CO
Not often you get people that admit to chea... umm, exploiting a flaw in the game to their advantage. But if that's what it takes for you to "win", well it just about says it all about you and your squad. Any other bugs you've found and plan to exploit?
Title: Re: 49th Fighter Group Homecoming Mega B-29 Raid
Post by: pipz on January 31, 2016, 04:31:16 AM
The 49th gave you guys exactly what you wanted and some are still complaining? I love people! :rock
BTW I shoulda been CO of the 49erz but Dallas wouldn't have it! :old: :)
Title: Re: 49th Fighter Group Homecoming Mega B-29 Raid
Post by: scott66 on January 31, 2016, 05:08:10 AM
Hey rpm, ummm Merlin also said this.. 4. " I had absolutely no clue that bullets did not work off map. I have been playing long enough to know that, I know, but it has honestly never come up, because if I am off map it is because I am afk. As soon as I found out I turned the group around. The enemy was stalking us anyway and we could not kill them, turning seemed prudent" end quote.........the bug can only help you only if your bullets work and the enemy's don't Sooooooo how did Merlin exploit this bug ? Just asking..you see we all were firing at the jug wondering wth?? If I wanted to exploit that bug and assuming I knew about it I would stay off map until fighter escort arrived and then drag him back on map for the kill..but that didn't happen..we fired we found out we got back on map he followed b29s Tore him to shreds on his first pass back on map..the end P.S.someone also noted an apparent loss of fuel when you cross the map line approx 1 hr ..must check this out for meself..do we get it back when we come back on map or is some sort of toll we pay? Hmm
Title: Re: 49th Fighter Group Homecoming Mega B-29 Raid
Post by: scott66 on January 31, 2016, 05:35:56 AM
For the record I don't think it's a " bug" at all.. I think it was put there on purpose by HTC as part of some evil Conspiracy to keep the fighting on the map where it belongs..round 1 goes to Texas :devil :joystick:
Title: Re: 49th Fighter Group Homecoming Mega B-29 Raid
Post by: DmonSlyr on January 31, 2016, 08:19:47 AM
If you're going to complain about the mission why don't you try making one? If you want to see more please provide constructive criticism and don't wine about it.
The 49ThFg is not a new squad.
Do not belittle us.
Well first off, no, it's not smart to run this "mission" on any map.
Secondly, if your gunnery "was just fine" I'm pretty sure more of your bombers would have made it home or further in the mission, or at least not have had to fly of the map. You were in the most deadliest bombers in the game.
Thirdly, your squad has been in the game maybe 2 -3 years, most of you guys are still pretty much "new". I can tell by the fact that you still go for HQ even though it's pretty much the least strategic target on the map, and by the fact that most of y'all (not all) have level 2 out 10 ACM skills because most of y'all do not have much air combat experience in AH. Most of you are still learning the fine points of the game and the flight model. You've flown FSO for like maybe a year, compared to many of the people on these boards who have flown it for 7-15 years. Think about it.
That's why your mission got jumped.
That's why you flew off the map.
That's why most of you or all your bombers didn't make it home.
I wasn't "complaning" infact I was trying to be nice and provide some feedback from my long standing experience as to why your mission got vulched. You could have easily spotted it and rolled your mission from the other side of your territory thus giving your bombers a longer chance to get alt and outsmart the incoming planes who were already in route to vulch.
I was actually honoring your "attempt" as something fun for the game, but your remark ticked me off and reaks of "I know everything about missions so don't say chit". So I could care less about your squads success now, and will continue to enjoy shooting most of you down when ever I get the opportunity. All we have done is provide some experienced productive feedback about your mission and instead of using it to better your squad, you will still use the same noobish tactics and thus continue to be mediocre at the game.
Title: Re: 49th Fighter Group Homecoming Mega B-29 Raid
Post by: icepac on January 31, 2016, 11:14:51 AM
Well first off, no, it's not smart to run this "mission" on any map.
Secondly, if your gunnery "was just fine" I'm pretty sure more of your bombers would have made it home or further in the mission, or at least not have had to fly of the map. You were in the most deadliest bombers in the game.
Thirdly, your squad has been in the game maybe 2 -3 years, most of you guys are still pretty much "new". I can tell by the fact that you still go for HQ even though it's pretty much the least strategic target on the map, and by the fact that most of y'all (not all) have level 2 out 10 ACM skills because most of y'all do not have much air combat experience in AH. Most of you are still learning the fine points of the game and the flight model. You've flown FSO for like maybe a year, compared to many of the people on these boards who have flown it for 7-15 years. Think about it.
That's why your mission got jumped.
That's why you flew off the map.
That's why most of you or all your bombers didn't make it home.
I wasn't "complaning" infact I was trying to be nice and provide some feedback from my long standing experience as to why your mission got vulched. You could have easily spotted it and rolled your mission from the other side of your territory thus giving your bombers a longer chance to get alt and outsmart the incoming planes who were already in route to vulch.
I was actually honoring your "attempt" as something fun for the game, but your remark ticked me off and reaks of "I know everything about missions so don't say chit". So I could care less about your squads success now, and will continue to enjoy shooting most of you down when ever I get the opportunity. All we have done is provide some experienced productive feedback about your mission and instead of using it to better your squad, you will still use the same noobish tactics and thus continue to be mediocre at the game.
We've been a squad for about eight years. I've been in the squad for about four. I could dig up old emails but you're not worth the time.
Our gunnery was just fine. We killed countless numbers of 152's, jugs, and 163's. The B-29 does have one of the best defensive gun packages in the game, But it means nothing when you're overwhelmed. You barley put a dent in us before we got over your strats and you upped at least 23 163's. I shot down five 163's and one 152. Our gunnery was just fine thank you very much.
Our ACM as a group is just fine. Sure we have some people who aren't aces but we do have some very good fighter pilots. Our squad isn't focused on ACM or fighters so you really can't talk crap. Our squad is about having fun and doing whatever we like.
The fact that you're crying about the HQ means that it is indeed a strategic target.
We've been flying FSO for a long time, usually with about 15 people. 8/8/2008 we had 9 people in FSO. Try again smart guy.
We got jumped because we made our mission public for a month before we launched it.
We flew off the map, as planned from the start.
Had had a few bombers make it home, Even less landed due to vulching on final. This was because there were at least 23 163's that upped to kill us. You barley touched us before we got within 163 range.
We know exactly what we're doing. In fact we knew there would be a horde of 163's, so we took out the fuel at the 163 base before our main mission got there. The fuel was resupplied before we got there too.
You complain about our mission, But you don't provide constructive criticism. You bash the 49ThFg, but you know nothing about it. I can't decide if you're a troll or an idiot.
Title: Re: 49th Fighter Group Homecoming Mega B-29 Raid
Post by: BuckShot on January 31, 2016, 02:39:33 PM
Constructive criticism: next time don't plan a mission on which success relies upon a bug exploit, and you won't catch flak about it.
Maybe you could have the mission take off from different fields in flights of five or less, and then rendezvous. Make it complex. Take off from several fields, form two or more flights, and then all meet up at altitude. There ya go. The offmap crap was the ONLY bitter aspect of that bitter sweet mission.
Title: Re: 49th Fighter Group Homecoming Mega B-29 Raid
Post by: scott66 on January 31, 2016, 02:56:41 PM
Again..it's probably not a bug it's a feature and I'm assuming you mean taking advantage of that feature by saying exploit so I'm just curious in what way did they take advantage of that feature? How did it help them? Nobody can kill nobody off map unless you make them auger at 20k (we were still climbing on first encounter) or run them out of fuel neither of which happened as we found out about the feature we immediately turned back on map....maybe I'm missing something someone please enlighten me
Title: Re: 49th Fighter Group Homecoming Mega B-29 Raid
Post by: The Fugitive on January 31, 2016, 02:59:39 PM
We've been a squad for about eight years. I've been in the squad for about four. I could dig up old emails but you're not worth the time.
Our gunnery was just fine. We killed countless numbers of 152's, jugs, and 163's. The B-29 does have one of the best defensive gun packages in the game, But it means nothing when you're overwhelmed. You barley put a dent in us before we got over your strats and you upped at least 23 163's. I shot down five 163's and one 152. Our gunnery was just fine thank you very much.
Our ACM as a group is just fine. Sure we have some people who aren't aces but we do have some very good fighter pilots. Our squad isn't focused on ACM or fighters so you really can't talk crap. Our squad is about having fun and doing whatever we like.
The fact that you're crying about the HQ means that it is indeed a strategic target.
We've been flying FSO for a long time, usually with about 15 people. 8/8/2008 we had 9 people in FSO. Try again smart guy.
We got jumped because we made our mission public for a month before we launched it.
We flew off the map, as planned from the start.
Had had a few bombers make it home, Even less landed due to vulching on final. This was because there were at least 23 163's that upped to kill us. You barley touched us before we got within 163 range.
We know exactly what we're doing. In fact we knew there would be a horde of 163's, so we took out the fuel at the 163 base before our main mission got there. The fuel was resupplied before we got there too.
You complain about our mission, But you don't provide constructive criticism. You bash the 49ThFg, but you know nothing about it. I can't decide if you're a troll or an idiot.
Constructive criticism: next time don't plan a mission on which success relies upon a bug exploit, and you won't catch flak about it.
Maybe you could have the mission take off from different fields in flights of five or less, and then rendezvous. Make it complex. Take off from several fields, form two or more flights, and then all meet up at altitude. There ya go. The offmap crap was the ONLY bitter aspect of that bitter sweet mission.
It took about 15 minutes for all flights to take off. We had three flights.
Again..it's probably not a bug it's a feature and I'm assuming you mean taking advantage of that feature by saying exploit so I'm just curious in what way did they take advantage of that feature? How did it help them? Nobody can kill nobody off map unless you make them auger at 20k (we were still climbing on first encounter) or run them out of fuel neither of which happened as we found out about the feature we immediately turned back on map....maybe I'm missing something someone please enlighten me
Look at the comparative range of the b29 against the interceptors and think about who stands to gain an advantage hanging around off the map. That's the issue... you fly 30 to 45 minutes expecting a fight and they run over to where it can't happen.
That is why people are annoyed.
With that said, it is very possible that Merlin really didn't realize ammo is ineffective off map, and this is already two days old, so who gives a damn at this point anyway. If it doesn't happen next time, no harm no foul in my book...
Title: Re: 49th Fighter Group Homecoming Mega B-29 Raid
Post by: DmonSlyr on January 31, 2016, 04:06:43 PM
We've been a squad for about eight years. I've been in the squad for about four. I could dig up old emails but you're not worth the time.
Our gunnery was just fine. We killed countless numbers of 152's, jugs, and 163's. The B-29 does have one of the best defensive gun packages in the game, But it means nothing when you're overwhelmed. You barley put a dent in us before we got over your strats and you upped at least 23 163's. I shot down five 163's and one 152. Our gunnery was just fine thank you very much.
Our ACM as a group is just fine. Sure we have some people who aren't aces but we do have some very good fighter pilots. Our squad isn't focused on ACM or fighters so you really can't talk crap. Our squad is about having fun and doing whatever we like.
The fact that you're crying about the HQ means that it is indeed a strategic target.
We've been flying FSO for a long time, usually with about 15 people. 8/8/2008 we had 9 people in FSO. Try again smart guy.
We got jumped because we made our mission public for a month before we launched it.
We flew off the map, as planned from the start.
Had had a few bombers make it home, Even less landed due to vulching on final. This was because there were at least 23 163's that upped to kill us. You barley touched us before we got within 163 range.
We know exactly what we're doing. In fact we knew there would be a horde of 163's, so we took out the fuel at the 163 base before our main mission got there. The fuel was resupplied before we got there too.
You complain about our mission, But you don't provide constructive criticism. You bash the 49ThFg, but you know nothing about it. I can't decide if you're a troll or an idiot.
I will refrain from calling you what I wish so that I do not get "see rule #4" but in retrospect you sound like a child.
No one is here "complaining", go read what I initially wrote.
I wasn't even there, but based on what I gather your mission pretty much failed, other than " you had fun" and had a good turn out of pilots, who all got shot down :rofl
Your point of attacking the HQ is F ing stupid. It doesn't help your team win the map, it can be resuplied in under 30 min. It only eliminates dar and does nothing else to support base taking. Hello.... The bases still flash, dee dee dee. Let me ask, in the time you did or didn't kill HQ, (I'm not sure if you even made it) how many bases were captured by your team 30 minutes later?
You fly your bombers straight into a birds nest of 163s, gee that's smart, what could possibly go wrong? "We hit their gas but it was ressuped immediately" no crap Sherlock, how did you not expect that? Everyone knew it was you.
You could have used all of those bombers to destroy an entire front of base towns, fighter hangers, vehicle hangers, and destroyed the city so towns take longer to pop. Then your country men would have a very easy time capturing bases. But ohh noo, we are going to be selfish noobs and destroy a HQ that takes maybe 3 bombers in total to take down, while we watch players log off in bordem after. If your idea of winning a map is successful by watching players log off than you again arent doing anything strategic at all, you are just making the game less fun to play. (Ie. you win maps because people log off instead of winning the map based on strategic concepts that allow you to take bases more quickly, even if there are a lot of players on).
Does anyone here have any recollection of the 49th being around for 8 years? So in 2015 y'all just decided to attack the HQ every day and make yourself known on the BBs? The past 7 years your squad has barely even been recognized until the past 8 months rather?
Let's face it, besides the player turn out and the enjoyment of flying 30-40 bombers, what did the overall mission actually achieve on the map? So far I am hearing very little. An HQ kill and a gas strat that was easily ressuped? That's it? I mean come on dude, we both know you could have planned a much more strategic riad that would have benefited your mission goers and country men much more, along with possibly winning the map quickly after. You obviously have ignored everyone's advice here, attempt to game the game so your squad could even make it to the strats successfully, and don't even tower out and roll at another base while you watched red dar bars heading right toward you?
You got jumped because you don't know enough about the game yet, face it, it's not because you posted your mission plans here. Man up and face the fact that you still have more learning to do and to not get hurt or quit over critisisms. That's all my original post intended to mean, but you are acting like I'm shunning you. Now I am shunning you because of what your reply was to that. Trust me, you do not want to argue with me about this because I know more about the game than you and how to be more successful in all aspects of flying. You got me on the tanking part, but I don't waste my time in air combat game.
Stop acting immature and learn from your mistakes and respect what people have to say so your missions are more successful on the map as well as with your peers.
Title: Re: 49th Fighter Group Homecoming Mega B-29 Raid
Post by: scott66 on January 31, 2016, 04:20:01 PM
Look at the comparative range of the b29 against the interceptors and think about who stands to gain an advantage hanging around off the map. That's the issue... you fly 30 to 45 minutes expecting a fight and they run over to where it can't happen.
That is why people are annoyed.
With that said, it is very possible that Merlin really didn't realize ammo is ineffective off map, and this is already two days old, so who gives a damn at this point anyway. If it doesn't happen next time, no harm no foul in my book...
gotcha thanks bud ,Merlin has already stated in His post he didn't know about the ammo being ineffective off map :salute
Title: Re: 49th Fighter Group Homecoming Mega B-29 Raid
Post by: JunkyII on January 31, 2016, 04:42:55 PM
Dallas, "you bash but don't give constructive criticism"
You dont read too well aye? Some of the first posts were exactly that and you came back defensive like the little cry baby you are.
Flying off map = lame
Hope to see more of these types of missions just with mistakes learned fixed next time...so as to A still have an effective mission and B not game the game or ruin another's fun in the game.
Title: Re: 49th Fighter Group Homecoming Mega B-29 Raid
Post by: VolsCAF on January 31, 2016, 09:58:26 PM
Don't post in here often but I thought the raid was brilliant. Nice change of pace and interesting twist to the rather redundant MA experience. All the other junk aside, thanks for organizing and pulling it off. Like everyone, I have opinions about stuff that goes on in AH but I try to remember it's a game. Getting people to agree on anything around here is worse than trying to get something positive out of DC. No matter what you do, someone won't like it. Count on it.
<S> 49'rs
Gooz
Title: Re: 49th Fighter Group Homecoming Mega B-29 Raid
Post by: 49Dallas on February 01, 2016, 01:21:23 AM
I will refrain from calling you what I wish so that I do not get "see rule #4" but in retrospect you sound like a child.
No one is here "complaining", go read what I initially wrote.
I wasn't even there, but based on what I gather your mission pretty much failed, other than " you had fun" and had a good turn out of pilots, who all got shot down :rofl
Your point of attacking the HQ is F ing stupid. It doesn't help your team win the map, it can be resuplied in under 30 min. It only eliminates dar and does nothing else to support base taking. Hello.... The bases still flash, dee dee dee. Let me ask, in the time you did or didn't kill HQ, (I'm not sure if you even made it) how many bases were captured by your team 30 minutes later?
You fly your bombers straight into a birds nest of 163s, gee that's smart, what could possibly go wrong? "We hit their gas but it was ressuped immediately" no crap Sherlock, how did you not expect that? Everyone knew it was you.
You could have used all of those bombers to destroy an entire front of base towns, fighter hangers, vehicle hangers, and destroyed the city so towns take longer to pop. Then your country men would have a very easy time capturing bases. But ohh noo, we are going to be selfish noobs and destroy a HQ that takes maybe 3 bombers in total to take down, while we watch players log off in bordem after. If your idea of winning a map is successful by watching players log off than you again arent doing anything strategic at all, you are just making the game less fun to play. (Ie. you win maps because people log off instead of winning the map based on strategic concepts that allow you to take bases more quickly, even if there are a lot of players on).
Does anyone here have any recollection of the 49th being around for 8 years? So in 2015 y'all just decided to attack the HQ every day and make yourself known on the BBs? The past 7 years your squad has barely even been recognized until the past 8 months rather?
Let's face it, besides the player turn out and the enjoyment of flying 30-40 bombers, what did the overall mission actually achieve on the map? So far I am hearing very little. An HQ kill and a gas strat that was easily ressuped? That's it? I mean come on dude, we both know you could have planned a much more strategic riad that would have benefited your mission goers and country men much more, along with possibly winning the map quickly after. You obviously have ignored everyone's advice here, attempt to game the game so your squad could even make it to the strats successfully, and don't even tower out and roll at another base while you watched red dar bars heading right toward you?
You got jumped because you don't know enough about the game yet, face it, it's not because you posted your mission plans here. Man up and face the fact that you still have more learning to do and to not get hurt or quit over critisisms. That's all my original post intended to mean, but you are acting like I'm shunning you. Now I am shunning you because of what your reply was to that. Trust me, you do not want to argue with me about this because I know more about the game than you and how to be more successful in all aspects of flying. You got me on the tanking part, but I don't waste my time in air combat game.
Stop acting immature and learn from your mistakes and respect what people have to say so your missions are more successful on the map as well as with your peers.
My brain hurts after reading this.
If you weren't there why are you commenting? You have your facts wrong. Our mission was successful and we did have pilots successfully land.
The HQ is a strategic target or you wouldn't even be talking about it. The HQ can stop attacks and allow for the easier taking of bases.
We did fly our mission straight into a horde of at least 23 163's. I knew this would happen since the day the mission was conceived. We tried to prepare by taking out the fuel strat and the fuel at the 163 base to lessen the 163's fuel time.
You tell me that our mission should've hit the city and front line bases to try to win the map? I hate to break it to you but our mission hit the city.
I'm not even going to comment. You're an idiot.
What the mission achieved: First and foremost we had fun. This game is about having fun and it should always be the priority. We hit our targets. We got as many bombers home as possible. We kept probably 40-40 people busy fighting our mission. The bish never took any of our bases while we were on our mission, Like that had promised to do. We also managed to break the day to day monotony with something new, A mega mission.
If you want to know what we achieved you should've been there rather than crying about it after the fact and using false information.
"We both know you could've planned a much more strategic raid" You know, It doesn't get much more strategic than hitting the strats. Strats a.k.a. strategic targets.
"You don't even tower out and roll at another base" It really would've made no difference. Interceptors covered half our country, Any base we would've upped from they would've came to. It's not hard to see a darbar and go to it.
"You got jumped because you don't know enough about the game yet, face it, it's not because you posted your mission plans here." You're really smart. A squad of people who intercepted us shortly after takeoff, directly said they did so because we announced the mission in a previous post.
"Trust me, you do not want to argue with me about this because I know more about the game than you and how to be more successful in all aspects of flying." That's cute. Just because all you do is fly fighters means nothing. I do everything this game has to offer and I do it well. Just because I can't beat the top 10% of fighters who've been playing for 15 years and this and that and yada yada means nothing, I'm a balanced player. Fighter pilots are going to be good in fighters. You say you know more about the game, But you're obviously lost on a few things. For one you didn't know the city was a strategic target, Much like the HQ. Secondly you seemingly don't know who the 49ThFG is, Or how long it's been around. Lastly and most importantly you think you could make a better mission than us. I challenge you to do just that. Make a better mission than us. You must publicly announce it one month ahead of the launch date on the forums. You must not go off the map. This mission must be a bomber mission. The gauntlet has been thrown down, You must prove yourself.
"Stop acting immature and learn from your mistakes and respect what people have to say so your missions are more successful on the map as well as with your peers." Maybe you should take your own advice. :aok
Title: Re: 49th Fighter Group Homecoming Mega B-29 Raid
Post by: DubiousKB on February 01, 2016, 09:07:13 AM
OMFG.... you people...
People not involved complaining, people involved that knew the plan complaining, people complaining other people are complaining...
With the posts in this thread alone I see why people are soured and have no desire to be a part of this forum... Idiots will always drag you down to their level and simply beat you with experience, don't bother Dallas.....
I switched countries for the first time in the MA to join this mission. I dont' care that i got shredded by 163's at the end, we had an hour an a half of tense moments with various fighters intercepting our bomber group.
To those who are CRYING cheat regarding going off map, if we wanted to cheat in that fashion you would have seen the whole group travel off map... but did that happen> NO. we turned around a half sector over the line after realizing that no guns work, and our tail group had caught up. SO, To the whiner that flew across the map who A: didn't get a b-29 vulch on takeoff, and B: saw the group go off map for 7.36minutes whilst worrying about their own fuel? Sounds like you didn't game the mission right bro? you mad bro?
To the whiner that wasn't a part of this in any way shape or form, why do we care what you think?
This knit had fun for a night as a rook, thanks 49th for giving us a chance to group up, for whatever the reason. :aok
PS Merlin, you want film? I ended up with 4-5 split up films up until my b-29 was only a falling fuselage....
Title: Re: 49th Fighter Group Homecoming Mega B-29 Raid
Post by: stabbyy on February 01, 2016, 09:25:29 AM
SO, To the whiner that flew across the map who A: didn't get a b-29 vulch on takeoff, and B: saw the group go off map for 7.36minutes whilst worrying about their own fuel? Sounds like you didn't game the mission right bro? you mad bro?
quite amazing how he was able to fly 120/150 miles and be on top of the b29s as they were only 25 miles out from base.. no way there was any kind of spying going on cough cough but.. lets pay attention to the 10 mile turn off the map as the cheat( to my knowledge airfield they were lifting off from was not announced by them though certainly a possibility a slim one but possible)
Title: Re: 49th Fighter Group Homecoming Mega B-29 Raid
Post by: guncrasher on February 01, 2016, 10:13:00 AM
stabbyy I flew about 8 sectors to hit the b29's while on take off. it's not really hard to guess which base the mission was gonna take off from. it had to be a base at the edge of the map in order to give time to climb. there were only 3 possible choices and only 1 could accommodate a b29 taking off safely. and the other 2 were less than 1 sector away anyway.
we took off about 45 min to 1 hour before the mission take off, we climbed to 30k and proceeded to move in. I got my first 2 b29 kills while they were at 10k. that's 3.5 higher than the base they took off from.
it wasnt that difficult to figure out the exact time of the mission as there were 50 rooks sitting in the tower for about 45 minutes. we kept checking every few seconds till we saw the big jump.
semp
Title: Re: 49th Fighter Group Homecoming Mega B-29 Raid
Post by: DmonSlyr on February 01, 2016, 10:34:44 AM
well, I'm also top 10 bomber rank this tour because I've had more time to play, that means I'm better at bombing and attacking than you too.... :police:. by the way, I achieved this using a mouse as I didnt have a JS for the first 1 1/2 weeks of the tour. :rofl
"The HQ is a strategic target or you wouldn't even be talking about it. The HQ can stop attacks and allow for the easier taking of bases."
So getting people to log off will stop attacks. Gee that's a great accomplishment Dallas!!! I wish I was that smart.
"I hate to break it to you but our mission hit the city."
That's cool, and what did you team achieve after you destroyed all the stats? How many bases did you capture 30-60 min after the raid? If it is less than 2, your raid didn't work out that well, no offense, it was just a bunch of people flying around in bombers bombing watermelon with no real overall objective, other than to hit a HQ which is still the stupidest target to aim for on the map.
"What the mission achieved: First and foremost we had fun. This game is about having fun and it should always be the priority. We hit our targets. We got as many bombers home as possible. We kept probably 40-40 people busy fighting our mission. The bish never took any of our bases while we were on our mission, Like that had promised to do. We also managed to break the day to day monotony with something new, A mega mission"
Hey dickweed, I gave you that praise in my first post but that obviously flew over your head because you are too busy being a dickweed.
"than crying about it after the fact and using false information."
Who the F is crying, I haven't complained about anything, I tried to give you advice in my first post and you straight up attacked me for it, can you not read? The information I've received has been correct, and from what I hear, non of your bombers made it home, only a couple of escorts.
"We both know you could've planned a much more strategic raid" You know, It doesn't get much more strategic than hitting the strats. Strats a.k.a. strategic targets."
Just because you hit a few strats doesn't make your mission strategic. That's why I still think you have a lot of learning to do.
"It really would've made no difference. Interceptors covered half our country, Any base we would've upped from they would've came to. It's not hard to see a darbar and go to it."
Uhhh, it would have mattered, It would have caused Semp and his crew to fly another 5 sectors, maybe running out of gas, for them to redirect their hoard to the other side of your bases. You would not have been vulched, and you would have outsmarted the field. This is a lot less dweebier than flying off the map.
"A squad of people who intercepted us shortly after takeoff, directly said they did so because we announced the mission in a previous post."
See, you just contradicted your previous statement. If you would have all towered out and choose to up from a base on the other side of your territory, your bombers wouldn't have been vulched shortly after take off.
"For one you didn't know the city was a strategic target"
That's BS, I know what "strats" are.
"Secondly you seemingly don't know who the 49ThFG is, Or how long it's been around."
I don't think anyone does, you guys just started to make a fuss about yourselves last year... No one has ever heard of the 49th before last year.
"Lastly and most importantly you think you could make a better mission than us. I challenge you to do just that. Make a better mission than us. You must publicly announce it one month ahead of the launch date on the forums. You must not go off the map. This mission must be a bomber mission. The gauntlet has been thrown down, You must prove yourself."
I simply cannot base my schedule around a game. I have done countless missions in the past with the 367th, the 71st squad, and the AOM, to know what I am talking about. I have played more FSOs than your whole squad combined, I have been apart of missions that were great success and missions that failed. I know how to be strategic in AH. I mostly choose to fly fighters because that is where the most fun is. I only have a limited time to play and would rather enjoy fighting people in air planes than avoiding them in boring bombers. If I wanted to fly around the map all day and avoid fighters, I'd simply play Microsoft Flight Simulator.
I know it's hard to plan, but if you choose to run this mission on a small map, you will get vulched most of the time. The best map to do your mission on is Compello. If you choose to fly it on a small map, it will be doomed from the start.
1 more thing. Why would you not kill the HQ first and then roll your missions?
Why not re-roll your mission after you kill the HQ the first time?
Why wouldn't yall just go base to base bombing VH, FHs, and towns thus by making easy to capture bases for the rest of your country?
Title: Re: 49th Fighter Group Homecoming Mega B-29 Raid
Post by: 49Dallas on February 01, 2016, 11:47:24 AM
well, I'm also top 10 bomber rank this tour because I've had more time to play, that means I'm better at bombing and attacking than you too.... :police:. by the way, I achieved this using a mouse as I didnt have a JS for the first 1 1/2 weeks of the tour. :rofl
"The HQ is a strategic target or you wouldn't even be talking about it. The HQ can stop attacks and allow for the easier taking of bases."
So getting people to log off will stop attacks. Gee that's a great accomplishment Dallas!!! I wish I was that smart.
"I hate to break it to you but our mission hit the city."
That's cool, and what did you team achieve after you destroyed all the stats? How many bases did you capture 30-60 min after the raid? If it is less than 2, your raid didn't work out that well, no offense, it was just a bunch of people flying around in bombers bombing watermelon with no real overall objective, other than to hit a HQ which is still the stupidest target to aim for on the map.
"What the mission achieved: First and foremost we had fun. This game is about having fun and it should always be the priority. We hit our targets. We got as many bombers home as possible. We kept probably 40-40 people busy fighting our mission. The bish never took any of our bases while we were on our mission, Like that had promised to do. We also managed to break the day to day monotony with something new, A mega mission"
Hey dickweed, I gave you that praise in my first post but that obviously flew over your head because you are too busy being a dickweed.
"than crying about it after the fact and using false information."
Who the F is crying, I haven't complained about anything, I tried to give you advice in my first post and you straight up attacked me for it, can you not read? The information I've received has been correct, and from what I hear, non of your bombers made it home, only a couple of escorts.
"We both know you could've planned a much more strategic raid" You know, It doesn't get much more strategic than hitting the strats. Strats a.k.a. strategic targets."
Just because you hit a few strats doesn't make your mission strategic. That's why I still think you have a lot of learning to do.
"It really would've made no difference. Interceptors covered half our country, Any base we would've upped from they would've came to. It's not hard to see a darbar and go to it."
Uhhh, it would have mattered, It would have caused Semp and his crew to fly another 5 sectors, maybe running out of gas, for them to redirect their hoard to the other side of your bases. You would not have been vulched, and you would have outsmarted the field. This is a lot less dweebier than flying off the map.
"A squad of people who intercepted us shortly after takeoff, directly said they did so because we announced the mission in a previous post."
See, you just contradicted your previous statement. If you would have all towered out and choose to up from a base on the other side of your territory, your bombers wouldn't have been vulched shortly after take off.
"For one you didn't know the city was a strategic target"
That's BS, I know what "strats" are.
"Secondly you seemingly don't know who the 49ThFG is, Or how long it's been around."
I don't think anyone does, you guys just started to make a fuss about yourselves last year... No one has ever heard of the 49th before last year.
"Lastly and most importantly you think you could make a better mission than us. I challenge you to do just that. Make a better mission than us. You must publicly announce it one month ahead of the launch date on the forums. You must not go off the map. This mission must be a bomber mission. The gauntlet has been thrown down, You must prove yourself."
I simply cannot base my schedule around a game. I have done countless missions in the past with the 367th, the 71st squad, and the AOM, to know what I am talking about. I have played more FSOs than your whole squad combined, I have been apart of missions that were great success and missions that failed. I know how to be strategic in AH. I mostly choose to fly fighters because that is where the most fun is. I only have a limited time to play and would rather enjoy fighting people in air planes than avoiding them in boring bombers. If I wanted to fly around the map all day and avoid fighters, I'd simply play Microsoft Flight Simulator.
I know it's hard to plan, but if you choose to run this mission on a small map, you will get vulched most of the time. The best map to do your mission on is Compello. If you choose to fly it on a small map, it will be doomed from the start.
I'm not even going to reply to you line by line anymore. You're completely wrong about so many things. You weren't even there so don't talk about it like you know everything. We did have bombers return.
It's not even possible to have played more FSO's that my entire squad, combined.
"I only have a limited time to play and would rather enjoy fighting people in air planes than avoiding them in boring bombers. If I wanted to fly around the map all day and avoid fighters, I'd simply play Microsoft Flight Simulator."
Right that's why you have like three days worth of time in sorties, Not including time in the tower idling crying on the forums, Right? That's why you just bragged about being rank 10 in bombers, Because you don't have time to play right? That's why you were in flight 51 hours this month, Right? Man you're so much better than I am. You're rank 81 and I'm rank 109. I quit playing for a few days. I was rank 80 on the 28th. I'm not even trying and you obviously are. Man you're soooo much better than I am.
Title: Re: 49th Fighter Group Homecoming Mega B-29 Raid
Post by: hitech on February 01, 2016, 01:03:14 PM