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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Locoweed on March 15, 2008, 12:35:12 AM
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As a game programmer I like to check out and play other games every now and again. Aces High is an excellent MMO game that I could easily get additted to if I had the time. The realism is awesome and it seems like the Aces High team is adding more content to the game all the time to make the game better.
Here is the one rub I have with the game playing it, and it is a very important aspect I don't think the Aces High team has planned into the game. I have played and help write some MMO games and never have I seen a MMO game with more distain for new members then this one. Even though I enjoyed the overall gameplay from the beginning, as a new member I found myself with nothing to do but practice some and then when I felt like joining in the fun all I ever got was grief.
I would practice flying planes, then join in only to be rediculed. I would play 5" gunner on a CV and shoot down many attacking planes, never once to be congratulated by anyone. Actually, it almost felt like people were pissed that there was a newbie on the CV gun. Whether or not that is true, that is how it felt to me as a new member.
The hatred for newbies in this game is unbelievable and it has more to do with the game design itself then anything else. The game designers need to add game content for new members where they can be respected and not be dished on from the day they join game. It is really rediculous in a way.
Other than that, the gameplay is awesome.
Please gamedev team lessen the hate on the newbies. I really don't see how you can increase your membership much with what they have to go through.
Sincerely,
Loco
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How were you "ridiculed"?
Nobody will congratulate you unless they know you, in passing or as an online friend. Once you've been around and flown near the same group for a while they may congratulate you. If they see you near them, saw you fighting with them, and see your name in the buffer, they are more likely to do it than they would to some unknown on the text buffer.
The game itself has nothing to do with any perceived hatred to new members. Many players are harsh to new players that don't even try to fight, that HO, run, or dive from 20k on a single helpless target, miss, and run out of icon range (or crash) afterward. Or they are harsh when players suicide-divebomb carriers, and other things deemed reprehensive by the majority of them.
The lack of "welcome" in an online game is more reliant on the player than the game. It's up to new folks to see what they like to do, where, and when, and introduce themselves (so to speak) to the other players that share that interest. [Edit: This takes time! It's not instant! You can't just log in and instantly be loved by all! ;) ]
Please note that trainers and folks in the TA (Training Arena) are usually more than helpful with new members. The MA is not the best place to jump in "feet first" without much practice.
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Hi Krusty,
I understand what you are saying, but lets face reality here. Have you ever searched this forum with keywords "Newbie Hate"? Get real, there is newbie hate here no matter how much you want to think there is not. It exist here more than any other MMO I have ever seen, and I have played them all.
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The hatred for newbies in this game is unbelievable and it has more to do with the game design itself then anything else.
No it doesn't... You're playing the game for the wrong reasons if being congratulated every step of the way is what you're after.
And new players usualy do take some flak if they spam the radio with endless questions, but in most cases someone steps up to show them the ropes. Channel 6 is not used enough for this.. I tune to it when I have nothing to do during a climbout or something, and usualy there's more off-topic chatter than help discussion.
You're floggin "newbie hate" like it's a buzzword or something. The reality is that this game has a long and/or steep (depending on the player) learning curve, and sending people join requests and spamming radio with useless chatter, etc, gets old fast.
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I don't hate newbies. In fact I try to help them the best I can. The only time I "hate" them is whe they do something wrong (such as drive a cv into a PT spawn, or a base with all ord up), and you tell them that that's not such a good idea but they don't reply at all and continue on with it.
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Anyhow, I didn't come here to be loved as a newbie by all. The game is awesome, but the game is not newbie friendly and if you think it is, well, try being a newbie again. It's like when you have been programming a game for 3 years and someone new joins the team and says something isn't right, but they are right because they have a fresh view on it.
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Loco there's plenty of old players who'll go out of their way to help newbies up the first parts of the learning curve. There's an official trainer corps, a training arena, a dueling arena once you're done with the basics in the TA.. There's a help channel... It's really not the game that's to blame, because the system is in place to seek and provide help.
The trainers and their clinics aren't advertised enough, neither is the help channel.. All in all the real problem is that everyone is too busy having fun to explain to newbies with some zipcode name you can't remember why it's not sensible to spam with questions when there's a whole arena, trainers, and some websites dedicated to answering their questions.
The complaints to newbies about HOs and 5" flakkin away at good furballs is hard for newbies to understand because it's culture shock.
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Other than the random idiot telling a noob to alt f4 to gain wep......I dont see your beef.What I DO see is someone who didnt get his or her ego stroked when they got kills and people didnt kiss their ass.In here you earn your rep.Good or bad.That doesnt happen over night and doesnt happen fast enough for most of the quake mentality group.You want respect?Earn it.Till then just do what you do and hope for the best.theres a bunch of people that will help noobs if you just ask.training arena is a good start,but to come in here and blast the game cause nobody gave you gratz on kills is weak and you need to grow up.Learn the game.Play the game.get what you earn and live with the rest.
freakin nancy boys in here...I tell ya. :furious
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hi moot,
Yes, I do appreciate and understand that there are trainers and even members on their own that help new people, which is good, but that doesn't lessen the fact that new members feel like they don't belong here.
Anyhow, it it just my opinion, that new members could be handled better than what it is now, nothing more.
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If I may interject a short while. I've only been playing since may(ish) last year - I've had nothing but people offering to help, giving tips etc etc since I started.
I still cant fight (too well) in fighters, cant bomb worth a dime, reasonable at gv'ing (ish) - but have had encouragement all the way along (which is good, as the learning curve in this game is a beast).
When I started asking dumb questions (which I still do) - I get directed to the appropriate resource - even if its just a blunt 1 liner - its not because people are being rude - they are still fighting/dying/gv'ing etc - and its difficult to be in a stall fight and type at the same time.
The trainers in this game are first rate (I've not managed to get to a planned session - but have been in the TA when some of them are on - they are always (and I mean always) only too willing to help - from explaining why flat turns are not the best option to how to hold e in a vertical engagement (where I still have trouble - but none of you buggers heard that right? :D)
This game has a lot to offer, in the time I've played it, I feel fortunate to have made some damn good friends, shot a few people down and had a whole heap of fun. (not bad for a 44 year old child really :aok)
It is what you make of it fella, everyone's mileage and opinion will vary, but for me, its the most fun i've had with my clothes on for a long long time.
Wurzel
Oh, and welcome to your new addiction - trust me, it gets waaaaaaay better. ;). If you see me online, gimme a shout, and I'll help in any way shape or form I can - we can go to the ta, and you can practise shooting at me (I'm so used to that bit lol), or even just chasing me round and round to help get the feel for whichever plane you want to choose.
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Hi Krusty,
I understand what you are saying, but lets face reality here. Have you ever searched this forum with keywords "Newbie Hate"? Get real, there is newbie hate here no matter how much you want to think there is not. It exist here more than any other MMO I have ever seen, and I have played them all.
I take it you have never played video games such as Counterstrike? Quake 2? Falcon 4 (flight sim), Any BBS game?
I once was one of top ranked counterstrike players in the world, and after taking few months off to other things in life and came back, was treated as a Harsh newbie. A seasoned veteran treated that way.
Quake 2 started in 1998 where it all began, veteran players picked on new players for "camping" the railgun. List could go on and on, you just have to learn to deal with it and remember, where some guy might get angry at you over being in the 5 inch guns, just ignore it - he probably got shot down because you didnt clear his 6 when its his job to clear his own 6, you pay the money for the game you should enjoy it.
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Guess you haven't played....
WoW, EvE Online, PotBS, SWG, MXO, or even CoH and CoV. Don't even get me started on EQ, EQ2, and every other MMO out there. The only MMO with a community near or matching AHII is SoR, and that is because they are desperate. You must be coding instead of playing, because every community out there absolutely sucks. Period. No debate. Fact.
AHII has the most helpful users in any MMO to the point where they have volunteer trainers. Yea there are people who talk smack, but they are a minority to the cool folks.
I mean seriously this has to be a troll or you haven't played any other online game ever. Not even diablo.
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Other than the random idiot telling a noob to alt f4 to gain wep......I dont see your beef.What I DO see is someone who didnt get his or her ego stroked when they got kills and people didnt kiss their ass.In here you earn your rep.Good or bad.That doesnt happen over night and doesnt happen fast enough for most of the quake mentality group.You want respect?Earn it.Till then just do what you do and hope for the best.theres a bunch of people that will help noobs if you just ask.training arena is a good start,but to come in here and blast the game cause nobody gave you gratz on kills is weak and you need to grow up.Learn the game.Play the game.get what you earn and live with the rest.
freakin nancy boys in here...I tell ya. :furious
Lol DrDea, very good.
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every community out there absolutely sucks. Period. No debate. Fact.
Thats all you need to know right there, Every community is like a Bell Curve.
10% are nice chaps willing to help you any day of the week, 80% Don't Care just want to fly, will give you a WTG if they know you
10% will flat out treat you like dirt.
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hi moot,
Yes, I do appreciate and understand that there are trainers and even members on their own that help new people, which is good, but that doesn't lessen the fact that new members feel like they don't belong here.
Anyhow, it it just my opinion, that new members could be handled better than what it is now, nothing more.
You can lead a horse to water... And welcome to the game btw.
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Yes Nimble I have played them all. I give. I raise the white flag. At least everyone here believes there is no newbie hate. So if they see me flying around they will have mercy on me, lol.
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Dont think its newbie hate fella - just more that no-one knows ya - yet!.
As for mercy - hell, I've been begging for mercy for months now.....do I get any, no.....sheesh, i'm old n everything now....... :D
Offer stands btw, always ready to act as target/victim
Wurzel
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Yes Nimble I have played them all. I give. I raise the white flag. At least everyone here believes there is no newbie hate. So if they see me flying around they will have mercy on me, lol.
Some won't have mercy on you, just accept the fact your a "newbie" and if you have questions to ask, dont feel ashamed to ask! Most likely someone will answer you, if not always check in Training arena.
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I expressed my opinion on how I felt this MMO treats new members compared to other MMO's, but this MMO is much better than most other MMO's also.
I have no more to say or you all will lynch me.
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I expressed my opinion on how I felt this MMO treats new members compared to other MMO's, but this MMO is much better than most other MMO's also.
I have no more to say or you all will lynch me.
Believe me this MMO is ranked top 2 for me, one of the better communities out there.
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Believe me this MMO is ranked top 2 for me, one of the better communities out there.
You are probably right. It just didn't feel that way to me. It felt more like I couldn't find a friend unless I knew a friend already type of community.
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Loco don't let the Tourrettes like Dr. Dea get to you.. They cry inside too; they just sit back in horror as their smack talk runs wild.. They're just along for the ride :D
And yes that's typical of Aces High, what you describe above. Finding a squad to fly with is really the only way to guarantee having fun.
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It is very disrespectful on the part of a newbie to expect the vets to drop everything they're doing when the newbie isn't even willing to review the basics first, like reading the directions.
http://trainers.hitechcreations.com/
P.S. I'm very willing to help if I feel the person has at least tried to review the basics.
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Sorry I wasted everyoone's time. Thanks for postive responses though. I feel much better about community now.
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You are probably right. It just didn't feel that way to me. It felt more like I couldn't find a friend unless I knew a friend already type of community.
Well its true like most games you feel discouraged about playing, same for aces high. Taken example I was once a bishop in AH and moved to the Rooks side. Well not only did I only know 1-2 people on Rook side, but fact I was bishop all these years and shooting down Rooks, some didn't take me in to lightly. Yeah I was treated a newbie, but I don't get that now since people speak to me on country, and we set up missions.
I would honestly say give it some time, chat with folks on country channel, you will enjoy it!
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It is very disrespectful on the part of a newbie to expect the vets to drop everything they're doing when the newbie isn't even willing to review the basics first, like reading the directions.
http://trainers.hitechcreations.com/
Ok, now not so much thankful, I read that. We are back to newbie hate. I am off all. Thanks to those who were helpful.
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lol you wanted positive re-enforcement on the game expect some negative feedbacks also :aok
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It is very disrespectful on the part of a newbie to expect the vets to drop everything they're doing when the newbie isn't even willing to review the basics first, like reading the directions.
No sir, you bail out of that 300 perk Me-262 right now and teach me to take off and raise my gears! NOW NEWB HATER!
Modify: Sorry im bored and out of cookies, 999000 ate them all :(
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Loco he's saying the same I said - everyone is too busy to answer questions that are answered in better places.. Typing out on radio how to fly the game is maybe 10x more time consuming than the new guy (e.g.) going to that website and reading up on the basics.
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Ok, now not so much thankful, I read that. We are back to newbie hate. I am off all. Thanks to those who were helpful.
It's not about hating Newbies, it's about hating lazy people.
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So lazy people take the time to check out Soda's descriptions of each aircraft and what it's strengths is and study aircraft maneuvers from manuals or are all newbies lazy? Sigh.
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As a game programmer I like to check out and play other games every now and again. Aces High is an excellent MMO game that I could easily get additted to if I had the time. The realism is awesome and it seems like the Aces High team is adding more content to the game all the time to make the game better.
Here is the one rub I have with the game playing it, and it is a very important aspect I don't think the Aces High team has planned into the game. I have played and help write some MMO games and never have I seen a MMO game with more distain for new members then this one. Even though I enjoyed the overall gameplay from the beginning, as a new member I found myself with nothing to do but practice some and then when I felt like joining in the fun all I ever got was grief.
I would practice flying planes, then join in only to be rediculed. I would play 5" gunner on a CV and shoot down many attacking planes, never once to be congratulated by anyone. Actually, it almost felt like people were pissed that there was a newbie on the CV gun. Whether or not that is true, that is how it felt to me as a new member.
The hatred for newbies in this game is unbelievable and it has more to do with the game design itself then anything else. The game designers need to add game content for new members where they can be respected and not be dished on from the day they join game. It is really rediculous in a way.
Other than that, the gameplay is awesome.
Please gamedev team lessen the hate on the newbies. I really don't see how you can increase your membership much with what they have to go through.
Sincerely,
Loco
why dont you just type "wtfg me"? Then people will notice you and say wtg thats all. Simple as that.
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This is exactly what I was describing, all newbies are lazy and need no respect. I am a newbie, so you automatically assume I don't study or work at getting better. To you all, I am a newbie and deserve no respect no matter if I am trying to learn game. I am just a gosh darn newbie, which is what I was saying when I started this thread.
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So lazy people take the time to check out Soda's descriptions of each aircraft and what it's strengths is and study aircraft maneuvers from manuals or are all newbies lazy? Sigh.
If you did that then I'm more then willing to help you. I wasn't speaking to you directly with my previous statements.
P.S. Teaching someone new takes a lot of work. I'm not sure you realize how difficult it is to train someone properly.
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I really didn't expect to get into a brawl with the old timers. I was just stating what I thought could be improved in the game, which is give the newbies something respectable to do until they got accustomed to game.
I really didn't mean to get into this craziness.
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I spoke with Skuzzy a few days ago and he stated they were working on a Training Academy for the newer players. They are very well aware they need to improve the training for the newer players.
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A newbie who is doing a good job should get as much respect as a 5 year player doing a good job for what their skill level is. Once again, just my opinion. I will let it go and my name in the game is not Locoweed, so if you see a Locoweed it's not me. ;)
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It felt more like I couldn't find a friend unless I knew a friend already type of community.
That one I could see.
And no I don't remember what it was like to be a n00b, because this is like the 3rd or 4th generation of the genre, and many of the communitiy knows each other from those other games. From day one I had friends and a rep from an older game, so I don't really know what it's like to start cold.
I will comment that the 2 week trial brings in quite a bit of people who will likely never subscribe, and who do all the annoying things mentioned. If a new player comes off that way, even unintentionally, experienced players will be less willing to help. Not because they hate new players, but because there is a constant stream of "2 weekers" who ignore all the help and documentation, and expect a warm welcome when asking a barrage of dumb questions in the main arenas...Many don't want to waste their time with them.
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A newbie who is doing a good job should get as much respect as a 5 year player doing a good job for what their skill level is. Once again, just my opinion.
From what I see they do. I see quite a few players come through the training arena, and hook up with a squad, or someone they like to wing with. I see them get WTGs when they land 2 or 3 kills, because thats an accomplishment for them. (conversely, I've landed a dozen plus without a peep from the peanut gallery sometimes...I guess b/c it gets old after awhile :) ).
The pinnacle of AH is air combat though, so unless you are working on a group goal like preping a base for capture for instance, there's usually not many kudos to be handed out if the achievement was not air combat related :)
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When I see members of the same squad give each other WTGs on open channel, I can't help but think how much of an attention ***** they are.
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When I see squads giving each other WTGs on open channel, I can't help but think how much of an attention ***** they are.
I agree with that also. In my squad most of that is done on squad channel, with an occational 1 or 2 on open channels. System channel already announced who landed how many from what squad. We really don't need the other dozen players from that squad clogging the comms with pats on the back.
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Welcome to Aces High, locoweed.
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Hey Loco, if your CPID is different to your forum ID put it in ur sig. That way we as a community will learn to put player to poster and you will begin to gain some recognition.
If you fly Bish keep an eye out for myself or any of the GIAP, we are usually pretty patient with newer players and are more than willing to give help where it's needed.
I often find new players sitting on the runway trying to get up when I log in and a lot of my first sorties are spent helping them get airborne and getting some basics down.
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Ok I'll add one more at least :)
This game is a very high learning curve game. A simulation even. No matter what HTC were to do, the only thing that makes you better at this game is playing it. They could write an true AI to have classes every minute of every day for new folks and it would still take a great deal of time for them to come close to even being able to *pick* a good stick. The very nature of this MMO is that reward comes from practice. The reason why many people respect each other and give <S>'s and wtgs is because they've been down the road of where you are right now, put on their game face, took their losses and learned. That is all you can do. You are going to die a lot. When you get your kills it's not going to necessarily be in a way that is going to get you props(pun intended). First, you are going to get "WTGs" from your countrymen(or squad if you join one) when you land kills and they actually realize you are on their team, especially when they know you aren't a shades account and are new. Just realize if you shoot down someone, chances are you caught them offguard while they were already engaged and they didn't notice you. It's happened to them so many times that A) they get mad about it(really beating a dead horse tho) or B) Are beyond getting mad anymore, shrug it off and reup. In either case, it really doesn't earn you recognition from the person you killed.
Once you start learning how to find 1 on 1's, and you do have to learn how to, engage and have a nice, long fight with someone you will start getting the recognition you are looking for from them(well from people who aren't stuck at A). You may even get a <S> even if you have advantage, they notice you, and you still knock them down with gunnery skills. A good sport respects that usually.
It's the people who strap in for the long run who get the most respect in most cases. They've taken their losses, and losses, and losses, like champs(sometimes :D ) and have progressed, in knowledge and ability, past them.
The best way to learn how to play this game is by dying and investing time into understanding why you died. Watching films people have put up and the ones you have recorded yourself and recognizing the reason why you died is paramount. Reading sites like Soda's is another must. Many people are so engrossed in this game that they've read books like Shaw's fighter combat book(thanks again to OddCAF for sending me his, I love ya man and you are the :rock!). There are just so many aspects to actually being "good" at this game that by it's nature it is not noobie friendly. It is a WWII airplane simulation game, and it comes with a lot of bells and whistles that need mastered. The most important things seem like they aren't, things like knowing where the fight between two airbases is happening. Situational Awareness is the most important factor in this game, and there can be no tutorial written that will teach you it. It doesn't just involve knowing what is happening around you at the moment, but figuring out what might be happening 1,2,5 or even 10 minutes later.
Anyways, I hope you stick with it. Just realize that this game demands your time if you want recognition. It's unlike most any other MMO in the fact it really does take skill and some sort of brain to be good at. Keep with it, take your knocks, and rise above the general population's skill and you will find yourself getting more and more <S>'s from opponents, and the best part is going to be that you earned them.
PS: Sorry for the disjointed and rambling post, 4am here :)
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Loco,
I have always thought that these were good guide lines ...
They were posted on the main AcesHigh Website, long while back .....
Regards
Bob/ CHECKERS
The unwritten rules of Aces High
As with many games, over time some
unwritten rules establish them selves as
generally accepted behavior. These rules
are not cast in concrete but are a good
guideline on how one conducts himself.
Some rules take into account "real" life happenings while playing the game
while others are pretty much accepted by the population of online players for
ingame issues.
First are the accepted unwritten rules for real life issues:
1. When nature calls, announcing on Channel One "Pee Break" and ones
location is accepted as a "timeout". Time may vary but that pilot is
considered offlimits for that time period.
2. When the beer is empty, announcing on Channel One "Beers Empty"
results in the same timeout with the additional requirement of grabbing
beer for anyone that want's it.
3. Wife ack. No explanation is necessary. No time limit is imposed.
4. Pet interference: dependent on the nature of intrusion and resultant outcome as it effects participation.
Accepted unwritten rules for ingame issues:
1. In a base vultching situation the first to call "dibs" goes to the front of the
line. When mulitple pilots call dibs at the same time, a coin flip will decide
who is first. Taking cuts is frowned upon.
2. Wiping the goo from ones air screen is an official timeout if it has been
announced on Channel One. Time may vary dependent on the amount of
goo present. Multiple kills=more goo. evaluated on a per kill basis.
3.Anyone that bails and opens his chute above 600 feet AGL shall be shot in their chute. The resultant whining on Channel One will be replied with the comment "Your Momma"
4. Political discussions, whining about getting killed, ANYTHING in CAPS
on Channel One shall result in the offender becoming a labeled "tard" and
shall be shunned by those present.
5. The talking of "smack" is reviewed on a case by case basis. Good smack
is a pleasure to read. Badly written smack reflects on the poster more than the recipient. So good sentence structure and a clear thought processes are required so as not to percieved as a "tard". Talking good
smack is akin to walking a mine field. The liabilities out way the benifits.
Unwritten rules really are a way of life. They are not hard and fast rules, but rules that have been accepted over time. Think of it as a step up into the world of Aces High. Now go out and have some fun !!
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I once was one of top ranked counterstrike players in the world
this explains ALOT :D
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It felt more like I couldn't find a friend unless I knew a friend already type of community.
I can sympathize with this, and fully agree. I almost quit about a month into my subscription because I couldn't find anyone to team up with. I learned quickly in the MA that being alone as a new guy = Fresh Meat for everyone else. I did go into the TA as much as I could, read everything I could get my hands on, etc. Luckily, I got picked up by a good group of guys in ~FATE~ that took me under their wing. Then, Kurt actually took me into the DA and spent a couple of sessions with me to give me some basic MA-type pointers that, combined with the basics I was learning in the TA with Widewing, helped me get going in a positive manner.
IMO, a scripted training syllabus, where you fly each type of mission, be it fighters, bombers, GV's, etc. against an AI or something would be a great idea to get new guys spun up. Unfortunately, since the trainers are giving their free time to train, you can't always find them on at the same time you are, as a new-guy. So, if you can't find any qualified instruction in the TA when you are on, you go to the MA, get your butt handed to you, and then have to listen to someone talk smack about how they did it. Going straight to the MA is not wise, nor enjoyable from the get-go.
Given the usual blather on Channel 200 or country channel sometimes (insert Alt+F4 joke here), I can see how a negative first impression could be perceived. Unfortunately, unless the training academy alluded to earlier can turn out a basically competitive, useful (albeit non-skilled), player, it may take a while to change that. More so than any other game I've played, either you persevere and become competitive, or you find some niche and become competitive, or you quit. There's not a lot of support structure built into a game like this, with such a steep and severe learning curve.
Of course, on the other hand, its the most rewarding, fun, exciting game I've ever played. Perhaps the reward is worth the intimidating initial perception--as it takes an honest investment to receive something back. Hmmm, sounds like real-life almost.
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i wouldnt call it haterd but ya you are right to a point, noobs have it rough if they just jump in to MA,
but you are wrong on another point Aces High is not one of the best MMOs, it is the BEST.
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Let's all agree that this thread just points out the obvious. What scares me is that a lot of the newbie hate is more ego-driven than due to a real lack of ability to listen/learn on the part of newcomers. :(
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This is exactly what I was describing, all newbies are lazy and need no respect. I am a newbie, so you automatically assume I don't study or work at getting better. To you all, I am a newbie and deserve no respect no matter if I am trying to learn game. I am just a gosh darn newbie, which is what I was saying when I started this thread.
IMHO (and I haven't read to the end of this thread yet)
You may be missing something here!
I and others TRY to help SOME NewB's. I've gladly helped people out.
BUT when they start asking how to START the engine, then how to take off, then how to steer, which button fires the guns, then how do I land???????
(Shades of poor dead unused HELP FILES come to mind here)
(Ghost of Training Arena and trainers ignored dance about the MA when this happens)
(You realize that this has created the UFO's that everyone is seeing about lately?)
(You realize that this is PROBABLY why the MA's are HAUNTED?)
Then there are the ones that have discovered the mic (SHHHHEEEEEESSHHH) their the ones that start SCREAMING HELP I'M BEING SHOT DOWN etc.....
And all this is going on while your in a say a P40E and your engaged with a Niki......
Or your just approaching the point where you MUST calibrate that bomb sight and theres 2 or 3 la7's and probably a Spit16 or 2 climbing up to meet you.
Or you and several others are just diving in on a base and town in heavy 110's.....
And the NewB wants to know which skin to use on their plane. Or has discovered there are skins and wants to tell everyone about the skins.
Or you tell them and they IGNORE you!
Or you tell them and they ARGUE with you!
HEY ...............
I am NOT anti- NooB nor do I hate Noobs.
I suggest that you take all the above, and I'm sure others could add a GREAT DEAL to this as well, into consideration before you start calling people haters or anti's.
SOME of these New people SEEM to come in here with ... I can think of no better word for it then ATTITUDE, which SEEMS to say that they are the MOST important thing to ever happen to AcesHigh!
That EVERYONE MUST drop whatever they are doing and HELP them or their going to throw a tantrum and type inane blather like crazy in the text buffer to get even or something.
Come on.... many that come here are on a schedule, they have Wife Ack, kids Ack, etc... they come in here to fly and fight and bomb etc.... and they got maybe and hour to do it in... they don't HATE NooBs, that just don't have time for all the ABOVE!
AcesHigh has TRAINERS that with great joy will help these ATTITUDE types of people.
And I quick FYI..........
I've seen many AH'res stop what their doing and help certain types of NooBs! The type that is working at learning and ISN'T asking to be taken by the hand and shown everything little thing RIGHT NOW!
Often they will train such people up and offer em a spot in their squad.
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IMHO the ones who do the most ridiculing are the newer players. By this I mean, they act like multi-year players.
They've been here 6-10 months and now know all. No really just ask them.
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As a Newbie/Noob whatever I can understand his point, AH2 takes a lot of time, effort and patience. I have found that the Training arena and the Dueling arena to be the best for learning. I have played other sims in the past but find this game to have a steeper learning curve than the others.
Today I tried flying the mid war arena,,,,logged in,,,saw one of our Island bases under attack, so I upped a Spit9 ( yes I know A SPIT!) The base was quickly swarmed with four or fine enemy planes,,,I did what I could and tried to stay alive by hugging the base ack and trying to kill the planes that I could reach. I called for help over the country channel,,,One player answered but never showed. I hit a few planes but the ack did most of the damage,,,,on channel 200 I was mocked and called names, I never responded to these taunts . After dying twice I upped P51b from a base further away and headed back to the fray. I had altitude and speed and was able to kill a c47 as he was dropping troops. I zoomed up after to avoid the other three F6f's that were in the area,,,,,I came back down and killed one of the enemy F6F's.
I then used the P51s speed advantage to run as the other two F6F's gave chase. One enemy gave up, so I reversed and killed the remaining F6F. The base was taken however before I could return,,,I was thanked on the 200 channel and told I was a High alt sightseer. I had saluted these pilots three times during these skirmishes,,,they never returned my salutes.
As it turned out, I was the solitary Bishop logged on at this time
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farking whine. look do you walk into a bar and expect respect from EVERYONE THERE. no i doubt it. your not going to walk into a new community that you dont even know and expect everyone to know you and respect you.
If we tought our kids to do what your expecting they would be walking up to strangers and those strangers could be killers kid nappers or anything.
you cant play the game for one day and DEMAND PEOPLE TO RESPECT YOU. this is a community of diffrent folks (THANK GOD SKYROCK HAS NOT POSTED). if you want respect try staying in the community for a little while and get to know these people. i have flown with everyone i know here and i respect all of them.
my whole squad goes out of their way to help noobs out. and i know a ton of other folks that do the same. so your comments are what you said YOUR OPPINION AND ONLY YOUR OPPINION.
Hate is a strong word, when my kids use it i put them in time out. Check your Oppinion and try getting to know people. if you have anything else to complain about the game TRY READING THE RULES email it to support@hitechcreations.com
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Xargos nailed it, this community doesn't hate new guys. We have been fed on a steady diet of them for years, we are used to them. We don't hate new guys, however we don't cater to them.
Not to mention that there are a ton of young kids trying out the 2 week free accounts. Granted some of them will stick around, pay for an account, get a joystick, and become part of the community. But lots don't, then show up, want to fly with a mouse, think at 14 that they are hot stuff, and expect respect.
Nope sorry, but you have to EARN that here.
The game has a TON of features all designed specifically for the new guy.
Everything from stall limiter, to the help channel.
From the Training Arena, to voice communications.
All built in, all designed to make life easier for the new guy.
AH and the community does have a fairly low tolerance for laziness, radio spamming, ego building.
Last I can never figure out why if you were a new person, you would bypass the Training arena, and jump straight into the biggest possible fight. But a fairly large portion of the new guys do just exactly that.
If you want to make it here, I'll give you a big hand up.
Before you get online, spend a week reading, www.netaces.org, the Hitechcreations.com
and the http://trainers.hitechcreations.com sites are the best. Period
After reading for an hour try flying some of those manuvers in offline. Stick with a basic easy to fly plane.
A6m series, Seafire or Spitfire 5.
When you do get online plan on spending a week in the TA.
Have your joystick plugged in, calibrated and working correctly in windows before you start AH.
If you have a mic, same thing, have it working in windows correctly first.
When you arrive in the TA switch sides to Bishops, and hang out at A1.
This is trainer central, this is where they hang out. (they may move to quiet location for an appointement with someone) If there is no one around, practise flying a large number of aircraft.
Start with the A6m, try a couple spitfires, perhaps a later war JP plane like the N1K, and of course the old standbys. The P51d, P38, and P47.
Accept the fact that no one flys the P51 "well" their first week in AH. Same is true of the P38, p47, 190 series.
These are not EASY aircraft to fly, they are advanced aircraft, and need advanced pilots.
Show me one pilot who when he joined the Army Air Corp was dropped into a top level fighter to learn to fly in.
Naw, didn't happen that way, they all started flying on Stearman biplanes, moved up eventually to T6's.
Same here, want a nice slow fully aerobatic plane to learn basics of turn, manuver and energy in.
Grab the D3a1 Val, and go learn it. Concentrate on the vertical. Too many new people are still stuck in 2d mode. IE North, South, East, and West. They forget ALL about UP and Down. Practise flying LOOPS! Half loops, full loops, loops going UP, loops going DOWN. That and the basics of turn, will be your foundation that all ACM builds on.
Second week in AH, go hang out in the DA, concentrate on making friends, shooting skills, same plane duels.
Film your fights so you can watch them later and find your mistakes. Just like in real life be careful what kind of friends you make.
Third week in AH, start doing sorties in Midwar or early war arena. Continue to meet and practice in the Dueling arena before heading to the wars. For one this sharpens your eyes and reflexes before going into combat.
After you have a couple of tours under your belt in midwar. Then by all means start trying sorties in latewar.
Its a bigger pond, its tougher, its harder to make new friends. But give it your best shot. :)
There you are, one page simple guide to how to succeed in AH as a newbe.
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Unbelievable !!! Your kidding right Loco?
OK, lets say you join a hockey league in your area. Your in the locker room suiting up and start asking questions about which pads go where, what do you think is going to happen?
OK, lets say you did some research/studying, you know how to suit up, wobble out to the ice, and skitter around on the inside edges of blade and boot what do you think is going to happen?
OK, lets say you have some experience and can get up and down the ice ok, but you don't know the strategies of hockey, where to be on defense, or offense, how to hit. Given a good effort, your "teammates" may help you along, but if you just sit on the bench, whos going to notice you, everyones busy being in the game.
Aces High is no different than anything else in life. You get out, what you put in. If YOU don't want to put forth the effort to join in, why should anyone else put for the effort to "make you feel welcome". Join the mission that are posted, switch countries to look for them if you have to, up a plane and tag along with the guy who just took off in front of you, start up a conversation with him/her. Making friends isn't about sitting in the corner by yourself.
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Ok how long have you been playing for one. I can agree that to come into this game knowing nobody would be a touch daunting but theres plenty of ways to find help.This thread has covered just about all of them.Still your not going to get a pile of respect right off the bat.You can even ask someone if you can tag along in their plane and watch the action.Just dont do it out of the blue and send a request to someone in flight.Join missions.Join them all but do the reading on the controls so you know what to do.Prepare to be handed your butt for a long time tho because this is a tough game to get a good feel for.
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It`s a right of passage.
It will get better ...............if you want it to.
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There are some ignorant people in this community. This kid is right in some respects. Ive personally have heard some real ignorant comments made to new people in the MA, or, even here. You'all can dance around it all you want but the kid has a point. There are some real screwballs in AH.
What Loco has to realize tho is a lot of it is just infantile nonsense and you cant judge an entire community on the actions of a few. A "right of passage"? In a cartoon flight game?? :lol
Spend more time in the Training Arena kid. You'll meet a better crowd where everyone is just trying to either get better, or, help someone else get better. You'll be alright, just have fun playing the game. Look, in this thread you already met a lot of good people who would help you. See??
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I don't toss out WTG's unless I know them usually. 5" kills don't mean much. A bunch of landed kills and I assume they were vultchs...they don't mean much either. Cherry picks? Not impressed. A bunch of landed kills and I know they were ACM kills, now I am impressed. But I wouldn't see them as I .squelch 6 anyway and turn the kill messages off.
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There are some ignorant people in this community. This kid is right in some respects. Ive personally have heard some real ignorant comments made to new people in the MA, or, even here. You'all can dance around it all you want but the kid has a point. There are some real screwballs in AH.
Like the ignorant screwballs who patronize posters by calling them "kid" repeatedly?
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what a great troll Loco!!! this one may hit a few more pages. you are a master.
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Like the ignorant screwballs who patronize posters by calling them "kid" repeatedly?
No, like the ignorant screwballs who stick their nose in when they arent involved, for their own reasons to personally flame, with their ignorant little one liner spam remarks. Actually Hubs your probably one of the little punks the kid is referring to. And your are most certainly one of the little punks I am talking about.
But tellya what? For the good of the forum we'll put this on hold. Whatdoya say about that ?
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No, like the ignorant screwballs who stick their nose in when they arent involved, for their own reasons to personally flame, with their ignorant little one liner spam remarks. Actually Hubs your probably one of the little punks the kid is referring to. And your are most certainly one of the little punks I am talking about.
But tellya what? For the good of the forum we'll put this on hold. Whatdoya say about that ?
You post in a public forum your going to get replies. Some that agree some that don't.
If you can't handle the heat, stay out of the kitchen.
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Like the ignorant screwballs who patronize posters by calling them "kid" repeatedly?
:aok
Consider this: The only reason that a percieved 'newbie' status exists is because there exists a solid and somewhat cohesive, more experienced community in AH, which anyone can become a part of, given a little time, experience, and willingness to shut up and listen / learn. I've never played any other online game, so have nothing to compare AH to, but it's like anything else - you get out of it what you put into it.
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Probably a good call to delete what you did, Rich. The interweb toughguy routine doesn't work very well around here. However, I stand by my comments, whether we meet in the real world or not.
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I think rich is in law enforcement. I am a supporter of law enforcement personnel but as in any profession you have some guys that are in the wrong profession for the wrong reason. rich strikes me as one those that I would likely roll a doughnut onto I-95 at night for him to chase. I could be wrong because you simply cannot tell how a person is in life based on what you read here but that is the impression I come away with.
I hope I'm wrong though <S> rich
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My squad **the Lynchmob** has been around for along time and when it comes to new members we have brought many new pilots to AH into our squad just for the fact that they seem to be catching all kinds of grief from others on country vox or on 200 We all in the mob realize we were new once also and if it wasnt for the very few that helped us with many aspects of this game we would have thrown in the towel long ago. Its worth the time to help a new member with a certain aspect they are haveing a hard time with and being there when they "finally get" it and score them first kills. I :salute anyone that actually take the time to teach our new members the ropes and not ridicule them just because they arent as profficiant as someone that has been playing for years. Those that do should be ashamed of themselves.
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You post in a public forum your going to get replies. Some that agree some that don't.
If you can't handle the heat, stay out of the kitchen.
He's one of them thar sensitive bomber types..although I do find his "look at me,
I discovered the <insert plane type here>, it's great!" posts amusing :lol
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Probably a good call to delete what you did, Rich. The interweb toughguy routine doesn't work very well around here. However, I stand by my comments, whether we meet in the real world or not.
I agree. It had no place here. And Ive put down far tougher then you. I gotta tellya tho pal it would never even occur to me to barge into a conversation I wasnt involved in and insult someone. Jeez!
Storch thats really funny coming from you. Like in "hilarious funny". I see you can post again. """ rich strikes me as one those that I would likely roll a doughnut onto I-95 at night for him to chase. """" :rofl What the heck does that mean?
Im out of here. It would just go round and round and for what purpose? Its strange but a few people here always think they are the ones being talked about.
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Ive put down far tougher then you.
(http://www.prometheus6.org/images/toughguy1.jpg)
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:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl Im sorry, I know I said i was leaving the thread. But that is hilarious. Hahahaha.....good one Bronk <S> Ya got me. :lol
(http://www.prometheus6.org/images/toughguy1.jpg)
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OK, haven't ready every reply, so this may have been said. However, I'm just throwing in my $.02.
I was recruiting into my first squad within a week of becoming a paying member of AH. My squad was good to me and through them came to know many people.
I have come and gone and each time I am welcomed back like I never left.
When my son went missing in 2004 (and was found), pretty much the whole AH community was involved and many went way out of their way to provide support and assistance. For that I am forever grateful.
Some people get along and some people don't Some have elitest attitudes and other or more common in their appeal and associations.
What I have never seen is an institutional hatred for newbies or anyone, with the expection of those dubbed as "greifers". Even then, I don't know if I would say hatred as much as frustration.
Regardless, I think this is a great community (even the BKs and Muppets :D ).
A newbie is going to have a hard time because, let's face it, this is a community and the newbie doesn't know anyone and is not know. That feeling of being hated is because you are on your own until you start building a web of friends here. That takes getting involved in mission, joining a squad, calling 6s, getting involved in conversations, posting on the BBS and attending our super secret "We Hate All Outsiders/Newbies Meetings". Ok, most of that is true except the last part. You have to make an effort to be known.
I really take exception to anyone coming in here and as their first post say, essentially, "you all suck because you treat newbies bad and didn't stroke my ego when I do anything." No hate involved, just incredulity. Again, this is a great community and from my experience, very forgiving and very open. Sure there are cliques <sp?>, but what game community doesn't have that.
To sum up: fly more, get known, make some friends. Two things will happen: you won't be a newb and your opinion of the community will change.
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I gotta tellya tho pal it would never even occur to me to barge into a conversation I wasnt involved in and insult someone. Jeez!
:huh Aliens make you do stuff like that?
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PSSSSSSSST GUYS.......
Now that you are done flaying each other alive..... :t I think yas scared Locoweed outta his own thread.
We get anymore kinder, gentlier and freindly with each other, Skuzzy is probably gonna hurle and insert panzies in your avatars...... :D
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PSSSSSSSST GUYS.......
Now that you are done flaying each other alive..... :t I think yas scared Locoweed outta his own thread.
We get anymore kinder, gentlier and freindly with each other, Skuzzy is probably gonna hurle and insert panzies in your avatars...... :D
I thought the same thing bustr
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But, but, but.....I might want panties in my avatar - it kinda depends whats in them (I so know this is gonna go south, but there ya go..... :D)
Wurzel
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Loco,
In away I understand your position,I'll never forget my first day in Aceshigh.
A buddy was trying to get me into the game and told me try it"FREE".
So I gave it a try,holy$..T it was hard,and then I was called a "stickstirrer". Had no idea what that meant and had to ask. Really I was called that because I dragged a tempest and my buddy killed it. So the comment wasn't really meant for me,it was an excuse because the "other" player messed up and got killed!!!!
If you reread the post by Ghosth and use his advice,you'll be on your way to making friends and improving your game play. :aok
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We get alot of newbies in the midwar and they are sometimes annoying not because of there game play but the endless questions or telling the enemy where we are on all channel or some stupid thing like that!
we love newb's but they need to go to the training arena and learn the basics like how to use the radio or the basic flight keys and simple things like that! i like to help as much as possible but can get annoyed quickly if i tell someone they need to to go back to the T.A. because i know they are not ready to fight in the arena's,
and it happened to me as well, i thought i was ready to fly the day i loaded the game, three years later i almost have the hang of it!
it sounds like you are probably not one of those type of newb's, but because of them you will be picked on as well!
try to find someone in the training arena that also flies in the arenas and ask him who to seek out for help after you start and good luck! :salute
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"The hatred for newbies in this game is unbelievable and it has more to do with the game design itself then anything else. The game designers need to add game content for new members where they can be respected and not be dished on from the day they join game. It is really rediculous in a way."
WOW.
I DO understand-in a way- that statement. It SHOULD be a smack in the face to game veterans who's answer to anything is "ALT-F4".
The main problem we have is that so many new folks coming and going that ask a lot of questions (lest we forget, our game has a HUGE learning curve) that' it's difficult to get a personal connection to every new player.
I don't know what chess piece you flew, but if you fly knight, look me up. Our squad helps new guys.
ROX
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I once was one of top ranked counterstrike players in the world
:lol
Now everything makes even more sense.
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:lol
Now everything makes even more sense.
stang, were you thinking pwned.nl ?
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hubs you scared the noob off with your avatar :devil
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stang, were you thinking pwned.nl ?
LOL, I had forgotten about that.
:lol
A little too vulgar and violent to post here probably though, heh.
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LOL, I had forgotten about that.
:lol
A little too vulgar and violent to post here probably though, heh.
Why I didn't post link. They all can figure it out. :noid
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As a game programmer I like to check out and play other games every now and again. Aces High is an excellent MMO game that I could easily get additted to if I had the time. The realism is awesome and it seems like the Aces High team is adding more content to the game all the time to make the game better.
Here is the one rub I have with the game playing it, and it is a very important aspect I don't think the Aces High team has planned into the game. I have played and help write some MMO games and never have I seen a MMO game with more distain for new members then this one. Even though I enjoyed the overall gameplay from the beginning, as a new member I found myself with nothing to do but practice some and then when I felt like joining in the fun all I ever got was grief.
I would practice flying planes, then join in only to be rediculed. I would play 5" gunner on a CV and shoot down many attacking planes, never once to be congratulated by anyone. Actually, it almost felt like people were pissed that there was a newbie on the CV gun. Whether or not that is true, that is how it felt to me as a new member.
The hatred for newbies in this game is unbelievable and it has more to do with the game design itself then anything else. The game designers need to add game content for new members where they can be respected and not be dished on from the day they join game. It is really rediculous in a way.
Other than that, the gameplay is awesome.
Please gamedev team lessen the hate on the newbies. I really don't see how you can increase your membership much with what they have to go through.
Sincerely,
Loco
:rofl
are you serious?
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And new players usualy do take some flak if they spam the radio with endless questions, but in most cases someone steps up to show them the ropes. Channel 6 is not used enough for this.. I tune to it when I have nothing to do during a climbout or something, and usualy there's more off-topic chatter than help discussion.
I started this game about a year and a half ago.....or somewhere near that........and was chock full of questions when i first came into the MA's........never caught any flack from anyone for asking a lot of questions. as a matter of fact, murdr, ackack, jolly, ren, and a host of others were nothing short of incredible with their help in the MA's......never once telling me i should go bakc to TA. then a couple of guys from the squad i'm in now, took me under hteir wings and taught me some of the finer points(wasted their time as i still suckkkkkk), but i've joined that squad because of how much they helped me.
because of this, when i see someone asking for help, i offer whatever help i can, and NEVER tell them they're asking in the wrong place. i come in here for hte fights..and if none of us teach anyone new how to fight properly, then all we're gonna get is hotards, and altmonkeys demonstrating how to blend in with the ground.
just my 2 cents....
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I don't hate newbies. In fact I try to help them the best I can. The only time I "hate" them is whe they do something wrong (such as drive a cv into a PT spawn, or a base with all ord up), and you tell them that that's not such a good idea but they don't reply at all and continue on with it.
in this case.......if they're new, you probably outrank them....just take it over and turn it,,,,,it's what i do when i caan......
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stang, were you thinking pwned.nl ?
:rofl
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I have only been playing for 11 monthes or so, and as a noobie, I have never been treated with dis-respect.
Am I some wounder kid who mastered the game in one afternoon? NO. Did I already know all these people before I started playing? NO. Have I been told that " you suck" or "F-you" or "noob tard" or the like, YES.
Generally because it was true or I did something that was not appropriate. Now that comment has become somewhat of a badge of honor, depending on the situation. Sometimes I deserve the comment though.
Here is how I started.
First, I spent a lot of time in the Training arena before entering a Main Arena. Know the basics befor going to the M/A.
Second, while training, I was also reading on Aces High, Sodas etc. Sometimes dry reading, but it gets more interesting as you understand more of how it effects your game play.
Third, Once in the Main Arenas, I flew in missions, I winged up with people, and I only asked questions I could not find answers to, or just basicly, got to know the people.
Now the issue Loco is refering to: The person that comes in and goes straight to the Main Arena and is asking "How do I take off?" or a simmilar type of beguiner question.
The community answers with, "please go to the training arena".
After 30 more minuites of, "come on, somebody tell me how to take off!" and a million join requests sent, the player gets squelched, or is openly ridiculed on country channel.
What kind of response would you expect? Every player in this game has spent many hours reading, practicing and helping others, this player is showing no ambishion to learn on there own.
The "hatred" you speek of is more like frustration. I do not think we could put a number on how many of these people we tollerate on a weekly basis. Most of use will help those that are trying to help themselves learn, and show an honest ambision to play the game, heck, I spent almost all my play time last sunday helping some kid out.
The player that comes in and thinks this is an X-box game is saddly mistaken, and the people playing here generally do not feel obligated to baby sit somebodies twelve year old with A.D.D.
Does this game have a steep learning curve, yes.
Are we "hatefull" of new players, no.
Will we repect your Q/A sesion while we are Paying to play our game...Maybe.
One possable solution; The two week free trial should limit the player to the Training, Dualing, and Early War Arenas, once a subscriber, they can explore the rest of the game.
P.S. Pardon the spelling.
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Some easy steps to follow Loco.
Ignore the kids, this game has its share of them. Dont tune 200...its a total waste of bandwidth . You'll learn on the forums after a while who's posts you need to pass over without reading.Get with a group that does what your interested in. I think just about all of them are always looking for members.
<S> and welcome
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As a game programmer I like to check out and play other games every now and again. Aces High is an excellent MMO game that I could easily get additted to if I had the time. The realism is awesome and it seems like the Aces High team is adding more content to the game all the time to make the game better.
Here is the one rub I have with the game playing it, and it is a very important aspect I don't think the Aces High team has planned into the game. I have played and help write some MMO games and never have I seen a MMO game with more distain for new members then this one. Even though I enjoyed the overall gameplay from the beginning, as a new member I found myself with nothing to do but practice some and then when I felt like joining in the fun all I ever got was grief.
I would practice flying planes, then join in only to be rediculed. I would play 5" gunner on a CV and shoot down many attacking planes, never once to be congratulated by anyone. Actually, it almost felt like people were pissed that there was a newbie on the CV gun. Whether or not that is true, that is how it felt to me as a new member.
The hatred for newbies in this game is unbelievable and it has more to do with the game design itself then anything else. The game designers need to add game content for new members where they can be respected and not be dished on from the day they join game. It is really rediculous in a way.
Other than that, the gameplay is awesome.
Please gamedev team lessen the hate on the newbies. I really don't see how you can increase your membership much with what they have to go through.
Sincerely,
Loco
LOL looks like someone needs some milk and cookies.
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I love you guys... there's been a lot of good laughs in this thread on my way here :rofl
So Locoweed, whether or not others agree with your assesment, it was, evidently, your opinion and your perception. In your post, you suggested HiTech create content for the n00bs. I think they already have to some extent (GV's, buffs, field and ship guns, supplies, etc... these are all ways that n00bs can get into the game more quickly and contribute and you often see relative n00bs in these roles) but I'm interested in what exactly YOU had in mind?
BTW, welcome back Storch!
Someday I want to be a respected member of the community too
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Hey Locoweed
I understand what you were trying to say with adding content to help new players advance further and all, but I can tell you from experience that the best way to learn is with other people helping you in the TA or DA or something. No one ever learned how to fly a plane from "Tutorial Mode" or "Beginner's Mode". Especially in this game. I've been play since May of last year, and I still suck. Horribly. But nobody has ever singled me out because I was a newbie or because I did something wrong, or because I've asked "wheres teh b29 w/ n00k liek in japan?" Everyone I've ever met in this game has been incredibly nice to me, because we are all part of a community where we all know what it's like to be a newbie and all that. Ask anybody whos played this game for a while, and 95% will tell you they've had a great experience.
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dude im just gonna say that even though i dont have much exp with MMO's this is the best ive played with the best community, Diablo 2's comunity is so full of cheats that if i ever get on and mess around with my 99 lvl charachters i do so alone and completley legit i mean if you wanna play a legit game there and even on realms your pretty much playing passworded games by yourself or with trusted freinds. such a turnoff (diablo 1 was way more fun anyway)
everyone has been very helpfull. the only resourse for noobs that i miss is the HTH function i spent over 8 months flying head to head until they shut it down. even then i had just the basics of flight down, and it has been maybe a less steep learning curve (the MA is a completely different beast.
still i have the most fun on squad nights, and i know that my knowledge of the game has only grown since getting into a good squad with guys who train on a regular basis.
i used to country jump a lot and it kept me from meeting folks to fly with i would go to wichever side had the least, cause i thought it was more fair, but now i pretty much stay rooks, and ill tell everyone regardless of the Alt monkey tags rooks and everyone gets.
(there are some very good and very nice players on the rook side)
but its a secret so dont tell anyone.
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I have been playing for about 4 years now, and I am just starting to get "WTG"'s from countrymen on channel. Usually just one or 2.
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Heh, I've been playing for nearly 8 months now....do I get wtg's - oh no (mind you, thats because I dont actually get kills very often - or land them.... :D)
*wanders away muttering "must learn to land a plane"*
Wurzel
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I think locoweed is right.
You guys griefing and mocking him are just proving his point.
You guys saying he is begging for attaboys are totally missing his point.
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As a game programmer I like to check out and play other games every now and again. Aces High is an excellent MMO game that I could easily get additted to if I had the time. The realism is awesome and it seems like the Aces High team is adding more content to the game all the time to make the game better.
Here is the one rub I have with the game playing it, and it is a very important aspect I don't think the Aces High team has planned into the game. I have played and help write some MMO games and never have I seen a MMO game with more distain for new members then this one. Even though I enjoyed the overall gameplay from the beginning, as a new member I found myself with nothing to do but practice some and then when I felt like joining in the fun all I ever got was grief.
I would practice flying planes, then join in only to be rediculed. I would play 5" gunner on a CV and shoot down many attacking planes, never once to be congratulated by anyone. Actually, it almost felt like people were pissed that there was a newbie on the CV gun. Whether or not that is true, that is how it felt to me as a new member.
The hatred for newbies in this game is unbelievable and it has more to do with the game design itself then anything else. The game designers need to add game content for new members where they can be respected and not be dished on from the day they join game. It is really rediculous in a way.
Other than that, the gameplay is awesome.
Please gamedev team lessen the hate on the newbies. I really don't see how you can increase your membership much with what they have to go through.
Sincerely,
Loco
1.)You can't spell.
2.)It's initiation, if you can get through that, not crack, and not be a total bum, then maybe you'd start getting "<S>"s, or "wtg"s. But from what I can tell, you've only played for about 3 days and got on the forum to rant about how badly we ALL got treated one time or another.
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I think locoweed is right.
You guys griefing and mocking him are just proving his point.
You guys saying he is begging for attaboys are totally missing his point.
I agree.
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I once was one of top ranked counterstrike players in the world
Konane, is that you?
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No look, you cant say he is completely wrong here,
But:
AH is not nearly as rough on the surface as Warbirds was when I was looking to start playing a WW2 sim. I had played WB's offline and was pretty familiar with it and was aching to get online. I looked at thier message board for a while and decided it didn't feel right for me. It felt like you dont belong now, you cant belong without playing and you cant play if you dont belong!
Looked into AH a month or so later and after scanning the boards, I signed on.
So, no this is not the worst game for newbie hate IMO
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One possable solution; The two week free trial should limit the player to the Training, Dueling, and Early War Arenas, once a subscriber, they can explore the rest of the game.
That's a GREAT idea...maybe cut it down to one week.
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I disagree Max, one week is barely enough to get a decent handle on the basics, you'd need another week to begin to explore your potential.
It didn't matter to me, I was hooked on the first day and had subscribed before my first week was up :lol
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Loco is right of course.
I'd like to know how other games 'design' newbie friendliness into your average game community?
Some ideas:
- Newbie arena.
- Scripted tutorial.
- "Julie from the Loveboat" moderator that can help and guide new players into good squads.
Keeping the young pups from the jackels and guiding them towards the great players of the community would help.
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I think locoweed is right.
You guys griefing and mocking him are just proving his point.
You guys saying he is begging for attaboys are totally missing his point.
He's right--I hate him already :)
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There is no point to be made here.
He's upset because he didn't get a "wtg" for killing someone? Give me a break. zOMG Dude, you just blasted that guy in that 5 incher, wtfg, you are now my hero! Yea, right....
As for the rest of the newbies, its this simple. When you come into the game and ask a million and one questions, when the answers are in the help file, you deserve everything you get. Quit being lazy and read the dang thing, if you can't read I'm sure we can get it put on cassette for you.
Those who are genuine about learning the game I have no problem helping. But when they come in asking "How do I talk on radio" or "How do I drop my bombs", alt F4 or enter 3 times is the answer, sorry.
Someone mentioned a "newbie arena" We have one, its call the Training Arena. If it was utilized a little more, we might not even be having this discussion.
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There is no point to be made here.
He's upset because he didn't get a "wtg" for killing someone? Give me a break. zOMG Dude, you just blasted that guy in that 5 incher, wtfg, you are now my hero! Yea, right....
As for the rest of the newbies, its this simple. When you come into the game and ask a million and one questions, when the answers are in the help file, you deserve everything you get. Quit being lazy and read the dang thing, if you can't read I'm sure we can get it put on cassette for you.
Those who are genuine about learning the game I have no problem helping. But when they come in asking "How do I talk on radio" or "How do I drop my bombs", alt F4 or enter 3 times is the answer, sorry.
Someone mentioned a "newbie arena" We have one, its call the Training Arena. If it was utilized a little more, we might not even be having this discussion.
While this post does have merit (as in a lot of newbies expect to be spoonfed at times), it (and a LOT of other posts in this thread) also goes to show how bad attitudes are prevalent towards newbies.
The reply "Read the help files" or "go to the TA and ask" are only a tiny bit longer to type than "hit enter 3 times" or "alt-f4 to drop bombs" and are about ten thousand times more helpful.
Of course, there are some people who just enjoy being love muffines.
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Just stamp a gaint 'HANDLE WITH CARE' on the newbies forheads and this can be avoided :aok
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Unbelievable how the eletist attitudes come spueing forth in these threads. Before i started playing in the mains or any arena i spent alot of time in TA offline and online. I read all the help file stuff yet when i actually put it into practice some of it didnt work as expected. Yes some will call me a dweeb cause i couldnt figure it out on my own, so be it.If it wasnt for a few nice folks in the mains that actually took the time to help me out with the little neuonces such as calibrateing useing E6B or gunning with a cv 5" gun i would have gotten so frustrated i may have quit. Dont pay any attention to these posts that piss an maon telling you to go to TA and read the help files my man, theres some things the help files are no help with at all. :salute
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I pay to play a flight sim, not to coddle the frail ego of a newbie with a gimme now attitude.
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I pay to play a flight sim, not to coddle the frail ego of a newbie with a gimme now attitude.
It sticks in my throat but I have to agree with him.
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loco's off base for the most part. In general one gets the feeling he's talking about the MAs, but just in case he's also including the forums, he needs to know the following: Probably over HALF the new accounts made are folks that have been in this game for 5 years and KNOW better, but want to troll, or ask stupid questions, without fear of being banned/chastized. If you were to look at an average first-poster asking for a b-29 and some other features, you MIGHT think it was an innocent question if you didn't know better. WE know better. We've been around long enough to have seen this happen so many times. So if you see harsh replies to maybe innocent first-posts by some forum goers, it's because there's a better than good chance this is NOT a new forum member. That may skew your perspective.
Other than that...
HTC can help new players out by doing the following:
- Giving a printable "default" keymap that can be downloaded. 99% of the time the basic questions would be answered if a player simply went into their keymapping and looked at what all the default keys were. Since I ever started gaming, waaaay back, the FIRST thing I needed to know was what KEYS to press! It's basic logic! Look at the key map! Barring that, giving the newbies a pdf file or something to print off might help
- Printing a MOTD on your screen every time you start up for a year, in bold, that says "YOU ARE NOT GOOD AT THIS GAME! DO NOT PRETEND YOU ARE! LEAVE YOUR EGO AT HOME! IT DOESN'T MATTER WHICH GAMES YOU MOVED OVER FROM, DUDE, PLEASE UNDERSTAND YOU SUCK AND WILL FOR SOME TIME!" and then in bold, underlined, italicized, blinking red font, have it say "THIS GAME IS HARD" and that should probably help a lot of folks out........ maybe.
- include a basic windows help file with the game, rather than online on the webpage.
- mention that folks can get help from the forums if they are just getting started. Asking for help in-game can yield results, but posting in the forums will almost always get some helpful replies, and they will be typed out better, be more informative, and may include links to resources you need, all in 1 place. If you do this in the arenas, it's harder to impart all this info in such a short time.
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Unbelievable how the eletist attitudes come spueing forth in these threads....
Elitist? Sorry, I don't see how it is my job to teach noobs that can't even be bothered to read the help files. Anyone too lazy or too stupid to bother doing so, is a waste of time....and yes, I see them every night....."how do i move"...."how do i drop a bomb"...etc.. Elitist attitudes my great wide wahinni!!!
In the past, I have (and will continue) helped a number of players. I have only ever asked that they have taken the time to try and gather clues themselves and that they willing pass they learn to others...with no strings. BTW, this is done on my own 'dime'.
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I'll help anyone....I think Jesus would be that way.
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Lets see;
I have been Hoed, Picked, Roped.
I have been called a nOOb and a Dweeb.
I have received PMs calling me every name you can think of.
I have been told to learn ACM and told to go to the TA.
I have been challanged to go to the DA.
Its funny how everyone tells me how to spend my $15.00, when the reality is I actually pay more than most of the players because I live in Texas...Got to add the tax.
I have been told to subject myself to the wisdom of the older players, when in fact I'm probably older than most of them by a long shot.
I have been told to get a life, not much I can do about that, since I'm about to retire.
AND THE FUNNY THING IS I KEEP COMING BACK FOR MORE!!!!!!!!!!!! :D
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I would like to see more respect for country channel (Bish)
Seems recently i've had to squelch ALOT of players all talking away enthusiastically about what base to capture etc etc.
Is there a tutorial with screenshots that tells the newer player how to use the radio and what kind of etiquette should be applied? I'm 80% certain that these players do not realise they can tune into different channels and talk amongst themselves.
Not that im a miserable bastage i just feel it would be better if these teens tuned to their own squad channel and talked on there. The main reason being that you can't de-tune country and we havent got perma squelch. It's bordering on a mild form of torture.
I agree with you loco the game is tough on newbs and I do hate the ones who haven't a clue. Obviously there are a fair share who do bother to read the help files, work offline to do succesful landings and to practice gunnery, work with a trainer in the TA etc. I have all the time in the world to answer these newbie questions. I think its much more about manners and if you got that this community will accept you with open arms.
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I'll help anyone....I think Jesus would be that way.
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I bet he would swear black and blue if he found himself on your six :p
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Hi Krusty,
I understand what you are saying, but lets face reality here. Have you ever searched this forum with keywords "Newbie Hate"? Get real, there is newbie hate here no matter how much you want to think there is not. It exist here more than any other MMO I have ever seen, and I have played them all.
You are absolutely correct. It's almost like "posession mania" with some players. In the MA, if I notice in the text (being an old phart I got slow eyes) I send a WTG! or other acknowledgement. But action and text flies by so fast sometimes I swear I'm on the floor of the NYSE.
Now in the FSO, Scenarios, Snapshots, Air Races, and AvA, you'll see a marked increase in WTG's on landing kills. Might even hear a couple for clearing somebody's 6.
Now I'm the curious sort of chap, and have to ask what kind of progamming you do? If it's freelance, or contractual, you might want to peek at http://frontier1859.com/forum/index.php (http://frontier1859.com/forum/index.php) FRONTIER 1859's a game in development, with some pretty good Alpha concepts of gameplay, environment factors and such to add to the immersion 'feel' of being on the Frontier during the settler expansion of America.
:salute
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I have only been playing for 11 monthes or so, and as a noobie, I have never been treated with dis-respect.
Am I some wounder kid who mastered the game in one afternoon? NO. Did I already know all these people before I started playing? NO. Have I been told that " you suck" or "F-you" or "noob tard" or the like, YES.
Generally because it was true or I did something that was not appropriate. Now that comment has become somewhat of a badge of honor, depending on the situation. Sometimes I deserve the comment though.
Here is how I started.
First, I spent a lot of time in the Training arena before entering a Main Arena. Know the basics befor going to the M/A.
Second, while training, I was also reading on Aces High, Sodas etc. Sometimes dry reading, but it gets more interesting as you understand more of how it effects your game play.
Third, Once in the Main Arenas, I flew in missions, I winged up with people, and I only asked questions I could not find answers to, or just basicly, got to know the people.
Now the issue Loco is refering to: The person that comes in and goes straight to the Main Arena and is asking "How do I take off?" or a simmilar type of beguiner question.
The community answers with, "please go to the training arena".
After 30 more minuites of, "come on, somebody tell me how to take off!" and a million join requests sent, the player gets squelched, or is openly ridiculed on country channel.
What kind of response would you expect? Every player in this game has spent many hours reading, practicing and helping others, this player is showing no ambishion to learn on there own.
The "hatred" you speek of is more like frustration. I do not think we could put a number on how many of these people we tollerate on a weekly basis. Most of use will help those that are trying to help themselves learn, and show an honest ambision to play the game, heck, I spent almost all my play time last sunday helping some kid out.
The player that comes in and thinks this is an X-box game is saddly mistaken, and the people playing here generally do not feel obligated to baby sit somebodies twelve year old with A.D.D.
Does this game have a steep learning curve, yes.
Are we "hatefull" of new players, no.
Will we repect your Q/A sesion while we are Paying to play our game...Maybe.
One possable solution; The two week free trial should limit the player to the Training, Dualing, and Early War Arenas, once a subscriber, they can explore the rest of the game.
P.S. Pardon the spelling.
screw you i hate you noob, tard, you... you... you...
awwwwwwwww im just messin :D
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Well, speaking as a noob, I've found most to be genuinely helpful.
Sometimes we are not really sure exactly where to find the help info and sometimes even after reading it, it doesn't all make sense to us.
As far as the training arena is concerned, when you are brand new you may not know exactly what is the best thing for you to be working on. Not sure what others are doing (if they have time to work with you).
Some of us can't make the times for the open clinics etc.
As far as staying out of the main arenas until you are proficient at this game, I for one, wanted to at least check it out to see what it was all about before subscribing. When I am in there, I am reluctant to join missions, wing up w others because I don't want to saddle others with someone who isn't even versed with all the terminology let alone proficient in the game, but seeing how the main arenas work is also a part of learning this game.
There was one time when may have committed an offense, I was chasing a spitfire along with someone else. I wasn't sure who was on the guy first, but I broke off pursuit, and a little later as I was turning I found the same bandit in my sights, so I took the shot.
Sorry, unknown La7 guy but I was in position, and I tried to give you first crack earlier.
So I am paying my 15 bucks, learning at the pace I can, and when I am in the arenas generally providing target fodder for you hotshots, I'm still having fun and I can at least land a damn plane now!
Cheers,
Jim
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Loco,
I agree with some things you say and disagree with some.
I disagree that AH needs to be changes by High Tech. I think the game is just fine. It is a very challenging game and there is a protracted learning curve unlike most game out now days. Most game are like the first person shooter where my 6 year old can reign supreme after only a few hours of play. Lots of power ups and resurrections to be had. Not in this game. I don’t want that to change.
I do strongly agree with you on how “newbs” are treated by some of the community in here. Of course it is not just AH that has this issue. I have been playing these Online Air Combat Sims for about 18 years now and they all are similar in that respect. I think you need to be aware that the population base in this community as with most communities in online games has a rather young component to it. So there is a proportion that is a bit immature yet to be polite. I will use the responses you are getting to this post as evidence of that proportion. Some people here are sharing some knowledge with you recalling what it was like in an effort to help you. Others are just ripping at you so they can pound their chest and howl. You need to develop the ability to tell the difference between the decent people in here that are willing to share with you and help you along and those that have… to put it bluntly…. “Never been anywhere, Never done anything and Don’t Know S##T”.
I believe there is a difference between a competitive relationship between players where a bit of teasing and razzing and poking fun is done all in good sport and the “Verbal Vomiting” done by those that just don’t know any better.
Some advice, if you want to have fun in here or any Air Combat Sim that is played online you need to learn to just flat out ignore the jerks and listen only to those that are willing to talk to you, share some things and take the time to show you how its done or how you could improve your game and fun doing it. This is a very humbling game, learn to like getting your rear end shot off because it will happen a lot and for a long time until you develop the skill to hold your own. Don’t quit, be persistent and it will pay off. You will find a lot of people along the way in both categories.
Here is something to read that is as relative in AHII today as it has ever been with any flight simm that has ever been. It was written long ago about Air Warrior. I have kept it all these years because it is one of those “Truths” that just never goes away. Please read it and enjoy. See if you can figure out who is whom in AHII.
MO NANA'S
Air Warrior is like the Empire State building. And Air Warriors are like monkeys.
When ya first start you're a little, organ-grinder size monkey standing on the street outside. Looking up you see a building swarming with hostile monkeys of all different shapes and sizes. Monkeys are born to climb, and there ain't no Fay Wrays standing on the street, so instinct takes over and soon you're jousting for a handhold and making yer way up the wall.
Some are Fast Monkeys. A bit of natural ability combined with an in depth knowledge of climbing. They become familiar with the cracks and crevices of the particular building and begin to apply their knowledge within those parameters. Soon they are climbing, dodging, or scrambling right over some of the bigger monkeys and snatching bananas from the slower ones, growing bigger.
Others are Scrappy Monkeys. These monkeys spend extra time practicing. They ask lots of questions and live for the chance to go toe to toe with the bigger monkeys. They punch, kick, bite, claw, and spit at the monkeys above them. Scarred, bloody, and with big ol'chunks of fur ripped out they monkey butts they keep hammering. Occasionally they land a good blow, right in the monkey 'nards, and topple a bigger monkey. This inspires them to fight even harder. Soon they learn where to hit and when to duck. They begin to take their share of bananas.
Then there's the Hungry Monkeys. "Mo'nanas!, mo'nanas!" they chant as they cling to the wall from 6:01pm til 7:59 am. Calculating that mo'nanas go to the monkeys with mo hangtime they know that if they hang long enough they will get mo then their share of the 'nanas. Of course they need deep pockets to sustain this frenzy, can't eat all them 'nanas at once, and are prone to the dreaded "Banana Split". They must be very careful, lest they wind up another furry puddle of monkey guts in some alley off 34th street.
Also, ya got yer Techno Monkeys. Bumpy FrankenSchwanz in each paw, electrode catheters up their tails, anti-lock stainless steel vine swingers attached to their feet, gold plated groin clamps feeding g-inducing jugular valves hooked into the fastest system available, with the biggest monitor, tuned to peak performance and cranking out thru a megagigawatt, 3D, multi-usual Krakatoa Banana Blaster, these monkeys spend alot of time diddlin with their gadgets and tweaking their way up the wall.
And, we got MacGyver Monkeys. Riding systems that time forgot with nothing more than a handful of Froot Loops and a pile of bat guano they use every trick in the book, and plenty that ain't, to squirm their way heavenward. Always heavy, uncovering obscure and hidden bananas, they invent their way along using every micro-ounce of every banana that they managed to ensnare, even to the point of using the peels for clothing and shelter.
Advancing their altitudinous aspirations, AW Monkeys invariably encounter the various denizens of the virtual Jungle.
Most encounter the Hurler Monkeys first. Kinda like chimps, these sociable chaps gather in large communal halls, spending their time practicing monkey yells and poking each other in the navel. Once in awhile they venture out for a climb but are much happier chillin' with their mates on the middle floors, flingin' monkey turds and grinnin' at all what pass by.
Out on the wall a common first encounter is with a Sumo Monkey. These are the veteran Hungry Monkeys. They've been there twice, done that backwards. All the nonessential flotsam has been skimmed and the essence of the climb congealed to a Zen like "See monkey, knock monkey down" philosophy. When ya hear "Monkey X took my 'nanas 16 times in a row one day", Monkey X is most likely a Sumo.
No avoiding it, eventually every climber crosses ledges with Tribal monkeys. Wearing the skins of dead monkeys, gathering in private branches painted in various warlike colors, they belch, fart, thump 'n headbutt their way around looking for others to belch, fart, thump 'n headbutt with. An astute climber can get a good belly full a slightly bruised 'nanas by finding an area where 2 or more groups of tribal monkeys have been thump 'n headbuttin'.
Look way up there, see that fuzzy li'l dot? That there's a Vulcher Monkey. High above the crowd, with a 10k alt advantage on next week, they float. Looking for the unsuspecting or hurtin climber, sporting k/ds over 8000 and k/ss round .0125, their motto is, "where there's smoke...we fire! (but only after the monkey what caused the smoke has been kilt first.)"
Legend has it that in the penthouses are the Wrinkled Monkeys. Rarely climbing, (hey yer in the penthouse, why climb more?) they only venture out under dark glasses. They have the rare and exotic 'nanas. Highly sought but useless to but a few climbers that are twisted enough to understand their full meaning, the Wrinks are content to live on past glory. They enjoy tossing an occasional 'nana out the window just to see how many climbers fall off trying to grab it.
AND, of course, The Kong Monkeys. At the peak of prosperity, clinging to the radio tower, chest pounding, Fay grabbin', teeth gnashing, flicking planes away as tho they were insects, we find the Kings. Keelin', scorin', the anchors of their respective tribal units, when a climber sees a Kong Monkey on the wall he heads for another country. Whole tribal units have been de-'nana-ed by single Kong Monkeys.
Just when Joe Average Monkey thinks he's seen everything, along comes a Kong Monkey and gives that girl a twirl and makes her whole wurl swirl. Clashes between Kongs can sometimes alter the entire shape of the wall, cause the climb to take a whole nuther direction, provide lotsa ammo for the Hurlers...
NOW FIGHT LIKE APES
Later,
KayBay
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hi moot,
Yes, I do appreciate and understand that there are trainers and even members on their own that help new people, which is good, but that doesn't lessen the fact that new members feel like they don't belong here.
I read that as: YOU locoweed, were made to feel that YOU didn't belong
Anyhow, it it just my opinion, that new members could be handled better than what it is now, nothing more.
You WERE in the wrong place to get an ego boost if you were expecting a plethora of WTG's for a couple of 5" gun kills off a CV... As many have stated (usually from having BEEN newbs themselves at some point in the "distant" past) Most players won't acknowledge new guys until they have seen them around a while. This is because of the countless questions like "how do I fire my guns" (for example) from 2 week free trial "numbers guys". These questions usually occur when you are engaged in a furball or on the bomb run.
There are countless "veterans" who will help new guys with kindness and courtesy... myself included, but the truth is that if you REALLY want to see what the Aces High community is all about, SUBSCRIBE! Spend a couple of days in the training arena (aptly named as the primary resource for "getting it"), and read the help file. Then jump in the Main Arenas, join a squad and REALLY see what the game is all about. A couple of sorties on a two week free trial WILL NOT give you an accurate picture of the game OR the community at large. Everybody in the game was a newb once, and you will discover (as I did) that you won't get kudos until you've developed some friendships and earned a little respect.
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You WERE in the wrong place to get an ego boost if you were expecting a plethora of WTG's for a couple of 5" gun kills off a CV... As many have stated (usually from having BEEN newbs themselves at some point in the "distant" past) Most players won't acknowledge new guys until they have seen them around a while. This is because of the countless questions like "how do I fire my guns" (for example) from 2 week free trial "numbers guys". These questions usually occur when you are engaged in a furball or on the bomb run.
There are countless "veterans" who will help new guys with kindness and courtesy... myself included, but the truth is that if you REALLY want to see what the Aces High community is all about, SUBSCRIBE! Spend a couple of days in the training arena (aptly named as the primary resource for "getting it"), and read the help file. Then jump in the Main Arenas, join a squad and REALLY see what the game is all about. A couple of sorties on a two week free trial WILL NOT give you an accurate picture of the game OR the community at large. Everybody in the game was a newb once, and you will discover (as I did) that you won't get kudos until you've developed some friendships and earned a little respect.
Well put.
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Kudos to Kaybay for that Monkey analogy, It is so true and hilarious to boot!
As for the OP, I can only echo others. AH has an incredibly steep learning curve. Noone knows who the red guy on the other side of the reticle is and nobody will ever, ever, EVER cut you any slack. There are plenty of more mature players who will be helpfull on country chat or ch6.
The absolute best advice I can give you is to avoid ch 200 and dont ask questions over ranged. That and find a squad.
Good Luck
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I did not write that. I found it back in the early 90's when I was flyin AW. Here is a link to a page that currently has it.
http://www.vulch.clara.co.uk/monanas.html
I dont know who the original author is, I am not that bright nor insightful to produce such an awesome document. Wish I was, I wouldn't be working where I am. :O
Later,
KayBay
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what's the issue, been there........ still there, sticks and stones man. Get better and get noticed. how do you americans say....oh yeah, hoo harrr.
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KayBayRay, what years, and what number?
4244 & 4100
HiTech
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867 & 5309?
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:huh
Bah! the only newbs that get ripped on are the ones that put their squeakey selves out there reliving every moment of what happened at shool today over ranged channel :eek: , or as was said above engage in some form of dweedery in their ride of choice. I have no problem helping those whoom want to help themselves and learn :aok , but I do hold distain for the ones that feel entitled to a "lets all hug an sing koombahya, hold me Im a noob" :cry attitude from those whoom have been here some time. When I was new I acted respectful, tried my best to LEARN wich in this game means alot of flying and dieing. I also did not fill the vox and text with any "waaa how do I do......" fill in the blank I'm sure we all have heard it. What I DID do was first I read any AHII online documents I could find along with any generic ACM literature then I found a great group of guys to fly with and learned the ropes through them :cool: , so I shared in their experience and got none of the noobish tyraids like would have come from acting all "ooh Im new, pity me" on range vox or country channel.
To HTC, y'all got a fine sim here and you are dooing a great job. Keep it up! :aok
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hi moot,
Yes, I do appreciate and understand that there are trainers and even members on their own that help new people, which is good, but that doesn't lessen the fact that new members feel like they don't belong here.
Anyhow, it it just my opinion, that new members could be handled better than what it is now, nothing more.
The more you post the more it sounds like a personal problem. The training arena has many great folks willing to help you. Offline you can fly and practice till your heart is content. In game you can fly the lower numbered early war arena to get a better feel. If on the other hand you need constant hand holding and prodding in the fighting arenas, you'll be disappointed.
My suggestion is go into an arena and just have fun.... die alot...(you get a new plane :aok ) Don't try to think you'll be a pro in a short period. When you die take into account how many you took with you and smile. :D
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I have been playing since 2000, and no one likes me, either. I think it's because I am so old my voice is kinda squeaky. It gets drunk too fast.
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Ok, here is the thing i think HTC should do.... to solve the noob problem.. make the noobs go to the TA for 24 hours or somtin, so they dont go into main arena spammin the channel sayin "how do u start the engine", problem solved
-BigBOBCH
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for one issue it sure is taking along time to get nowhere
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It's all OK.
I'm a newb (2nd time around). If you don't want conflict or to be made to feel foolish play solitaire. Otherwise fly, drive, sail and get killed. At the end of the day take criticism and use it to your advantage, digest it, decide if it's valid and use it if you can. Unless you can do that you won't go any further than nowhere. If Aces High caused me that much grief I would pull the plug. My only stress is from my own inability against others who battle me, but with each panoramic view from my chute I try and work out where I failed and think of ways not to repeat the performance.
As for getting talk from older crew (that's older in terms of experience, not age), it's just a part of life in the virtual world. There are many occasions where I'm hassled for not giving a check 6 or I'm not given a check 6 so some "bad guy" can whip mine but in turn get his own whipped by the crafty individual sneaking up on him. It's all part of the game. The only thing that matters is that for a small time you are over a foreign shore locked in a life and death struggle.
My only $0.02 thoughts are;
I am 8 hours ahead of GMT meaning 14 hours ahead of USA east, so most of my sessions at 18.00 are at your 04.00 - get up earlier so the sky is more full.
Because of where I am, it's great hearing radio chatter. I either feel I'm in the Dukes of Hazzard, on Jerry Springer or in OC depending on the voice (that's a joke "Land of the Free, Home of the Brave" - learn to take it as such).
That's it - no complaints.
As Roy Rogers often said "Happy Trails"
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As a game programmer I like to check out and play other games every now and again. Aces High is an excellent MMO game that I could easily get additted to if I had the time. The realism is awesome and it seems like the Aces High team is adding more content to the game all the time to make the game better.
Here is the one rub I have with the game playing it, and it is a very important aspect I don't think the Aces High team has planned into the game. I have played and help write some MMO games and never have I seen a MMO game with more distain for new members then this one. Even though I enjoyed the overall gameplay from the beginning, as a new member I found myself with nothing to do but practice some and then when I felt like joining in the fun all I ever got was grief.
I would practice flying planes, then join in only to be rediculed. I would play 5" gunner on a CV and shoot down many attacking planes, never once to be congratulated by anyone. Actually, it almost felt like people were pissed that there was a newbie on the
CV gun. Whether or not that is true, that is how it felt to me as a new member.
The hatred for newbies in this game is unbelievable and it has more to do with the game design itself then anything else. The game designers need to add game content for new members where they can be respected and not be dished on from the day they join game. It is really rediculous in a way.
Other than that, the gameplay is awesome.
Please gamedev team lessen the hate on the newbies. I really don't see how you can increase your membership much with what they have to go through.
Sincerely,
Loco
It's to keep the squeakers away :noid
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867 & 5309?
:rofl :rofl :rofl
Did everyone else just totally miss this? :D
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It's all OK.
I'm a newb (2nd time around). If you don't want conflict or to be made to feel foolish play solitaire. Otherwise fly, drive, sail and get killed. At the end of the day take criticism and use it to your advantage, digest it, decide if it's valid and use it if you can. Unless you can do that you won't go any further than nowhere. If Aces High caused me that much grief I would pull the plug. My only stress is from my own inability against others who battle me, but with each panoramic view from my chute I try and work out where I failed and think of ways not to repeat the performance.
As for getting talk from older crew (that's older in terms of experience, not age), it's just a part of life in the virtual world. There are many occasions where I'm hassled for not giving a check 6 or I'm not given a check 6 so some "bad guy" can whip mine but in turn get his own whipped by the crafty individual sneaking up on him. It's all part of the game. The only thing that matters is that for a small time you are over a foreign shore locked in a life and death struggle.
My only $0.02 thoughts are;
I am 8 hours ahead of GMT meaning 14 hours ahead of USA east, so most of my sessions at 18.00 are at your 04.00 - get up earlier so the sky is more full.
Because of where I am, it's great hearing radio chatter. I either feel I'm in the Dukes of Hazzard, on Jerry Springer or in OC depending on the voice (that's a joke "Land of the Free, Home of the Brave" - learn to take it as such).
That's it - no complaints.
As Roy Rogers often said "Happy Trails"
Welcome to Ah... well said. I'm from Texas and I'm sure I sound like it.. lol