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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: LTARstud on March 22, 2008, 10:54:24 AM
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So I got to try the new osti last night and the new model sure restricks the gunners view. Unable to raise up and there are blind spots. This upgrade to me makes this ride almost useless. Am I missing something about the view as seen from the gunners seat ? :mad:
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lol
LTAR is made cuz he cant cheat in the new Osti!!
haha
:noid
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I hope they do the same thing with the wibl.
Altho, now i can see the osti being used as it was supposed to be.
Sitting, waiting for a low flock of bombers.Not shooting and hitting a 350+mph fighter at 3.0k out.
"but im just that good" yeah? then why cant you do it without giving yourself the view advantage?
Exactly.
The osti's changed, get over it, get use to it.
Do you people have any idea how many films or secret pm's HTC probably has gotten OVER THE YEARS calling people cheaters and hacks for "bein' so good" yet you rob these very same people of a view exsploit, and they are the first to cry.
Change!?..omg nooooooooo. :|
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"View exploit?"
Wow, that's rich. I guess anyone who saves any head position in the cockpit of any airplane is also using a "view exploit." Nope - you should only be able to look straight back into your headrest . . . no moving your view to the side. F3 from bombers is CERTAINLY a view exploit by comparison as well. Why don't we take away those "exploits" as well, eh?
Don't be silly.
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"but im just that good" yeah? then why cant you do it without giving yourself the view advantage?
Because I'm a lame cheater. I once took shamelessly advantage of changing & saving my cockpit views. I reached a new low when I started to use my TrackIr. I'm even cheap enough to raise my head position in drivers station in tanks, so that I'm not hampered by the small vision slit.
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I hope they do the same thing with the wibl.
Altho, now i can see the osti being used as it was supposed to be.
Sitting, waiting for a low flock of bombers.Not shooting and hitting a 350+mph fighter at 3.0k out.
"but im just that good" yeah? then why cant you do it without giving yourself the view advantage?
Exactly.
The osti's changed, get over it, get use to it.
Do you people have any idea how many films or secret pm's HTC probably has gotten OVER THE YEARS calling people cheaters and hacks for "bein' so good" yet you rob these very same people of a view exsploit, and they are the first to cry.
Change!?..omg nooooooooo. :|
Just because you suck in it, doesn't mean "other's are exploiting a thing".
I have NO PROBLEMS with using the default gun sight and getting kills up to 4k out. Only one "crying" is yourself, calling others "cheaters". I use the standard default view and have NO PROBLEMS landing 7-8 kills.
I went into the Wirblewind the other night for the first time, one trigger pull, one kill. Ended up with 3. All for 3 trigger pulls. Yes, some of us are "THAT GOOD".
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Yeah well, the change's made are for a reason. "common ground"
Im just glad it was done.
Sorry if it gives you all a bad day.
:rock
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I never used this "view exploit". I don't game the game and I love it when chumps like you start whining because you come into contact with someone/something better than you, so your scores cannot be padded.
Bad day? Hardly. Keep whining!!
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Out of all the gamey things that are normal in the arenas, I find the idea of a gunner moving his head around in an open top turret to be fairly low on the scale, well below vulching, spawn points, and instant resupply.
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Just because you suck in it, doesn't mean "other's are exploiting a thing".
I have NO PROBLEMS with using the default gun sight and getting kills up to 4k out. Only one "crying" is yourself, calling others "cheaters". I use the standard default view and have NO PROBLEMS landing 7-8 kills.
I went into the Wirblewind the other night for the first time, one trigger pull, one kill. Ended up with 3. All for 3 trigger pulls. Yes, some of us are "THAT GOOD".
<S> Masherbrum and yes sir you are "That Good "
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<S> Masherbrum and yes sir you are "That Good "
<<S>> Bro. See you in the MA's
Karaya
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"View exploit?"
Wow, that's rich. I guess anyone who saves any head position in the cockpit of any airplane is also using a "view exploit."
Don't be silly.
My thoughts exactly target.
:aok
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lol
LTAR is made cuz he cant cheat in the new Osti!!
haha
:noid
But at least he knows how to spell basic simple words.
Your post is the funniest one that I have seen in a long time.
:lol :lol :lol :lol
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I am not up to LTAR standards in the Ostie, but I could get some kills in them. Sometimes a couple of hundred a month. But I agree, the Osite is now worthless.
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So I got to try the new osti last night and the new model sure restricks the gunners view. Unable to raise up and there are blind spots. This upgrade to me makes this ride almost useless. Am I missing something about the view as seen from the gunners seat ? :mad:
thank god!!
you mean there's not gonna be 15 ostis on a single vbase now/? or a flock of them running to the 1/2 down town?
:O
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thank god!!
you mean there's not gonna be 15 ostis on a single vbase now/? or a flock of them running to the 1/2 down town?
:O
<S> CAP1 I have to agree with you sir. Now though you will see 15 Wirblewinds on a single V base and a flock of wirblewinds going to take down town. This new GV is just as effective and maybe more so if supplies are brought to take down town. Any low flying aircraft such as the B25 or IL2 will be easy targets.
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<S> CAP1 I have to agree with you sir. Now though you will see 15 Wirblewinds on a single V base and a flock of wirblewinds going to take down town. This new GV is just as effective and maybe more so if supplies are brought to take down town. Any low flying aircraft such as the B25 or IL2 will be easy targets.
o great.........know what we need for them now?
landmines!!!!!!!! :D
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I was really looking forward to the new osti till I got in one and couldn't page up to get a better view. Everyone who has ever used one knows it was hard enough before now it's very hard unless they are coming right at you. I worked for along time to get good now the osti will be a hanger queen.
I was waiting for the 2 osti (for reach) and 3-4 wiblewind defence of a vh base and nothing would get in. Would force better tactic's on the attackers part. Only whinners want the bases easier to capture. I want the new osti look with the old osti views.
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So when the next patch comes out and it is learned the Pilot can no longer view anything but stright on..........how many whines do you think it will generate?? I would say far more than is posted here. As a pilot I'm dependent upon my views for SA (& I'm a SUX pilot :D). Same applies to GV drivers.
I heard from many, "Your a Cheater" because someone got a kill from an Osti 2.5 to 4.0 out. But BaDkaRmA you know as well as I do (& I know you know :D) those shots are rare & few. It's called spray and pray, and if your real lucky, and I mean really lucky,......some unfortunite NME pilot, who wasn't paying attention to SA, will fly into one of those golden BB's.
But no worries anymore, my golden BB won't by chance find you anymore because I'm unable to see you now, you now have a golden opportunity to fight and kill a blindman..........sounds challenging doesn't it.
<S>
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Guys, this is not about someone cheating or being too good, of course i know ltars are that good, everyone knows that.
Aparently the change was done for a reason, as to why it was not done with the wirble and all gv's i dunno.
But to compare that, to the view INSIDE the planes cockpit holds no ground.
Send HTC a mail asking why, and then let us know.
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Because I'm a lame cheater. I once took shamelessly advantage of changing & saving my cockpit views. I reached a new low when I started to use my TrackIr. I'm even cheap enough to raise my head position in drivers station in tanks, so that I'm not hampered by the small vision slit.
Keep your arms, legs AND kopf in the vehicle at all times, even if it is an open turret vehicle! You are such a cheater.
:rofl
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thank god!!
you mean there's not gonna be 15 ostis on a single vbase now/? or a flock of them running to the 1/2 down town?
:O
insted there will be a flock of wirlybirds
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I am not up to LTAR standards in the Ostie, but I could get some kills in them. Sometimes a couple of hundred a month. But I agree, the Osite is now worthless.
I STRONGLY disagree that the Ostie is worthless.
It is MORE EFFECTIVE against Buffs, IL2's and the larger craft. Takes less hits to down one. I can down Buffs with 3 hits and IL2's with 2 (not counting cockpit shots).
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:lol
Nothing will ever be as gamey as glass cockpits in AW. Cry me a river boo hoo.
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Yeah well, the change's made are for a reason. "common ground"
How does porking the ostie achieve common ground?
The ostie has been porked for all.
Rook,Knight,and Bish alike.
:lol
Cry me a river boo hoo.
Silly me, i thought you favoured more effective ground ack.
:salute
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The osti was hard enough before and I think everyone can agree there only a hand full of current player that are considered very good in it. So what's the big deal if there is a view option that helps make it "easier" to shoot. There were spotters so why not use the spotters perspective ie page up. Vulchers should worry more about the wirblewind anyway!
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well if no like sights, try whirbelwind
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Personally I can't stand the "new" view from the Ostie cockpit. The old view IMO was much better and at least you had somewhat of a fighting chance to defend yourself. The Wirbelwind is a devestating AA weapon, however it's got limted range and is still very vaunerable to strafe attack. I believe the playing field has been leveled a "little" and I do mean little. There has always been many aircraft with multi-barreled cannons, (not to mention bombs & rockets) there hasn't been any milti-barreled AA weapons except for the M16. The M16 just doesn't carry the punch of 20mm, 37mm or 40mm. This is why the twin & quad 40mm Bofors gun was so popular in WW2 and still used today.
Back to the topic, I'd like to see the view put back to it's original configuration, it just doesn't make sense. There's no way you're gonna tell me that if it were put back, planes would just simply be blown outta the sky. No more than they were a month ago IMO.
P.S. I'd still like to see the addition of the towed Flak88
My 2 cents
<S>
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So what's the big deal if there is a view option that helps make it "easier" to shoot.
Apparently it's enough of a big deal that those who are too lazy to
set their views will send enough "cheating" emails to HTC that it's an issue.
At least according to one poster in this thread.
:O
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The old view IMO was much better and at least you had somewhat of a fighting chance to defend yourself.
Didn't the Ostie have more than one pair of eyes looking out of the turret? If it did, it could be reason enough to give it its old view back, the same way bombers have external view enabled to simulate more eyes looking out than just the pilot's.
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thank god!!
you mean there's not gonna be 15 ostis on a single vbase now/? or a flock of them running to the 1/2 down town?
:O
I have bad news for you: The Wirbelwind takes down town buildings even faster than the Ostwind does.
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Guys, this is not about someone cheating or being too good, of course i know ltars are that good, everyone knows that.
Aparently the change was done for a reason, as to why it was not done with the wirble and all gv's i dunno.
But to compare that, to the view INSIDE the planes cockpit holds no ground.
Send HTC a mail asking why, and then let us know.
From viewing photos of actual Ostwinds, it does appear that the new view may actually be more historically accurate.
What has really changed, though, is the inability to raise up your view as much with the PAGE UP key.
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Since the new patch came out how often do you see anybody in an Osti? Very few if any. This is because it is now unusable for anything other than taking down a town. Historically you could get back behind the armor where your head was down but.....you could also be high enuff to see what you were shooting at and what the targets were. I don't think this was done on purpose and believe it to be a bug or poor modeling. HTC can you comment on this. This is a very good GV that was very important in base defense from low/mid alt attackers. The Wirblewind can only reach out to 1.5 - 2 K....whereas the Osti was good to 2.5 to 3k....and yes even for us those 3 and 4 k shots were rare. :salute. I would like to see mines that can be deployed from a jeep or m3...that would be cool. Also we need the big German railroad gun that can be moved around on land kinda like the CV's are now... :aok
Rogue
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the whirle should be light perked IMO
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Since the new patch came out how often do you see anybody in an Osti? Very few if any.
Rogue
In the first 6 days after the Wirbel was introduced, it got 12,600 kills. The Ostwind claimed 1,000 at the same time.
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In the first 6 days after the Wirbel was introduced, it got 12,600 kills. The Ostwind claimed 1,000 at the same time.
Thats alot of dead vulchers!!!!!!!
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the whirle should be light perked IMO
Nope...can't see as how it has hurt gameplay in anyway, except taken away some of the fun that flakking used to be. (People used to be REALLY stupid around Ostis because most people won't stick with them long enough to learn to be dangerous. They are smarter with Wirbels around.). I always knew better, and never got too crazy low with flaks in the area, don't believe I've been shot down by a Wirbel in a plane since they came out. An accurate dive bomber takes out the Wirble quite easy without entering most people's effective range for anything longer than a split second. The wirbel is only really dangerous to those puttering along at 3,000 feet agl. Vulchers, lanc-stuka types, town strafers in IL2s, de-ackers. Not much threat to those dive bombing at high speed or level bombing with a little alt. Gives GVs/defenders a fighting chance, favors true divebombing and level bombing over strafing with a C-hog, moves the whole fight maybe a might higher. Its a good thing.
It is a shame about the views in the Osti, they ought to fix them abit so people will drive them, its a fine machine and a little more punch for slightly high buffs and the like.
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Excellent Post BnZ :aok
Salute!
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Guys, this is not about someone cheating or being too good, of course i know ltars are that good, everyone knows that.
Aparently the change was done for a reason, as to why it was not done with the wirble and all gv's i dunno.
But to compare that, to the view INSIDE the planes cockpit holds no ground.
Send HTC a mail asking why, and then let us know.
Quit back-peddling. Views are not exploits.
Compared to the view INSIDE the planes cockpit, it's EXACTLY equivalent to taking away saved head positions in anything other than forward view in any of the F4U's. If HT did that, I bet you'd see the number of F4U's in the arenas drop precipitously (sp) as there would be no SA and the outcry would be huge. Of course those who choose to save those head positions are obviously exploiting the game :rolleyes:
In fact, I think they should take away saved head views in planes. Weren't the pilots strapped in? I certainly can't move my neck as far as I can move my head position in the game. What about moving your head back? Wasn't the pilots head restricted by a head rest or something? And I'm certainly not Linda Blair! Yep, I think I'll send HT an e-mail about head positions in aircraft. Totally unrealistic and only a dweeb would use such an exploit.
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Easy eagle. :rofl
Does not matter what i do or say (GASP or even think), you will probably never get back your osti view.
The best thing you can hope for is a spotter position.
And a FYI, pilots can move there heads around like that, and the ability to do so is another reason this game has a HUGE number or trackIR users and such other said devices. and NONE of them to my understanding are simply used for a person to stand up to get a better shot with a osti. (Altho its very possible)
Osti's turret and gunner position got updated aswell, the old view was for the "old" osti.
New osti turret is now taller, and the gunner sit's deeper inside.
Observer spot needed!, the T34 has one, bring it on for the osti please! (see, i do care)
I hope that will be good enough.
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What use would an observer position be?
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What use would an observer position be?
It would seem to me that you are raising here, a Moot Point!! :D
:aok
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I notice that the driver's head position still has the ability to move around outside the hull of the tank. I wonder which of the views is an oversight- the inside views with a wide range of movement, or the gunner's views, with a very limited range?
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Raising the drivers head up is the same as driving with the hatch open. Having the gunners view like it used to be is like having more than one in the turret. Both thought processes are legit.
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the whirle should be light perked IMO
WHY?
<S>
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"Does not matter what i do or say (GASP or even think), you will probably never get back your osti view.
The best thing you can hope for is a spotter position."
well as it turns out we are getting the old view back in the new patch...woot woot!!
LTARogue
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yeah congrats.
Moving right along. :rofl