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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: 2fly on June 14, 2008, 11:55:44 AM
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I dont have any film and because it could be a fluke I will not mention the name.
But anyway this is what happened and I do not believe that it is possible. This same thing happened a couple of months ago twice in one week with the same name.
I am flying along at an altitude of 7500 feet agl and climbing at 2500'/min and an indicated airspeed of 190.
Suddenly I take one hit and the rear stab is gone. I immediately hit the silk and look around and see nothing except an enemy V-base 7500' below me and appoxomately 2k off to starboard of my location. (there was no tracer stream that I saw) A few minutes later the "guilty party" lands 2 kills in a field gun and of course it is a name I have never seen before. A little later I see the same name land 2 kills yet again. I check the stats for this party and see a gunnery statistic for him of 129% accuracy. (dunno how greater than 100% is even possible in a field gun, but thats what the stats showed)
Now I dont make any claims of being an expert gunner or even any sort of great AH player, but this smacks of impossibility to me. At least without *cough* Cough* help *cough*.
Anyone else seen any of this lately? And am I totally off base to be suspicious of this?
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Field guns can reach out over 4,000 yards. You were at 2,500 yards if you were at 7,500 feet and even with horizontal seperation you were within range. I've hit bombers flying overhead at over 3K where their indicated alt on their altimeter would be 9,000+ feet.
No real mystery here, just a bit of luck, also, scores don't reflect ground gun accuracy and only the overall kill stats show ground gun kills.
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I've hit with a mk103 at d800 a few times so I wouldn't be surprised if the shot you thought was impossible really wasn't
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I've hit with a mk103 at d800
No, you didn't, at least not in AH2 :P
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No, you didn't, at least not in AH2 :P
does the 262 have a mk108?
i hit Lyric1 in his tempest from about 8-900 yards a while back.
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Lusche not sure if he remembers but if he does delirium can back me up
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does the 262 have a mk108?
i hit Lyric1 in his tempest from about 8-900 yards a while back.
:furious Yes he did the bugger on my end it showed 1000. It was spray & pray shot but he got me. lol.
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There you go lol proof that 30mm can hit at d800 lol :p
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There you go lol proof that 30mm can hit at d800 lol :p
I didn't say 30mm can't do that.
I just stated you didn't hit with a Mk 103 at D800.
And actually no one ever did that in AH... ;)
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Freezoid pwnt once again.
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hhmm....sounds like someone bought a cloaking device from the romulans. :O
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:furious Yes he did the bugger on my end it showed 1000. It was spray & pray shot but he got me. lol.
indeed it was, and mostly luck. from the begginer who srpays and misses from 200 yards to the other end to those who can spray from 800 yards and hit something vital sometimes, is there not then a scale of skill for even spray n pray?
how is this for 'aimbot' ?
spray n pray.ahf file 1MB (http://www.freeroleentertainment.com/gunnery.ahf)
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Lol wait what's the difference between the 103 and 108
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Lol wait what's the difference between the 103 and 108
The difference is about 360 m/s.
(And 235% greater gun weight too)
(http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk/WW2aircart2.jpg)
(source: http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk/WW2guneffect.htm)
the left 30mm shell is from a Mk 108, the right is from a MK 103
(BTW, the left 37mm round is fired by the P39, the right 37mm by the Yak-9T)
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One of the Jokers tried to run from my 109k in an La7 - set his butt on fire from 1000 out today, suprised there hasn't been a whine posted about an impossible shot yet.
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I'm on my mobile so I can't view that vid atm but it was in a k4 not sure which mk it carries
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I'm on my mobile so I can't view that vid atm but it was in a k4 not sure which mk it carries
Mk 108. No AH plane carries a Mk 103.
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Ok then lol I officialy declare myself village idiot
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Ok then lol I officialy declare myself village idiot
By looking at the BBS, I think it takes a lot more to attain such a lofty rank than that :D
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Freezard, you can redeem yourself by campaigning for adding the Me410. It has two of those schmilblicks in its nose, which has a conveniently located glass section between the pilot's feet, across which a lot of lead-shot targets fly. e.g. Spitfires.
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:D
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Freezard, you can redeem yourself by campaigning for adding the Me410. It has two of those schmilblicks in its nose, which has a conveniently located glass section between the pilot's feet, across which a lot of lead-shot targets fly. e.g. Spitfires.
Ive always backed this campaign frenchie! :pray
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I dont have any film and because it could be a fluke I will not mention the name.
But anyway this is what happened and I do not believe that it is possible. This same thing happened a couple of months ago twice in one week with the same name.
SNIP
Anyone else seen any of this lately? And am I totally off base to be suspicious of this?
Prolly not the same player but I did notice a certain long time player get good ack gun kills .......on a CONSISTANT basis. 2,500 ft and higher kills on fast moving fighters. Ones intuition becomes somewhat alarmed.
Because of the nature of the forum rules and understanding that this is a livelihood I really can't say more other than to say I spent nearly 1 whole tour in mannable acks to obtain the best possible fair minded out come.
My conclusion with MY COMPUTER 2 Ghz 1 mb ram GF 6600gt 256 vid card Average fps 40-ish it was freakin hard to kill fighters in a field gun and I mean HARD. Needless to say by the end of that tour my aim had picked up considerably but nowhere near the marksmanship of the guy that founded my curiosity. I can hit bombers close to 10k (not every time) but it doesn't do much unless you hit a b24's engine. I did kill a bn5 just above the horizon at 3.5k. I did get a few 2.5k kills on level flight fighters. The hardest fighters to hit were those in a fight with tight turns and jabos that swooped into fields.....still can't hit those.
Could I improve upon my 6 years experience....yes because I did in just one tour. That could be increased further with bigger better computer or vid card. I used the tracers to aim with but my system only shows tracers when there half way to target and the fall of shot. A slow curve effect. As you know depth is a hard perspective to see here.
Conclusion....this guy must have a megga system. :rolleyes:
fyi the outer circle on manable ack sight is 2.5k
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Prolly not the same player but I did notice a certain long time player get good ack gun kills .......on a CONSISTANT basis. 2,500 ft and higher kills on fast moving fighters. Ones intuition becomes somewhat alarmed.
Because of the nature of the forum rules and understanding that this is a livelihood I really can't say more other than to say I spent nearly 1 whole tour in mannable acks to obtain the best possible fair minded out come.
My conclusion with MY COMPUTER 2 Ghz 1 mb ram GF 6600gt 256 vid card Average fps 40-ish it was freakin hard to kill fighters in a field gun and I mean HARD. Needless to say by the end of that tour my aim had picked up considerably but nowhere near the marksmanship of the guy that founded my curiosity. I can hit bombers close to 10k (not every time) but it doesn't do much unless you hit a b24's engine. I did kill a bn5 just above the horizon at 3.5k. I did get a few 2.5k kills on level flight fighters. The hardest fighters to hit were those in a fight with tight turns and jabos that swooped into fields.....still can't hit those.
Could I improve upon my 6 years experience....yes because I did in just one tour. That could be increased further with bigger better computer or vid card. I used the tracers to aim with but my system only shows tracers when there half way to target and the fall of shot. A slow curve effect. As you know depth is a hard perspective to see here.
Conclusion....this guy must have a megga system. :rolleyes:
fyi the outer circle on manable ack sight is 2.5k
I would consider my self a pretty good shot in the manned ack & I have had many pm's sent to me for the supposed impossible shots I have pulled off & film was being sent in to Hitech. I have nailed bombers over 13'000 & shot down 262's over 500 mph. It's all practice & I spend way to much time in the manned ack to be able to do so.
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Haha.. Look at all the girly-rounds.. No wonder you guys go down with a single hit from the big gun Yak. :P
<S>...-Gixer
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I would consider my self a pretty good shot in the manned ack & I have had many pm's sent to me for the supposed impossible shots I have pulled off & film was being sent in to Hitech. I have nailed bombers over 13'000 & shot down 262's over 500 mph. It's all practice & I spend way to much time in the manned ack to be able to do so.
I appreciate skill in the game but can you go that consistantly in a 20mm mannable ack? Can you hit a con swooping lazy "S" into a field with all the other ack firing? Not being able to distinguish your tracer from the auto ack tracer?
Your not the guy I was refering to by the way. What sort of system do u use. Do u use tracer to aim with or do you use the site?....just wondering. I find high bomers easier to hit if I aim by walking the tracer on.
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I find it odd how someone can fire thru the corner of a hanger, but cant take return fire....... experienced that little joy today.
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Favorite shot ever was in K4 about 4 months ago. I was at 17K above a 14K cloud deck. Astronaut spixteen dives in on me, I dodge and prep for a split-S to follow him in, more hoping to make him brake hard and snap wings off more then anything. He starts to go level to climb then sees me about D400 behind him so he split-S'es to the cloud deck, I roll over again and line up a shot at about D600 and take it inverted and in a shallow dive. Fire 1 tater for the hell of it, by that time he's at D800 and gaining ground on me, theres no way it's going to hit. He passes through the cloud layer before the round does, a second later when I dive through the layer, he's spiraling to the ground missing a wingtip (just one, not both). I wasn't filming, and I honestly didn't see the ping, but I'm pretty sure it nailed him <G>.
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Don't forget, what may seem impossible from your POV can be a completely legit shot from the other persons... this is a game and there are ways to game the game in certain situations without cheating.
For example, in a man field ack i have occasionally used the F5 view zoomed out to see where my rounds are landing to hit GV's who otherwise i couldnt see behind hills etc. From his point of view, i am hitting impossible shots even when he is out of view from the base. I figure HT left the F5 view on field guns for a similar reason that they did buffs.
The greater than 100% percentage in field gun is probably due to hitting a town with cruiser guns.
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Prolly not the same player but I did notice a certain long time player get good ack gun kills .......on a CONSISTANT basis. 2,500 ft and higher kills on fast moving fighters. Ones intuition becomes somewhat alarmed.
Being a good shot in a 37mm is no easy task. I practiced for a year before I developed my method posted here and on netaces. Even still, if I stop practicing I get rusty pretty fast. I would even say, as I am a good shot in a fighter as well, that 37mm aiming is even harder than with fighter guns because the rounds travel slower and the lead is less intuitive. If someone is producing great shots with a 37mm (Ostwind or Field Gun) you can be pretty certain they aren't cheating they just pracice alot and likely read my aiming guide...
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Keep in mind that icon distances are measured in yards and altitudes in feet. If you fly over a manned ack at 4,500' agl thats only a 1.5k shot on his end.
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I appreciate skill in the game but can you go that consistantly in a 20mm mannable ack? Can you hit a con swooping lazy "S" into a field with all the other ack firing? Not being able to distinguish your tracer from the auto ack tracer?
Your not the guy I was refering to by the way. What sort of system do u use. Do u use tracer to aim with or do you use the site?....just wondering. I find high bomers easier to hit if I aim by walking the tracer on.
I know you were not referring to me. To answer your question yes. I have a high end computer that I can tell the difference between my tracer & auto acks. When the round is fired it is about the diameter of the end of a pencil by the time it gets to my target it is about the size of a pin head. I have a dell XPS700 with a Intel core2 Duo processor E6400 (2.13GHz,1066FSB) w/dual core & 2MB cache. 4GB DDR2 SDRAM @ 667MHz. Dual 256MG NVIDIA GeForce 7900 GS Serial ATA 2RAID 0With dual 320GB Hard drives with a 30" inch flat screen. So what does that all mean I have no idea? I told Dell to pack a XPS700 with every thing they had. I don't use the sight at all I walk the tracers in on high targets & shoot at all other planes were I think they are going to go.
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I find it odd how someone can fire thru the corner of a hanger, but cant take return fire....... experienced that little joy today.
I was on that base today in a manned ack when said party told me he could see the corner of your tank but knew you could not see him. I was about to pop you with manned ack when said party asked me not too so he could get the kill on you after you had popped him several times. Just one of those things I would say.
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Favorite shot ever was in K4 about 4 months ago. I was at 17K above a 14K cloud deck. Astronaut spixteen dives in on me, I dodge and prep for a split-S to follow him in, more hoping to make him brake hard and snap wings off more then anything. He starts to go level to climb then sees me about D400 behind him so he split-S'es to the cloud deck, I roll over again and line up a shot at about D600 and take it inverted and in a shallow dive. Fire 1 tater for the hell of it, by that time he's at D800 and gaining ground on me, theres no way it's going to hit. He passes through the cloud layer before the round does, a second later when I dive through the layer, he's spiraling to the ground missing a wingtip (just one, not both). I wasn't filming, and I honestly didn't see the ping, but I'm pretty sure it nailed him <G>.
I've pulled a few shots like that. I used to be able to hit from 800 out which was handy for runners who get into that '800 yards he can't hit me from here so I'll stop evading and try to extend'. When you've got tracers off it's actually pretty funny.
I seem to pull some very lucky shots in the 190A8. Completely blind shots... G'd out and below the cowl shots. I know what I'm shooting at and I entirely intend to hit the target but they're the sort of shot that you only snap off a quick burst because you know it's an outside chance. I've pulled up to set up a reverse only to see the enemy con falling to the ground sans the majority of their airframe plenty of times.
I can't do this in the the 109... only the A8 :lol
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I find it odd how someone can fire thru the corner of a hanger, but cant take return fire....... experienced that little joy today.
I was on that base today in a manned ack when said party told me he could see the corner of your tank
Exactly. Just because you can't see him it doesn't mean he can't see you...
(http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/9389/cantseexy2.jpg)
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Lusche...i'm gonna hire you as my AH lawyer :lol
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it could have been a total lucky shot, i mean, ive had times were im sittin on a base, and theres fighters at like 20k, and i shoot, and hit 1 lol
-BigBOBCH
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Exactly. Just because you can't see him it doesn't mean he can't see you...
(http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/9389/cantseexy2.jpg)
I saw him too. When I fired at his corner, it either hit the hanger or went long, but his shots appeared to go right thru. I know it is not cheating, but just had a cheap feel to it.
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Don't forget, what may seem impossible from your POV can be a completely legit shot from the other persons... this is a game and there are ways to game the game in certain situations without cheating.
For example, in a man field ack i have occasionally used the F5 view zoomed out to see where my rounds are landing to hit GV's who otherwise i couldnt see behind hills etc. From his point of view, i am hitting impossible shots even when he is out of view from the base. I figure HT left the F5 view on field guns for a similar reason that they did buffs.
The greater than 100% percentage in field gun is probably due to hitting a town with cruiser guns.
Ahh. I had not thought about the cruiser guns. I suppose that could explain it.
I am still really wondering about that shot though without any tracer stream to announce it. A one shot kill from that range seems pretty far fetched to me. I am running a pretty serious system and should have seen the stream given that I was searching the skies pretty hard just then. Anything is possible though, it just struck me as being odd.
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Ahh. I had not thought about the cruiser guns. I suppose that could explain it.
I am still really wondering about that shot though without any tracer stream to announce it. A one shot kill from that range seems pretty far fetched to me. I am running a pretty serious system and should have seen the stream given that I was searching the skies pretty hard just then. Anything is possible though, it just struck me as being odd.
I too have a high end system & I have been taken out by manned ack at low altitudes & was watching the gun the entire time & never did see the tracer.
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maybe tracers were turned off?.........
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it could have been a total lucky shot, i mean, ive had times were im sittin on a base, and theres fighters at like 20k, and i shoot, and hit 1 lol
-BigBOBCH
i highly doubt that unless your base is at 6k you wouldnt even have a chance.
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I've hit with a mk103 at d800 a few times so I wouldn't be surprised if the shot you thought was impossible really wasn't
Yeah, I have done it one time and one time only. Put a red guy at D200 in front of me and will use all my ammo only to see him fly away. Put Stang in a friendly plane at D800 ++, fire one tater, back to tower for me :furious :furious :furious
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:lol
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Ahh. I had not thought about the cruiser guns. I suppose that could explain it.
I am still really wondering about that shot though without any tracer stream to announce it. A one shot kill from that range seems pretty far fetched to me. I am running a pretty serious system and should have seen the stream given that I was searching the skies pretty hard just then. Anything is possible though, it just struck me as being odd.
I agree, would have to be one hell of a lucky shot to hit you first round.
He could be crafty and have turned off tracers, what i usually do if i am going to be killing people over the base.