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Title: so if he got elected.....
Post by: lazs2 on July 05, 2008, 10:48:58 AM
What would osamabama be like?

Best case.. he would be an even weaker klinton.. finger in the air all the time and selling out everyone who voted for him in order to get all the goodies he promised..   all talk and double talk for 4 or eight years with very little real change.. this seems likely since he is more of a rock star than anything with an already proven record of doubletalk and folding under any criticism.. he wants the adoration.. he can't do without it.. he will say anything and often.. say different things to different groups.. he does have a way of not really committing to anything.. like old bill.. "depends on what the meaning of "is" is" kind of deal.

Worst case.. we get carter or LBJ...  economy tanks.. lala land socialism programs rammed through or just signed after a socialist congress writes up every silly giveaway and guilt trip bill that their fevered little brains can come up with.   This seems unlikely because he does not seem to be made of the same hard stuff of a carter or an LBJ.. for all their appearance of being soft.. the had a mean, vindictive and hard core to them.   osama is not made of this stuff.

or.. something in between.. he will talk and talk and talk like klinton and sign stuff that put in front of him if the polls say it is a win.   maybe a few that are on the edge to pay off some of the commies who got him in but..  like klinton.. he won't be able to take the slightest bit of criticism.. he will feel obligated to respond.... in great teleprompter speeches that reveal nothing and say nothing.

like.. I support the individual right to keep and bear arms so long as the government has all the control over any and all restrictions..

lazs

Sooo... how bad do you think it will get?
Title: Re: so if he got elected.....
Post by: SkyRock on July 05, 2008, 10:56:24 AM
you've prolly hit on a few of his qualities in there for sure
Title: Re: so if he got elected.....
Post by: Toad on July 05, 2008, 11:02:31 AM
Poll driven Presidency with a focus on 8 years. High taxation of the "rich" (translation: All families making >$85K per year). No solution to our energy problem except dumb stuff like Carter wearing a sweater (yeah, that would have saved us). Tons of PC feelgood legislation that does nothing.

The disaster would be Obama nominating 2-4 SC judges that will vote their liberal opinions rather then the Constitution.

Lie back and enjoy it. Bush's rudderless ship for the last 6 years pretty much guarantees an Obama victory.
Title: Re: so if he got elected.....
Post by: lazs2 on July 05, 2008, 11:09:58 AM
I agree that the worst thing he will do is to the courts.

The Bush court did save one of our most important freedoms, the second, from him signing in more and more bans.

lazs
Title: Re: so if he got elected.....
Post by: Toad on July 05, 2008, 11:12:59 AM
Yep. It's about the only bright spot in Bush's Presidency. Talk about wasted opportunities!
Title: Re: so if he got elected.....
Post by: moot on July 05, 2008, 11:33:21 AM
I haven't studied the matter anywhere near enough to make an informed opinion on the whole of his platform... But one thing is for sure, his canning NASA for more social programs is a hint of either stupidity or corruption.  To bleed a 1% budget program working at 90%+ efficiency to feed a 5% 40%-efficient program... Intolerable.

Education:        56 B$
 (K-12)              31 B$
Medicare:        386 B$
Medicaid:        202 B$
SocialSec:       608 B$

NASA:               17.0 B$
 space ops:        6.7 B$
 science:             5.5 B$
 exploration.sys  3.8 B$
 aeronautics:      0.558 B$

From the 1,075 B$ 2008 budget (http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3245/2612699490_ddeba07337_o.jpg)
Title: Re: so if he got elected.....
Post by: Carrel on July 05, 2008, 11:35:51 AM
You Republicans have done this to yourself, ya know- and now you're trying to scare people that eight years of Obama could possibly be worse than the eight years we suffered under Bush, so we're better off with four more years of the Bush surrogate, McCain, in charge?

That's a tough sell.
Title: Re: so if he got elected.....
Post by: rabbidrabbit on July 05, 2008, 11:39:04 AM
Not as tough of a sell as saying McCain is a Bush surrogate.  How about backing that up with something other than he's from the same party.
Title: Re: so if he got elected.....
Post by: ZetaNine on July 05, 2008, 11:40:32 AM
You Republicans have done this to yourself...

odd little comment, that....
Title: Re: so if he got elected.....
Post by: Trikky on July 05, 2008, 11:41:28 AM
I think you'll get all three Obama's as described in the 1st post, depending on which way the polls are going. I speak as someone who's lived through Blair. Shame we dont have the same limit on executive power over here as you do there. 12 years of Thatcher now 12 years of Blair and we're still pretty much in the same crapper as we were then albeit with different bogey men. 
Title: Re: so if he got elected.....
Post by: 68Wooley on July 05, 2008, 11:44:10 AM
I try not to get too involved in these conversations - its not really my election (although as a US resident and tax payer, it does impact me greatly).

It does amaze me though that from a nation of 300million+ people, the best candidates they could come up with are Obama and McCain. I'm actually more disappointed with McCain - Obama is a kind of Democratic wet dream and its no real surprise he got the nod even though there's very little of any substance to him.

McCain, on the other hand is just utterly uninspiring. I'm sure he's a straight up guy, but I don't know if he's 'leader of the free world' material. Plus he's too old.
Title: Re: so if he got elected.....
Post by: ZetaNine on July 05, 2008, 11:47:08 AM
if we're going to have an honest discussion here.......considering racism.......considering how this country loves and carries guns......and how many kooks we have walking around due to liberal judges...the assassinations of kennedy, kennedy, and king (KKK....odd isn't it?).........do you *really* think obama will last 4 years in office?  it's the question everyone asks...and nobody talks about....

so I'm asking........what do you think the odds are of a black president being assasinated in office?
Title: Re: so if he got elected.....
Post by: ZetaNine on July 05, 2008, 11:49:50 AM
I need to add this as a caveat .......

I'm A LOT more fearful of who obama appoints and surrounds himself with as advisors and cabinet officials....
Title: Re: so if he got elected.....
Post by: soda72 on July 05, 2008, 12:28:03 PM
I've heard many people try to compare him to Jimmy Carter but I don't think anyone can be that bad even if they tried. 

Jimmy was the worst president ever IMO...



Title: Re: so if he got elected.....
Post by: lazs2 on July 05, 2008, 12:34:27 PM
LOL.. I seriously doubt he will be killed.. if you notice none of the really weenie, liberal, anti gun socialists are ever so much as shot at.

I do think that he will play the race card every chance he gets tho.. Hope that white guilt will excuse his incompetence and lack of any real substance.

lazs
Title: Re: so if he got elected.....
Post by: lazs2 on July 05, 2008, 12:36:57 PM
He is not carter..  carter has a mean vindictive streak that gives him iron..  osamabama has feet of clay like a klinton.    carter is the villan in an Ayn Rand novel incarnate.

lazs
Title: Re: so if he got elected.....
Post by: 68Wooley on July 05, 2008, 12:39:46 PM
I think you'll get all three Obama's as described in the 1st post, depending on which way the polls are going. I speak as someone who's lived through Blair. Shame we dont have the same limit on executive power over here as you do there. 12 years of Thatcher now 12 years of Blair and we're still pretty much in the same crapper as we were then albeit with different bogey men. 

You know Trikky, I had never really thought about it, but now that you mention it Obama does remind me of Blair circa 1996 / 1997.
Title: Re: so if he got elected.....
Post by: Carrel on July 05, 2008, 12:47:40 PM
If Obama is elected things will, indeed, change-

We will no longer have one half of one percent of the population control 65% of the wealth. We will no longer wage war in Iraq. We will move towards alternate sources of energy instead of the destruction of our fragile offshore eco systems. We will empower people of color to embrace the system rather than distrust it. Our air will be cleaner. Our civil rights will be restored. Our streets will be safer. We will balance our budget. Jobs- GOOD jobs, not the service jobs created by Bush-O-Nomics- will once again put America to work. We will use stem cell research and within two years we will have cured cancer and parylisis. We will restore money for the arts and create a whole new generation of artists. We will respect 26 of the 27 Constitutional Amendments rather than 1 of the 27.

Things will be better, believe me.  :)  
Title: Re: so if he got elected.....
Post by: rabbidrabbit on July 05, 2008, 01:01:33 PM
If Obama is elected things will, indeed, change-

We will no longer have one half of one percent of the population control 65% of the wealth. We will no longer wage war in Iraq. We will move towards alternate sources of energy instead of the destruction of our fragile offshore eco systems. We will empower people of color to embrace the system rather than distrust it. Our air will be cleaner. Our civil rights will be restored. Our streets will be safer. We will balance our budget. Jobs- GOOD jobs, not the service jobs created by Bush-O-Nomics- will once again put America to work. We will use stem cell research and within two years we will have cured cancer and parylisis. We will restore money for the arts and create a whole new generation of artists. We will respect 26 of the 27 Constitutional Amendments rather than 1 of the 27.

Things will be better, believe me.  :)  

(http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:Rs4G_rWSd3WD1M:http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Park/2070/ohyeaman.GIF)

Seriously dude, what have you been drinking?

Title: Re: so if he got elected.....
Post by: Motherland on July 05, 2008, 01:04:34 PM
If Obama is elected things will, indeed, change-

We will no longer have one half of one percent of the population control 65% of the wealth. We will no longer wage war in Iraq. We will move towards alternate sources of energy instead of the destruction of our fragile offshore eco systems. We will empower people of color to embrace the system rather than distrust it. Our air will be cleaner. Our civil rights will be restored. Our streets will be safer. We will balance our budget. Jobs- GOOD jobs, not the service jobs created by Bush-O-Nomics- will once again put America to work. We will use stem cell research and within two years we will have cured cancer and parylisis. We will restore money for the arts and create a whole new generation of artists. We will respect 26 of the 27 Constitutional Amendments rather than 1 of the 27.

Things will be better, believe me.  :)  
WTF?
I consider myself to lean to the left side of the political spectrum, but that was... erm...
Words do not describe that...
Title: Re: so if he got elected.....
Post by: hunter128 on July 05, 2008, 01:06:47 PM
If Obama is elected things will, indeed, change-

We will no longer have one half of one percent of the population control 65% of the wealth. We will no longer wage war in Iraq. We will move towards alternate sources of energy instead of the destruction of our fragile offshore eco systems. We will empower people of color to embrace the system rather than distrust it. Our air will be cleaner. Our civil rights will be restored. Our streets will be safer. We will balance our budget. Jobs- GOOD jobs, not the service jobs created by Bush-O-Nomics- will once again put America to work. We will use stem cell research and within two years we will have cured cancer and parylisis. We will restore money for the arts and create a whole new generation of artists. We will respect 26 of the 27 Constitutional Amendments rather than 1 of the 27.

Things will be better, believe me.  :)  

i dont know if i should laugh, or fear that there are more that think like this.
Title: Re: so if he got elected.....
Post by: Captain Virgil Hilts on July 05, 2008, 01:14:25 PM
i dont know if i should laugh, or fear that there are more that think like this.

Fear. There's no shortage of believers like that. (Note, your use of the word "think" was not appropriate, as there was no "thinking" involved in that)
Title: Re: so if he got elected.....
Post by: Roundeye on July 05, 2008, 01:19:11 PM
If Obama is elected things will, indeed, change-

We will no longer have one half of one percent of the population control 65% of the wealth. We will no longer wage war in Iraq. We will move towards alternate sources of energy instead of the destruction of our fragile offshore eco systems. We will empower people of color to embrace the system rather than distrust it. Our air will be cleaner. Our civil rights will be restored. Our streets will be safer. We will balance our budget. Jobs- GOOD jobs, not the service jobs created by Bush-O-Nomics- will once again put America to work. We will use stem cell research and within two years we will have cured cancer and parylisis. We will restore money for the arts and create a whole new generation of artists. We will respect 26 of the 27 Constitutional Amendments rather than 1 of the 27.

Things will be better, believe me.  :)  


la la lala lalala la lala la la come on, everybody now...la la lala...... :rolleyes:

You dont REALLY believe all of that, do you? :uhoh
Title: Re: so if he got elected.....
Post by: mietla on July 05, 2008, 01:21:27 PM
Fear. There's no shortage of believers like that. (Note, your use of the word "think" was not appropriate, as there was no "thinking" involved in that)

quite right. The proper word is feel.
Title: Re: so if he got elected.....
Post by: CAP1 on July 05, 2008, 01:33:19 PM
You Republicans have done this to yourself, ya know- and now you're trying to scare people that eight years of Obama could possibly be worse than the eight years we suffered under Bush, so we're better off with four more years of the Bush surrogate, McCain, in charge?

That's a tough sell.

it probably will be.
Title: Re: so if he got elected.....
Post by: CAP1 on July 05, 2008, 01:38:26 PM
if we're going to have an honest discussion here.......considering racism.......considering how this country loves and carries guns......and how many kooks we have walking around due to liberal judges...the assassinations of kennedy, kennedy, and king (KKK....odd isn't it?).........do you *really* think obama will last 4 years in office?  it's the question everyone asks...and nobody talks about....

so I'm asking........what do you think the odds are of a black president being assasinated in office?

i'd rather not discuss that particular thing on the boards here.

i don't give a watermelon about race. what i do care about is someone who'll try to make MY/OUR country better than it is. none of these schmucks is gonna do that. osama simply talks a lot, but doesn't really say anything. then he repeats it louder. and more people decide they like him.
 he's muslim(i think), and his wife is a racist. 2 good reasons for him to not win. but we all know that bush is soo hated,, that osama will most likely win.
 i don't follow politics too much, but i at least heard of Mccain before. never heard of osama before this election. what did he do to get to this point? besides spew a boatload of verbal diheirra?

ooo....and no

<<S>>
Title: Re: so if he got elected.....
Post by: DREDIOCK on July 05, 2008, 01:40:02 PM
The Sky will fall.
the waters will rise
Our crops will fail
And we will all be driven into darkness and dispair (http://images.dvdtalk.com/images/smilies/sarcasm.gif)

Oh and Laz will have a nervous breakdown LMAO

Obama, Mccain.
No matter who wins all we get is a turd sandwich.
The only difference is in the type of bread its served with.

If you look at the entire packages.
and not just one or two items
Neither candidate puts forth anything resembling what I feel represents my views.
Each has a couple. But each side has ideas that are completely contrary to what I want.

So digusted I am with the current offering
I havent decided whom I'm voting for.
Or if I am going to bother at all.

I may vote 3rd party.
If for no other reason then to cast a vote against the other two.

I gotta admit though.
It is entertaining watching Laz panic
Title: Re: so if he got elected.....
Post by: CAP1 on July 05, 2008, 01:40:22 PM
If Obama is elected things will, indeed, change-

We will no longer have one half of one percent of the population control 65% of the wealth. We will no longer wage war in Iraq. We will move towards alternate sources of energy instead of the destruction of our fragile offshore eco systems. We will empower people of color to embrace the system rather than distrust it. Our air will be cleaner. Our civil rights will be restored. Our streets will be safer. We will balance our budget. Jobs- GOOD jobs, not the service jobs created by Bush-O-Nomics- will once again put America to work. We will use stem cell research and within two years we will have cured cancer and parylisis. We will restore money for the arts and create a whole new generation of artists. We will respect 26 of the 27 Constitutional Amendments rather than 1 of the 27.

Things will be better, believe me.  :)  

you wanna share whatever it is you're smoking please? :D
Title: Re: so if he got elected.....
Post by: Trikky on July 05, 2008, 01:42:09 PM
Really cant argue with that.
Title: Re: so if he got elected.....
Post by: Motherland on July 05, 2008, 01:47:27 PM
he's muslim(i think),
WTF? Really?
People still believe that?
Title: Re: so if he got elected.....
Post by: angelsandair on July 05, 2008, 01:49:35 PM
Education:        56 B$
 (K-12)              31 B$
Medicare:        386 B$
Medicaid:        202 B$
SocialSec:       608 B$

They spend 680 Billion on Healthcare

271 billion on Welfare

in the Feds alone. When you bring in the state and local it's

910 billion on healthcare

440 billion on Welfare. (as people on Welfare dont have their own healthcare)

Over 1 Trillion dollars on the dead beats. Just imagine what Obama will do when he's president?  :O

http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/index.php

WTF? Really?
People still believe that?

and IIRC, (quote me if I'm wrong) his dad ditched him when he was a little kid and his mom was an Athiest, he spent most of his time growing up outside the U.S. IIRC and did go to muslim schools... It's been a while since I've heard anything like that though. I'm not so sure after the Athiest part.
Title: Re: so if he got elected.....
Post by: Rich46yo on July 05, 2008, 01:52:54 PM
Jimmy was a pretty bad President but at least you felt like you knew and trusted the guy.

This Obama guy feels like the complete opposite, and Im even from the same freaking state hes a Senator from. This guy has always said the smart thing and the thing that works for him.

People will say people like me feel that way just cause hes black. I will respond by saying hes also 1/2 white and thats all got nothing to do with it. Almost all the black folks I know at work are going to vote for him strictly cause hes black even tho they cant name one issue they know Obamas stance on. The Left just wants to make a statement that they are all swell enough to elect a black guy.

I bet most people dont know squat about the issues in this race. Frankly Im leery of McCain too. But I at least feel like he's an American I can trust.
Title: Re: so if he got elected.....
Post by: soda72 on July 05, 2008, 02:01:37 PM
Considering all the flip flopin going on with Obama these past couple of months I would say he is the candidate 'of' change... not a candidate 'for' change...


 :D
Title: Re: so if he got elected.....
Post by: CAP1 on July 05, 2008, 02:12:35 PM
WTF? Really?
People still believe that?

note i said i THINK.....not sure.....
Title: Re: so if he got elected.....
Post by: Motherland on July 05, 2008, 02:17:21 PM
note i said i THINK.....not sure.....
After the controversies over not one but two of his reverends, and people accusing his church of being racist?
Title: Re: so if he got elected.....
Post by: mg1942 on July 05, 2008, 02:25:13 PM
The new voters, those who just turned US citizens as of this year are having a field day.
Title: Re: so if he got elected.....
Post by: myelo on July 05, 2008, 02:31:00 PM
he's muslim(i think)

Heh. Sorry, but you've just lost any credentials to ever have any of your posts taken seriously again. Ever.


Title: Re: so if he got elected.....
Post by: CAP1 on July 05, 2008, 02:40:15 PM
Heh. Sorry, but you've just lost any credentials to ever have any of your posts taken seriously again. Ever.




heh!

i had credentials??????? :rofl
Title: Re: so if he got elected.....
Post by: DREDIOCK on July 05, 2008, 02:55:07 PM
Course you all realise that if most of the people paid as much attention and took their local and state elections as seriously as the presidential race.
The country as a whole would probably be far far better off.
Title: Re: so if he got elected.....
Post by: lazs2 on July 05, 2008, 02:57:07 PM
dred.. I will not have a "breakdown"  I am pretty immune.. I will move out a ways and let him pick over your bones.. by the time he gets around to me the pendulum will swing the other way.. that is.. if he even gets a chance to screw anything up at all..   He is far too wishy washy cult of personality type to ever rock the boat too much.. the worst he will do is raise inflation and interest rates like carter did and.. appoint worthless activist lefty judges.   

correl... please tell me how you think osamabama is going to accomplish any of the things you mentioned.  Just one of em..

lazs
Title: Re: so if he got elected.....
Post by: lazs2 on July 05, 2008, 02:58:40 PM
and dred.. I vote in every election that I am allowed.

lazs
Title: Re: so if he got elected.....
Post by: Anaxogoras on July 05, 2008, 03:01:36 PM
This thread has convinced me that some of you do not deserve the right to vote. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: so if he got elected.....
Post by: lazs2 on July 05, 2008, 03:07:33 PM
yeah.. but you seem pretty easy to convince so.. no big deal.

lazs
Title: Re: so if he got elected.....
Post by: Kaw1000 on July 05, 2008, 03:10:56 PM
I try not to get too involved in these conversations - its not really my election (although as a US resident and tax payer, it does impact me greatly).

It does amaze me though that from a nation of 300million+ people, the best candidates they could come up with are Obama and McCain. I'm actually more disappointed with McCain - Obama is a kind of Democratic wet dream and its no real surprise he got the nod even though there's very little of any substance to him.

McCain, on the other hand is just utterly uninspiring. I'm sure he's a straight up guy, but I don't know if he's 'leader of the free world' material. Plus he's too old.


Ahhhh...you are the CEO of a huge corporation...you brought the company outta ruins....you are a true leader....you make millions and millions of dollars...why oh why would you want to be president??? ego? Could be the only thing....what great corporate leader would want to be president...you would have to have a hole in your head.This is why we have no good candidates for president!!!
Title: Re: so if he got elected.....
Post by: DREDIOCK on July 05, 2008, 03:12:44 PM
dred.. I will not have a "breakdown"  I am pretty immune.. I will move out a ways and let him pick over your bones.. by the time he gets around to me the pendulum will swing the other way.. that is.. if he even gets a chance to screw anything up at all..   He is far too wishy washy cult of personality type to ever rock the boat too much.. the worst he will do is raise inflation and interest rates like carter did and.. appoint worthless activist lefty judges.   

correl... please tell me how you think osamabama is going to accomplish any of the things you mentioned.  Just one of em..

lazs


I agree. not much if anything of significance will change.

So why do you exert so much energy into worrying about him?
Title: Re: so if he got elected.....
Post by: DREDIOCK on July 05, 2008, 03:16:38 PM
and dred.. I vote in every election that I am allowed.

lazs

Note I said "most" Not all.

You do. But how many of the people you know also do?

And of the ones that do. How many just close their eyes and just vote for the party?

Here in NJ we have a State Gov that rivals only Louisiana in curruption.
Yet people just close their eyes and vote for the party and the same people in over and over again.
Title: Re: so if he got elected.....
Post by: Anaxogoras on July 05, 2008, 03:31:46 PM
Ahhhh...you are the CEO of a huge corporation...you brought the company outta ruins....you are a true leader....you make millions and millions of dollars...why oh why would you want to be president??? ego? Could be the only thing....what great corporate leader would want to be president...you would have to have a hole in your head.This is why we have no good candidates for president!!!

It's funny to see the limited-liability corporation held up as the standard for the job that carries ultimate responsibility. :confused:
Title: Re: so if he got elected.....
Post by: Kaw1000 on July 05, 2008, 03:36:05 PM
The ultimate responsibility is to run the country like you would a good sound business.
 Instead, we see waste in the government every day. Waste that is ruining the country.
 
Title: Re: so if he got elected.....
Post by: Anaxogoras on July 05, 2008, 03:37:55 PM
The ultimate responsibility is to run the country like you would a good sound business.
 Instead, we see waste in the government every day. Waste that is ruining the country.
 

Absolutely not.  The duty of the president is to defend the constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic.  Everything else is secondary.

I'm not saying that some business principles can't be applied to government, but we must keep our priorities in view.

Our government has been trashing the constitution for decades, if not longer, and hence the jab about "limited-liability."
Title: Re: so if he got elected.....
Post by: Kaw1000 on July 05, 2008, 03:41:26 PM
Good point...We could have a long chat about this...but it would make our heads spin.  lolol
But our enemies are killing use in other way besides blood shead,,,,they are killing use financially.
Title: Re: so if he got elected.....
Post by: lasersailor184 on July 05, 2008, 04:58:12 PM
The ultimate responsibility is to run the country like you would a good sound business.
 Instead, we see waste in the government every day. Waste that is ruining the country.
 

Why we don't see it?  Because Government attracts the corrupted.


The solution?  Conscript random people to run the country for a little while.  People who don't want to run the government, and don't want the government ruling them would be the best at the reigns.
Title: Re: so if he got elected.....
Post by: crockett on July 05, 2008, 05:15:25 PM
You Republicans have done this to yourself, ya know- and now you're trying to scare people that eight years of Obama could possibly be worse than the eight years we suffered under Bush, so we're better off with four more years of the Bush surrogate, McCain, in charge?

That's a tough sell.

Yea that's the funnest part of it all. Obama would have to be pretty damn bad to do worse than Bush has the last 8 years. The second post was saying something about the economy tanking under Obama. Ummm hello the economy has already tanked under Bush. You can't send all the jobs over seas and run your entire budget on borrowed Chinese money while waging a war that has cost us insane amounts of money and not have the economy go to crap.

BTW Larz you say Obama will break promises? Well of course he will all politicians lie to get elected. Bush is no different, he promised all kinds of crap to the Religious Reich that he never followed through with. He also didn't fund our schools after he promised he would.

Sorry Obama would have to be pretty bad to be worse then what we already have and McCain has already shown his true colors by flopping on everything he stood for to say anything in order to get the Republican nomination. It's funny how you guys forget how much McCain has flip - flopped since the beginning of this election campaigns.
Title: Re: so if he got elected.....
Post by: Anaxogoras on July 05, 2008, 05:20:56 PM
The solution?  Conscript random people to run the country for a little while.  People who don't want to run the government, and don't want the government ruling them would be the best at the reigns.

That's pretty much how the ancient Athenians did it.
Title: Re: so if he got elected.....
Post by: mg1942 on July 05, 2008, 05:36:35 PM
So if he got elected..... Mossad will put him down right away.

USA will be sucked in another war at the end of this year.  Zionists in DC will make sure USA gets involved  Get ready guys, you gotta adjust quick at post Bush 2.0 era :aok

Title: Re: so if he got elected.....
Post by: moot on July 05, 2008, 05:51:27 PM
Yea that's the funnest part of it all. Obama would have to be pretty damn bad to do worse than Bush has the last 8 years. The second post was saying something about the economy tanking under Obama. Ummm hello the economy has already tanked under Bush. You can't send all the jobs over seas and run your entire budget on borrowed Chinese money while waging a war that has cost us insane amounts of money and not have the economy go to crap.

BTW Larz you say Obama will break promises? Well of course he will all politicians lie to get elected. Bush is no different, he promised all kinds of crap to the Religious Reich that he never followed through with. He also didn't fund our schools after he promised he would.

Sorry Obama would have to be pretty bad to be worse then what we already have and McCain has already shown his true colors by flopping on everything he stood for to say anything in order to get the Republican nomination. It's funny how you guys forget how much McCain has flip - flopped since the beginning of this election campaigns.
Even McCain is better than Obama.
Title: Re: so if he got elected.....
Post by: SD67 on July 05, 2008, 05:52:58 PM
You guys better hope he gets a decent VP.
He'll be lucky to last 12 months.
Title: Re: so if he got elected.....
Post by: ZetaNine on July 05, 2008, 06:03:02 PM
Even McCain is better than Obama.

scary thought, that....and here is the main reality why...
many republicans feel VERY disenchanted with the offering (McCain) of their party...and feel that McCain does not deserve their vote....ie: they will be sitting this one out.  thus... Obama by a landslide.

if you think obama has inertia going now...and you really should if you pay attention to the signs...wait until he makes his acceptance speech in an outdoor stadium.........that move was pure PR genius.
Title: Re: so if he got elected.....
Post by: crockett on July 05, 2008, 06:08:46 PM
Even McCain is better than Obama.

Ahh maybe two years ago I could have agreed with you, but McCain has caved in on what he believed in and shown that he will do and say anything to get elected. That means he will just be another puppet just like Bush is now.
Title: Re: so if he got elected.....
Post by: Motherland on July 05, 2008, 06:10:24 PM
Ahh maybe two years ago I could have agreed with you, but McCain has caved in on what he believed in and shown that he will do and say anything to get elected. That means he will just be another puppet just like Bush is now.
Even just a year ago, when he was the underdog in the Republican primaries. He's certainly changed since he won the nomination.
Still like him better than Obama, though.
Title: Re: so if he got elected.....
Post by: moot on July 05, 2008, 06:25:44 PM
Crockett you really think Obama's no puppet?
Title: Re: so if he got elected.....
Post by: lazs2 on July 05, 2008, 07:59:15 PM
crockit.. two years ago I would have said that the democrats could.. would not dare come up with a worse candidate than McCain but..  they did it.. they pick a worse candidate than the last every single time.  they might just have to rob lenins tomb to get a worse one next time.

As for nothing could be worse than Bush?  why?   sure he caved to the democrats a few times but really.. what has he done that is so bad?   He got us a few good judges.  Most who don't like Bush don't even really know why.. the media and the talking heads tell em they should is all..

lazs
Title: Re: so if he got elected.....
Post by: Yeager on July 05, 2008, 08:43:09 PM
The disaster would be Obama nominating 2-4 SC judges that will vote their liberal opinions rather then the Constitution.

There it is.
Title: Re: so if he got elected.....
Post by: Carrel on July 05, 2008, 08:47:28 PM
 

correl... please tell me how you think osamabama is going to accomplish any of the things you mentioned.  Just one of em..

lazs


OK. I said he'd stand steadfastly in favor of 26 of the 27 Constitutional Amendments.
Title: Re: so if he got elected.....
Post by: Motherland on July 05, 2008, 08:53:52 PM
Wouldn't it be nice if someone would stand in favor of 27 of the 27 Constitutional Amendments?
Title: Re: so if he got elected.....
Post by: iWalrus on July 05, 2008, 11:00:56 PM
I think we can forget about the 18th amendment. :aok
Title: Re: so if he got elected.....
Post by: Motherland on July 05, 2008, 11:07:56 PM
I think we can forget about the 18th amendment. :aok
The 21st amendment wouldn't make much sense if we did that, would it? :)
Title: Re: so if he got elected.....
Post by: angelsandair on July 05, 2008, 11:14:38 PM
Crockett you really think Obama's no puppet?

Obama just changed his view from a wacked out liberal to a "reasonable"  man....  :lol

Now that he has the nomination, he can ease up on that stuff. He's just like the Clintons.
Title: Re: so if he got elected.....
Post by: bj229r on July 06, 2008, 09:19:45 AM
The 2 SC judges most likely to retire are libs....if Obama wins, would still be status quo with those who want to change our country from the court, rather than via elected officials
Title: Re: so if he got elected.....
Post by: lazs2 on July 06, 2008, 09:58:50 AM
carrel... are you even old enough to vote?  just like your boy.. you liberals say a lot of useless gibberish without any meaning.  I can say I support a womans right to choose but then vote to only allow it in the 12th month.   

you say he would protect and support the amendments but...  I don't want his kind of support.

Your boy voted for a handgun ban.. how is that protecting the amendments.. I am pretty sure that he voted to make some words hate speech.. how is that free speech?   How is affirmative action and unequal taxation equal?   

lazs

Title: Re: so if he got elected.....
Post by: Toad on July 06, 2008, 10:13:49 AM
If Obama is elected things will, indeed, change-

We will no longer have one half of one percent of the population control 65% of the wealth. We will no longer wage war in Iraq. We will move towards alternate sources of energy instead of the destruction of our fragile offshore eco systems. We will empower people of color to embrace the system rather than distrust it. Our air will be cleaner. Our civil rights will be restored. Our streets will be safer. We will balance our budget. Jobs- GOOD jobs, not the service jobs created by Bush-O-Nomics- will once again put America to work. We will use stem cell research and within two years we will have cured cancer and parylisis. We will restore money for the arts and create a whole new generation of artists. We will respect 26 of the 27 Constitutional Amendments rather than 1 of the 27.

Things will be better, believe me.  :)  

He's gonna do all that eh? Probably cure the heartbreak of Psoriasis too,right?

Will this be before or after he changes the water into wine?
Title: Re: so if he got elected.....
Post by: moot on July 06, 2008, 10:25:55 AM
blah
Take 1% from Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security, and it adds up to 11B$ or so, or 60%+ of the entire NASA budget. Instead of crippling NASA, he could imperceptibly reduce everything in those three social programs (a much better suited source, too, considering how inefficient they are) and pay for whatever his education reforms are, half a dozen times over.
But he doesn't. Absolutely diddlyin retarded.
Title: Re: so if he got elected.....
Post by: lazs2 on July 06, 2008, 10:26:07 AM
nope... he will try to keep us from having vouchers because he owes the teachers union..

He will raise the price of energy and stop all exploration and nuclear power and any move toward energy independence because he owes the whack job environmentalists.

He will continue to try to destroy the second because he owes sorros.

He will tax every one of us more than bush did and he will decrease the military while making every other part of the government bigger because.. because he believes in big government.

He  will appoint anti American judges because he hates the constitution and the old white men who drew it up.

He will play the race card every time someone doesn't agree with him.

He will fold like a cheap card table under a fat lady at every poll that comes out and spend more time making useless and meaningless speeches than any pres we have ever had.. he is after all.. an orator.. and empty suit.. a talking head.. he is a great reader of teleprompters and he knows where his talents lie.. 

he is arrogant tho and will step on his own genitals a lot.. he is so arrogant that he thinks he can come up with a good sounding and meaningless explanation for every outlandish thing he stumbles into.. He will be caught trying to speak for himself from time to time and have to spend ten times the effort to try to explain what he "really" meant.

lazs
Title: Re: so if he got elected.....
Post by: john9001 on July 06, 2008, 11:46:54 AM
obama:: "i have called this press conference to explain what i really meant to say in my press conference i called this morning"
Title: Re: so if he got elected.....
Post by: Anaxogoras on July 06, 2008, 01:08:07 PM
Wow lazs, that's some mudslinging there.  I'll pick on your best blunder:

He will play the race card every time someone doesn't agree with him.  You clearly do not pay attention to Obama's election strategy.
Title: Re: so if he got elected.....
Post by: Carrel on July 06, 2008, 01:25:49 PM
nope... he will try to keep us from having vouchers because he owes the teachers union..

He will raise the price of energy and stop all exploration and nuclear power and any move toward energy independence because he owes the whack job environmentalists.

He will continue to try to destroy the second because he owes sorros.

He will tax every one of us more than bush did and he will decrease the military while making every other part of the government bigger because.. because he believes in big government.

He  will appoint anti American judges because he hates the constitution and the old white men who drew it up.

He will play the race card every time someone doesn't agree with him.

He will fold like a cheap card table under a fat lady at every poll that comes out and spend more time making useless and meaningless speeches than any pres we have ever had.. he is after all.. an orator.. and empty suit.. a talking head.. he is a great reader of teleprompters and he knows where his talents lie.. 

he is arrogant tho and will step on his own genitals a lot.. he is so arrogant that he thinks he can come up with a good sounding and meaningless explanation for every outlandish thing he stumbles into.. He will be caught trying to speak for himself from time to time and have to spend ten times the effort to try to explain what he "really" meant.

lazs

 :aok
Title: Re: so if he got elected.....
Post by: Motherland on July 06, 2008, 03:27:34 PM
He will play the race card every time someone doesn't agree with him.
He's never done that. The media has, but his campaign hasn't.
Title: Re: so if he got elected.....
Post by: lazs2 on July 07, 2008, 02:40:43 PM
of course he plays the race card.. he talks about it constantly.. he talks of his racist minister as being a good man but throws his white grandmother under the bus as a racist.

He himself is careful to only look and act hurt when the media plays the race card.. he doesn't get up and say "BS.. the guy attacking me did it because he thought I was wrong... it had nothing to do with race."

I believe that he is far more racist than the average person...   I believe that he will allow the race card to hang over any of his detractors which is to me....

playing the race card.

lazs
Title: Re: so if he got elected.....
Post by: Carrel on July 07, 2008, 03:04:48 PM
Welp....perhaps if the Republicans had done a better job the past eight years America wouldn't be throwing them out of office.
Title: Re: so if he got elected.....
Post by: Toad on July 07, 2008, 03:14:01 PM
http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?article=bill_clintons_party_of_one

Quote
Long periods of one-party rule, after all, are quite rare in American politics. Since the ratification of the 22nd Amendment, the same party has held the White House for three consecutive terms exactly once. This is no accident. Political movements tend to weaken when in power. They grow corrupt and unresponsive; internal fissures form and widen; the problems they were asked to solve fade from view, and the electorate turns toward new dilemmas that require new thinking.



I think the Dems could win this one with a screaming Howard Dean as the nominee.
Title: Re: so if he got elected.....
Post by: Carrel on July 07, 2008, 03:17:42 PM
I think the Dems could win this with Voss as the nominee.
Title: Re: so if he got elected.....
Post by: moot on July 07, 2008, 03:18:54 PM
Welp....perhaps if the Republicans had done a better job the past eight years America wouldn't be throwing them out of office.
Because it's all about which party is best, not what's actualy done. Koolaid wars indeed.
Title: Re: so if he got elected.....
Post by: alskahawk on July 07, 2008, 06:11:52 PM
 Obama is what we get for Republicans not doing their job. The citizens gave them total control for 6 years. We have a 6 year old war, no border control, high fuel prices, record deficits, social security and a stumbling economy.  Its almost a certainty that Obama will win in November. The Democrats will gain seats in both houses of Congress. 

 The US economy is a massive beast and it will adjust to high energy prices and will recover, probably next year. The Iraq war will wind down. Its not too big a streach to see that Afghanistan/Pakistan will become the focus point.
 
Title: Re: so if he got elected.....
Post by: Captain Virgil Hilts on July 07, 2008, 06:21:28 PM
Obama is what we get for Republicans not doing their job. The citizens gave them total control for 6 years. We have a 6 year old war, no border control, high fuel prices, record deficits, social security and a stumbling economy.  Its almost a certainty that Obama will win in November. The Democrats will gain seats in both houses of Congress. 

 The US economy is a massive beast and it will adjust to high energy prices and will recover, probably next year. The Iraq war will wind down. Its not too big a streach to see that Afghanistan/Pakistan will become the focus point.
 

I would not call an Obama win a certainty. If you remember, the same was said about Gore, and then Kerry. I don't think Obama is any better than the two previous candidates. Further, only Congress has a lower approval rating than Bush, and honestly, people are just as pissed at the new do nothing majority in Congress as they are Bush.

Iraq has improved dramatically, to the point where Afghanistan has a higher casualty rate for the past two months than Iraq. And it was staying in Iraq, and dedicating MORE troops that made it happen, not the program Democrats endorsed.

Only since the Democrats have taken a majority in Congress has the economy even begun to falter, and then mostly due to oil prices, which again only began after the Democrats gained their majority. The economy has slowed, we have not yet even reached the point of a recession. The economy has always been cyclical and always will be. That oil has more than doubled in price in the last year or so and not plunged us into a depression is testament to the actual strength of the economy.

Just like Gore and Kerry before him, Obama SHOULD win, given what we are "TOLD" about "public opinion". But it didn't work out that way the last two times.
Title: Re: so if he got elected.....
Post by: alskahawk on July 07, 2008, 06:47:36 PM
 "I would not call an Obama win a certainty. If you remember, the same was said about Gore, and then Kerry. I don't think Obama is any better than the two previous candidates. Further, only Congress has a lower approval rating than Bush, and honestly, people are just as pissed at the new do nothing majority in Congress as they are Bush."
 
 Only if you think the conservatives will jump behind McCain. I don't think so. There are a lot of middle of the road Republicans upset right now and if they fail to vote that is nearly a vote for Obama.

Iraq has improved dramatically, to the point where Afghanistan has a higher casualty rate for the past two months than Iraq. And it was staying in Iraq, and dedicating MORE troops that made it happen, not the program Democrats endorsed

 Regardless of reason, and no matter who is elected, the US military will probably draw down in Iraq next year. "Its not too big a stretch to see that Afghanistan/Pakistan will become the focus point."

"Only since the Democrats have taken a majority in Congress has the economy even begun to falter, and then mostly due to oil prices, which again only began after the Democrats gained their majority. The economy has slowed, we have not yet even reached the point of a recession. The economy has always been cyclical and always will be. That oil has more than doubled in price in the last year or so and not plunged us into a depression is testament to the actual strength of the economy."

The Democrats will gain some more houses. That's my assessment. They probably won't gain the necessary 60 votes in the Senate though. Probably pick up like 4 or 5 more seats. Some of the strongest Republican seats are in jeopardy IE; Virginia(John Warner Retired). Trent Lott's seat will probably stay Republican though thats not a certainty. Best expert estimates are that the Dem's will gain 4 definitely and possibly as many as 6. As for the economy; it was more a result of higher oil prices and the dropping dollar than the change over in the Congress. Destabilization of the middle east and oil production, speculation to name a few problems. GDP slowing.

"Just like Gore and Kerry before him, Obama SHOULD win, given what we are "TOLD" about "public opinion". But it didn't work out that way the last two times."
 
I liked McCain in 2000 but since then I've soured on him. I never thought that Kerry was strong candidate. Nor did most people. He was too far left. Most experts predicted close race and it was; 49/51. Gore.. well that election was settled by the judiciary. 
 The last two races were close and if that trend continues 5% of the Republicans not voting will make a difference. Given that Obama is drawing record crowds and McCain lower than expected crowds. Could very easily be a landslide for Obama.

Title: Re: so if he got elected.....
Post by: DREDIOCK on July 07, 2008, 06:59:33 PM
What we must start realising is its not one side or the other. But Both sides.
Yes Republicans had control. But it wasnt absolute control with everyone on the same page.

Nobody gets anything accomplished in Washington without help from the other side of the isle.

and the other side of the isle can and often do stymie things just enough to prevent significant accomplishments from the other side. And just enought o make the other side look like idiots.

Think of it like a chess game.
When playing chess you dont think 1 or two moves ahead. you think 3,4,5 moves ahead
Same thing in politics but much more complex.

How many good policies never see the light of day because the one side doesnt want to see the other side acheive a political victory?

Dont expect any changes in policies to help the economy,or in oil untill after the election.
For that you will need the democrats. And they dont want anything to go right untill they win the election.
Its just one more thing they can harp on and blame the current administration on.

What they fail to tell you is the part they played in creating the situation. Sometimes intentionally so as to gain a political advantage.

After all. Who blames congress for much of anything?.
Something goes wrong. Its always the presidants fault.

People blame Bush for the war. But it seems ot me a heck of alot of people in congress thought it was a good idea too.
People blame Bush for high oil prices.
But I dont see congress doing much more then paying lip service to the subject.
C'mon any idiot can see the current oil situation is a threat to the welfare of the nation as a whole.

Arent they they along with the presedent supposed to be protecting us against threats foreign and domestic?.

And you cant just blame one side. Both sides do it.

But. they dont at all mind us playing the blame game.
Keeps our mind and eyes away from the truth.

Title: Re: so if he got elected.....
Post by: Gunthr on July 07, 2008, 08:42:55 PM
Motherland, you are aware that your avatar is Heinz Knocke, not Bubi Hartmann???

Anyway, I sure wish Gingrich would have gotten the Republican nomination instead of McCain.


Even so, I don't see Obama as a shoe-in.  I think this is going to be a wild campaign that ultimately accentuates racial divisions that already exist in this country.  A major weakness I see in Obama's bid for President is that so many of his supporters support him simply because he is somewhat black, without regard to issues and perhaps ignorant of them. (In other words, racists, like the many black people who were able to ignore the evidence and support OJ Simpson simply because they wanted to see a brother get over) 

Obama will find it harder and harder to conceal who HE really is and who his most ardent followers are.  I doubt he can hide or deflect his, or his wife's long association with racists, anti-Americans, and crooks. 

One thing about all this that totally astounds me, is the deep divisions in this country.  How could half of us think the other half are insane for wanting that kind of socialist, leftist, baby killing, large government-running- everything style of country, while the other half thinks conservatives are insane for wanting more conservative government.    ???  Its gonna be a wild campaign.
Title: Re: so if he got elected.....
Post by: Motherland on July 07, 2008, 08:43:53 PM
Motherland, you are aware that your avatar is Heinz Knocke, not Bubi Hartmann???
Quite-I cropped it out of the cover of his book :aok
Title: Re: so if he got elected.....
Post by: Gunthr on July 07, 2008, 08:52:47 PM
  "I Flew for the Fuerer" if memory serves...  :aok
Title: Re: so if he got elected.....
Post by: Motherland on July 07, 2008, 08:57:37 PM
Yep. Great book.
Title: Re: so if he got elected.....
Post by: CHECKERS on July 07, 2008, 09:00:16 PM
A Total piece of watermelon !
Title: Re: so if he got elected.....
Post by: CHECKERS on July 07, 2008, 09:01:43 PM



Re: so if he got elected.....
A Total piece of watermelon !
Title: Re: so if he got elected.....
Post by: bj229r on July 07, 2008, 09:11:07 PM
Quote
Only if you think the conservatives will jump behind McCain. I don't think so. There are a lot of middle of the road Republicans upset right now and if they fail to vote that is nearly a vote for Obama.
McCain neither wants nor cares about the votes of those Neanderthal conservatives--he has calculated that he can win with 'moderates' and centrists
Title: Re: so if he got elected.....
Post by: mietla on July 07, 2008, 09:15:08 PM
good luck with that
Title: Re: so if he got elected.....
Post by: 68Wooley on July 07, 2008, 09:34:23 PM
You guys better hope he gets a decent VP.
He'll be lucky to last 12 months.

Who? McCain or Obama? From looking at him, I'd say there's a fair chance McCain won't make it past 12 months either.
Title: Re: so if he got elected.....
Post by: SD67 on July 07, 2008, 10:47:35 PM
Who? McCain or Obama? From looking at him, I'd say there's a fair chance McCain won't make it past 12 months either.
But McCain will go through natural causes ;)
Title: Re: so if he got elected.....
Post by: redman555 on July 08, 2008, 01:20:30 AM
GO MCCAIN!!!!!  :aok :aok :aok :aok :aok :O :O :O :D :D :D


-BigBOBCH
Title: Re: so if he got elected.....
Post by: lyric1 on July 08, 2008, 01:59:07 AM
crockit.. two years ago I would have said that the democrats could.. would not dare come up with a worse candidate than McCain but..  they did it.. they pick a worse candidate than the last every single time.  they might just have to rob lenins tomb to get a worse one next time.

As for nothing could be worse than Bush?  why?   sure he caved to the democrats a few times but really.. what has he done that is so bad?   He got us a few good judges.  Most who don't like Bush don't even really know why.. the media and the talking heads tell em they should is all..

lazs
  Eight years of office and it = two judges. Not a good deal for what it was worth.
Title: Re: so if he got elected.....
Post by: angelsandair on July 08, 2008, 02:12:51 AM
You guys know that McCain was gonna be a democrat in the '04 elections? He was trying to side w/ John Kerry over something but didn't get the position he wanted...  :noid

From what I remember, it was John Kerry's running mate.
Title: Re: so if he got elected.....
Post by: lazs2 on July 08, 2008, 09:24:53 AM
crockit.. with carter and klinton we got 12 years of bad laws and bigger government and lousy judges so Bush giving us two great supreme court judges in only 8 years is like a monumental achievement so far as presidents go.   

For the most part.. these days I base who I vote for in the pres race on who will do the least damage.  I have not seen one idea that any of them have had that speaks to me as a middle class white man.  everything all of them come up with seems to paint a bullseye on my back.. I just vote for the guy who will leave me alone the most.. will make the least missery in my life.

Government has done nothing good for me in decades.. it has all been bad..  some government is less bad than others.. the democrats owe too many people who think I am the cause of all their problems.

I see a great division in the red and blue America..   I see that liberal democrats are the ones who cause most of this divide with their inability to keep their nose out of everyone else's business of which they know nothing.  their insistance on a socialist utopia that red America wants no part of.

How is jamming this down our throats bringing us together?  No wonder they want to take our guns.. 

Leave me alone and I won't shoot you.. how is that for getting along and reaching an understanding?

How is that different than.. "do as we say or we will send someone over to shoot you."

lazs
Title: Re: so if he got elected.....
Post by: Mojava on July 08, 2008, 11:50:23 AM
 Obama is going to be a great president.  About time we had someone who realizes that we are all in this together.  Laz all I see when I read anything you write is hate and fear. 
Title: Re: so if he got elected.....
Post by: Captain Virgil Hilts on July 08, 2008, 12:58:41 PM
Obama is going to be a great president.  About time we had someone who realizes that we are all in this together.  Laz all I see when I read anything you write is hate and fear. 

You assume Obama has this election locked up. That's okay, they assumed Kerry and Gore did as well. Obama is the most liberal, racist, corrupt, and inexperienced candidate we have been presented with in a long time. Only George Wallace was more racist. In Obama we have a candidate who closely associates with more known racists than anyone short of a Ku Klux Klan member. We have THE MOST LIBERAL member of Congress. We have a lackey who is a servant of the Daley political clan in Chicago. We have a FRESHMAN Senator who signed up to run for President after 143 days as a Senator.

The reason you see what you see when you read what others write is that is what you WANT to see, it helps you to justify your position to yourself.
Title: Re: so if he got elected.....
Post by: Toad on July 08, 2008, 01:04:00 PM
He will be famous for significantly raising taxes in a recession whilst increasing spending, failing to address the energy problem and throwing more money to no avail at public schools that graduate illiterates.

Another one term and out.
Title: Re: so if he got elected.....
Post by: moot on July 08, 2008, 01:09:54 PM
and throwing more money to no avail at public schools that graduate illiterates.
At the expense of NASA, and without as much as proposing a solution to NASA's red tape and bureaucracy problems.  Pure garbage.   
Title: Re: so if he got elected.....
Post by: Toad on July 08, 2008, 01:12:53 PM
Be Fair. He promises change.

Higher taxes as we enter the recession is a change. Who says all pols lie?
Title: Re: so if he got elected.....
Post by: moot on July 08, 2008, 01:19:38 PM
:lol The whole thing is so absurd I can't help but laugh at it.  Disconcerting.
Title: Re: so if he got elected.....
Post by: Mojava on July 08, 2008, 02:29:21 PM
  I figure all you folks who claim Obama is a racist are just trying to find a way to justify your own racist thoughts.  You guys are a bunch of glass half full pessimists. Even after GW was elected I was hoping he would do what was best for the country, to bad he didn't.  Obamas has never said anything about raising taxes, or not addressing the energy problem, or any of the myriad of other things that you have made up to try and justify your position.  Don't be scared, the 1950s are over.
Title: Re: so if he got elected.....
Post by: lazs2 on July 08, 2008, 02:37:31 PM
no.. I am very optimistic on this.   I have stated that I really do hope that he will be so ineffectual that he won't screw things up too badly.

I just hope I don't get stuck somewhere that I can't turn him off.   I have already heard enough from him to know just what an empty suit he is.

I was in court today.   talking to the bailiff and some folks in around us.. this is in a very dark and liberal part of the bay area of kalifornia..  I was shocked to hear that everyone there was either changing their mind about their support for osamabama or thinking about it...  every single one of em noticed one thing or another where he flip flopped and lied already and say he is full of it.

This may not be the fifties but.. it isn't the good old 30's and liberal socialism either.   There is nothing about osambamas positions that are not pure socialism and from the last 50 years.   nothing new here to see.. just a different personality.. 

he is ted kennedy without the lost oldsmobile and lost weekends.

lazs
Title: Re: so if he got elected.....
Post by: Toad on July 08, 2008, 02:43:02 PM
If you have listened to your new Messiah, he has clearly indicated he will raise taxes on higher income earners, he will raise capital gains taxes which affects everyone in the stock market, he has said the "wealthy" will pay more tax but hasn't defined "wealthy" and he has said he will restore progressive tax.

Those are all tax increases.

Here is a sample of his voting record on taxes. He never met a tax he didn't like.

Voted YES on increasing tax rate for people earning over $1 million. (Mar 2008)
Voted NO on allowing AMT reduction without budget offset. (Mar 2008)
Voted NO on raising the Death Tax exemption to $5M from $1M. (Feb 2008)
Voted NO on repealing the Alternative Minimum Tax. (Mar 2007)
Voted NO on raising estate tax exemption to $5 million. (Mar 2007)
Voted NO on supporting permanence of estate tax cuts. (Aug 2006)
Voted NO on permanently repealing the `death tax`. (Jun 2006)
Voted YES on $47B for military by repealing capital gains tax cut. (Feb 2006)
Voted NO on retaining reduced taxes on capital gains & dividends. (Feb 2006)
Voted NO on extending the tax cuts on capital gains and dividends. (Nov 2005)
Rated 100% by the CTJ, indicating support of progressive taxation. (Dec 2006)

BTW, what color is Obama when you view him through your rose colored glasses?
Title: Re: so if he got elected.....
Post by: Anaxogoras on July 08, 2008, 03:02:14 PM
Ok, osamabama is a pretty good one.  It's funny because it's so over the top and ridiculous.  Here's one for the other side.  From now on, we call McCain "Ahmadinecain," after the president of Iran, because they're both ultra hawks. :aok
Title: Re: so if he got elected.....
Post by: Mojava on July 08, 2008, 03:09:07 PM
 I saw a suggestion for a bumper sticker on a wing nut website I thought was funny.

 Obama
 Change...it's all you'll have left!




Title: Re: so if he got elected.....
Post by: Ripsnort on July 08, 2008, 03:12:30 PM
My fellow Americans:
 
As your future President I want to thank my supporters, for your mindless support of me, despite my complete lack of any legislative achievement, my pastor's relations with Louis Farrakhan and Libyan dictator Moamar Quadafi, or my blatantly leftist voting record while I present myself as some sort of bi-partisan agent of change.
 
I also like how my supporters claim my youthful drug use and criminal behavior somehow qualifies me for the Presidency after 8 years of claiming Bush's youthful drinking disqualifies him. Your hypocrisy is a beacon of hope shining over a sea of political posing.
 
I would also like to thank the Kennedy's for coming out in support of me. There's a lot of glamour behind the Kennedy name, even though JFK started the Vietnam War, his brother Robert illegally wiretapped Martin Luther King, Jr. and Teddy killed a female employee with whom he was having an extra marital affair and who was pregnant with his child. And I'm not going  anywhere near the cousins, both literally and figuratively.

 

 

And I'd like to thank Oprah Winfrey for her support.  Her love of meaningless empty platitudes will be the force that propels me to the White House.
 
Americans should vote for me, not because of my lack of experience or achievement, but because I make people feel good. Voting for me causes some white folk to feel relieved of their imagined, racist guilt.


I say things that sound meaningful, but don't really mean anything because Americans are tired of things having meaning. If things have meaning, then that means you have to think about them. Americans are tired of thinking. It's time to shut down the brain, and open up the heart. So when you go to vote, remember don't think, just do. And do it for me.   
 
Thank You.


            Barack Hussein Obama, Jr.

Title: Nobama
Post by: moot on July 08, 2008, 03:24:46 PM
You guys are a bunch of glass half full pessimists. Obamas has never said anything about raising taxes,
Hey at least there's no tax raise right?! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,240375.msg2921455.html#msg2921455)
Title: Re: so if he got elected.....
Post by: Carrel on July 08, 2008, 03:24:52 PM
Nice cut and paste Rip.  :lol
Title: Re: so if he got elected.....
Post by: Mojava on July 08, 2008, 03:25:06 PM
 That was brilliant,  a little whiny but still good. 

 Moot whats the point of linking the same post? Ego thing?
Title: Re: so if he got elected.....
Post by: Charon on July 08, 2008, 03:27:11 PM
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we call McCain "Ahmadinecain

I kinda like Juan McShamnesty myself  :)

Charon
Title: Re: so if he got elected.....
Post by: Gunthr on July 08, 2008, 04:08:31 PM
My sig says it all regarding politicians.  ACTION speaks louder than WORDS when evaluating them.  This is particularly true in Obama's case, where there is a huge gap between his radical leftist/socialist voting history, his historical associations, his ethics problems, and his historical antipathy towards America -  none of which matches what is coming out of his mouth during this electoral campaign.

As Thomas Sowell points out, in days of old people used to ask "Who is that masked man?" 

Those of us who do not already see the truth about Obama should ask themselves this question - because there is a major disconnect here.
Title: Re: so if he got elected.....
Post by: moot on July 08, 2008, 07:07:16 PM
That was brilliant,  a little whiny but still good. 

 Moot whats the point of linking the same post? Ego thing?
I linked to this
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[Obama] has clearly indicated he will raise taxes on higher income earners, he will raise capital gains taxes which affects everyone in the stock market, he has said the "wealthy" will pay more tax but hasn't defined "wealthy" and he has said he will restore progressive tax.

Those are all tax increases.

Here is a sample of his voting record on taxes. He never met a tax he didn't like.

Voted YES on increasing tax rate for people earning over $1 million. (Mar 2008)
Voted NO on allowing AMT reduction without budget offset. (Mar 2008)
Voted NO on raising the Death Tax exemption to $5M from $1M. (Feb 2008)
Voted NO on repealing the Alternative Minimum Tax. (Mar 2007)
Voted NO on raising estate tax exemption to $5 million. (Mar 2007)
Voted NO on supporting permanence of estate tax cuts. (Aug 2006)
Voted NO on permanently repealing the `death tax`. (Jun 2006)
Voted YES on $47B for military by repealing capital gains tax cut. (Feb 2006)
Voted NO on retaining reduced taxes on capital gains & dividends. (Feb 2006)
Voted NO on extending the tax cuts on capital gains and dividends. (Nov 2005)
Rated 100% by the CTJ, indicating support of progressive taxation. (Dec 2006)
After you said
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You guys are a bunch of glass half full pessimists. Obamas has never said anything about raising taxes,
Do you not see the connection?

Now, Obama talks a lot of crap, especialy about nasa, and while it's a real pet peeve of mine, it's not wrong just because it's nasa.. It's not just nasa but one of the things that unarguably put the US at the top of the world, and it's not just a national imperative as such, it's also a human imperative in what it's responsible for accomplishing.  Space isn't just some far out crackpot land, it's the same thing america was a few centuries ago. How did the USA turn out, from their tiny rebellious beginnings? It's the same thing the west was when Lewis and Clark went out in the boonies.. And they went out into that wild expanse and we now have metropolitan sprawls all over it, while back then there was nothing.  All the resources in the whole planet are pebbles on the beach of space, relatively.  All that useful material is just sitting out there waiting for someone to exploit and make something of it.  That something's going to be to all of planet Earth what that which the USA's grown into is to what it begun as.
So NASA isn't some fancy useless cash eater, and what cash it does eat only amounts to 1% of the budget.  And like I said further up, the guy you and a bunch of others are clamoring for is going to cripple this 1% part of the budget, to feed the crumbs to another part of the budget that's mismanaged - IOW it doesn't need MORE feeding, not before it gets a new management formula.

Now, nasa is mismanaged itself, but it's way more efficient than academics.  Like others have said, the education system is pumping out students that are in some cases illiterate.  A first hand example: when i got to the US, I was skipped one year.  Even with that year jump, I was in honors classes where the stuff that was taught was as much as FOUR years old to me.  Not just random stuff, but chemistry principles taught in the best class the school had to offer.
The pedagogy was bad too, not just the material.  The teachers didn't really put the kids to work at high efficiency, e.g. they "taught the tests" and gave extra credit, so the kids just snoozed thru class and crammed to make passing grade at the end of the terms...  In general there weren't the seeds of professionality you find way more commonly back in France, the UK, Germany..  When I looked at more than 9 out of 10 students, it was obvious they didn't see how all the classes fit together to tell a bigger story.  All the stuff they memorized to pass the classes was just swimming together in an uncorelated soup.
I went to the finals for the last year of High School and just like the whole year, I missed just a few questions, and knew what the right answer to all but one or two out of 100-200 total within a few minutes of walking out of the test.  How did I do so well?  I'd worked pretty hard at the start of the semester, but realized it wasn't necessary for a 90+ grade.  For the final, I showed up 2 hours before the start, and read the notebook...  That was enough.  That's how much of a piece of cake it is.
Even the state tests that evaluate the quality of the schools are mediocre.. In fact they're the worst: the teachers make even more efforts to ensure the students know how to answer the test. 

Now what's Obama's solution for the US schools?  I haven't read about it myself, but hearing from the more credible posters on the forum, he's just going to throw money at the system.  "Change!"; maybe he could go "Hocus Pocus!" too.  It sounds like he's doing the same thing with NASA.  Like we said, nasa isn't some trifle thing, and yet Obama (and McCain too) is just going to bleed it for 5 years (when 1% out of the federal social programs could pay for 10x what he could get out of nasa, and those programs could definitely do without 1% a piece) and NOT ADRESS the exact problems that are plaguing nasa...

Because while nasa has a major part of responsibility in securing the USA's future commercial and technological international leadership, has been doing a pretty good job in the field, the higher management is pretty crappy.  Maybe as bad as the education's, but it comes out ok, because nasa is a bunch of very educated and/or experienced eggheads and/or engineers working on a perfectly compliant substrate (technology), whereas academics act on a pretty flaky one (students largely K to 4yr Uni degrees).   But overall the two are equaly important.
This is the sort of speech Obama would have to give (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=VPW70BWA) to sound credible when he says "Change" over and over.  Change, yes, but change what??  The above speech never gets into the scientific technicalities, but it gives specific and effective, really simple and down to earth solutions to the problems, and without requiring more government bloat to boot.   The part about the ATC is a very good example of this.

Now, you take all that, and you take what (for example) Charon has said about Obama, and there's no chance you and Carrel and the other Obama Koolaid guys sound credible at all.  And I'm not saying this to point at McCain as the better alternative, although he is.  McCain sucks too, but not as bad as Obama, by quite a margin.  If a verdict has to be given to the whole matter, it's that both parties blow, and that the whole damn system needs to be deflated and shaken up and recycled.  Obama is definitely not who's going to do that.
Title: Re: so if he got elected.....
Post by: Captain Virgil Hilts on July 08, 2008, 07:28:49 PM
I stand corrected. According to the latest Rassmussen poll, the Democratic led Congress is the FIRST CONGRESS IN HISTORY TO HAVE A SINGLE DIGIT APPROVAL RATING!
Title: Re: so if he got elected.....
Post by: Ripsnort on July 08, 2008, 07:29:46 PM
Nice cut and paste Rip.  :lol
Rip and paste or not, all truth in that comical email.  :rock
Title: Re: so if he got elected.....
Post by: WWhiskey on July 08, 2008, 08:35:09 PM
My fellow Americans:
 
As your future President I want to thank my supporters, for your mindless support of me, despite my complete lack of any legislative achievement, my pastor's relations with Louis Farrakhan and Libyan dictator Moamar Quadafi, or my blatantly leftist voting record while I present myself as some sort of bi-partisan agent of change.
 
I also like how my supporters claim my youthful drug use and criminal behavior somehow qualifies me for the Presidency after 8 years of claiming Bush's youthful drinking disqualifies him. Your hypocrisy is a beacon of hope shining over a sea of political posing.
 
I would also like to thank the Kennedy's for coming out in support of me. There's a lot of glamour behind the Kennedy name, even though JFK started the Vietnam War, his brother Robert illegally wiretapped Martin Luther King, Jr. and Teddy killed a female employee with whom he was having an extra marital affair and who was pregnant with his child. And I'm not going  anywhere near the cousins, both literally and figuratively.

 

 

And I'd like to thank Oprah Winfrey for her support.  Her love of meaningless empty platitudes will be the force that propels me to the White House.
 
Americans should vote for me, not because of my lack of experience or achievement, but because I make people feel good. Voting for me causes some white folk to feel relieved of their imagined, racist guilt.


I say things that sound meaningful, but don't really mean anything because Americans are tired of things having meaning. If things have meaning, then that means you have to think about them. Americans are tired of thinking. It's time to shut down the brain, and open up the heart. So when you go to vote, remember don't think, just do. And do it for me.   
 
Thank You.


            Barack Hussein Obama, Jr.


very nice
OK if you take away the ever present 10% media add to the polls, Obama loses anyway!
but if he wins then just remember, Carter got us Reagen!
 so buckle up and hang on,
 4 years of companies going south of the border to avoid $10 an hour minimum wage,
or corporate taxes that cause them too just shut down completely,
$10 a gallon milk,
$8 a gallon gas!

he is going too tell us that it is going to be tough,
he will say we all must pay our fair share to fix the problems,
only thing is your not going to believe how much its really going to cost you!!! :O

like i said Carter got us Reagen, so go on vote for whoever you like!