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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: ZetaNine on July 12, 2008, 09:01:14 PM
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Translation: bin laden is paying us more than you are.
Time to cut off the money train to these scum bags and give them what they deserve.......
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NEW YORK - Pakistan's top diplomat said Saturday there are no U.S. or other foreign military personnel on the hunt for Osama bin Laden in his nation, and none will be allowed in to search for the al-Qaida leader.
In an interview with The Associated Press, Pakistani Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi said his nation's new government has ruled out such military operations, covert or otherwise, to catch militants.
"Our government's policy is that our troops, paramilitary forces and our regular forces are deployed in sufficient numbers. They are capable of taking action there. And any foreign intrusion would be counterproductive," he said Saturday. "People will not accept it. Questions of sovereignty come in."
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Money isn't the issue. The problem is that too many people in Pakistan (including it's security services) have sympathy with what Bin Laden is trying to achieve and/or have too much to loose if he gets caught.
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I'm sure I've read somewhere that Pakistan tried to deal with them (in the mountainous tribal areas), and lost some 600 soldiers with no tangible results....hmmm have to look
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If Osama was caught, his value as a bogeyman would be spent. People might actually question why persons who are obviously not terrorists are being strip-searched at the airport, and if he is caught in Pakistan, people might get out their maps and notice that Pakistan is nowhere near Iraq. That would be be harmful to plans, and cannot be allowed.
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If Osama was caught, his value as a bogeyman would be spent. People might actually question why persons who are obviously not terrorists are being strip-searched at the airport, and if he is caught in Pakistan, people might get out their maps and notice that Pakistan is nowhere near Iraq. That would be be harmful to plans, and cannot be allowed.
Sorry to disturb your tinfoil helmet rap, but Pakistan is very close indeed to our guys in Afghanistan and
is an annoying refuge to our enemies.
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Yes, but everybody always freaks out about Iraq...
Something huge happens in Afghanistan and they get nothing on the news, the slightest thing gets front-page headlines on the Clinton News Network... :rolleyes: (really over-exaggerating it)
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It's not just hiding bin laden that bothers me........it's their inability to control their own mountainous borders that have taliban coming over from pakistan.......laying fire on our guys.......then running back over the border where they are given this virtual immunity....if pakistan could handle things that would be one thing.......but they can't.
that said......this just might be political rhetoric. say what you want about bush......but the man has no ego......and he's smart in allowing this jerk in pakistan as well as the leader in iraq to spout off at the mouth....which empowers these cats to their own people...which in turn...is in our best interests.
I'm thinking the reality is bush tells them to talk tough and talk about their soverighnty.......and in exchange.....he keeps his mouth while in reality we are sending in covert and overt ops day and night.... win/win
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Are you a bit too :noid?
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Or, is he not :noid enough?
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This type of war in the mountains of Afganistan and Pakistan is very hard to win just ask the Russians :O O yea but that was when the US was backing the terrorists :aok
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Sorry to disturb your tinfoil helmet rap, but Pakistan is very close indeed to our guys in Afghanistan and
is an annoying refuge to our enemies.
But still not very close to Iraq.
I believe that with the resources available to the U.S., they could have had Osama's head by now, if that were the point. I believe Osama may in fact have been killed. I don't believe we will know for a very long, if ever, the real fate of bin Laden, for the reasons I stated.
9/11 represented a good opportunity for the government to increase its power without the people raising a fuss, and they have made the most of it.
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This type of war in the mountains of Afganistan and Pakistan is very hard to win just ask the Russians :O O yea but that was when the US was backing the terrorists :aok
Yes, but the Americans didn't slaughter Civilians. So the Civilians are backing the Americans a bunch there.
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9/11 represented a good opportunity for the government to increase its power without the people raising a fuss, and they have made the most of it.
Your tin hat is way too freaking tight. You must be buying into the conspiracy theory really big.
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Your tin hat is way too freaking tight. You must be buying into the conspiracy theory really big.
Is he also buying into the "The govt bombed the World Trade Center even though thousands of people saw a plane hit it!"
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Is he also buying into the "The govt bombed the World Trade Center even though thousands of people saw a plane hit it!"
Ah, a lovely paper tiger for you to tear down. But not mine. Why would they need to engineer their own act of terrorism? So many lunatics willing to do the deed for them.
It is also possible, maybe even probable, that the Reichstag fire was actually set by a Communist partisan. This does not change the fact that the incident was milked for all it was worth by the Nazis.
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Pakistan is an excellant example of why we must not allow Iran to enrich uranium.
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Pakistan is an excellant example of why we must not allow Iran to enrich uranium.
And how you're going to do that?
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Pakistan is an excellant example of why we must not allow Iran to enrich uranium.
Why because Pakistan has nuclear capabilities we have to actually respect their borders and requests. :O
And how you're going to do that?
I guess he wants another war that no one can afford. :aok
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I don't recall Pakistan threatening to wipe countries off the map, nor does Pakistan arm Hezbollah
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BnZ so far I agree with you 100%!!!!
Why because Pakistan has nuclear capabilities we have to actually respect their borders and requests. :O
I guess he wants another war that no one can afford. :aok
This would seem to be implying that for some reason, we should not respect countries without nukes...?
If so, something is very, very seriously wrong with that outlook in my opinion.
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Yossarian
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I don't recall Pakistan threatening to wipe countries off the map, nor does Pakistan arm Hezbollah
No, but don't believe everything you hear from the Associated Press. Check them out see who owns them. They are the only source for our news. :O
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BnZ so far I agree with you 100%!!!!
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Yossarian
I'm sorry. I'll try harder next time. Read some of my other posts, there has got to be at least one opinion of mind that you will find worth reviling. :D
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perhaps we need to send an american .... perhaps an american indian............to go over there and blow up 3000 people in one of thier cities..........then come back here........and hide out in some american indian reservation in nevada.........to which we tell pakistan....he is in a sovereign protected tribal area that we cannot and will not access.
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And how you're going to do that?
The real question is will we be able to stop Israel from doing it.
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No, but don't believe everything you hear from the Associated Press. Check them out see who owns them. They are the only source for our news. :O
The AP is the only source we have for news? :rofl
Sounds like :noid to me.
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ap is the only source? ap was powerful 30 years ago. now....nobody controls news
anyone with a computer can access almost every news source on earth........
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Anyone having access to internet news does not equate to no one controling news, nor a majority reading the news on the net, and most likely not assessing a wide and balanced range of sources.
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Anyone having access to internet news does not equate to no one controling news, nor a majority reading the news on the net, and most likely not assessing a wide and balanced range of sources.
true that.
my point was that no entity wholly controls news content these days..whether that be print, broadcast, cable, internet, or any other means.
that may have died with hurst...in this country anyway.
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perhaps we need to send an american .... perhaps an american indian............to go over there and blow up 3000 people in one of thier cities..........then come back here........and hide out in some american indian reservation in nevada.........to which we tell pakistan....he is in a sovereign protected tribal area that we cannot and will not access.
I think a better comparison would be if a Canadian citizen went to Mexico, blew up 3000 Mexicans, and was then rumored to be hiding out in the USA- would we allow Mexico to send in military units to find the Canuck?
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The real question is will we be able to stop Israel from doing it.
Hope not. Let em have thier fun. They're entitled to get rid of some extra ordinance,
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Pakistan talks more two faced sh*t than just about any other country on planet. If OBL location is found he will be targeted regardless of the host country. If the host country wants war with the US then what are you going to do? Let a mass murderer of 3000 people just hang out somewhere and chill? fu*k that and the horse it rode in on.
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The real question is will we be able to stop Israel from doing it.
If you had phrased that, "The real question is WOULD we stop Isreal from doing it", It would seem more appropriate.
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Pakistan talks more two faced sh*t than just about any other country on planet. If OBL location is found he will be targeted regardless of the host country. If the host country wants war with the US then what are you going to do? Let a mass murderer of 3000 people just hang out somewhere and chill? fu*k that and the horse it rode in on.
Well, the real clincher there is having proof he's in a country. So far as I know, we can't even prove he's anywhere.
I'd like to say this, though. It's most likely that if he's still alive, that he's hiding in a country dominated by a predominately Muslim Theocracy. Those tend to be smaller, more Third-world in nature. Any such Nation wouldn't stand much of a chance against the U.S. or any coallition of it's allies.
...However, Bin-Laden's managed to play himself into a major political card; If the various terrorist networks' simply spread the rumor that he's hiding in some place like, say, Libya, and U.S./Coalition forces' take some kind of military action there, We play into his hands' in the court of world opinion. And, we also get our military stretched thinner and thinner...To the point where we have too much on our plate to head off other crisis' as they rear they're heads. Then what do we do?
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Then what do we do?
I'll take a guess:
Then we strip-search some more old ladies from Des Moines, put up even more "Big Brother" cameras, and take away the last shred of any right you have left against search and siezure. You know, because Osama might be hiding in my freezer or in your CD cabinet. Also, we will ban overcoats, because they are popular with the suicide bombing set. :aok
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If you had phrased that, "The real question is WOULD we stop Isreal from doing it", It would seem more appropriate.
I think we would stop them but I think they may not ask for our permission.
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I'll take a guess:
Then we strip-search some more old ladies from Des Moines, put up even more "Big Brother" cameras, and take away the last shred of any right you have left against search and siezure.
paaaaaaaa-thetic :rolleyes:
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paaaaaaaa-thetic :rolleyes:
Okay then you are right and I am wrong. Tyranny can never happen in America. The fact that security thugs are harassing people who are obviously not terrorists constantly because it is better to be both innefective and assine than *gasp* profile people makes perfect sense. It makes more sense to invade Iraq to prevent terrorism than to cut off immigration to the U.S. from the countries which the 9/11 terrorists actually hailed from. The fact that we invaded Iraq and caught Saddam in less than a year but haven't bagged Osama in what, 7 years, is not the least bit suspicious. G.W. Bush and his neo-con cronies are good Christian country boys just like yourself, associations with Skull&Bones and other NWO organizations or the fact that Bush agreed to not veto Clinton's gun ban be damned. The only explanation for me not liking the President and policies that the media tells me all Red Staters have to love is that I am gay, gun-hating Californian vegan. It has nothing to do with a paleo-con concern with small government, personal freedom, and non-interventionist foriegn policy. Why, if I don't like what the Republicans are doing right now, I must be an Obama campaign worker. Any political thought that doesn't fit in with the two media and state approved parties is baaaaaaaaaad :rolleyes:
That sound about right to you chief?
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I'm not saying that "you" are pathetic. I believe that you mean well.
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I think we would stop them but I think they may not ask for our permission.
No, I agree with you there...Our gov't. has more leaks than my favorite spaghetti strainer; It would be a good way to lose the advantage of suprise. However, I also believe that they would make sure that we would have their back in case of some kind of balls-up, so...Maybe not all levels of our gov't., but someone would know. That leaves' the option of plausible deniability open to our Public leaders.
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I'm not saying that "you" are pathetic. I believe that you mean well.
You can't seperate the personal and the political quite that easily. By God sir, if you are right and I am wrong, my ideas are dangerous and semi-traitorous and put us in great danger of being blown to bits by Islamo-Fascist Grannies from Des Moines.
By the same token, I don't think people like you Sir are knowingly backing creeping totalitarianism, but the road to Hell and all that...
I will tell you something I observed. Right after the OKC bombing, Clinton and the forces of jack-booted thuggery did their best to make the incident into their very own Reichstag fire moment, and railroad the sort of legislation they wanted passed for years on through. (Governments LOVE incidents like OKC and 9/11.) Because Clinton was a Democrat, a hated liberal, and because "domestic terror" legislation was blatantly aimed at gun owners and politically conservative rural residents, the NRA, almost everyone I know, and people like yourself all across the country put back their ears and said "No way, Willy."
But 9/11 presents a different problem. I think because the perpetrators were brown-skinned foriegners with an alien religion, and because G.W. Bush is supposedly a "good old boy" from Texas (even though he is really a member of the same "ruling class" that provides 90% of our politicians) our defenses were down and we took one on the chin. The only ones in opposition were knee-jerk liberals shouting absurd slogans like "No war for oil" and a few traditionalist free-thinkers like myself.
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I don't think people like you Sir......
You see, thats the thing, you presume to know me. I dont even know me. Carry on :aok
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You see, thats the thing, you presume to know me. I dont even know me. Carry on :aok
You are correct, I don't know you, I "assumed" and you know what that spells. I assumed, perhaps incorrectly you are part of the "Guns, Guts, and God" culture in the U.S., which as you might guess, I am fond of. Though I consider them the backbone of the U.S.A., I am often chagrined at how easily they are manipulated by anybody who wears religion on his sleeve and affects a down-home accent.
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You see, thats the thing, you presume to know me. I dont even know me. Carry on :aok
you've changed man! honestly, when I read your first post in this thread I thought "who is this?" you not feeling well? Are you really you? Your whole style of typing and phrasing your words is....different.
can you prove your you??
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"Guns, Guts, and God" culture in the U.S.,
just got back from checking some historical documents...........and what do you know......that's how this country was formed...
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anyone here know any americans who have been able to prove they were damaged as a result of their rights being taken away by the patriot act?
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just got back from checking some historical documents...........and what do you know......that's how this country was formed...
read...the...rest...of...the. ..sentence
"I am rather fond of them, and think they are the backbone of this country..."
Although, case in point, Tom Jefferson and several other great thinkers in the service of Liberty were rather un-religious to say the least. However, as long as we all agree on the "Guns and Guts" part, :aok
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God bless you.
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This type of war in the mountains of Afganistan and Pakistan is very hard to win just ask the Russians :O O yea but that was when the US was backing the terrorists :aok
That's not an accurate statement and you know it. When the USSR was in Afghanistan the US covertly supplied the Muhajadeen (sp?) with weapons. The fact that Osama bin Turdhead was there helping the Afghans fight a foreign power in their country is irrelevant because Mr. Turdhead was not yet a terrorist.
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anyone here know any americans who have been able to prove they were damaged as a result of their rights being taken away by the patriot act?
http://garlinggauge.com/wp-content/plugins/vipers-video-quicktags/resources/flvplayer.swf?file=http%3A%2F%2Fgarlinggauge.com%2Fvideos%2Ffoxpatriot.flv (http://garlinggauge.com/wp-content/plugins/vipers-video-quicktags/resources/flvplayer.swf?file=http%3A%2F%2Fgarlinggauge.com%2Fvideos%2Ffoxpatriot.flv)
Andrew Napolitano on the problematical aspects of the Patriot Act. He must be some sort of pinko-commie nut of course... :rolleyes:
And frankly, what is going on in the airports is AT LEAST as disturbing to me as the Patriot Act. Probably more so. Thousands of Americans getting their dignity infringed upon by minimally-sentinent security drones as part of an abysmally stupid policy, and they mostly sit still for it. Of course, there was that one woman who got a little snotty about the drone pawing through her clothes, she obviously being a middle-class American chick. So she gets thrown to the ground and charged with disorderly conduct. I have had jobs before where I had to deal with female customers getting fairly indignant over this or that, it can be pretty annoying. However, if you are a Wal-Mart clerk or something and you hurl a woman to the ground for getting snotty
with you, YOU are the one who will be hauled off to jail, and rightly so.
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Bin Laden died in the Tora Bora mountains in 2001. Here's a little conspiracy theory to work you up a bit http://www.teamliberty.net/id267.html (http://www.teamliberty.net/id267.html)
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That's not an accurate statement and you know it. When the USSR was in Afghanistan the US covertly supplied the Muhajadeen (sp?) with weapons. The fact that Osama bin Turdhead was there helping the Afghans fight a foreign power in their country is irrelevant because Mr. Turdhead was not yet a terrorist.
One man's Freedom fighter is another man's terrorist. It's all a point of view. What's really ironic...My brother still has back issues' of Soldier of Fortune magazine where those journalists' travel to afghanistan and actually live with, and help train those same Taliban guerillas. Why? Because at that time, Osama bin Laden was out there killing communists, which was something that people here only wished they could do. Mr. Turdhead was out there living the Redneck dream.
I'd tell you what the real $64 million dollar question is, though. Were we always' supporting a(n) Islamic radical, or did something happen to make him have a change of heart...?
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One man's Freedom fighter is another man's terrorist. It's all a point of view. What's really ironic...My brother still has back issues' of Soldier of Fortune magazine where those journalists' travel to afghanistan and actually live with, and help train those same Taliban guerillas. Why? Because at that time, Osama bin Laden was out there killing communists, which was something that people here only wished they could do. Mr. Turdhead was out there living the Redneck dream.
I'd tell you what the real $64 million dollar question is, though. Were we always' supporting a(n) Islamic radical, or did something happen to make him have a change of heart...?
They weren't terrorists back then because they were hitting military targets and not civilian targets. Imo, that makes all the difference in the world.
I think Mr. Turdhead has always held his extremist views, I'm just not sure exactly when he started viewing America as the Great Satan.