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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: ZetaNine on July 12, 2008, 11:30:31 PM
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Another Black political writer making a good living by appealing to the Limbaugh set.
Fairly accurate, though the infuriating part is that if you do not possess "protective coloration", you will be socially crucified for stating these obvious facts. And I bet even Mr. Peterson did not get off lightly for writing this piece.
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Jesse Jackson is an idiot. Great story.
I remember a couple of years ago, he called Pepsi racist because they didn't do something he wanted them to do... :rolleyes:
Fact is about 60% of hate-crimes are Blacks against Whites and they never go reported. About 35% are Blacks, other Races hurting eachother, and about 5% are whites against blacks. And 110% of them are reported. 110% of the 5% is reported, not the other 60%...
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If they are never reported, how do you know?
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If they are never reported, how do you know?
:noid :noid
They're reported, you just never see them on NBC or CNN as front page headlines.
I saw an old news video of a white kid going to a friends house who got beaten by a group of blacks. None of them were charged IIRC.
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What does skin complexion have to do with morality?.Another publicity seeking racist.
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What does skin complexion have to do with morality?.Another publicity seeking racist.
that's not what he said at all.....you can't simplify it that way....sorry that's what you took from it.
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So he's blaming the people who stayed for not getting on the buses that weren't made available? The man is an idiot.
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So he's blaming the people who stayed for not getting on the buses that weren't made available? The man is an idiot.
I think he mentions the mayor and the senator.... and in the much bigger picture..the entire infrastructre and logistical collapse due to poor state and local planning..... ie bus issue.
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What does skin complexion have to do with morality?.Another publicity seeking racist.
Nothing, but if you are a non-White in this country, anything you do will be considered approximately 200% more moral, or less immoral, by the MSM*. I think for Blacks, the number is more like 900%.
Example: I have seen several tearful articles in the MSM about how badly Mexican gangs in California are treating their Black counterparts. You would think no Mexican has ever been murdered by a Black. Darker skin=better. And of course, absolutely no mention of any crimes perpetrated by either Black or Mexican gangs against Whites in California...that is apparently irrelevant.
*For the record, I include "Faux News" here. The idea that Fox is different enough in outlook from the other major news outlet to count is a carefully nurtured illusion.
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So he's blaming the people who stayed for not getting on the buses that weren't made available? The man is an idiot.
Those same people blame Bush for the disaster, and re-elected Nagin, who failed to make those buses available.
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I have an easier question...
If you saw a car speeding toward you would you stay where you were or attempt to get out of the way.
Same thing within 20 miles from the coast for a hurricane.
Anyone physically able who doesn't hightail it to high ground is a moron and gets what they deserve.
ROX
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So he's blaming the people who stayed for not getting on the buses that weren't made available? The man is an idiot.
Seems like he is blaming the man who didnt make the buses available, and the lazy who did nothing to save themselves or evacuate. Many did nothing but move from sitting lazily on the front porch to sitting on the roof.
While the white people had the basic common sense to leave and not wait to be hauled out at taxpayers expense all the while moaning about being mistreated.
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Said it once....say it again....
New Orleans was and is no more than a bowl of Cocoa puffs with marshmellow sprinkles....and mother nature poured the milk on.
They could have left and those that say blame anyone else other than the those that did.....are just looking for an excuse for those to be stupid.
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While the white people had the basic common sense to leave and not wait to be hauled out at taxpayers expense all the while moaning about being mistreated.
I don't really know much about what people in the mostly White communities along the Gulf Coast did or how they fared during Katrina.
The media wasn't interested enough to tell me. :(
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I don't really know much about what people in the mostly White communities along the Gulf Coast did or how they fared during Katrina.
The media wasn't interested enough to tell me. :(
The White commnities didn't fair any better than the Black communities did. They lost thier homes , cars , memories and all just like the Black people did. Funny thing is....they weren't on the news shooting at helicopters...looting....caus ing problems..and being generally ultra melons.
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'recent reports show [Nagin] failed to follow through on his own city's emergency-response plan, which acknowledged that thousands of the city's poorest residents would have no way to evacuate the city.'
One wonders how there was 'no way' for these people to evacuate the city. We have photographic evidence telling us otherwise. You've probably seen it by now the photo showing 2,000 parked school buses, unused and underwater.
When 75 percent of New Orleans residents had left the city, it was primarily immoral, welfare-pampered blacks that stayed behind and waited for the government to bail them out.
So he acknowledges that thousands would be stranded without help, yet calls them IMMORAL when they are left without help.
Yep Idiotic.
But then with most of you supporting our current President I would guess this guy would be right up your alley.
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Careful, gents...this one was of the same subject, FYI.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,240393.0.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,240393.0.html)
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So he acknowledges that thousands would be stranded without help, yet calls them IMMORAL when they are left without help.
Yep Idiotic.
But then with most of you supporting our current President I would guess this guy would be right up your alley.
Yes, do anything to appologize for them. Accuse a Black writer of being racist against Blacks, if that is the absurd extreme one must go in for to explain away underclass Black pathology.
You can steal CDs, you can steal jewelry, but you don't know how to steal a car or boat? Or at least how to not shoot at rescue choppers?
I don't think much of the "Decider" either, but this is one mess you can't blame on Bush.
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Wow... you need to read better.
I'm calling the author an idiot, not a racist... whole other word.
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And while we're pointing fingers and all.. maybe you should read this...
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1568/is_7_37/ai_n15975589
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Wow... you need to read better.
I calling the author an idiot, not a racist... whole other word.
True. Someone else accused the author of being a racist. He is not the only Black writer who wrote an article like this btw. I saw some by Black authors who aren't Republican shills, as well.
As for the rest, I don't know this writer, but he reported what happened accurately (official incompetence at the city level, unbelievable ass-hattery and true savagery on the part of the New Orleans underclass.) He doesn't blame them for being hit by a hurricane, he blames them for making the situation 10 time worse by doing, well, virtually every unproductive thing you could do in such a situation.
The helicopter incident does not make or break the case, if it never happened there are plenty of things did happen.
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So he acknowledges that thousands would be stranded without help, yet calls them IMMORAL when they are left without help.
Yep Idiotic.
But then with most of you supporting our current President I would guess this guy would be right up your alley.
evacuation plans for hurricanes fall totally on the mayor, and his team. he calls the bulk of the citizenry immoral for their action post-storm.
just a side note for you from someone who lives with the threat of hurricanes....evac plans are not made an hour before the storm. you seem to be falling for the same crap he said they fall for... "where is the federal government to help me evacuate."
btw...it's common knowledge to those of us who do not live in cities that were destroyed by two generations of govt. entitlements (the authors entire point by the way)...YOU ARE ON YOUR OWN FOR THE FIRST 72 HOURS AFTER A HURRICANE.
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When did I say that?
I'm not stunned you fail to understand what I wrote, even though it is in very short sentences.
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MT...I did a whole rant on this topic in another thread...and I'm too lazy to revisit it...
here's a post from that thread...and as you can see...the author of the article seems to agree...
.........it's not a "black" thing. it could very well have been whites. the enemy in this discussion is two generations of people living on government entitlements..literally nothing but government entitlements. an entire society called new orleans......that yes, in this case happens to be predominantly black.
If you raise two entire generations of any group of people on government entitlements (welfare) this is to be the expected result. A society that can no longer stand on their own two feet....is completely and totally dependent of the government for their every need...and will collapse under the slightest of emergencies......not to mention riot, loot and kill under the most dire ...rather than coming together and helping each other out...which is something absolutely foreign to them.
new orleans is a living/dying example of liberal based "government entitlement mentality" politics gone bad.
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All well and good, and completely irrelevent to the topic at hand. The authors premise is stupid, yet you want him to be president.
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Jesse Jackson is an idiot. Great story.
I remember a couple of years ago, he called Pepsi racist because they didn't do something he wanted them to do... :rolleyes:
Jesse Jackson has made a wonderful living extorting money from companies for YEARS using the exact same tactics
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So he's blaming the people who stayed for not getting on the buses that weren't made available? The man is an idiot.
From what I remember with N.O. they didn't let those people leave with the buses because "They werent nice enough"
I saw a picture of a police officer looting and threatening to shoot anybody who came near her stuff.
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From what I remember with N.O. they didn't let those people leave with the buses because "They werent nice enough"
I saw a picture of a police officer looting and threatening to shoot anybody who came near her stuff.
You remember wrong.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvINgJvd2Uc
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one of martin savage's best career stories that he ever filed.....
and once again....the exact point the author was making. two entire generations of government entitlements destroyed that city...from the top down.......as evidenced by those cops....feeling "entitled".....
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MT I think the point the author of that artical was trying to make is that within the black community there is a MAJOR lack of personal accountability and that the black commuinity needs to sddress that lack of personal accountability if they are ever going to get past the "racism" and dependance on the government that affects the black community.
Now I've never considered myself a racists person. I have now and have had in the past plenty of close personal friends of different color, religion, ethnicity, whatever. BUT at the same time I also live in area that is mostly government subsidized HUD homes and apartments and for the MOST part the people that live in those homes and apartments are black. They receive wellfare and every other government benifit they can get their hands on and yet I see them everyday standing on the corner doing nothing. Yet when you drive through those housing projects I can look at $2000-3000 rims on brand new cars and SUV's that I could afford on my best day and I make over $65000 a year working 40 hours a week at my job. How does that happen?
I was behind a young black woman last night at 7-11 checking out. She had 2 kids with her. When she went to pay for her items she used her food stamps, walked out the door and climbed in to a brand new 2008 Jaguar and drove off. What the hell is that all about? I'm still making payments on the USED 2001 Dodge Ram pickup I drive and I HAD to buy a used truck because I couldn't afford a new one. Then again I also pay full rent on my apartment, I don't get wellfare, or food stamps, or any other government benifit other than my military retirement. Woo Hooo a whole wopping $1700 a month for 20 years of service and during HALF of that time I made less than the National poverty level and even then I didn't receive government benifits.
So when I SEE stuff like this every day, and EVERY time I see it, it's someone within the black community scamming the government for every penny they can get and then blow it all on "bling" and then they complain because the government isn't doing enough for them, well yeah it pisses me off, and I guess it pissed off the author of that artical as well, and rightly so.
You should be pissed off when you see that stuff too. If your not then your doing nothing more than enabling that behavior and promoting it. Do you NOT see a problem with that? It has developed into a problem within the black community. Sure there are plenty of whites, mexicans, and people of other race living on the government dole but how often do you see them riding around in brand new luxury cars, wearing the latest $150 pair of sneakers, and enough gold hanging off their necks to anchor an aircraft carrier? How do they get the money to pay for all of that stuff, yet they are still living in HUD housing? You woud think if they had a job and were making that kind of money they would buy a nice home.
Personal accountability.
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kudos hornet....
perhaps one of the best written posts I've seen here........please try to post more.
ps- I think MT knows these things...and he's having a little fun playing the contraty card.
MT I think the point the author of that artical was trying to make is that within the black community there is a MAJOR lack of personal accountability and that the black commuinity needs to sddress that lack of personal accountability if they are ever going to get past the "racism" and dependance on the government that affects the black community.
Now I've never considered myself a racists person. I have now and have had in the past plenty of close personal friends of different color, religion, ethnicity, whatever. BUT at the same time I also live in area that is mostly government subsidized HUD homes and apartments and for the MOST part the people that live in those homes and apartments are black. They receive wellfare and every other government benifit they can get their hands on and yet I see them everyday standing on the corner doing nothing. Yet when you drive through those housing projects I can look at $2000-3000 rims on brand new cars and SUV's that I could afford on my best day and I make over $65000 a year working 40 hours a week at my job. How does that happen?
I was behind a young black woman last night at 7-11 checking out. She had 2 kids with her. When she went to pay for her items she used her food stamps, walked out the door and climbed in to a brand new 2008 Jaguar and drove off. What the hell is that all about? I'm still making payments on the USED 2001 Dodge Ram pickup I drive and I HAD to buy a used truck because I couldn't afford a new one. Then again I also pay full rent on my apartment, I don't get wellfare, or food stamps, or any other government benifit other than my military retirement. Woo Hooo a whole wopping $1700 a month for 20 years of service and during HALF of that time I made less than the National poverty level and even then I didn't receive government benifits.
So when I SEE stuff like this every day, and EVERY time I see it, it's someone within the black community scamming the government for every penny they can get and then blow it all on "bling" and then they complain because the government isn't doing enough for them, well yeah it pisses me off, and I guess it pissed off the author of that artical as well, and rightly so.
You should be pissed off when you see that stuff too. If your not then your doing nothing more than enabling that behavior and promoting it. Do you NOT see a problem with that? It has developed into a problem within the black community. Sure there are plenty of whites, mexicans, and people of other race living on the government dole but how often do you see them riding around in brand new luxury cars, wearing the latest $150 pair of sneakers, and enough gold hanging off their necks to anchor an aircraft carrier? How do they get the money to pay for all of that stuff, yet they are still living in HUD housing? You woud think if they had a job and were making that kind of money they would buy a nice home.
Personal accountability.
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MT I think the point the author of that artical was trying to make is that within the black community there is a MAJOR lack of personal accountability and that the black commuinity needs to sddress that lack of personal accountability if they are ever going to get past the "racism" and dependance on the government that affects the black community.
Now I've never considered myself a racists person. I have now and have had in the past plenty of close personal friends of different color, religion, ethnicity, whatever. BUT at the same time I also live in area that is mostly government subsidized HUD homes and apartments and for the MOST part the people that live in those homes and apartments are black. They receive wellfare and every other government benifit they can get their hands on and yet I see them everyday standing on the corner doing nothing. Yet when you drive through those housing projects I can look at $2000-3000 rims on brand new cars and SUV's that I could afford on my best day and I make over $65000 a year working 40 hours a week at my job. How does that happen?
I was behind a young black woman last night at 7-11 checking out. She had 2 kids with her. When she went to pay for her items she used her food stamps, walked out the door and climbed in to a brand new 2008 Jaguar and drove off. What the hell is that all about? I'm still making payments on the USED 2001 Dodge Ram pickup I drive and I HAD to buy a used truck because I couldn't afford a new one. Then again I also pay full rent on my apartment, I don't get wellfare, or food stamps, or any other government benifit other than my military retirement. Woo Hooo a whole wopping $1700 a month for 20 years of service and during HALF of that time I made less than the National poverty level and even then I didn't receive government benifits.
So when I SEE stuff like this every day, and EVERY time I see it, it's someone within the black community scamming the government for every penny they can get and then blow it all on "bling" and then they complain because the government isn't doing enough for them, well yeah it pisses me off, and I guess it pissed off the author of that artical as well, and rightly so.
You should be pissed off when you see that stuff too. If your not then your doing nothing more than enabling that behavior and promoting it. Do you NOT see a problem with that? It has developed into a problem within the black community. Sure there are plenty of whites, mexicans, and people of other race living on the government dole but how often do you see them riding around in brand new luxury cars, wearing the latest $150 pair of sneakers, and enough gold hanging off their necks to anchor an aircraft carrier? How do they get the money to pay for all of that stuff, yet they are still living in HUD housing? You woud think if they had a job and were making that kind of money they would buy a nice home.
Personal accountability.
I'm going to turn the welfare tap off sometime in the future. There will be real reasons why this is done, including stopping the redistribution of money.
However, I am keenly aware how funny the reaction will be when the free money dries up in some communities. It'll be a riot (pun fully intended).
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Ahhh the mods have ensured that you all can continue to change the subject of the original post to "personal responsibility". Too bad.
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You remember wrong.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvINgJvd2Uc
your video kind of kills your contention. The only white person on this video was the reporter.
Many (if not most) who see the video will say: "Black people (including the cops) are looting", but you keep qualifying it with "people who happen to be black are looting"
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Ahhh the mods have ensured that you all can continue to change the subject of the original post to "personal responsibility". Too bad.
what is this "thing" you have with that?
you want to keep this thread specifically related to me saying the guy should be our next president because that's what I said in the thread title?
conversations flow and adapt and change........
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17- Threads started devoid of commentary will not be allowed (i.e. links, cut-n-pastes, clicky, read this...)
edit: I don't get this.......I added two lines of commentary at the very top of this article? and I always space my comments with ++++ so the mods and readers will know it's not part of the article.
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Ahhh the mods have ensured that you all can continue to change the subject of the original post to "personal responsibility". Too bad.
If I'm not mistaken and I KNOW for a fact I'm not, the ENTIRE point of the artical that started this entire thread was about the personal resposiblity or lack there of in the black community.
The FACT that Zeta started this thread with the title he did, and used the artical as the basis for why he thinks this guy should be running for President must be because he agrees with the author that within the black community there is a general lack of personal responsibility and that the black community as a whole needs to address the issue themselves and stop blamming everyone else when things don't go their way.
OR do you just want to sit back and blame the mods because your argument isn't going your way?
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your video kind of kills your contention. The only white person on this video was the reporter.
Many (if not most) who see the video will say: "Black people (including the cops) are looting", but you keep qualifying it with "people who happen to be black are looting"
Did you see a female cop threaten anyone with a gun?
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what is this "thing" you have with that?
you want to keep this thread specifically related to me saying the guy should be our next president because that's what I said in the thread title?
conversations flow and adapt and change........
My point has been and continues to be that the author of the article was idiotic. I never once said anything about the lack of personal responsibility shown by those stranded in NO. The author of the article on the other hand made points that were not backed up by either the facts or his own contentions in the article. My logic professor would have flunked him out of hand. The fact that you think the article in question makes the author not only admirable but someone you would want to lead the free world is just plain scary.
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So it's scarry for a leader of government to believe it's an individuals personal resposnibility to take care of themselves? That's what the author was promoting. For people to take responsiblity for their own protection, safety, and actions and NOT wait for the government to hand everything to them on a silver platter.
What's so scarry about that? Unless your going to be one of those that has all the free stuff taken away from you and then be expected to take care of yourself, it doesn't seem like a bad idea.
I agree with the author. Sink or swim, it's up to the individual and it's no ones fault but their own how they turn out in life.
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My point has been and continues to be that the author of the article was idiotic. I never once said anything about the lack of personal responsibility shown by those stranded in NO. The author of the article on the other hand made points that were not backed up by either the facts or his own contentions in the article. My logic professor would have flunked him out of hand. The fact that you think the article in question makes the author not only admirable but someone you would want to lead the free world is just plain scary.
MT...I appreciate your opinions...I really do...and I dig a good debate... with that said though...several things here have flown over your head....including but not limited to; intent, humor, exaggeration, and irony.
please tell your logic professor that his thinking is flawed....
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MT...I appreciate your opinions...I really do...and I dig a good debate... with that said though...several things here have flown over your head....including but not limited to; intent, humor, exaggeration, and irony.
please tell your logic professor that his thinking is flawed....
Really? You say something funny? Oh wait you exaggerated something in a funny way? A funny ironic way? I bet it was good too. Unfortunately I can't find it in this thread. Maybe the mod made it go away?
I'd tell my old prof, but he's probably dead. That was about 30 years ago.
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Personal accountability.
Blah, that's capitalism. They're just clever to use the system designed by socialist white folks. Blame the enablers not those who pursue happiness, which is their inalienable right, as said in declaration of independence, and enjoy welfare promoted by people of the United States, as written in preamble of our constitution.
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Blah, that's capitalism. They're just clever to use the system designed by socialist white folks. Blame the enablers not those who pursue happiness, which is their inalienable right, as said in declaration of independence, and enjoy welfare promoted by people of the United States, as written in preamble of our constitution.
Yep your right and that's the problem I have with the whole damn wellfare system. I work hard to earn my money, pay my taxes, and then get to watch a bunch of hoods collect wellfare, live in a government subsidised home, get food stamps, all the benifits I CAN'T get because I "make" too much money, and these ultra melons have a nicer car than I can afford, better cloths, don't have to work, and then complain and tell me I OWE THEM BECAUSE I'M WHITE???????? Then call me a racists if I don't agree with them??????????
And people in the black community wonder why there is STILL a racial undercurrent in this country. God forbid if someone in the black community calls them on it either, then they're just an Uncle Tom.
Blows my mind.
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Really? You say something funny? Oh wait you exaggerated something in a funny way? A funny ironic way? I bet it was good too. Unfortunately I can't find it in this thread.
hook, line and sinker....
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I consider anyone who plays the "race card" a racist.Anyone who thinks that the human race is subdivided by different "races"...black,white,asian,aboriginal etc...is of a racist belief.
Our species is approximately 100,000 yrs old.We ALL desended from the same small region in Africa where we were down to a few thousand examples in the Savanna Desert.Had our brain not evolved enough to make a decision to move on & spread out(because of arid climactic conditions),we most likely would have joined the 99% club of creatures that graced the earth and became extinct...That close.
*Btw..if u send National Geographic $100 and a DNA sample,they will sequence it and tell you what region of Africa your desendants came from.(you will also see how much our dna has in common with other animals and even plant life)
As we spread out,this ONE RACE of human beings began to thrive and migrated to more suitable climates and continents..The American Indian's crossing the ice passage that once existed between Alaska & Asia.Why people have different skins complexions and slightly different physical features is evolution based on climactic conditions.Which would explain why the Eskimos(who stayed in the cold climate) look a little different than the aboriginals who migrated south,why the European settlers have lighter skin than those that stayed in Africa.
imho science has abolished racism(the concept of a sudivided human race).."Race" is another invention by mankind(much like religion) to divide,silence and suppress us..it empowers those who play the "race card" to bring skin complexion into humanistic affairs.It is a retardent to us ever reaching human solidarity.
Eliminate racism?...Science has done that.We just need to look at the evidence and recalibrate our pre-frontal lobes.
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skin complexion into humanistic affairs.
Agreed, we should stick to hair color. Brunettes or blondes? hmmm. :confused:
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I'm still waiting for MT to respond to my post at the top of page 3. I would love to hear his rational as to why the MAJORITY of people in the black community DON'T speak out against this type of behavior and life style.
I've always been taught and believed that if you stay silent about something that is obviously wrong, then you agree with it, and promote it. I also don't care what the skin color is of the person doing it, but after 38 years of watching and having lived all over this country, my observations are that the black community is the most prevelant group of people living on the governments dole, and will complain the loudest when the government doesn't take care of them.
If that statement means I'm racist, then I guess I am, but I'll still call it how I see it. I'd rather be a racist that takes care of my buisness on my own, than a fool waiting for the monthly handout from the government.
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If that statement means I'm racist, then I guess I am, but I'll still call it how I see it. I'd rather be a racist that takes care of my buisness on my own, than a fool waiting for the monthly handout from the government.
That is an "ethnic" opinion and may(or may not) be backed up by statistics.
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I consider anyone who plays the "race card" a racist.
define playing the race card.... I still don't get that. its meant different things since I first stated hearing it as a kid....
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hook, line and sinker....
I don't think that means what you think it means...
(http://www.mandypatinkin.net/PB/inigo1.jpeg)
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par for the course. you don't think my thread means what it means either. perhaps it 'aint me....
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I'm still waiting for MT to respond to my post at the top of page 3. I would love to hear his rational as to why the MAJORITY of people in the black community DON'T speak out against this type of behavior and life style.
I've always been taught and believed that if you stay silent about something that is obviously wrong, then you agree with it, and promote it. I also don't care what the skin color is of the person doing it, but after 38 years of watching and having lived all over this country, my observations are that the black community is the most prevelant group of people living on the governments dole, and will complain the loudest when the government doesn't take care of them.
If that statement means I'm racist, then I guess I am, but I'll still call it how I see it. I'd rather be a racist that takes care of my buisness on my own, than a fool waiting for the monthly handout from the government.
I think your statistics are flawed. I think you are lumping people into a group based on skin color when in actuality it is a group based on opportunity and economics. I think that people without hope will act like people without hope, no matter what color their skin may be.
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I think your statistics are flawed. I think you are lumping people into a group based on skin color when in actuality it is a group based on opportunity and economics. I think that people without hope will act like people without hope, no matter what color their skin may be.
1. 40 years and still without hope........proof liberal handouts destroy and not uplift.
2. the author made it clear he was speaking of blacks in new orleans.........not "blacks"
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define playing the race card.... I still don't get that. its meant different things since I first stated hearing it as a kid....
Here's an excample for you. You own a buisness and have an opening for a position. You have 2 people come in and apply for the job and both of them have the exact same education and experiance.
Guy #1 is a white guy, dressed in nice pants, button down shirt and tie, dress shoes, says yes sir, no sir when you ask him questions, has a resume printed out explaining his experiance and education.
Guy #2 is a black guy, dressed in pants that are falling off his hips, a t-shirt that 2 sizes to big for him, sneakers, talks like he is in the hood drinking a 40 with you on the porch, no resume, even though he's telling you all about his experiance and education which is identical to guy #1.
Who do you hire? Guy #1 right? Well then guy #2 sues you because he has just as much experiance as guy one but you hired him because he's white, not because he presented himself better than guy 2 did.
That's the race card.
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define playing the race card.... I still don't get that. its meant different things since I first stated hearing it as a kid....
Fair enough..
Mr Obama,on Fathers Day...made headlines saying that blacks were "disproportionaly deadbeat fathers" compared to other races.Like the colour of one's skin is more likely to make you a "deadbeat Dad"...Completely skirting the overall issues of non-support.
There is a thread on that one.
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2. the author made it clear he was speaking of blacks in new orleans.........not "blacks"
No he didn't. The author said that if all of the white people left America it would be a ghetto in 10 months. He was painting with a really broad brush.
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I consider anyone who plays the "race card" a racist.Anyone who thinks that the human race is subdivided by different "races"...black,white,asian,aboriginal etc...is of a racist belief.
Loin, this is a different discussion. But groups spreading out, breeding, mutating, and differentiating is EXACTLY what makes it very unlikely that every group of humans will be the same in all inheritiable traits. It is about as likely as flipping a coin and getting tails a million times in a row. Now if we were all descended from some apple-munching dolt and his wife who were created in 4,004 B.C., then I think we'd all pretty much be exactly the same. :lol
But if it makes you feel any better for me to say it,rights and liberties are not based on the proposition that all individuals or groups are exactly the same, but on the proposition that all individuals who agree to respect the right of others to live unmolested are "the same enough". That is the important part.
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Here's an excample for you. You own a buisness and have an opening for a position. You have 2 people come in and apply for the job and both of them have the exact same education and experiance.
Guy #1 is a white guy, dressed in nice pants, button down shirt and tie, dress shoes, says yes sir, no sir when you ask him questions, has a resume printed out explaining his experiance and education.
Guy #2 is a black guy, dressed in pants that are falling off his hips, a t-shirt that 2 sizes to big for him, sneakers, talks like he is in the hood drinking a 40 with you on the porch, no resume, even though he's telling you all about his experiance and education which is identical to guy #1.
Who do you hire? Guy #1 right? Well then guy #2 sues you because he has just as much experiance as guy one but you hired him because he's white, not because he presented himself better than guy 2 did.
That's the race card.
BS..
That is a fairy tale told by white supremist organizations to scare people. I wouldn't hire anyone who showed up for an interview looking like a fool, even if he were MORE qualified. And no one would be expected to either.
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I think your statistics are flawed. I think you are lumping people into a group based on skin color when in actuality it is a group based on opportunity and economics. I think that people without hope will act like people without hope, no matter what color their skin may be.
And why don't they have hope? They waiting on the government to give it to them? That's the entire point of this discussion and the point the author of the artical at the start of this thread are trying to get across. If young black people are so without hope who's responsiblity is it to give them that hope? The government or their own community of people? Who is REALLY failing here?
Like I said I see these people every day driving luxery cars, brand new expensive cloths, more "bling" than you can shake a stick at, and these same folks are the one complaining about not getting enough from the government and that they are repressed and discriminated against. WTF?? You DON'T see a problem?
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No he didn't. The author said that if all of the white people left America it would be a ghetto in 10 months. He was painting with a really broad brush.
no. that was after the white people leave.... hypothetical point and unrelated. also inadmissible to your arguments.
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BS..
That is a fairy tale told by white supremist organizations to scare people. I wouldn't hire anyone who showed up for an interview looking like a fool, even if he were MORE qualified. And no one would be expected to either.
REALLY?? My company is being sued right now because of this. Tell my regional manager it's only a fairy tale.
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no. that was after the white people leave.... hypothetical point and unrelated. also inadmissible to your arguments.
I hope you aren't really a lawyer. That was just silly.
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REALLY?? My company is being sued right now because of this. Tell my regional manager it's only a fairy tale.
Really? Which company? I'd love to help you guys out.
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Fair enough..
Mr Obama,on Fathers Day...made headlines saying that blacks were "disproportionaly deadbeat fathers" compared to other races.Like the colour of one's skin is more likely to make you a "deadbeat Dad"...Completely skirting the overall issues of non-support.
There is a thread on that one.
I ask because when I was a kid.... "playing the race card" meant a minority using his race to gain sympathy.
As I got older it meant members of the majority pointing out how a minority race was unjustly receiving excessive rewards or other entitlements.
Now...a "racist" seems to be anyone that talks about another race...good, bad, or indifferent.
the issue now: the word "racist" or "racism" means too many things to too many people...don't even get me started on reverse racism.
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BS..
That is a fairy tale told by white supremist organizations to scare people. I wouldn't hire anyone who showed up for an interview looking like a fool, even if he were MORE qualified. And no one would be expected to either.
Perhaps Hornet used a someone exaggerated example, but things of this same general nature happen every day. Name a company that specifically has a policy saying "No Blacks." You can't. What you have is someone who gets turned down for a job, has a suspicion that it is because of race. This suspicion may be justified, it may be horse hockey, what matters is having the money to hire a lawyer. So they sue the company. Win or lose, time and money is spent trying prove what a supervisor, interviewer, etc, had in their mind. IOW, the fundamentally unprovable. And this makes sense to you?
The effect of this is that Blacks get treated differently in the work force. Give you one example I have lots of personal experience with. Want to go to work for the Panola County Road and Bridge department? If you are White, you best have a CDL and some heavy operating experience. And you musn't have had a felony conviction. If you are Black...you need to have not commited any felonies. That is all. They have so much trouble getting Black applicants that they will hire virtually any non-criminal, just to keep up an appearance of racial "balance" to avoid hassles. Do you not find this situation profoundly messed up?
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I hope you aren't really a lawyer. That was just silly.
you can't expect to keep leapfrogging the way you do and be taken seriously.
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MT.. of course the US would turn into a ghetto in a short time if all the white people left.. more likely it would be riots and mass slaughter like most african countries.
Are you aware of any all negro countries that are doing well?
lazs
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MT.. of course the US would turn into a ghetto in a short time if all the white people left.. more likely it would be riots and mass slaughter like most african countries.
Are you aware of any all negro countries that are doing well?
lazs
liberia ;)
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No he didn't. The author said that if all of the white people left America it would be a ghetto in 10 months. He was painting with a really broad brush.
Well how long do you think it would take?
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Really? Which company? I'd love to help you guys out.
I can't discuss any of it because it's an ongoing lawsuit, but I can tell you I'm guy #1
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So he acknowledges that thousands would be stranded without help, yet calls them IMMORAL when they are left without help.
Yep Idiotic.
But then with most of you supporting our current President I would guess this guy would be right up your alley.
Thousands were stranded. Mostly elderly, black and white, and a lot of them died because they couldn't make it the shelters of last resort.
that has nothing to do with why Nagin was at a Saint's game on Friday night instead of mobilizing those school buses. That has nothing to do with those that stayed in the city for the soul purpose of looting the city. There were still wind gusts of 50 mph when the looting began..
There was a lot of wicked in New Orleans for Katrina because there was a lot of wicked in New Orleans before Katrina. You can't have 300 murders a year without having a bunch of bad people in a city. Thats the worst of the worst of the crimes - homicide. There are rapes, assaults, robberies, and burglaries. There is a class in New Orleans (I'm sure in all major cities, but I believe more per ca pita in New Orleans) that lay in wait for an opportunity to take advantage of someone. Most of these lurkers never become murderers or part of that 300 murders statistic. But they are very bad people. Given the opportunity, they will take from you and possibly hurt you.
I cant fathom the mental gymnastics you engage in to convince yourself some of those people weren't caught on tape in the aftermath of Katrina. I don't know how anyone can rationalize or excuse the looting after Katrina and soil the names of the innocent by using them in dubious rhetoric, defending the scum.
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What are you talking about? I never excused anyone PERIOD. The author of the article called the people who stayed IMMORAL. He said the evidence was there that they could have left in the 2000 buses underwater. Don't you see a little disconnect there? When were these IMMORAL people supposed to get on those buses?
Dammit people. You are so fast to rush to judgement you can't see what is written right in front of your eyes.
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it also underscores the culpability they the citizens have in all this........as they voted nagin in. and if you are not in agreement with that.......than it additionally underscores the culpability the citizens have in all this by actually voting him in again...after all this happened.
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BS..
That is a fairy tale told by white supremist organizations to scare people. I wouldn't hire anyone who showed up for an interview looking like a fool, even if he were MORE qualified. And no one would be expected to either.
Then why does that kind of stuff happen around here?
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What are you talking about? I never excused anyone PERIOD. The author of the article called the people who stayed IMMORAL. He said the evidence was there that they could have left in the 2000 buses underwater. Don't you see a little disconnect there? When were these IMMORAL people supposed to get on those buses?
Dammit people. You are so fast to rush to judgement you can't see what is written right in front of your eyes.
no. this has been your achilles heel. he called the bulk of the black citizenry of new orleans immoral....both pre and post storm. those comments were not in any way segregated by who stayed or left.
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MT.. of course the US would turn into a ghetto in a short time if all the white people left.. more likely it would be riots and mass slaughter like most african countries.
Are you aware of any all negro countries that are doing well?
lazs
I'll take Angola for $100 Alex.
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no. this has been your achilles heel. he called the bulk of the black citizenry of new orleans immoral....both pre and post storm. those comments were not in any way segregated by who stayed or left.
You are wrong. Go find the article again if you want to settle this one.
Let's play for a second here though. "The bulk of the blacks in NO are immoral?" Holy crap! Anyone who believes this needs to starch up their sheets, they're late for the meeting.
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You are wrong. Go find the article again if you want to settle this one.
Let's play for a second here though. "The bulk of the blacks in NO are immoral?" Holy crap! Anyone who believes this needs to starch up their sheets, they're late for the meeting.
I think the last time I checked, the DOJ stats showed that something like 24% of Black males will be convicted of a felony in their lifetime. Of course, that is not a majority, and whether ALL felonies are immoral or not is a matter of opinion. ;)
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Did you see a female cop threaten anyone with a gun?
she was too busy looting. After the reporter confronted her, she let the other cop take the loot i a cart and started to "look for the looters".
"What will you do when you see one?" asked the reporter, to which she had no answer of course.
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So, the fact that the cop not only did not guard the store but she was looting herself is not bad enough, huh?
It's only if she protected her stolen loot with a gun that would be over the line, huh?
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I'll take Angola for $100 Alex.
This gets one huge "rolls eyes". A country during the truce from an insurgency where illiteracy is rampant, average lifespan is low and AIDs is high. The society is generations behind the majority of civilized nations.
Yeah, it's a regular Gary Indiana without the Casinos.
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So, the fact that the cop not only did not guard the store but she was looting herself is not bad enough, huh?
It's only if she protected her stolen loot with a gun that would be over the line, huh?
I was responding to someone who said a female cop threatened someone with a gun while looting. That didn't happen... did it?
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This gets one huge "rolls eyes". A country during the truce from an insurgency where illiteracy is rampant, average lifespan is low and AIDs is high. The society is generations behind the majority of civilized nations.
Yeah, it's a regular Gary Indiana without the Casinos.
Maybe you should read more.. I'd rather be in Angola, I've been in Gary.
Angola's economy has undergone a period of transformation in recent years, moving from the disarray caused by a quarter century of war to being the second fastest growing economy in Africa and one of the fastest in the world. In 2004, China's Eximbank approved a $2 billion line of credit to Angola. The loan is being used to rebuild Angola's infrastructure, and has also limited the influence of the International Monetary Fund in the country.[11]
Growth is almost entirely driven by rising oil production which surpassed 1.4 million barrels (220,000 m³) per day in late-2005 and which is expected to grow to 2 million barrels (320,000 m³) per day by 2007. Control of the oil industry is consolidated in Sonangol Group, a conglomerate which is owned by the Angolan government. In December 2006, Angola was admitted as a member of OPEC.[12] The economy grew 18% in 2005, 26% in 2006 and 17.6% in 2007 and it's expected to stay above 10% for the rest of the decade. The security brought about by the 2002 peace settlement has led to the resettlement of 4 million displaced persons, thus resulting in large-scale increases in agriculture production.
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I was responding to someone who said a female cop threatened someone with a gun while looting. That didn't happen... did it?
That I do not know, but your video does not prove that it DID NOT happen. Nothing can prove the negative.
The video simply show a store being looted by black people. The cops not only did not react in any way but they were caught red handed looting as well.
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angola was one of the worst crapholes on the planet until just recently.. the people there slaughtered each other at the drop of a hat.. a few years of oil money do not a great nation make... they same people who were slaughtering and enslaving each other a few years back are still there and I have no reason to believe that they will not go feral again in the future with little or no reason.
This is angola....
https://www.osac.gov/Reports/report.cfm?contentID=63131
it is pretty much like every black country still in most areas.
lazs
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angola was one of the worst crapholes on the planet until just recently.. the people there slaughtered each other at the drop of a hat.. a few years of oil money do not a great nation make... they same people who were slaughtering and enslaving each other a few years back are still there and I have no reason to believe that they will not go feral again in the future with little or no reason.
This is angola....
https://www.osac.gov/Reports/report.cfm?contentID=63131
it is pretty much like every black country still in most areas.
lazs
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
*cough*RACIST*cough*Bullsh** *cough*
Anyway, whoever it was that this thread was posted about, as long as they'd take votes away from McCain, then I say he should run. GO BARACK OBAMA!!! :salute
Also, people on these forums seem to be labouring under the delusion that people on here are a fair representation of society overall...
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Yossarian
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Also, people on these forums seem to be labouring under the delusion that people on here are a fair representation of society overall...
Have to agree there. I'd say that IQ's (regardless of position on any issue) are a good 20 pts higher in here. Sorry, but the "real" world is an ignorant, frustrating place.
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I work for a very large beverage producing company. It seems a few years back Coca Cola got sued for discrimination and my company took notice. It is probably the most politically correct organization I have ever seen. When a black quits they hire a black, They have quite a few Hisapanics and other races as well. And this is in Indiana. The other day some little east asian woman came over to me and asked if it was okay to pray by the window. I didn't know what to say so I told her yes. She rattled a few beads and then was gone. I think the only reason I am there is because I am.....well.... older. They seem to hire the very young mostly. Usually in the early 20s.
The other day 2 of the younger ones took a very long lunch. The boss said "Cancel the Amber Alert we found them". :rofl :rofl