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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: SkyRock on August 12, 2008, 01:07:13 PM
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stik stirring doesn't work. :rofl
Why not learn a reversal and grow some...........fight! :aok
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^_^ to all F4U pilot, dont cry about 190s taking the fight on the vert to counter their weakness on the horizontal.
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Ouch.
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:O
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This will be fun.
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There will be blood.
:aok
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stik stirring doesn't work. :rofl
Why not learn a reversal and grow some...........fight! :aok
This can be said about the Spit16 aswell. :lol
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^_^ to all F4U pilot, dont cry about 190s taking the fight on the vert to counter their weakness on the horizontal.
YES
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This can be said about the Spit16 aswell. :lol
Except a good pilot w/ a spit 16 usually roll a good pilot in an F4U=)
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Except a good pilot w/ a spit 16 usually roll a good pilot in an F4U=)
Good spit16 pilot? oxymoron?
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Good spit16 pilot? oxymoron?
I mean spit-16 is easy mode, which is why most pilot don't fly them. Mainly because of its stigma. Let just say a good pilot happen to fly a spit-16 going vs an F4U. I'm confident to say that spit-16 > F4U, just as I would say F4U > 190 in the horizontal fights.
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^_^ to all F4U pilot, dont cry about 190s taking the fight on the vert to counter their weakness on the horizontal.
As long as you're pressing the attack, I don't see why they would...
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As long as you're pressing the attack, I don't see why they would...
I dunno! Maybe the 190 have to run not because of the F4U dropping on his 6, but because of the 5 of the F4U's friendles are also engaging? :frown:
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Good spit16 pilot? oxymoron?
Who you calling an ox?
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bite me :furious
not all 190 pilots do that.
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Here is a short film of my A5 taking on F4Us and spits using the vert. It's just another style of fighting, except it's strictly not using the horizontal. Is it wrong? no it's not just flying my plane to its advantage. Do I care what people think me for using my plane to its advantage? not really since it's a game. As long as I'm having fun, then it's worth my 15$ =)
http://files.filefront.com/film131+14500ahf/;11408683;/fileinfo.html
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I've fought ya before, Yenny... I'll vouch that you get aggressive in the DA. Yeah, you do use your plane's advantage, but... More importantly... You don't use that advantage to the point where it actually becomes a disadvantage. No complaints here (at you, I'm still ticked at MY aim :D )
That being said, I dunno what your goals are in this game. If it's to just have fun, well, like you said, mission accomplished :)
But if it is to gain some notoriety as a great 190 stick... Well, a 190 who beats me (or even tries to) in the "horizontal" (a misleading, and largely innaccurate term, really) will always impress me more than a guy who avoids it like the plague.
I wonder if Urchin still has his "Luxury of Speed" film... At the end there's a good example of what a 190 can do to a F4U-4 in a knife fight on the deck... If the 190 pilot's put in the time to learn how to do it.
:salute and looking forward to more fun DA runs with you.
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The option the 190 have in a horizontal fight is so limited. I get frustrated after a while, when I tried to tnb 190 at TT. You can only do so much vs. a good pilot in any tnb plane before you become a sitting duck. I mean I do win going vs novice spit pilots. If I go up vs a good pilot, there's not much I can pick up from suiciding my 190. Any method or manuever I pull will be outmatch otd by a turner if he knows what he's doing. Hence the frustration =). I am willing to take note on that subject if any good 190 stick willing to show. But I don't see any willingly. <-- still waiting for skyrock to show me how to outturn or outmanuever an La-7 in a 190.
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Dont even try Vudak, this cat is yellow. From my MA experiences with him, he is either gangtarding right off the runway, cherrying above a furball, or running......period! :aok
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Dont even try Vudak, this cat is yellow. From my MA experiences with him, he is either gangtarding right off the runway, cherrying above a furball, or running......period! :aok
:lol you amuse me
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The option the 190 have in a horizontal fight is so limited. I get frustrated after a while, when I tried to tnb 190 at TT. You can only do so much vs. a good pilot in any tnb plane before you become a sitting duck. I mean I do win going vs novice spit pilots. If I go up vs a good pilot, there's not much I can pick up from suiciding my 190. Any method or manuever I pull will be outmatch otd by a turner if he knows what he's doing. Hence the frustration =). I am willing to take note on that subject if any good 190 stick willing to show. But I don't see any willingly. <-- still waiting for skyrock to show me how to outturn or outmanuever an La-7 in a 190.
Waiting? :rofl I think you're are too timid in the head to ever learn what many already know about the 190. Or your very arrogant about "knowing" what a 190 can and can't do.
If you don't hang em out every now and then, how do you know you have them, unless ur just playing with them at home? :aok
PS there should be no difference in the "way" you "fight", in the DA or the MA......that is if you're "fighting" in both.
Mark
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Waiting? :rofl I think you're are too timid in the head to ever learn what many already know about the 190. Or your very arrogant about "knowing" what a 190 can and can't do.
If you don't hang em out every now and then, how do you know you have them, unless ur just playing with them at home? :aok
PS there should be no difference in the "way" you "fight", in the DA or the MA......that is if you're "fighting" in both.
Mark
Nah I test my 190 to see what I can do with it. I'm at a brick wall now on learning it, unless people willing to show me something that I am lacking knowledge of. Such as outturn an la7 in a 190.
Yes there is difference in the way I am fightin in MA or DA. If I'm supressing an air field for my squad to take, I'm not going to burn my E to get into a low alt tnb, since my task to my squad would be air superiority over the area =).
In DA I don't have the responsiblity to my squaddies so I can freely engage and do whatever I want. I guess this is where we are different. I enjoy flying only for one country, and work together with my squad. I do spend a lot of time furballing but if my squad got a mission going, I'd drop furballing in a heartbeat to join the mission. That's just how I enjoy my game play though.
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190s going vert almost always die that I see.
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I miss my 190...for now.
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^_^ I love my 190s for the reason that it have been my fav bird since AW days. It has so many limitation, but I still prefer it over other planes. It's just hard to give up something that I've been in love with since I was 10 years old!
190 is sure a frustrating bird to fly at times though. I can't count how time I'm fightin in a 190 knowing I'd have the other guy dead within a few manuever if I was in an F4U or a 38.
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I wonder this manuever is possible in AH2. It looks pretty cool in IL2, but it seems pretty hard to be in control of it in AH2. I know in AW, I was using a control spin in 190 to get out of a hairy situation. I would enter the spin on purpose as my oponent got his piper on me, jinking it out of his fire, and then come on of the spin on his 6.
Offensive snaproll:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bDGhKZbSEo
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I miss my 190...for now.
It will be here. :aok Salute bro!
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I wonder this manuever is possible in AH2.
Not only it is possible, in fact, snap roll is used a lot in AH.
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These two manuevers seems pretty awesome too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdCm5z2RpI8&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlfOWZHEGNk&feature=related
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But if it is to gain some notoriety as a great 190 stick... Well, a 190 who beats me (or even tries to) in the "horizontal" (a misleading, and largely innaccurate term, really) will always impress me more than a guy who avoids it like the plague.
A 190 pilot who regularly kills ANYTHING but other 190s or buffs in fair or semi-fair single combat already deserves notoriety.
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A 190 pilot who regularly kills ANYTHING but other 190s or buffs in fair or semi-fair single combat already deserves notoriety.
I could care less about the kill count, even if it's "0"... It's how they try to get them. I've run into several 190 sticks over the years that have "wowed!" me, but it wasn't because of a system message.
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I could care less about the kill count, even if it's "0"... It's how they try to get them. I've run into several 190 sticks over the years that have "wowed!" me, but it wasn't because of a system message.
Note the phrase "single combat".
And results count. If a guy goes into a low and slow turn fight with a D9 vs. a Spit16 and WINS, he's Sierra Hotel, sure. If he gets his tail shot off though, all it proves is that he should have stuffed his hubris and extended.
<S>
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A 190 pilot who regularly kills ANYTHING but other 190s or buffs in fair or semi-fair single combat already deserves notoriety.
Why do you all focus so much on 1vs1? :confused: 190s are meant to be flown in pairs so that they can pick more effectively. :aok
And results count. If a guy goes into a low and slow turn fight with a D9 vs. a Spit16 and WINS, he's Sierra Hotel, sure.
No, all it proves is that the 16 pilot was tumbleweed. :D
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Why do you all focus so much on 1vs1? :confused: 190s are meant to be flown in pairs so that they can pick more effectively. :aok
No, all it proves is that the 16 pilot was tumbleweed. :D
Maybe because I'm a total misanthrope? But you're right. Thing is, IMO team fighting introduces so many strategic variables that it really does become more about the pilots than the plane. Also, so many variables that it overwhelms my organic CPU, so I prefer to think about 1v1 tactics. ;)
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back to the topic, 190 pilots that stik stir when I'm going the same speed as them and on their 6 are funny to kill. :aok
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:lol
Zoozoo owns -----> Skyrock
:D
Nice effects zoozoo. Found your cat yet?
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Anywho, DA setting F4U-D v. 190A5 5k merge, same E, who would win?
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Note the phrase "single combat".
And results count. If a guy goes into a low and slow turn fight with a D9 vs. a Spit16 and WINS, he's Sierra Hotel, sure. If he gets his tail shot off though, all it proves is that he should have stuffed his hubris and extended.
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Just out of curiousity... How exactly do you think the guy who won a low slow turn fight in a D9 vs. a Spit16 learned how to do it?
Results don't mean jack in here.
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Anywho, DA setting F4U-D v. 190A5 5k merge, same E, who would win?
If he has a clue, the F4U.
Hey that rhymes.
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:aok (as far as im concerned, 190 is worst plane in game lol)
-BigBOBCH
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Just out of curiousity... How exactly do you think the guy who won a low slow turn fight in a D9 vs. a Spit16 learned how to do it?
Results don't mean jack in here.
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Vudak, Yenney, Mark.....
Please finish the technical aspect of this conversation. How does the A5 or D9 defeat a spit16 or F4U on the deck co-E? Vudak is correct in my case, i can pick and cherry all night long in a D9, and against average spit or F4 drivers make them over shoot in the first 2 moves on the deck. I've seen Mark make E-fighters act like Zero's in the DA for the single move it took to win.
So gents, please finish this conversation, you have my attention at least.... :salute
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:aok (as far as im concerned, 190 is worst plane in game lol)
-BigBOBCH
Think so? Once you realize the Dora handles like a Corvette with bald front tires, there's no limit to the things you can't do in it. :D
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:lol
Zoozoo owns -----> Skyrock
:D
Nice effects zoozoo. Found your cat yet?
Neg furball, still no sign of him but i am still looking and keeping the windows open to hear him if he is at the door, thanks for asking m8
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Vudak, Yenney, Mark.....
Please finish the technical aspect of this conversation. How does the A5 or D9 defeat a spit16 or F4U on the deck co-E? Vudak is correct in my case, i can pick and cherry all night long in a D9, and against average spit or F4 drivers make them over shoot in the first 2 moves on the deck. I've seen Mark make E-fighters act like Zero's in the DA for the single move it took to win.
So gents, please finish this conversation, you have my attention at least.... :salute
Bustr, it comes down to pilot knowing "what" to do, and "when"......."when" being the golden penny! I've fought dora's on the deck in MA and as long as I play the first move or two right, I will ensure that I get at least a shot on them. Then, when/if it gets down and dirty(not a good place to be in dora gainst spit), its all feel, really. You know how a dora is going to act, and you make a "move" that a spit can't pull guns on, right when the poor fella is squeezing the trigger......the whole time, said, "move" puts u in position to kill him. So, what you have to do, is bait the spit into an attack position that the 190 can counter and pull guns, it's that easy.
hint: if you know what the plane can actually do, and are able to have it be your beotch, then u always have a chance against another plane of any type. :aok
:noid
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190s going vert almost always die that I see.
Yep. I love it when a 190 driver takes the fight into the vertical against me, I get show them what a true vertical fighter is.
ack-ack
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Finaly, a post I can sink my teeth into.
Im a D9 driver by trade. This means I stab guys in the back when they arent looking, and when im not doing that im running from them.
Heres a move, (but its not the only one) la7's, spit's,zero's,yak's, and niky's dont have great elevator authority above 300ias, so when low on the deck and running, pull up slightly in a climb and let the guy start setting up his gun solution....now its up to your knowledge of the plane, but turning over and split s'ing with just enough alt to pull out just above the ground is a good last-ditch tactic as alot of guys simply fly into the ground....now it doesnt work all the time, and even if it does you need to pull throttle to makes sure you can make it....the idea is to make
the nme either break off or over estimate his turning radius, resulting in his being thrown into the tower, and a proxy kill for you.
Of course the best course of action is to never have let somone get on your six in the first place.
As for stick stiring, dude ill do whatever I want to make you overshoot/miss...I pay the bill, ill fly however I like. TOODLES :aok
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Finaly, a post I can sink my teeth into.
Im a D9 driver by trade. This means I stab guys in the back when they arent looking, and when im not doing that im running from them.
Heres a move, (but its not the only one) la7's, spit's,zero's,yak's, and niky's dont have great elevator authority above 300ias, so when low on the deck and running, pull up slightly in a climb and let the guy start setting up his gun solution....now its up to your knowledge of the plane, but turning over and split s'ing with just enough alt to pull out just above the ground is a good last-ditch tactic as alot of guys simply fly into the ground....now it doesnt work all the time, and even if it does you need to pull throttle to makes sure you can make it....the idea is to make
the nme either break off or over estimate his turning radius, resulting in his being thrown into the tower, and a proxy kill for you.
Of course the best course of action is to never have let somone get on your six in the first place.
As for stick stiring, dude ill do whatever I want to make you overshoot/miss...I pay the bill, ill fly however I like. TOODLES :aok
wth r you talkin about! i'm so confused.
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Heres a move, (but its not the only one) la7's, spit's,zero's,yak's, and niky's dont have great elevator authority above 300ias, so when low on the deck and running, pull up slightly in a climb and let the guy start setting up his gun solution....now its up to your knowledge of the plane, but turning over and split s'ing with just enough alt to pull out just above the ground is a good last-ditch tactic as alot of guys simply fly into the ground....now it doesnt work all the time, and even if it does you need to pull throttle to makes sure you can make it....the idea is to make
the nme either break off or over estimate his turning radius, resulting in his being thrown into the tower, and a proxy kill for you.
Which probably explains why you're not very good in fighters. If you were to try that Split-Arse escape on me or any other experienced pilot, all I have to do is go into a High Yo-Yo and come down on you as you pull out of your Split-Arse on the deck. I'll have a great angle for the kill shot and if I miss my shot, I have the energy to run you down and you don't have the energy to escape.
ack-ack
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Yenny used to fly F4u's with the wingtank on for an added challenge.
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190A5 > F4U-D on the vert, but get pwns in horizontal.
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^_^ always fight w/ tanks on til they are empty.
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Just out of curiousity... How exactly do you think the guy who won a low slow turn fight in a D9 vs. a Spit16 learned how to do it?
Results don't mean jack in here.
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Hopefully the same way I learned to "press the envelope" and get a kill in such an insane mismatch, if it comes down to it. (SOMETIMES, given a bad enough mistake.) By going into the TA/DA and exploring. Not by giving the goobers in the MA kills when it could be prevented. That's like going into a biker bar and picking fights to learn martial arts IMHO.
But then again, the only part of the MA I enjoy is "You shot down _____". Not that I see it enough. YMMV.
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^_^ always fight w/ tanks on til they are empty.
It was still on you when you splashed a couple of secs later... dunno if it was empty. :)
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^_^ always fight w/ tanks on til they are empty.
Oil drinker
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190A5 > F4U-D on the vert, but get pwns in horizontal.
there is no 190 pilot that can beat a hog in the vert, unless he starts out with "Yenny" alt! :aok
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I dunno, I usually can take most none perk F4Us in A5. Given both merge at same alt and E.
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bite me :furious
not all 190 pilots do that.
"Guilty as charged!" You stick stirring, pot stirring, butter churning fool!
Sup Dave :salute
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there is no 190 pilot that can beat a hog in the vert, unless he starts out with "Yenny" alt! :aok
Well Skyrock, I have yet to beat Yenny's A5 while in my 1A when he is fighting to his strengths. I could give a couple of excuses, but the bottom line is I just haven't pulled it off yet. Yenny really has my number.
'Course, when I got smart one time against his D9, I was able to beat that in a vertical fight... First fight I've had in the DA where I won about 7k above where I merged :) I guess if it can hang with one of those it'll hang with the A5... Though avoiding some of the 190s shots will get trickier against the more nimble variant...
I think the lesson learned here is that I'd better schedule some more time with the trainers to go over E-Fighting, because I completely suck at it :D
Anyway, Yenny, good times once again. I'm looking forward to meeting up with you again soon :)
:salute
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I dont have the skill to fly it correctly so I run and stick stur like a 2 weeker and call myself a d9 pilot by trade.
sorry if this is harsh just the truth.
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Well Skyrock, I have yet to beat Yenny's A5 while in my 1A when he is fighting to his strengths. I could give a couple of excuses, but the bottom line is I just haven't pulled it off yet. Yenny really has my number.
'Course, when I got smart one time against his D9, I was able to beat that in a vertical fight... First fight I've had in the DA where I won about 7k above where I merged :) I guess if it can hang with one of those it'll hang with the A5... Though avoiding some of the 190s shots will get trickier against the more nimble variant...
I think the lesson learned here is that I'd better schedule some more time with the trainers to go over E-Fighting, because I completely suck at it :D
Anyway, Yenny, good times once again. I'm looking forward to meeting up with you again soon :)
:salute
:salute bud good stuff, good practice. I learn how to control my rolls and throttle management a bit better fighting against ya. In return ya learn that vert is not your game yet =)
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:salute bud good stuff, good practice. I learn how to control my rolls and throttle management a bit better fighting against ya. In return ya learn that vert is not your game yet =)
SkyRock<-------owns Yenny, any ride anytime! Take that to the bank! :aok
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:salute bud good stuff, good practice. I learn how to control my rolls and throttle management a bit better fighting against ya. In return ya learn that vert is not your game yet =)
Nope, not yet :)
But I am the stubborn idiot that turnfights with SpitV's and Zekes no matter what I'm in :D I'll get the hang of your style :aok
And when I do, you're gonna have to get the hang of turning that thing :)
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P38 pilot will stay out of this.
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Is snap roll frowned upon? It's Fw 190's specialy.
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I've been flying the a8 very frequently lately. Often in to outnumbered odds. Though I haven't dueled with it yet, I have done 1vs1's under similar conditions. It really comes down to knowing where you need to put your guns and being one step ahead of the baddy, even if you start out with the disadvantage. I'm finding it to be fun and a lot more challenging than wasting anything that moves with the k4.
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190d is one of the best planes in the game and one of the easiest to force an overshoot and if the fights down to a stall you still have better roll and at least as much and usually more power as whatever your fighting doesnt matter how good your plane turns if you dont have enough airspeed to make it turn.
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Being a dedicated FW pilot I wouldn't give much value to advices of a dedicated F4U/Spit16/LALA driver... :rolleyes:
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:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
Edit: 190s do aggervate me the most.... Them and Spit 16s. :rolleyes:
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:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
Edit: 190s do aggervate me the most.... Them and Spit 16s. :rolleyes:
Neither plane should be feared in the P-38, especially the D9.
ack-ack
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Waiting? :rofl I think you're are too timid in the head to ever learn what many already know about the 190. Or your very arrogant about "knowing" what a 190 can and can't do.
If you don't hang em out every now and then, how do you know you have them, unless ur just playing with them at home? :aok
PS there should be no difference in the "way" you "fight", in the DA or the MA......that is if you're "fighting" in both.
Mark
That's interesting, I'll put my A5 up against your easy mode F4,.... anytime. :)
And BTW, depending on the AC on your 6, jinking and rolling DOES work in a A5 as long as you aren't forced to do it much longer then 15-20 seconds, I've gone a minute or 3. As someone else said, it depends on how many are on your 6.
I've been known to drag up to 6-7 AC on the deck and a good long while before one of them finally gets me, it's inevitable, it also keeps them on deck and distracted from whats coming. And turn fight them on the deck too and win, once in a while.
Like everything else Sky, every model is different, it's knowing what model to use to suit your intentions. A8 is pretty much made for one thing, a A5 will dance all over a A8 with slightly less ammo power. To lump them all into one category tells me you don't know the 190s well. I've killed plenty of F4s in a A5. In fact I go into game face when is see one hoping it's ur mug flying it <G> I'm gonna get that kill, and you know it :) But it won;t be soon since I actually enter furballs and usually found with no less then 4 on my 6.
F4 is a great plane and goes up fairly evenly against almost anything, that's why you fly it and that's why you carry the rank you do. If all I did was fly the F4 well, our score comparison would be vastly different, then my SOP 51D, 38L or A5. IMO, kills are almost too easy in a F4. A F4 going up against any 190 is a bad match to begin with. Because of the plane itself the F4 will usually come out on top. So why even compare the two in the first place? or were you just int he mood to hear yourself talk smack?
Jinking works you just don't make the same move twice in a row, change it up and make him blow his cannons out. Then turn on him.
In a A8 if I have to make more then 1.5 circles I'm breaking, screw the vacuum. If you get me slow enough to pull flaps down then you're in a bit of trouble as along as I complete the kill before the second circle. A 190 will turn, it just ain't going to be fast coming out of it. It's usually the next guy entering the fight who's going to kill you. And that would probably be you. :)
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Being a dedicated FW pilot I wouldn't give much value to advices of a dedicated F4U/Spit16/LALA driver... :rolleyes:
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And thar you go.
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Neither plane should be feared in the P-38, especially the D9.
ack-ack
Yea, I'm still workin the 38 though. Last night, I think I got about 10-12 kills in it, not too sure actually though, but I did land quite a few of em. Earlier today, I got into a HO'ing contest with a 190D9 too :lol And suprisingly, I won. :lol
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there is no 190 pilot that can beat a hog in the vert, unless he starts out with "Yenny" alt! :aok
You're comparing a two completely different style planes to each other. Why is it funny that a F4 can usually beat a 190? It's common logic. If someone is stick stirring and doing othing different, it means they have something to learn, and are probably doing so at that moment,...not that you know it all.
You tend to have this delusional concept that everyone enters the game with the same experience as someone who's been here for years, then laugh about it as if you were just born to be a great pilot and you're well ahead of the rest, an "over-achiever".
You're comparing experience to inexperience and a F4 to a 190....and experienced pilot in a F4 is going to stomp the crap out of a inexperienced pilot in a 190 in most cases. What's so special about that?
There's no real magic here Sky. Nothing amazing.
IMO 50% of the rank you carry is because of the plane you fly. When you can carry a huge score in a 190 let me know, that's interesting. I expect someone in a F4 to carry a huge score and ego. <shrug>
You won't even fight me, when I ask where you are you won't tell me, you won't meet me, and then you usually log off soon after I enter the arena. Sooner or later I'm going to make you put your money where your mouth is. :) But I'll put my A5 up against your F4 any time, pull me vertical, if I bite you have 50/50 chance. But I wouldn't think that NO 190 pilot can beat you at it. I clubbed a F4 doing it last week.
One, I would not enter it unless i know I've got enough e to take it all the way, I've got a hot rod to beat to the top before he ropes me and shoots me in the face, I know that, I will take it when I'm ready on my terms, not yours. :) So ya, if it's 100% your terms you may be right. Who says I'm going to follow you up when I and you know you have the advantage?
Wouldn't you just crap if the first kill I got on your was a vertial? <GGGG>
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Being a dedicated FW pilot I wouldn't give much value to advices of a dedicated F4U/Spit16/LALA driver... :rolleyes:
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werd. :aok
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blah blah blah.........my plane made me timid! :rofl
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^_^ not everyone enjoy the EZ mode F4Us.
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blah blah blah.........my plane made me timid! :rofl
Just wish the F4U-1 had some more darker skins :( I like it, just too damn ugly with those lighter skins :cry
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Nope, not yet :)
But I am the stubborn idiot that turnfights with SpitV's and Zekes no matter what I'm in :D I'll get the hang of your style :aok
And when I do, you're gonna have to get the hang of turning that thing :)
F4Us got the ability to be able to hang with SpitV and Zekes for a bit if the pilot knows what's going on though. I've heard that the 1A at a certain speed w/ 2 knots flaps down can maintain a turn radius with zeke? True? confirm anyone?
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^_^ to all F4U pilot, dont cry about 190s taking the fight on the vert to counter their weakness on the horizontal.
Fiting D9's like watching grass grow....had one dive on my D25 EIGHT times last night...each time, made him miss, he went back up...dove in again. I'm barely above average as a fiter jock, but even I found that pathetic
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F4Us got the ability to be able to hang with SpitV and Zekes for a bit if the pilot knows what's going on though. I've heard that the 1A at a certain speed w/ 2 knots flaps down can maintain a turn radius with zeke? True? confirm anyone?
An F4U will not do well in a slow turn fight on the deck against either a SpitV or Zeke that knows what they're doing. Dedalos has hammered that lesson into my head several hundred times :)
^_^ not everyone enjoy the EZ mode F4Us.
No offense, Yenny, but I really wouldn't throw out the "easy mode" tag on anyone out there. From what I've seen you don't push yourself to learn new things yet. You're still at the stage where you're taking one very simple tactic, and doing it over and over again. Now that's great for me, as I basically have a gauranteed target drone to learn how to counter it, but not so great for you, as you obviously already know how to do it, and would be better off spending your time trying to learn other things that you are not good at. 'Course, that would require dying over and over again... And over again :)
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You tend to have this delusional concept that everyone enters the game with the same experience as someone who's been here for years, then laugh about it as if you were just born to be a great pilot and you're well ahead of the rest, an "over-achiever".
Take two 10-year-old kids that have never played hockey before. Let them sign up for whatever league they want.
One kid signs up for the 10&under team and is surrounded by people he can do ok against.
The other signs up for the 12&under team and is pushed around and struggles day after day.
Assuming they both started with the same experience, and natural ability, which kid do you suppose is going to get better quicker?
Guys like Skyrock might rub you the wrong way... But I've never seen them knock a guy for trying.
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It's tough to make friends when ya drive a 190.....LOL.... I take cheap shots, I ho, I boom n zoom, I run...I won't turn fight in it, lessee, ahhh i'll take a shot from 1000 and zap ya, aren't ya glad I take my niki alot more.?(i'm just being a ******e) Who expects a 190 to fight fair, raise your hand?
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Fiting D9's like watching grass grow....had one dive on my D25 EIGHT times last night...each time, made him miss, he went back up...dove in again. I'm barely above average as a fiter jock, but even I found that pathetic
You're lucky that's a novice 190 pilot, a good one usually won't take more then 2 passes to take something down.
An F4U will not do well in a slow turn fight on the deck against either a SpitV or Zeke that knows what they're doing. Dedalos has hammered that lesson into my head several hundred times :)
No offense, Yenny, but I really wouldn't throw out the "easy mode" tag on anyone out there. From what I've seen you don't push yourself to learn new things yet. You're still at the stage where you're taking one very simple tactic, and doing it over and over again. Now that's great for me, as I basically have a gauranteed target drone to learn how to counter it, but not so great for you, as you obviously already know how to do it, and would be better off spending your time trying to learn other things that you are not good at. 'Course, that would require dying over and over again... And over again :)
But the F4U you "have" the option of turnfighting. Many times when I fly F4U if I get a spit on me, I'll drag it away from the furball and tnb with it and usually win. In 190, you just don't have that option. F4U you can bnz like a 190, and the ability to tnb almost like a spit. To me it's easy mode, that's why I don't fly it. When we reverse roll, I fly the F4U-D and you flew the A5, tell me what option you have tnbin it Vudak. I was on your tail pinging you the entire 5 min since we engage. No matter how good a pilot is, he can only perform to his plane max limitation and he'll hit a brick wall.
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pull me vertical, if I bite you have 50/50 chance.
:lol
What's your in game name? I want to see your 190.
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You're lucky that's a novice 190 pilot, a good one usually won't take more then 2 passes to take something down.
You are a loudmouth newb who milks the MA for cherries and blames it on your choice of ride. Face it, you don't know balls about the 190.
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You are a loudmouth newb who milks the MA for cherries and blames it on your choice of ride. Face it, you don't know balls about the 190.
Obviously I don't, because I can't outturn an La-7 in a 190 like you claim you can.
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That would make me feal awful if someone outturned me in a 190 when i was in a LA7 :huh
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Obviously I don't
There, you're finally getting it.
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That would make me feal awful if someone outturned me in a 190 when i was in a LA7 :huh
If you are in a La7, you should already feel awful. :D
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There, you're finally getting it.
<--- still waiting for your 190 lesson. I'd like to learn how to outturn an la7 in a 190. That'll be like a 190 w/ the turn capability of a F4U. Omg how do you do it ???
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I've ran into Animal in the MA before,great stick,was a good fight.
Best I've dueled yet was "MAZZ" we went 50/50,a couple of kills apiece and a couple of collisions.
As for Skyrock,he got plastered in a fight then called me out for killing him"I'll beat you any plane ,anywhere,blah blah blah"I.Of course as soon as I said sure lets goto the DA and you can teach me <cause I'm really wanting to learn to fly the 109's>.He wouldnt oblige,just kept yakking and pm'ing about his greatness.He's a decent stick at best and will never achieve anything more than that in this game,of course this is meerly an internet personna,I'm sure in real life he's a kind person<not sure if he's a male or female?>
My point is this,it's your 15$ dollars amonth.play/fly/cherry/anyway you like,people will always gripe cause thats the way people are.People fly the furball arena ,then complain cause they got cherried,but if they hadnt of gotten cherried themselves they were gonna dive on some poor soul in the arena and cherry them,so theyre just po'd cause they got cherried before they got to cherry.
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I've ran into Animal in the MA before,great stick,was a good fight.
Best I've dueled yet was "MAZZ" we went 50/50,a couple of kills apiece and a couple of collisions.
As for Skyrock,he got plastered in a fight then called me out for killing him"I'll beat you any plane ,anywhere,blah blah blah"I.Of course as soon as I said sure lets goto the DA and you can teach me <cause I'm really wanting to learn to fly the 109's>.He wouldnt oblige,just kept yakking and pm'ing about his greatness.He's a decent stick at best and will never achieve anything more than that in this game,of course this is meerly an internet personna,I'm sure in real life he's a kind person<not sure if he's a male or female?>
My point is this,it's your 15$ dollars amonth.play/fly/cherry/anyway you like,people will always gripe cause thats the way people are.People fly the furball arena ,then complain cause they got cherried,but if they hadnt of gotten cherried themselves they were gonna dive on some poor soul in the arena and cherry them,so theyre just po'd cause they got cherried before they got to cherry.
Yea same, I asked him to go to the DA to help me learn how to fight before. But he said he doesn't help the kind like me or something along that line. Oh well ^_^
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6 cherries in 1 paragraph...I'm INpressed!
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I felt bad for cherrying tinlizzy twice the other day he was busting some serious moves in the 109k4.
I guess he has played before.
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I felt bad for cherrying tinlizzy twice the other day he was busting some serious moves in the 109k4.
I guess he has played before.
That'd be correct Bruv.
Gettn picked is part of the game.
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When we reverse roll, I fly the F4U-D and you flew the A5, tell me what option you have tnbin it Vudak. I was on your tail pinging you the entire 5 min since we engage. No matter how good a pilot is, he can only perform to his plane max limitation and he'll hit a brick wall.
The 190s are not my main ride... I don't practice in them every day. In them, I am at the stage where you would be if you started to try turnfighting.
But the thing is, Yenny, you do not have the slightest idea what the 190 can do yet. You think you do - but you don't. You say, "trust me, I know the 190," but from the way I've seen you fly it, I can tell you 100% accurately that you don't. You claim that Moot and you are about equal, but I can tell you, again 100% accurately, that you aren't.
You have no idea what that plane's max limitation is because you do not try to push it there and try to push past it. To learn that kind of thing takes effort and failing over and over again. It takes swallowing your pride and getting the snot beat out of you over and over again.
You cannot learn what a plane is fully capable of, by only doing what you have already found it is capable of.
You cannot learn what you are fully capable of, by only doing what you are already comfortable of doing.
It's an attitude thing, Yenny, more than anything else. You speak too much in technical absolutes... "Can't do this in the horizontal," "With two flaps deployed," etc., etc. You can't take such things as law. An infinite amount of variables goes into things. Guys with pluck figure out how to set up those variables, guys that speak in absolutes and avoid "what won't ever work," generally don't.
You think Creton got great in the K4 by only flying to its strengths? Think again... He got great because he learned how to fly it as well as possible in ways he shouldn't.
And if you're going to insist on speaking in absolutes, at least realize that "outturn" doesn't necessarily imply a flat turn...
This is all friendly advice... Disregard it if you want... But believe me, it would be wise to start exploring your aircraft more if you want to continue flying in the DA with some success... You are currently extremely predictable, which is the last thing you want to be in there.
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<--- will always be a 190 flyer, even though there are tons better alternative out there. However, gotta stick with the one you love :)
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<--- will always be a 190 flyer, even though there are tons better alternative out there. However, gotta stick with the one you love :)
Yep, I'm getting into the P-38, but my sweet little ride is still the P-39.
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The 190s are not my main ride... I don't practice in them every day. In them, I am at the stage where you would be if you started to try turnfighting.
But the thing is, Yenny, you do not have the slightest idea what the 190 can do yet. You think you do - but you don't. You say, "trust me, I know the 190," but from the way I've seen you fly it, I can tell you 100% accurately that you don't. You claim that Moot and you are about equal, but I can tell you, again 100% accurately, that you aren't.
You have no idea what that plane's max limitation is because you do not try to push it there and try to push past it. To learn that kind of thing takes effort and failing over and over again. It takes swallowing your pride and getting the snot beat out of you over and over again.
You cannot learn what a plane is fully capable of, by only doing what you have already found it is capable of.
You cannot learn what you are fully capable of, by only doing what you are already comfortable of doing.
It's an attitude thing, Yenny, more than anything else. You speak too much in technical absolutes... "Can't do this in the horizontal," "With two flaps deployed," etc., etc. You can't take such things as law. An infinite amount of variables goes into things. Guys with pluck figure out how to set up those variables, guys that speak in absolutes and avoid "what won't ever work," generally don't.
You think Creton got great in the K4 by only flying to its strengths? Think again... He got great because he learned how to fly it as well as possible in ways he shouldn't.
And if you're going to insist on speaking in absolutes, at least realize that "outturn" doesn't necessarily imply a flat turn...
This is all friendly advice... Disregard it if you want... But believe me, it would be wise to start exploring your aircraft more if you want to continue flying in the DA with some success... You are currently extremely predictable, which is the last thing you want to be in there.
I spent tons of time furballing my 190 on the deck. There are campaign where I rarely take 190 above 5k. I got my time of getting the snotch kicked outta me tnbing 190. You know what though, out of all those experience I only learn 190 can't handle tnb well otd. I can only push my 190 otd with so many death before it become boring.
My main ride is 190, I usually don't fly other planes. Though when we fight and I'm in a differnet plane I usually handle it just fine. I mean we can spend hours tnbing F4U v. 190 and I can guarantee you 95% of the fight will end up with F4U coming out victorius no matter if it's you flying the 190 or me flying 190.
You guys flying F4Us and talking to us 190 pilot like we got no skill. Try fly 190 for a few camp take it otd like we tried and tell us how should it be flown. There's a limit of dying every 5 minutes before you get bored of it. Of course every other plane wants to tnb vs 190 because it's 95% a sure kill. Espcially for F4Us, that's like shooting fish in a barrel. So why is it a challange for F4Us want to tnb vs 190?
A quote from Urchin in a previous discussion about the ability of turnburning a 190.
"An amazing pilot can only take an awful plane so far. I used to enjoy fighting in the 190A5. When I used to enjoy fighting in it, it could turn something like 25-30% better than it does now (find Widewings post comparing AH1 and AH2 turning circles). The way it is now, the A5 is a flying brick, and it is the most agile of the 190s. You can only give away so many kills to folks before you decide that playing with both arms and a leg taped behind your back is just too much of a handicap.
... I can put up a decent fight, for a bit... but the outcome is never really in doubt. "
From this thread http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,234137.30.html
I've done my research in fighting the 190, and have took my 190 to define its limit, or at least what I think it is. I probably logged over 4000-5000 deaths in it? I dunno. All I know is if you asking a 190 to tnb like an F4U, it just won't happen.
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Yenny, with respect:
All I know is if you asking a 190 to tnb like an F4U, it just won't happen.
I've seen it happen, very well, with my own eyes.
If you keep going the way you are, your plateau will not be so high. It's up to you to decide if you're ok with that. It is, after all, your $15. You don't have to please anyone but yourself.
:salute
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Yenny, with respect:
I've seen it happen, very well, with my own eyes.
:salute
I have yet to meet a 190 that could do that, or seen a film of one. If that's posible it would be awesome to learn, but I really doubt it.
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"I'll beat you any plane ,anywhere,blah blah blah"I.Of course as soon as I said sure lets goto the DA and you can teach me <cause I'm really wanting to learn to fly the 109's>.
I get asked to the DA about average 5 to 10 times a night lately, if you want to fight, I'm sure I can make time. I think you're talking our your arse a little here, and I don't think me slapping you back to third grade in the DA is going to help you much. :aok
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Yea same, I asked him to go to the DA to help me learn how to fight before. But he said he doesn't help the kind like me or something along that line. Oh well ^_^
You gonna come in here and lie? How many times have I asked you to the DA?
You are really showing your true colors in this thread. I had heard some decent things about you lately, but lying to try and gather support, is not going to set well with some folks.
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I have yet to meet a 190 that could do that, or seen a film of one. If that's posible it would be awesome to learn, but I really doubt it.
Don't doubt it. Nath could TnB on the deck with anything and he did it in an A8
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I have yet to meet a 190 that could do that, or seen a film of one. If that's posible it would be awesome to learn, but I really doubt it.
Yenny, you might consider getting m00t to join you in the TA for some pointers. I believe he's pretty kick bellybutton in 190's & the 152. If anybody can make the 190 dance, it's probably him.
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:rofl
To hear yenny talk about it, once you loose alt in a 190 might as well run or auger. :rofl
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You gonna come in here and lie? How many times have I asked you to the DA?
You are really showing your true colors in this thread. I had heard some decent things about you lately, but lying to try and gather support, is not going to set well with some folks.
I clearly remember I was in DA, I messaged you while you were in MA asking for some help. And your replied was very disrespectful. I'm all game for getting my arse kick for the sense of learning. I don't need to suger coat anything. I'll say it as how I preceieve things. Even with all your negative comment at me I still keep a good atitude and watch my wording. I am sure I asked you to the DA a lot too, not just one occasion.
I already stated I'm a 190 flyer, I don't care what people think about that. Pick, vulch, it's the 190 trait, not like everyone on this forum have never done it. I don't lie about the style I fly, I'm a bnzmer. I'm still game for DA to get my arse kick but better players so I can learn. There's no point in fighting with people that I can take them down no problem because learning curve is slow there.
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Don't doubt it. Nath could TnB on the deck with anything and he did it in an A8
That's what I've heard too, I've been looking for his A8 tnb film, but yet to find one that mean something. I saw 1 of his A8 film but it wasn't a tnb one. <-- still looking for some film from him though. Currently though, I still have yet to find a 190 pilot that can tnb them thing well.
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I get asked to the DA about average 5 to 10 times a night lately, if you want to fight, I'm sure I can make time. I think you're talking our your arse a little here, and I don't think me slapping you back to third grade in the DA is going to help you much. :aok
I didnt ask you to DA ,you asked me then wouldnt go,when I said I was ready.
If your in game flying skills match your name calling and mouth ,you might actually
be good in this game.
I'll be on tonight around 12pm CST ,if you have the intestinal fortitude to actually show up
and throw down,but I figure thats a little past your bedtime ,youngster.
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That's what I've heard too, I've been looking for his A8 tnb film, but yet to find one that mean something. I saw 1 of his A8 film but it wasn't a tnb one. <-- still looking for some film from him though. Currently though, I still have yet to find a 190 pilot that can tnb them thing well.
Probably won't be finding many of Nath's films from AH2, better luck finding some of his AH1 films. While you're at it, look for some of Drex's films as well, though he does suck.
ack-ack
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I clearly remember I was in DA, I messaged you while you were in MA asking for some help. And your replied was very disrespectful.
what comes around goes around.
Next time I'm going to be in the DA , yo show up and we'll fight.
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:rofl
To hear yenny talk about it, once you loose alt in a 190 might as well run or auger. :rofl
I usually play it safe and do both. :D
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I usually play it safe and do both. :D
:lol
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Currently though, I still have yet to find a 190 pilot that can tnb them thing well.
:rofl
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If your in game flying skills match your name calling and mouth ,you might actually
be good in this game.
:rofl
So when I completely slap you silly in whatever ride you pick, will I be good? :rofl
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:rofl
To hear yenny talk about it, once you loose alt in a 190 might as well run or auger. :rofl
See this right here is what I don't think he understands, yet...
Using DA time to learn how to fight to a plane's strengths is a great thing! Maximizing your advantages is common sense. But one must remember that often in the MA, that simply isn't an option. There's always someone higher, faster, in a better plane, or better position. It stands to reason that places like the TA and DA should also be used to help one figure out to do in those instances.
If you want to improve, you work on things you're weak at more than things you're good at. Otherwise you're a weight lifter with chicken legs :)
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:rofl
So when I completely slap you silly in whatever ride you pick, will I be good? :rofl
See you still didnt accept the invite to come to DA,like Obama says"Just words,just speeches" :D
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Probably won't be finding many of Nath's films from AH2, better luck finding some of his AH1 films. While you're at it, look for some of Drex's films as well, though he does suck.
ack-ack
Isn't AH1 and AH2 very different in 190 performance? From what Urchin said "When I used to enjoy fighting in it, it could turn something like 25-30% better than it does now (find Widewings post comparing AH1 and AH2 turning circles). The way it is now, the A5 is a flying brick, and it is the most agile of the 190s."
25-30% in turn radius is a night and day different. I can't recall where I saw the turning radius chart for all fighters in AH2. I could remember worst turn radius is the 262, by like 350m+ for a complete 360. Then the FW-190A8 at 295m for a complete 360, then the D9 at 280m for 360. I think the A5 is in the neighborhood of 250m ? I don't fly A5 often so I can't remember. The F4U-D is in 170-200m? I can't remember.
But for shake of the argument let say 250m is the current radius for AH2 for the A5. 30% less would be 175m for a complete 360. I think this is one of the few reason that we can't compare AH2 and AH1 air craft performance. 175m for a 360 would be the same as an F4U then? But anywho I can't find either of the chart to compare. What I've said are what I recalled from seeing it in the pass. Please don't take my word for it. I can't remember clearly, so it's only an educated guess. I know m00t probably have the chart some where. I last recalled seeing it posted by him.
Oh I found the chart. I'm not sure at what speed and what alt these test were made but here it is. AH-2 Turn Radius
(http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk237/Pular/Turnradius.gif)
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See you still didnt accept the invite to come to DA,like Obama says"Just words,just speeches" :D
SkyRock<-------pulls out slapper sensor t check it badboy is here.
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SkyRock<-------pulls out slapper sensor t check it badboy is here.
:rofl That's one of the ,if not the most retarded comebacks to a reply you ever made youngster.
I'll be glad when school starts for you,so you can learn some new material.
Tell you what,I'll give you a free retype on that reply,most 12 y/o surpass you in comebacks,so you obviously must be younger than that.
Are you JohnnyRa's son by any chance? I heard him and Windx spawned a love child.That you?
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That chart is inacurate. For startes, the jugs outturn the 51.
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yea im not sure at what speed or alt these test were performed. I looked at some of the number and it doesn't seem to work with my experience. Some of these # seems like it's w/ flaps up and some what high speed. Maybe standard 300 knts turn?
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:rofl That's one of the ,if not the most retarded comebacks to a reply you ever made youngster.
I'll be glad when school starts for you,so you can learn some new material.
Tell you what,I'll give you a free retype on that reply,most 12 y/o surpass you in comebacks,so you obviously must be younger than that.
Are you JohnnyRa's son by any chance? I heard him and Windx spawned a love child.That you?
OK, I'll play, so you want to DA? I'll DA you if you state what name you used to play this game under. Either way, you'll get slapped in the DA, right? :rolleyes:
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hehe, i waited 9 pages in the shadows for that one. a DA challenge was inevitable. :rock
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OK, I'll play, so you want to DA? I'll DA you if you state what name you used to play this game under. Either way, you'll get slapped in the DA, right? :rolleyes:
wow so you did accept.I'm amazed you could actually muster the courage.
My previous name or current name is immaterial.
I used to go by the name "SlowBob".
You've always been the easy fish to catch,even with poor bait and an old pole.
Cya there, youngster.
I'm gonna pwn the noob wit uberl33t haxx
ROFLAMO!!!!!!!
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That chart is inacurate. For startes, the jugs outturn the 51.
These must all be flaps-up turns. It shows the Tempest making a smaller circle than the F4U-4.
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hehe, i waited 9 pages in the shadows for that one. a DA challenge was inevitable. :rock
hee hee it was on page 7 from thinlezbo :devil
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ROFLAMO!!!!!!!
What does that stand for?
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I'm amazed you could actually muster the courage.
:rolleyes:
My previous name or current name is immaterial.
we'll see.
Cya there, youngster.
:rofl
I'm gonna pwn the noob wit uberl33t haxx
very doubtful. :aok
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What does that stand for?
It stands for twitboy laugh. :aok
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.squelch yenny
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WOW thought I had a big fish,but looks like a big mouth guppy,or maybe more like a sucker. :aok
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WOW thought I had a big fish,but looks like a big mouth guppy,or maybe more like a sucker. :aok
Withdraw while you still can :aok
This is advice from Sanbanananana
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WOW thought I had a big fish,but looks like a big mouth guppy,or maybe more like a sucker. :aok
:rolleyes:
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:lol
What's your in game name? I want to see your 190.
HUH??
I don't post in shades :)
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:rofl SkyRocks work is never done. The noobs just keep coming :lol
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You guys are making me miss my old A8. I've had a lot of luck turnfighting in the A8 against just about everything. On the other hand I've had a lot of bad luck fighting in the A8 against just about everything. Beating a "superior" turn fighter in an A8 is very gratifying. 190's will surprise you if you give 'em a chance and that's why you can win; the element of surprise when you start turn-fighting in one.
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<S> Sir good to see ya still around...
(http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c135/007rusty/popcorn.gif) this is getten good I want film
:D
hehe, i waited 9 pages in the shadows for that one. a DA challenge was inevitable. :rock
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It's been about 15 years since I flew a FW190-A8 (used to be my main ride) in another game in a bygone era but when I used to tangle with angle fighters, I'd use my better roll rate and vertical turns to get inside of the angle fighter's turn for a deflection shot. Not that I was always successful but more often than not, I came out the winner. YMMV.
ack-ack
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I have yet to meet a 190 that could do that, or seen a film of one. If that's posible it would be awesome to learn, but I really doubt it.
Going back to this... I took a 190A8 50% fuel up in the DA furball area today in an attempt to provide you with an example of a different style:
http://www.mediafire.com/?aafwvdbzby8 (http://www.mediafire.com/?aafwvdbzby8)
I merge with a faster Ki84 that is pretty much coalt. I lose this fight, but I sure had a fun time doing so, and I certainly didn't feel helpless... I had my chances, but was outflown.
Bear in mind that I rarely fly the 190 and am unfamiliar with its edge or envelope... Just giving it a wing. There are many much better examples, but hopefully this will give you an idea of the sort of style that I enjoy. If I can last this long on day one of winging it, I'm sure a guy devoted to the bird could do very much better.
(If you're wondering why my recorded views are jumping all over the place, it's because I decided to be an inpatient idiot and buy a widescreen monitor before AH2 supports it :) It's hard to keep track of people when the sky that used to be there is there no more).
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Good fight, certainly w/ the alts it wasn't bad fighting with its nose pointing down. The Ki pilot seems made a few mistake when you both did rolling scissors, and scissor once you both were otd. If he chop that throttle like most experience would do and saddle in, the fight wouldn't have gone that long.
Let's not talk about going v. inexperience pilots though. I've done it a lot in D9 v. spit just fine vs the newer guys. BUt we gotta look at both players with the same skill level. That's where the different in performance in the 190 will greatly notice.
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It's been about 15 years since I flew a FW190-A8 (used to be my main ride) in another game in a bygone era but when I used to tangle with angle fighters, I'd use my better roll rate and vertical turns to get inside of the angle fighter's turn for a deflection shot. Not that I was always successful but more often than not, I came out the winner. YMMV.
My mileage varies. That plane is a pig. Been trying for years to pretend that it's at least one of the better looking pigs, but no luck.
- oldman ('course, the P-40B is even worse....)
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Good fight, certainly w/ the alts it wasn't bad fighting with its nose pointing down. The Ki pilot seems made a few mistake when you both did rolling scissors, and scissor once you both were otd. If he chop that throttle like most experience would do and saddle in, the fight wouldn't have gone that long.
Let's not talk about going v. inexperience pilots though. I've done it a lot in D9 v. spit just fine vs the newer guys. BUt we gotta look at both players with the same skill level. That's where the different in performance in the 190 will greatly notice.
Yeah, we both made many mistakes. But I'm unused to the 190, so "experience" is relative there. 'Sides, I wasn't cutting throttle in the rollin scissor, either. I didn't know what that would do to its handling...
Keep in mind I have no idea who the guy is until the fight is over. Still, I go for it. Even if I did know who the other guy was, I'd still go for it. That's the big difference between us...
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You guys are making me miss my old A8. I've had a lot of luck turnfighting in the A8 against just about everything. On the other hand I've had a lot of bad luck fighting in the A8 against just about everything. Beating a "superior" turn fighter in an A8 is very gratifying. 190's will surprise you if you give 'em a chance and that's why you can win; the element of surprise when you start turn-fighting in one.
Agreed
There seems to be two windows in speed where the A8/190 becomes startling better then you'd think it is. And that is where it usually becomes under estimated by the enmy. They are indeed very short windows of time, a honey spot in speed, find it. <shrug>
It's like a roller coaster, it will always keep you on edge and good for adrenaline flow trying to stay alive against a better plane and or better pilot. It's the hot seat, and I like it that way. :) A roller coaster isn't worth a crap if it doesn't scare you. :)
I don't get that same feeling in what *I* will call "easy mode" AC, because there's no tingling when you know you're always on top of the fight. Those are great learning planes for th eore challenging stufff.
IMO, It's pulling out from *under* a fight and coming out on top is the funnest part to me. Which is why you'll always find me flying into a horde or on the deck draggin 3-6 AC. My goal is to come out on top of all that kack, which is why my rank is the way it is, because it's VERY rare that you will and I rarely make it home. 1-1 fights become seemingly rather easy\boring stuffff. Give me 2-1 or 3-1 and I'm pumped. That's not saying I like that because I am great, because I am not, I just like it. I don't expect to win, I expect to have fun trying. Winning is just icing on the cake.
IMO people who despise "Easy Mode" planes, are probably just adrenaline junkies, likea me. They like the roller coaster scaring them. Why I like the 190. :)
I think what Sky sees is someone just getting to know the 190, and just happens to take it to the level of "you suck", but i know it goes with his "persona".
There's always someone new, or someone trying a new AC,... trying to get out of easy mode. Should appreciate the fact the guy has the guts\nuts to fly the 190. No offense but IMO no one needs a lot of guts nor skill to fly a spit or a f4 to name a few. The guts comes in flying a plane you think can't do it and learning how to make it do it. I refer back to the roller coaster. :)
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The guts comes in flying a plane you think can't do it and learning how to make it do it. I refer back to the roller coaster. :)
That does of course require the guy to try to do it. I think you'll agree many 190 sticks (actually, many sticks in general) skip that step :)
It sounds like you're an exception, in that case, I can't wait to run into you :aok
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working on some training films for dora pilots!
:noid
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Tin lizzy, couldnt make midnight tonight, try me again when you see me on.
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working on some training films for dora pilots!
:noid
Make some for me on how to not HO :D :devil :lol
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Make some for me on how to not HO :D :devil :lol
funny you mention that, I have one where I dodge 6 HO's flying towards some cons, not one of them prep for merge on me 6, all blow by HOing away. :rofl
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funny you mention that, I have one where I dodge 6 HO's flying towards some cons, not one of them prep for merge on me 6, all blow by HOing away. :rofl
You're just too damn good, they FEAR the F4U :noid
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Going back to this... I took a 190A8 50% fuel up in the DA furball area today in an attempt to provide you with an example of a different style:
http://www.mediafire.com/?aafwvdbzby8 (http://www.mediafire.com/?aafwvdbzby8)
I merge with a faster Ki84 that is pretty much coalt. I lose this fight, but I sure had a fun time doing so, and I certainly didn't feel helpless... I had my chances, but was outflown.
Bear in mind that I rarely fly the 190 and am unfamiliar with its edge or envelope... Just giving it a wing. There are many much better examples, but hopefully this will give you an idea of the sort of style that I enjoy. If I can last this long on day one of winging it, I'm sure a guy devoted to the bird could do very much better.
(If you're wondering why my recorded views are jumping all over the place, it's because I decided to be an inpatient idiot and buy a widescreen monitor before AH2 supports it :) It's hard to keep track of people when the sky that used to be there is there no more).
For someone who never flies the 190A8 that was impressive. As soon as your nose was up with the Ki-84 on your 6 I said "uh oh, here it comes." I wasn't watching the film meter.
You had about 2-3 snapshot opportunities during that fight. One of them was low % (the first time you fired), and the second was where you forced the overshoot but didn't have enough e to bring the nose up (isn't that frustrating?) :lol. The third you got his wing but probably hit with the cowl guns instead of the cannons.
I like that the Ki-84 pilot had to adapt his tactics to shoot you down. At first, he was simply coming in full throttle, point and shoot, and you nearly made him pay for that. Later he had the flaps out and made his approach more diligently. All in all, that was a good performance in a fight against an airplane that accelerates faster, turns better, and climbs better; your only advantage is roll rate and top speed on the deck. Keep in mind we're trying to master a technique with the 190 for which it was never designed, a 1vs1 type dueling scenario. If you had both had wingmen, it would not be equivalent to having two 1vs1 fights side by side. :aok
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I think what Sky sees is someone just getting to know the 190, and just happens to take it to the level of "you suck", but i know it goes with his "persona".
No offense but IMO no one needs a lot of guts nor skill to fly a spit or a f4 to name a few.
Animal, many peeps don't understand why I would talk to someone like I do Yenny. I'm not just typing it, I have actually encountered him enough to know......always cherrying 3rd fella in. But you see him come on the boards and talk like he's an expert on acm and the 190. Telling people who fly a 190 on the deck that a 190 can't deck fight is insulting. Just because he hasn't flown it to it's edges enough to actually know what it can do, or he just doesn't know enough manuvers to stay alive otd in a 190. Either way, I'm seeing two Yenny's, the one who talks about furballing on the deck on the boards, and the one in game who flies timid enough to put an ADDHD kid to sleep. I'll have a few films of rolling scissors otd against spits, wildcats, p-40's, yaks, and the likes. I'm sure you'll hear him expertly deny the evidence though. :aok
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I dunno =) this campaign I landed 3 BnZ sorties so far. a 38J w/ 13 kills, a D-9 with 7, and last night a D-9 with 10. 3 sorties out of 150 ? I mean I could do it all day but been into furballing lately. Just look at my score for this campaign it's around 2-3 k/d ratio, no where close to what an average bnzmer is at.
I do think in furball bnzing, there's no such thing as "3rd party". Mainly because it's a furball. I do believe 1 v 1 BnZming is lame, and I usually don't bnz in a 1 v 1. Maybe an E fight if I have the E then eventually as I lose it, it would be a tnb. As for running wise, I have yet to run in a D9 from a 1 v 1. Only time I'd run is multiple on my tail, or I'm losing radiator, or pw or something that I can't maintain airborne long.
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You're just too damn good, they FEAR the F4U :noid
I was in a 190, but you got the first part right! :aok
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As for running wise, I have yet to run in a D9 from a 1 v 1. Only time I'd run is multiple on my tail, or I'm losing radiator, or pw or something that I can't maintain airborne long.
this is a flase statement.
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I give credit to the 190 pilots that try to fight me -1 hog but I hate the ones that run to ack all the time. I could careless if they run, just not to ack. BTW, a 190 (including d9) will not rope a hog unless he going 100 mph faster on the initial start of the climb. He also better be 1k out before he starts that climb, espescially if he fightin me. I kill at 800+ out alot, hehehehe.
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Nice paint job on that Dora, ZooZoo. :aok
I take back ALMOST every bad thing I've said about you. :D
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I give credit to the 190 pilots that try to fight me -1 hog but I hate the ones that run to ack all the time. I could careless if they run, just not to ack. BTW, a 190 (including d9) will not rope a hog unless he going 100 mph faster on the initial start of the climb. He also better be 1k out before he starts that climb, espescially if he fightin me. I kill at 800+ out alot, hehehehe.
Don't hold back Dog, tell the world how good you are :D
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I usually don't publicize film of my arse getting kick this badly. For learning purposes I recorded some of my OTD D9 TnB actions of lunch break today. It's kinda ugly, I can last for a bit going up vs multiple tnbers but outcome usually the same. Down in flames I go. I really kinda limited in what other trick to pull in D9 because I really can't find it. Like people said you can make 190 dance like F4U. I found that maybe true in AH1, but I find it hard to believe in AH2. Then again this would be my 8th months in the game so I haven't seen a lot or expose to a lot.
Enjoy short lil clip of my D9 tnb action, it's not pretty. I take my D9 out for tnb a lot, but still yet to improve on it otd wise. With alt it's not so bad.
http://files.filefront.com/TnBD9ahf/;11498631;/fileinfo.html
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the only thing I found a 190 can do as good as a hog is rolling scissors for a few besides hit and run. After that it dead meat. I have almost met my maker a few times to the rolling scissors a 190 can do.
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the only thing I found a 190 can do as good as a hog is rolling scissors for a few besides hit and run. After that it dead meat. I have almost met my maker a few times to the rolling scissors a 190 can do.
That's why I found it hard to believe when other says they "seen" people make 190 dance like F4U. Maybe in AH1 but I'm not sure if that's possible in AH2. I'd like to see it and learn if that's possible. What are the chances of a good pilot in an F4U will let a 190 get into a good firing possition in a dueling setting. I have yet to see an AH2 film of good 190 take vs a good F4U pilot in a tnb situation.
As much as I want to believe it's possible for 190s to dance like F4U, but reality kicks in for now and said you haven't seen it yet, therefor it haven't happen. Just the same as what Skyrock claim that he can outturn or outmanuever an La7 with a 190. Maybe with a new La-7 pilot yea, but I doubt that an experience pilot in an La-7 will allow that to happen.
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the only thing I found a 190 can do as good as a hog is rolling scissors for a few besides hit and run. After that it dead meat. I have almost met my maker a few times to the rolling scissors a 190 can do.
didn't you and I have one a few days, maybe a week+ ago and I even pinged you? I think I recall either a <S> from you or some comment, though that may be drunken haze. heck I may even have talked smack back LOL
even so I barely fly and can only do a rolling scissors 3 sheets to the wind and not "thinking" about it lol.
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I was having a blast in an A8 last night down low...climb to 5-7k max each time...and fought down hill till on deck each time. Jolly actually gave me a good fight in a ki84...was dang fun...even though I lost that one. I also fought a slightly higher spit8 down to deck with him running away from me...go figure...spit running from a 190...dont see that often.
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I made that chart from Kweassa's data. IIRC it's flaps up turn rates.
Those are just numbers for one VERY SPECIFIC situation. You can "TnB" a 262 versus a fair part of the whole planeset, if you do it right.