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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Dago on September 01, 2008, 11:40:23 AM
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I think McCain is going to win because I believe this country has more intelligent people than gullible blinder wearing people. :aok
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I think McCain is going to win because I believe this country has more intelligent people than gullible blinder wearing people. :aok
heh. If that were the case there would be a huge public outcry over the choices we have.
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heh. If that were the case there would be a huge public outcry over the choices we have.
I would think the majority of the democratic party would be crying out loud about the poor choices they tend to field for President in the last few elections.
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I WANT McCain to win, I don't care how old he is, he has experience, Omama doesn't.
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Experience is far from everything :D
But seriously, I think Obama has the right ideas, even if he severely lacks in experience.
You could even view his lack of experience as an advantage, as it means that he won't be as corrupt/deceitful as many politicians are (as he's had less time to be corrupted).
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Yossarian
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Experience is far from everything :D
But seriously, I think Obama has the right ideas, even if he severely lacks in experience.
You could even view his lack of experience as an advantage, as it means that he won't be as corrupt/deceitful as many politicians are (as he's had less time to be corrupted).
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Yossarian
That coming from socialist europe where people wait for months for a hearing aid. You need to read Animal Farm then you will know the stew you're cooking in.
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Experience is far from everything :D
But seriously, I think Obama has the right ideas, even if he severely lacks in experience.
You could even view his lack of experience as an advantage, as it means that he won't be as corrupt/deceitful as many politicians are (as he's had less time to be corrupted).
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Yossarian
I estimate 50% of my income is used to pay taxes. Income taxes, property taxes, gasoline taxes, sales taxes, user fees, license fees. I think Obama's "right ideas" would cost me another 20% of my income in taxes.
I don't think Obamas plan to tax companies out of business is the right idea.
I don't think Obamas plan to disarm America is the right idea.
I don't think Obamas plan to give everyone without health insurance free insurance is the right idea, it will cost the working middle class a fortune they can't afford to pay.
I don't think Obama has done anything in his career to warrant his consideration for POTUS.
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Experience is far from everything :D
But seriously, I think Obama has the right ideas...
Yossarian
Yet you are repeatedly are unable to elaborate on those ideas.
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obama give great speech. :lol
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Squawk Poly wanna cacker. Squawk
Yossarian
that's what i read.
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I know McCane is gonna win. I dont like it one bit, but he is the "republican" i liked the most so it will be the best of the worst...imo.
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if obama wins, i'm hiring a ball washer.
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I predicted a McCain win some time ago, even though I am from the other side of the pond. He's the safer option. Obama is long on rhetoric, short on details. He may or may not make a good president. I doubt if we will find out. I think the timing is wrong and he only won the nomination because frankly even Dems knew Hillary would clinch it for the Republicans even if they put up Jed Bush this time.
The Palin thing is a brilliant move and could clinch it for McCain, despite the the teen pregnancy.
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I think McCain is going to win because I believe this country has more intelligent people than gullible blinder wearing people. :aok
I don't know about that. They voted Bush in. Twice.
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I don't know about that. They voted Bush in. Twice.
I think most were just voting against Gore and Kerry.
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Ya your probably right there Hunter
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I think most were just voting against Gore and Kerry.
And this time they will be voting agaisnt Obama.
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And this time they will be voting agaisnt Obama.
Beat me to it! :aok
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Obama is long on rhetoric, short on details.
You noticed that too?
I am glad there are some smart people out there paying attention and not just drinking the Kool Aid. :aok
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I guess app. VP Palin's daughter is pregnant will really help McCain.
No way hosje.
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How will it hurt?
Shes 17 and getting married.
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Obama has a record as one of the most extreme leftist, liberal, socialist, and inexperienced politicians in the country. That should concern people.
The harm Obama and his crew would do to the country with a liberal senate majority would be irrepairable. Let Obama take his elitest America-hating crew and go be "world citizens" somewhere else - way far from here.
If and when the day comes when John McCaine and Palin are sworn in, I'll be one VERY relieved voter.
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I guess app. VP Palin's daughter is pregnant will really help McCain.
No way hosje.
I guess you feel that the fact that Obama was born to an unmarried 18 year old is somehow wildly different and better than a young woman who is getting married and will raise the baby with a husband?
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When the day comes when John McCain and Palin are sworn in, I'll be one VERY relieved voter.
A-fracken-MEN.
Mostly because I think Crockett will implode. That will be funny ;)
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A-fracken-MEN.
Mostly because I think Crockett will implode. That will be funny ;)
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Actually. it'll probably make him rich... he's already found a porn star look-alike. Wonder if somebody else will beat him to the contract?
(http://www.wargamerx.com/temp/20.jpg)
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,245621.msg3008393.html#msg3008393 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,245621.msg3008393.html#msg3008393)
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Actually. it'll probably make him rich... he's already found a porn star look-alike. Wonder if somebody else will beat him to the contract?
(http://www.wargamerx.com/temp/20.jpg)
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,245621.msg3008393.html#msg3008393 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,245621.msg3008393.html#msg3008393)
lol. Whats her name?
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I am as of yet undecided.
Im not impressed with either and honesty I dont see either as being the viable alternative.
that being said.
You all better hope this changes considerably.
http://atrios.electoral-vote.com/index.html
Personally I think this country is made up of gullible people.
Parties and candidates play on the peoples fears.Which in turn plays upon peoples gullibility
But regardless of the arguments made here.
This election is still going to boil down to whats happening in the world in Nov.
Gas prices.
The Economy
And Iraq.
Improvements or continued improvement in these areas Bode well for McCain
Lack of improvements or maintaining where we are now pushes it into Obamas Favor.
Like it or not
Right now Obama is in the stronger position because of his "change" message
He is essentially pulling a Regan "Are you better off now then 4 years ago?" And he is doing it very well.
Now he may very well be full of crap.
But that message is striking a cord with alot of independents. Which IMO is where the votes for this election are going to hinge on.
McCain has some credibility with the independents because he doesnt always vote the party line. but even some of those votes independents find irritating.
His choice for VP may have secured and made all giddy the party base. But all he managed to do was secure a base that otherwise would have held its nose and voted for him anyway because the alternative is Obama. But the novelty of "she is like us" is going to eventually wear off. and independents arent going to like a hard line right any more then they like a hard line left. THAT is why they are independents.
McCain has GOT to play to the middle more to overcome the psychological recession and mood the country is in.
Most importantly he HAS to distance himself from Bush. He will get the vote of the right anyway. Again because the alternative is Obama.
But just as Clinton hurt Gore in 2000. Bush will hurt McCain Now.
If I were McCain I'd pretty much just tell Bush to just keep his mouth shut and concentrate on just being president for the remainder of his term and not oo anything that will give anyone a reason to print negative headlines.
You can pretty much assume Obama has the vast majority of the black vote all sewn up. Something which should not be underestimated.
They WILL come out to vote for him in record numbers.
the offset is the middle and the independents
He HAS to woo the middle. By hook or by crook.
If he doesnt. Those numbers on that page are only going to look worse in Nov
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Actually. it'll probably make him rich... he's already found a porn star look-alike. Wonder if somebody else will beat him to the contract?
(http://www.wargamerx.com/temp/20.jpg)
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,245621.msg3008393.html#msg3008393 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,245621.msg3008393.html#msg3008393)
Maybe Crookett could post a pic of himself and we'll see if he looks like Michael Moore?
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I'm probably going to do a write-in vote for this guy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8--lrON9yzs&eurl=http://jeffdunham.com/walter.php).
More information can be found here (http://jeffdunham.com/walter.php).
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I think McCain is going to win because I believe this country has more intelligent people than gullible blinder wearing people. :aok
Yea, and I'm sure NBC and CNN will just stand by and let it happen, that there arent any ghettos and that if you thing that you're not a racist if you dont support Obama....
It'll be a tough one. Best thing for McCain to do is to let Obama talk till they see how stupid he is :rolleyes:
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obama give great speech. :lol
That is only because the press won't show you all the stunning gaffs.
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that's what i read.
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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Experience is far from everything :D
But seriously, I think Obama has the right ideas, even if he severely lacks in experience.
You could even view his lack of experience as an advantage, as it means that he won't be as corrupt/deceitful as many politicians are (as he's had less time to be corrupted).
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Yossarian
Yossarian, are you out of your freaking mind! That's how he became a senator. He had some one break into some confidential records of his opponent and they were printed in the press. It was a divorce transcripts that were suppose to be private. He's from Crook (Cook County Chicago). Even Clinton said they do things there like thugs. (Who could believe some one could be lower than Clinton)
Additionally look at Bj229s post about back tracking on the internet. It was some lies about Palin that were traced back to Obama's site. This guy follows the Rules For Rebels handbook. Which credit the devil for being the first Rebel.
So goodness sakes pull yourself together and walk upright.
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I'm probably going to do a write-in vote for this guy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8--lrON9yzs&eurl=http://jeffdunham.com/walter.php).
More information can be found here (http://jeffdunham.com/walter.php).
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OMFG!
Just checked out a few of the other vids on Youtube
I forgot all about Walter.
Im still wiping the tears from my eyes from laughing so hard
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I figure if you're going to vote for a puppet, at least vote for one who you can see the puppeteer. ;)
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I think OBama is going to win because I believe this country has more intelligent people than gullible blinder wearing people. Thumbs UP!
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dred and mojava..
Dred.. how can you be undecided when one candidate is the most liberal senator there is?
dred and mojava... besides his speaking voice.. can you name one thing that osamabama has detailed that he will do that you agree with? that makes him an intelligent choice?
I am thinking that if osambama gets in that it proves that we are a nation that deserves to be drugged out and placed before the tube watching america can dance or has talent of some such after a hard day at work making all left hand gloves.
lazs
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I think OBama is going to win because I believe this country has more intelligent people than gullible blinder wearing people. Thumbs UP!
More intelligent?! Study after study has concluded that Democrats are less intelligent and way less educated. They still suffer from the illusion that you get something for free.
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More intelligent?! Study after study has concluded that Democrats are less intelligent and way less educated. They still suffer from the illusion that you get something for free.
lmao.. link please (no fox news or christian conservative sites) thank you :lol
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Here you go Lazs , http://www.barackobama.com/issues/ (http://www.barackobama.com/issues/) I think you'll find his plans a lot more detail oriented than his rival.
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Im not an American so I know im not entitled to post my view here about an American issue like US elections, but since these elections affect the whole world Ill seize the opportunity to make a comment. From what I hear the latest polls give Obama the lead with 6 to 8 points. I don’t know if these reports are correct, but I think that the Gustav thing had a negative effect to the Repubs convention. If u are superstitious I take that as a bad omen for McCain.
Ok you got me. Im pro-Obama. :)
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Im not an American so I know im not entitled to post my view here about an American issue like US elections,
Post all you like. Your opinion is worth the same as anyone else's. Just don't be surprised when/if people openly disagree with you. It's all part of that freedom of speech thing; it works both ways.
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Here you go Lazs , http://www.barackobama.com/issues/ (http://www.barackobama.com/issues/) I think you'll find his plans a lot more detail oriented than his rival.
LOL your kidding right? I've read his campaign site a couple of dozen times and all it has on the issues in the same generic garbage that he spews out on TV. The MO for that site and Obama is lets spend 10 minutes stating the obvious, wait for the dramatic pause, then we'll all yell "It's time for a change, Yes we can!" but make sure we don't tell anyone how we're going to do it, or what "it" even is.
I don't mind when someone points out a problem to me, but if your going to come to me about a problem come to me with a viable solution as well. He hasn't done that, other than to say he wants to throw more money at problems and he's going to get that money by taxing the hell out of everything.
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Maybe you should read it again.
Obama will cut income taxes by $1,000 for working families to offset the payroll tax they pay.
* Provide a Tax Cut for Working Families: Obama will restore fairness to the tax code and provide 150 million workers the tax relief they need. Obama will create a new "Making Work Pay" tax credit of up to $500 per person, or $1,000 per working family. The "Making Work Pay" tax credit will completely eliminate income taxes for 10 million Americans.
* Eliminate Income Taxes for Seniors Making Less than $50,000: Barack Obama will eliminate all income taxation of seniors making less than $50,000 per year. This proposal will eliminate income taxes for 7 million seniors and provide these seniors with an average savings of $1,400 each year. Under the Obama plan, 27 million American seniors will also not need to file an income tax return.
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And if you REALLY belive that's EVER going to happen, you need to lighten up on the meds. There is a differance in reality ad a pipe dream, and what he's spewing is nothing but a pipe dream. Any rational person with a shred of common sense can see that.
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Im detecting a used car salesman here.....will do and say anything to make the sale.
Buyer BEWARE
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LOL your kidding right? I've read his campaign site a couple of dozen times and all it has on the issues in the same generic garbage that he spews out on TV. The MO for that site and Obama is lets spend 10 minutes stating the obvious, wait for the dramatic pause, then we'll all yell "It's time for a change, Yes we can!" but make sure we don't tell anyone how we're going to do it, or what "it" even is.
So the argument goes from, he doesn't provide details of his plan, to you can't trust the details of his plan. :rofl
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* Eliminate Income Taxes for Seniors Making Less than $50,000: Barack Obama will eliminate all income taxation of seniors making less than $50,000 per year. This proposal will eliminate income taxes for 7 million seniors and provide these seniors with an average savings of $1,400 each year. Under the Obama plan, 27 million American seniors will also not need to file an income tax return.
i am a senior and i don't pay any income tax and i don't have to file a return now. So what else is obama going to do for me? :rofl
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Nah, what he said is that there's nothing on HOW he's going to accomplish all these wonderful things.
For example, how is the Obamessiah going to provide all those tax cuts while fulfilling his other promises on the economy. Remember, he said he's going to pay for every cent he adds to the budget.
Just exactly how is that going to be done? Without ballooning the deficit to a larger extent than Bush did? Those little details like that are missing.
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Toad, maybe by
"End Tax Breaks for Companies that Send Jobs Overseas: Barack Obama believes that companies should not get billions of dollars in tax deductions for moving their operations overseas. Obama will also fight to ensure that public contracts are awarded to companies that are committed to American workers."
or even by creating more American jobs.
" American Jobs: Barack Obama introduced the Patriot Employer Act of 2007 to provide a tax credit to companies that maintain or increase the number of full-time workers in America relative to those outside the US; maintain their corporate headquarters in America; pay decent wages; prepare workers for retirement; provide health insurance; and support employees who serve in the military."
I think you can find most of the answers your asking about here, http://www.barackobama.com/issues/economy/ (http://www.barackobama.com/issues/economy/)
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Which is more of the fluff we get every campaign season from every candidate.
There's a lot of verbiage there with no specifics at all and absolutely NO guarantees that he can get that stuff through a Congress that is always in the pocket of industry lobbyists.
It's like me running and saying that I'm going to give every family $100k by eliminating waste and fraud in government. It's meaningless bullshirt.
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Didn't I just go through this a second go,
So the argument goes from, he doesn't provide details of his plan, to you can't trust the details of his plan. :rofl
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Only a liberal can call fluff like that a "plan". Hell, my plan is no different than his plan.
Here's another plan that's equally as good: Obama can have Santa Clause deliver $2500 in North Pole gold to all seniors by promising Santa that we will put him on a stamp.
There's a detailed plan for ya; it's about as good as what you are touting as "details".
I see where you're coming from though. You'll swallow bullshirt as "details" and still trust the plan.
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details? you call those details? that is like saying "a car in every garage and a chicken in every pot"
How is he gonna cut taxes and grow government at the same time.. I don't see a budget that includes all of us getting $1000 a year tax break... I don't see national health paid for by cutting taxes.. name a socialized medicine country with low taxes.
Then.. no taxes for seniors.. retired people who make less than $50,00 a year.. hey.. I guess that is a consolation... at least if he wins I can pretend I believe that.. very comforting since I will be retiring but... I just can't drink the koolaid.
His plans have no details.. they are contradictory. He says.. we are gonna give all of you ten times more than we ever have before and we are gonna charge you less than you got charged last year.
lazs
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Toad, maybe by
"End Tax Breaks for Companies that Send Jobs Overseas: Barack Obama believes that companies should not get billions of dollars in tax deductions for moving their operations overseas. Obama will also fight to ensure that public contracts are awarded to companies that are committed to American workers."
or even by creating more American jobs.
" American Jobs: Barack Obama introduced the Patriot Employer Act of 2007 to provide a tax credit to companies that maintain or increase the number of full-time workers in America relative to those outside the US; maintain their corporate headquarters in America; pay decent wages; prepare workers for retirement; provide health insurance; and support employees who serve in the military."
I think you can find most of the answers your asking about here, http://www.barackobama.com/issues/economy/ (http://www.barackobama.com/issues/economy/)
Just a side note. I see no difference in saying, "I will make sure no one is hungry by making sure every plate is full of food for all!". Solves the problem and tells you how.
Now, where the hell is he going to get the food from?
Obama's whole site reads like that.
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Simplify Tax Filings for Middle Class Americans: Obama will dramatically simplify tax filings so that millions of Americans will be able to do their taxes in less than five minutes. Obama will ensure that the IRS uses the information it already gets from banks and employers to give taxpayers the option of pre-filled tax forms to verify, sign and return. Experts estimate that the Obama proposal will save Americans up to 200 million total hours of work and aggravation and up to $2 billion in tax preparer fees.
Hey there's 2 billion right there.
Here's McCains plan,
# John McCain's policies will increase the value of the dollar and thus reduce the price of oil. In recent years, the declining value of the dollar has added to the cost of imported oil. This will change. Americans will have a stronger economy, a stronger dollar and greater purchasing power for oil, gas and food.
or this one is even better
The McCain administration would reserve all savings from victory in the Iraq and Afghanistan operations in the fight against Islamic extremists for reducing the deficit. Since all their costs were financed with deficit spending, all their savings must go to deficit reduction.
Now that's what make believe looks like.
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John McCain's policies will increase the value of the dollar and thus reduce the price of oil. In recent years, the declining value of the dollar has added to the cost of imported oil. This will change. Americans will have a stronger economy, a stronger dollar and greater purchasing power for oil, gas and food.
Actually, about 30 percent of the price of a bbl of oil is related to the devalued dollar. So, on the surface that is an important issue. As for his ability to turn that around in a timely manner -- I don't know.
Charon
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implify Tax Filings for Middle Class Americans: Obama will dramatically simplify tax filings so that millions of Americans will be able to do their taxes in less than five minutes. Obama will ensure that the IRS uses the information it already gets from banks and employers to give taxpayers the option of pre-filled tax forms to verify, sign and return. Experts estimate that the Obama proposal will save Americans up to 200 million total hours of work and aggravation and up to $2 billion in tax preparer fees
And put 50,000 people out of work that make money filing takes for these people:)
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Im detecting a used car salesman here.....will do and say anything to make the sale.
Buyer BEWARE
Politics as usual on BOTH sides of the fence.
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Obama has a record as one of the most extreme leftist, liberal, socialist, and inexperienced politicians in the country. That should concern people.
The harm Obama and his crew would do to the country with a liberal senate majority would be irrepairable. Let Obama take his elitest America-hating crew and go be "world citizens" somewhere else - way far from here.
If and when the day comes when John McCaine and Palin are sworn in, I'll be one VERY relieved voter.
Thanks to bush our country is in need of major repairs,But my answer to who I want to be President..............none of the above and I know people on this game who want McCaine only cause he served in a war.
And I know people who want Obama because we want something new.
Not like my post has to do with anything but I'm speaking my mind.
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Yossarian, are you out of your freaking mind! That's how he became a senator. He had some one break into some confidential records of his opponent and they were printed in the press. It was a divorce transcripts that were suppose to be private. He's from Crook (Cook County Chicago). Even Clinton said they do things there like thugs. (Who could believe some one could be lower than Clinton)
Additionally look at Bj229s post about back tracking on the internet. It was some lies about Palin that were traced back to Obama's site. This guy follows the Rules For Rebels handbook. Which credit the devil for being the first Rebel.
So goodness sakes pull yourself together and walk upright.
Its what Yossarian thinks is right and you have NO say in what he thinks,you ever think some people don't want to follow the crowd......they want to do what THEY think is right.
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I estimate 50% of my income is used to pay taxes. Income taxes, property taxes, gasoline taxes, sales taxes, user fees, license fees. I think Obama's "right ideas" would cost me another 20% of my income in taxes.
I don't think Obamas plan to tax companies out of business is the right idea.
I don't think Obamas plan to disarm America is the right idea.
I don't think Obamas plan to give everyone without health insurance free insurance is the right idea, it will cost the working middle class a fortune they can't afford to pay.
I don't think Obama has done anything in his career to warrant his consideration for POTUS.
Actually Obama talks about rebuilding the military, because Bush's follies have made us weak.
France has a nice standard of 70% government payment, you can choose any Dr. you want; no more waiting than here. Good employer's supply the last 30%. If it's terminal or your poor the French government will pay 100%.
Here, even if you have insurance, and you are terminally ill, your SOL, as you will lose your job, and your insurance.. unless your have a spouse that can work for coverage for you. Health insurance is quite broken in the US, we spend more than ANY country on the planet... to pay for the leech industry of medical insurance. Companies which Dr.'s who work for them have stated that they have denied needed treatment causing death. This is what we should spend our money on? Get a clue, your already paying for the insurance industry through a smaller salary or whatever. We use the most % of GDP of any country on the planet, and we have a huge GDP. I think that is just stupid.
I'm not saying Obama has the right answers-alot of what he say it stupid...but McCain is a total idiot. McCain lives in his sheltered, aristocratic world. At least Obama is acknowledging the problems, though his answers aren't exactly the best ones.
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I estimate 50% of my income is used to pay taxes.
33% goes to taxes
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I'm not saying Obama has the right answers-alot of what he say it stupid...but McCain is a total idiot. McCain lives in his sheltered, aristocratic world. At least Obama is acknowledging the problems, though his answers aren't exactly the best ones.
So what you are saying is.....neither one is a good choice?
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"End Tax Breaks for Companies that Send Jobs Overseas: Barack Obama believes that companies should not get billions of dollars in tax deductions for moving their operations overseas. Obama will also fight to ensure that public contracts are awarded to companies that are committed to American workers."
Every time if see this, I ask for specific examples of the tax breaks that corps get for moving jobs/operations overseas. I don't know of any. Do you have any idea what they are or is this just more rhetoric?
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France has a nice standard of 70% government payment, you can choose any Dr. you want; no more waiting than here. Good employer's supply the last 30%. If it's terminal or your poor the French government will pay 100%.
Here, even if you have insurance, and you are terminally ill, your SOL, as you will lose your job, and your insurance.. unless your have a spouse that can work for coverage for you. Health insurance is quite broken in the US, we spend more than ANY country on the planet... to pay for the leech industry of medical insurance. Companies which Dr.'s who work for them have stated that they have denied needed treatment causing death. This is what we should spend our money on? Get a clue, your already paying for the insurance industry through a smaller salary or whatever. We use the most % of GDP of any country on the planet, and we have a huge GDP. I think that is just stupid.
Health Insurance is broken everywhere. But it is especially foolish to think that socialistic health insurance practices are better.
The real problem with Health Insurance is that there is NO solution. Out of all of the "Problems" we face, health care reform will be the most painful. But know this:
If the government screws up everything they touch, everything they have touched, and everything they will touch, it is downright childish to think that handing them Health Care will fix it.
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GO MCCAIN!!!!! :rock :rock :rock :rock :O
-BigBOBCH
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you think ,, but i'm sure :aok