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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Timofei on September 05, 2008, 12:27:59 PM
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Just noticed RedTop's location:
"Central Texas / Northern Mexico..same thing"
Which brings questions:
Who is a Texan ?
Who should really own Texas ?
"In 1821, after the Mexican War of Independence, the territory became a part of the new country.Texas became the northern section of Coahuila y Tejas in 1824. Mexico ended the Spanish policy of allowing only full-blooded Spaniards to settle Texas."
More to read:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_Texas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_Texas)
(Maybe too much to read for reading impaired, sorry )
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/c/c1/Map_of_Coahuila_and_Texas_in_1833.jpg/778px-Map_of_Coahuila_and_Texas_in_1833.jpg)
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*Giggles*
I'm not sure that's what RedTop meant.
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By the rules of the era, the Texans came by their republic fain 'n square.
Sour grapes revisionist history won't get Texas back to Mexico.
Illegal Immigration and Latino revolt might.
;)
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April 21, 1836
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April 21, 1836
In San Jacinto to be more precise.
BTW, thanks for my 7th Grade history refresh.
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By the rules of the era, the Texans came by their republic fain 'n square.
Sour grapes revisionist history won't get Texas back to Mexico.
Illegal Immigration and Latino revolt might.
;)
:aok
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Great, another case of TX-Jealousy.
Kinda reminds me of the good 'ole Mac days.
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*Giggles*
I'm not sure that's what RedTop meant.
I think what RedTop means (in a politically very correct language) is that there are way too many Mexican inhabitants in Texas. But perhaps they are just regaining (peacefully) the land they lost by violence.
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I think what RedTop means (in a politically very correct language) is that there are way too many illegal Mexican inhabitants in Texas. But perhaps they are just regaining (peacefully) the land they lost by violence.
Fixed.
They lost it fair and square. Oh wait, no they didn't, there was a little massacre down in Goliad. I guess you missed that part, too.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Guadalupe_Hidalgo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Guadalupe_Hidalgo)
Perhaps if we'd annexed their entire country, it wouldn't be such a stinking cesspool of corruption that it makes our cesspool of corruption look like a rose garden.
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Wow, this topic degraded quickly.
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If Mexico thinks they lost the territory unfair and unsquare they are more than welcome to try to "Come And Take It" again if they so desire. We could use the practice.
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You mean the Republic of Texas aka "Texas America"?
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..they are more than welcome to try to "Come And Take It" again if they so desire. We could use the practice.
My point is that they are taking it back, peacefully and justifiably.
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If Mexico thinks they lost the territory unfair and unsquare they are more than welcome to try to "Come And Take It" again if they so desire. We could use the practice.
Wait.. lemme get my coonskin cap; and I'll join yah!
If the lil buggers screw with Texas, they'll discover this whole damn county is populated by Texans; no matter where we get our mail.
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My point is that they are taking it back, peacefully and justifiably.
Must have been programmed into their genes. After all, Santa Ana mentioned they (Mexicans) would take back this country (Texas) without firing a single shot.
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My point is that they are taking it back, peacefully and justifiably.
Go ahead, take another hit from the bong, we'll wait for you...
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Go ahead, take another hit from the bong, we'll wait for you...
he's prolly bogartin the damn thing...
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My point is that they are taking it back, peacefully and justifiably.
Your full of chit.
And btw...dont frikin worry about Texas....We can damn sure handle anything that comes up. You read one of the posts that was "Fixed" and youll see exactly what I mean.
edited.....
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Texas is great! We got it all!
Babes!
Beach!
Hunting!
More Babes!
Death Penalty!
Did I forget to mention Babes? :D
Edit: And everything is really pretty in Texas, outside of Austin, it's awesome!
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blah blah I should stick to smokin pot ...justifiably....
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/10/Texas_Flag_Come_and_Take_It.svg/800px-Texas_Flag_Come_and_Take_It.svg.png)
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Texas should just break off from the U.S.. Become it's own country. We got Airforce Bases....HUGE army bases with lots of nice toys to use. We could secure our own borders the way WE see fit. We have our own oil...We have some nuke plants...1 I know of for sure.
We could be come the country of Texas.
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...We could be come the country of Texas.
If we did it would be the second time we've done it. :aok
Word
Mark
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Got a nice stringer there and on really smelly junk bait too.
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If Mexico thinks they lost the territory unfair and unsquare they are more than welcome to try to "Come And Take It" again if they so desire. We could use the practice.
You dont think they are already doing that now?
The Mexican government hasnt exactly discouraged their population from illegally crossing the border.
In some cases they've actually helped them.
They realise they cant beat us militarily.
So they will just peacefully invade us under the guise of "A better life"
I say take our Iraqi And Afghanistan war veterans. and when they rotate back to the states.Rather then subject them to the culture shock of going from a hostile and sometimes intense environment in a war zone to life as normal back in the USA.
Put them along the border for a kind of cooling off and winding down period. Then ease them back into the population.
Its a win win situation.
The border gets guarded. and it will probably help with some of the soldiers lingering mental aspects.
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Why would it belong to Mexico rightfully?
Wouldn't the Amerinds have prior claim?
If they stole it from the Amerinds, do they have a right to whine when we steal it from them?
Fact is, we won it by force of arms. If they want it back, then let them field their troops.
Wab
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My point is that they are taking it back, peacefully and justifiably.
ummm...I have a problem with that statement. I dont see them doing it all peacefully or justifiably with amount of illeagal immigration and what not associated with it. Get rid of all the illeagals in Texas and the rest of America. Hell let those who support illeagal immigration go to mexico as well since they love the people so much and wish to change how we do things in favor of the law breakers. They can apply to come back.
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Texas is great! We got it all!
Babes!
Beach!
Hunting!
More Babes!
Death Penalty!
Did I forget to mention Babes? :D
Edit: And everything is really pretty in Texas, outside of Austin, it's awesome!
Snow Capped Mountains! wait...
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My point is that they are taking it back, peacefully and justifiably.
:rofl
Yeah right........................ .and Madonna is a virgin and Brtitney Spears will receive the Mother Of The Year award for `08.
Step away from the pipe.
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Go ahead, take another hit from the bong, we'll wait for you...
Diablo, he is right...think of it this way,the Mexicans move into Texas by
the millions,they become legal,the have the right to vote,they vote in a Mexican
mayor,city counsel member etc etc... a Mexican is voted in as Governor.
Mexico takes over the state!! Its still owned by the US. but run by Mexicans.
See how that works??
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Snow Capped Mountains! wait...
Franklin Mountains. Next.
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(http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg229/WWhiskey/a-texans-map-of-the-united-states-m.jpg)
there, enough said! :aok
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Franklin Mountains. Next.
7,192 feet?
In order to be snowcapped, you need snow on it year round.
Snowcapped
(http://vulcan.wr.usgs.gov/Imgs/Jpg/Shasta/Images/Shasta05_aerial_mount_shasta_shastina_from_west_12-10-05_med.jpg)
Not snowcapped
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7d/Northfranklinfromelephant2.jpg/300px-Northfranklinfromelephant2.jpg)
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The major reason Texas wanted independency:
Many of the Anglo-American settlers owned slaves. Texas was granted a one-year exemption from Mexico's 1829 edict outlawing slavery but Mexican president Anastasio Bustamante ordered that all slaves be freed in 1830.To circumvent the law, many Anglo colonists converted their slaves into indentured servants for life. By 1836 there were 5,000 slaves in Texas.
In 1836, the Texans adopted a constitution that formally legalized slavery. The Republic of Texas included the area of the present state of Texas, and additional unoccupied territory to the west and northwest. Most Texans wanted their Republic to be annexed into the United States. However, strong abolitionist opposition to adding a slave state blocked Texas's admission until pro-annexation James K. Polk won the election of 1844.
The Nueces massacre was a violent confrontation between Confederate soldiers and German Texans on August 10, 1862 in Kinney County, Texas.
German Texans tended to support the Union and had few slaves. Gillespie and other central Hill Country counties had voted against secession. By August 1862, a party of 61 German Texans from the Hill Country counties, who were fleeing to Mexico, was overtaken by the Texas Confederate cavalrymen on the Nueces River. Shots were fired and as a result 34 German Texans were killed, with some being executed after being taken prisoner. The Germans from Central Texas were fortunate to avoid such violence. They successfully traveled to Mexico City under the leadership of Paul Machemehl of Austin County.
The Treüe der Union ("True to the Union") monument to the German Texans slain at the Nueces massacre was dedicated on August 10, 1866 and sits in Comfort, where the remains of the Unionists are interred. It is the oldest Civil War monument in Texas and the only one dedicated to Union sympathizers in all of the former Confederate States of America (apart from national cemeteries).
Sources, look Wikipedia or book. I'm too tired to argue with hicks right now.
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Did the Mexicans not steal that territory from the Amerinds? Yes or No.
Wab
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My point is that they are taking it back, peacefully and justifiably.
I gotta ask.....since Texas won their independence from Mexico without outside help, just how is Mexico justified in taking it back?
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By the rules of the era, the Texans came by their republic fain 'n square.
Sour grapes revisionist history won't get Texas back to Mexico.
Illegal Immigration and Latino revolt might.
;)
Yep, and no more than Native Americans ever
getting THEIR territories back. Hmmm,makes me
think of another "Iron Maiden" song.
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Why would it belong to Mexico rightfully?
Wouldn't the Amerinds have prior claim?
If they stole it from the Amerinds, do they have a right to whine when we steal it from them?
Fact is, we won it by force of arms. If they want it back, then let them field their troops.
Wab
Perhaps the Apache, Comanche, Tonkawa, and Hasinai tribes have the prior claim.
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Perhaps the Apache, Comanche, Tonkawa, and Hasinai tribes have the prior claim.
So, then by your own admission, Mexico doesn't have a legitimate claim to stand on. Q.E.D.
"Mommy...Mommy...big bad Anglo's stole the land from us that we stole from the Indians!"
Suck it up Princess.
:rolleyes:,
Wab
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Perhaps the Apache, Comanche, Tonkawa, and Hasinai tribes have the prior claim.
They got casinos?
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I love liberals...they keep kleenex in business.
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Timofei's location is:Soon in Texas. Coming in from the south by chance?
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Side Note: WHY does HTC permit pot leaf icons and drug-related names like bongaroo and 420ace?
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Side Note: WHY does HTC permit pot leaf icons and drug-related names like bongaroo and 420ace?
Do like yossarian does when offended......cry to mods. :lol
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here we go, since I am a PROUD Texan (born and raised) I decided to throw in my $.02 worth.
Before I start, in an effort to prevent the personal attacks some on this board love to engage in, let me say what my perspective is.
Texas is simply the greatest land in the entire world. I am thankful that the good lord blessed me by being born and living in the Lone Star State. Texas should remain "as is" despite the fact that indepedence does sound so appealing.
Having said that,
1. We (USA) did steal it from Mexico. Yes, we would like to think the "Texans" did it, but i would invite all of you to visit the Alamo (I live in San Antonio) and see the posters promising land to all Americans who fight for Texas. I would also invite you all to see the STATE flags that hang in the hall of heroes, which are from every US state imaginable. The Texas war of Independence was a mercenary war by the USA. It happens get over it.
2. Mexico has NEVER made a claim to regain Texas in any international court or organization.
3. Illegal immigrants flee Mexico because they cant make a decent living there, so, they don't want to turn it into what they left. I know many of you with GE D's will want to argue this point, please don't.
4. The ignorant will scream "They are taking Texas back" just like they scream about the Irish, Japanese, Chinese, catholics, Italians, etc, etc.
5. When a "Mexican" comes here and gets the right to vote and he votes in another "Mexican" blah, blah, blah, blah. When any person gets the right to vote it is because he/she is an AMERICAN citizen. You cannot be a governor, major, etc, without being am AMERICAN citizen. What these people are complaining about is a person of Hispanic heritage voting or holding office. That is textbook racism.
6. Just my opinion.
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I like Texas. But it is filled with Mexicans. Might as well be Mexico.
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Do like yossarian does when offended......cry to mods. :lol
LOL Not me... I have popped an email to a mod ONCE but it wasn't over being offended it was over his/her moderating job. I suppose it is a good thing they use the Doper signs and names so that we can spot them easily... Kinda like Bill Engvall's "Here's your sign!" At least it points out why they say the stupid things they are saying.
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I say we rise up and patrol Texas with WWII planes :D
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Texas should just break off from the U.S.. Become it's own country. We got Airforce Bases....HUGE army bases with lots of nice toys to use. We could secure our own borders the way WE see fit. We have our own oil...We have some nuke plants...1 I know of for sure.
We could be come the country of Texas.
Biggest military installation in America is in Texas I think. Fort Hood.
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The major reason Texas wanted independency:
Many of the Anglo-American settlers owned slaves. Texas was granted a one-year exemption from Mexico's 1829 edict outlawing slavery but Mexican president Anastasio Bustamante ordered that all slaves be freed in 1830.To circumvent the law, many Anglo colonists converted their slaves into indentured servants for life. By 1836 there were 5,000 slaves in Texas.
In 1836, the Texans adopted a constitution that formally legalized slavery. The Republic of Texas included the area of the present state of Texas, and additional unoccupied territory to the west and northwest. Most Texans wanted their Republic to be annexed into the United States. However, strong abolitionist opposition to adding a slave state blocked Texas's admission until pro-annexation James K. Polk won the election of 1844.
The Nueces massacre was a violent confrontation between Confederate soldiers and German Texans on August 10, 1862 in Kinney County, Texas.
German Texans tended to support the Union and had few slaves. Gillespie and other central Hill Country counties had voted against secession. By August 1862, a party of 61 German Texans from the Hill Country counties, who were fleeing to Mexico, was overtaken by the Texas Confederate cavalrymen on the Nueces River. Shots were fired and as a result 34 German Texans were killed, with some being executed after being taken prisoner. The Germans from Central Texas were fortunate to avoid such violence. They successfully traveled to Mexico City under the leadership of Paul Machemehl of Austin County.
The Treüe der Union ("True to the Union") monument to the German Texans slain at the Nueces massacre was dedicated on August 10, 1866 and sits in Comfort, where the remains of the Unionists are interred. It is the oldest Civil War monument in Texas and the only one dedicated to Union sympathizers in all of the former Confederate States of America (apart from national cemeteries).
Sources, look Wikipedia or book. I'm too tired to argue with hicks right now.
One of the worst atrocities of the Civil War in Texas happened to a family that first settled about 2 or 3 miles from where I live. I think it was a guy whose last name was Sawyer, his brother, step brother, and 2 others were on their way to Mexico, when a group of confederates caught them. They then after getting drunk hung them. (not like kicking off the horse and breaking your neck, actually roping them up on the ground and letting them suffocate.) I dont know if it was ever charged though.
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Ninety percent of mexicans are native american, that is why they're brown. Mestizos. Mexican isn't a race.
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Ninety percent of mexicans are native american, that is why they're brown. Mestizos. Mexican isn't a race.
Try telling that to them.
"Viva La Raza!"
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here we go, since I am a PROUD Texan (born and raised) I decided to throw in my $.02 worth.
Before I start, in an effort to prevent the personal attacks some on this board love to engage in, let me say what my perspective is.
Texas is simply the greatest land in the entire world. I am thankful that the good lord blessed me by being born and living in the Lone Star State. Texas should remain "as is" despite the fact that indepedence does sound so appealing.
Having said that,
1. We (USA) did steal it from Mexico. Yes, we would like to think the "Texans" did it, but i would invite all of you to visit the Alamo (I live in San Antonio) and see the posters promising land to all Americans who fight for Texas. I would also invite you all to see the STATE flags that hang in the hall of heroes, which are from every US state imaginable. The Texas war of Independence was a mercenary war by the USA. It happens get over it.
2. Mexico has NEVER made a claim to regain Texas in any international court or organization.
3. Illegal immigrants flee Mexico because they cant make a decent living there, so, they don't want to turn it into what they left. I know many of you with GE D's will want to argue this point, please don't.
4. The ignorant will scream "They are taking Texas back" just like they scream about the Irish, Japanese, Chinese, catholics, Italians, etc, etc.
5. When a "Mexican" comes here and gets the right to vote and he votes in another "Mexican" blah, blah, blah, blah. When any person gets the right to vote it is because he/she is an AMERICAN citizen. You cannot be a governor, major, etc, without being am AMERICAN citizen. What these people are complaining about is a person of Hispanic heritage voting or holding office. That is textbook racism.
6. Just my opinion.
Hi pxdig,
After a long line of snide remarks and knee-jerk reactions in this thread , this was actually the first intelligent and articulated reply. I don't really disagree on anything you said above.
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Side Note: WHY does HTC permit pot leaf icons and drug-related names like bongaroo and 420ace?
Because the Constitution of The United States allows freedom of speech. Sorry if that does'nt fit into your little view of freedom. Maybe a swastika would be more acceptable?
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I say we rise up and patrol Texas with WWII planes :D
We already use CAF B-17's to strike litter suspects. What more do ya want?
Sidebar: Props to the guy that finds the "Don't Mess With Texas" PSA with the CAF B-17.
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All I could find was a reference to it :( I couldn't find any video :cry
1991:
In the Confederate Air Force spot, an ominous B-17 rises over the horizon as litter is tossed out the window of a pickup truck on a lonely Texas highway. “Let’s make an impression on this guy,” says the pilot
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Because the Constitution of The United States allows freedom of speech. Sorry if that does'nt fit into your little view of freedom. Maybe a swastika would be more acceptable?
This is a private message board, freedom of speech and the US Constitution don't apply here. HTC makes the rules here, not our founding fathers. :aok
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7,192 feet?
In order to be snowcapped, you need snow on it year round.
Ummmmmmmm....yeah.......right . :rofl
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Because the Constitution of The United States allows freedom of speech. Sorry if that does'nt fit into your little view of freedom. Maybe a swastika would be more acceptable?
Really, then i challenge you to put a nude pic up as your avitard. How about the N word? C'mon freedom of speech and all.
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OK lets see? Why don't Texas break away from the union and go ahead and take Mexico and send all the rest of the Mexicans to south America? That would be fun.
We won this state fair and square just like the post before me says. Maybe not at the Alamo but at San Jacinto we sent them Packing.
I'm a Texan Born and Raised
<---- Grabs coon skin hat and joins the others. :salute
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[hijack] Red, we recently got a brigade of the big red one here at Ft. Hood. It's been awesome. :aok [/hijack]
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<---- Grabs coon skin hat and joins the others. :salute
I am trying to decide between this big ole blade and the sword.
Decisions, decisions.
I do like to draw lines in the sand though. ;)
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M16 with a 10" bayonet Jackal :aok
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sweet then round them up we will make a Big Red One Texas Division and we'll get the job done.
I was with the B.R.O. For 2 years with the 1/33rd F.A. MLRS--C-Batt,