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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: Yossarian on September 17, 2008, 03:42:48 PM
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Well, someone just bumped that He-111 thread, and I decided that it's been way too long since the last A-26 request. So, here goes:
(http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/middle/9/5/6/1374659.jpg)
Here's a link to a very recent post with videos about the A-26:
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,247368.0.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,247368.0.html)
And here's the video website itself:
http://www.zenoswarbirdvideos.com/MATINEE.html (http://www.zenoswarbirdvideos.com/MATINEE.html)
Now, as for why I think we should have this aeroplane next:
a) It came out in 3rd place in the vote HiTech Creations held, below the B-25 (first place) and the P-39 (second place). We have had both the B-25 and P-39 added already, so it would make sense that the A-26 be added next. After that, in my opinion the other planes in the vote should be added, according to what people wanted the most. The results of that vote are in this thread:
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,202838.0.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,202838.0.html)
b) It would be a very popular aeroplane amongst many players. Whilst I am aware that there are a lot of people who want the He-111, the speed, survivability and firepower of the A-26 Invader would give it a very prominent role as a light bomber.
c) The A-26 is a good enough aeroplane in my view that it would be worthy of a perk point price. If this were the case, it would give us all a much-needed way to spend our bomber perks (aside from the Ar-234).
If anyone is interested about finding out more about this plane, here are some links that contain information on it:
http://www.warbirdalley.com/a26.htm (http://www.warbirdalley.com/a26.htm)
http://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/detail.asp?aircraft_id=91 (http://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/detail.asp?aircraft_id=91)
http://members.tripod.com/a26invader/ (http://members.tripod.com/a26invader/)
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I think we have enough US hardware in the game to last us a bit. Time for some other nations to get some added loving.
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I think we have enough US hardware in the game to last us a bit. Time for some other nations to get some added loving.
Well the results of that vote would seem to say otherwise ;)
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It would be nice to have something to spend bomber perks on. The AR-234 is not much fun and kind of useless.
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Well the results of that vote would seem to say otherwise ;)
Votes are irrelevant. If we left it up to voting we'd have nearly 100% American aircraft right now. Game design is not a democratic process.
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Yeah, you can't let the majority have what they want, it's what Karnak wants that's important! :rolleyes:
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Yeah, you can't let the majority have what they want, it's what Karnak wants that's important! :rolleyes:
Actually I think representation is important in a second world war flight sim game, and there are plently of countries needing more of it. Especially since the US joined the party mid way through ;) :D.
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I'd be all for it. I think missing the A-26 is just another of AH's gaping holes (I-16... :pray). Anyway, I really don't care what the order is... just keep bringing us new planes (and vehicles) we don't have yet.
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I'd be all for it. I think missing the A-26 is just another of AH's gaping holes (I-16... :pray). Anyway, I really don't care what the order is... just keep bringing us new planes (and vehicles) we don't have yet.
Panther He-111 Hs-123 Hs-129 G-55. That just some of the planes we need
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Yeah, you can't let the majority have what they want, it's what Karnak wants that's important! :rolleyes:
Nah, I don't post lists of what I actually want, I post lists of what I think would be good for the game. I think the Soccer War would get boring pretty fast.
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I would love to have the A-26. :aok
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Local collector & restorer of WWII birds just bought this one here in Urbana Ohio. (http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/3808/0003814px4.th.jpg) (http://img258.imageshack.us/my.php?image=0003814px4.jpg) (http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/742/0003820fu2.th.jpg) (http://img258.imageshack.us/my.php?image=0003820fu2.jpg)
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Sure we can have the A-26. After the HE-111, SM 79, and the Japanese Betty.
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It's never been too long since an A26 request.
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Amen! :)
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Yes, we do need the A-26. we need something else to spend bomber perks on besides the Ar234. As far as U.S. planes being over represented, we someone else said that "game design is not a democratic process".
In way it is, as a REPRESENTATIVE democracy, since HTC is a U.S> firm in the U.S. employing many U.S. citizens to support a largely U.S. client base (based on # of single country players). So if the U.S. planes are over represented: :cry NOT!
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In this game you are wrong every were i go i see a P-51 or Hellcat want axis planes 2 be added every 1 know that even HTC much know.
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:aok :aok :aok :aok for the A-26
Yes we need some balance between countries but we also need to spend bomber perks on something fun! :rock
~I WANT IT ALL ~I WANT IT ALLLL
~& I WANNIT NOW!
:pray
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:aok :aok :aok :aok for the A-26
Yes we need some balance between countries but we also need to spend bomber perks on something fun! :rock
~I WANT IT ALL ~I WANT IT ALLLL
~& I WANNIT NOW!
:pray
And I LIKE this attitude (well, perhaps a little less gimme gimme gimme, but still...)
However, as always:
HTC, thanks for the great new stuff you've added :rock :D :aok
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Panther He-111 Hs-123 Hs-129 G-55. That just some of the planes we need
add at the end of that the 234,177,and the a-26
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build it and they will come :D
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Enough with the USA planes!! .....gee whiz ...how about some Russian and Japanese birds????????????? :mad:
Helm ...out
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Enough with the USA planes!! .....gee whiz ...how about some Russian and Japanese birds????????????? :mad:
Helm ...out
Everyone is entitled to their own opinions... :D ;)
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Bristol Beaufighter would make far more sense 1940-45 use, every theater of operations, multiple variants, carries every piece of ord a fun police driver could want, and has 4 cannons for the crowd that needs to over compensate.
And it looks really tough.
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Ummmm, no more U.S. bombers until we get some more axis bombers, please. :pray
There is only one axis aircraft with a payload large enough to be a called a medium bomber, the Ju-88.
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A-26 is awesome.
When I was little, a guy flew an A-26 at our Airport, my dad was good friends with the pilot and mechanic, we even got to fly in it. (it has a LOT of power behind the wheel.)
Edit: Here it is.
(http://www.commemorativeairforce.org/gallery/acgallery/fullsize/A-26_fs.jpg)
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A-26 is awesome.
Period.
We should just go down the line and add the planes as they have been voted.
But i am also likeing this update of all the old models.
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We should just go down the line and add the planes as they have been voted.
No. Aircraft should be added according to their value for filling in scenario gaps. We already have everything we need for the main arena.
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We already have everything we need for the main arena.
Really? Who is this "we" person you speak of? Add the A-26. :aok
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lol "we" the people speak for "you" the people.
:rock
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A-26 is awesome.
Period.
We should just go down the line and add the planes as they have been voted.
But i am also likeing this update of all the old models.
Agreed
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While I think the "fun factor" of the A-26 is awesome :rock and would make alot of ppl happy, planes should rightfully be accorded priority more because of historical impact.
I-16,I-153, He111,He 177,Ju52, B-29, Hawk 75,PBY-5, Beaufighter, Seafire, Ki-43/44/45/100, D.520,MS 406,MB 152, ,Pe2, TU-2, Mig-3,P-63A, Yak-1/3, Me410,P-40N,, CR.32 all played a bigger part in the conflict to name a few (IMHO).
If it were all about fun we'd see the A-26, P-80,F8F and F7F before "2 weeks" were up. I flew some 190 sorties just because they are so similar to F8F and helped inspire the design! I'll go out on a limb and guess the Bearcat would have turned much better...*sigh
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I think people that say we have to much US hardware in the game forget that lendlease was a big deal.
The reason the americans are so well represented here is that we produced most of the war winners, provided ALOT of hardware for our allies, and produced alot of excelent A/C in each class (fighter,bomber,meduim bomber,e.t.c.)
That said, sooner or later the A-26 is gonna be in the game, its at-least useful in the MA where the grand majority of players spend thier time, if not dominate.
Toodles :aok
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I like the idea of the A-26, however I have an idea myself!
What about more versions of the A-20! You know... other versions had 20mm cannons and different ordnance loadouts!
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Im all for the A-26 after we get a Russian level bomber.
Hopefully somewhere in the master plan is another perk bomber. We do need another perk bomber, "maybe after the TU-2". :uhoh
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Well, someone just bumped that He-111 thread, and I decided that it's been way too long since the last A-26 request. So, here goes:
(http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/middle/9/5/6/1374659.jpg)
Here's a link to a very recent post with videos about the A-26:
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,247368.0.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,247368.0.html)
And here's the video website itself:
http://www.zenoswarbirdvideos.com/MATINEE.html (http://www.zenoswarbirdvideos.com/MATINEE.html)
Now, as for why I think we should have this aeroplane next:
a) It came out in 3rd place in the vote HiTech Creations held, below the B-25 (first place) and the P-39 (second place). We have had both the B-25 and P-39 added already, so it would make sense that the A-26 be added next. After that, in my opinion the other planes in the vote should be added, according to what people wanted the most. The results of that vote are in this thread:
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,202838.0.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,202838.0.html)
b) It would be a very popular aeroplane amongst many players. Whilst I am aware that there are a lot of people who want the He-111, the speed, survivability and firepower of the A-26 Invader would give it a very prominent role as a light bomber.
c) The A-26 is a good enough aeroplane in my view that it would be worthy of a perk point price. If this were the case, it would give us all a much-needed way to spend our bomber perks (aside from the Ar-234).
If anyone is interested about finding out more about this plane, here are some links that contain information on it:
http://www.warbirdalley.com/a26.htm (http://www.warbirdalley.com/a26.htm)
http://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/detail.asp?aircraft_id=91 (http://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/detail.asp?aircraft_id=91)
http://members.tripod.com/a26invader/ (http://members.tripod.com/a26invader/)
Hey! What the pfargtl!
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YES!...... To the HE-111 that is. :D
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Hey! What the pfargtl!
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And Denholm, this is an A-26 thread... your He-111 thread is somewhere over there ---->
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Nice hijack Denholm. And skymimo.... please seek professional help.
And yes again to the A-26. :D
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Haha! I just noticed Yossarian beat me to it by 14 seconds! Way to go sir. :salute
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I would love to see more Ground attack AC's "TANK BUSTERS"!! :salute
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Although i would like to see the Invader in AH, I would rather see more Japanese, Russian, and Italian aircraft. There are some major gaps that need to be filled.
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And Denholm, this is an A-26 thread... your He-111 thread is somewhere over there ---->
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Invader's a killer airplane, But I'd like to see more Japanese or Russian bombers first.
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Well, we're all entitled to our own opinions... :)
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I voted for the A26 all the way through when we could vote. I figured it would be in the game by now because it did so well in the vote. So with that said...give me the A26 and free the 14!
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I voted for the A26 all the way through when we could vote. I figured it would be in the game by now because it did so well in the vote. So with that said...give me the A26 and free the 14!
Just out of interest...what is the 14? :o
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The problem with a lot of the requests is the minimal value outside scenario's. The Betty and the 111 probably lead the pack in that aspect. The Judy would be a much more widely used plane in the MA and have strong scenario/FSO value as well. I'd love to see the A-26 modeled (and its probably inevitable at some point). The big problem in the "perk bomber" catagory is the fact that there isnt one. No other nation had any truly competitive bombers to the US and the B-29 has no real place in a tactical game. The argument for the Pe-2 would be speed but the ki-67 is a better combination of speed and defensive firepower. If the Peggy isnt perked how would you perk the Pe-2.
Realistically the A-26 is one of the few possible options for a "perk" bomber. However you could provide historical load outs for the A-20 that would fill the same niche. The simple reality is that you actually have very few planes left to model that will have a major impact on the game, the G.55 easily being the #1 candidate with the Me-410 and A-26 probably next.
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The possible exception here is the Tu-2, it's got speed, bomb load and 2 x 20mm wing mounted cannon. No clue what actual performance ammo load out etc is with external stores....but it might be a good alternative to the A-26 as well.
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Just out of interest...what is the 14? :o
Spitfire MkXIV. It should be unperked.
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I voted for the A26 all the way through when we could vote. I figured it would be in the game by now because it did so well in the vote. So with that said...give me the A26 and free the 14!
The A-26 was also available in the original "Air Warrior" game. It was a most popular plane to fly in Air Warrior.
Buff pilots really do need to have another perk option. Heck, even GV'er have 3 perk options now available to them. And look at all of the perked fighter aircraft that are available.
This really is an imbalance that exists in the game. And the best way to fix it, would be to bring back in the A-26 Invader to the game.
If they do, I would really like to see the version that we had back in Air Warrior, with the 8 .50 caliber gun nose. That model had two columns of 4 .50's in the nose.
If you have never seen what this looks like, here is a photo of a beautifully restored A-26, that shows off the nose guns very well:
(http://lh5.ggpht.com/_eBIKKzEETew/Rwkg4K3reCI/AAAAAAAADOY/jB62DLE6xKI/_MG_5337_invader.jpg)
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Here is another great view of the 8 gun nose package on an Invader:
(http://www.militaryimages.net/photopost/data/606/A-26B_Invader_Nose_Art_from_WWII_days.jpg)
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I would love to see more Ground attack AC's "TANK BUSTERS"!! :salute
Yeah exactly what we need, another plane that some clown can up with the sole purpose of ruining a running tank battle. That said I am all in favor of it being added but with a goodly perk price.
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Stop with the perk thing because the A26 is not that good. It is better than the A20 in some ways but it shouldn't be perked. It's more of an attack AC anyway so I will die alot.
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Stop with the perk thing because the A26 is not that good. It is better than the A20 in some ways but it shouldn't be perked. It's more of an attack AC anyway so I will die alot.
Well, compared to other bombers it will be very good, which IMO is a reason for it being perked (if and when we get it).
Also, just because it's an attack plane doesn't mean you're going to get killed a lot in it.
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Yossarian
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IIRC, couldn't the plane go like 380 mph? It's been a while since I've read up on the A-26. Actually, like 5 or 6 years.
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Specifications (A-26B):
Engines: Two 2000hp Pratt & Whitney R-2800-79 radial piston engines
Weight: Empty 22,370 lbs., Maximum Takeoff 35,000 lbs.
Wing Span: 70ft. 0in.
Length: 50ft. 9in.
Height: 18ft. 6in.
Performance:
Maximum Speed at 15,000 ft: 355 mph
Ceiling: 22,100 ft
Range: 1,400 miles
Armament:
Six 12.7mm (0.5 in.) machine guns in nose
Two 12.7mm (0.5 in.) machine guns each in ventral and dorsal turrets
6000 lbs. of bombs
Eight 127mm (5-inch) rockets
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Specifications (A-26B):
Engines: Two 2000hp Pratt & Whitney R-2800-79 radial piston engines
Weight: Empty 22,370 lbs., Maximum Takeoff 35,000 lbs.
Wing Span: 70ft. 0in.
Length: 50ft. 9in.
Height: 18ft. 6in.
Performance:
Maximum Speed at 15,000 ft: 355 mph
Ceiling: 22,100 ft
Range: 1,400 miles
Armament:
Six 12.7mm (0.5 in.) machine guns in nose
Two 12.7mm (0.5 in.) machine guns each in ventral and dorsal turrets
6000 lbs. of bombs
Eight 127mm (5-inch) rockets
No need for it.
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No need for it.
No need for you.
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No need for you.
Yes there is. More axis planes then A-26 only fair.
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Yes there is. More axis planes then A-26 only fair.
This has nothing to do with fairness. It has to do with balance within the game. You are totally missing the point that is being argued here.
Bomber pilots have only the Arado 234 to spend their perk points on. The Invader would be a much more versatile and useful tool than the Arado.
This is clearly discrimination against Bomber pilots. Unfortunately, we are not a protected class under Federal Civil Rights laws, so we cannot sue over this discrimination. All we can do is cry about how unappreciated we are: :cry :cry :cry
I guess I will just have to keep flying my Marauders.
I sure loved flying the Invader back in the old Air Warrior days, though.........
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This has nothing to do with fairness. It has to do with balance within the game. You are totally missing the point that is being argued here.
Bomber pilots have only the Arado 234 to spend their perk points on. The Invader would be a much more versatile and useful tool than the Arado.
This is clearly discrimination against Bomber pilots. Unfortunately, we are not a protected class under Federal Civil Rights laws, so we cannot sue over this discrimination. All we can do is cry about how unappreciated we are: :cry :cry :cry
I guess I will just have to keep flying my Marauders.
I sure loved flying the Invader back in the old Air Warrior days, though.........
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The only thing that this plane has to contend with in the wish list is the HE-111. How could that be prejudice twords bombers?
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:huh You got the B-25J with a 75mm gun that do it. Ask me USA doesn't need really any more planes to be added maybe later on but the Axis need them more.
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Yeah exactly what we need, another plane that some clown can up with the sole purpose of ruining a running tank battle. That said I am all in favor of it being added but with a goodly perk price.
As compared to what? 48,000 lb 3somes of LancStukas already dropping on tanks battles and CVs like use once and throw away pampers daipers?
Or my all time favorite. The fire and forget JU-torpedo express. Why would anyone risk perk points when the same stupidity can be accomplished with free airplanes?
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The only thing that this plane has to contend with in the wish list is the HE-111. How could that be prejudice twords bombers?
Again, you are also totally missing the point here. Many Buff pilots like myself want another perk option other than the lame Arado 234. Tell me, how often do you even see folks flying the Arado????
The HE-111 is a most mediocre plane. It is quite slow, and can only carry 2,000 kg of bombs. It is totally inferior to the JU 88 that replaced it. What is there to get excited about??
I agree that the HE-111 would be a great plane to have for flying historical scenarios. And I'm certainly not against adding it for that very reason. But to be frank, that is the only time that it would ever be used. No one would ever choose it in normal game play over either the JU 88 or the B-26. It would clearly be the least flown bomber.
So while I agree that the HE-111 would be good to add, I'm extremely confident that demand for the A-26 is far, far higher. It thus should get priority.
There was no perk to fly it in Air Warrior. I thus flew it all the time.
Do you and Glock even fly Buffs in the game?? I sort of doubt it from the comments you have both made.
The A-26 would be an NOE attack bomber from Hell. It could keep up well in speed with fighters while flying in the mission ( totally unlike other current medium bombers ), and then deliver a punishing payload on a base or a town. To me, it would be a perfect no-brainer solution to the current lack of perk bombers.
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A-26 should be added later not now later to many Allies mostly USA planes be added to HTC so far so it only fair for the Axis 2 get the B-29. If Allies get the A-26 then you want the B-29 then the P-40N would be added. You see were im going with this. He-111 Do-17 Do-217 Me-410 Ki-45 and Fiat G 50 Fait G 55 need to be added before the A-26 etc etc.
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A-26 should be added later not now later to many Allies mostly USA planes be added to HTC so far so it only fair for the Axis 2 get the B-29. If Allies get the A-26 then you want the B-29 then the P-40N would be added. You see were im going with this. He-111 Do-17 Do-217 Me-410 Ki-45 and Fiat G 50 Fait G 55 need to be added before the A-26 etc etc.
Most people playing this game are not into the Axis vs Allies thing. At least that is what I have observed so far. What percentage of Aces High II squads exclusively fly planes of just one side??
You need to stop fighting WWII, and enjoy flying all the various planes.
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Most people playing this game are not into the Axis vs Allies thing. At least that is what I have observed so far. What percentage of Aces High II squads exclusively fly planes of just one side??
You need to stop fighting WWII, and enjoy flying all the various planes.
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We need more then just Allies types of planes in here you know that every 1 know that. Me-410 would be great to have same with the A-26 but it need 2 be even out USA got 9 bombers while the Axis only really got 3. Do you see the A-26 would be great after it even out here.
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We need more then just Allies types of planes in here you know that every 1 know that.
Again, most folks playing this game are not continuing to fight the war, and thus use a mixture of planes from different nations. And that is a fact.
What bombers do you currently fly in the game, and why do you choose to use them? How would adding the HE-111 improve your gaming experience in any way at all??
Most of the planes that you listed are not even bombers. You are totally ignoring the fact that bomber pilots have no decent perked planes to fly. That is the reason why the A-26 should be added.
Does anyone know if the programmers that created Aces High II are the same people that programmed Air Warrior???
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And just what are these uber effective axis bombers you speak of? Last time I checked the Allies always had the superior bombers of WWII. Get it through your thick skull, there are no worth while axis bombers that will effect the game (minus the He-111 which I aslo want just to be able to fly).
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We need more then just Allies types of planes in here you know that every 1 know that. Me-410 would be great to have same with the A-26 but it need 2 be even out USA got 9 bombers while the Axis only really got 3. Do you see the A-26 would be great after it even out here.
Why does it 'need' to be?
:huh You got the B-25J with a 75mm gun that do it. Ask me USA doesn't need really any more planes to be added maybe later on but the Axis need them more.
And it's the B-25H that has the 75mm in it (at least in the game). Despite my habit of taking on fighters in my B-25H, I do not consider it a perkable aeroplane largely due to the fact that most people have no hope in it versus many fighters.
Of course there was that silly Seafire that HO'ed me.... :devil
TwinEng, no I do not think they are the same programmers. I think some members of HTC may have been involved in WarBirds, but I'm not at all sure about that.
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Yossarian
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Again, most folks playing this game are not continuing to fight the war, and thus use a mixture of planes from different nations. And that is a fact.
What bombers do you currently fly in the game, and why do you choose to use them? How would adding the HE-111 improve your gaming experience in any way at all??
Most of the planes that you listed are not even bombers. You are totally ignoring the fact that bomber pilots have no decent perked planes to fly. That is the reason why the A-26 should be added.
Does anyone know if the programmers that created Aces High II are the same people that programmed Air Warrior???
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All you want is some GV killing plane but what the people like me who want a Axis plane to be added? Really look at this You the B-17 B-24 B-25 3 different types B-26 plus the P-39 witch wasn't added that long ago Do you see there alot more planes that need to be added. HTC has a lot of USA planes and bombers but the axis really don't You know what would be a great GV killer the Hs-129 oh but wait it German so you think it crap I would fly it and the A-26 it they were added.
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All you want is some GV killing plane but what the people like me who want a Axis plane to be added? Really look at this You the B-17 B-24 B-25 3 different types B-26 plus the P-39 witch wasn't added that long ago Do you see there alot more planes that need to be added. HTC has a lot of USA planes and bombers but the axis really don't You know what would be a great GV killer the Hs-129 oh but wait it German so you think it crap I would fly it and the A-26 it they were added.
Now Glock you are putting words into my mouth. I really resent this dishonest approach that you are taking here. I never said any such thing about killing GV's Those comments were made by others in this thread, not me. First, you don't respond to any of my questions that I ask you. So you are obviously not willing to engage in an honest dialogue. Then, you now make up a totally false claim here that I want the plane for GV killing, and also say untrue things in the other thread here in this forum about my wanting to have the B-29. Why are you making up such fabrications and saying things about me that you have no reason to believe are true???
If you were actually carefully reading what I have said about the Invader, you would see that I already stated here in this thread that I see it as an awesome attack plane for attacking bases and towns. You are either being extremely negligent in reading my posts, or you are deliberately trying to confuse matters.
However, in reality, it is apparently you who is confused here. Unless, of course, you are deliberately making up your untrue statements about what I have said.
I've repeatedly made my case for why the Invader should be added. Please go back and read my earlier posts.
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+1 for the A26.
I think the A26 would actually get used in game. Glock's HE-111 would just sit in the hanger.
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Yeah exactly what we need, another plane that some clown can up with the sole purpose of ruining a running tank battle. That said I am all in favor of it being added but with a goodly perk price.
I promise if we get A26 i will never ever hunt gvs with it. it will be used exclusivly for fighter pawnage :devil
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Formations of A-26s would be lethal on CVs. A strike bomber 70 mph faster then 26s carrying 2,000lb of extra ords? Able to climb to alt so much faster? Certainly as fast as the KI-67. Already B-26s in the right hands are lethal against CVs but the A-26 would be doubly so.
It might actually force guys to fly CAP over CVs to protect them, much as it was done during the war itself. As a perked bomber the A-26 would be a success and without the accompanying whining and sniveling of a B-29 coming on-Line.
Highly perked 29s, only able to up from the 3 major fields, would hardly make a dent in the game, "other then reinvigorating bomber squadrons".
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Now Glock you are putting words into my mouth. I really resent this dishonest approach that you are taking here. I never said any such thing about killing GV's Those comments were made by others in this thread, not me. First, you don't respond to any of my questions that I ask you. So you are obviously not willing to engage in an honest dialogue. Then, you now make up a totally false claim here that I want the plane for GV killing, and also say untrue things in the other thread here in this forum about my wanting to have the B-29. Why are you making up such fabrications and saying things about me that you have no reason to believe are true???
If you were actually carefully reading what I have said about the Invader, you would see that I already stated here in this thread that I see it as an awesome attack plane for attacking bases and towns. You are either being extremely negligent in reading my posts, or you are deliberately trying to confuse matters.
However, in reality, it is apparently you who is confused here. Unless, of course, you are deliberately making up your untrue statements about what I have said.
I've repeatedly made my case for why the Invader should be added. Please go back and read my earlier posts.
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Why don't you stop fighting this war and let some axis planes be added.
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As compared to what? 48,000 lb 3somes of LancStukas already dropping on tanks battles and CVs like use once and throw away pampers daipers?
Or my all time favorite. The fire and forget JU-torpedo express. Why would anyone risk perk points when the same stupidity can be accomplished with free airplanes?
I am not seeing that anymore- the LancStukas anyway. First time I had seen it in months was last week and all three Lancs were shot down by a Wirbel before they could drop there bombs. A smaller, much faster (than the Lancs) A26 would be even more deadly to GVs than the plane that scares me the most when I am in a tank, the A20. It is after all a better A20. You second post pretty much helps make this argument.
<S> bombrich
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Why don't you stop fighting this war and let some axis planes be added.
Why don't you stop being so very rude, and saying untrue things about other people???
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Why don't you stop being so very rude, and saying untrue things about other people???
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:lol
Seriously though, needs more axis bombers.
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Why don't you stop being so very rude, and saying untrue things about other people???
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:huh :huh :huh?
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Why don't you stop fighting this war and let some axis planes be added.
Because the He-111 and the A-26 will be added in it's own time. No offense, but the He-111 sucks. As soon as we do get it, you'll just call it a POS. (remember the P-39?)
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glock, get some fresh air. You must have close to 100 posts on this week alone, and just about all of them being in this forum.
On topic, I think we could deff. see this, but in the not-so-near future.
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glock, get some fresh air. You must have close to 100 posts on this week alone, and just about all of them being in this forum.
On topic, I think we could deff. see this, but in the not-so-near future.
Just saying there really no need for the A-26 2 be added now. Later on when we get some new GVs. :devil
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Just saying there really no need for the A-26 2 be added now. Later on when we get some new GVs. :devil
Didn't you say earlier in this thread you wanted axis bombers?
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I fly the 39 all the time.
Do not blame me wanting it for years on the fact you are unable or unwilling to fly it in combat.
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Anything with wings engines and a few guns = :aok
So quit pushin' your planes agenda in someone elses WISH post.
Last time i checked it was called a wishlist, not a debate list.
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If we get the King Tiger (or the IS-whatever), then we should automatically get the A-26. :devil
The reciprocal is not true.
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Didn't you say earlier in this thread you wanted axis bombers?
Yes we need axis bombers to be added no USA fighters or bombers need to be added.
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Yes we need axis bombers to be added no USA fighters or bombers need to be added.
Well like it or not the A-26 was third in the voting. I know what you can do...boycott the BBS till they do what you say!!!! Yes they do call me the idea guy!
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I fly the 39 all the time.
Do not blame me wanting it for years on the fact you are unable or unwilling to fly it in combat.
:rock
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Anything with wings engines and a few guns = :aok
So quit pushin' your planes agenda in someone elses WISH post.
Last time i checked it was called a wishlist, not a debate list.
The P-39 is a nice airplane. The problem is getting guys in it. Once you get in it, have a few runs in them, then you are left with a favorible impression of it.
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Well like it or not the A-26 was third in the voting. I know what you can do...boycott the BBS till they do what you say!!!! Yes they do call me the idea guy!
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but the He-111 sucks.
Ignorance is bliss and you've got a mightly blissful look on your face. Please explain to all of us how in your 'experten' opinion that the He-111 sucks. We're waiting...
ack-ack
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The He-111 will be flown for the same reasons the other early war planes will be flown;
1: ITS THERE.
2: It's an EW plane.
3: There's not many German bombers to choose from.
4: WE ALL WANT TO FLY IT.
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The He-111 will be flown for the same reasons the other early war planes will be flown;
1: ITS THERE.
2: It's an EW plane.
3: There's not many German bombers to choose from.
4: WE ALL WANT TO FLY IT.
Really.Ignorance is bliss and you've got a mightly blissful look on your face. Please explain to all of us how in your 'experten' opinion that the He-111 sucks. We're waiting...
ack-ack
lol.
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If the HE-111 ever comes to AHII it will most likely just sit in the hanger once the new plane smell wears off. The A-26, on the other hand, I see being used quite often by many people.
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Ignorance is bliss and you've got a mightly blissful look on your face. Please explain to all of us how in your 'experten' opinion that the He-111 sucks. We're waiting...
ack-ack
It doesnt suck for an early war bird, but its very over matched as a MA bird. It's slow and has comparatively limited defensive firepower. It's base configuration is 7 x 7.7mm. Traditionally it had 2 x 12.7mm (one top and bottom in rear) + a 20mm gun firing forward below {are other options). So the rear firepower would be 3 x 12.7 and possibly 2 x 7.7 based on angles. Compare this to a minimum of 6 x .50 cal on a B-26 and possibly 8, 10 or even more. Ki-67 has 2 x 12.7 in tail + 12.7 beam guns and 20mm turret...
No comparison with either vs the He-111
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If the HE-111 ever comes to AHII it will most likely just sit in the hanger once the new plane smell wears off. The A-26, on the other hand, I see being used quite often by many people.
I wont use the A-26 there alot more planes that need to be added before the A-26.
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You just had to revive this?
Come my minions, let us chant together! HE-111! HE-111! HE-111!
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You just had to revive this?
Come my minions, let us chant together! HE-111! HE-111! HE-111!
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You just had to revive this?
Come my minions, let us chant together! HE-111! HE-111! HE-111!
I changed my mind He-111 would be ALOT easier to shoot down. The A-26 could actually fight back and sent ya to the tower....I like easy kills!
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I changed my mind He-111 would be ALOT easier to shoot down. The A-26 could actually fight back and sent ya to the tower....I like easy kills!
I like things even in HTC.
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The thing is, we don't actually need any plane. We might like a certain plane, but we don't need it.
P.S. Please note that in my original post, I did not once say that we 'need' the A-26.
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bring the a-26!!!! i love the a-20 but i really want the a-26 along with the me-323
yayyy!! we need the a-26
must have.....
:aok :aok :aok :rock
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bring the a-26!!!! i love the a-20 but i really want the a-26 along with the me-323
yayyy!! we need the a-26
must have.....
:aok :aok :aok :rock
Me-323 is just a big boat in the skies.
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A26, well HELL yes!!!
Will it be used??? OF COURSE IT WILL!!! Heavily!!!!
It fits the same mission profile as A20, (which is a prewar design)
But its faster, far better divespeed, better firepower, better payload, wont fly apart as easily...
Geee, its a genuine latewar plane, for the latewar arena, go figure!!!
The only thing that I'd hate about it, is the sidesaddle pilot seating...
Girls in skirts ride sidesaddle!!! lol.....
Don't fear the A26, embrace it!!!
HE111??? What a Klunker!!!
Japanese Betty??? A very fragile molotov cocktail w wings...
But I suppose they are needed for historical scenarios...
But even in the EW arena, whos going to actually fly them???
Who would make themselves an easy target? Especially when the JU88
or far better allied designs are in the hangars...
Give us a plane that WORKS!!!
I wonder how the makers feel, when their models, (which they worked sooo hard on, <S>),
just sit in the hngr, cuz the plane itself sucks...
Or is it better for the makers, when their plane, IS EVERYWHERE... Blowin the crap outta EVERYTHING!!!!
Just guessin, but I'll bet that the latter is far more pleasing...
RC
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Again.... Why are we continuing to try to pump up the already superior American bomber plane-set when its the Italian, Japanese, and German bomber plane-set that's lacking?
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Hmmm, for me, its not about pumpin up a national planeset...
I think there are soo many US planes in the game, simply because
the US built soo many awesome aircraft types...With a very few exceptions,
collectively superior, to other nations types, in any given category...
Thats why the axis LOST!!!, and so many US planes are in AH...
In that way, the game does represent history...
Not our fault that the axis kept producing outdated aircraft till the end of the war...
Give us the A26 already, its past due...
RC
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You missed the point.
In the past few years the only bombers entered into the game were allied. Its time to reverse that and represent the axis forces adequately instead of adding more and more to the healthy list of allied bombers.
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Again.... Why are we continuing to try to pump up the already superior American bomber plane-set when its the Italian, Japanese, and German bomber plane-set that's lacking?
Well where is most of HTC's player base located?
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And a decent percentage of those players prefer flying axis aircraft.
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You missed the point.
In the past few years the only bombers entered into the game were allied. Its time to reverse that and represent the axis forces adequately instead of adding more and more to the healthy list of allied bombers.
There is my point but people in this thread think there should be only allied planes and bombers make it very uneven. :noid
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Again.... Why are we continuing to try to pump up the already superior American bomber plane-set when its the Italian, Japanese, and German bomber plane-set that's lacking?
It's because IMO the A-26 is such a cool aeroplane, and also for the reasons stated in my original post.
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It's because IMO the A-26 is such a cool aeroplane, and also for the reasons stated in my original post.
I would love to see the A-26 be added but not now maybe in 5 years but there more planes that need to be added before the A-26.
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I would love to see the A-26 be added but not now maybe in 5 years but there more planes that need to be added before the A-26.
No, they do not need to be added. Yes, some people would like to see more Axis planes added, and others would like to see other planes added. I would like the A-26 to be added, and that is what I am asking for in this thread.
As has previously been stated, the A-26 is an extremely capable bomber and attack aircraft, and it would fill the empty slot of another perked bomber in late-war arenas, something which is arguably more important than a plane that would largely see its use in the Early and Mid War arenas, as well as occasional use in Scenarios and other special events.
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Yossarian
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No, they do not need to be added. Yes, some people would like to see more Axis planes added, and others would like to see other planes added. I would like the A-26 to be added, and that is what I am asking for in this thread.
As has previously been stated, the A-26 is an extremely capable bomber and attack aircraft, and it would fill the empty slot of another perked bomber in late-war arenas, something which is arguably more important than a plane that would largely see its use in the Early and Mid War arenas, as well as occasional use in Scenarios and other special events.
<S>I know but make it fair you get the A-26 axis get the Hs-129 only make it fair.
Yossarian
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Yes, well I'm asking for the A-26 here, and I would be all for another Axis bomber, but after the A-26, as the Invader was voted third most popular choice in the poll that was held, and in addition to that there are all the arguments for it that I have already given.
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Yossarian
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Yes, well I'm asking for the A-26 here, and I would be all for another Axis bomber, but after the A-26, as the Invader was voted third most popular choice in the poll that was held, and in addition to that there are all the arguments for it that I have already given.
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Yossarian
Hs-129 A-26 fair don't you think.
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Funny thing...it's not up to us!! :devil :t :noid :furious :aok :huh :lol :O :P :cool: :uhoh :eek: :mad: :salute :rofl
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Funny thing...it's not up to us!! :devil :t :noid :furious :aok :huh :lol :O :P :cool: :uhoh :eek: :mad: :salute :rofl
Copying me nice going. :furious :noid :rofl :huh :lol :) :O ;) :D :( :o :P :cry :t :cool: :confused: :mad: :rolleyes: :eek: :rock :uhoh :pray :eek: :frown: :mad: :salute
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Copying me nice going. :furious :noid :rofl :huh :lol :) :O ;) :D :( :o :P :cry :t :cool: :confused: :mad: :rolleyes: :eek: :rock :uhoh :pray :eek: :frown: :mad: :salute
Your my hero :noid
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I agree, the final decision is of course HTCs, and in the past they have said that they read this part of the forum to see what people want to have added. That's why I made this thread asking for the A-26.
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I agree, the final decision is of course HTCs, and in the past they have said that they read this part of the forum to see what people want to have added. That's why I made this thread asking for the A-26.
A-26 is ok with me but we don't need it now.
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A-26 is ok with me but we don't need it now.
We don't need anything (either now, or at any point), but there is an extremely strong case for the A-26 to be the next bomber aircraft to be added, largely for the perked bomber issue, and for all the other reasons given in this thread.
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We don't need anything (either now, or at any point), but there is an extremely strong case for the A-26 to be the next bomber aircraft to be added, largely for the perked bomber issue, and for all the other reasons given in this thread.
A-26 love to see with the Hs-129 to it only fair.
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I just looked up the Hs-129, and from what I saw it seems that it would not fill the perked-bomber role at all (if that's what you're suggesting it for), partly because of it's speed being a maximum of 253 mph, and when the 75mm gun was added to it, it was described like this (from Wikipedia, I know...):
The resulting system was able to knock out any tank in the world, but the weight slowed the already poor performance of the plane to barely flyable in this new Hs 129 B-3 version.
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there is an extremely strong case for the A-26 to be the next bomber aircraft to be added, largely for the perked bomber issue, and for all the other reasons given in this thread.
Not when we're running the BoB without the He 111. End of story.
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HE-111 will never make it in time for the BoB scenario. At least this time around.
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Not when we're running the BoB without the He 111. End of story.
I agree that the He-111 has great historical significance, but I still think that its potential use in Aces High is quite low. The He-111 really has no attributes whatsoever which would allow it to become a remotely popular aeroplane outside of historical scenarios, which despite being immense fun, only run a few times a year (if that much), and are only attended by a fraction of the player-base.
EDIT: and I agree with what SoonerMP said as well.
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I agree that the He-111 has great historical significance, but I still think that its potential use in Aces High is quite low. The He-111 really has no attributes whatsoever which would allow it to become a remotely popular aeroplane outside of historical scenarios, which despite being immense fun, only run a few times a year (if that much), and are only attended by a fraction of the player-base.
EDIT: and I agree with what SoonerMP said as well.
Ever heard of FSO?
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Ever heard of FSO?
Yes I have, and although I have never taken part in one, I am reasonably certain that if the He-111 were to be added, the CMs would not change every FSO to include He-111s. Sure, that plane would then be able to participate in them, but it would not be in every single one. In addition to this, your average Aces High player would likely be far happier to fly in a 300+ mph late war bomber, than in a ~200mph early/mid bomber that had a maximum bombload less than that of the Ju-87.
I would think that when looking at the current plane set, in terms of substituting aircraft, it is far easier to substitute a Ju-88 for an He-111 that it would be to substitute something for an A-26.
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I would think that when looking at the current plane set, in terms of substituting aircraft, it is far easier to substitute a Ju-88 for an He-111 that it would be to substitute something for an A-26.
You're about as wrong as wrong can get. Just FYI.
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You're about as wrong as wrong can get. Just FYI.
Ok fine, I was sort of grabbing at nothing in particular there, but the rest of the points (especially those in the original post) still stand.
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In that way, the game does represent history...
Not our fault that the axis kept producing outdated aircraft till the end of the war...
RC
Someone needs to read a history book or two.....
The axis had the most advanced aircraft designs,lucky for us the means to produce them was being destroyed before they could implement them.
Take alook at what Me,FW,Ju,ect had designed and in some cases actual prototypes built,not to mention the "Black projects" that could have changed things drastically.
:noid
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I think we have enough US hardware in the game to last us a bit. Time for some other nations to get some added loving.
Like these?
(http://www.kilroywashere.org/09-Images/Woody/BristolBeaufighter.jpg)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f9/Ki_45_001.jpg)
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I just looked up the Hs-129, and from what I saw it seems that it would not fill the perked-bomber role at all (if that's what you're suggesting it for), partly because of it's speed being a maximum of 253 mph, and when the 75mm gun was added to it, it was described like this (from Wikipedia, I know...):
Hs-129 was made 2 kill tanks that what it did just like the A-10 we have today.
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Hs-129 was made 2 kill tanks that what it did just like the A-10 we have today.
Yes, but currently we have the Il-2 for killing tanks, as well as the A-20 and B-25H which also make very effective tank killers.
In addition, the Hs-129 would not really be suitable for a perked bomber, although its 75mm would be a good example of a perked loadout in my opinion.
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Yes, but currently we have the Il-2 for killing tanks, as well as the A-20 and B-25H which also make very effective tank killers.
In addition, the Hs-129 would not really be suitable for a perked bomber, although its 75mm would be a good example of a perked loadout in my opinion.
It dosnet need the 75mm when it got 1 30mm 2 20mm 6mgs would just do.
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Someone needs to read a history book or two.....
The axis had the most advanced aircraft designs,lucky for us the means to produce them was being destroyed before they could implement them.
Take alook at what Me,FW,Ju,ect had designed and in some cases actual prototypes built,not to mention the "Black projects" that could have changed things drastically.
:noid
Coulda, Woulda, Shoulda..... LOL...
All the fancypants prototypes in the world don't mean squat, when masses of enemy
planes are rampaging at will all across your country... AMERICAN PLANES!!!
Besides a good number of those prototypes, wouldn't have worked anyway.. The technology
wasn't available then.. In some cases, it still isn't available...
Other axis prototype designs were brought to america, where their Tech was evaluated,
and most of it FAILED anyway.. Waste of time and effort...
It never mattered what you could dream up... What mattered is, WHAT WORKS!!!
And what can be put into the field in effective numbers...
A26 WORKS.... HE111 by comparison, is a Klunker...
And all those fancypants prototypes, will never get in the game anyway..
So that is a moot point...
The Axis powers never grasped this brutally simple fact...
If they had, they NEVER would have started the war in the first place...
They didn't have the POPULATION, or the INDUSTRIAL BASE, to carry the war forward...
They expected to sieze their desired territory before the world could react...(which they did)
And the world would just except the defacto situation...(they didn't)
Oop'sy
The ultimate stupidity!!!
And yes the germans were still producing HE111, Stuka, Do17, variants until the end of the war...
Along with other old designs, Even after they were CLEARLY outdated...
Compounded stupidity!!!! Nothin like diggin a hole for yourself, then havin your buddy, BURY YOU IN IT!!!
RC
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Besides a good number of those prototypes, wouldn't have worked anyway.. The technology
wasn't available then.. In some cases, it still isn't available...
A prototype is a built, flying, pre-mass-production aircraft built for testing a design.
Other axis prototype designs were brought to america, where their Tech was evaluated,
and most of it FAILED anyway.. Waste of time and effort...
And other German prototypes were studied and influenced some of the United States' and the USSR's most successful designs... the F86, the A10, the MiG15... hell our space program was the brain child of the German scientist who designed the V2 ballistic missile.
A26 WORKS.... HE111 by comparison, is a Klunker...
Well, yeah, your comparing a 1944 aircraft to an aircraft that was in service before the war.
And yes the germans were still producing HE111, Stuka, Do17, variants until the end of the war...
Along with other old designs, Even after they were CLEARLY outdated...
I'd have to check, but I'm 99% sure that production of all those types had ended by 1944.
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...As has previously been stated, the A-26 is an extremely capable bomber and attack aircraft, and it would fill the empty slot of another perked bomber in late-war arenas, something which is arguably more important than a plane that would largely see its use in the Early and Mid War arenas, as well as occasional use in Scenarios and other special events...
This isn't 2008 B.C. We Don't live in a calendar year that works backwards. And we don't make history from end to beginning. Therefore we should focus on earlier models before going rampant and adding all the superior models. You don't build a sky-scraper from the top-down.
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A prototype is a built, flying, pre-mass-production aircraft built for testing a design.
And other German prototypes were studied and influenced some of the United States' and the USSR's most successful designs... the F86, the A10, the MiG15... hell our space program was the brain child of the German scientist who designed the V2 ballistic missile.
Well, yeah, your comparing a 1944 aircraft to an aircraft that was in service before the war.
I'd have to check, but I'm 99% sure that production of all those types had ended by 1944.
You kined prove my point all im saying im fine with the A-26 but make it fair Hs-129 or Ki-45 would do.
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This isn't 2008 B.C. We Don't live in a calendar year that works backwards. And we don't make history from end to beginning. Therefore we should focus on earlier models before going rampant and adding all the superior models. You don't build a sky-scraper from the top-down.
Sorry, but that is a very poor argument.
It dosnet need the 75mm when it got 1 30mm 2 20mm 6mgs would just do.
Those guns will not be taking out anything with more armour than a Wirblewind, and to do even that would probably be difficult.
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Well, yeah, your comparing a 1944 aircraft to an aircraft that was in service before the war.
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I see your point, but most AH players will be comparing all the aircraft regardless of when they were designed/built. Whether the plane in question were built in 1939 or 1942, if you're attacked by a 1944 Spitfire, you're still being attacked by a far higher performance aircraft, and in the MAs, disregarding the pilot's skill, the He-111 is going to be at an immense disadvantage.
You kined prove my point all im saying im fine with the A-26 but make it fair Hs-129 or Ki-45 would do.
From looking at information about those two aircraft, it seems that neither would be a suitable aeroplane to fulfil the role of a perked bomber. The Hs-129 (I'm not sure which variant, probably the B-1), could carry a total bombload of 880lbs, or it could carry a 30mm cannon. The Ki-45 could carry a maximum of 1100lbs of bombs, however it also could take about 3 cannon with it. The A-26 by contrast could carry up to 6,000lbs of bombs, and could have a maximum of 14x 50cal machine guns pointed forwards (this is excluding the 4x turret-mounted 50cals).
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Sorry, but that is a very poor argument.
Those guns will not be taking out anything with more armour than a Wirblewind, and to do even that would probably be difficult.
I see your point, but most AH players will be comparing all the aircraft regardless of when they were designed/built. Whether the plane in question were built in 1939 or 1942, if you're attacked by a 1944 Spitfire, you're still being attacked by a far higher performance aircraft, and in the MAs, disregarding the pilot's skill, the He-111 is going to be at an immense disadvantage.
From looking at information about those two aircraft, it seems that neither would be a suitable aeroplane to fulfil the role of a perked bomber. The Hs-129 (I'm not sure which variant, probably the B-1), could carry a total bombload of 880lbs, or it could carry a 30mm cannon. The Ki-45 could carry a maximum of 1100lbs of bombs, however it also could take about 3 cannon with it. The A-26 by contrast could carry up to 6,000lbs of bombs, and could have a maximum of 14x 50cal machine guns pointed forwards (this is excluding the 4x turret-mounted 50cals).
It the best they had and the Ki-45 shot down alot of B-29 Judy would be nice i would say Ju-87 with 37mm but it just slow Me-410 but it can't dogfight as you can see i am runing out of planes to be added.
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It the best they had and the Ki-45 shot down alot of B-29 Judy would be nice i would say Ju-87 with 37mm but it just slow Me-410 but it can't dogfight as you can see i am runing out of planes to be added.
Whilst those planes all have their good points, none of them really would be suitable for use as a perked bomber. The Me-410 would probably be perked, however it would most likely be as a fighter (seeing as the Bf-110 is classified as a fighter in AH). The Ju-87 with the cannon would almost certainly be an excellent candidate for perked ordinance, but again its lack of speed would almost certainly make it entirely unsuitable for being a perked bomber.
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Since this thread has taken so many twists and turns let me add the following.
If you wana waste/use bomber perks so bad why not perk formations. Bomber perks are so easy to get as any of them. Make it cost 10-15 perks per bomber with a limit of 5 in a formation. This is limited to the heavy hitters ie: Lancaster, B-24, and B-17. Maybe 3-7 perks for the Boston, Ki-67, JU-88 and B-26....just a thought.
But I still think there is no need ,if we get it, to perk the A-26. It does have speed, firepower and bomb loadout but there are better planes in all parts of that. But any late war fighter has a very good chance against it in a dogfight. IMHO the A-26 is almost a perfect attack aircraft...maybe why it was still used even after jet planes took over the skys.
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Whilst those planes all have their good points, none of them really would be suitable for use as a perked bomber. The Me-410 would probably be perked, however it would most likely be as a fighter (seeing as the Bf-110 is classified as a fighter in AH). The Ju-87 with the cannon would almost certainly be an excellent candidate for perked ordinance, but again its lack of speed would almost certainly make it entirely unsuitable for being a perked bomber.
Well I got noting against the A-26 being added but all im saying axis need a bomber Sm.84 or Sm.79 would be nice.
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Bubi,thx for supporting my coment. :aok
No sense in carrying it on, :o it would fall on deaf ears.
Man I feel sorry for the next generation.
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We need this plane.
Best medium bomber of the war?......Nope, because instead of being a bomber that could attack (like the B-26 B-25 Ju-88) its an attack plane that can bomb (A-20,A26) diffrent plane's, diffrent roles, and im waiting for the day that the Invader coming to AcesHigh, GV's BEWARE.... :rock
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We need this plane.
Best medium bomber of the war?......Nope, because instead of being a bomber that could attack (like the B-26 B-25 Ju-88) its an attack plane that can bomb (A-20,A26) diffrent plane's, diffrent roles, and im waiting for the day that the Invader coming to AcesHigh, GV's BEWARE.... :rock
The A-26 it not ready for HTC it just to much later on when we got more planes and gvs then sure but not now Hs-129 the best for gv killing.
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I would love to see the A-26 but we also need german, italian and japanese bombers to even up the sides. I also added 4 russian bombers to the list. I'm not saying these should get added before the A-26; just throwing some examples that could be used in the game. All from a fighter and bomber book i have in my study.
"Aircraft of World War II" BY Chris Chant
Attack Bomber (Ord load)
Italian- Breda Ba 88 Lince (2205 lbs)
Japanese- Mitsubishi G3M ‘Nell’ (1764 lbs)
Russian- Petyakov Pe-2/ 2FT (3527 lbs)
Russian- Tupolev SB-2 (1321 lbs)
Medium Bomber
Italian- CANT Z. 1007 Alicone (2646 lbs)
Italian- Caproni Bergamaschi Ca 135 (3527 lbs)
German- Dornier Do 17Z/E (1653- 2205 lbs)
German- Dornier Do 217/E-5 (8818 lbs)
Italian- Fiat BR.20 Cicogna (3527 lbs)
German-Heinkel He-111P, H, Z (4400-5511 lbs)
German-Heinkel He-177A-1/3 Grief or A-5 Grief (13,228 lbs)
Russian- Ilyushin IL-4 (5952 lbs)
German- Junkers Ju 188 (6614 lbs)
Japanese- Mitsubishi G3M ‘Nell’ (1764 lbs)
Japanese- Mitsubishi G4M3 ‘Betty’ (1764 lbs)
Russian- Tupolev Tu-2 (8818 lbs)
Heavy Bomber
German- Focke-Wulf Fw 200 Condor (4630 lbs)
Japanese- Mitsubishi Ki-21 ‘Sally’ and ‘Gwen’ (2205 lbs, Actually considered medium due to lbs)
Japanese- Nakajima Ki-49 Donryu ‘Helen’ (2205lbs, considered medium due to lbs)
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I would love to see the A-26 but we also need german, italian and japanese bombers to even up the sides. I also added 4 russian bombers to the list. I'm not saying these should get added before the A-26; just throwing some examples that could be used in the game. All from a fighter and bomber book i have in my study.
"Aircraft of World War II" BY Chris Chant
Attack Bomber (Ord load)
Italian- Breda Ba 88 Lince (2205 lbs)
Japanese- Mitsubishi G3M ‘Nell’ (1764 lbs)
Russian- Petyakov Pe-2/ 2FT (3527 lbs)
Russian- Tupolev SB-2 (1321 lbs)
Medium Bomber
Italian- CANT Z. 1007 Alicone (2646 lbs)
Italian- Caproni Bergamaschi Ca 135 (3527 lbs)
German- Dornier Do 17Z/E (1653- 2205 lbs)
German- Dornier Do 217/E-5 (8818 lbs)
Italian- Fiat BR.20 Cicogna (3527 lbs)
German-Heinkel He-111P, H, Z (4400-5511 lbs)
German-Heinkel He-177A-1/3 Grief or A-5 Grief (13,228 lbs)
Russian- Ilyushin IL-4 (5952 lbs)
German- Junkers Ju 188 (6614 lbs)
Japanese- Mitsubishi G3M ‘Nell’ (1764 lbs)
Japanese- Mitsubishi G4M3 ‘Betty’ (1764 lbs)
Russian- Tupolev Tu-2 (8818 lbs)
Heavy Bomber
German- Focke-Wulf Fw 200 Condor (4630 lbs)
Japanese- Mitsubishi Ki-21 ‘Sally’ and ‘Gwen’ (2205 lbs, Actually considered medium due to lbs)
Japanese- Nakajima Ki-49 Donryu ‘Helen’ (2205lbs, considered medium due to lbs)
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The betty would just catch on fire. Add the He-111z and the Me-323.
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The betty would just catch on fire. Add the He-111z and the Me-323.
Ummm no. The G4M would be a great bomber. And we most certainly do not need the Me323.
The Fw200 was a big, slow, POS with a small bombload.
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Ummm no. The G4M would be a great bomber. And we most certainly do not need the Me323.
The Fw200 was a big, slow, POS with a small bombload.
If we do get the Me-323 we need (http://www.warbirds.jp/kakuki/jitukak/he111z.jpg)that to fly it.G4M love to see but it dosent take that much to take 1 out.
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If we do get the Me-323 we need (http://www.warbirds.jp/kakuki/jitukak/he111z.jpg)that to fly it.G4M love to see but it dosent take that much to take 1 out.
The Betty had 1-3 20mm defensive cannons.
And definitely NO to the Me 323 or the He111Z
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The Betty had 1-3 20mm defensive cannons.
And definitely NO to the Me 323 or the He111Z
Aw. But the Betty could go up to 3,000 miles but it catch fire very easy in the first 3 months of the war 200 Bettys were lost.
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I would fly an A-26 ALOT.
Thats my line of thinking, however the he111, and its japanese,italian light bomber counterparts I would fly very little....
A big factor in the propogation of Allied types is that they where just flat out better, but the "best of the best" is still yet to have been seen, and im gonna pull for them on every occasion because I think it will make the MA "MORE" fun.
We are getting there on the number of very capable vehicles/aircraft in this game, and an American boy like myself wants to experience what I can of somthing as special as an A-26 or a B-29.
Hell a plane that served through 3 wars because nothing better could be built, and was only retired because the airframes where falling apart means alot to me.
I gotta show love to the Invader... Still say we need it :D
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I would fly an A-26 ALOT.
Thats my line of thinking, however the he111, and its japanese,italian light bomber counterparts I would fly very little....
A big factor in the propogation of Allied types is that they where just flat out better, but the "best of the best" is still yet to have been seen, and im gonna pull for them on every occasion because I think it will make the MA "MORE" fun.
We are getting there on the number of very capable vehicles/aircraft in this game, and an American boy like myself wants to experience what I can of somthing as special as an A-26 or a B-29.
Hell a plane that served through 3 wars because nothing better could be built, and was only retired because the airframes where falling apart means alot to me.
I gotta show love to the Invader... Still say we need it :D
But it's a footnote in WW2 Stephen. Little use outside of the 9th AF and that was small in the overall scheme of things. Just cause it's uber doesn't mean it would be the best plane to add to AH. Lots of much more relevant birds that should come first in my opinion.
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But it's a footnote in WW2 Stephen. Little use outside of the 9th AF and that was small in the overall scheme of things. Just cause it's uber doesn't mean it would be the best plane to add to AH. Lots of much more relevant birds that should come first in my opinion.
He-111 Do-17 Do-217 C.R 42 Sm.79 Sm.81 Sm.84 Ki-45 Ki-44 should be added before the A-26 or B-29.
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The A-26 it not ready for HTC it just to much later on when we got more planes and gvs then sure but not now Hs-129 the best for gv killing.
Well you posted something shortly before this that appears to be contradictory.
To all those people saying that the early-war planes should be added first, yes you have a point, but consider that not one of those aeroplanes will fulfill the requirements for a perked bomber. That is probably the single most important factor in which aircraft should be added next.
The A-26 it not ready for HTC it just to much later on when we got more planes and gvs then sure but not now Hs-129 the best for gv killing.
Actually, the best GV killer is most likely the Il-2. The B-25H and A-20 are also excellent GV killers.
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He-111 Do-17 Do-217 C.R 42 Sm.79 Sm.81 Sm.84 Ki-45 Ki-44 should be added before the A-26 or B-29.
don't forget G.55 italian fighter - although few made, it would really help italian campaigns during FSO or events, even late war it would come to use.
That or adding a drop tank to C205
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don't forget G.55 italian fighter - although few made, it would really help italian campaigns during FSO or events, even late war it would come to use.
That or adding a drop tank to C205
But people are going to say it didnt see that much action i would love to see be added but it not. :(
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Many of these planes would be nice to see on Aces High at some point, but the problem with most of them is that none of them are bombers that could be perked.
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Many of these planes would be nice to see on Aces High at some point, but the problem with most of them is that none of them are bombers that could be perked.
Here a bomber He-111 there you go.
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Here a bomber He-111 there you go.
I said "that could be perked", meaning one that would be a reasonable plane to put a perk point price on.
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I said "that could be perked", meaning one that would be a reasonable plane to put a perk point price on.
We all know Axis bombers arent the best the He-111 Ju-88 are the best the German had.I think the Sm.79 could work that all i think of.
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We all know Axis bombers arent the best the He-111 Ju-88 are the best the German had.I think the Sm.79 could work that all i think of.
I just looked the SM.79 up, and it appears to have quite a good maximum speed, and a decent time-to-altitude, however it's climb rate doesn't seem to be too spectacular. In addition to this, it has a relatively small bomb load (only 2,645lbs), and its defensive armament is minimal.
Those attributes do not look like they are anywhere near suitable for a perked bomber. Again, I don't see anything else that would be a perkable bomber, other than the A-26.
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I just looked the SM.79 up, and it appears to have quite a good maximum speed, and a decent time-to-altitude, however it's climb rate doesn't seem to be too spectacular. In addition to this, it has a relatively small bomb load (only 2,645lbs), and its defensive armament is minimal.
Those attributes do not look like they are anywhere near suitable for a perked bomber. Again, I don't see anything else that would be a perkable bomber, other than the A-26.
But it the best i can think of. :(
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But it the best i can think of. :(
Well there really is no other perkable bomber that I have ever heard of other than the A-26.
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It would be nice to have something to spend bomber perks on. The AR-234 is not much fun and kind of useless.
not true for me, i love doggin in the Ar234, i killed a 262 once followed by a spit in a furball, (yes, i died right afterward, but u can say that i cant fly another 234 for a month or 2) :aok
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btw i say yes to the A26, its on my list following the 111 and MORE TANKS
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btw i say yes to the A26, its on my list following the 111 and MORE TANKS
I think that there is a far greater need for another perked bomber than there is for an aircraft that will see use almost exclusively in Special Events.
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Stop with the perk for the A-26...it is not worthy of a perk cost. It is a very good plane but if you perk that perk the Spit 16, La-7, N1k, and any other LW uber ride.
If you want to use the bomber perks perk the formations. First one free perk the rest....seems logical to me. Your not taking anything away from new people as they can still fly them. It uses bomber perks that are just piling up. It might stop/slow down the lanstukas, bomb and bail, and other wrong stuff poeple use bombers for.
For the A-26
against perking it
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Stop with the perk for the A-26...it is not worthy of a perk cost. It is a very good plane but if you perk that perk the Spit 16, La-7, N1k, and any other LW uber ride.
If you want to use the bomber perks perk the formations. First one free perk the rest....seems logical to me. Your not taking anything away from new people as they can still fly them. It uses bomber perks that are just piling up. It might stop/slow down the lanstukas, bomb and bail, and other wrong stuff poeple use bombers for.
For the A-26
against perking it
The A-26 was an exceptional bomber in many ways (sorry, I don't have time to list them right now but you should look them up on Google if you're interested), and this is shown by the fact that it was refurbished and used extensively during the Vietnam War. Any bomber that can travel as fast as the A-26, with up to 14x 50 cals fixed facing forwards (and 4 in turrets), with it's bombload almost that of a B-17, yet under certain circumstances could turn with a Bf-109 (as reported by a pilot, I don't have a source to back this up at the moment) is definitely worthy of a perk price IMO.
As to your perked formation idea, it's interesting, but it would just leave single bombers at an extreme disadvantage when attacked by a fighter.
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The A-26 was an exceptional bomber in many ways (sorry, I don't have time to list them right now but you should look them up on Google if you're interested), and this is shown by the fact that it was refurbished and used extensively during the Vietnam War. Any bomber that can travel as fast as the A-26, with up to 14x 50 cals fixed facing forwards (and 4 in turrets), with it's bombload almost that of a B-17, yet under certain circumstances could turn with a Bf-109 (as reported by a pilot, I don't have a source to back this up at the moment) is definitely worthy of a perk price IMO.
As to your perked formation idea, it's interesting, but it would just leave single bombers at an extreme disadvantage when attacked by a fighter.
There is no way on gods green earth that an A-26 would turn with a 109. Not for more than 1 or 2 turns anyway. And I don't think the 14 gun model was used during WW2. Here's what you will get if we get it:
Specifications (A-26B):
Engines: Two 2000hp Pratt & Whitney R-2800-79 radial piston engines
Weight: Empty 22,370 lbs., Maximum Takeoff 35,000 lbs.
Wing Span: 70ft. 0in.
Length: 50ft. 9in.
Height: 18ft. 6in.
Performance:
Maximum Speed at 15,000 ft: 355 mph
Ceiling: 22,100 ft
Range: 1,400 miles
Armament:
Six 12.7mm (0.5 in.) machine guns in nose
Two 12.7mm (0.5 in.) machine guns each in ventral and dorsal turrets
6000 lbs. of bombs
Eight 127mm (5-inch) rockets
Come find my in a single B-17 sometime....I'll show ya what it can do! And if you fly where bombers should it won't be a huge problem!
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Actually the A-26 had a better then 1 to 1 K/D in actual air combat vs fighters in the ETO. Even the
A-20 did remarkably well when forced to fight (what really triggered the development of the A-26). Basically the A-26 is an A-20 optimized for air combat and dive bombing.
The wingloading on the A-26 isnt really that far off the 109K4. A light A-26 is suprisingly nimble IRL and not far off from a late war fighter in many aspects of handling. Obviously a lot will depend on its actual modeling in game but I think its safe to say that running into an A-26 ace in AH will an enlighting experience for some...
If the A-20 had greater ability to withstand stress on the control surfaces it would be very formidable. If it had the ability to actually reach speeds similar to the average fighter it would be uber. I can see the A-26 as a perkable plane with no problems at all...
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More axis planes then the A-26.
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More axis planes then the A-26.
Well, why don't you give an example that you haven't already suggested which would be suitable for a perked bomber?
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Well, why don't you give an example that you haven't already suggested which would be suitable for a perked bomber?
Most of the bombers like the He-111 and Sm.79 won't be good in your role so just make it fair just add the Hs-129 i don't care if it slow i would be nice to have and with the Pak 40 the Pilot could press a button and the Gun is gone.
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Most of the bombers like the He-111 and Sm.79 won't be good in your role so just make it fair just add the Hs-129 i don't care if it slow i would be nice to have and with the Pak 40 the Pilot could press a button and the Gun is gone.
Yes, but the Hs-129 would not be suitable for a perked bomber. Read what humble wrote, he shows how impressive the A-26 actually was. The Hs-129 just would not even come close to the overall excellence of the A-26 Invader, and thus would not be suitable to be perked.
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Yes, but the Hs-129 would not be suitable for a perked bomber. Read what humble wrote, he shows how impressive the A-26 actually was. The Hs-129 just would not even come close to the overall excellence of the A-26 Invader, and thus would not be suitable to be perked.
Then don't add the A-26 it just to much we really don't need it you got the A-20 the A-26 would just kill everything in it path. :( :(
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Then don't add the A-26 it just to much we really don't need it you got the A-20 the A-26 would just kill everything in it path. :( :(
We need a perked bomber. Seeing as I cannot find/think of any other bomber that might be suitable, and neither has anyone else, that really only leaves the A-26.
Saying that the A-26 'kill everything in it path' is not a reason to not add it, but rather a reason for it being added as a perked bomber.
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We need a perked bomber. Seeing as I cannot find/think of any other bomber that might be suitable, and neither has anyone else, that really only leaves the A-26.
Saying that the A-26 'kill everything in it path' is not a reason to not add it, but rather a reason for it being added as a perked bomber.
But it just to much if HTC did a Korean game of Aces high then i can see the A-26 be added but the Axis didn't have the best bombers. Just live with the planes you got i have noting against the A-26. :noid
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But it just to much if HTC did a Korean game of Aces high then i can see the A-26 be added but the Axis didn't have the best bombers. Just live with the planes you got i have noting against the A-26. :noid
That doesn't change the fact that we only have one perked bomber in the game, and it only has fairly limited usefulness. If the Axis 'didn't have the best bombers', then it follows that for another perked bomber, it must be an Allied aircraft.
Also, if you have nothing against the A-26, then why are you saying it shouldn't be added, and why should anything else be added (from you saying 'Just live with the planes you got')?
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That doesn't change the fact that we only have one perked bomber in the game, and it only has fairly limited usefulness. If the Axis 'didn't have the best bombers', then it follows that for another perked bomber, it must be an Allied aircraft.
Also, if you have nothing against the A-26, then why are you saying it shouldn't be added, and why should anything else be added (from you saying 'Just live with the planes you got')?
It just to much to have I'm trying to think what type of Axis bomber to add but most of them were slow and alot of them were use to go after bombers unless we get the Ju-188 then let add the A-26.
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The real goal is to find a balance of overall use and acceptance for FSO/scenario use. No question that the He-111, Betty and Judy are all clearly needed at some point for scenario's etc. All however are sorely lacking (with the possible exception of the Judy) for MA use. One option is to add planes that saw low production like the Grace or a russian plane like the Tu-2 as an alternative. The only german plane that would "fit" is the Me-410 which had anemic payload compared to the A-26 or the Tu-2 and is really a fighter like the 110.
Since the game is more tactical then strategic the real "perk value" in a bomber lies more in its ability to play the role of a multi dimensional strike aircraft then function as a true bomber. The A-20, IL-2, B-25, mosquito and 110 all fill this role to some degree. The A-26 is simply a potentially better platform that would allow for a larger payload (6,000 lbs), greater range, higher speed and more firepower then any current option currently viewed as a "bomber" in this "strike aircraft" role.
The added strength in the A-26 should enhance its E fighting capability (probably at some expense to handling) vs the A-20 while providing increased capability in dive bombing. In effect the A-26 should be able to fly farther and faster and deliver more ords while having a greater ability to act in both an air to air or air to ground roll after expending ords then anything currently in the game by a wide margin. Its the combined capability that might merit a "prekie" not any single aspect of the plane.
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The real goal is to find a balance of overall use and acceptance for FSO/scenario use. No question that the He-111, Betty and Judy are all clearly needed at some point for scenario's etc. All however are sorely lacking (with the possible exception of the Judy) for MA use. One option is to add planes that saw low production like the Grace or a russian plane like the Tu-2 as an alternative. The only german plane that would "fit" is the Me-410 which had anemic payload compared to the A-26 or the Tu-2 and is really a fighter like the 110.
Since the game is more tactical then strategic the real "perk value" in a bomber lies more in its ability to play the role of a multi dimensional strike aircraft then function as a true bomber. The A-20, IL-2, B-25, mosquito and 110 all fill this role to some degree. The A-26 is simply a potentially better platform that would allow for a larger payload (6,000 lbs), greater range, higher speed and more firepower then any current option currently viewed as a "bomber" in this "strike aircraft" role.
The added strength in the A-26 should enhance its E fighting capability (probably at some expense to handling) vs the A-20 while providing increased capability in dive bombing. In effect the A-26 should be able to fly farther and faster and deliver more ords while having a greater ability to act in both an air to air or air to ground roll after expending ords then anything currently in the game by a wide margin. Its the combined capability that might merit a "prekie" not any single aspect of the plane.
So for the Axis Judy or Me-410?
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The Judy or the 410 would be good planes to have but neither is good enough to be a perk ride.
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The Judy or the 410 would be good planes to have but neither is good enough to be a perk ride.
And there the problem. :(
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And there the problem. :(
It's not a problem, it just means that they shouldn't/can't really be perk rides.
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It's not a problem, it just means that they shouldn't/can't really be perk rides.
Well the problem here is the Axis really don't have any thing that come close to the A-26.
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Well the problem here is the Axis really don't have any thing that come close to the A-26.
And? It just means that there really isn't any alternative to a perked bomber apart from the A-26.
After we have that perked bomber, then I'm all for adding something from the Axis, probably for scenarios.
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And? It just means that there really isn't any alternative to a perked bomber apart from the A-26.
After we have that perked bomber, then I'm all for adding something from the Axis, probably for scenarios.
Im fine with the A-26 but i can't think any other Axis bomber to be added like the A-26. :huh
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I agree. a 26 invaders are very agile fast bomber/tankbuster/rocket armed interceptor i hope that they will soon add it!
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I agree. a 26 invaders are very agile fast bomber/tankbuster/rocket armed interceptor i hope that they will soon add it!
Glad to hear it, thanks for the support :D
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Glad to hear it, thanks for the support :D
Well first of all we need more Axis planes we all know that but i would love to see the A-26 be added but i see no place for it now.
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Well first of all we need more Axis planes we all know that but i would love to see the A-26 be added but i see no place for it now.
Wow thanks for the insite on this never knew you felt that way :salute
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Wow thanks for the insite on this never knew you felt that way :salute
Same what i just said scared me to. :uhoh
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Well first of all we need more Axis planes we all know that but i would love to see the A-26 be added but i see no place for it now.
IIRC we've already had this argument.
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IIRC we've already had this argument.
Let this thread die?
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Let this thread die?
Stop posting and it will.
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OK no more post starting..................... ............................. ..........now!
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Well if it dies for too long I'll eventually wind up creating another one, which I doubt anyone will like, so I'll answer any questions anyone has in here for now.
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Is there any Axis planes that can beat the A-26?
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Is there any Axis planes that can beat the A-26?
Yeah, any of their single engine fighters. The A-26 is not an uber plane and can easily be out flown by a fighter.
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Yeah, any of their single engine fighters. The A-26 is not an uber plane and can easily be out flown by a fighter.
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Not a single engine fighter i mean a two engine one.
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Not a single engine fighter i mean a two engine one.
Then you should be more specific in your questions rather than being vague.
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Then you should be more specific in your questions rather than being vague.
ack-ack
It just asking the same questions that been made in this post.
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Right, lets add the A-26 and the B-29 and move onto more Spitfires. :aok
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Right, lets add the A-26 and the B-29 and move onto more Spitfires. :aok
Sure thing then we wait for axis planes for 10 more years. Good thinking it work out for every one. :aok
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Yes, I am sure I want to reply, because I feel this thread lays out all the reasons for adding the A-26 very concisely, and I do not feel that if I were to start a new thread, that it would be of a higher quality.
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Yes, I am sure I want to reply, because I feel this thread lays out all the reasons for adding the A-26 very concisely, and I do not feel that if I were to start a new thread, that it would be of a higher quality.
I agree with the above statement, but let us not forget that the polls have spoken. B25 > A26 > Yak3. :lol :lol :cry :cry :rofl :rofl we fail.
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I agree with the above statement, but let us not forget that the polls have spoken. B25 > A26 > Yak3. :lol :lol :cry :cry :rofl :rofl we fail.
Maybe so, but it'll keep some people happy.
"The people have spoken" ;)
P.S. You forgot the P39
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Maybe so, but it'll keep some people happy.
"The people have spoken" ;)
P.S. You forgot the P39
Just because the A26 won the vote does not mean the people will be more satisfied with it than the other choices once it is added.
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Give it time, broha, give em time to build and computerize, the a26 will come.
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Well, someone just bumped that He-111 thread, and I decided that it's been way too long since the last A-26 request. So, here goes:
(http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/middle/9/5/6/1374659.jpg)
Here's a link to a very recent post with videos about the A-26:
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,247368.0.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,247368.0.html)
And here's the video website itself:
http://www.zenoswarbirdvideos.com/MATINEE.html (http://www.zenoswarbirdvideos.com/MATINEE.html)
Now, as for why I think we should have this aeroplane next:
a) It came out in 3rd place in the vote HiTech Creations held, below the B-25 (first place) and the P-39 (second place). We have had both the B-25 and P-39 added already, so it would make sense that the A-26 be added next. After that, in my opinion the other planes in the vote should be added, according to what people wanted the most. The results of that vote are in this thread:
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,202838.0.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,202838.0.html)
b) It would be a very popular aeroplane amongst many players. Whilst I am aware that there are a lot of people who want the He-111, the speed, survivability and firepower of the A-26 Invader would give it a very prominent role as a light bomber.
c) The A-26 is a good enough aeroplane in my view that it would be worthy of a perk point price. If this were the case, it would give us all a much-needed way to spend our bomber perks (aside from the Ar-234).
If anyone is interested about finding out more about this plane, here are some links that contain information on it:
http://www.warbirdalley.com/a26.htm (http://www.warbirdalley.com/a26.htm)
http://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/detail.asp?aircraft_id=91 (http://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/detail.asp?aircraft_id=91)
http://members.tripod.com/a26invader/ (http://members.tripod.com/a26invader/)
and where exactly are the gunner positions or is this "LIGHT BOMBER" suppose to dogfight 109's and A6M's???
-FYB
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and where exactly are the gunner positions or is this "LIGHT BOMBER" suppose to dogfight 109's and A6M's???
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You ever get into a dogfight with someone who knows how to fly an A-20?
And who ever said it would dogfight against an A6m? Thats just crazy talk!!
If you happen upon somebody who knows how to handle his "Light bomber"( Mossie, 110,A20 etc.) chances are you will get your arse handed to you. An A-26 wouldn't be any different.
Gunner positions? We don't need no stinkin gunner positions!!
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You ever get into a dogfight with someone who knows how to fly an A-20?
And who ever said it would dogfight against an A6m? Thats just crazy talk!!
If you happen upon somebody who knows how to handle his "Light bomber"( Mossie, 110,A20 etc.) chances are you will get your arse handed to you. An A-26 wouldn't be any different.
Gunner positions? We don't need no stinkin gunner positions!!
true, ive seen people in A-20's but not for very long.
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true, ive seen people in A-20's but not for very long.
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Obviously you've never seen anybody good in an A20 ;)
If you happen upon somebody who knows how to handle his "Light bomber"( Mossie, 110,A20 etc.) chances are you will get your arse handed to you. An A-26 wouldn't be any different.
Hey, now! The 110 is no 'light bomber', it's a 'heavy fighter'! Do not disrespect the 'Zerstoerer'! :)
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OH, trust me i have but he kinda collided into the magical "i pop up into your face" tree. ;)
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and where exactly are the gunner positions or is this "LIGHT BOMBER" suppose to dogfight 109's and A6M's???
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I have shot down multiple fighters in the B-25H without using any gun turrets, and not only in HOs. The A-26 is far better powered and more manoeuverable than the B-25 from what I've heard.
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true, ive seen people in A-20's but not for very long.
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Humble would smack you out of the sky in 2 turns.
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some people that fly a20 and make your flight a nightmare in about 5 sec
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some people that fly a20 and make your flight a nightmare in about 5 sec
I couldn't agree more with that statement!!
The A-26 in the right hands could become your worst nightmare real quick!
This plane would have the potential to become a serious threat to almost every plane in this game! For its size its pretty damn manuverable, its fast, and has awesome firepower.
It is most certainly not a dweeb plane like the Tempest or "C" Hog , Punkstang etc. But it would merit a small perk until its impact on the game was determined.
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true, ive seen people in A-20's but not for very long.
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perhaps you just havent run into the right one yet :lol
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Humble would smack you out of the sky in 2 turns.
I hate to think what he'd do to most of the player base (me certainly included ;)) if he had an A-26 at his disposal.
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You ever get into a dogfight with someone who knows how to fly an A-20?
Yes and from these fights I've come to the conclusion that the A-20 just isn't a match if up against a well flown fighter. YMMV.
happen upon somebody who knows how to handle his "Light bomber"( Mossie, 110,A20 etc.) chances are you will get your arse handed to you. An A-26 wouldn't be any different.
Chances are if the A-20 driver runs into a player that is just as skilled or more so then he is, the fighter is going to win. AnA-26 wouldn't be any different
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Yes and from these fights I've come to the conclusion that the A-20 just isn't a match if up against a well flown fighter. YMMV.
Chances are if the A-20 driver runs into a player that is just as skilled or more so then he is, the fighter is going to win. AnA-26 wouldn't be any different
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And what are the odds of an A-20 flown by someone such as yourself coming upon an equally skilled fighter pilot?
I think the "key" words in your statement are "well flown".
I never said that an A-20 or A-26 would win every encounter that occured, and I don't think anyone else has either.
But that said, both of those planes should be approached with caution.
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And what are the odds of an A-20 flown by someone such as yourself coming upon an equally skilled fighter pilot?
I think the "key" words in your statement are "well flown".
I never said that an A-20 or A-26 would win every encounter that occured, and I don't think anyone else has either.
But that said, both of those planes should be approached with caution.
I feel noobish, i got shot to hell by an A-20 when i was flying my super uber B-17G. :(
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perhaps you just havent run into the right one yet :lol
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As with any plane, in the right hands the A-26 would be extremely dangerous.
In a book I have (no, I don't know how accurate it is, but it looks quite reliable), they have a quote from an A-26 pilot where he says that the A-26 could turn with a Bf-109 (I don't know which version) under certain air conditions.
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just bumpen it up on the BB will comment 2morrow
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just figured I would revive this wish. The A-26 would be a cool addition to the frustratingly fantastic AH.
+1 :cheers:
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+1 but...
(http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm134/waystin2/NecroBumpBatman.jpg)
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Not before the He 111, G4M, Ki-43, Lagg-3, and many others. Like we need more main arena bomb trucks... :rolleyes:
Oh, and if it's between bumping an old thread and starting a new A-26 thread, I actually prefer the former.
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Not before the He 111, G4M, Ki-43, Lagg-3, and many others. Like we need more main arena bomb trucks... :rolleyes:
Oh, and if it's between bumping an old thread and starting a new A-26 thread, I actually prefer the former.
To be honest, I've almost bumped this one several times, but in the end I couldn't be bothered :P Also, I support this bump, because any other wish for the A-26 will contain pretty much the same material.
With that out of the way:
+1 for A-26!
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Just think. If there was a perk price to bombers then we'd actually have people who would try and land them. :lol JU-88, a bomber far more capable then the 111, 365/k to 3172/D for a LW k/d of 0.12% . KI-67 a k/d of 0.22 " I always got 2 to 5 kills in them when I flew them". B-25C 0.12. I could go on.
Ive sat there in flak watching clouds of use once and throw away bombers falling from the sky. So why introduce a LW perked uber ride, and the excitement behind it, when you can bring in more k/d machines of 0.12 ?
The Historian in me understands the calls for the 111s and the Bettys and their presence, which was huge in the war. The gamer in me calls for a plane people would actually fly. I guess a happy medium would be the TU-2. :D
Tough call. I understand both sides of the arguement.
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For me, a big part of the frustration is that we just ran the BoB without the He 111 again in FSO. We can't even do a proper Russian front setup with all of the fighter and bomber aircraft we're missing. Lastly, if it weren't for FSO, a large number of people would quit the game outright after a year or so of the main arenas, myself included. On the other hand, the aircraft requirements for a playable main arena were met a long time ago.
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Scenarios are boring.
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As with any plane, in the right hands the A-26 would be extremely dangerous.
In a book I have (no, I don't know how accurate it is, but it looks quite reliable), they have a quote from an A-26 pilot where he says that the A-26 could turn with a Bf-109 (I don't know which version) under certain air conditions.
EDIT: very interesting website here: http://www.b-26marauderarchive.org/ms/MS1733/MS1733.htm (http://www.b-26marauderarchive.org/ms/MS1733/MS1733.htm)
I think that upper gunner could outturn most fiters in ww2 :D. btw that website is gone. now there's only a bunch of ads.
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I think that upper gunner could outturn most fiters in ww2 :D. btw that website is gone. now there's only a bunch of ads.
semp
Haha, very true!
Also, here's a cached version of the website:
http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cache:odOZeBMpJAQJ:www.b-26marauderarchive.org/ms/MS1733/MS1733.htm+http://www.b-26marauderarchive.org/ms/MS1733/MS1733.htm&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk&client=firefox-a (http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cache:odOZeBMpJAQJ:www.b-26marauderarchive.org/ms/MS1733/MS1733.htm+http://www.b-26marauderarchive.org/ms/MS1733/MS1733.htm&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk&client=firefox-a)
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WOOOOHOOOO the A-26 thread is back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :rock :pray :x :cheers: :banana: :joystick: :airplane: :bolt:
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Back and IN - LONG LIVE the A-26 - :banana:
HP51
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Yep - this would be the most awesome bomber in the game! :D