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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Yenny on October 16, 2008, 01:36:01 PM
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I was bored at work so I surfed youtube ! I found a very good video that demonstrate how the lag roll and E fight were used back in WWII.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EzXdSN9agg&feature=related
I love flying and all that but I like the realistic side of thing more then just go up get an F4U that can do things that it shouldn't be able to do and abuse it. I like tactics that were used in RL more then just some crazy tactic that was adapted just to suit AHII flying style. I mean I love tnb w/ Agent360 and all it's fun as hell, but I prefer not to get into that type of fighting unless I have to or feel like to!. Which why sometime I use tactics that people get pissed off such as E fighting :confused:. Which I think it's all valid fighting style depending on the air plane. I like to max my plane performance in a fight where the lil 100 feet/s or 40 mph faster will mean getting shot down or not.
Some folks say that it's the pilot not the plane. To me that's BS, no matter how good a pilot is, when he goes up vs another pilot with equal skill that flys a better plane. He will have a hard time getting the advantage. The pilot in the better plane will always use his advantage and not let the one in the lower performance plane take the lead. People claiming they can outturn/manuever an La-7 while flying a D-9, I've yet to see. You know who you are! when you can do that get me, I wanna learn too!
Here was a vid that I got flame for, because I used my D-9 advantage over the La-7 in a 1 v 1. We merged at about 8K, I took the La-7 above 10K after the merge. I was never farther then 2K away on the merge from the La-7. The fight was about 1 min 30 secs. All I did was using my D9 engine power to rope the La-7. A valid RL tactic. Which totally got me flamed for a good 20 pages =p. Damn me for not tnb w/ an La-7 in a 1 v 1 situation! I think I put the D-9 to its max climbing performance vs the La-7. Well I knew the D-9 could out climb the La-7 above 10K which was why I just spiral cimb and bait the la-7 on my tail, making him think he should have the shot.
http://files.filefront.com/FW+190D9+v+LA7+0000ahf/;10033213;/fileinfo.html
Again it's totally retarded how other people who think they are better then other player trying to impose their playin style on other peeps. Of course forum bashing etc. I've seen a lot of spits and F4U pilots talking smack on 200 when they run into a 190 that will E fighting them. In my head I'd just say, damn if that guy only fly something other then EZ mode plane then he has the right to complain. Most 190 pilot fly its for historical reason. I mainly fly LW birds, 95% of all my sorties are in 190s and 109s. I know these birds are a lot harder to fly and they don't offer as much as the other planes do but hey I love LW birds so I stick with them. I'll use their advantage whenever I can. Which why a lot of time in 190 I will BnZ, In 109s though I'll tnb it all day long because it sux at BnZ. That's just how I use my plane to its advantage.
I'm totally against take a plane up and just fly til you're out of ammo/gas and die. What's special bout that I can do that anyday, I think making it home is where the challange is at. Making other plane goes boom is easy, making it out and bring your bird home is the hard part. Of course also not being timid while doing that. BnZ or TnB it's both very hard to bring the bird home. Usually try to go and land even if I only got 2-3 kills. It's just more rewarding and fun for me then just suicide it and get another bird. Well back to work for me =/
/rant on !
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It cant be accurate! The P51s could out turn the 109s and out run them! It must be anti-axis bias! :rofl
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Just read this with interest Yenny and of course you are absolutely right about the fighting tactics for the 190. It's nick name among the WWII airforces was the "Burther Bird" - it would swoop down from a high level and in one overpowering gun run destroy it's victims in seconds. Then climbing back up to it's high perch to reconoiter out another pigeon to pounce on. Classic Boom 'n Zoom!!
Regarding the La7 - late war Luftwaffe doctrine ordered FW190's not to engage La's below 5km (approx 15k). They were just too superior below that level. Kinda hard to do that with current play.
I understand your comments regarding "trash talk" here - it's the old war between arcade/sports players and historical players. All ya can do is ignore their whinning and move on holding your head high. WE are indeed the PURE of HEART holding to our conviction to fly it like it was meant to be!! (OK a little chest thumping here - heheheh)
I suspect very few of those who complain about standard Luftwaffe 190 fighter manauvers know much about what it excells at and it's limitations. I certainly don't get upset when I see Spits involved in TnB and trash em to stop and fight in ways that will guarantee their destruction. Spits tended to fight in the horizontal - 190's in the vertical.
It's an argument that has no solution and won't go away for some - they feel it is their right to insist EVERYONE fly in ways that did not happen in RL.
My view - Fight YOUR plane as you see best fit and let others do the same - respectfully.
...just MHO - Safe Skys
cheers eh!
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Since Hitech says this game was not designed as a WW2 Simulation there is no problem with most not flying at 20 or 30k. Many folks in AH are history buffs. Many just want to fly a plane that most will never be able to fly in RL.
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Since Hitech says this game was not designed as a WW2 Simulation there is no problem with most not flying at 20 or 30k. Many folks in AH are history buffs. Many just want to fly a plane that most will never be able to fly in RL.
Maybe Hitech should change the front page of his web site then : WELCOME TO THE INTERNTS PREMIER WWII COMBAT EXPERIENCE!
If what you say is correct then at the least it could be viewed as false advertising - however I would prefer to believe that you misunderstood or are mistaken. I wouldn't like to think I've been duped out of my money.
...just MHO eh!
***edit - just so ya know - I'm increadibly happy with the level of "simulation" here :D - beats all others out there - just have a concern about the ongoing squabble : "My Way - no My Way" bashing that goes on - cheers eh!
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Since Hitech says this game was not designed as a WW2 Simulation there is no problem with most not flying at 20 or 30k. Many folks in AH are history buffs. Many just want to fly a plane that most will never be able to fly in RL.
You can't be serious...did Hitech happen to say exactly what it was designed as considering the WWII theme?
<<<---military history buff.
Yenny, I stumbled across that video a couple weeks ago, very cool. And you got flamed for pulling such tactics??? :huh
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Yenny, we've talked about this before, but, again...
If you want to fly a 190 with historical tactics, making sure you have all the cards, and making the bad guy fight your fight, and you have FUN, then GREAT! :aok
But don't ever, ever, ever expect people to be that impressed.
If you're cool with that, enjoy! But if you were really ok, why would you make this post?
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Guys, guys....if everybody flew like it was WW2 (i.e. you getting shot = it actually hurting and stuff), it'd be boring and/or frustrating as hell!
Some guys get off on stuff like that. Back in the day it was considered the gold standard. In WB's we had guys who had streaks in the 100's, and they weren't called losers or timid at all, they were considered some of the best sticks in the game.
Nowdays it all seems to be about "the fight"- but not only that, there are those who expect a P51 to turn n burn with a spit XVI- which ain't gonna happen.
There's a line between flying historically, and flying to your a/c strengths/weaknesses, and all to often that gets blurred into obscurity.
Just because that Thunderbolt will hang out a mile over your head and wait for you to look the other way doesn't make him a "skilless tard".
This is the oldest debate in the book, and it will continue until the ending of the earth. There are those who just see it as cartoon airplanes and pew pew pew, and others who see it as a recreation of the greatest air battle known to mankind and will treat their virtual life as their own.
Different strokes for different folks.
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Nowdays it all seems to be about "the fight"- but not only that, there are those who expect a P51 to turn n burn with a spit XVI- which ain't gonna happen.
You have to admit though, when you pull that off, it's a rush :aok
Fighting your fight & winning = fishing for Panfish (good, consistent fun!)
Fighting their fight & winning = fishing for lunker Pike (awesome, yet rarer fun!)
A good mix of both keeps you sane, IMO.
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Vudak check the date of Yennys post - last year - seeing it today for the 1st time and seeing he is still active here I posted my comments here with some background information and a show of support for his statements. :)
Rebel - yep - could use more attitude like yours. I've never understood some peoples necessity of speaking down/belittling others. :salute
cheers eh!
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Vudak check the date of Yennys post - last year - seeing it today for the 1st time and seeing he is still active here I posted my comments here with some background information and a show of support for his statements. :)
Rebel - yep - could use more attitude like yours. I've never understood some peoples necessity of speaking down/belittling others. :salute
cheers eh!
:o you got me! I'm very surprised this thing didn't take off to 20+ pages.
It's not always speaking down, Wreked. It's just the name of the game. If you were flying in a zeke, what would impress you more: the Corsair that employs historic tactics and shoots you down, or the Corsair that breaks every rule and shoots you down?
Not saying one's right and one's wrong. If you have fun, do as you wish. I just think part of the problem comes from historic types feeling they don't get proper recognition (or don't like the editorial slant of the recognition they do receive :D )
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It's a false dichotomy to pretend there's no challenge in flying balls out VS making it home. The two are apples and oranges. You can just as well fly "suicidally" and still make it home. You could just as well pretend that flying historically is lacking any challenge since, when it's done right, you face zero peril, zero danger, zero risk. Everything happens like clockwork and you could arguably let a robot do the flying for you.
Neither one (defined correctly) is superior or inferior.
It's an argument that has no solution and won't go away for some - they feel it is their right to insist EVERYONE fly in ways that did not happen in RL.
Strawman.You can't be serious...did Hitech happen to say exactly what it was designed as considering the WWII theme?
The Main Arenas aren't WWII. They're air combat with the machine actors of WWII. As he put it most recently: "no fight, no fun".
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You can't be serious...did Hitech happen to say exactly what it was designed as considering the WWII theme?
I don't really want to take the time and dig up the quote, but he's said something to the affect of 'it's an MMO with accurately modeled WWII vehicles'.
I also very much enjoy learning about military history, but I don't fly as conservatively as I would in real life in the main arenas. It's just not as fun that way.
"cv isn't the only answer"
Boxboy, you make the assumption there is a problem in your first statement, level bombers was not a tactic used. And continue to with "The only answer" which also implies a problem.
Not to jump on you, but could it be that there really is not a problem?
As we have said, this is not a sim of WWII. It is a game/sim using WWII equipment.
Your request of wanting to eliminate level bombing of ships because it was not done very often in WWII is trying to simulate WWII, not the equipment.
HiTech
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Maybe HT should take at look at that U-Tube clip and rethink their P-51 modeling. The P-51 in Aces High may very well be the most under modeled plane it the game.
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Maybe HT should take at look at that U-Tube clip and rethink their P-51 modeling. The P-51 in Aces High may very well be the most under modeled plane it the game.
Yup, HT should look at the History Channels research and graphics department for modeling the P51. :lol
I'm curious as to how that video suggests that the Mustang is significantly under-modeled. Have you ever flown the Mustang (in game of course) over 20,000'?
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Yenny,
You always fly to your own planes strengths And abilities and know your planes limitations. Not to your opponents strengths.
In a turn fight I know I can take my D9 maybe a couple of turns around before its time to get out of dodge and extend. r to use and entirely different manuver.
Fighting to your enemies strengths is usually folly under most circumstances.
The trick is to goad your opponent into fighting your way while not letting him goad you into fighting his.
As for the History Channel. I wouldnt want to bet anything valuable as to their total accuracy all the time either.
Anyone remember the video they used to show about the P-51 D while all the while showing clips of a P-51B?
Remember. the HC is trying to be entertaining. Not a history teacher. They dont have to be 100% accurate. Just entertaining enough to keep you watching.
Im sure a few others here could chime in about their creative licensing
As for being able to out turn the 109. That would also depend on circumstances altitude and models of aircraft involved
Same thing with max speeds
Model XP-51 P-51A P-51B/C-1 P-51B/C P-51D/K P-51H
Maximum Speed 382 @ 13k 390 @ 20k 430 @ 25k 439 @ 25k 437 @ 25k 487 @ 25k
http://www.mustangsmustangs.com/p-51/p51specs.shtml
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Guys, guys....if everybody flew like it was WW2 (i.e. you getting shot = it actually hurting and stuff), it'd be boring and/or frustrating as hell!
Some guys get off on stuff like that. Back in the day it was considered the gold standard. In WB's we had guys who had streaks in the 100's, and they weren't called losers or timid at all, they were considered some of the best sticks in the game.
True, but some of the most amazing streaks I ever saw put together were by -deft- in the P-40E, flying it against late war aircraft.
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True, but some of the most amazing streaks I ever saw put together were by -deft- in the P-40E, flying it against late war aircraft.
And most of the best kill sorties in Aces High as I remember were brought on by Drex and his Hellkitty of doom :)
Deft was....weird. Very very good, but...weird. LOL
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I try to fly my plane using its strengths to win the fight, there's no way I would try and TnB with a hurricane, if he complains I wont tnb with him, why did he not try and e fight with me :D. I think the better player uses his strengths of his plane to out match his enemy. Like its been said people play different reasons, as longs as you have fun thats what counts, and if you are in a TnB plane instead of complaining the other guy just BnZ you, maybe you should have thought more tactically and tried to get him in a turn fight.
:salute
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Very often here the critics get at you if you don't fly the plane they like, or fly how they like to fly. Sorry but I'm here for my amusement not someone elses.
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Here is what I do know about the P-51 it is one of only two prop fighters to severe in the the 1970s. The ME-109 with the Spanish air force until the 1960s and the P-51 in Central America until the 80s. The US shot down more than a few MiG-15s in Korea in the 51s. A family friend who was a WWII pilot owned a P-51 and flew it in air shows until he was killed in an aircraft accident in 67. I never flew in it but I saw what it could do first hand. Trust me when I say HT has the 51s under modeled.
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Very often here the critics get at you if you don't fly the plane they like, or fly how they like to fly. Sorry but I'm here for my amusement not someone elses.
well you certainly amuse me! Your one funny looking dude ! :aok
If you fly a BnZ plane to its strengths yes you can do well, but almost anyone can do that. But if you take a BnZ plane and turn and burn with a hurri and win..... ah well thats a whole nother story!
Fly how you like, just don't HO me and well get a long fine ! :aok
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Here is what I do know about the P-51 it is one of only two prop fighters to severe in the the 1970s. The ME-109 with the Spanish air force until the 1960s and the P-51 in Central America until the 80s. The US shot down more than a few MiG-15s in Korea in the 51s. A family friend who was a WWII pilot owned a P-51 and flew it in air shows until he was killed in an aircraft accident in 67. I never flew in it but I saw what it could do first hand. Trust me when I say HT has the 51s under modeled.
The 51 in AH can be a VERY uber plane if you take the time to learn to fly it well.
As a BnZ plane its one of the best, and yes, you can surprise a lot of people by getting slow and do some TnBin in as well.
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Here is what I do know about the P-51 it is one of only two prop fighters to severe in the the 1970s. The ME-109 with the Spanish air force until the 1960s and the P-51 in Central America until the 80s. The US shot down more than a few MiG-15s in Korea in the 51s. A family friend who was a WWII pilot owned a P-51 and flew it in air shows until he was killed in an aircraft accident in 67. I never flew in it but I saw what it could do first hand. Trust me when I say HT has the 51s under modeled.
You didn't say anything that would tell me the P51 is undermodeled.
The 51 in AH can be a VERY uber plane if you take the time to learn to fly it well.
As a BnZ plane its one of the best, and yes, you can surprise a lot of people by getting slow and do some TnBin in as well.
One of the things that makes the P51 so popular with newer players, I think, is that it's a very easy aircraft to fly. This is something common among American fighters. For the most part they're difficult to push past the edge, and easy to recover if you do actually pass it. It's (IMO) very easy to get a surprising amount of performance out of the fighter, and even though it doesn't turn well on paper it's no slouch in practice, especially with its flaps.
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OK, I got to chime in.
Motherland the P51 is not an easy plane to fly. Theres a reason why it is usually the most killed plane in the game.
Yenny I agree with you 100%, Dreidlock you too.!
<S> Sr
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OK, I got to chime in.
Motherland the P51 is not an easy plane to fly. Theres a reason why it is usually the most killed plane in the game.
Yes, the most flown plane in the game will usually be the most killed. The P51D also has a better K/D ratio than the Spitfire MK XVI, or the La 7, or the N1K, etc... in fact, the only 'popular' plane with a better K/D is the Typhoon, but the P51D has twice as many kills as that aircraft..
The few times I've flown it I was surprised by it's flight characteristics. It's comparatively easy to get a lot of performance out of it. It may not have the best performance but compared to other air craft (such as the P38, 109, Ta 152H-1, etc...) it's pretty easy to push it to the edge. Its flight characteristics outside of combat flight are among the best in the game IMO. It's simply a joy to fly.
There's a reason why it's so popular :)
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Yenny
What a breath of fresh air!! You've proclaimed yourself a "simmer", as opposed to "gamer". Continue, and the insults and whines will continue... look at them as proof that you hold to a higher standard. You are part of a dying breed. Carry on the good fight brother!
Tumor
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From my perspective you are both talking past each other. Yes, it's easy to rack up kills in the P-51 if you keep it fast and pick your fights, but it's challenging to fight with from a position of disadvantage, especially against an enemy aircraft with good powerloading. Skatsr is one of the best I've seen at fighting in the P-51 from a disadvantage.
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OK, I got to chime in.
Motherland the P51 is not an easy plane to fly. Theres a reason why it is usually the most killed plane in the game.
Yenny I agree with you 100%, Dreidlock you too.!
<S> Sr
You're one of those guys I'd expect could play a better turner's game and come out on top now and then... At least that's been my personal, wing missing, falling to earth, experience.
If you got that way without ever trying it, I'd sure like to know how :)
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It cant be accurate! The P51s could out turn the 109s and out run them! It must be anti-axis bias! :rofl
It wasn't accurate, or rather the interpretation of the situation on your part wasn't accurate. The Mustang can easily turn inside a 109 if the 109 is flying faster. Just as the one experienced 109 driver later turned tighter than the faster pursuing Mustangs.
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Some folks say that it's the pilot not the plane. To me that's BS, no matter how good a pilot is, when he goes up vs another pilot with equal skill that flys a better plane.
There is a serious error in rational thinking here.
If pilots are equal in skill then (and only then) the plane makes the difference.
Not to mention the spelling.
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There is a serious error in rational thinking here.
If pilots are equal in skill then (and only then) the plane makes the difference.
Not to mention the spelling.
The only error in rational thinking here is your straw-man. His point was the same as yours, just poorly expressed.
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What would be interesting would be to take four good 51B sticks and have them work in historical two plane elements led by a flight leader and then to have four good 109 sticks (not sure which 109 would be the best here) using historical german tactics and put them up at 30K and have them all go at it. Go for the kill!
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What would be interesting would be to take four good 51B sticks and have them work in historical two plane elements led by a flight leader and then to have four good 109 sticks (not sure which 109 would be the best here) using historical german tactics and put them up at 30K and have them all go at it. Go for the kill!
A more accurate way to do it would be to take 4 good pony sticks, one good 109 stick and 3 guys who can kinda stay in formation if they try hard enough.
Put the Pony sticks in P51B's and the rest in Bf 109G-6's (not sure exactly what time period the above dogfight took place but the G-6 was in pretty widespread use from mid-1943 on).
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I think it is futile to compare pilots who flew in WWII and the way they performed their tactics
to people who play flight sims, even very accurately modeled with the best data to be known of........
How many hours of flying / dog fighting did an American, British, German, Australian, Finland, French, Russian, Japanese, etc WWII pilot have to actually be able to truly learn every in and out of his assigned fighter?
now compare that to the thousands and thousands of Flight sim hours some players have of the same aircraft.......
the only other thing would be, if the flight sim pilot of multi thousands of hours of practice was man enough to lay it on the line......
if he was I would take him over any WWII fighter pilot.........
we always see posts that planes in This flightsim or that flightsim are uber or do things that was imossible in real life....well seriously people........ those beloved WWII fighter pilots that fought for our ancestors freedom ( regardless of which country ) only had lets say 1/64th of the seat time in their planes compared to a flightsimmer who has flown flightsims ( WWII flight sims ) for 15 to 20 years........
I am not disrespecting any WWII Veteran, God love em and thank you.....but just think about it!!!!
and seriously........people have learned how to fly planes and fly them very very well from flight sims, and from flight sims that are near as basic visually looking as Air warrior looked back in 1989.........
heck, some of the Navy Flight Simulators I tested on back in 86/87/88 was no different looking than that old Arcade Game called Tanks......... the simulator was so basic, black screen with 2 green lines for a runway....redlines for the tower..blue lines for the sky....... the controls were real though........and you could even fly under ground ( if they had collision turned off ) ;)
so keep to your historical tactics......... but also consider that we have come along way since the 1940's and we have learned a helluva a lot more knowledge about every plane at the same time.........
and play this game to have fun, if it's not fun..don't do it!!! ( <---stole that from NB )
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A more accurate way to do it would be to take 4 good pony sticks, one good 109 stick and 3 guys who can kinda stay in formation if they try hard enough.
Put the Pony sticks in P51B's and the rest in Bf 109G-6's (not sure exactly what time period the above dogfight took place but the G-6 was in pretty widespread use from mid-1943 on).
What makes you so sure all 4 ponies were good sticks? ;)
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As the 109s go I like the 109-F4 and the 109-G2 the best. I know they are not as fast as later models and the gun package is not as good. But I do like the way they fly at mid range speeds and the air speed pick up in a short distance and clime rate is very good. But I am a Pony driver most the time. It took a while to learn the 51 but I can go to a large air field and kill all the ords and fly away even with defenders in the air. It is not a good bird for a person new to AH to jump right into I don't think. But It is very much worth the time to learn to fly it.
R-105
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the only other thing would be, if the flight sim pilot of multi thousands of hours of practice was man enough to lay it on the line......
if he was I would take him over any WWII fighter pilot.........
And the first time he try's a high g move that he's done a million times in AHII he blacks out and nose dives into the ground.
In fact, i'd say that at least 90% of the people that play, myself included, wouldn't even be able to get a Real WWII bird off the ground without smoking an engine, or blowing out some hydraulic line somewhere because we didn't know what lever to pull, or knob to turn.
But in game, it all depends on the mood. If you want to fly your ride to it's strengths more power to you. If you want to fly a dora like a spit just for kicks, if you're having fun, who cares what anyone thinks or says.
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WOW! The P-51 was over 50mph faster than the 109?! I love learning stuff from Dogfights.
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I was bored at work so I surfed youtube ! I found a very good video that demonstrate how the lag roll and E fight were used back in WWII.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EzXdSN9agg&feature=related
I love flying and all that but I like the realistic side of thing more then just go up get an F4U that can do things that it shouldn't be able to do and abuse it. I like tactics that were used in RL more then just some crazy tactic that was adapted just to suit AHII flying style. I mean I love tnb w/ Agent360 and all it's fun as hell, but I prefer not to get into that type of fighting unless I have to or feel like to!. Which why sometime I use tactics that people get pissed off such as E fighting :confused:. Which I think it's all valid fighting style depending on the air plane. I like to max my plane performance in a fight where the lil 100 feet/s or 40 mph faster will mean getting shot down or not.
Some folks say that it's the pilot not the plane. To me that's BS, no matter how good a pilot is, when he goes up vs another pilot with equal skill that flys a better plane. He will have a hard time getting the advantage. The pilot in the better plane will always use his advantage and not let the one in the lower performance plane take the lead. People claiming they can outturn/manuever an La-7 while flying a D-9, I've yet to see. You know who you are! when you can do that get me, I wanna learn too!
Here was a vid that I got flame for, because I used my D-9 advantage over the La-7 in a 1 v 1. We merged at about 8K, I took the La-7 above 10K after the merge. I was never farther then 2K away on the merge from the La-7. The fight was about 1 min 30 secs. All I did was using my D9 engine power to rope the La-7. A valid RL tactic. Which totally got me flamed for a good 20 pages =p. Damn me for not tnb w/ an La-7 in a 1 v 1 situation! I think I put the D-9 to its max climbing performance vs the La-7. Well I knew the D-9 could out climb the La-7 above 10K which was why I just spiral cimb and bait the la-7 on my tail, making him think he should have the shot.
http://files.filefront.com/FW+190D9+v+LA7+0000ahf/;10033213;/fileinfo.html
Again it's totally retarded how other people who think they are better then other player trying to impose their playin style on other peeps. Of course forum bashing etc. I've seen a lot of spits and F4U pilots talking smack on 200 when they run into a 190 that will E fighting them. In my head I'd just say, damn if that guy only fly something other then EZ mode plane then he has the right to complain. Most 190 pilot fly its for historical reason. I mainly fly LW birds, 95% of all my sorties are in 190s and 109s. I know these birds are a lot harder to fly and they don't offer as much as the other planes do but hey I love LW birds so I stick with them. I'll use their advantage whenever I can. Which why a lot of time in 190 I will BnZ, In 109s though I'll tnb it all day long because it sux at BnZ. That's just how I use my plane to its advantage.
I'm totally against take a plane up and just fly til you're out of ammo/gas and die. What's special bout that I can do that anyday, I think making it home is where the challange is at. Making other plane goes boom is easy, making it out and bring your bird home is the hard part. Of course also not being timid while doing that. BnZ or TnB it's both very hard to bring the bird home. Usually try to go and land even if I only got 2-3 kills. It's just more rewarding and fun for me then just suicide it and get another bird. Well back to work for me =/
/rant on !
Too many typo's to take serious.
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WOW! The P-51 was over 50mph faster than the 109?! I love learning stuff from Dogfights.
A P-51B was rated at 440 mph @ 27k, the Bf 109G-6 was rated at 389 mph at 22k. That's 51 mph. In aces high, the P-51B can manage 443 at 27k and the 109G-6 can squeak out 391 mph at 22k (both at 25% fuel). That's a 52 mph difference. When both are at 27k, the P-51B can do 443 mph, and the 109G-6 about 370 mph. That's a 73 mph difference. Inasmuch as the B-17s were bombing from altitudes between 25k and 27k most of the time, the 109G-6 was badly over-matched against the Mustangs.
It was difficult for the 109G-6 pilots when facing P-51Bs, as the those Mustangs outclassed the G-6 by a significant margin in overall performance.
My regards,
Widewing
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Rebel - yep - could use more attitude like yours. I've never understood some peoples necessity of speaking down/belittling others. :salute
cheers eh!
You've never seen my squaddie Rebel on an "off-night". :devil
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Dogfights isn't real life.
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I think furball's point was that "50mph faster" passes for detailed analysis in Dogfights.
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I think furball's point was that "50mph faster" passes for detailed analysis in Dogfights.
Perhaps Dogfights wanted to appeal to those who were unfamiliar with the technical mumbo jumbo of WW2 fighter geeks....you know, the other 99% of humanity :rolleyes:
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And the first time he try's a high g move that he's done a million times in AHII he blacks out and nose dives into the ground.
In fact, i'd say that at least 90% of the people that play, myself included, wouldn't even be able to get a Real WWII bird off the ground without smoking an engine, or blowing out some hydraulic line somewhere because we didn't know what lever to pull, or knob to turn.
I too, would agree to this.........if I was refering to the 90% ( I think more like 98% ) of the flight sim player base.......
I was refering more to the 2%........my bad........and I meant to say......"any average regular WWII fighter pilot". Their are some greats out there.........
but you did not quote where I said we ( WWII plane buffs, ) know more today about the planes used in WWII than what was known at the initial time.......
ANYWAYS...........
long as everyone is having fun....... that's all that counts :aok