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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: LYNX on December 23, 2008, 08:41:38 AM
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Was trying to take a base but long story short it ended up with me in a Spit 16 v 2x Spit 16 + 1 x IL-2.
Having shot down both Spits the IL-2 was remaining. What should the IL-2 have done and guess what really happened.
1) Stay in and fight.
2) Try and run to ack while the dead friendlies came to the rescue.
3) Bail the moment my Spit had a chance of getting guns.
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One would hope he might try #1, but most in AH do #2, I think he might have done #3
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Though its lame (if he bailed), does it really matter? You got your kill anyway.
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I'm going to guess #3.
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No shame in #2, but I'm guessing #3.
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i would chose to do 1 and hope the spit was an idiot and try and hoe me
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No shame in #2, but I'm guessing #3.
Plenty of shame in #2. He wouldn't lose anything if gets shot down, he'll just get another plane.
#3 is about the only thing wussier (if thats even a word) than #2.
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oh no, shame in a video game what will he do. #2, #3
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Let's put it this way then. I'd still mock him for choosing #2 or #3.
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I cant immagine any one would want to bail and miss a good chance of winning the fight.
Not everyone on your six kills you. If they do one needs to be more open to things like turning the aircraft etc.
Sadly, I think I know how this story ended.
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#2 is the smart move, i'm guessing #3 though :(
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I personally would not blame him for choosing number 2. The IL2 is barely maneuverable, doesn't accelerate well, doesn't climb worth a damn, and the only real firepower it has is in the nose with the cannons. Most IL2's I have come acrossed and even when I fly them are on the deck which leaves you almost no option except trying to turn with him. Anything else will end in him catching you and shooting your tail off.
Now 3 I think is a little lame and would not do that in those circumstances, If I am going to be shot down I would rather have it happen while trying not to.
That being said I would fight but that is because most times I like to fly against losing odds. One time I killed a KI84 and an F4U1D in a single sortie with an IL2. Yes they were very tardy and I am sure the F4U was unaware that I was there until the rounds flew over his canopy.
As a guess though I will take it that he bailed without even an attempt.
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Knowing how low the standards are in the MA these days, I'd say, he tried for a HO, missed, then went to #2 and then when the game was up he went to #3
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Plenty of shame in #2. He wouldn't lose anything if gets shot down, he'll just get another plane.
Well, that's your opinion. Personally, I like it when my opponents make it a challenge to shoot them down. Using AAA to your advantage is good combat tactics in an Il-2, and sometimes in a fighter, too. Sure, I say "ack-hugger" sometimes when I see someone do it, but I would get bored quickly if every opponent gave me an easy shoot down when I arrive with an advantage over their own airbase, or if I make a mistake and don't shoot them down as quickly as I should (they run to AAA). If you don't like dealing with AAA, don't try to shoot people down over their own airbase. It's pretty simple. So, no, I don't see any shame in it.
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I'd still make fun of him for it. :aok
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#4 ) try to ho you and then complain about getting ganged on ch200.
You didn't have that so I guess number twee.
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Just like those P51 pilots who come in at 20k try to cherrypick and miss then run 10k away climb to 25K come back and try again then miss and run away like a little girl. Thats not a tactic thats "COWARDICE" what ya gonna lose a cartoon plane a point or 2 off youre rank. if ya get owned. Thats a boreing way to play a game built around ACM.....IMHO.
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Im going with Itunes 100%, most IL's go for the HO first,
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Was trying to take a base but long story short it ended up with me in a Spit 16 v 2x Spit 16 + 1 x IL-2.
Having shot down both Spits the IL-2 was remaining. What should the IL-2 have done and guess what really happened.
1) Stay in and fight.
2) Try and run to ack while the dead friendlies came to the rescue.
3) Bail the moment my Spit had a chance of getting guns.
he shoulda stayed in and shot ya down. my understanding is that a good il2 pile-it can run circles around a few of the uber planes in here.
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OK it's a 3 on 1. The IL-2 was the lower contact through out the engagement but he gets at least two shots of at me whilst I'm engaged with both Spit 16's. Having dispatched the 2 Spits I'm left with the IL-2 slightly lower below my six. I nose over to see him do exactly the same but as soon as get 400 off him he BAILED.
A lengthy PM ensued and it transpires that LTOWN has no respect for the way I play the game and that I am suspect and he wasn't going to give me free perkies.
I so need those perkies :rofl. Perhaps he would have more respect for my game play if I porked and augured or bombed and bailed or suicided Cv's or indeed, followed his fine example of sportsmanship.
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I love INteresting threads such as this one.
<S> Lynx
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I love INteresting threads such as this one.
<S> Lynx
ooooo don't be a schmuck!!!!!
play along!!! it's fun. :D
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Though its lame (if he bailed), does it really matter? You got your kill anyway.
I think it does matter. This guys example it's why we play here. Would you like it if half the guys you up to fight just hit the silk. It's gaming the game let alone cheesy after taking shots at me. One could have more fun or a better challenge from off line AI.
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I prefer option #4..
Turn around, grab some alt, smoke a doobie while the spits come back, and kill them again. :aok
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The IL2 is barely maneuverable
IL2 is quite manuverable
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IL2 is quite manuverable
put snaphook in one. i bet he lightens it for ya in short order. :D
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I prefer option #4..
Turn around, grab some alt, smoke a doobie while the spits come back, and kill them again. :aok
I hereby withdraw my #4 option posted above, yours is better.
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Sorry, fuze.
I will change mine to option #5.
I was quite hasty in my posting.
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Don't, yours is far and away the better #4 :D
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I fly the IL-2 a lot and I love when a enemy con is engaged with 1 or 2 friendlies. I'm almost always able to, if not get a poke on him, at least throw him off his game so my guys can get him.
1 on 1 against a spit I go right to the deck until the grass is hitting the IL-2s belly. I try and get the fighter flat and force an overshoot, then hit him with the big guns as hes trying to get away. The good sticks wont flatten against an IL-2. They fight you in the vertical and then you have a big problem. Either way I never quit or run.
Lynx would be the last guy I'd want to IL-2 against a spit with. But I dont believe in passive fighting which is probably why my scores arent that good.
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I'm going to mock options 2 and 3 and go with the VonMessa AH2 Mental Health Plan.
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I fly the IL-2 a lot and I love when a enemy con is engaged with 1 or 2 friendlies. I'm almost always able to, if not get a poke on him, at least throw him off his game so my guys can get him.
1 on 1 against a spit I go right to the deck until the grass is hitting the IL-2s belly. I try and get the fighter flat and force an overshoot, then hit him with the big guns as hes trying to get away. The good sticks wont flatten against an IL-2. They fight you in the vertical and then you have a big problem. Either way I never quit or run.
Lynx would be the last guy I'd want to IL-2 against a spit with. But I dont believe in passive fighting which is probably why my scores arent that good.
+1
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lol you were in a spixteen???
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IL2 is quite manuverable
not when comparing to the spixteen.
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not when comparing to the spixteen.
really comes down to who's in what don't you think?
A good stick could get a novice to overshoot in a spit 16, then unleash on him with the IL2's guns. Not hard to overshoot an IL2, they're slow :)
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really comes down to who's in what don't you think?
A good stick could get a novice to overshoot in a spit 16, then unleash on him with the IL2's guns. Not hard to overshoot an IL2, they're slow :)
well now if we compare those then a B17 can be as maneuverable as a zero if the pilot match up is right.
I will attempt to clarify yet again.
If pilots are nearly evenly matched and these are the 2 planes fighting then the spixteen will easily out maneuver the IL2, given the E-states are close to equal.
everybody has to be a wise arse :D
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Damn, didnt get in in time to bet 5$ on number 3.
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You should stay in there with any 1 on 1. If outnumbered I have no problem using anything including ack for self preservation. Only Bail when the Plane is disabled and can't be landed (or Crash landed). Saving My AH life is the #1 goal as it was for those in real Combat. So I say Ho Ho Ho if you're in my windshield you must go! :salute
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Was trying to take a base but long story short it ended up with me in a Spit 16 v 2x Spit 16 + 1 x IL-2.
Having shot down both Spits the IL-2 was remaining. What should the IL-2 have done and guess what really happened.
1) Stay in and fight.
2) Try and run to ack while the dead friendlies came to the rescue.
3) Bail the moment my Spit had a chance of getting guns.
Given the fact that you were "trying to take a base" :lol in a spit 16, he should have taken option:
4) Turn around and HO you :rofl
Exactly how do you take a base with a Spit16? Did you mean you were picking on low and slow planes right after take off, in a spit 16?
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I don't know the condition of the IL. If he was badly damaged, or no ammo, then I would do #2. If not, well then I'm there for the fight. No bailing until I see fire from my plane. Although I have fought until I explode, after being on fire, but I try not to make that a habit.
Coogan
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Fight, crash, burn. Rinse, repeat..
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LOL!!!
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Hmm, if that were my IL-2, I woulda done 1 and ho'ed you, because comeon! Are you seriously going to take your chances in a head on with 2 40 mm cannons? One hit from those, and you lost a wing, or two, or a brain....
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ok, I think he did a #2 in his pants,......then contemplated #1........which brought about a #1 & 2 in his pants,....then chose #3? :t
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I'm not sure what is worse, the fact he bailed on you to avoid a fight, or the fact a vet still flies a spit16.
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Ok try this for "what if"
Your a vet who has played the game for a long time. You are a better stick then most you will run into. You have won more 3 v1's then you even remember. You are trying to "take a base" in a spit16 and kill 2 planes that are trying to stop your m3's (im guessing) and an il2 bails (the fact an il2 is involved tells me gvs were present). The il2 bailing is a good thing because you get to keep ammo for future uppers....do you:
1. Take the base and appreciate the free kill...
2. Get annoyed that you dont get the satisfaction of finishing all 3 planes...but still take the base
3. Run to the forums and start a thread about it....
No offense Lynx but who gives a crap??? Are you not feeling recognized enough lately because this is the second thread I remember you starting about "mean players" vs you??? Ltown is not a countryman or squaddie of mine so I can care less about him....
Just wondering what the point of this thread was and if most vets chose to start threads about smack talkers or silly players how would this forum be?
As a vet I prefer to land my kills and enjoy the game. Because I'm a vet nothing suprises me and I realize all bets are off. What is particularly silly about this thread is I don't see how his behavior "hurt you" or was "gamey". Not really thread material imho... :salute
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My take on this issue is this you never know what some one else is going to do. It is what makes this game so good. It may suck that some one else won't do what you want but it is a variable that makes it interesting & keeps me coming back.
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The IL2 is barely maneuverable, doesn't accelerate well, doesn't climb worth a damn, and the only real firepower it has is in the nose with the cannons. Most IL2's I have come acrossed and even when I fly them are on the deck which leaves you almost no option except trying to turn with him. Anything else will end in him catching you and shooting your tail off.
GHI didnt get your memo. You better pass this info on to him asap.
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I'm not sure what is worse, the fact he bailed on you to avoid a fight, or the fact a vet still flies a spit16.
If you don't know the difference maybe it's because you forgot to to TnB rather than hold alt and zoom the watermelon out everyone then scream blue murder when an equal alt con catches up with you. Or maybe you forget that some don't dedicate themselves to one style of play (fighter mode) or use there perkies in F4u4's to look cool ....oh the irony.
Dude I can take the piss too.
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Screw up on the post
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If you don't know the difference maybe it's because you forgot to to TnB rather than hold alt and zoom the watermelon out everyone then scream blue murder when an equal alt con catches up with you.
I'm rarely above 7k, try again.
Or maybe you forget that some don't dedicate themselves to one style of play (fighter mode) or use there perkies in F4u4's to look cool ....oh the irony.
I've had 12 kills in a F4U4 since August, try again.
I also wasn't the only one commenting on the fact you were in a spit16.
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Cut the top because it's utter bollocks
No offense Lynx but who gives a crap??? Do you NOT recogines the gamey chit? Are you not feeling recognized enough lately because this is the second thread I remember you starting about "mean players" vs you??? You must be refering to hacking accusation RATHER than game play...go check ...o clever one Ltown is not a countryman or squaddie of mine so I can care less about him....
Just wondering what the point of this thread was and if most vets chose to start threads about smack talkers or silly players how would this forum be? You gotta be kiddin me ....right?
As a vet I prefer to land my kills and enjoy the game. Because I'm a vet nothing suprises me and I realize all bets are off. So it's totally acceptable to see bailer? Give me a brake short whit What is particularly silly about this thread is I don't see how his behavior "hurt you" or was "gamey". You don't ? ffs man where are you coming from? I suppose you birds of prey geezers prey for this chit? Give us all a brake chap Not really thread material imho... :salute Not thread material is your opinion and you are .....what ?
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I'm rarely above 7k, try again. I'll film ya at 7 k when everyone else is 3k shell I ? Jesus man! don't play the bollocks card with me
I've had 12 kills in a F4U4 since August, try again. Try looking at someone Else's states before being so clever..... Dude I use use more types in 1 week than u do in a month and I'm not making a song and dance about it. Get real.
I also wasn't the only one commenting on the fact you were in a spit16. No ya wasn't but you was the clever one of the lot. Wanna take the piss? Get facts... get real cause I'll take the piss right back alt boy :salute
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No ya wasn't but you was the clever one of the lot
Least you have something nice to say, even if it is a back handed comment.
Merry Christmas, Lynx. I hope your experience in AH and on the forums is better next year.
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Least you have something nice to say, even if it is a back handed comment.
Merry Christmas, Lynx. I hope your experience in AH and on the forums is better next year.
lol and best wishes for you and yours in the new year.....wishing you a good un :salute
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So vets are supposed to fly junk? dang......
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Just a curious question...
at what point a player can be considered a "vet" and which planes he has to stay away from?
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So vets are supposed to fly junk? dang......
Na mate. Their cool if they they can zoom the watermelon outta everyone from alt then play the "cool card". The fact a F4f at alt could do the same is indifferent but hey I'm just a poor strat player being ticking off by bailers ...what do I know :o
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Bunch a **** heads !
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Lol, LYNX, relax :lol watermelon happens, everytime. I really dont see a point of this thread.
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I agree Lynx theres too many gamey idiots ingame lately i never bail unless my plane is going down in a ball of flames, there is so many different ways of playing this game but bailing just because your going to get shot down is lame and has happened to me on a number of occations i just laugh at the fact that these guys who do this must have some real issues in there head. Next time Lynx just laugh at them at least you have the balls to go all the way in a fight :aok
As for the spitfires please for the love of god shut up saying spit 16 is a noob plane yeah we know its easy to fly but some of us are british and like to fly it because its an icon for us like the american p51 is a icon for you americans you dont see us saying thats a dweeb ride. Fair enough if i wasnt british i may not fly it because its easy mode but its a beutifull plane so why not??
Sorry about the rant towards the end Brits will fly spits simple as.
:salute
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especially when they get flown on the edge, in any situation and put stupid red guys in the tower quicker than I can say put the kettle on. :rock
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especially when they get flown on the edge, in any situation and put stupid red guys in the tower quicker than I can say put the kettle on. :rock
Yes sir :salute
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Yes sir :salute
fury smells :P
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and the only real firepower it has is in the nose with the cannons.
20 and 37 mike-mikes are on the wings.....
LTARadio
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lol Trojan i do i do :cry
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Just a curious question...
at what point a player can be considered a "vet" and which planes he has to stay away from?
When he starts treating sick animals
Never
However, don't start threads complaining because things did not work out for you while you are picking on low and slow cons in Spit16. LYNX supposedly wanted the IL2 to fight him. I say BS :rofl What chance did the IL2 really have? If he went there looking for a fight he would have been further out from the field to give a chance to the bad guys to gain some speed
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Just a curious question...
at what point a player can be considered a "vet" and which planes he has to stay away from?
I guess you missed the MOTD for Tour 39 ... It was all spelled out in black and white ... geeeeeesh.
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I would runb to ack then come round and HO the crap out of you with my 37mm's :devil
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Spitfire is a wonderful plane, Even though I too are British I fly 109s, but I'll back up my fellow British players any day of the week, Lynx, Bruv, Fury, Trojan and all the rest, fly that 16 well and show some of our friends how it really flys (S)
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20 and 37 mike-mikes are on the wings.....
LTARadio
yeah that was stupidity at it's best there. I was thinking the cannons were in the wings and for some stupid reason still typed nose. I guess that is what happens when fingers are working faster than the brain
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Just a curious question...
at what point a player can be considered a "vet" and which planes he has to stay away from?
I can think of only one such 'vet', Schatzi :) and unfortunately for us she has decided to stay away from all our cartoon planes.
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The bigest what if to is ......."If my aunt had balls she would be my uncle" :confused:
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Cut the top because it's utter bollocks
No offense Lynx but who gives a crap??? Do you NOT recogines the gamey chit? Are you not feeling recognized enough lately because this is the second thread I remember you starting about "mean players" vs you??? You must be refering to hacking accusation RATHER than game play...go check ...o clever one Ltown is not a countryman or squaddie of mine so I can care less about him....
Just wondering what the point of this thread was and if most vets chose to start threads about smack talkers or silly players how would this forum be? You gotta be kiddin me ....right?
As a vet I prefer to land my kills and enjoy the game. Because I'm a vet nothing suprises me and I realize all bets are off. So it's totally acceptable to see bailer? Give me a brake short whit What is particularly silly about this thread is I don't see how his behavior "hurt you" or was "gamey". You don't ? ffs man where are you coming from? I suppose you birds of prey geezers prey for this chit? Give us all a brake chap Not really thread material imho... :salute Not thread material is your opinion and you are .....what ?
As someone who has been playing as long as you but has 1000 less posts I would say im someone who chooses carefully what i post...I dont consider you to be one of the top sticks in the times I've run into you but so be it...we can all boost our egos different ways. Try flying in some KOTH's to reset your thermometer a bit. Any good stick has received the "horrid treatment" you have. We have been accused of hacking, cheating, and have had folks bail or run from us. I tend to take it as part of the game and being clever and good. What I don't like is to see "calling out" folks from one incident. Seems petty. Sorry this thread isn't going the way you wanted it...but maybe it was needed.
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I call myself a vet but have no definition of one. Been part of my squad since 1996 and airwarrior on aol...stayed with airwarrior until it died then moved the squad here....so 12+ years of air combat sim makes me comfortable with my self attributed "vet" status. :salute
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Well, that's your opinion. Personally, I like it when my opponents make it a challenge to shoot them down. Using AAA to your advantage is good combat tactics in an Il-2, and sometimes in a fighter, too. Sure, I say "ack-hugger" sometimes when I see someone do it, but I would get bored quickly if every opponent gave me an easy shoot down when I arrive with an advantage over their own airbase, or if I make a mistake and don't shoot them down as quickly as I should (they run to AAA). If you don't like dealing with AAA, don't try to shoot people down over their own airbase. It's pretty simple. So, no, I don't see any shame in it.
Yeah, I enjoy it when they make it a challenge for me to shoot them down as well... when they fight back. Sorry, it's not hovering over someones base trying to kill them when they run for a sector back to that base. I strongly dislike those who run in a combat game.
edit: I don't care what plane my opponent flies as long they don't do excessively dweeby things it it. An example would be hovering over a fight in a 190, I would be just as ticked if it was any other plane... It's just lame.
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what if the IL2 wasnt overmodeled so as to stop the one ping takeing a panzer out from 1k
What if the bomb blast from a cheesey little 500lb bomb wouldnt kill a panzer when its dropped 500yds away.
what if lancasters werent able to divebomb at a 45 degree angle.....yeah what if??
would be a much more challengeing and fun game right now it feels like a X-box or nintendo game falcon4 is more challengeing than this.
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what if the IL2 wasnt overmodeled so as to stop the one ping takeing a panzer out from 1k
What if the bomb blast from a cheesey little 500lb bomb wouldnt kill a panzer when its dropped 500yds away.
Based on the quality of your facts, it seems the "nintendo factor" is more in your mind than in game ;)
On data you are basing your conculusion that the Il2 guns are overmodeled? You have any different penetration and armor thickness info?
A 500 lbs bomb is "cheesy little"? You gotta be kidding.. .250 lbs of high explosives... :rolleyes:
And no, no Panzer in this game dies from any bomb dropped 500 yds away. It's just like all those "Spits accelerate to 400mph while climbing to 5k, I KNOW THEY DO!" MA anecdotes
BTW, that are 500yds:
(http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/6484/clipboard01vw3.jpg)
Not even a jeep will be killed by even a 4000lbs bomb at that distance.
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Dang, Lushe/Snailman, don't confuse the poor boy with facts . . .
Facts only get in the way of a good whine.
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OK facts
(3) Panzer 4 ...1941 Changes
In 1941, as more powerful guns were being used against tanks, 1.50 inches of additional armor plate was bolted against the plates on the front of the superstructure and on the upper and lower nose-plates. The 1.20-in. basic plates were face-hardened to a Brinell hardness of 600 to 800 and 1.25-in additional plates were the same. About a year later, in January 1942, the tank appeared with a basic armor of 1.97 inches on the front and back, the side-armor thickness remaining unchanged at 1.50 inches. This armor was chromium-molybdenum and performed well against monobloc shot.
(4) 1942 changes
Therefore, in June 1942, a .79-inch additional plate was bolted on the gun mantlet and front superstructure as a means to defeat a shot with a piercing cap. Between this plate and the basic armor was an air gap or space, varying from 4 to 8 inches. The plate conformed roughly to the shape of the section covered. The spaced armor seems to have been a field expedient, resulting undoubtedly from the demonstrated fact that the spare section of track carried on the front of German tanks gave additional protection. This method of adding armor was officially recognized, as later models had brackets fitted for installing spaced armor when desirable.
now tell me a piece of shrapnel from a bomb dropped at any diistance would penetrate that with the ease it does in this game.
if you actually believe that you need a physics lesson.
but i always forget you know everything about everything
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OK facts
(3) Panzer 4 ...1941 Changes
In 1941, as more powerful guns were being used against tanks, 1.50 inches of additional armor plate was bolted against the plates on the front of the superstructure and on the upper and lower nose-plates. The 1.20-in. basic plates were face-hardened to a Brinell hardness of 600 to 800 and 1.25-in additional plates were the same. About a year later, in January 1942, the tank appeared with a basic armor of 1.97 inches on the front and back, the side-armor thickness remaining unchanged at 1.50 inches. This armor was chromium-molybdenum and performed well against monobloc shot.
(4) 1942 changes
Therefore, in June 1942, a .79-inch additional plate was bolted on the gun mantlet and front superstructure as a means to defeat a shot with a piercing cap. Between this plate and the basic armor was an air gap or space, varying from 4 to 8 inches. The plate conformed roughly to the shape of the section covered. The spaced armor seems to have been a field expedient, resulting undoubtedly from the demonstrated fact that the spare section of track carried on the front of German tanks gave additional protection. This method of adding armor was officially recognized, as later models had brackets fitted for installing spaced armor when desirable.
now tell me a piece of shrapnel from a bomb dropped at any diistance would penetrate that with the ease it does in this game.
if you actually believe that you need a physics lesson.
but i always forget you know everything about everything
Nice dodge.
HE bombs didn't kill tanks by shrapnel, the main killer was the blast. At close ranges it could overturn the tank, rip the hull apart or set the fuel on fire. But more important because working at even longer ranges, the overpressure killed or incapatiated the crew. Of course not at 500yds, but as already said, this doesn't work in AH either.
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Now while a #1 is nice especially combined with or followed by a good fart, a #2 makes for great relief. Though I've never encountered personally a #3...............curious!