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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Banshee7 on December 24, 2008, 04:43:05 PM
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While I was in the TA today flying with my good friend Morfiend, I decided to do some undercover work just for fun. But it turns out, I found some very disturbing information. What was meant to be for "a good laugh" turned out to be a horrible finding. It goes as follows:
A guy logs into the TA and immediately asks if anyone "needed any training." I have seen this player around before, and I knew he wasn't a "two week noob;" so I decided to see what he had. I immediately start acting like I'v been playing for maybe 2 days, and I ask him for help. He politely said he would assist me and what exactly did I need help with. I give him the average new guys response of "dogfighting." He kept rambling on with nothing useful then asked me what plane did I want to learn....Spit 16. He ups a Spit16 at A23 (the Bombing base at 20k) with 100% fuel, a DT, and 2 rockets. His first advice was to "fire the rockets in a HO position and you will kill the fighters...if I miss with "missiles" use guns...If I miss yet again...RUN!" Still no useful "training."
After that, and still with no useful "dogfighting" training, he tells me to go to A17 (the CV base to the West of A1) and up a fighter with bombs. Our goal was to bomb the CV, that will make them "send fighters." This "experienced" pilot augers his beautiful jug into the CV; to no prevail, yet again, no useful dogfighting information.
I decided to give the guy one last chance. I complain about how I have learned nothing and he finally says we'll dogfight to see what he can help me with. So I up the faithful Spit16 like a new guy would, and what does he up??? A 262. Now how in the world will you teach a new guy how to dogfight in a 262. But anyway, I upped and followed him and sprayed all my ammo at him. Once again I complain; he begs for one more fight. What does he up this time??? Ar234s, which he nose dives into the water.
Ladies and gentlemen, this disturbing sight made me feel horrible. The fact that there are people out there who say they're "trainers" and can "offer assistance" that teach these new guys bad habits. Now, we know it's been going on for years, but this wasn't a player who has been playing for a month or two that thinks they know all about AH (which you see in the TA sometimes). This was a player that has been playing for a while. I thought this needed to be brought to everyone's attention. The "noobs" we complain about everyday usually get their start in the TA where so called expereinced "trainers" offer their assistance, which actually ruins their fighting capabilities.
So, to the new guys out there. when you make your way to the Training Arena, look at the roster for actual AH Trainers or anyone from the 332nd (who can be found in there very frequently). I guarantee you there will be someone in there that could assist you (not necesarilly in those two groups) that can help you. Watch out for the Trainer "imposters."
#S# Banshee7
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Thats a bit scary
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SkyRock is going to be so pissed to see you called his training poor. Jeez.
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Wow...
I hope you've forwarded his GameID to the trainers so they can ban him from the TA.
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:rofl I think we all need a name :devil maybe he was pulling on your .... well u know
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Wow...
I hope you've forwarded his GameID to the trainers so they can ban him from the TA.
way ahead of ya...Snailman has his name :)
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Maybe the 'Right Stuff' trainers got tired after all this years.
Maybe You should finally learn to say a 'Good Job!' for the people, who are working fo the common good. A PM message on arena, give a what ever feedback on the closed forums or even give a public recognition for the 'Right Stuff' out there.
Who knows, maybe the RV8 is not actually leading this firm anymore.
Maybe...
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Maybe the 'Right Stuff' trainers got tired after all this years.
Maybe You should finally learn to say a 'Good Job!' for the people, who are working fo the common good. A PM message on arena, give a what ever feedback on the closed forums or even give a public recognition for the 'Right Stuff' out there.
Who knows, maybe the RV8 is not actually leading this firm anymore.
Maybe...
Please, continue passing the bong. You've had your share and his share.
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It is a time to get this 'official myth' off finally
The CM task can be a slavery for the unselfish and enhusiastic people. What did the Kanttori and Blauk got from their innovative terrain development job for the FinRus, Karelia and others? Next to nothing concerning the HTC costs!
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I was holding a Terrain CM member a status for some time, but I personally was calling it off. Wanna know why in public?
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Please, continue passing the bong. You've had your share and his share.
Yeah, WHAT?
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It is a time to get this 'official myth' off finally
The CM task can be a slavery for the unselfish and enhusiastic people. What did the Kanttori and Blauk got from their innovative terrain development job for the FinRus, Karelia and others? Next to nothing concerning the HTC costs!
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I was holding a Terrain CM member a status for some time, but I personally was calling it off. Wanna know why in public?
Speaking as a former CM, the public forums are not the place to be airing out dirty laundry.
All I can do is speak for myself, and IMHO yes, the CM's have a pretty thankless job that can really suck the fun of this game out of you.
BUT if you join the CM team to get yer back slapped and 'atta boys', you joined for the WRONG reason. I am pretty darn sure Kanttori and Blauk did not make the wonderfull terrains that they made because they expected "something" from HTC. They were giving us all some wonderfull maps, and untold hours of playing enjoyment for the community.
I once tried to join the AH Trainer Corps. Looking back I am glad that I was never extended the offer. Ghosth had me hang out in the TA for a few months helping out anyway I could. I now know I didn't have the patients for that job. (and at the time, Ghosth probably knew that as well)
I have no idea how Murdr et. all deal with it day in and day out, but I DO know I couldn't have dealt with it (long term). Those couple months I spent an hour a day "helping" was a learning experience for me, and a gave me a glimpse of just how difficult a job our Trainer Corps have. It also showed me that they are made of better "stuff" than I.
Kudos to you Aces High Trainer Corps.
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If gutless cheeps are so happy with current situation, well, no doubt the situation is what it is...
Do you really think the HTC will call off the guy after the 100hours+ per week? Take from here my sure "Sure".
Back then I was shocked, when I realized how terrain team was suffering with fundamental terrain designing questions, while our all bright boss was just giving a one-liners on public forums left and right. Our work and terrain developing questions were not a worth for the single answer during all those months? WTF?
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If gutless cheeps are so happy with current situation, well, no doubt the situation is what it is...
Do you really think the HTC will call off the guy after the 100hours+ per week? Take from here my sure "Sure".
Back then I was shocked, when I realized how terrain team was suffering with fundamental terrain designing questions, while our all bright boss was just giving a one-liners on public forums left and right. Our work and terrain developing questions were not a worth for the single answer during all those months? WTF?
I had many a week where I logged 40+ hours on Special Events during my CM tenure.
I don't recall once anyone from HTC dropping me a line saying "thanks".
I was 100% ok with it too.
If THAT is what you were after you probably shouldn't have been doing it in the first place.
The CM's volunteer their time for the love of the game and the community. I was told from day one when I joined the CM team that if being a CM starts to become a "job" to you, you probably need to quit doing it.
(and FYI I read the CM terrain forum quite a bit. Skuzzy was very active on it)
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If gutless cheeps are so happy with current situation, well, no doubt the situation is what it is...
Do you really think the HTC will call off the guy after the 100hours+ per week? Take from here my sure "Sure".
Back then I was shocked, when I realized how terrain team was suffering with fundamental terrain designing questions, while our all bright boss was just giving a one-liners on public forums left and right. Our work and terrain developing questions were not a worth for the single answer during all those months? WTF?
I think you have personal issues that are creating an obviously spiteful attitude. I've never been part of the CM team but I was a member of the original training cadre here. If you go into something like that for any external recognition or "ataboys" then you were a poor choice for the task at hand. The current training cadre is exceptional and does a wonderful job. There are also a large number of seasoned vets who spend some time in the TA and offer outstanding instruction as well. While I'm sure that a few bad apples detract from the overall quality I'd hate to see all those who lend time and effort tarred by a broad brush...
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Greetings gents.. I'm a bit of a newbie ( only a month or so in ) and I am enjoying the game
and doing my best interpretation of a sponge, soaking-up everything I can via websites,
the TA, and my squaddies..
I hate to re-hijack Banshee7's thread here but I was in the TA when this went down today
and just have three quick comments..
1. Banshee7... you had me scratching my head !..LOL... I was watching the text fly and thinking
What the .. ? I know Banshee7 isn't a noob like me... took me a bit to figure out things..lol..
2. I witnessed and support every single thing Banshee7 states here. Again, I haven't been around long
but long enough to know this guy did advertise training and either was totally clueless or trying to
totally mislead someone new to AH. In fact I am so eager for all the training I can get, I actually
bit when this guy offered, but Banshee7 beat me to him.. Thank Goodness !!!
3. Again speaking as a noob, I just want to state that the training and advice offered in the TA as
well as in the other arenas is GREATLY, HUGELY appreciated. Those that remember when they where new
and offer thier time and assistance to help folks like me is a huge compliment to them and I look
forward to be able to pass my knowledge down to others in the future as well. ( far future..lol.. )
Thanks for what you guys ( and gals ? ) do and for the real reasons you do it ... <S>
Merry Christmas to all and..
Cya on my six... lol.... MD13
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This game is full of idiots. One has to have enough common sense to weed the imbeciles out. :salute
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Ex-Jazz.....what does that have to do with the OP???
MD13:
Thanks for your input. I know for a fact I'm not the best pilot in this game, and I never will be. But I DO know that I can hold my own. All of this come not from training, but from having simple fights and stuff in the TA. What I have learned is to watch out for these false trainers. When the first thing he said is "anyone need training" a big red light flashed. The usual "seasoned sticks" as snaphook called them will approach it a different way like, "Anyone need help, have questions?" Thats why I suckered him into "training" me just to check him out.
This game is full of idiots. One has to have enough common sense to weed the imbeciles out. :salute
Common sense....I am none to have NONE :D
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A guy logs into the TA and immediately asks if anyone "needed any training."
Maybe Ghosth had a good Christmas Eve Lutefisk buzz going? :D :devil
My hope is that HTC re-opens the H2H sandbox ASAP in the hopes it may siphon off a few of hyper-active upstarts.
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Maybe Ghosth had a good Christmas Eve Lutefisk buzz going? :D :devil
My hope is that HTC re-opens the H2H sandbox ASAP in the hopes it may siphon off a few of hyper-active upstarts.
I hope the same Max...maybe then the H2H dweebs can get back to doing their own thing :D
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Speaking as a former CM, the public forums are not the place to be airing out dirty laundry.
All I can do is speak for myself, and IMHO yes, the CM's have a pretty thankless job that can really suck the fun of this game out of you.
BUT if you join the CM team to get yer back slapped and 'atta boys', you joined for the WRONG reason. I am pretty darn sure Kanttori and Blauk did not make the wonderfull terrains that they made because they expected "something" from HTC. They were giving us all some wonderfull maps, and untold hours of playing enjoyment for the community.
I once tried to join the AH Trainer Corps. Looking back I am glad that I was never extended the offer. Ghosth had me hang out in the TA for a few months helping out anyway I could. I now know I didn't have the patients for that job. (and at the time, Ghosth probably knew that as well)
I have no idea how Murdr et. all deal with it day in and day out, but I DO know I couldn't have dealt with it (long term). Those couple months I spent an hour a day "helping" was a learning experience for me, and a gave me a glimpse of just how difficult a job our Trainer Corps have. It also showed me that they are made of better "stuff" than I.
Kudos to you Aces High Trainer Corps.
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Well said Lute. I've tried helping folks and well they get on my nerves. Thanks Aces High Trainer Corps. You do all of us a service.
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Wmlute, I get lucky some days sir. <S> Grin
To everyone else, if you are doing any AH Job you better not go into it with the idea your going to get any kind of status, or money out of it. If you are, well AH doesn't need you. And your not doing yourself any favors.
I used to be a CM, sweat blood and bullets running big scenarios. Helped build FSO, etc. When I burned out I walked away. I did it to give back to AH, to help AH get its special events up and running. For several reasons that had nothing to do with getting anything back for me. And everything to do with making AH the best sim experience to be found.
All this is true for the Trainers Corps only times 10.
There are thousands of folks out there who would love to be a trainer. Right up until they are one.
At which point they'd burn out, melt down, or get so corrupted by power they'd have to be booted by HT.
Much like the CM Core tis a mostly thankless job, with hours and hours of effort expended and very little to show for it.
There is a reason out of all the people who fly and who have flown AH there are only 12 trainers.
Truly any sane person who understood what was going to be involved would never want the job.
As for those who help out in the TA on a regular basis we ask only a few basic things.
1 Treat everyone with respect.
2 Be absolutely sure your giving out the correct information.
Use the trainers site as a reference if you must. But if you really want to help, don't teach bad habits, or wrong info that we will have to fix later please. Also don't teach your opinons, or force your preferences onto him.
3 Defer to trainers if there is one in the arena. Nothing puts me in a foul mood faster than some 3 month wannabe jumping into a conversation between me and the person I'm trying to help, filling him full of BS and wrong info.
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Maybe the 'Right Stuff' trainers got tired after all this years.
Maybe You should finally learn to say a 'Good Job!' for the people, who are working fo the common good. A PM message on arena, give a what ever feedback on the closed forums or even give a public recognition for the 'Right Stuff' out there.
Who knows, maybe the RV8 is not actually leading this firm anymore.
Maybe...
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Back to the original subject:
Banshee7, your handle is pretty recognizable. There is the distinct possibility that snailman was just messing with you. Did you see him repeat this behavior with anyone else?
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Back to the original subject:
Banshee7, your handle is pretty recognizable. There is the distinct possibility that snailman was just messing with you. Did you see him repeat this behavior with anyone else?
I dont think it was snailman
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My hope is that HTC re-opens the H2H sandbox ASAP in the hopes it may siphon off a few of hyper-active upstarts.
That's just what i'm hoping
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My hope is that HTC re-opens the H2H sandbox ASAP in the hopes it may siphon off a few of hyper-active upstarts.
X3
Joker
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Back to the original subject:
Banshee7, your handle is pretty recognizable. There is the distinct possibility that snailman was just messing with you. Did you see him repeat this behavior with anyone else?
I had to read it 3 or 4 times before i got it too....
way ahead of ya...Snailman has his name :)
Snailman is not a person of interest, he's a cop. ;)
wrongway
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I dont think it was snailman
It wasnt, Banshee had said that he let Snailman know what he had seen :salute
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My guess is the guy knew Banshee and was messing around. If NOT, that would explain the influx of spit 16 HO tards lately :)
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Wmlute, I get lucky some days sir. <S> Grin
To everyone else, if you are doing any AH Job you better not go into it with the idea your going to get any kind of status, or money out of it. If you are, well AH doesn't need you. And your not doing yourself any favors.
Absolutely agree 100 times over, with ya Ghosth
I used to be a CM, sweat blood and bullets running big scenarios. Helped build FSO, etc. When I burned out I walked away. I did it to give back to AH, to help AH get its special events up and running. For several reasons that had nothing to do with getting anything back for me. And everything to do with making AH the best sim experience to be found.
All this is true for the Trainers Corps only times 10.
There are thousands of folks out there who would love to be a trainer.
I agree, and most times if they are wanting to be one, it is for mainly the wrong reasons to begin with, and is why they are never chosen
Right up until they are one.
If someone who has desired to help become a trainer, they soon if not eventually find out it will indeed drain you down, sometimes even burn you out, although if you truely do it for the right reasons, your desire will never fade or faulter, or not for very long if it eventually does
At which point they'd burn out, melt down, or get so corrupted by power they'd have to be booted by HT.
Much like the CM Core tis a mostly thankless job, with hours and hours of effort expended and very little to show for it.
There in lys the thing, what you get to show from it is the enjoyment of the community, or the enjoyment when one of those you may have taught eventually "gets it" or the "light bulb suddenly clicks on" in their heads, and they end up giving you a fight worthy, or completely surpase you in their skills kick your hide in a cartoon air combat fight, and makes you grin and feel good inside, and know that you did your job right, and that their is another soul thankful and will soon be passing it or paying it forward!
There is a reason out of all the people who fly and who have flown AH there are only 12 trainers.
Truly any sane person who understood what was going to be involved would never want the job.
As for those who help out in the TA on a regular basis we ask only a few basic things.
1 Treat everyone with respect.
2 Be absolutely sure your giving out the correct information.
Use the trainers site as a reference if you must. But if you really want to help, don't teach bad habits, or wrong info that we will have to fix later please. Also don't teach your opinons, or force your preferences onto him.
3 Defer to trainers if there is one in the arena. Nothing puts me in a foul mood faster than some 3 month wannabe jumping into a conversation between me and the person I'm trying to help, filling him full of BS and wrong info.
The Trainers, CM's, Terrain Makers, and any and all Volunteers are thankful for the players who have the desire to see and acknowledge that their is more to this community, game than just a place to spend time, there is History here in a continously being made basis, friendships being made on a continous basis, and at times become of like a second family........the game itself is just a place to meet, like a cafe, a civic center, and yes sometimes like a toughman competition..ROFL
I , personally, thank all individuals regardless if you are HTC Staff, HTC VOlunteer Staff, etc..or just a Aces High Member , who can see past needing any gratification, and sincerely and honestly help the other members with any type of contributions, all be it terrains, scenarios, guideince, Special Events, or teaching proper etiquette to new comers. TO help make this a better place for each of us
MERRY CHRISTMAS to all
Great Post, Ghosth, Sir! pardon me for adding to it...I am being lazy today :D
er um.....edited for my poor intoxicated typing skills...who spiked the eggnog? :huh
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Wow...
I hope you've forwarded his GameID to the trainers so they can ban him from the TA.
What a shame, but I doubt Imadot's suggestion will stop this from happening in there.
Hard to believe a long time AH'er would be doing this. Sounds more like a noob himself but as stated , it isn't.
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way ahead of ya...Snailman has his name :)
I SERIOUSLY doubt it was Lusche aka Snailman. He is a very good guy and pilot. Are you sure he didnt take your bate when you told him you were a newb and just flipped the coin on you?
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Pass the Eggnog :noid
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I SERIOUSLY doubt it was Lusche aka Snailman. He is a very good guy and pilot. Are you sure he didnt take your bate when you told him you were a newb and just flipped the coin on you?
It Wasn't Snailman guys...read and comprehend the post correctly. Snailman HAS the name of the guy who did this; meaning I told Snailman about the guy
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I've seen the pseudo trainer type in the TA many times myself. I'm in the TA a lot as many know. Never once have I tried to pose as an actual trainer, some trainers have asked for my help in training someone and refeered to me for specific aircraft help with a client, and I gladly help as I can. It takes a lot of patience and knowledge to be a good trainer. As far as I'm concerned we don't have any bad trainers, they all seem excellent and my hats off to them :aok. I've also seen this go the other way where a fairly experienced stick comes in to waste the trainers time. I forgot the specifics of the event but I can recall warning the trainer in a PM of what he was getting into, and he replied back that he was getting the same impression I was.
:salute
BigRat
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Intresting thread.
Laughed at first, then thought about it. It is sad, that people would advertise their help, without even knowing wtf their doing. Maybe the person really doesnt even understand what the hell their doing and thought they would give what ever information they seemed to have picked up on. Long live SEA and FSO. May squads enlight their own, and whoever jumps in Missions.
Ive been going to the TA during the day (EST), just to screw with Temps. I'll start asking for some training. See what bites, cheers.
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I , personally, thank all individuals regardless if you are HTC Staff, HTC VOlunteer Staff, etc..or just a Aces High Member , who can see past needing any gratification, and sincerely and honestly help the other members with any type of contributions, all be it terrains, scenarios, guideince, Special Events, or teaching proper etiquette to new comers. TO help make this a better place for each of us
MERRY CHRISTMAS to all
Great Post, Ghosth, Sir! pardon me for adding to it...I am being lazy today :D
er um.....edited for my poor intoxicated typing skills...who spiked the eggnog? :huh
I would hope that folks would contribute to the AH community for the betterment of the community, not for an 'attaboy'. If you are doing it for an 'attaboy', you are doing it for the wrong reason.
We all benefit from the efforts of folks trying to make the game better. No one loses in that.
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Off-topic /0n
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My public apology
After some days of personal 'OMG?!', it's time to step up to the soapbox of shame...
I went over The Lines in wrong time and in wrong place.
I should remember something after all these years. This is just a game and no one should lose the temper over it, as I did. At least not in public.
Have a nice New Year.
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off-topic/off
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Off-topic /0n
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My public apology
After some days of personal 'OMG?!', it's time to step up to the soapbox of shame...
I went over The Lines in wrong time and in wrong place.
I should remember something after all these years. This is just a game and no one should lose the temper over it, as I did. At least not in public.
Have a nice New Year.
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off-topic/off
Takes a big man to do that.
<S>
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I like to fly in the TA when I have nothing to do and have seen this stuff way to many times. Iv seen people that have been playing less then a week try to tell people that have been playing a few days how to "fite". Iv even seen people that said they have been playing for a month with a squad name saying that they were trainers. I asked to to dig fight me once and ran him into the ground while flying with full WEP the whole time.
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Steven Waldren's back? Or was it Sweetooth?
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Wasn'y Sweet2th TODD420...aka 1HungLo?
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Wasn'y Sweet2th TODD420...aka 1HungLo?
1HungLo??? Now thats one of the top ten gamey names in the game
BTW, how many players does AH Have? heheh
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3. Again speaking as a noob, I just want to state that the training and advice offered in the TA as
well as in the other arenas is GREATLY, HUGELY appreciated. Those that remember when they where new
and offer thier time and assistance to help folks like me is a huge compliment to them and I look
forward to be able to pass my knowledge down to others in the future as well. ( far future..lol.. )
Well, you don't have to be a noob to find yourself asking for help in the TA. ;)
I find I spent a good portion of my time in the TA asking for help with this or that, working out some kinks on my own, or trying to help some of the guys (or gals) out that ask for it when the trainers, if they're there, are too swamped. Hell, I'd been playing for about a year before I finally had the ego to go in the TA (yeah yeah...), guess I was afraid of the "eyes are all on you, noob" possibility, but I was shocked when I asked Ghosth for some help in the p40 and he upped right up and made a joke on the p-40, and how it seems to lead to punishment ;).
The trainers do what they're supposed to, and do a great job at it imo. Also imo, if you don't know what you're doing, don't try and teach it to someone else, the gameplays taken a nosedive as it is, no need to make it worse.
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I SERIOUSLY doubt it was Lusche aka Snailman. He is a very good guy and pilot. Are you sure he didnt take your bate when you told him you were a newb and just flipped the coin on you?
You might want to work on your reading comprehension skills. The report was given to snailman .....geez
Helm ...out
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is it possible that since the guy was not new, he recognized you and decided to play a joke on you instead?
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Not when he was telling someone else the same information.
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Think most missing banshee's point here IF bad pilots are training noobs bad habits its bound to make a new class of flyers with all bad habits.I have known ghost lotta years theres a reason he gives back makes better pilots in game.I spend time in ta also only if theres no trainers and someone ask then if i know what they need and can help I do. As exp pilots we have an obligation to point out like banshee that poor training is going on or we all to blame as bad pilots take over game.
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Think most missing banshee's point here IF bad pilots are training noobs bad habits its bound to make a new class of flyers with all bad habits.I have known ghost lotta years theres a reason he gives back makes better pilots in game.I spend time in ta also only if theres no trainers and someone ask then if i know what they need and can help I do. As exp pilots we have an obligation to point out like banshee that poor training is going on or we all to blame as bad pilots take over game.
Exactly... :aok
It was my urging of Banshee to write a poilte post on this subject,which he did!
I think that the place to start is with the new players,promote fair and competive game play and the rest will look after itself.Too many new players look for help and recieve this sort of help,no offence to the trainers as they cant always be there to monitor things,all of whicjh leads to poor game play.IMHO.
The type of behaviour I saw shouldn't be allowed to go unnoticed and this thread is only about that.
It's up to all of us who love this game to challenge any unwanted behaviour.
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Absolutely correct dh, morfiend.
If your not reaching the new guys, your going to have a whole crop of MA pilots who are not interested in skill, acm, etc. Just in the quickest way to HO and go land them.
Its up to us the community to point them in the right direction. Not to put them down, for being new, unskilled, etc. But to lift them up, get them climbing the same slope we have climbed.
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He ups a Spit16 at A23 (the Bombing base at 20k) with 100% fuel, a DT, and 2 rockets. His first advice was to "fire the rockets in a HO position and you will kill the fighters...if I miss with "missiles" use guns...If I miss yet again...RUN!" Still no useful "training."
I said if you miss with guns, try and ram him. Then run. "no useful training" Ingrate! :furious
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I said if you miss with guns, try and ram him. Then run. "no useful training" Ingrate! :furious
sorry...i forgot about that :D
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That's pretty lame to do.
Part of me says he was deliberately ""training"" to do wrong w/ new guys bu then another part of me says it's a shade that knows you and is pulling your leg.
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If I am in the TA I am always glad to help others if a trainer isn't present; but I only help them with what I know for sure & differ the rest.
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Ghosth, you've hit the nail on the head. I became a CM to give back to the community and I will ask for players to have fun and to spread the word about this great game and nothing else.
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In warbirds trainers have wings in their name (ie "="s)
They are easy identified with their callsigns that way, and when they use their winged accounts they are supposed to help at all times
Trainers is allowed an extra account to fly without wings if they want that.
An idea for ah maybe ?
Warbirds Trainer
WB =save=
AH2 Save
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Reading comprehension owns me, :lol Well post his damn name already - why not? I'd like to get some training from this ace of the base!
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way ahead of ya...Snailman has his name :)
Again. no where in ANY of my post did I say Snailman was the accused persona. My post says snailman HAS (he has been told) the guys name
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Was his name Banshee??? :P
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Saw the accused again today, warned a squeaker and beginner to listen to take the advice with a grain of salt.
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Am I too late for the lynching?
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Am I too late for the lynching?
never :)