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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: SkyTiger on January 03, 2009, 02:36:43 PM
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Protestors are such morons.
When Hamas took over in 2007, things went to crap. In 8 months they fired 600 rockets and 800 mortars into Israel. They've been bombing Christian churches, abducting christians and killing them and burning down bookstores. Thousands have fled Gaza due to food shortages and no medical supplies.
November 24th, Israel rewarded Gaza because (amazingly?!?!?) there were no attacks staged against Israel from Gaza for a 24 hour period. They sent 40 truckloads of medicine, food and clothes into Gaza. What did Israel get in return? The next day Hamas resumed firing rockets into Israel.
Hamas fired over 3,000 rockets at Israel in 2008. They STORE rockets, arms and explosives in hospitals and mosques, then scream when they get targetted.
And now... NOW protestors have the balls to go and protest Israel waging air strikes against Hamas? Where were they at for the last two years Israel has been getting attacked?
I'm steamed.
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I know. I heard on the news "Hamas is defending"
Yep... They've been defending by sending rockets at Israel for the past year. The anti-Israel orginizations in the Palestinian area even hate Hamas. And those Palestinian fellas even shoot mortars and rockets when they get the chance.
I hope Israel goes in there, full steam, plows them over, and shows the world that they're tired of being poked at, and at the next poke, you can expect to get punched in the mouth and get some teeth knocked out.
I have a lot of respect for the Israelis. They now have their deserved holy land (as they've been told is theirs) and they're gonna fight to keep it. I'm sure if lets say, American's took Mecca from the Muslims, then, after thousands of years, gave it back, the Muslims would sure as hell defend it.
:salute to the Israeli Defense Force (and that's how they act, in defense)
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you just don't mess with Israel, they have made that clear for years, those guys are some tough s.o.b's.
I also don't get these protestors, they're upset about the Israeli's killing civilians, but in reality, they were aiming for Hamas targets, now Hamas, they just shoot at whatever, killing whoever they can... but thats acceptable to the Palestinians, but as soon as their civilians die it's the end of the world and Israel is the bad guy.
when will these guys ever wise up and stop their endless bloodshed, it's getting to the point of being just plain ridiculous, what has it been... like 60 years now?
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I don't really understand how you could have much sympathy for either side in this conflict.
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I don't really understand how you could have much sympathy for either side in this conflict.
Well man. If your neighbor started throwing rocks at your kids heads from his yard and continued to do so for long enough.. you'd go over and put an end to it.
That's just ridiculous.
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Well man. If your neighbor started throwing rocks at your kids heads from his yard and continued to do so for long enough.. you'd go over and put an end to it.
That's just ridiculous.
+1
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Well man. If your neighbor started throwing rocks at your kids heads from his yard and continued to do so for long enough.. you'd go over and put an end to it.
That's just ridiculous.
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I don't see how it could be made any clearer than that. :aok
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Well man. If your neighbor started throwing rocks at your kids heads from his yard and continued to do so for long enough.. you'd go over and put an end to it.
That's just ridiculous.
Too bad there's a lot more to it than that.
When you come to your future neighbors house claiming his property now belongs to you because your ancestors lived there 2000 years ago and 'god said so', and he's just going to have to deal with it, there's going to be some problems.
Now, when he starts throwing rocks at your kids and you respond by throwing rocks at his kids heads... well, I lose sympathy for either side. Simple as that.
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Too bad there's a lot more to it than that.
When you come to your future neighbors house claiming his property now belongs to you because your ancestors lived there 2000 years ago and 'god said so', and he's just going to have to deal with it, there's going to be some problems.
Now, when he starts throwing rocks at your kids and you respond by throwing rocks at his kids heads... well, I lose sympathy for either side. Simple as that.
Perhaps thier grandfathers should have thought twice before trying to wipe out Israel in 1947. They might have had thier own country then. Instead they want to wipe them out, while Israel has tried to live in peace.
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Has anyone heard from Freez/Freezman/evenhaim? He is in Tel Aviv and apart of Israel's military.
He's a former squaddie of mine.
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Perhaps thier grandfathers should have thought twice before trying to wipe out Israel in 1947. They might have had thier own country then. Instead they want to wipe them out, while Israel has tried to live in peace.
Maybe. Like I said, I don't like the military (or paramilitary) of either side. Both have resorted to killing civilians and other things that should never happen. Both sides are motivated on one hand by survival and the other by religious nonsense and heritage.
Again the only ones I feel sorry for are the unfortunate innocent Israeli and Palestinian women and children who will undoubtedly be sucked into this terrible nonsense. I also hope that nothing happens to Freezman, as that would be terrible, just as if any member of any armed force in this community were to be injured.
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Well man. If your neighbor started throwing rocks at your kids heads from his yard and continued to do so for long enough.. you'd go over and put an end to it.
That's just ridiculous.
MY NEIGHBOR would not do that more than one time. after that, they'd never find him.
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Maybe. Like I said, I don't like the military (or paramilitary) of either side. Both have resorted to killing civilians and other things that should never happen. Both sides are motivated on one hand by survival and the other by religious nonsense and heritage.
Again the only ones I feel sorry for are the unfortunate innocent Israeli and Palestinian women and children who will undoubtedly be sucked into this terrible nonsense. I also hope that nothing happens to Freezman, as that would be terrible, just as if any member of any armed force in this community were to be injured.
Theres a BIG difference in that Israel is not targeting civilians.
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This argument will have the same outcome as one about abortion or religion....or indoor football stadiums
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Has anyone heard from Freez/Freezman/evenhaim? He is in Tel Aviv and apart of Israel's military.
He's a former squaddie of mine.
I asked the same thing on the main forum a few days ago, got a few responses from folks who've heard from him.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,255274.0.html
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Freez has kept the muppets updated in their forum. He told them a week or so ago to be watching the news, and this morning he said "we're in". I hope he's kicking some bellybutton right now, :salute freez.
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Now, when he starts throwing rocks at your kids and you respond by throwing rocks at his kids heads... well, I lose sympathy for either side. Simple as that.
Israel has been getting shelled by rockets and mortars for the past year. They amount to atleast once a day. Hamas is doing it "Defensively"
How? :huh
I can assure you, a country as small as Israel just wants to be left alone.
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I still say we give Isreal the keys to our n00k silos and tell them we'll be back in a week. But then I also believe I should be allowed to run slower drivers off the road. Maybe not the best person to ask for an opinion on that...
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Israel has been getting shelled by rockets and mortars for the past year. They amount to atleast once a day. Hamas is doing it "Defensively"
How? :huh
I can assure you, a country as small as Israel just wants to be left alone.
Are you aware of how Israel came to be?
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Are you aware of how Israel came to be?
Yes I am, I understand it wasn't fair, and it was their "promised land"
I am sure, they could have lived together peacefully if war hadn't almost immediately broke out. It's been one big fustercluck since the country was made. But it can't just be undone. Where would the Jews go? It would be the exact same thing again.
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Israel has been getting shelled by rockets and mortars for the past year. They amount to atleast once a day. Hamas is doing it "Defensively"
You read that backwards, I said Israel was defending itself.
I still say we give Isreal the keys to our n00k silos and tell them we'll be back in a week. But then I also believe I should be allowed to run slower drivers off the road. Maybe not the best person to ask for an opinion on that...
Israel already has more than enough nuclear weapons to wipe Gaza and the West Bank of the face of the earth...
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You read that backwards, I said Israel was defending itself.
No, on the news today, a spokesperson said "Hamas has been shelling Israel defensively"
So, in defense, Hamas has been starting what they can't handle with Israel, and are about to get whuped, after shelling in a defensive mode.
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Although I believe Israel is fully capable of defending itself it still makes me wonder if we will have to help them if they get in over their heads.
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Although I believe Israel is fully capable of defending itself it still makes me wonder if we will have to help them if they get in over their heads.
With every fight, Israel takes a chance of getting every Muslim nation involved. The only one I wouldn't see getting involved maybe is Iraq. If this even escalated to where Israel was fighting Iran, I would be nuclear weapons would be used.
Not for the fact that Iran is superior, it's just that well... As mean and hateful as it sounds, those people are crazy. I remember watching a thing about Iran on the history channel, there was a mine field that the Iranians wanted to push through when they were at war with Iraq. Something like 25,000 people volunteered, teenagers, to run through that field and clear the mines.
:huh
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I remember watching a thing about Iran on the history channel, there was a mine field that the Iranians wanted to push through when they were at war with Iraq. Something like 25,000 people volunteered, teenagers, to run through that field and clear the mines.
they do scrub them brains well.
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There's a level of religious zealotry in that region that Christianity hasn't seen since the Middle Ages, or even maybe since the Roman Empire when Christians would gladly die as martyrs at the hand of Roman persecution. Martyrdom is a very popular idea among Muslims even today- people just consider their lives less valuable than an overall cause and would gladly die for it, I guess. It's really not that alien of an idea in the United States, as Martyrs are held in regard even here. The majority religion of the country is based on the word of a martyr... but for some reason, it seems when most Americans see Muslims with this kind of devotion to their cause, they don't understand it. I don't really get why not, but what ever.
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Artillery is a defense measure for the most part. As for this situation, I say they roll some tanks straight across all their nieghbors because all of them have a helping hand in affording those freaking rockets, shoot lets pull out of iraq and help them. Bunch of cowards just like all the rest of these jihadists around the world, they use IEDs against us which is very cowardice, push a button and run all they do. Im ranting :furious :furious :mad:
BLOW THEM TO HELL :rock
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I dunno whio's gonna push the button first, but eventually that whole region is going be a glass parking lot.
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It's a long complicated struggle between the two of them, that as americans we will never fully understand.
what I would like to know is what is happening in the two wars we are fighting....
all i hear about is this war thats been going on for 60 years, that we are a part of by association
what's going on in Iraq and Afghanistan, I'm tired of the media picking and choosing what's important for us to hear about.
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Freez has kept the muppets updated in their forum. He told them a week or so ago to be watching the news, and this morning he said "we're in". I hope he's kicking some bellybutton right now, :salute freez.
Thanks!
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It's a long complicated struggle between the two of them, that as americans we will never fully understand.
what I would like to know is what is happening in the two wars we are fighting....
all i hear about is this war thats been going on for 60 years, that we are a part of by association
what's going on in Iraq and Afghanistan, I'm tired of the media picking and choosing what's important for us to hear about.
US forces are moving out of Iraq very soon, but we are putting more into Afganistan
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Perhaps thier grandfathers should have thought twice before trying to wipe out Israel in 1947. They might have had thier own country then. Instead they want to wipe them out, while Israel has tried to live in peace.
It was their country.There was no Israel in 1947.
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Are you aware of how Israel came to be?
http://www.masada2000.org/historical.html (http://www.masada2000.org/historical.html)
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If any of you watch BBC America (or just look on their website), you'll get a different perspective on the war, one that shows you both sides of the story.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/ (http://news.bbc.co.uk/)
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I say let em fight to the death. Havnt they been doing that for last 4000 years. Just let em fight :lol
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It was their country.There was no Israel in 1947.
If by "their" you mean the Brittish, then yes.
If by "their" you mean Palestinian, then your education is sorely lacking.
"There was no such thing as Palestinians ... It was not as though there was a Palestinian people in Palestine considering itself as a Palestinian people and we came and threw them out and took their country away from them. They did not exist."
"There is no such country [as Palestine]! 'Palestine' is a term the Zionists invented! There is no Palestine in the Bible. Our country was for centuries part of Syria."
During the 19 years from Israel’s victory in 1948 to Israel’s victory in the Six-Day War, all that remained of the UN’s partitioned territory to the “Arabs” of British Mandatory Palestine were the West Bank, under illegal Jordanian sovereignty, and the Gaza Strip, under Egyptian rule. Never during these 19 years did any Arab leader anywhere in the world argue for the right of national self-determination for the Arabs of these territories. A “Palestinian” nation and “Palestinian” people had not yet been invented. Even Yasser Arafat, from the earliest of his terrorist days until 1967, used the term ‘’Palestinians’’ to refer to the Arabs who lived under, or had fled from, Israeli sovereignty; and the term “Palestine” to refer to Israel in its pre-1967 borders (the 1949 armistice line).
Perhaps the most maddening term that I hear today is related to the term " Palestinian." Let me start by providing a history of that word. It was a term invented by the Roman Emperor Hadrian in a.d. 135 after he had destroyed Jerusalem during a campaign to put down a Jewish uprising known as the Bar Kokhba revolt. Hadrian was tired of the constant revolts by the Jews in the land of Israel so he set out to " de-Judaize" Israel. This he did by renaming Jerusalem Aelia Capitolina and he renamed the Land of Israel Palestine from the word Philistine, a reference to the ancient Canaanites. Palestine became the common term that many used to refer to the biblical land of Israel. During the early 1900s and before 1948, a Palestinian was always thought to be a Jew who lived in the land of Israel, of course, popularly known as Palestine. When Israel became a nation in 1948, the Jews took the biblical term Israel to refer to the reborn nation. Some time between 1948 and 1963, the Egyptian, Yasser Arafat took the term Palestine to refer to the Arab claim of the land of Israel. Thus, it was only around 1963 that the term Palestinian began to be used of Arabs. There is no such thing as the ancient land of Palestine. It is the ancient land of Israel.
Please read the fourth quote a couple times, and pay special attention to the bolded lines quote # 3 and 4.
I'm floored by just how little people actually know about history. This is basic World History 101 stuff. I knew this stuff in junior high, if not elementary school.
(sigh)
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It was their country.There was no Israel in 1947.
The newly created United Nations approved the UN Partition Plan (United Nations General Assembly Resolution 181) on November 29, 1947, dividing the country into two states, one Arab and one Jewish. Jerusalem was to be designated an international city – a corpus separatum – administered by the UN to avoid conflict over its status. The Jewish community accepted the plan, but the Arab League and Arab Higher Committee rejected it.
Of course it was on May 14, 1948 that Israel declared thier independence, but the ball was rolling in '47.
Its called HISTORY class.
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If by "their" you mean the Brittish, then yes.
If by "their" you mean Palestinian, then your education is sorely lacking.
Please read the fourth quote a couple times.
I'm floored by just how little people actually know about history. This is basic World History 101 stuff. I knew this stuff in junior high, if not elementary school.
(sigh)
I'm sorry,you right.Egypt should share with Israel.England with Italy then with Germany.Turkey with Greece then with Italy then with Armenia.(they should take turns i guess)
Aha!USA..goes back to Brits or Natives,perhaps vikings?
Where does it stop?
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The newly created United Nations approved the UN Partition Plan (United Nations General Assembly Resolution 181) on November 29, 1947, dividing the country into two states, one Arab and one Jewish. Jerusalem was to be designated an international city – a corpus separatum – administered by the UN to avoid conflict over its status. The Jewish community accepted the plan, but the Arab League and Arab Higher Committee rejected it.
Of course it was on May 14, 1948 that Israel declared thier independence, but the ball was rolling in '47.
Its called HISTORY class.
Its called wikipedia kid,go to bed now
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Let us not today fling accusation at the murderers. What cause have we to complain about their fierce hatred to us? For eight years now, they sit in their refugee camps in Gaza, and before their eyes we turn into our homestead the land and villages in which they and their forefathers have lived.
We should demand his blood not from the Palestinian Arabs of Gaza but from ourselves. . . . Let us make our reckoning today. We are a generation of settlers, and without the steel helmet and gun barrel, we shall not be able to plant a tree or build a house. . . . Let us not be afraid to see the hatred that accompanies and consumes the lives of hundreds of thousands of Palestinian Arabs who sit all around us and wait for the moment when their hands will be able to reach our blood
Tronsky
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I'm sorry,you right.Egypt should share with Israel.England with Italy then with Germany.Turkey with Greece then with Italy then with Armenia.(they should take turns i guess)
Aha!USA..goes back to Brits or Natives,perhaps vikings?
Where does it stop?
I guess you didn't bother with the BOLDED parts of the quotes. They do not deal with who "owned" the region, but the FACT that there is no such thing as a Palestinian. (from a race perspective anyway)
I especially want to point you towards how even Yasser Arafat used the term "Palestinian" to refer to Jews before 1968 (as did EVERYBODY in the world).
In 1968 he coined the term Palestinian to refer to Arabs in a speach he made at the UN.
I won't even get into who was there first. (which is a very simple thing to prove. only one of the two in question can considered to have a "homeland" in that region)
I am only pointing out the fact that there really are no Arabs that are "Palestinian" per. se. and there is no such thing as an "Arab Palestinian homeland". Palestinian is a coined phrase that was bastardized in the late 1960's.
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It was their country.There was no Israel in 1947.
There are no Palestinians either. No illuminati either. There was no America in 412 AD... whats the point?
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There are no Palestinians either. No illuminati either. There was no America in 412 AD... whats the point?
I think his point is he wants to ignore history.
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The rebirth of Israel was prophesied over 2500 years ago, it's God"s will.
Below are some of prophecies fulfilled in 1948.
Ezekiel 34:13
I will bring them out from the nations and gather them from the countries, and I will bring them into their own land. I will pasture them on the mountains of Israel, in the ravines and in all the settlements in the land.
Amos 9:14-15
I will bring back my exiled people Israel; they will rebuild the ruined cities and live in them. They will plant vineyards and drink their wine; they will make gardens and eat their fruit. I will plant Israel in their own land, never again to be uprooted from the land I have given them," says the Lord your God.
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Ezekiel 37:21-22
and say to them, `This is what the Sovereign Lord says: I will take the Israelites out of the nations where they have gone. I will gather them from all around and bring them back into their own land. I will make them one nation in the land, on the mountains of Israel. There will be one king over all of them and they will never again be two nations or be divided into two kingdoms.
Jeremiah 16:14-15
"However, the days are coming," declares the Lord, "when men will no longer say, `As surely as the Lord lives, who brought the Israelites up out of Egypt,' but they will say, `As surely as the Lord lives, who brought the Israelites up out of the land of the north and out of all the countries where he had banished them.' For I will restore them to the land I gave their forefathers.
Isaiah 66:7-8
"Before she goes into labor, she gives birth; before the pains come upon her, she delivers a son. Who has ever heard of such a thing? Who has ever seen such things? Can a country be born in a day or a nation be brought forth in a moment? Yet no sooner is Zion in labor than she gives birth to her children."
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Well, they're there, squashing the Palestinians, who will NOT be able to uproot them.
I'm sorry for the ones suffering though, bear in mind that a war like this mostly kills the innocent.
Something though, the people VOTED for Hamas, then they started lobbing missilies into populated areas by the thousands, - now WTF do they expect? Kushions?
Same with the sympathy of the world. The Palestinians ask for it and are baffled with the coldness from i.e. the USA, but these were the first to run out and cheer as well as burn the US flag on 9/11.
So, while this stays like this, it'll go on for ever. Palestinians locked in, start suicide bombing or missile launching, then the Israelis move in and give a beating, move out, calm period, then the whole cirkus starts again.
Guess they're waiting for their allies to get stronger, but Israel has allies too...
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Guess they're waiting for their allies to get stronger, but Israel has allies too...
Some of the strongest in the world.
I personally think, that if they were successful in invading Israel, it would be as if Americans were invading Mecca. :confused:
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Although I believe Israel is fully capable of defending itself it still makes me wonder if we will have to help them if they get in over their heads.
we have been. since the beginning.
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Bear in mind that the Israelis only number 6 millions. The Palestinians much less of course, however the Surrounding enemies of Israel are many more and the area is very small...
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I'll keep those curious about Freez updated on that thread in the gen disc. forum as he posts.
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Move israel to cuba,move cuba to israel. problem solved :aok
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Move israel to cuba,move cuba to israel. problem solved :aok
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Be nicer to have our better friends closer to us eh?
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:lol
Be nicer to have our better friends closer to us eh?
lol no, just be cheaper for us to babysit the kids.
and save future Americans from dieing
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was watching this on the news about 3 hours ago, they were talking about it, camera zoomed in on Gaza, then a HUGE explosion. I seriously thought that it may have been a nuke, how bright and huge it was. As soon as I saw that, I turned up the volume a lil bit more and watched.
This is getting very interesting, an estimated 16,000 Hamas there? :O :O
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I think his point is he wants to ignore history.
I'm trying to ignore you with extra chromosome. :rofl
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There are no Palestinians either. No illuminati either. There was no America in 412 AD... whats the point?
You talking about almost total annihilation of natives on newly discovered continent?
My point is,new country=new war.There wont be peace till one side is dead.Don't tell me we dint know that in 1948.
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this is what israel is walking into
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=312_1231071363 little kids wanting to die
it's very scary that the new enemy the world is facing wants to die
It's sad the brain washing these kids get
It's also sad that Muslims as a whole get such a horrible wrap because of people like this, I've got a few muslim friends who are very successful and very normal, basically the polar opposite of this and they catch crap from people all the time, really upsetting to me.
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In 1973 the Israelis got over their heads. If your old enough to remember then I'm sure you remember. In 1973 the Arabs attacked them during their Yom Kippur holiday and caught them by surprise. The Egyptians in particular made a brilliant maneuver to get over the Suez and into The Sinai. The Israelis were "this" close to using nukes however a massive American military airlift, and American pressure, talked them out of it. Up until that time America wasn't even close to being Israels main arms supplier. By the end of the conflict we were, and just as important, Israel has had access to Yank Intelligence gathering assets. Most folks dint know this but providing Israel with spy plane and Satellite Intel was critical in their winning the 1973 war.
In the end the Arabs ended up in the same place they ended up after the 6 day war. Surrounded and getting slaughtered. This time however there was heavy super-power involvement and the Soviets were threatening intervention, which would have triggered American action. Finally a cease fire was brokered and an even greater slaughter was averted. I believe a super-power confrontation would have escalated had not cooler heads prevailed.
I believe this war had as much impact as the 6 day war in molding modern Israel. The Jews suffered very heavy losses from an Arab military machine many times larger then they and using the most advanced Soviet weapons. Most of all anti-tank and air defense weaponry. In the end the Israelis prevailed anyways, the end result being the breakup of the Pan-Arab political dream and the eventual breakup of Egyptian/Soviet alliances. The Arabs suffered terrible losses too. Israel had an entire Egyptian army surrounded and cut off in The Sinai.
So whats going on now is nothing compared to "then". In 1973 Israel stood on the verge of annihilation. I myself dont think the invading Arabs would have shown much mercy to the civilian population.
And the Palestinians? I remember watching them dancing in the streets and passing out candy on 9/11, thinking to myself, these people just dont know when to stop screwing up their chances for a homeland. While Americans and most westerners want to see them get some justice to the Kings, military strongmen, dictators, and mullahs, of their own region they are just tools and fools to be used for their own gain.
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Take a look at this, this may have been what I saw. When I first saw it, I thought they nuked the damn place.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_0HFj_qH1o
About 2 min, 30 seconds into it.
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Take a look at this, this may have been what I saw. When I first saw it, I thought they nuked the damn place.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_0HFj_qH1o
About 2 min, 30 seconds into it.
Probably hit a weapons stockpile.
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Probably hit a weapons stockpile.
Yea, and it looked much larger on a TV screen compared to youtube quality. Still does look like one. I was thinking they were gonna interrupt the news to talk about that.
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I'm sorry,you right.Egypt should share with Israel.England with Italy then with Germany.Turkey with Greece then with Italy then with Armenia.(they should take turns i guess)
Aha!USA..goes back to Brits or Natives,perhaps vikings?
Where does it stop?
A lot of Israeli land was purchased by Israeli's from Turkish landlords.
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They've been storing weapons in hospitals and mosques. Then they flip their lids when those sites get bombed. :lol
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EU and Britain are demanding a cease fire
how much do people want to bet that Israel wont sign a cease fire until they hold all of Palestine
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EU and Britain are demanding a cease fire
how much do people want to bet that Israel wont sign a cease fire until they hold all of Palestine
They probably wont sign it. For 1, the second that its signed, Hammas will start sending rockets over at them again, and no avail on the news or anything. The second Israel does something though, they're the bad guys.
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A lot of Israeli land was purchased by Israeli's from Turkish landlords.
Don't confuse him with history lessons. He'll think you have an extra chromosome.
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Don't confuse him with history lessons. He'll think you have an extra chromosome.
Lawls!
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A lot of Israeli land was purchased by Israeli's from Turkish landlords.
Not land,but right to live there.Actually Jews were given choice,Latin America,Europe,Palestine..i cant remember.They Choose Palestine,was it Patriotism,bravery or plain stupidity we will never know.
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Don't confuse him with history lessons. He'll think you have an extra chromosome.
Could you look up the name of Austrian journalist that called up a Jewish seminar in beginning of 20 century plz?I cant find any info about him.
Thanks
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Not land,but right to live there.Actually Jews were given choice,Latin America,Europe,Palestine..i cant remember.They Choose Palestine,was it Patriotism,bravery or plain stupidity we will never know.
"Plain stupidity"? Are you a Palestinian or do you have a white hood hanging in your closet?
By the way, you do know what that space bar on your keyboard is for, right?
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See Rule #14
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Interesting.....
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I don't really understand how you could have much sympathy for either side in this conflict.
There is some merit to this statement..Between the nut-bag jewish settlers throwing people off their land,and the crazed Muslim fundamentalists(terrorists)..Both sides trying to bring on the end-of-days in an era of appocolyptic weaponry..a peaceful solution is next to impossible.
Integration (learning to live with one another) instead of religious partitioning is the only hope for peace.
Israel deserves to exist.
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nut-bag jewish settlers throwing people off their land
you make that sound like the work of a few bad apples, rather than state policy. one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter, and until Israel retreats from the (huge amount of) territory it has occupied, the Palestinian groups are freedom fighters as far as I'm concerned.
oh and IBTL
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See Rule #14
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you make that sound like the work of a few bad apples, rather than state policy. one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter, and until Israel retreats from the (huge amount of) territory it has occupied, the Palestinian groups are freedom fighters as far as I'm concerned.
oh and IBTL
You make these terror groups sound like a few bad apples, instead of acting under official policy. That policy that the Jewish State doesn't exist and all Jews should be driven into the sea. The official Palestinian Govt. isn't involved in the terror. Instead Hamas is a foreign funded terror group operating outside Official Palestinian control. They aren't interested in peace. They simply want to destroy Israel and her citizens. And even Hamas itself has been on the verge of its own civil war. I'd be willing to bet Hamas has killed more Palestinians then Israel has.
The Palestinian authority already administers and controls its areas in the West Bank and Gaza. Take away the Hamas mutts strapping bombs onto kids and firing rockets at Israeli kids and a maybe long term peace is possible. Once peace is attained then anything is possible.
Some freedom fighters. Maybe they are taught freedom, Democracy, and Human rights by their Iranian masters. :lol
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it pales in comparison to govt policy that endorses firing rockets into civilian areas and recruiting people to strap on bombs to walk into crowded markets.
looking at the massive numbers of civilian casualties during the July War and now the current invasion of Gaza either:
1. The IDF is very inept (unlikely given they are one of the best trained, funded and equipped forces in the world)
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2. They dont make much distinction between civilians and combatants.
hard for Israel to claim moral superiority on this one im afraid.
Rich I understand that there are some religious nutjobs who want Israel wiped out, but unfortunately there are indoctrinated idiots everywhere. Even on this board, there are some psychopaths who advocate the mass murder of 10s of millions of people ("turn the middle east to glass") The majority of the Palestinians just want basic freedoms and autonomy in their own territory which Israel currently denies them. Even Hamas didnt start out with that aim - they arose as a reaction to Israel's occupation of Palestinian territories.
edit: IBTL means In Before The Lock, which I'm guessing is coming very soon...
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Yes, looks like this one is done.