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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: EagleEyes on February 03, 2009, 11:25:23 PM
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So im curious.....
War in the future is inevitable, its something that is Human....
When and where do you think the next war will be that will involve the United States. I know we're still active in Iraq and Afghanistan. But im curious to see what you guys think.....
My prediction: Iran or Russia within the next 10 years. Iran will either attack Israel with nuclear weapons. Or Russia will try to recapture lost territories, such as Georgia and Ukraine.....
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North Korea which will involve China and then America gets waxed by missiles that are sneaked into Cuba but only after launching missiles to nuke everyone else. :O
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I don't care, either way, I know my generation is screwed. Thanks guys :(
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Would the US really go to a full-blown war with Russia? I'm not so sure I think you're too chicken to do that. :D
Of course, that depends on what the situation is. Let's say the small countries in the Baltic gets run over. They are NATO members so whaddya do?
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Situations worldwide are a bit too dynamic to predict reliably but I am not worried about Russia. No matter how tough the Russian leader is the man isnt stupid. Im not so sure about some of the more 'extreme' inidividuals.
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My prediction: Iran or Russia within the next 10 years. Iran will either attack Israel with nuclear weapons. Or Russia will try to recapture lost territories, such as Georgia and Ukraine.....
The first one is preposterous. Like it or not, the Iranians are rational, and would not take such a foolish risk. As for the second, Russia already seems to be content with the idea of controlling its former satellite states through its energy monopoly.
I can't believe none of you said Pakistan. I know the news is full of lies and half-truths, but if you're following current events you should be very concerned about that country.
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I chose to be totally ridiculous to make the point that you cant call it.
As to Pakistan I am concerned that a rookie could really mess up the situation there by trying to turn the clock back about ten years which would only open old wounds.
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Pakistan? Well it seems someone want a new indo-pakistani war considering the recent "terrorist" attacks in India. What I'm questioning is, who funded those attacks? I don't think it's as easy as pointing at Pakistan.
I mean, it's open for anyone basically, provided that you have the money, to fund terrorist acts anywhere. Just get a swiss bank account or whichever anonymous bank of your choosing and transfer funds from there.
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Vortex you think dirty. :aok Keep it up. :D
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Yeah... people need to start thinking factual instead of politically correct and they might actually figure out something important.
If anyone think that these banks are cooperating with federal agents or any state bureau/agency whatsoever. WRONG! They have very strict rules not to disclose any information about account holders, NOTHING. Which is what make these banks so succesful. All the dirty money go through their hands.
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When and where do you think the next war will be that will involve the United States. I know we're still active in Iraq and Afghanistan. But im curious to see what you guys think.....
can`t tell. `guess there are multiple scenarios possible.
Pakistan, maybe -> more likely cooperation with Pakistan military to hunt down Osama
North-Korea -> if they attack SK, then yes
Iran -> yes, but they must be stupid enough do provoke Israel or the US. And they are not that stupid.
Russia -> maybe small incidents, but not a full scale war
China! They are willing to control East-Asia, military and economically. So, its very likely they touch US and Japan interests in that region. China needs steel, gas, oil, food and what so ever. 1.3 billion people need to be kept alive. So, the next possible war the US will be involved is about resources.
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I don't care, either way, I know my generation is screwed. Thanks guys :(
"Screwed" is 20,000 Soviet nukes aimed at you while on trip wire, and we had the same pointed at them. I'm talking fleets of heavy bombers on concrete pads that would take off in minutes, each one loaded with 9 megaton Hydrogen bombs. A huge apparatus of destruction between enemies that barely talked to each other. Thats the war your fathers generation fought. I know, I was there. Our active military was 2 to 3 times bigger then it is today, most of all USAF.
And its one you'll never have to fight. You'll never know the terror of the Cold War because your fathers held the line against an enemy that makes Al Qaeda look like a boy scout troop. So have a little respect sonnie. A lot of us here grew up in a world far, far scarier then anyone you'll ever know.
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Yeh, I remember those times. The USSR was the 'evil empire' and the nukes could be sent flying at any minute, literally. So you never really knew when the world would end, all you could do was wait.
:uhoh
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It will come from the most unexpected place. No point of trying to predict it.
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It will come from the most unexpected place. No point of trying to predict it.
That's right. Us Canadians will come down there and burn the White House. Again.
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Conflicts...definately.
Conquest....I do not see any for the moment.
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Conflicts...definately.
Conquest....I do not see any for the moment.
Not in the near future,but it will happen.
China > Russia
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Something in Africa. We're already starting our buildup including command infrastructure and supply lines.
That's not official btw, just my own guess.
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The problems on our southern border are getting worse.. Mexican
Govt has lost control of many of its own states.. Druglords control
them now, and they are kidnapping US citizens, making armed
incursions onto US soil.. Using the corrupt Mexican army to intimidate
our border patrol agents... They are gettin away with it too!!! So far..
The next war may be much closer than you think!!!
RC
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I say we take over Canada. What are they gonna do hit us with their hockey sticks? :)
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Another definition of "screwed" is draft notices in the mail for a war where we had 407,000 troops killed, like in WW-ll. Or Korea where we lost 37,000, Vietnam where we lost 58,000. We lost 25,000 in the war of Independence and over 600,000 in the Civil War. In WW-l we lost 116,000.
Thank the Lord we still have young troops with the courage to answer the call but the fact is its an entirely volunteer military now. There isn't going to be any draft notices coming in the mail and the sacrifices made by our current crop of youngsters will only be made by a very few. Any kid nowadays that thinks they are "screwed" thanks to the actions of past Americans must have cut history class an awful lot in high school. I myself always thanked my fathers generation for their sacrifices in lieu of making snide remarks, blaming them in pity parties. I would have nothing, not even freedom, if not for them and I hope the 30 years Ive spent wearing uniforms are at least a partial repayment for what they gave me. But deep down I know I'll never be able to repay these men and woman for all they gave me. All I can do is honor them.
I don't care, either way, I know my generation is screwed. Thanks guys
Kid you need a buzz cut, a squared away rack, a DI instead of a mommie, and about a 4 year world tour in the War corp. before you earn the right to talk like that. Yes you will be in a world of chit, and yes you will still sound silly, but at least by then you'll appreciate the sacrifices made by others so you can sit there and jerk your joystick 8 hours a day.
I know your just a kid and dont know any better. And maybe I'm making to much of it. But your silly little comment really bugs me.
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The first one is preposterous. Like it or not, the Iranians are rational, and would not take such a foolish risk.
yeah very rational, like there is no homosexuals in Iran, Ahmadinejad said so..
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Hey Rich, do you remember the yellow pole?
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Hey Rich, do you remember the yellow pole?
No.
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Pakistan is a real possibility! All its going to take is someone to get a little more peeved about the US missiles being fired into Pakistan to kill Al Qatards!!
Mexico, thats a very real possibility. Forgot about the skirmishes with the Boarder Patrol agents.
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Venezuela.
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No.
From the way you talked I thought maybe you had been on the E/W German border when the evil empire was still around.
I was there mid to late seventies, the yellow pole was a part of the treaty between East and West Germany. East German
guards were allowed to fire on escaping East Germans until they passed the yellow pole at which time they had to cease fire.
If they continued to fire after the escapee passed the yellow pole we were authorized to engage the East German position.
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yeah very rational, like there is no homosexuals in Iran, Ahmadinejad said so..
Do I get to cherry-pick a ding-bat from our own government and thereby prove the irrationality of the United States? Huh, huh?! Do I? ;)
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Another definition of "screwed" is draft notices in the mail for a war where we had 407,000 troops killed, like in WW-ll. Or Korea where we lost 37,000, Vietnam where we lost 58,000. We lost 25,000 in the war of Independence and over 600,000 in the Civil War. In WW-l we lost 116,000.
Thank the Lord we still have young troops with the courage to answer the call but the fact is its an entirely volunteer military now. There isn't going to be any draft notices coming in the mail and the sacrifices made by our current crop of youngsters will only be made by a very few. Any kid nowadays that thinks they are "screwed" thanks to the actions of past Americans must have cut history class an awful lot in high school. I myself always thanked my fathers generation for their sacrifices in lieu of making snide remarks, blaming them in pity parties. I would have nothing, not even freedom, if not for them and I hope the 30 years Ive spent wearing uniforms are at least a partial repayment for what they gave me. But deep down I know I'll never be able to repay these men and woman for all they gave me. All I can do is honor them.
Kid you need a buzz cut, a squared away rack, a DI instead of a mommie, and about a 4 year world tour in the War corp. before you earn the right to talk like that. Yes you will be in a world of chit, and yes you will still sound silly, but at least by then you'll appreciate the sacrifices made by others so you can sit there and jerk your joystick 8 hours a day.
I know your just a kid and dont know any better. And maybe I'm making to much of it. But your silly little comment really bugs me.
Well Said Rich, and Salute to you for your service. I am one who has not served, but appreciate and respect those that have. There are some that paid attention durring history lessons. :salute
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Pakistan?
Bear in mind that they have nooks....
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Pakistan?
Bear in mind that they have nooks....
I can't believe none of you said Pakistan.
:lol
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Finland vs Sweden
The rising Finnish 'Nokia' immigration to Sweden in the early 2010 and the mounting Swedish economic problems.
The Sweden has received 350'000 Finnish immigrants. At the same time, the Swedish consensus society has drifted to a constant turmoil, and the economy is plagued by a terminal labour strife.
The nationalist agitation in Sweden will cause a sudden increase in the separatist tendencies in the autonomous province of Åland.
Åland will turn into a Scandinavian version of Northern Ireland.
Lets rent the Åland for the Russia. Ok?
Operation Finland OTW
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I was there mid to late seventies, the yellow pole was a part of the treaty between East and West Germany. East German
guards were allowed to fire on escaping East Germans until they passed the yellow pole at which time they had to cease fire.
If they continued to fire after the escapee passed the yellow pole we were authorized to engage the East German position.
interesting. Never heard about that.
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The next war?
Just ask these questions.
What country does not care about there own people?
What country does not care about the civilians of the country they attack?
What country had long range delivery methods?
What country has a Nuclear, Biological and Chemical warfare programs?
A war between the super powers will not happen. We all have too much to loose. The US, Russia, Great Britain, France and the others will sort there problems out.
Watch the new power countries. North Korea (ok there first one fizzled), Iran, India, Pakistan and the like.
And yes Johnny, EVERY COUNTRY has a Nuclear, Biological and Chemical warfare program. Every single one.
Wildcard, that would be the terrorists. You never know where, when or how. But that was is already on going.
OK the big thing is (in the U.S.) you have to ask your self, are you between the ages of 18 and 26 and don’t have a 4.0 grade average in college?
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I did a short hop Ramstein to visit my brother "army", and tour a bit, but that was my only time in Germany, circa '78. To me Germany was a paradise compared to where I was at. I loved Germany. On my flight back to the world the commercial air liner stopped in Bulgaria of all places. What a horrible place and was enough of communism I ever wanted to see. And terrorism? Remember? If anything it was even worse back then.
At one point Europe had so many nukes, and was such an armed camp, it was almost impossable to believe war would never break out there.
And :salute back atya Tracer.
From the way you talked I thought maybe you had been on the E/W German border when the evil empire was still around.
I was there mid to late seventies, the yellow pole was a part of the treaty between East and West Germany. East German
guards were allowed to fire on escaping East Germans until they passed the yellow pole at which time they had to cease fire.
If they continued to fire after the escapee passed the yellow pole we were authorized to engage the East German position.
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North Korea, they have been in the news alot recently unless they are just trying to intimidate President Obama. They cut off all relations with South Korea and they moved Balistic Missles near the border.
I am also thinking maybe Iran? They have been problem causers for a while now. Plus they are housing al-Quida and the Taliban with supplies.
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"And yes Johnny, EVERY COUNTRY has a Nuclear, Biological and Chemical warfare program. Every single one. "
Nope.
And the ones having nooks are not that many at all.
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Globaly, we... the World... have never stopped fighting... it...the next war... whichever war we desire...past, present, future.
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Pakistan?
Bear in mind that they have nooks....
Big whoop, they don't have B-29's
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Not quite everyone http://www.nti.org/e_research/profiles/index.html However building a chem/Bio program is so simple any 20'th, as in last, century industrial power could do so easily. And nuclear weapons really aren't so difficult. For instance medium sized, unremakable, countries like Pakistan, North Korea, Israel, South Africa, have all developed and tested nukes. Many, many nations have nuclear power programs and the development of the bomb is really only a question of national will and not technical expertise. Current or past nuclear powers. America, Russia, Britain, China, France, Israel, South Africa, Pakistan, India, Israel, North Korea. Saddam's Iraq would probably have had them by the Gulf war had not the Israelis bombed his huge, French built , reactor at Osirak.
Most dont know but the Saudis heavily financed both Saddam's and Pakistan's nuclear weapons program with an eye towards having their own bomb. Brazil was in cahoots with a shadow IRBM program figuring it would share missiles to get bomb knowledge. Heres an interesting read about the shadow world of nuclear research, that if is your feeling to safe we didn't find them in Iraq. http://www.ccc.nps.navy.mil/si/2006/Jul/albrightJul06.asp
"And yes Johnny, EVERY COUNTRY has a Nuclear, Biological and Chemical warfare program. Every single one. "
Nope.
And the ones having nooks are not that many at all.
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The only thing right now that makes any sense is Taiwan. The convex meniscus is at it's limit.
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Something in Africa. We're already starting our buildup including command infrastructure and supply lines.
That's not official btw, just my own guess.
Agreed, eagl. This puts us directly at odds with the Chinese, who have spent much of the money we give them for cheap WalMart toys to build up virtually every Sub Sahara African nation's infrastructure, with agreed payments in natural resources and direct access to them by Chinese companies alone. We will be directly in competition with a country that can exceed our manufacturing base. It is inevitable that the two, the US and China, won't agree....unless we or they bow out and allow either of the other access unfettered to those resources.
It will start in Africa, and spread. The Russians will subsequently side with whoever gives them the best deal.... and that would be the Chinese. The Japs... they'll stay outta this...their defense forces are woefully inadequate to directly confront such a large adversary, and they'll probably maintain neutrality, throwing us off their islands as well. They won't want their homeland turned to dust again. Australia will very probably be our only initial allied nation in the region.
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It will start in Africa, and spread. The Russians will subsequently side with whoever gives them the best deal.... and that would be the Chinese. The Japs... they'll stay outta this...
Did you also predict that the philadelphia eagles would go to the superbowl?
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Cuba, They will come up through mexico after the satalite goes down. I'll form a group of rebels made up of high school kids. We'll have a catchy name like the bunnies or wolverines I am not completly decided on that. I am pretty sure at 35y/o I can pass as an 18y/o they did it on 90210 back in the day.
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Did you also predict that the philadelphia eagles would go to the superbowl?
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Kinda tough to remove the fan blinders sir. Apologies. It's more what I wanted, than anything on that one.
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Kinda tough to remove the fan blinders sir. Apologies. It's more what I wanted, than anything on that one.
roger
:salute
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So the Top 3 would be.....
1. Iran
2. North Korea
3. Pakistan
I believe something could happen with China over Taiwan. Not saying in the near future, but something that will happen eventually. I dont forsee the US being the sole world power for the next 100 years. If Russia and China joined up that would be some serious trouble for us. If all the European powers joined up and became the United Nations of Europe that wouldnt necessary be a bad thing, but it would definitely hurt the US as being the worlds only Super Power.....
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I dont think Iran or Pakistan would bring us a major war. Even Iraq was still more of a police action then anything and we seem to do that a lot. I think Korea will probably start off that way and then China will step in and we will have our hands full. For now China is content to grow their industry and we will go along with that probably until its too late and China has a big stick. Then life is going to suck here there and every where.
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Would the US really go to a full-blown war with Russia? I'm not so sure I think you're too chicken to do that. :D
Of course, that depends on what the situation is. Let's say the small countries in the Baltic gets run over. They are NATO members so whaddya do?
Isn't Russia's population only like 1/2 that of America's?
It honestly sounds like they've got #s and firepower over us, which they don't.
Says 140,000,000 here:
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/print/rs.html
Says 303,000,000 for US at the same place.
Personally, IMHO, it would be China as our #1. Why? In this declining economy, their people are losing jobs, and if it gets too bad, millions will be starving, and the only thing for China to do, to make it look like it isn't the governments fault, is to go to war.
Says here their jobless % is 4.2, and in some instances, I think it mentioned 4.3
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2009-01/20/content_10688189.htm
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the next war, same as every morning, getting out of bed and being productive. I hardly ever win.
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So the Top 3 would be.....
1. Iran
2. North Korea
3. Pakistan
I believe something could happen with China over Taiwan. Not saying in the near future, but something that will happen eventually. I dont forsee the US being the sole world power for the next 100 years. If Russia and China joined up that would be some serious trouble for us. If all the European powers joined up and became the United Nations of Europe that wouldnt necessary be a bad thing, but it would definitely hurt the US as being the worlds only Super Power.....
Iran = we start it
North Korea = they start it
Pakistan = Dell tech support starts it.
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Iran = we start it
North Korea = they start it
Pakistan = Dell tech support starts it.
:rofl :rofl
Sig material
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I dont care who we fight, I go where Uncle Sam tells me. Anybody that threatens our way of life ...all enemies foreign and domestic... :salute
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Isn't Russia's population only like 1/2 that of America's?
It honestly sounds like they've got #s and firepower over us, which they don't.
Says 140,000,000 here:
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/print/rs.html
Says 303,000,000 for US at the same place.
Personally, IMHO, it would be China as our #1. Why? In this declining economy, their people are losing jobs, and if it gets too bad, millions will be starving, and the only thing for China to do, to make it look like it isn't the governments fault, is to go to war.
Says here their jobless % is 4.2, and in some instances, I think it mentioned 4.3
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2009-01/20/content_10688189.htm
When has the USA started war with a nation which is even close to their own manufacturing and army strength? And picking a fight with a BIG nuclear power as well? Don't thing that one would go well, nor being likely to happen, since relations and trade with Russia have been improving.
And the Chinese, - what do you think they would do? Invade the USA? In this declining economy every country is losing jobs, and there are perhaps bad days ahead. But the chinese didn't have the good days for too long, - they are much less pampered than we are.
Anyway, Moray had an interesting point. The Chinese REALLY are playing like you would do in "Age of Empires", - they are buying resources for the future. Not just in Africa, also in Europe. They buy entire FORESTS for that sake.
Now that might slow or stop, since there is a big claim now for more transparincy (how do you spell that word) in business, - i.e. that is can better be seen who is behind a buy, - who owns who. But will that be early enough to avoid big blocks of power being held at a blackmailing gunpoint, - : "Sorry, you are out of metal and lumber" :devil. That could lead to conflicts...
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"And yes Johnny, EVERY COUNTRY has a Nuclear, Biological and Chemical warfare program. Every single one. "
Nope.
And the ones having nooks are not that many at all.
I did not say HAD weapons, but they all have programs in R and D.
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I am also thinking maybe Iran? They have been problem causers for a while now. Plus they are housing al-Quida and the Taliban with supplies.
Sounds like something Bush would say. Even though, everyone knows that Al-queda and taliban does not get along with the Iranies, somebody will still try that trick.
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I think if anything, it will be small conflicts. China is content with industrializing their nation, they still have much more growing room. They are going through what the US went through during the industrial revolution. Majority of China's population are still "peasants". North Korea can be summed up as Soviet Russia in the cold war, isolationist, flexes her muscles but knows better not to stir the pot. I doubt that there is any country in the world that wants to start anything with a NATO country, much less the US, results would be way to devastating. Iran most likely doesn't want to start anything, I think they learned from the Gulf War that it's way to risky. As far as Pakistan, they are too busy with India, also with US presence already in the region, they're going to behave themselves. Keep in mind that Nuclear weapons are meant for use as a deterrent, not as an opening strike weapon, as everyone should know if a nuke was used as a starting blow, it would be all over quickly for the aggressor and possibly the entire planet.
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the chinese have already started the most recent war with america, its one that we will lose.
they have the population and infrastructure to take us on in the world market place.
it worked for japan in the 70's and 80's, they out built, out engineered and out sold us in every technological field. they whipped our azzes hands down. the sickest part of it was they did it by selling to us our own demise.
every product that you buy that is made over seas takes money out of our economy and puts it into theirs. we feed the economic machines of our own destruction.
japans down fall was to over invest into the american infrastructure after they had the financial upper hand. so essentially they tied their fate to ours. it would have been the equivalent to 1944 england investing money into german industrial companies while still bombing them at night.
Nightshift we were typing at the same time! <SALUTE>
the chinese have already started buying up world resources and are selling their scabbed low budget goods to america by the boat load. their margin of profit on all of the wally world products we so happily throw money away for everyday feeds their buying power.
they are still a communist nation, their government still enjoys the ability to strangle any public out cry. as a secretive and mostly closed society they can still demand that their public do whatever the government demands. look at the state enforced birth control laws that have yet to be repealed or abandoned.
they are just making themselves known on the world market place recently and already their impact is colossal.
the chinese people that live in the country side are still near stone age living conditions and starving, but that doesnt stop the powers that be from investing heavily in the pop and flare of the world. point being that although they have 1.3ish billion people, those in charge will happily allow their population to starve and suffer without guilt, as long as those in control get what they want. this they have proven many times in just the past 40 years.
they will monopolize vast markets in the world economy and then they will strangle out their enemies financially. this is the only type of war that america cannot win.
sorry, but we have already proven we are too stupid, too self centered and too short sighted to win it.
no nation could actually stand toe to toe with the american war machine, so no intelligent nation would bother to try. so i doubt we will ever engage in more than minor military events any time soon. but if you control the world economy you control the world, including america.
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I was listening to a report on Pakistan last night, and low and behold the were discussing the possibility of civil war.
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"And its one you'll never have to fight. You'll never know the terror of the Cold War because your fathers held the line against an enemy that makes Al Qaeda look like a boy scout troop. So have a little respect sonnie. A lot of us here grew up in a world far, far scarier then anyone you'll ever know."
Actually this is a major mis-statement. While the situation above was very real (few people realize we came very close to a nuclear exchange in 1973 [real reason for detante]) the truth is that the current realities are much worse in many ways. We view wars in the geopolitical context historically. The major issue we face going forward is the changing face of war itself. I think our next major war will start much like our current ones, in response to a major attack on our interests. While Obama's intent is good the reality is that the moderate muslim mainstream has minimal influence on radical elements. I'd expect a major domestic attack with massive casualties in the next 2-3 years. I think that this attack will be severe enough (100k+) that it will trigger a tactical nuclear response and create a 21st century version of the monroe doctrine. In effect we will hold nations responsible for the vermin they allow. If those elements get out of hand then the nation state unable to police the problem will have it handled externally. I'd say the two most likely candidates for delousing are the tribal area's of Pakistan and north korea...
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The next War will be in California.
How long until the welfare checks run out?
How long until the drug-fueled gangs push back?
California can't even pay out tax refunds.
California can't pay it's vendors and contractors.
When the US economy can no longer support the welfare rolls we have a real problem.
What nobody is saying is 1 million jobs lost is $1.6 billion a month Social Security revenue that is lost. Congress already raided this fund, now it has to put it back big time.
National Debt $1.2 Trillion. Hummm Congress is gonna double that in one year.
National revenue from taxes. $2.7 billion Stimulus package $1 Trillion.
Next war is in the streets of California.
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China/India/Pakistan, think something will kick off between 2 of those three
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Heck why worry about the next war? If EEstor's idea works as claimed the whole world will end as we know it without anyone firing a single shot.
Here is a prediction from another site, I thought was interesting...
If EESTor works as claimed, game’s over - all lithium ion people can go home and look for new jobs.
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I would gladly accept the loss of a ‘lithium ion people’ (plus a lot more) if their product is real.
Lets go down the foxhole here…and just for a moment assumed what EEStor says they have is real. According to them, they wil be able to mass produce a 52kWh pack for about $2,100, no degradation, 6 minute charge time…the whole thing weighs 330 pounds.
If EEStor could produce what they claim, it would be the single greatest invention since…since, I don’t know what. It would almost instantaneously and simultaneously solve many of the world’s problems…and create many more at the same time.
It would also displace many more, and larger things than just the ‘lithium ion people.’ It would be the end of the North American automanufacturing business, and most of the domestic suppliers with them…their money is made on premiums, and a tech like this would collapse the system.
It would also virtually end the dependence on foreign oil…but more than that, it would send several countries back to the stone ages (Kuwait, Nigeria, Algeria, etc), and it would throw some countries into civil war (Russia, Venezuela, Iran, etc), other countries would struggle to pick up that lost revenue stream (Saudi Arabia, Norway, Mexico, etc).
Domestically, it would also dramatically eat up revenue streams for our government very quickly, lost from the corporate/personal tax base forever. It would also put pressure on infrastructure, and surely it would be the final nail (and collapse) of the Federal Highway Trust Fund.
The problem with this one product, is in its promise. It is such a giant leap, it renders a HUGE part of the world’s economy (with many layers and levels) obsolute…and replaces it with a much, much more efficient, easy solution. ie) 1 ‘new’ job eliminates 50 old ones, one $1,000 EEStor battery displaces $30,000 of old revenues.
Thousands of other things would change too (electrical infrastructure, raw material industries like coal, natural gas, etc).
Countries would wake up and find their place and social status in the world had changed. Basically, the world would have to re-invent itself.
/personally, I would welcome the pain, because it is the good kind…the kind that eventually would bring positive change, to both people and the environment
//and it is still total BS
///happy…no delighted to be wrong
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Well war with Iran is on the brink right now.
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When has the USA started war with a nation which is even close to their own manufacturing and army strength? And picking a fight with a BIG nuclear power as well? Don't thing that one would go well, nor being likely to happen, since relations and trade with Russia have been improving.
And the Chinese, - what do you think they would do? Invade the USA? In this declining economy every country is losing jobs, and there are perhaps bad days ahead. But the chinese didn't have the good days for too long, - they are much less pampered than we are.
But the thing is, if we completely cut off trade, or even halve it, that could be millions out of jobs. 4.3% job loss out of 1.3 Billion people is about, if my math is correct, is about 58 MILLION people jobless. :O
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So im curious.....
War in the future is inevitable, its something that is Human....
My prediction: Or Russia will try to recapture lost territories, such as Georgia and Ukraine.....
:rofl
Why?No resources,surviving only on USA payments in exchange for military bases on their territory.Its your burden now.
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National Debt $1.2 Trillion.
1.2?
I think it past 10 trillion.
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1.2?
I think it past 10 trillion.
it's 1.2 Trillions 'dollars' not 10 Trillion 'rubles'
;)
However if the devaluation of the ruble continues it might be 20 Trillion rubles next week though...
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But the thing is, if we completely cut off trade, or even halve it, that could be millions out of jobs. 4.3% job loss out of 1.3 Billion people is about, if my math is correct, is about 58 MILLION people jobless. :O
Not really. We import far more stuff than we export on a dollar-for-dollar basis, even with the "benefit" of the stuff made overseas is cheaper than if it was made here. If we cut off all trade of manufactured goods with other nations (and used whatever means necessary to ensure supply of raw materials), and just started making stuff here again, prices would skyrocket but we'd see very low unemployment.
Yes, the standard of living for the average low-skill worker would probably drop since your average broomstick maker would no longer be able to afford that 52" plasma and a new car every 3 years, but they'd have plenty to eat and wear and would probably be healthier overall since expensive tech gadgets and super-cheap foods contribute to America's obesity problem. A little more time spent doing cheap or free leisure activities instead of plopping down in front of the tv would technically "lower the standard of living", but people would be a hell of a lot more healthy.
So cutting off all trade of manufactured goods... Non-essentials would be a lot more expensive but we could make everything we need right here and use whatever means necessary to procure raw materials (what good is an expeditionary military if you don't USE it, eh?). And maybe we'd actually benefit from the use of our military instead of just using it to whomp on people who are already perfectly happy beating on each other without our help.
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As a follow-up thought...
If there is a gulf war three, it damn well better be all about oil... We spent too much money over there and got nothing for it. If we're gonna spend that kind of money and expend lives romping around the world, we better be able to bring home some loot to make the expedition pay for itself.
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Seeing how the 1st and 2nd gulf wars were about oil, how could a 3rd gulf war NOT be about oil?
:huh
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Seeing how the 1st and 2nd gulf wars were about oil, how could a 3rd gulf war NOT be about oil?
:huh
Nonsense. The first gulf war was "about oil" in the sense that a trading partner was invaded in an area that had suffered an upset in stability, but we didn't go in there and take any oil. We re-established regional stability and restored sovereignty to an allied trading partner, but we didn't establish any new supplies or procure special economic favors. The second gulf war showed what happens when you badly scare the US after it's suffered an attack on US soil. Trust me, being in the military I saw a whole lot of stuff that "proved" that Saddam was very close to being able to threaten not only the persian gulf region, but the entire world with chem/bio/nuke weapons. I guess he was too damn good at bluffing because he scared a lot of people very badly, so badly that we called his bluff. But did we get anything out of it? I would argue that we got NOTHING out of it except the incentive to transform our military away from a cold-war footing that just isn't fully appropriate anymore. But the cost has been enormous and we haven't gotten anything out of it. It wasn't about oil, it was about frightening the civilian and military leaders of a nation that was under attack.
But thank you for commenting... Your snippy remark is typical of people who are completely blinded by partisan political bickering and posturing, so much so that they refuse to examine and think about the real facts. You attributed some pretty simplistic motivations (oil greed) to what was a hell of a complex situation when our nation had been attacked and we were faced with threats and posturing by opponents of all types and sizes. Only one nation scared us enough to get pounded, and that was Iraq. But it's just dumb to claim it was about the oil. If it was, we'd have let Baghdad go to hell, brought in Exxon to set up oil fields, and secured a 1 mile wide strip of land for a pipeline while we filled up tankers. Nobody could have stopped us.
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Seeing how the 1st and 2nd gulf wars were about oil, how could a 3rd gulf war NOT be about oil?
:huh
1st one wasn't about Oil. Not even close. It's a shame some accept the brainwashing that the media feeds em.
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I have plenty of arguments against your point but will refrain from posting because this will lead us nowhere but downhill. I am here to make friends not enemies and as far as I'm concerned everyone in this game are my friends until they prove otherwise.
In the grand perspective this world has always been about money and power and that won't change.
The truth is only to be seen if you want to see it, but is still hard to find.
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1st one wasn't about Oil. Not even close. It's a shame some accept the brainwashing that the media feeds em.
Oh the irony.
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Nonsense. The first gulf war was "about oil" in the sense that a trading partner was invaded in an area that had suffered an upset in stability, but we didn't go in there and take any oil. We re-established regional stability and restored sovereignty to an allied trading partner, but we didn't establish any new supplies or procure special economic favors. The second gulf war showed what happens when you badly scare the US after it's suffered an attack on US soil. Trust me, being in the military I saw a whole lot of stuff that "proved" that Saddam was very close to being able to threaten not only the persian gulf region, but the entire world with chem/bio/nuke weapons. I guess he was too damn good at bluffing because he scared a lot of people very badly, so badly that we called his bluff. But did we get anything out of it? I would argue that we got NOTHING out of it except the incentive to transform our military away from a cold-war footing that just isn't fully appropriate anymore. But the cost has been enormous and we haven't gotten anything out of it. It wasn't about oil, it was about frightening the civilian and military leaders of a nation that was under attack.
But thank you for commenting... Your snippy remark is typical of people who are completely blinded by partisan political bickering and posturing, so much so that they refuse to examine and think about the real facts. You attributed some pretty simplistic motivations (oil greed) to what was a hell of a complex situation when our nation had been attacked and we were faced with threats and posturing by opponents of all types and sizes. Only one nation scared us enough to get pounded, and that was Iraq. But it's just dumb to claim it was about the oil. If it was, we'd have let Baghdad go to hell, brought in Exxon to set up oil fields, and secured a 1 mile wide strip of land for a pipeline while we filled up tankers. Nobody could have stopped us.
Eagl, you may be able to provide the name of the installation that was one of the many reasons we went over there in 1990. The installation that the Saudi's built in the Reagan Era. The installation was modeled after an American HQ, so when we went over there, they'd have the identical things. Eskan Village?
Not to mention the 5 AWACS the Saudi's had/still have.
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Oh the irony.
No irony at all. You're flat out wrong.
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Well how nice of you to tell me, but I know you are wrong. So forgive me if I differ from your american perspective.
I will not argue over this, like I said it will lead us nowhere.
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huh, just looked on wikipedia, found a lot of stuff on the subject for Iraq. Very interesting, true or not. I still have no opinion either way, I can say this much though, Saddam got what was coming to him.
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Well how nice of you to tell me, but I know you are wrong. So forgive me if I differ from your american perspective.
I will not argue over this, like I said it will lead us nowhere.
You made the statement about "oil". What "American perspective"? Most Americans would probably agree with you.
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Well let's just say that it goes way beyond just oil, but oil is part of it.
"In GOD we trust"
Gold
Oil
Drugs
They who control the money, control the world. Very simple yet people fail to understand what it really means.
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Well let's just say that it goes way beyond just oil, but oil is part of it.
"In GOD we trust"
Gold
Oil
Drugs
They who control the money, control the world. Very simple yet people fail to understand what it really means.
I suggest you write the next script for the "National Treasure" movies. You could propose that the US Mint has inserted microchips into the "damn pennies"?
Again, when Saddam overran Kuwait, he was less than an hour from the Installation in Saudi Arabia. THAT had NATO and Saudi Arabia worried.
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You impress with your intelligent remarks. I stand in awe of your conversational abilities.
Seriously, there is no doubt that whoever disrupt the supply of oil, or even threaten to, is in a world of hurt.
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You impress with your intelligent remarks. I stand in awe of your conversational abilities.
Seriously, there is no doubt that whoever disrupt the supply of oil, or even threaten to, is in a world of hurt.
So, when NATO removed Saddam from Kuwait, the US ignited the Oil fields, "in an attempt to disrupt the oil supply?" If "oil" is to be any mention in Desert Shield/Storm, is that Saddam wanted to control a large chunk of the World's Oil supply.
But to make as broad of a statement that you did, is wrong. That has been my stance all along. I'm probably one of the few folks that can discuss things without insulting.
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You make emotional and suggestive argumentation.
When did I say that the US ignited the oil fields? I never did.
"Saddam wanted to control a large chunk of the world's oil supply" Did I ever question that?
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:rofl
Why?No resources,surviving only on USA payments in exchange for military bases on their territory.Its your burden now.
<<S>> KGB you know i got nothing but respect for you sir!
However, are there not people in Russia who want the old Empire back?? With its old territories?? And natural resources??
If Russia is not worried about Ukraine, then why are they so against Ukraine joining Nato??
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next war, masher & vortex
Lets get in on! :rock
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"Saddam wanted to control a large chunk of the world's oil supply" Did I ever question that?
yea, your other messages imply that you did.
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Where?
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I did not say HAD weapons, but they all have programs in R and D.
I say...Nope.
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For oil or not, the real irony is that fighting a war in your own self-interest is taboo. Every war we fight is sold to the public as some kind of altruism: the people need their bromide.
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Oh the irony.
Hey let's hear your 9/11, Global warming, and man bear pig arguments then.
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Surprisingly I think the next war might be right here within our own boundaries. The war of Americans against Socialists.
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I don't think the chinese would be a problem for us if war breaks out with North Korea, Back in 2006 when the Koreans tested a nuclear device, China supported us with trying to get them to cancel there nuclear reaserch program.
I dont think we'll go to war with Pakistan too. Yea we are having trouble with them at the Afghany border, But Pakistan is part of the UN.
I think Iran is gonna be our new battleground once we pull out of Iraq. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is reckless, I think we should step in before he gets his hands on WMD's. Only problem is this will be a far more difficult then Iraq. Iran has a more developed Military then Iraq did under Saddam after the First Gulf War. The Iranian Air Force is equiped with U.S. made aircraft including at least 20 F-14 Tomcat fighters, 45 F-4 Phantom II strike Fighters (Veitnam era US fighter) and Mig 29A's along with Iranian made fighters and other imports. Also, Unlike Iraq, Iran has some sort of Navy. The largest ship they have is a frigate but they have plenty of submarines, I remember a few years ago i saw on the news that they developed a super fast ship launched torpedo that it is almost impossible for a ship to dodge. I
I don't know, but just hope President Obama is up for the troubles that are ahead.
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I don't think the Chinese would be a problem for us if war breaks out with North Korea, Back in 2006 when the Koreans tested a nuclear device, China supported us with trying to get them to cancel there nuclear reaserch program.
The entire time supporting Kim with free oil and other economic supports. The Chinese love the little midget for tieing down a sizable chunk of our military deployment. They figure better aimed at Kim then at them. That and when horse trading time comes around they can get good concessions from us for keeping Kim and NK in line. Last time we went to war with NK China sent millions of little Maos at us, little Red books in tow.
But boy, if you think the Chinese are "supporting" America in anyway......?
...best read below.
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Hey let's hear your 9/11, Global warming, and man bear pig arguments then.
Well, all I will ever say about 9/11 is that the official story is not true. Global warming? That's a bad term for what's happening, we're affecting the environment in so many ways but I'm not really sure we are the direct cause for the heated temperatures, at least not in the way people think we are. Saving the planet? That's a big joke, the planet don't care because the planet is fine, we're fu**ed. We are the ones destroying our own habitat, if we keep doing that we deserve to be extinct.
That last part must be a joke. Ha ha ha
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The entire time supporting Kim with free oil and other economic supports. The Chinese love the little midget for tieing down a sizable chunk of our military deployment. They figure better aimed at Kim then at them. That and when horse trading time comes around they can get good concessions from us for keeping Kim and NK in line. Last time we went to war with NK China sent millions of little Maos at us, little Red books in tow.
But boy, if you think the Chinese are "supporting" America in anyway......?
...best read below.
I probably should have worded it diffrently, The chinese were against the North Koreans nuclear program and was with us when we were trying to get them to stop. I didnt mean to say that China is pro american or anything.
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That last part must be a joke. Ha ha ha
Do you get South Park in Sweden?
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<<S>> KGB you know i got nothing but respect for you sir!
However, are there not people in Russia who want the old Empire back?? With its old territories?? And natural resources??
If Russia is not worried about Ukraine, then why are they so against Ukraine joining Nato??
<S>Sir!
You know, I'm not bright enough(many people will back me up on this one) to answer those questions correctly. However Georgia practically belongs to USA,their Senate officially on American payroll.Can you imagine what would happened if Georgia were in NATO?Did you know that Russian warplanes were shot down by Ukrainian supplied and operated antiaircraft systems?They found German weapons in Georgia,and as you know Germany after WW2 is forbidden to sell fire arms into war zone.There was a big scandal in Europe.
Anyway,unstable Georgia and Ukraine backed up by NATO is very bad news.
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Do you get South Park in Sweden?
Yeah? I don't watch TV much.
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Anyway,unstable Georgia and Ukraine backed up by NATO is very bad news.
Bad news for the peoples, good news for arms dealers... $$$$$/€€€€€/£££££
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Pakistan is a real possibility! All its going to take is someone to get a little more peeved about the US missiles being fired into Pakistan to kill Al Qatards
Pakistan is a NATO ally, and there is an agreement as well as a buffer zone on the Pak-Afgh border. Also, if you have PID and are in continous pursuit of a vehicle/personnel, there are concessions that are agreed upon to allow the job to be done.
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Well, all I will ever say about 9/11 is that the official story is not true. Global warming? That's a bad term for what's happening, we're affecting the environment in so many ways but I'm not really sure we are the direct cause for the heated temperatures, at least not in the way people think we are.
Hmm, I would like to hear your theory on 9/11. Being one that was there 1 1/2-2 weeks later to help clean up the mess, among other reasons...
But as far as Global Warming, has anyone considered that it is warming because it the effects of coming OUT of the ice age some lotsa-years ago? Im sure it took a long time to get cold, it didnt just happen overnight, and Im sure it will take a long time to get the temp back to the norm.
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<S>Sir!
You know, I'm not bright enough(many people will back me up on this one) to answer those questions correctly. However Georgia practically belongs to USA,their Senate officially on American payroll.Can you imagine what would happened if Georgia were in NATO?Did you know that Russian warplanes were shot down by Ukrainian supplied and operated antiaircraft systems?They found German weapons in Georgia,and as you know Germany after WW2 is forbidden to sell fire arms into war zone.There was a big scandal in Europe.
Anyway,unstable Georgia and Ukraine backed up by NATO is very bad news.
Just like Russian, French, and German arms were found in Iraq and Afghanistan......
We both want whats best for our National security and at one point, we will but heads with each other. Im sure neither country trusts the other one!
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Hmm, I would like to hear your theory on 9/11. Being one that was there 1 1/2-2 weeks later to help clean up the mess, among other reasons...
Like I said, the official story is not true, period.
Let us look at this as a example.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trWcqxrQgcc
Then consider that this is only a matter of growth hormones used on animals, which was subsequently proven to affect humans. In the bigger picture it's a relatively small and insignificant commercial product. Then... what about when it comes to national security, terrorism, arms trade, funding terrorist acts etc. Don't ever believe that mainstream media will ever give you the truth when it's all a matter of $$$$$$.
What did the official 9/11 report state? That who funded the acts of 9/11 is "irrelevant and of no consequence".
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Any kid nowadays that thinks they are "screwed" thanks to the actions of past Americans must have cut history class an awful lot in high school.
I respect my forefathers but I am very certain a religious nutcase without any fear of death, but with a suitcase nuke in hand, is far more likely to go off than one nuke delivered to the US from another country.
I don't blame my forefathers in the US for those religious nutcases, but I do blame the politicians that served in the past 40+ years for our weakness for relying on energy sources (oil) outside the US.
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Like I said, the official story is not true, period.
What did the official 9/11 report state? That who funded the acts of 9/11 is "irrelevant and of no consequence".
What are your sources?
Let me guess, the press in Sweden (who are even further left than the ones in the US) told you that 9/11 was performed by the US Government to give the US the backing of the UN to start invading Middle Eastern countries?
If you really feel America is deceitful and is willing to murder its own citizens as a tool to start a power/land grab, why are you here talking with these vile Americans and also supporting a power hungry/capitalist American company?
You sound exactly like GSholtz and for that, I pity you.
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I'm not stupid, you think I will discuss details of 9/11 openly on a public BBS? Besides, your guesses are all wrong.
Once I was as patriotic as anyone on this BBS, serving my country. Until I found out first hand that we are part of a bigger system that does not care about the lives of one, not even the lives of many. From the perspective of national security, I started researching economy and how the banking system actually work. One of the biggest problems we have in this world is anonymous banking. As long as wealth and property can be hidden and traded without the public ever knowing about it, the bankers will rule this world. It has been that way for hundreds of years and it's not about to change.
When you grow up, you grow up learning to take a lot of things for granted. Like you learn how the sky is blue, grass is green, snow is white and all that. Those things you can see with your own eyes thus you know for yourself that this is true. It is the things we learn to take for granted, which we only have heard from other people or have been taught, that we need to question. At least question a lot more than we do today. Like I hear how the US Federal Tax is being questioned in the US. Several organizations claiming that the federal tax is unconstitutional and unlawfully enforced. That is a good example of what we take for granted. Paying taxes is just something we all do, but have you ever read the law yourself? Thus we rely on what we hear from other people.
If you grow up in Palestine you learn that the USA and Israel is evil and the only way to salvation is through Islam. On the other hand if you grow up in NYC you learn that America is a free and peace loving country. What I'm saying is that it is all a matter of perspective and what you grow up to accept as true. The palestinians share the same blue sky as we do, the grass is green over there as well. Today we live in a world in which information means everything. Instead of accepting everything we hear and see on TV, the news etc, as the truth, we should question it. Question everything stated as being true, and you might some day actually get the truth. At least you have a better chance at it.
My english is not that great, it's difficult for me to explain this and get the point across in a good way but I hope you get it anyway. Some undoubtedly will think that I'm a left-wing or communist, and that I sympathise with Palestine. This is not true and if you seriously think that I am either of those things you most likely didn't understand my post in the first place and need your head checked.
I admit to being atheist... I just don't put my faith in something I can not believe. I also find it hard to believe a guy (the pope) preaching to the poor masses about giving (to the church) when he himself hold enough wealth to feed clothe and shelter every homeless human being on this planet. That's nothing but hypocracy. A fine example of what we grow up into believing and holding as the truth. It is called indoctrination, and we are all subject to indoctrination by the very nature of our society.
The time of democracy is coming to an end.
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deleted, it isn't worth it.
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The time of democracy is coming to an end.
Wrong,
America is doing as good as it's ever been doing, oh, and we're a Republic, not a democracy. :)
The time of democracy won't come to an end, and it never will.
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...it isn't worth it.
Agreed.
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Vortex:
"I admit to being atheist... I just don't put my faith in something I can not believe. I also find it hard to believe a guy (the pope) preaching to the poor masses about giving (to the church) when he himself hold enough wealth to feed clothe and shelter every homeless human being on this planet. That's nothing but hypocracy. A fine example of what we grow up into believing and holding as the truth. It is called indoctrination, and we are all subject to indoctrination by the very nature of our society.
The time of democracy is coming to an end."
I doubt the pope can feed everyone starving for long, but some time.
It can be done though.
Regarding the end of democracy, I cannot see that one coming. Things are swinging a bit to the left, I guess because they were too much to the right in the first place, - but that's about it. Or are you predicting monarkism or despotism?
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I probably should have worded it diffrently, The chinese were against the North Koreans nuclear program and was with us when we were trying to get them to stop. I didnt mean to say that China is pro american or anything.
The Chinese were able to stop Kim at anytime in his development yet they didn't. Instead they kept him propped up with economic support. They were certainly aware of Khans network ,Pakistani collusion, and Iranian support yet they did nothing. How can you be "against" a program that you also allowed to come to fruition? You forget Taiwan also had a nuclear weapons program back in the '90s. America told them in no uncertain terms to shut it down and they complied immediately. Now compare that to the dribbling Chinese pressure on NK, which btw ended with NK testing a device. Hell, NK admitted 3 years before the test that they had the weapons already. For decades both they and the Chinese hosed concessions out of the stupid Democracies of the world. Most of all America. To the Chinese they figure every million tons of oil we deliver to this mutt is one less million they have to give away as a freebie.
Even if we can verify their nuclear program has been halted they still have a very large chem/Bio program along with active systems to deliver them. Whats the plan for that ?
We have a huge qualitative and qualitative edge on the Chinese militarily. They used Kim to buy time for themselves while they modernized. The first Gulf war scared the bejeezus out of the Chinese. They saw that their military philosophy was flawed and there was no substitute for technology in current and future wars.
Nobody was "with us" just like nobody "supported" us.
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anybody ever think that the next war might not be a physical war? what if it were an information/technology war?
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Regarding the end of democracy, I cannot see that one coming. Things are swinging a bit to the left, I guess because they were too much to the right in the first place, - but that's about it. Or are you predicting monarkism or despotism?
Well the fact of the matter is that without fossil fuels we can not provide food for more than maybe 2 billion people on this planet, even with the help of modern technology this is a fairly optimistic figure. Exactly when fossil fuels will no longer be commercially usable because of extreme prices is not known but we know it will happen. Think about the implications of a global population of between 7-9 billion people needing to shrink to max 2 billion. People will starve, unemployed and without homes. Imagine 5 billion people starving to death, who or what will decide who those 5 billion people will be? Preparations for this crisis has already begun by making sure governments can monitor and control the population, with force if need be.
So I'm pretty certain that the next global war will be against our own governments, but of course the risk of conventional war is always present.
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anybody ever think that the next war might not be a physical war? what if it were an information/technology war?
That one is already underway. So it's not the "next" war at all. The US military just fought off a fairly well organized and sustained attack, and we're still adapting to the repercussions. Only a fool would just gonna sit around and take it without doing something in return...
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Yeah, the war is fought on the internet every day around the clock. Nothing much would change there if a conventional war broke out.
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I'm not stupid, you think I will discuss details of 9/11 openly on a public BBS? Besides, your guesses are all wrong.
American translation- I have no idea what Im talking about but Im not about to admit that to you.
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I just don't want to get dragged into a detailed discussion of what happened at 9/11. It could go on forever, it's not worth the time. Especially when there is no point. What are we going to accomplish? Excavate building 7 to see what really took it down? Too late for that if you ask me and if you think I'm worried about my credibility you're wrong, I don't care what you think of me. If you call me stupid I might call you stupid back, then what are you going to do? :lol
Retarded arguments require retarded answers, or better yet no answer at all.
So shut your cake hole if you don't have anything intelligent to add to the discussion.
Prime example of american stupidity: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Khaa3y0i87s
We've used this tech for almost 15 years now, nothing new about it at all.
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So shut your cake hole if you don't have anything intelligent to add to the discussion.
Priceless, coming from a European 9/11 conspiracy theorist. :lol
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Bottom line, 9/11 was the single worse day in American History. Too many people died for no reason. Its that simple.....
No theory or anything is necessary. Muslim extremists hijacked 4 planes, 2 hit the trade centers, 1 hit the pentagon and 1 crashed in Pennsylvania.
End of story.........
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So far your score for "facts and evidence" is a total zero but you come in with a 100% with insinuation and rumor mongering. You are in no position to call anyones arguements or positions "retarded" and your arrogance is really getting hard to stomach. Even worse you cant understand why Americans dont like hearing looney Euro-conspiracy theories about 9/11. We lost a lot of our countrymen that day and kinda despise hearing a Swede use it as a channel for his left wing fantasy spinning.
But if you are going to say it then at least back it up with something. Calling people "retarded" and then saying you dont want to talk about it leaves you in a bad position.
I just don't want to get dragged into a detailed discussion of what happened at 9/11. It could go on forever, it's not worth the time. Especially when there is no point. What are we going to accomplish? Excavate building 7 to see what really took it down? Too late for that if you ask me and if you think I'm worried about my credibility you're wrong, I don't care what you think of me. If you call me stupid I might call you stupid back, then what are you going to do? :lol
Retarded arguments require retarded answers, or better yet no answer at all.
So shut your cake hole if you don't have anything intelligent to add to the discussion.
Prime example of american stupidity: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Khaa3y0i87s
We've used this tech for almost 15 years now, nothing new about it at all.
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within next 4 years, cause you know who is runnin country
-BigBOBCH
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within next 4 years, cause you know who is runnin country
-BigBOBCH
Curious as to what this means?
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Curious as to what this means?
cant say it, its considered political lol
-BigBOBCH
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Just like Russian, French, and German arms were found in Iraq and Afghanistan......
We both want whats best for our National security and at one point, we will but heads with each other. Im sure neither country trusts the other one!
Agreed 100% sir!
Diplomacy is exhausted. In the near future brute force will be the judge.
"It is not truth that matters, but victory."-Adolf Hitler
Terrifying isnt it?
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Agreed 100% sir!
Diplomacy is exhausted. In the near future brute force will be the judge.
"It is not truth that matters, but victory."-Adolf Hitler
Terrifying isnt it?
Exactly, but lets hope and pray it doesnt get to that point!! Because war with our two countries will be the end of war itself!!!
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possibly actions vs the somalian pirates
Possibly cuba
yemen
north korea
although war with any of these is unlikely if war was going to break out between any counties these are the ones
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So far your score for "facts and evidence" is a total zero but you come in with a 100% with insinuation and rumor mongering. You are in no position to call anyones arguements or positions "retarded" and your arrogance is really getting hard to stomach. Even worse you cant understand why Americans dont like hearing looney Euro-conspiracy theories about 9/11. We lost a lot of our countrymen that day and kinda despise hearing a Swede use it as a channel for his left wing fantasy spinning.
But if you are going to say it then at least back it up with something. Calling people "retarded" and then saying you dont want to talk about it leaves you in a bad position.
I understand your perspective but do I care? No.
Left wing? Get real.
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Obviously you don't care. You've still made yourself look foolish one way or another.
Leftist?? I guess in Sweden your more "centrist". :lol
I understand your perspective but do I care? No.
Left wing? Get real.
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Obviously you don't care. You've still made yourself look foolish one way or another.
Leftist?? I guess in Sweden your more "centrist". :lol
Like I said, it is only a matter of perspective. I'm sorry that is your perspective and that you can see it in no other way. Swedish politics is very left oriented, the right wing party is more to the center than anything else, it's a shame.
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Try to keep it cool gents!
Dont wanna be skuzzified!! :aok
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More poor attacking the rich. The rich are the ones making the jobs available. Tax the rich too much and they just have to cut back... meaning less jobs, less tax money then even less jobs. You want to make a difference get rid of free trade agreement and start a fair trade agreement. You'll find countries other than the United States crying foul then.
The worst thing I see in all this is giving money to those that do not pay taxes at all and giving money to companies and investment firms that are not run properly. Total waste.
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Shuffler :aok
Note that there are two categories of people that pay no taxes. The super rich, who live in city states and pay no taxes, District of Columbia in Washington D.C., the City State of London "the Crown City" and the Vatican being the most shining examples. This club is the financial elite of the world and are never listed on the "wealthy people list" simply because they don't want to be listed and their assets are tied to banks with 'special policies', well... they own these banks.
Then there's the people who have no money, no income and no job.
I'd rather give money to the latter but yeah, if they can't support themselves why should we? The real killer though is that everyone who pay taxes support the super rich, who pay no taxes.