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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Beefcake on May 08, 2009, 12:38:44 AM
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Very very interesting movie and I enjoyed watching it. On a scale of 1 to 10 I give it an 8. Pretty good story IMO and alot of the charaters are spot on like Dr. McCoy. I know some of you are far bigger critics than I am but I'd recommend seeing it at least once before you claim JJ Adams murdered the film. :D
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Very very interesting movie and I enjoyed watching it. On a scale of 1 to 10 I give it an 8. Pretty good story IMO and alot of the charaters are spot on like Dr. McCoy. I know some of you are far bigger critics than I am but I'd recommend seeing it at least once before you claim JJ Adams murdered the film. :D
I hear it was totally awesome (this from proper geeks too). I'm seeing it tonight.
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I saw it last night and loved it. :aok
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I saw it lastnight (10pm show) in IMAX... :O wow!!
I loved it. The special effects were totally AWESOME!! If you get a chnce to see this in IMAX you really should!
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I'll go see it tomorrow. Ive been mesmerized by ST ever since the show came out in 1967.
You young people may not believe it now, watching that old tripey show now, but at the time it was cutting age television. Both cultural and EFX-wise. It only lasted 3 seasons and was only mildly successful. But look at the Legs she showed lasting all these years.
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This thread boosted my confidence even more. Definitely going to take a look, in 2 weeks.
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Not everyone liked it! :confused:
http://www.theonion.com/content/video/trekkies_bash_new_star_trek_film (http://www.theonion.com/content/video/trekkies_bash_new_star_trek_film) :rofl
The Onion rocks!
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Awesome movie!! A roller-coaster ride the entire flick!!!! :rock
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I just saw it. They really tried to tell to long a story in to short a time. I would have liked to see them take a chance and do something original rather then the same old tired "villian" thing. I have no regrets about paying the $6.50 tho. It was fun and Uhura is hot!!! It was worth the price just to see her in skivies.
No more spoilers, You'll have to see it yourself.
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It was excellent. No other word for it. Ex-cel-lent!
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Went to the theater for a 1pm show and it turned out to be an IMAX showing. Wife groaned at the cost but what the heck you only live once.
Great Moive, lots of fun, lots of things to see and experience. Will definately watch it over several times on DVD as I know I missed some stuff, it moved fast constantly..
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Loved it too.
No spoilers, but they did a very nice job of both respecting (and referencing) the old material while taking things in new directions.
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Not everyone liked it! :confused:
http://www.theonion.com/content/video/trekkies_bash_new_star_trek_film (http://www.theonion.com/content/video/trekkies_bash_new_star_trek_film) :rofl
The Onion rocks!
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:rofl :rofl
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Nay sayers got their bellybutton kicked worse than Nero.
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See Rule #2
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xbrit that wont be any good for you , you wont be able to see it !!!!!! :lol
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See Rule #2
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Is this you?
(http://cache.gizmodo.com/assets/resources/2008/04/iPhone%20Huge%20Eric%20GI.jpg)
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Not everyone liked it! :confused:
http://www.theonion.com/content/video/trekkies_bash_new_star_trek_film (http://www.theonion.com/content/video/trekkies_bash_new_star_trek_film) :rofl
The Onion rocks!
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That's pretty funny!
Best line: "If I wanted to see young attractive people doing cool things... I'd go watch sports."
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I saw it and it was alright, but I don't like the direction its taking Spock and Uhura. Part of the chemistry in the original was him hiding his emotions and having McCoy and him going at each other about it.
Urban as McCoy gets a BIG thumbs up. He was McCoy.
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Do not try to flirt with it either. We will not take it lightly and will not hesitate to ban anyone for discussing this on our board. Take it someplace else.
Again, it should not have to be said. Breaking the law is breaking the law. If you do not like the laws, then write your appropriate representative, where applicable.
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Back on the original track..
OMG!! Just got back.. That movie was WAY beyond anything I ever dreamed. Found myself muttering 'Oh #@$! ' a couple times during the movie, I was so floored.
I WANT MORE!
MORE MORE MORE!!!!
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Was an excellent movie!
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I'm guessing you guys liked Revenge of the Nerds as well :devil
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I'm guessing you guys liked Revenge of the Nerds as well :devil
When it was first released.. yes.
As I was with Animal House, Star Wars, and Apocalypse Now.. when they were released.
I was entertained.
Is that a problem?
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Now to see if salvation bombs.
Hey, its the 21's century, we are going to spend the next 100 years remaking every movie ever made from the 20th century.
now THATS PROGRESSION! (where is my thumbs down smiley?)
Originality -5 Fail.
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Salvation should be pretty good as long it doesn't get over done with the Transformers.
Of course they could screw it up and change John Connor around like they did in the ST movie with a parallel universe. Thats always been Hollywoods easy way out to rewrite an original storyline.
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i really liked the movie!!
as far as star trek movie's go, i think it is the best one yet!!
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...as far as star trek movie's go, i think it is the best one yet!!
This is all that needs to be said:
(http://www.celluloidheroreviews.com/images/wrath_of_khan.jpg)
(http://distractible.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/khan.jpg)
(http://phantomleap.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/star-trek-2-wrath-of-khan-c.jpg)
(http://www.jammersreviews.com/images/misc/khan/ent_reliant.jpg)
(Still the best-looking version of the Enterprise)
(http://www.stardestroyer.net/Mike/Movies/WrathOfKhan.jpg)
(http://thecia.com.au/star-trek/movies/images/02-11.jpg)
(http://awakingdream.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/wrathkhan.jpg)
And for good measure...
taH pagh taHbe' (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KwTW6EzY1c)
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**Spoiler**
One thing I liked was how heavily armed the Federation Ships where. Obviously the armada was blown to hell by Nero's ship but man the USS Kelvin held it's own for awhile, and of course the new NCC-1701 was awesome in the amount of firepower she was unleashing at the end. I always hated the later versions of ST (like TNG) where the flagship of the Federation only has 3 torpedo launchers and a couple of phasers. (or so it seems the way it's shown in the shows)
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Agreed Beefcake, however the new phasers were to star warsy imnsho. They aren't "turbo lasers" they are phasers = phased lasers.
The other thing that really does bug me is the engineering section. It looked more like a oil refinery than a starships engine room. And anybody else notice that alot of the piping and storage containers looked old and beat up? This is supposed to be a brand spanking new starship! Engineering looked more like something you would see in a old battlestar. Also it was so dang big and cavernes didn't really look like being a futuristic, warp field creating engine room.
You go from a cool looking, futuristic bridge to a oil leaking engine room with a bunch of pipes and old looking equipment WTF? :huh
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The greatest Star Trek battle scenes are fan made... Believe it or not!
Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLk0hhWBhEE
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=DE&hl=de&v=PucduOfLkvI
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The other thing that really does bug me is the engineering section. It looked more like a oil refinery than a starships engine room. And anybody else notice that alot of the piping and storage containers looked old and beat up? This is supposed to be a brand spanking new starship! Engineering looked more like something you would see in a old battlestar. Also it was so dang big and cavernes didn't really look like being a futuristic, warp field creating engine room.
You go from a cool looking, futuristic bridge to a oil leaking engine room with a bunch of pipes and old looking equipment WTF? :huh
Actually, I always found that to be the problem with star strek, the ships look too clean, like nobody lives in them.
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well it doesn't have to be "too clean" but what they had just didn't fit to me.
Also it's a military ship so the crew gets to spend alot of spare time "cleaning" just like nowadays. Besides in space things should be clean, it's not like your gonna track in mud from working outside ;)
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The new ship just looks awful PERIOD. Like it was drawn by a six year old. Horrible proportions, and just generally awkward. I stand by my position: They should have just increased the detailing on the classic exterior, which they could have done without ANY trouble of making it believable with modern SFX (deflector grid, visible phaser emitters, docking ports and torpedo tubes, "Aztecing" on the hull).
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Adapt or die.. FWIW.. The bridge was something else that die hard classic fans complained about. The one in this latest film will look dated in a decade or so. We already have the tech to replicate what was in the movie.
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Whiners will always find something to whine about. The new Star Trek movie is one of IMDB's top 250 films (#62) with an average rating of 8.6/10. That's impressive.
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fun movie
saw it in imax - worth the money
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I wonder how many of those that weren't thrilled with the movie had a clue to what the movie was about before actually seeing it.
By that, I mean, how many went digging for any snippet of information about the movie, who played whom, plot leaks, rumors, or anything else before sitting down to the exta-buttered large theatre popcorn and diet soda? ( oh, and a box of whoppers, for the chocolate fix )
I saw it pretty much cold. All I knew was that it had to do with the original crew and Spock was played by the guy who does Sylar from Heroes.
I was not burdoned by expectations or suspicions. I had no lengthy discussions about hypothetical situations based on rumors.
I had a freakin' blast.
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The greatest Star Trek battle scenes are fan made... Believe it or not!
Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLk0hhWBhEE
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=DE&hl=de&v=PucduOfLkvI
That was pretty cool.
Thanks!
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Best Star Trek movie to date, as far as I am concerned.
I really liked how he weaved in the little character shots you only knew about if you know the history of Star Trek, and yet still made it work for those who had never seen a Star Trek film or series at all.
Brilliantly done, overall.
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The family and I really liked it :aok Great little nuances back to the old series (remember the guy that died on the sky dive? what color shirt was he wearing?) My son picked right up on it :) He told the guy on screen to change his shirt before something bad happened.
ReDhAwK
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Saw it on Saturday. Overall, it was a good movie. The guy who played McCoy nailed his character. Liked Spock, though they over did the emotionalism IMO. Totally missed the fact that the guy who died in the orbital skydive was a red shirt :lol. My only problem was with the whole premiss that on the brand new Fed flagship, there were no other field grade or company grade officers with more seniority than Kirk, besides Spock that is. Also had a problem with Checkov being there at all. In the film, he is asked how old he is, and he answers "17". :rolleyes: Come on! The guy's not old enough to be out of high school, let alone be a commissioned ensign. And we're supposed to believe that Kirk enlisted, then managed to get accepted to SF Academy, in less than 3 years??? And how come he's suddenly a leutenant, rather than an ensign, right out of the Academy, which he didn't technically graduate from because he was on academic suspension at the time Nero attachs? Finally, I don't care if he DID just save the planet. There's no friggin way he'd get instantly promoted from LT (did I mention he should only have been an ensign at most) straight to Captain (the rank, not the position)? That's like jumping three or four ranks :confused:!
Okay, got that off my chest. Great effects. Loved the starship combat sequences. I thought there was good use of humor, which was a hallmark of the original series and sorely lacking in every series since. They tried to squeze just a bit too much into two hours, but over all I enjoyed the movie.
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Sabre, the nod to Kirk's getting cooked by the Academy, for cheating, was to demo one of the changes to the timeline due to the intervention of the bad guy.
Remember, in the original time line Kirk got a commendation from the Academy for coming up with his unique solution to the Kobayashi Maru scenario. That did not play out in the new time line.
I do agree they tried to cram too much into two hours, but given it was only two hours, I think the choices made were pretty well thought out.
I am looking forward to the next movie.
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Best Star Trek movie to date, as far as I am concerned.
I really liked how he weaved in the little character shots you only knew about if you know the history of Star Trek, and yet still made it work for those who had never seen a Star Trek film or series at all.
Brilliantly done, overall.
+1 :aok
only flaw i found
BTW Spoiler
why did spock have all that red liquid with him?
seemed to be a stupid mistake on his part, since it only takes a drop to destroy a planet or star
just being picky i guess
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Heres one that the altered timeline doesn't explain.
Why was Kirk's mother on board the ship at the beginning? According to STNG they had just started letting families come on board the ships in that series because of the long missons they had. Doesn't explain why she was on board pregnant.
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The greatest Star Trek battle scenes are fan made... Believe it or not!
Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLk0hhWBhEE
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=DE&hl=de&v=PucduOfLkvI
Dude...holy toejam.
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The movie was definitely well done, and I really like the whole altered time line aspect, I didn't see that coming at all, this leaves the sequels open to a lot of choices and not restricting them to things that we know to have happened based on the T.V series, like the Vulcan home world getting destroyed, & Uhura & Spock hooking up.
I'm really looking forward to what they do with the series from here on out.
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Dude...holy noodles.
Nice videos and I dug the coup de gras by the old Constitution-refit against the one ship in the second vid (I never watched B5 so I got no idea what that was). However they also very effectively illustrate my beef with the space battles in Star Trek: massive ships hundreds of meters long flying around like it's a WWII dogfight with absolutely no concept of the degree of freedom those ships have. The only time they came close to getting it right was Wrath of Khan (especially the Enterprise's popup behind Reliant at the end). Think Age of Sail man-o-war's crossed with submarines.
Unbelievable that after 40-50 years of TV and films, they're still stuck in the mindset of "Two-dimensional thinking."
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Nice videos and I dug the coup de gras by the old Constitution-refit against the one ship in the second vid (I never watched B5 so I got no idea what that was). However they also very effectively illustrate my beef with the space battles in Star Trek: massive ships hundreds of meters long flying around like it's a WWII dogfight with absolutely no concept of the degree of freedom those ships have. The only time they came close to getting it right was Wrath of Khan (especially the Enterprise's popup behind Reliant at the end). Think Age of Sail man-o-war's crossed with submarines.
Unbelievable that after 40-50 years of TV and films, they're still stuck in the mindset of "Two-dimensional thinking."
If they tried to make it in any way close to what is realistic, star ships would fight it out at huge distances probably measuring in light-seconds or even light-minutes. Makes for boring visuals.
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Even if they don't use the range I wouldn't mind seeing them use TACTICS that would make sense.
It strikes me that most Federation starships (Miranda-class and larger) would fit into the role of the classical frigate. Fast, heavily armed, maneuverable, positioning themselves to rake the target from off-angles where they can bring more of their guns to bear (Constitution refits could put 9 phasers into a classic broadside: as many six from the primary hull, two of the four ventral guns, and one of the two aft guns). Taking advantage of the freedom of space this would extend to circle-strafing forward or backwards, popping up/dropping down and sliding left/right, and rolling to keep as many guns on target as possible.
Ships like the Defiant and Bird of Prey, yeah, they fit more into the torpedo boat role so I can see those high-speed, nose-on gunnery passes there. But it's silly watching ships like the Sovereign and Galaxy-class, which are bristling with phasers fore and aft, constantly making those same head-on passes
IMO they've significantly over-emphasize the photon and quantum torpedoes, too. They were always ever intended as a secondary weapon due to their limited inventory, but in later films and series they're expending them like crazy.
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You need to stop thinking like a tactician and start thinking like a director. You need to fit everything in the frame and the action must not confuse the audience (whom for the most part would not understand an iota of what you just said).
Also you need to tone down the trekkie-autism... It's a movie, not a Star Trek documentary.
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You need to stop thinking like a tactician and start thinking like a director. You need to fit everything in the frame and the action must not confuse the audience (whom for the most part would not understand an iota of what you just said).
Also you need to tone down the trekkie-autism... It's a movie, not a Star Trek documentary.
There's nothing wrong with wanting to see a director actually make an effort to make things look believable. That's part of the suspension of disbelief, especially for people who actually DO have a clue and like their flash to have a bit substance to go with it. Yeah, the lightsaber duels in the Prequel Trilogy were flashy fun for ADHD audiences, but anyone who has a halfway decent idea of how to ACTUALLY fight is left groaning by the absurdity of it all, especially when you can watch the Original Trilogy and see that, "Hey, there's actually some pretty decent fundamentals in there."
Because believe it or not, if you make an effort to get the drill, the formations, the tactics, the technique right, you end up with a BETTER and more entertaining result. And people NOTICE when it's wrong (that's one of the biggest complaints I've always read about Braveheart and the Patriot. Oh, and I may as well also mention Pearl Harbor, too, as its CGI nonsense makes for a perfect comparison). Ships that are intended to be a half a mile or bigger massing hundreds of thousands, into the MULTI-MILLION ton range zipping around and turning on dimes just LOOKS absurd, and that kills MY suspension of disbelief.
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And people NOTICE when it's wrong (that's one of the biggest complaints I've always read about Braveheart and the Patriot. Oh, and I may as well also mention Pearl Harbor, too, as its CGI nonsense makes for a perfect comparison).
Most of the complaining is done by a vocal minority (you); this thread is a perfect example of that. The new Star Trek movie is climbing the IMDB charts as we speak, and is now the #59 most popular movie ever. That's what counts. That's what makes money.
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Actually thats one thing I liked about the movie Die Hard linked. For those B5 fans (like me) you'll noticed the Intrepid Class Destroyers lumber along and don't move like the Starfleet ships. This is one thing that I liked about B5, the capital ships all had a "heavy" movement too them being very slow to come about or dodge out of the way of incoming fire.
And by the way, there is no way in hell that Babylon 5 was that lightly armed like in that video. One third of the way through the series the station received a heavy refit to her weapons and was easily capable of destroying heavy warships on her own. Freaking biased Trekkie made that film. :D
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Also had a problem with Checkov being there at all. In the film, he is asked how old he is, and he answers "17". :rolleyes: Come on! The guy's not old enough to be out of high school, let alone be a commissioned ensign. And we're supposed to believe that Kirk enlisted, then managed to get accepted to SF Academy, in less than 3 years???
He is supposed to be a genius and that would explain it.
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Near the beginning, after the bar fight scene, Capt. Pike says something to Kirk about his scores being off the chart, hinting to me at least that he was damn smart just not really interested in joining.
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I've never really watched Star Trek (I'm a Star Wars guy, ISD Mk II FTW!!!) but my best friend is, and she dragged me, her boyfriend and his brother to see it friday night. It was actually fun to watch, and I loved seeing Simon Pegg as Scotty. I realized that Spock looks, sounds, and talks EXACTLY like a kid in my A.P. History class, which is kinda funny.
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Most of the complaining is done by a vocal minority (you); this thread is a perfect example of that. The new Star Trek movie is climbing the IMDB charts as we speak, and is now the #59 most popular movie ever. That's what counts. That's what makes money.
And Pearl Harbor made almost $450 million. So I guess the technical inaccuracies mean squat since money is all that matters.
:rolleyes:
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Quasi-spoiler alert...even though this whole thread is :)
This may sound strange, but I enjoyed most aspects EXCEPT the plot of this movie. I loved the throw backs to the original characters and their quirks. (particuarly Karl Urban as McCoy...awesome) I felt like they did a great job encompassing the spirit of the original series. The battles were both enticing and exciting, especially the first one. Effects were of course pretty...which is nowadays standard I suppose.
However the plot I thought was lacking in many, many ways. Everything felt waaaay too coincidental and in a way, gimmicky. Characters seemed shoved together by a weird twisting scheme which felt forced. (Kirk meeting old Spock being the worst of the encounters) However, even this I could ignore, since after all I get to see my beloved characters coming of age and interacting for the first time with one another.
However, what I could not ignore was the decision to use the "alternate reality created through a black hole" plot "twist." Basing the entire movie on the "alernate reality" concept and encompassing every cliche "I can't meet myself but I will anyway!" moment was really irritating. I realize they did this in a few episodes over the course of the several shows, but of the movies I expect more. As soon as you bring in time-travel of any sort you immediately discredit your entire plot and by extension every plot of every show or movie which became before. You fall into the "terminator" cycle, wherein you may as well just keep going back 1 minute earlier than you did last time, in order to make everything "right." Ugh. Shame on you, writers.
Anyway, in the end it is still worth seeing, no doubt. Particuarly for those of us who enjoyed the original series...I really do think they did a good job with the characters. See the movie, it is certainly worth it. But this is not the epic which I was so desperately wanting. Also, I completely agree Wrath of Khan is the best, followed perhaps by First Contact and the Undiscovered Country.
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Now that my Star Trek review is done....
Seriously, you're comparing the butchering of Pearl Harbor to the butchering of Star Trek? Lets flush this one out a bit.
Pearl Harbor: Real Event. Over 2,000 people killed. Pulled the United States into a global conflict which would re-shape the history of the 20th century.
Star Trek: Fictional story/universe.
End of argument.
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And Pearl Harbor made almost $450 million. So I guess the technical inaccuracies mean squat since money is all that matters.
:rolleyes:
It flopped as well considering the amount of money they spent to make and market it.
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However, what I could not ignore was the decision to use the "alternate reality created through a black hole" plot "twist." Basing the entire movie on the "alernate reality" concept and encompassing every cliche "I can't meet myself but I will anyway!" moment was really irritating. I realize they did this in a few episodes over the course of the several shows, but of the movies I expect more. As soon as you bring in time-travel of any sort you immediately discredit your entire plot and by extension every plot of every show or movie which became before. You fall into the "terminator" cycle, wherein you may as well just keep going back 1 minute earlier than you did last time, in order to make everything "right." Ugh. Shame on you, writers.
Of course if you figure in that in Enterprise they had Federation time cops that went back in time to stop events like this from happening makes you wonder why they did this.
The REAL answer? Hollywood can't come up with any good original ideas that they simply rewrite the old ones.
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When I go to see a movie or turn on a TV program I don't just look at character, plot, pacing, action, SFX. I see the universe as a whole and its mythology. I LOVE mythology and seeing the way it affects everything else. And it's why it annoys me to no end seeing franchises toss that mythology into the dumpster. It's why the BSG remake pissed me off. They established this internal mythology, and then rather than resolve what it left hanging (as with most people, I don't acknowledge Galactica 80 as part of the "canon") they dumped it instead.
Tango,
I LOVED that episode.
Sisko: "It was the Enterprise!"
Cop #1: "Which one?"
Sisko: "The original."
Cop #2: "Oh... HIM...."
ROFL!
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Yeah, but you are a rare breed Saxman. Far too rare to make a noteworthy part of the demographics. Perhaps sad, but still true. There is a saying in Hollyweird: Movies made for fans do not work.
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Ok, Saxman.. what did you think about the skydiving scene where it was completely silent in the external view, except for the breathing ( reminiscent of Kubrik and 2001, A Space Odyssey ) ? Then having sound when they entered the atmosphere and punched through the sound barrier.
I was impressed. Seems like they got a little away from that with the battle scenes, though.. I guess I better go see it again to make sure..
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Ok, Saxman.. what did you think about the skydiving scene where it was completely silent in the external view, except for the breathing ( reminiscent of Kubrik and 2001, A Space Odyssey ) ? Then having sound when they entered the atmosphere and punched through the sound barrier.
I was impressed. Seems like they got a little away from that with the battle scenes, though.. I guess I better go see it again to make sure..
I'm with you drone. I think they did a good job with silence in multiple locations. The first was the initial battle, when the female gets sucked out of the breach in the Kelvin. You hear the "nooooo" scream until she leaves the atmosphere of the ship, then you just see all the chaos and weapons, but hear nothing at all. The diving scene was another great one. I feel like there was a third later on...but I don't recall where.
This is exactly what I mean though...I really enjoyed how the movie was made, but the plot was just unforgivable. There was still too much fire and explosions, considering they are fighting in a vacuum :) But hey I've yet to see a single sci-fi show/movie that pulls that one off. (and no, there isn't THAT much O2 pouring out of the armor plates of the ships :) )
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There was still too much fire and explosions, considering they are fighting in a vacuum :) But hey I've yet to see a single sci-fi show/movie that pulls that one off. (and no, there isn't THAT much O2 pouring out of the armor plates of the ships :) )
And you know this how?
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And you know this how?
I suppose I don't. Just doesn't really make any sense.
In AH terms, that's like ripping out the self-sealing tank material and putting in a layer of explosive that detonates on kinetic impact. No one (except maybe the A6M designers :) ) would design an airplane like that...why make a spaceship that way? You would want your most explosive compounds (yes, concentrated O2 is quite volatile) safely hidden in the depths of the ship, I would think.
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The first was the initial battle, when the female gets sucked out of the breach in the Kelvin.
I think you mean 'blown out.'
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I think you mean 'blown out.'
I do, thanks :aok And not like the hair-cut on Long Island.
Equalizing pressure in a matter of seconds sure is fun.
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I suppose I don't. Just doesn't really make any sense.
In AH terms, that's like ripping out the self-sealing tank material and putting in a layer of explosive that detonates on kinetic impact. No one (except maybe the A6M designers :) ) would design an airplane like that...why make a spaceship that way? You would want your most explosive compounds (yes, concentrated O2 is quite volatile) safely hidden in the depths of the ship, I would think.
You know... You could strike a match in space and it would burn. A lot of materials will burn without an external source of oxygen. Also those star ships are powered with fusion- or antimatter-plasma through a plasma-grid using the magnetic-bottle principle. If you have any idea what fusion/antimatter-plasma is you can imagine what will happen if containment is breached.
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You know... You could strike a match in space and it would burn. A lot of materials will burn without an external source of oxygen. Also those star ships are powered with fusion- or antimatter-plasma through a plasma-grid using the magnetic-bottle principle. If you have any idea what fusion/antimatter-plasma is you can imagine what will happen if containment is breached.
Really? I was under the impression the only "burning" that occurs in space without an external O2 source is nuclear reaction via fusion within stars. How does a match burn if the fuel source has no O2 with which to bond?
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Explosions can (and do) still occur in space. They won't LOOK the same, but they do.
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Really? I was under the impression the only "burning" that occurs in space without an external O2 source is nuclear reaction via fusion within stars. How does a match burn if the fuel source has no O2 with which to bond?
The wood won't burn without external oxygen, but the head of the match contains potassium chlorate which is an oxidizer.
You can fire guns in space too. And imagine this... you can even burn rocket fuel! True story!
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You know... You could strike a match in space and it would burn. A lot of materials will burn without an external source of oxygen. Also those star ships are powered with fusion- or antimatter-plasma through a plasma-grid using the magnetic-bottle principle. If you have any idea what fusion/antimatter-plasma is you can imagine what will happen if containment is breached.
Ummm, you realize Star Trek is not real, right? :O
J/K, couldn't resist.
On an unrelated yet totally related note.... Anyone seen the Documentary "Trekkies"? One of the best scary movies ever!
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Star Trek isn't real, no. However fusion, antimatter and plasma are all very real.
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Star Trek isn't real, no. However fusion, antimatter and plasma are all very real.
Wow... Yes those are all real. You win. :D
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You can fire guns in space too. And imagine this... you can even burn rocket fuel! True story!
Rocket fuel is mixed with an oxidizer, true story!
No need for sarcasm here, I was asking a legitimate question. I wasn't aware match heads had KClO3 in em. Not to mention it doesn't change my statement that they need an oxygen source...even if in this case it is not pure O2.
Regardless, the entire "look at all the stuff that can burn in space!" is still a red herring to the original question. None of it explains why hitting an area of armor would cause a lasting burn in space. Whether you have O2 or a different oxidizing compound, you still wouldn't want to store it anywhere where you think could get hit.
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No isult indended, sorry. Was meant as a joke. Perhaps I should have added one of these: :) :P
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When George Lucas made Star Wars, Stanly Kubrik berated him for the sounds and explosions in space, where the actual affect would be far different.. to which George responded by saying that the public demanded the flash and booms. It's part of the entertainment.
I look at the 'unreality' that such films provide and I tolerate it, because if the film isn't successfull, there will be no sequel. And, a little of a bad thing with a lot of good is better than none of either.
I'm also one of those that can watch 2001 over and over and appreciate it for the true genius it was.
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The star trek ships weighing more than they ought to be able to swing around like they do isn't any more incredible than torpedoes shaking those same huge ships from one end to the other as they do.. Or the fancy inertial dampeners not catching that, etc.
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I thought the story, cinematography, sound design, CGI, acting, cameos(there were a few) were all very well done. I loved it and will see it again.
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I thought the story, cinematography, sound design, CGI, acting, cameos(there were a few) were all very well done. I loved it and will see it again.
QFT
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Well when 'nation' gets around to building the first starship and we see how its really done it will ruin movies like this but until then I think enjoying Trek movies is just fine with me. :aok
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I enjoyed the movie, however i really didn't like simon pegg- i thought his character was quite annoying, as was his accent.
Spoiler alert
Ok one thing i thought was strange was that the romulan vessel went back in time, but instead of trying to save their planet they went on a killing spree. They knew which star was going to go supernova, why didn't they contact the romulans and let them know what was going to happen in 100 years time? (or however far in the future it was). I'm pretty confident the romulans could have figured something out in that timeframe, or in the very least have evacuated their planet. When nero obtained the red matter he could have simply fired it at the star and prevented the death of his planet in the future? WTF?! Am i missing something? Are the romulans really that crazed and stupid? Surely spock would have considered and mentioned it at some point!
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Thrila - From another forum:
They released a comic ahead of the movie that gave the backstory. It explains why he's a sympathetic character, but realistically, the movie should have been stand-alone and contained that.
Basically this: Nero is a miner. He's a small businessman with a rusty old ship and works for a living. Every day Romulan schmoe. He doesn't really buy into 'empire' as presented by the home government, he just wants to do his job and get paid. He encounters a developing situation: There's a star near Romulus that's acting strange. It appears to be in the middle of some sort of transformation that will cause it to explode in a way that endangers the galaxy. He asks the Romulan government for help, but they don't have any idea what to do, so he decides the Federation is his only chance. He feels like he's the only one taking this threat seriously, so he goes for the one person who can both engage the feds and recognize the scope of the problem: Ambassador Spock.
Spock looks at the data and craps his vulcan pants. He asks Nero to give him a ride to Vulcan where the scientists best able to deal with the emergency are. They warp out there... and Spock is promptly given the cold shoulder. "You've been hanging out with the Romulans, we think you're an ass", is the basic message. They don't trust him, they don't care about what data he's bringing, they're all butt-hurt because he won't stick to the 'We have nothing to do with the Romutards' company line.
Spock keeps working the issue, but Nero becomes impatient. His family is on Romulus, and he feels he has to do SOMETHING. He warps out of there.
Star goes boom.
Shockwave destroys Romulus right as Nero gets there. He is pissed.
He intercepts a consulate ship that has the Praetor and the senate, one of the last to evacuate, and kills them and takes the romulan justice stick (or whatever, the thing he stabs Captain McTightShirt with) and gets info about a secret rendezvous for the government. He spaces the politicians and heads to the secret location.
MEANWHILE: back on Vulcan, Spock is starting to get people to believe him. They've seen the explosion, they're starting to realize that this will endanger the Federation too. Admiral Picard shows up, as does Captain Data of the Enterprise (there's a throwaway line to the effect of 'We managed to download my bits to that retarded droid from the last excreble movie') and so on, and they say "We need a fast ship. Hey guys! I know a guy with one of those!" More on that later...
Back to Nero, he's gone to the coordinates, and it's empty space. He transmits the code, and after an uncomfortable silence and an awkward conversation, a huge space station uncloaks that has the remnants of the Romulan government and happens to be their Area 51. They've been reverse engineering Borg technology and have something that should convert any ship into a big, bad-ass fighting machine. It will grow around the ship, extending it and making it all pointy and dangerous looking. Nero volunteers his ship, and since the Romulans like his 'I WANT VENGEANCE' attitude and don't really care whether his ship is destroyed or not, decides to give his humble little workship an EXTREME BORG MAKEOVER. It turns into the one shown in the ship and starts raising holy hell.
It turns out, Geordi LaForge retired from starfleet (presumably so he could devote more time to pornography now that he has eyes instead of one of those hair things over his face) and has, as a hobby, been building this 'Jellyfish' ship to be a competitive super speedster. Vulcan finally gives up their info, they've developed this 'red matter' stuff that should reverse the supernova. La Forge gives Spock his ship and reluctantly lets Spock take it on what will essentially be a suicide mission.
Nero is out blowing up fleets. He's slashing through Federation ships, alliance, and Klingon. What the hell, let's even throw in a couple of Star Destroyers. Basically he is PISSED. General Worf leads a fleet against him... and it is clobbered. Nero basically kills Worf, but they get a little wishywashy about that, so who knows how that turns out. but he's impaled, old testament style.
Spock races out to the shockwave, does his voodoo that he do so well, and then (See movie for rest).
Hope this helps!
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Thrila - From another forum:
*Barfs*
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Yeah it's pretty sophisticated.
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That's the sort of genius storytelling that made me give up reading the Star Wars novels. Starting with New Jedi Order it just got even MORE ridiculous (most of them up to that point could be done without as well. Just save Stackpole, Zahn and Allston).
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I never bought any of those spin off novels for any series - Star Trek, Star Wars, etc - because they looked and walked like lame parasites of the franchise bandwagon, on top of all the clues of very cheap production (on par with those awful romance pulp novels). Like Transmorphers vs Transformers. Just pornographic cheapness.
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More potential spoilers
Cheers moot, at least that explains why a mining vessel was pimped to the max with weapons. It still makes little sense that nero didn't even attempt to prevent the star from going supernova while he was in the past- he had enough of that "red matter" to destroy the galaxy 10 times over, let alone a single star. Wtf was spock thinking? hauling all that WMD with him, when he only needed a single drop. Ok, Nero is super-pissed, but he can save his planet and then wipe out earth and vulcan at his own leisure.
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I never bought any of those spin off novels for any series - Star Trek, Star Wars, etc - because they looked and walked like lame parasites of the franchise bandwagon, on top of all the clues of very cheap production (on par with those awful romance pulp novels). Like Transmorphers vs Transformers. Just pornographic cheapness.
Timothy Zhan was VERY good. I won't say he was quite on par with the Original Trilogy, but his Thrawn Trilogy and the Hand of Thrawn Duology were WAY better than the Prequels (I'd venture as compared to the changes made in the Special Editions, as well). I know Michael Stackpole gets slammed by fans of some other properties (IIRC there was some derogatory remarks about him concerning Battletech) but the X-wing novels ROCKED (even if they did borrow too heavily from the WEG RPG stats. At least he snuck in the right size of the Super Star Destroyer....).
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Much better than I'd thought it would be. The time travel thing is hokey and was a better fit in the campy Star Trek IV. Why not just write a new story if you're going to change things? A good movie though. Fast paced and good characters, except for Chekov. Scotty was a little over the top but OK.
Kirk was much better than I expected. It was funny watching him chase all the skirts.
Never saw DS9 or B5 but hated TNG (except Picard). Voyager was limp and Enterprise was bad (except for that vulcan chick). Though not the same as the original (like 007, how can it be?), I really liked it. They should have had a Shatner cameo though. He is Star Trek.
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What was wrong with Chekov?
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Chekov is there for comic relief due to his accent (the old "nuclear wessels" schtick). He just plain annoyed me. Come to think of it, Sulu needed a little more personality. He was pretty much a non-factor. Uhura was actually better than the original. And hot. Spock was good as was McCoy. I don't know why exactly Chekov annoyed me, he just did.
edit: I hope they get a new Chekov for the next movie. Just like they did with the drummer kid on the Partridge Family.
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Why not just write a new story if you're going to change things?
Because then they couldn't try scamming the fans by saying "It's not REALLY a remake!"
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He's too consumed in bad-guy rage to think straight. It makes for an easy movie to watch :D
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I found this very funny. Don't watch if you haven't seen the movie yet.
http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1910892
Daniel
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I found this very funny. Don't watch if you haven't seen the movie yet.
http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1910892
Daniel
lol :O
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I liked it. I really liked the new take on the old Characters.
I agree that the plot was meh. However, I think that it was necessarily Meh. The plot had to wipe the slate clean (hence the whole Time Travel/Alternate reality) so that they can go forward with new adventures of the crew, unsaddled by the Cannon. I think it's freakin' brilliant. Don't get me wrong, I loved TOS and the even movies, but in my opinion, this is a GREAT way to explore the Trek universe with the original characters even now that the original actors are about a billion years old.
No offense to those who live to nail the canonical inconsistencies of each effort, but most of those are gone now. And each of the Characters has some change that will affect them and their development. Spock watched his home and mother get iced. Kirk grew up without a Father, Sulu now has a strange craving for Kim Chee.
I cringed at the whole "lets give the newest ship in the fleet to the lead from Star fleet 90210" bit, but on the other hand, Bones being driven into star fleet by a squeak ex-wife put a smile on my face, so I'll call it a wash. And wow. I really thought the new cast totally nailed it. I like that they spent some time defining Uhura as an exceptional Com's officer including xenolinguistics.
I'm glad that they've cleaned the slate, and I'm guessing that the next one will be even better.
As for the point about the Time Cops from "Enterprise" I think the Makers of this movie were trying to help us forget that POS show was ever made.
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They also forgot about the distance between Earth and Vulcan which even at maximum warp wouldnt be a trip that takes just a few minutes.
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As for the point about the Time Cops from "Enterprise" I think the Makers of this movie were trying to help us forget that POS show was ever made.
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They did it more so to try and make everyone forget what made TOS a classic. I don't have much faith that the next one will be that great with the direction they are taking the characters.
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They did it more so to try and make everyone forget what made TOS a classic.
What made TOS a classic?
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What made TOS a classic?
For its time- Originality and social commentary?
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For its time- Originality and social commentary?
It was definitely a show that makes people THINK. But I guess that's too much to ask for the XBox generation, so let's just fill the screen with flashing lights and explosions!
The characters themselves, and the interplay BETWEEN them, was a major factor, and is largely a product of the actors themselves. No matter how much the new cast might "get" it, it's still not going to be the same chemistry. Kirk-Spock-McCoy may be one of the best platonic screen relationships ever, and it owes a LOT to the genuine and close friendships between Shatner, Nimoy and Kelley.
It also presented a positive outlook towards the future when most scifi up to that point was in some way dystopian or bleak. This was a big deal for people living at a time where nukes could start falling on their heads at any moment. It gave people HOPE that tomorrow could be better.
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They did it more so to try and make everyone forget what made TOS a classic. I don't have much faith that the next one will be that great with the direction they are taking the characters.
On the one hand I agree with you, even tho they probably splained it as " we only got so much movie time ect ect" they could have done it like in pretty much every series they do thier "logs" and spend a week or so in warp getting to know the ship and each other blah blah blah. but then it would ruin the whole thing about the fleet getting there a few minutes ahead of the big E due to sulu forgetting to release the parking break :rofl. and also the fleet not being able to fire off a distress msg.
On the other hand, made this movie for EVERYONE not just the die hard trek fans <I R one > Sooo they skimp on a few points like distance and reletivity blah blah blah and just go for the battle scene.
Sure they missed alot of the canon stuff, and did things that the die hard fans would easily see but, the rest of the ppl that saw it wouldn't know all this
except for the poor folks that had to be in the same theater as the jerkoff that kept complaining <loudly> about all the stuff that was wrong wrong wrong!!! atleast until he was thrown out <yay :aok> and they gave all of us free passes to the next showing <or any other of our choosing for that matter <another :aok>
I liked it, I really did. Kirk <shatner> was my childhood hero and I had to really try to keep an open mind for this movie, I ended up really enjoying it. Kirk will always be my hero from childhood and the character that tought me how to REALLY kiss a girl. but, I likey the new kirk I can relate to him especially in regards to the whole rebellious young kid with no direction....
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They did it more so to try and make everyone forget what made TOS a classic. I don't have much faith that the next one will be that great with the direction they are taking the characters.
Sorry, I have to disagree. There was nothing about that contrived half-effort that was Enterprise that did anything to remind us of what a great show TOS was. Trying to move forward while carrying the ridiculous baggage from Enterprise would have been wasted effort in my opinion. Now that they are free from the Cannon, I look forward to seeing where they go. I know that they will lose a few fans along the way, but meh... it happens.
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Sorry, I have to disagree. There was nothing about that contrived half-effort that was Enterprise that did anything to remind us of what a great show TOS was. Trying to move forward while carrying the ridiculous baggage from Enterprise would have been wasted effort in my opinion. Now that they are free from the Cannon, I look forward to seeing where they go. I know that they will lose a few fans along the way, but meh... it happens.
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What does ST: Enterprise have to do with ANYTHING? They're not undoing the mythology established by Enterprise. They're undoing the mythology established by THE ORIGINAL SERIES. Enterprise was just a poorly executed attempt to expand on that background history and foreshadow events in TOS and TNG (which I agree, they SHOULD have left alone if they couldn't do it right. Starting with turning the stupidly advanced Akira on its back to represent a ship a century more primitive than the original NCC-1701, they should have just used the pre-established Daedalus-class. And there was absolutely NO need for them to go into the Borg in Enterprise!).
The only thing they've done right is wrenching the series out from under the thumb of Berman and Bragga, who we have to thank for the mess that was Voyager, Enterprise and Nemesis. They should have made the "Sulu and the Excelsior" spinoff that the cast and fans have been wanting for YEARS.
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Sorry, I have to disagree. There was nothing about that contrived half-effort that was Enterprise that did anything to remind us of what a great show TOS was. Trying to move forward while carrying the ridiculous baggage from Enterprise would have been wasted effort in my opinion. Now that they are free from the Cannon, I look forward to seeing where they go. I know that they will lose a few fans along the way, but meh... it happens.
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As Saxman siad, "What does ST: Enterprise have to do with ANYTHING?". I would suggest you go and watch the end of TWOK and maybe you would understand.
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I would suggest you go and watch the end of TWOK and maybe you would understand.
Watching that right now. :D Kirstie Alley was HOT back then.
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As Saxman siad, "What does ST: Enterprise have to do with ANYTHING?". I would suggest you go and watch the end of TWOK and maybe you would understand.
I'm confused, weren't you the one who brought it up?
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The "time cops" concept was introduced in Deep Space Nine ("Trials and Tribble-ations," one of the best episodes of ANY Star Trek series) not Enterprise. And as *I* said, the mythology being rewritten was NOT created for Enterprise. Enterprise used background history the other series introduced. So your comment about "carrying baggage" from Enterprise is misplaced, because the mythology of TOS, TNG and DS9 would still exist even if Enterprise--which didn't really introduce anything and only (poorly) expanded on pre-established history (personally, I like the Debt of Honor graphic novel explanation for the different appearance of Klingons, that it's two subspecies, better. Would have worked if DS9 didn't make the elderly TOS Klingons like Kor look like the post-Motion Picture Klingons)--had never aired.
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On the one hand I agree with you, even tho they probably splained it as " we only got so much movie time ect ect" they could have done it like in pretty much every series they do thier "logs" and spend a week or so in warp getting to know the ship and each other blah blah blah. but then it would ruin the whole thing about the fleet getting there a few minutes ahead of the big E due to sulu forgetting to release the parking break :rofl. and also the fleet not being able to fire off a distress msg.
I think they got more than that wrong since they all should have had their shields up anyway. A single star going nova could not endanger the entire galaxy but that 'red-stuff' the Vulcans brought into the equation was absolutely reckless and that is completely unlike the Star Trek I know. Taking the three week trip (for warp 5) in a few minutes I think (havent really thrown the math at it) exceeds the transwarp threshold but for the sake of a new director taking over the genre and us getting to know a new cast is forgiveable to get a few things wrong. I hope he does better next time.
I remember Bones calling for Nurse Chapel but did we get to see her? I must have been distracted by the wife or something because if we did I missed it. I just hope its not Jane Fonda or some other god awful actress.
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Boo hoo. Characters are what matter most, and that's what they nailed in this one. They had to make this movie the slate-wiper, and did. The same way that Superman Returns might be "boring", or that The fellowship of the ring might be "nothing but a damn cliffhanger". Who gives a rat's about the special effects.
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I think they got more than that wrong since they all should have had their shields up anyway. A single star going nova could not endanger the entire galaxy but that 'red-stuff' the Vulcans brought into the equation was absolutely reckless and that is completely unlike the Star Trek I know. Taking the three week trip (for warp 5) in a few minutes I think (havent really thrown the math at it) exceeds the transwarp threshold but for the sake of a new director taking over the genre and us getting to know a new cast is forgiveable to get a few things wrong. I hope he does better next time.
Well, as for the sheilds up thing, I think that tho it is probably written in some manual somewhere that due to certain circumstances a Starship should drop out of warp with sheilds up but weapons cold (we are all one big happy fleet and the good guys ....right?) Anywho Starship capt's are notorious for doing things their own way in many situations. IE. TWOK Kirk approaching Reliant with his shields down violating regs <per savvik ofcourse> So them not having shields up could be splained away in many different ways.
From my own personal experience if I let every little missstep such as this which in truth isn't little but my wife tells me it IS! that I wouldn't be able to enjoy the rest of the film and all it offered like character development and such.
Despite what my wife thinks tho I can not and will not get over what they did to the engine room! I mean come on! its a friggin STARSHIP top of the line and brand spankin new. It looked more like a industrial factory or something you would find in a old lumbering frieghter.
As for the Vulcan being reckless with the big ball of red goo, well yeah I agree BUT consider this. In a time when every warp capably ship from mighty starships to lowly poorly maintained freighters have a warp core with several bottles of Anti-Matter flying around with god knows what kind of safety measures and that just a small amount could pretty much wipe out an entire continent or planet for that matter <with enough of it> then the ball of red goo doesn't bother me so much. Just think about that for a lil bit and it wont bother you so much either
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The "time cops" concept was introduced in Deep Space Nine ("Trials and Tribble-ations," one of the best episodes of ANY Star Trek series) not Enterprise. And as *I* said, the mythology being rewritten was NOT created for Enterprise. Enterprise used background history the other series introduced. So your comment about "carrying baggage" from Enterprise is misplaced, because the mythology of TOS, TNG and DS9 would still exist even if Enterprise--which didn't really introduce anything and only (poorly) expanded on pre-established history (personally, I like the Debt of Honor graphic novel explanation for the different appearance of Klingons, that it's two subspecies, better. Would have worked if DS9 didn't make the elderly TOS Klingons like Kor look like the post-Motion Picture Klingons)--had never aired.
Ease up on the Hammers Jack, I never said they were re-writing the Enterprise Mythos or anything to that effect. It was a throw-away line in my post used exclusively to make fun of the Show.
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I'm confused, weren't you the one who brought it up?
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yes a few pages ago in a different remark, but had nothing to do with last statement I made.
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yes a few pages ago in a different remark, but had nothing to do with last statement I made.
So then, you're arguing with yourself? Can someone diagram this for me? I'm not very bright-- I don't even remember which side I'm on! lol.
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No you just need to read all the posts and try to keep up.
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No you just need to read all the posts and try to keep up.
No, I had it right, we're good to go.
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No, I had it right, we're good to go.
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Keep tellling yourself that.
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Keep tellling yourself that.
Naw, once is plenty.
(So, now this is going to be one of those "last word" threads?) lol.
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Just saw the movie, that was one of the best one i have ever seen.
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Khan is still my favorite, but this was a really close second. I thought the rest of the Trek movies were trash TBH, old crew and TNG crew. Never liked the original series to speak of, it was good for a laugh though. Galaxy Quest was better than the original series, and that was supposed to be a comedy.
As far as the techno babble going on in this thread, it's science fiction enough said (transporters...come on). Fire in space, look at any picture of a prominence on the Sun (high-density gas, looks like fire doesn't it). You get the idea.
Aside from Khan, this was the only ST movie I completely enjoyed. A movie that can take me away from reality for 2-3 hours is good in my book.
One last thought, it's a Sci-Fi movie...anything is possible.
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Totally agree with skuzzy.
For an existing star trek fan this movie was awesome.
Lots of action, great casting, great lines, really brought the old girl back to life with a new face.
Love the updated costumes, aliens were there, yet fairly rare.
To me this movie opened the door for a whole new series of movies in a way no ST movie before it has done.
Absolutely top notch. Writers seemed to have sifted through all the old star trek stuff, saved the best and dumped the rest. From red shirt ensigns dieing on away parties to the new spock raising an eyebrow at kirk.
The old stuff we loved is all there, but there is a lot of good new stuff too.
Ohhh and having the "Real" spock come back and play himself, priceless.
Its got it all in my opinion.
Best Star Trek movie to date, as far as I am concerned.
I really liked how he weaved in the little character shots you only knew about if you know the history of Star Trek, and yet still made it work for those who had never seen a Star Trek film or series at all.
Brilliantly done, overall.
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Go see it in IMAX if you can. It is awsome on the huge screen.
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Go see it in IMAX if you can. It is awsome on the huge screen.
The IMAX version was TOTALLY AWESOME! Its the first IMAX show I had ever seen and it was well worth the few extra bucks to see it. Not only was the screen friggin HUGE but the sound....WOW I could feel the explosions reverberating in every bone!
Loved it, highly recomend seeing it in IMAX :rock
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Going to see Terminator:Salvation in IMAX too, cant wait.
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found this.
Sequel
The film's major cast members have signed on for two sequels, which is standard practice.[163] Roberto Orci, Alex Kurtzman and Damon Lindelof began writing the script for a sequel in March 2009, with the hope to complete it by December and produce the film for a mid-2011 release. J.J. Abrams and Bryan Burk will produce, although Abrams has not signed to direct again.[164] He explained with the alternate reality set up in Star Trek, it would be "ridiculous to not be open" to ideas like resurrecting William Shatner's James T. Kirk or recasting Khan Noonien Singh. "The idea, now that we are in an independent timeline, allows us to use any of the ingredients from the past — or come up with brand-new ones — to make potential stories," he said.[165]
here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek_(film)
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Yep, big screen for sure.
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Got dragged to see it today, and actually really enjoyed it. Of course, I spent the whole movie watching and trying to pick out all the characters out before they were actually introduced, and reliving what I'd liked about TOS when I was a kid (Characters and Story, not Tech and Eyecandy), not picking it apart from a Trekkie POV- my date was doing that for me (shes a HUGE Trekkie). I actually LoLed at a few parts that reminded me of the original ("Are you out of your Vulcan mind?") and wowed at some of the visuals. Was surprised at how much I actually enjoyed it.
But the one thing that bugged me most- why, in the movies, are the Romulans ALWAYS total whack jobs? They were the best villains in TOS and TNG, and great allies in DS9, and now they've been Stackpoled! :mad:
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I would not worry about the Romulans anymore. Really. :D
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+1 :aok
only flaw i found
BTW Spoiler
why did spock have all that red liquid with him?
seemed to be a stupid mistake on his part, since it only takes a drop to destroy a planet or star
just being picky i guess
I did wonder that as well. If it only took one drop, why not transport it in smaller less fragile storage increments?
Also, when I saw it I immediately thought of Alias (ABC, Bristow & Vaughn)
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But the one thing that bugged me most- why, in the movies, are the Romulans ALWAYS total whack jobs? They were the best villains in TOS and TNG, and great allies in DS9, and now they've been Stackpoled! :mad:
So far there's only been ONE Romulan villain in the movies that actually ACTED like a Romulan: The Ambassador from Stark Trek VI. He was there but kept his involvement quiet and hidden, playing both sides. THAT'S how Romulans are supposed to act. Sneaky and subtle. Not running around in big-ass ships blowing up everything in sight. Even in TNG where the Romulan Warbirds outgunned the Enterprise they STILL relied on subterfuge rather than a frontal attack.
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Biggest complaint I have "accuracy wise" (being a die-hard Romulan fan) is the Klingon ships they used in the Kobayashi Maru scenario in the movie- a ship that hadn't been developed yet, and even if it had, couldn't have been used by the Klingons because the alliance that led to them getting it was still decades away.
But I'm not a dork. Really.
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I did wonder that as well. If it only took one drop, why not transport it in smaller less fragile storage increments?
Also, when I saw it I immediately thought of Alias (ABC, Bristow & Vaughn)
Im guessing of course but in the movie the Romulan was blasting his way to the core of the planet in order to use a drop of the red stuff but with a star not only would the star be much more massive but you couldnt dig to the center. Perhaps quantity was supposed to make up for being off center by a few thousand miles or something.
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Dam that was fun, loved the attention to initial characters's attitude, especially Dr Mc Coy. :lol Poor Kirck is being beat up iin every other scene :uhoh
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Got dragged to see it today, and actually really enjoyed it. Of course, I spent the whole movie watching and trying to pick out all the characters out before they were actually introduced, and reliving what I'd liked about TOS when I was a kid (Characters and Story, not Tech and Eyecandy), not picking it apart from a Trekkie POV- my date was doing that for me (shes a HUGE Trekkie). I actually LoLed at a few parts that reminded me of the original ("Are you out of your Vulcan mind?") and wowed at some of the visuals. Was surprised at how much I actually enjoyed it.
But the one thing that bugged me most- why, in the movies, are the Romulans ALWAYS total whack jobs? They were the best villains in TOS and TNG, and great allies in DS9, and now they've been Stackpoled! :mad:
I have always wondered this as well... And also, we never see a Romulan ship or have any really major Romulan elements at all from the TMP era(I don't consider Ambassador Nanclus from ST:VI or the Romulan ambassador chick from ST:V that major). The script for ST:III was originally written with Romulans in mind.. The ship and crew of the Bird of Prey were supposed to be Romulan.. That's as close as it got.. :frown:
If you really like Romulans, you should get a hold of the book The Romulan Way. eBay or something will probably be like $1.00 or less.. I got mine at Half-Price books from 50cents..
Anyhow, it gives a detailed history of the Romulans from the time that they left Vulcan all the way up to Star Trek II.. I was totally awed reading this stuff as they are my favorite race
in the Trek Universe (GEEK ALERT GEEK ALERT!!!) The Rihannsu (what the Romulans supposedly really call themselves which means The Delcared: as in Declared to leave Vulcan) series of books (I think there's like 5 now) also offer quite a bit if insight in the Romulan element as a whole..
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I have always wondered this as well... And also, we never see a Romulan ship or have any really major Romulan elements at all from the TMP era(I don't consider Ambassador Nanclus from ST:VI or the Romulan ambassador chick from ST:V that major). The script for ST:III was originally written with Romulans in mind.. The ship and crew of the Bird of Prey were supposed to be Romulan.. That's as close as it got.. :frown:
If you really like Romulans, you should get a hold of the book The Romulan Way. eBay or something will probably be like $1.00 or less.. I got mine at Half-Price books from 50cents..
Anyhow, it gives a detailed history of the Romulans from the time that they left Vulcan all the way up to Star Trek II.. I was totally awed reading this stuff as they are my favorite race
in the Trek Universe (GEEK ALERT GEEK ALERT!!!) The Rihannsu (what the Romulans supposedly really call themselves which means The Delcared: as in Declared to leave Vulcan) series of books (I think there's like 5 now) also offer quite a bit if insight in the Romulan element as a whole..
If you're referring to the FASA book on the Romulans that they published as a reference for their RPG, I used to have it- only book for that game I ever got. Lost it in a move somewhere along the line. Was never all that into Trek, but for some reason I've always loved the Romulans. Especially in stories like Balance of Terror from TOS. Sneaky, yet honorable at the same time.
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If you're referring to the FASA book on the Romulans that they published as a reference for their RPG, I used to have it- only book for that game I ever got. Lost it in a move somewhere along the line. Was never all that into Trek, but for some reason I've always loved the Romulans. Especially in stories like Balance of Terror from TOS. Sneaky, yet honorable at the same time.
That's my all time favorite TOS episode... Love what they did with it with remastering and the CG effects.. Classic....
(http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/startrek/images/thumb/9/97/Bop23rom.jpg/180px-Bop23rom.jpg)
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(I don't consider Ambassador Nanclus from ST:VI or the Romulan ambassador chick from ST:V that major)
Nanclus maybe wasn't MAJOR, but as I said before he was still the only Romulan villain in the movies that actually ACTED like a Romulan (which is why he WASN'T a major villain. I'm sure the Romulans saw the advantage of sparking a Klingon/Federation war, so Nanclus was there to help stir the pot. Once the Klingons and Federation wore themselves out they would be free to move in and snatch up the pieces. That required him working in the background to support the conspiracy).
I think that's why the Romulans don't REALLY work as movie villains. Their methods are just too complicated and subtle for the flashy lights and explosions crowd, because a TRUE Romulan plot would involve much more intrigue and fewer explosions (great example was the episode of TNG where they get rid of a liberal/pacifist senior officer by tricking him into believing they intend to attack the Federation so he'd defect, get out of their hair, AND lure the Enterprise into an ambush to boot). Even though Balance of Terror centered around a space battle there was still a lot of cloak-and-dagger tension to it.
Also, as a point of order Caithlin Dar (ST:V) wasn't even a villain, so it's sort of a moot point bringing her up.
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This was the best Star Trek movie made yet. They stayed true to the show and did it justice.
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You haven't seen WOK have you?
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yea I saw it.It was 2nd best.
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yea I saw it.It was 2nd best.
It's a proven scientific Impossibility for ANY Star Trek film to surpass Wrath of Khan. Period. If such an improbability were to actually occur it would completely unravel the fabric of space-time and cause the universe to instantaneously collapse into a singularity. IT DOES NOT HAPPEN. The sheer awesome generated by Ricardo Montalban alone is insurmountable.
Chuck Norris wears Ricardo Montalban pajamas.
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WOK was always the worst ST for me. Nothing captivating about the villain or his cronies.
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I beg to differ Sax.Any REAL Star trek fan can tell the difference between Ricardos Great performance and Shatners 1 good line....KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN, and a "good" movie.
Try not to mistake a few good moments for an overall good flick.
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Shatner has never been an actor. His big claim to fame didnt come about until watch wallet gun:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yJ7cfr9Lso
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yea I saw it.It was 2nd best.
So I guess you also thought this was the best Star Wars film as well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6hOlI9cg4o
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Star Wars? Lucas raped the series for cash after the first 3. The last 3 were not even worth the price of admission. The Star Trek movie put alot into perspective and was done as well as could be done. Pukas also raped Indiana Jones. Theres no comparison at this point.
The sequel is going to be started soon and I will reserve my thoughts on them doing more movies
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I beg to differ Sax.Any REAL Star trek fan can tell the difference between Ricardos Great performance and Shatners 1 good line....KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN, and a "good" movie.
Try not to mistake a few good moments for an overall good flick.
Shatner is a much better actor than people give him credit for. All you need to do is look at his performance during Spock's death and funeral in ST2, (especially when Kirk chokes on the line "Of all the souls I have encountered on my travels, his was the most human). and when Saavik tells him his son is dead in ST3. And if you think that doesn't make me a "REAL" fan you can kiss my ass.
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Now now settle down Beavis. All Im saying is a few good moments in WOK dont make it the best Star Trek movie IMHO. Also IMHO I just think the new one was a much better movie the entire way through.
Now put your keester away.
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The new one was very good but not as good as TWOK. Better story and better characters in the latter. The new Kirk was good but Shatner pwns in comparison. And Khan mops the floor with that Romulan dude.
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http://www.amazon.com/Shatnerquake-Jeff-Burk/dp/1933929820
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Shatner has never been an actor. His big claim to fame didnt come about until watch wallet gun:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yJ7cfr9Lso
Actually I think he did a pretty good job in Boston Legal.
Definitely his best work.
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The new one was very good but not as good as TWOK. Better story and better characters in the latter. The new Kirk was good but Shatner pwns in comparison. And Khan mops the floor with that Romulan dude.
Well its hard to get anyone to act as poorly as Shatner
Mr Tambourine mannnnnnn!!
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Ok, something else thats bugging the heck out of me, but occurred belatedly- wasn't "Balance of Terror" from TOS the first time anyone had seen a Romulan, and the first clue anyone in Starfleet had that they were related to the Vulcans? So why do they glance over it in the movie like it was no big deal and they'd known it all along? And how did they even know Nero's ship was Romulan? Its not like the ship or weaponry would have been familiar, or like they saw them on the viewscreen and said "Oh, they're Romulans. That makes sense."
:huh :confused: :cry
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Shatner has never been an actor. His big claim to fame didnt come about until watch wallet gun:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yJ7cfr9Lso
Ok, I've never watched the show.... Did this actually happen in the show?? If so, I'm buying the entire DVD set..... :rock
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Ok, something else thats bugging the heck out of me, but occurred belatedly- wasn't "Balance of Terror" from TOS the first time anyone had seen a Romulan, and the first clue anyone in Starfleet had that they were related to the Vulcans? So why do they glance over it in the movie like it was no big deal and they'd known it all along? And how did they even know Nero's ship was Romulan? Its not like the ship or weaponry would have been familiar, or like they saw them on the viewscreen and said "Oh, they're Romulans. That makes sense."
:huh :confused: :cry
The answer to your question is that, the timeline changed! When Nero came through the time warp on the day Kirk was born, this changed the timeline so that the Federation was introduced to Romulans several decades before the events of "Balance of Terror" in the original timeline...
There! Clear as mud? :D
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The answer to your question is that, the timeline changed! When Nero came through the time warp on the day Kirk was born, this changed the timeline so that the Federation was introduced to Romulans several decades before the events of "Balance of Terror" in the original timeline...
There! Clear as mud? :D
No- how did the Kelvin crew- or Starfleet for that matter- know who they were? Its not like they went right to the Romulans and accused them, and the Romulans responded "Oh yeah, he's ours, but he's from 200 years in the future, so we're not responsible for him."
:furious
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The answer to your question is that, the timeline changed! When Nero came through the time warp on the day Kirk was born, this changed the timeline so that the Federation was introduced to Romulans several decades before the events of "Balance of Terror" in the original timeline...
There! Clear as mud? :D
You are incorrect.. The Federation was introduced to Romulans during the Earth/Romulan War (2156-2160).. http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Earth-Romulan_War (http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Earth-Romulan_War)
This is canon and was proposed by Roddenberry himself..
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You are incorrect.. The Federation was introduced to Romulans during the Earth/Romulan War (2156-2160).. http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Earth-Romulan_War (http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Earth-Romulan_War)
This is canon and was proposed by Roddenberry himself..
Yes, but they'd never seen a Romulan until they hacked into the Warbird on "Balance of Terror" and saw through their viewscreen. Remember the whole "shocking" moment when they realised that the Romulan Commander looked an awful lot like Spock (and incidentally, Sarek...)? And the whole thing with the junior officer (I forget his name) going off on Spock because his father or someone had been killed in the Earth-Romulan War?
And theres one heck of a logic jump to see Nero's monstrosity and an early Romulan ship (the one seen in TOS was a new type, remember?) and think they came from the same race.
But I'm not a nerd, really.
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Ok, something else thats bugging the heck out of me, but occurred belatedly- wasn't "Balance of Terror" from TOS the first time anyone had seen a Romulan, and the first clue anyone in Starfleet had that they were related to the Vulcans? So why do they glance over it in the movie like it was no big deal and they'd known it all along? And how did they even know Nero's ship was Romulan? Its not like the ship or weaponry would have been familiar, or like they saw them on the viewscreen and said "Oh, they're Romulans. That makes sense."
:huh :confused: :cry
This is kind of a weird way to explain things, so bare with me....
Earth had a war with the Romulans from 2156-2160... The Federation knew generally what Romulans look like from bodies found in the vicinity(floating in space) following a battle..
Green blood, pointed ears, hostile.... Must be Romulans...
The Federation knew there was some relation between Romulans and Vulcans.. How did they know they were Romulans? Ael spoke with Capt. Robau on the view screen....
With the knowledge of what Romulans looks like (roughly) I think the crew was probably able to extrapolate that these were Romulans..
As far as the Narada, it looks nothing like the Romulan Mining vessel that it should be due to heavy modifications with Borg technology...
This was in the CountDown comic book series preceding the movie as well as lots of other tidbits of info..
Ok, I think my geek stature just went up about 10 notches...
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Yes, but they'd never seen a Romulan until they hacked into the Warbird on "Balance of Terror" and saw through their viewscreen. Remember the whole "shocking" moment when they realised that the Romulan Commander looked an awful lot like Spock (and incidentally, Sarek...)? And the whole thing with the junior officer (I forget his name) going off on Spock because his father or someone had been killed in the Earth-Romulan War?
And theres one heck of a logic jump to see Nero's monstrosity and an early Romulan ship (the one seen in TOS was a new type, remember?) and think they came from the same race.
There's lots of stuff you just sort of have to put together.. Robert Orci and Alex Kurtzman both said they find some of the books to be considered canon as well as what was in the movies and on TV. Some of the info I'm stating here was in books as well as series/movies.
You can't just have a war and not see what the other side's dead look like... Especially if you're fighting in space, you'll have bodies floating around due to explosive decompression of the hull(there were no shields in those days).. The same happens in Naval sea battles.. Makes sense...
There was a definite suspicion (especially after the Earth/Romulan War) that Vulcans and Romulans were related somehow.. When the crew of the Kelvin saw what Ael looked like (on the view screen talking to Capt. Robau) I'm sure it was easy to put two and two together....
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A ship powered by anti-mater would have a pretty big expolosion wouldn't it. Kind of like a nuke going off? I doubt there would be much left of a body to make an identification of it.
Of course I think its been said before, why was Kirk's mother on board the Kelven [pregnant]? This was BEFORE the time anomaly occured. It wasn't untill STNG that families were brought on board the ships due to long voyages.
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Whirling trekkie purse fight! Whirling trekkie purse fight!!!!
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Whirling trekkie purse fight! Whirling trekkie purse fight!!!!
ROFL!!! :rofl
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A ship powered by anti-mater would have a pretty big expolosion wouldn't it. Kind of like a nuke going off? I doubt there would be much left of a body to make an identification of it.
Of course I think its been said before, why was Kirk's mother on board the Kelven [pregnant]? This was BEFORE the time anomaly occured. It wasn't untill STNG that families were brought on board the ships due to long voyages.
During the Earth/Romulan War, Romulan ships were not powered by Anti-Matter and could only reach around Warp 2 for short periods of time before its deuterium stores were depleted..
Romulan ships of that era were Fusion Powered.... The precursor to Starfleet at that time(UE: United Earth) had just started to implement Matter/Antimatter reactors and their ships started
to take ship of the more traditional looking Starfleet vessels.. Romulan ships looked more like big mushrooms with the interior of the vessel housing mostly deuterium..
Weapons of the time were Atomic, Fusion, or conventional based on both sides of the conflict...
To answer your second question: this is just one of those things that violates its own canon throughout the whole Star Trek Saga.... In Balance of Terror, we see Specialist Martine
and Lt. Tomlinson getting married.. Ships are out on patrol or exploration missions for months, even years at a time.. They probably hadn't stopped off at a Starbase in at least 9 months..?
Logical that they would be together... After all, dating isn't forbidden Starship.. Marriage obviously isn't forbidden Starship.. I don't think sex is forbidden on Starship..
Pregnancy will happen..
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Whirling trekkie purse fight! Whirling trekkie purse fight!!!!
:lol
We don't use purses.. We use Bat'leths...
(http://www.bipolarplanet.com/~void/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/batleth.jpg)
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(http://www.starstore.com/acatalog/amok-time-kirk-spock.jpg)
These work better. :D
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Now the body on the green girl was definitely from another planet. :aok
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Dweebs!
Not that I can talk, I keep repeating the scene in 'First Contact' where Picard refuses to blow up the ship, line-for-line. :D
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Ok, I've never watched the show.... Did this actually happen in the show?? If so, I'm buying the entire DVD set..... :rock
Well if you liked that clip. You gotta see this one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71Oo-BjKzCE
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During the Earth/Romulan War, Romulan ships were not powered by Anti-Matter and could only reach around Warp 2 for short periods of time before its deuterium stores were depleted..
Romulan ships of that era were Fusion Powered.... The precursor to Starfleet at that time(UE: United Earth) had just started to implement Matter/Antimatter reactors and their ships started
to take ship of the more traditional looking Starfleet vessels.. Romulan ships looked more like big mushrooms with the interior of the vessel housing mostly deuterium..
Weapons of the time were Atomic, Fusion, or conventional based on both sides of the conflict...
To answer your second question: this is just one of those things that violates its own canon throughout the whole Star Trek Saga.... In Balance of Terror, we see Specialist Martine
and Lt. Tomlinson getting married.. Ships are out on patrol or exploration missions for months, even years at a time.. They probably hadn't stopped off at a Starbase in at least 9 months..?
Logical that they would be together... After all, dating isn't forbidden Starship.. Marriage obviously isn't forbidden Starship.. I don't think sex is forbidden on Starship..
Pregnancy will happen..
Entirely way to much geekyness being shown here. :lol
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Don't make me throw down the gauntlet. :D
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Now the body on the green girl was definitely from another planet. :aok
This is her. Diora Baird
(http://www.pickmeupnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/0428_diora-baird-fhm-04.jpg)
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Dweebs!
Not that I can talk, I keep repeating the scene in 'First Contact' where Picard refuses to blow up the ship, line-for-line. :D
Love that line.... :rock
"The line must be drawn HERE!! NO FURTHER!!" :salute
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Entirely way to much geekyness being shown here. :lol
I agree...... :lol
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Well if you liked that clip. You gotta see this one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71Oo-BjKzCE
Oh elements, I love this!!
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I agree...... :lol
The irony is he's saying this in a thread about Star Trek, on a forum for a game where grown men pretend they're fighter pilots. :D
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The irony is he's saying this in a thread about Star Trek, on a forum for a game where grown men pretend they're fighter pilots. :D
Oh gawd.Another impossible paradox.Where is Spock?
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Oh elements, I love this!!
This one is better.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yJ7cfr9Lso&feature=related
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Love that line.... :rock
"The line must be drawn HERE!! NO FURTHER!!" :salute
"Oh I'm sorry! Captain Ahab has to go, Hunt his whale!"
"What?"
"You do have books in the 24th century...?"
"This is not about revenge"
"Liar!"
"This is about saving the future of humanity!"
"Jean-Luc blow up the Dam* Ship!!"
"No! NOO!" "We've made too many retreats, they invade our space and we fall back, They assimilate entire planets and we fall back." "Not this time, the line must be drawn HERE! NO Further!!"
Been a while since I watched it, so I likely messed up in spots. :)
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We know the Borg can't adapt to physical damage, we've only ever seen it with energy-based weapons. Why don't they ever just replicate a bunch of Tommy Guns (yeah, that was a GREAT scene)?
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We know the Borg can't adapt to physical damage, we've only ever seen it with energy-based weapons. Why don't they ever just replicate a bunch of Tommy Guns (yeah, that was a GREAT scene)?
Awesome scene... Especially when he starts yelling while firing into the Borg....
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Tried to find a YouTube clip, but the only ones of that scene is the "Truffle Shuffle" modification, and some moron that replaced the soundtrack with some other music (I HATE when they screw up clips like that).
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This is her. Diora Baird
(http://www.pickmeupnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/0428_diora-baird-fhm-04.jpg)
Diora Baird did not play in Star Trek; Uhura's roommate, the Orion redhead, was played by Rachel Nichols, who coincidently will be portraying Scarlett in the new G.I. Joe movie this summer.
(http://www.rachelnichols.net/gallery/data/1/rachel_nichols.jpg)
(http://www.rachelnichols.net/gallery/data/643/rachelnichols-dot-net_gijoemovie3.jpg)
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I think Starfleet's chain of command needs a little work after seeing this film. :lol
Good movie overall though.
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Ok, I've never watched the show.... Did this actually happen in the show?? If so, I'm buying the entire DVD set..... :rock
Yes
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I saw it today. I thought the guy playing Kirk over did the bad boy act a bit. Yeah the chain of command thing was really trashed. The main queen of the fleet and the best they can put on it is midshipmen from the academy?!?!?!
Overall, not a bad movie and worth the price of admission, once.
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mccoy was spot on.
best one out of the bunch.
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mccoy was spot on.
best one out of the bunch.
Hells yeah. As soon as he walked onto the shuttle craft and started talking, I turned to my GF (who'd already seen it and convinced me to go see it) and just said "Let me guess- Bones?". He nailed him. :aok
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(http://roflrazzi.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/celebrity-pictures-nimoy-shatner-kelley-good-movie1.jpg)
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I saw it today. I thought the guy playing Kirk over did the bad boy act a bit. Yeah the chain of command thing was really trashed. The main queen of the fleet and the best they can put on it is midshipmen from the academy?!?!?!
Overall, not a bad movie and worth the price of admission, once.
I'm with you.
I think it had a lot of incredible widescreen shots, like when the shuttles were leaving the abandoned ship in the beginning of the film and when the shuttles were heading to the fleet from Earth.
But...
I thought the plot was weak. Captain Nero's revenge was insanely implausible and unjustified. So Spock volunteers to try to help save Romulus with an unproven red matter technology (That apparently you need a giant red sphere of, when a tiny drop will do the trick) and unfortunately fails to help? I don't understand why Nero blames Spock. Spock didn't create the supernova, I didn't see anybody else step up to the plate to try to help. If Spock hadn't tried to help, Romulus would have got destroyed all the same. It would have made more sense for Nero to fly his mining ship to Romulus in the past and warn them about the future. Of course there wouldn't have been a movie then. The whole thing made very little sense.
Does anybody else have a problem with this? Should the audience ignore obvious plot holes for the sake of a fun movie that is created as a result of the plot holes?
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Does anybody else have a problem with this? Should the audience ignore obvious plot holes for the sake of a fun movie that is created as a result of the plot holes?
Hollywoods been doing it for the past 100 years or so, why stop now?
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Given that theory they coulda went back in time and Fixed Khans wagon before it even started.Kirk can go back in time to save wales but not his son? ya cant over think these things :aok
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I'm with you.
I think it had a lot of incredible widescreen shots, like when the shuttles were leaving the abandoned ship in the beginning of the film and when the shuttles were heading to the fleet from Earth.
But...
I thought the plot was weak. Captain Nero's revenge was insanely implausible and unjustified. So Spock volunteers to try to help save Romulus with an unproven red matter technology (That apparently you need a giant red sphere of, when a tiny drop will do the trick) and unfortunately fails to help? I don't understand why Nero blames Spock. Spock didn't create the supernova, I didn't see anybody else step up to the plate to try to help. If Spock hadn't tried to help, Romulus would have got destroyed all the same. It would have made more sense for Nero to fly his mining ship to Romulus in the past and warn them about the future. Of course there wouldn't have been a movie then. The whole thing made very little sense.
Does anybody else have a problem with this? Should the audience ignore obvious plot holes for the sake of a fun movie that is created as a result of the plot holes?
First of all, there is a 4 issue comic book series(Count Down) that sets up the movie(http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Star_Trek:_Countdown (http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Star_Trek:_Countdown)).. All is explained there...
While the movie does not necessitate reading these to know what's going on, certain things make better sense after reading them.... Certain scenes of the film were also cut
to make it stay under 2.5 hours (they'll be included on the DVD as extra scenes or whatever).. Anyhow, there's a fairly good synopsis of the entire 4 issues at the link I provided..
Hopefully it will make a little more sense after reading, but I'm sure there will still be questions..
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I don't see how any possible back story could explain Nero not going to Romulus to warn and prevent the future catastrophe, but instead blaming the entire federation for something that hadn't happened. His love for Romulus is so great that he would want to make everybody pay for its future destruction except not great enough to ACTUALLY use his knowledge to save Romulus. Makes no sense. Must be a very interesting back story if it can explain THAT. :lol I will have to read it.
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It's not that far fetched. Plenty of people will damn and focus their angst against a whole group when one of them has done something seemingly characteristic. IIRC in the movie, Nero says he can do better than change the future.. Just do away with the Federation altogether.
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Given that theory they coulda went back in time and Fixed Khans wagon before it even started.Kirk can go back in time to save wales but not his son? ya cant over think these things :aok
Kirk didn't save Wales. Not even Sean Connery could do that. :)
They definitely could have done with a better story, but it was quite entertaining and even had a half naked green chick. :aok
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It's not that far fetched. Plenty of people will damn and focus their angst against a whole group when one of them has done something seemingly characteristic. IIRC in the movie, Nero says he can do better than change the future.. Just do away with the Federation altogether.
How will that save Romulus? The Federation didn't create the Supernova...
And how is it the Federation's/Spock's fault in the first place?
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How is AIDS the Jews' or homosexuals' fault?
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Why is a duck for that matter.
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How is AIDS the Jews' or homosexuals' fault?
I don't understand this analogy.
I guess anything makes sense because people make zero sense? Only premise that works for me.
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Not just anything. He's an outsider to the federation. That group showed up at his home (while he was out mining or whatever), and totally bungled up their intervention, resulting in the planet being turned to dust. Can you say anti-climax? Blinded by his anger and marooned in the far past, all he has left to feel some kind of satisfaction is killing that fake romulanoid freak Spock, and while he's at it, trashing the Fed unchallenged. No more foreign pukes to screw things up like they did at Romulus in the future-past.
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Nero wasn't trying to save Romulus, though that was a nice crutch for his conscience, and a reasonable excuse for his crew. Nero lost his wife and child on Romulus... He was obsessed with avenging them.
Star Trek has always been about the characters, not the wars and politics, and this movie is no different. This latest Star Trek movie is essential the tale of three men and how their lives and choices define them and affect each other: Kirk, Spock and Nero. The old Spock fails to save Nero's family and everything he lived for. In return Nero for all intents and purposes destroys the old Spock and his world, and creates the new Kirk, who in turn helps the new Spock find his place in the universe and destroy Nero.
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In return Nero for all intents and purposes destroys the old Spock and his world, and creates the new Kirk, who in turn helps the new Spock find his place in the universe and destroy Nero.
And throws out everything the original series was built on. I doubt very much many fans will like the next movie with Bones liking Spock instead of arguing with him or even the fact that Spock is embracing his emotions instead of holding them back.
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I don't see how there isn't room for plenty of fundamental disagreements between Bones and Spock. They barely know each other. Spock still could have plenty of emotional panty-twisting dilemnas. Plenty of powder left in the keg.
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And throws out everything the original series was built on. I doubt very much many fans will like the next movie with Bones liking Spock instead of arguing with him or even the fact that Spock is embracing his emotions instead of holding them back.
Spoken like a true pessimist who hasn't even seen the movie or didn't pay much attention at all while seeing it...
Bones and Spock getting along??? This totally did not happen in the movie at all..
Also, Spock lost his cool several times and showed his emotions in the Original Series.. He's half-human..
Losing his mom, his planet, being half-human.. Yeah, I can understand emotionally compromised....
Also, you say the movie throws out everything that the original series was built on..
So, if you are so adept in knowledge of the original series, do tell what TOS was built on....... :)
I seriously doubt you either know or understand.....
Finally, if I may post 2 particular quotes of Gene Roddenberry himself:
"I would be happy for Star Trek to come along decades later with a new group of minds. I'd love someone to say, 'Besides this one, Gene Roddenberry's was nothing!'" - Gene Roddenberry
"...I think it would be wonderful years from now to see Star Trek come back with an equally talented new cast playing Spock and Kirk and Bones and Scotty and all the rest, as they say tomorrow's things to tomorrow's generations..." - Gene Roddenberry
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How will that save Romulus? The Federation didn't create the Supernova...
And how is it the Federation's/Spock's fault in the first place?
Romulans are Xenophobes. Add this to the fact that Nero watched his planet get destroyed that his wife and unborn child were on as well
as being locked up on the Rura Penthe (The Klingon Prison Planet) for a number of years before being broken out (which was shot but left out of the movie for
run-time reasons) and you've got the recipe for a pretty disgruntled Romulan..
You should never look at movies like this from a literal or logical point of view.. If they were so, they would not be entertaining...
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You should never look at movies like this from a literal or logical point of view.. If they were so, they would not be entertaining...
Emphasized for Vulcanism. :)
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Much like in Pearl Harbor,sometimes you just have to enjoy the movie for what it is and ignore that glaring Aegis cruiser sitting at the docks.
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Spoken like a true pessimist who hasn't even seen the movie or didn't pay much attention at all while seeing it...
Bones and Spock getting along??? This totally did not happen in the movie at all..
Also, Spock lost his cool several times and showed his emotions in the Original Series.. He's half-human..
Losing his mom, his planet, being half-human.. Yeah, I can understand emotionally compromised....
Also, you say the movie throws out everything that the original series was built on..
So, if you are so adept in knowledge of the original series, do tell what TOS was built on....... :)
I seriously doubt you either know or understand.....
Finally, if I may post 2 particular quotes of Gene Roddenberry himself:
"I would be happy for Star Trek to come along decades later with a new group of minds. I'd love someone to say, 'Besides this one, Gene Roddenberry's was nothing!'" - Gene Roddenb
"...I think it would be wonderful years from now to see Star Trek come back with an equally talented new cast playing Spock and Kirk and Bones and Scotty and all the rest, as they say tomorrow's things to tomorrow's generations..." - Gene Roddenberry
I saw it. I saw the scene when McCoy says he really likes this guy. Thats doesn't bode well for the next movie if they aren't continuing that realtionship they had in the original series that everyone loved.
As for Spock losing his cool in the series, yes he did, BUT he always tried to act as if it never happened or have an excuse for it. Thats out the window since it shows him embracing his emotions at the end of the movie.
On Roddenberry, he didn't like how the original series played out with Kirk in the spotlight. He wanted ALL the crew to play equal parts in it as it did in all the other Star Trek series did. Of course they will not be as memeorable as the original because of that, but who cares now that they have wiped the slate clean with this movie.
As for it being a BIG hit, Pearl Harbor made around $450,000,000 million worldwide and many in here consider it garbage. I suppose you think it was a great movie as well.
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Great movie?Hardly.The point I was making is in order to watch a movie for the entertainment factor one has to over look glareing omissions at times. Like the guy shooting an automatic till it runs outta ammo and he still pulls the trigger...and it still keeps on clicking like the hammer is still hitting.
Every movie has its faults.
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For all the quips jabs and out and out insults McCoy and Spock did like each other in TOS.
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For all the quips jabs and out and out insults McCoy and Spock did like each other in TOS.
Everyone knew they would give thier lives for each and were good friends but the would never admit it or show it until the situation became dire.
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I saw it. I saw the scene when McCoy says he really likes this guy. Thats doesn't bode well for the next movie if they aren't continuing that realtionship they had in the original series that everyone loved.
As for Spock losing his cool in the series, yes he did, BUT he always tried to act as if it never happened or have an excuse for it. Thats out the window since it shows him embracing his emotions at the end of the movie.
On Roddenberry, he didn't like how the original series played out with Kirk in the spotlight. He wanted ALL the crew to play equal parts in it as it did in all the other Star Trek series did. Of course they will not be as memeorable as the original because of that, but who cares now that they have wiped the slate clean with this movie.
As for it being a BIG hit, Pearl Harbor made around $450,000,000 million worldwide and many in here consider it garbage. I suppose you think it was a great movie as well.
I will disagree with you on just about every point you made....
1. What part of sarcastic didn't you understand about the scene were Mccoy says he really likes the guy??? This was so obvious.. I'm at a loss as to why you didn't get it.... :huh
2. I can name scene after scene where Spock totally explained why he lost his cool.. Just by the fact you are evening saying this further negates anything you say about TOS..
You don't know the series... Don't act like you do.... :)
3. You are absolutely and totally WRONG (fail) about how Roddenberry wanted to portray the series and not liking how the series progress(where did you pull this info from, hmm?
In the book "The Making of Star Trek" (written in 1968 by Stephen E. Whitfield and Gene Roddenberry himself), Roddenberry states that even from the earliest conception of the show was to have 3 main characters.. Those being the Captain, The 1st Officer, and the Doctor with concentration being centered on the Capt. All had different character names which evolved into the characters we all know so well (Well, maybe you don't know so well). You are utterly and completely lying through your teeth about the characters having equal parts... This was never part of the shows idea...Ever....
Dude, you have no clue what you are talking about when it comes to this stuff.. And to try to make it sound like you with some one who's probably the biggest Trek geek here is only a recipe for failure on your part.. You truly have no idea what you're talking about and you info is totally inaccurate as well as seeming to be entirely made up on your part....
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For all the quips jabs and out and out insults McCoy and Spock did like each other in TOS.
This is a simplistic way of looking at it... It's much more complex than "They did like each other"....
Their relationship was tumultuous in a mellow sort of way.. You can look at Mccoy being Spocks human conscience, more or less...
Of course after Star Trek 2, this all changed due to their shared experience of Spocks Katra living in Mccoy...
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9 out of 10.
Very good movie. If you are a Star Trek freak you will be frightened by the Hollywood approach to this film I assure you, but I think you need to give it a chance, take in a good movie and just go enjoy yourself. She's not the same girl you knew before ok?
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I can name scene after scene where Spock totally explained why he lost his cool.. Just by the fact you are evening saying this further negates anything you say about TOS..
You don't know the series... Don't act like you do.... :)
I grew up watcing the TOS and saw all the movies more than a few times. So tell us where in those shows Spock openly embraced his emotions like he did in the end of this movie?
As for Roddenberry, it was stated that TNG was what he had planned for the TOS to be but NBC wouldn't go for it. Pretty much the reason why TNG movies slowly died out.
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As for Roddenberry, it was stated that TNG was what he had planned for the TOS to be but NBC wouldn't go for it. Pretty much the reason why TNG movies slowly died out.
What killed Star Trek was Berman, Bragga, and over-saturation. They had too many series running together and back-to-back--Jonathan Frakes actually singled this out as a major issue when Enterprise was launched.
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I caught the one reference in the movie that indicated why there could be differences between the original series "future history" and the story line laid out in this movie. This isn't a strict time travel issue but one of alternate universes using the singularity for travel between them. That also explained why no real paradox regarding the two spocks meeting themselves. They are NOT the same spock on a different time line but each from a different universe which is also not on a perfectly congruent timeline. They specifically mentioned the alternate universe situation when discussing the various differences between the Romulan and Vulcan world existences on the bridge. That also explains why Uhura was all over Spock vs the original series.
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That also explains why Uhura was all over Spock vs the original series.
I just assumed it was because this Uhura was hotter to the Nth power, at least IMO.
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I caught the one reference in the movie that indicated why there could be differences between the original series "future history" and the story line laid out in this movie. This isn't a strict time travel issue but one of alternate universes using the singularity for travel between them. That also explained why no real paradox regarding the two spocks meeting themselves. They are NOT the same spock on a different time line but each from a different universe which is also not on a perfectly congruent timeline. They specifically mentioned the alternate universe situation when discussing the various differences between the Romulan and Vulcan world existences on the bridge. That also explains why Uhura was all over Spock vs the original series.
They had episodes dealing with alternate universes and time travel from TOS to Enterprise and the one thing that ALWAYS held true was that the plot had things fixed to preserve the character base at the end. This was simply Abrams way of wiping all that clean so he could make HIS own version of Start Trek. There are those that like it [pretty much those that loved TNG more than TOS] and those that didn't [those that loved TOS but hated TNG].
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They had episodes dealing with alternate universes and time travel from TOS to Enterprise and the one thing that ALWAYS held true was that the plot had things fixed to preserve the character base at the end. This was simply Abrams way of wiping all that clean so he could make HIS own version of Start Trek. There are those that like it [pretty much those that loved TNG more than TOS] and those that didn't [those that loved TOS but hated TNG].
Actually, I loved TOS AND TNG, and I hate the premise of this (put me in the category of those who were ok with DS9, hated Voyager, and refused to watch Enterprise).
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At the end of Amok Time, Spock clearly smiles and is not under the influence of the Ponfar anymore...
As a point of order, he DOES immediately button down his emotions after the initial surprise of seeing Kirk alive.
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The biggest insult for a geek is to be told you don't really know as much about your subject as you think you do.
Bigger than
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCtz4trJr_g#t=2m40s
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Heh, I remember that.
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I was reading this article on slashdot about the "just discovered" "post-traumatic embitterment disorder", and I think I understand super-villians better now.
http://www.latimes.com/features/health/la-he-bitterness25-2009may25,0,4544029.story
I didn't enjoy the movie much BTW. I was expecting more after the enthusiastic reviews.
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Tango, Anodizer, you guys manage to get this thread locked then you both can expect a rather lengthy suspension from the board.
If you cannot post without taking personal shots at each other, then stop posting.
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Tango, Anodizer, you guys manage to get this thread locked then you both can expect a rather lengthy suspension from the board.
If you cannot post without taking personal shots at each other, then stop posting.
SO SAY WE ALL!!!!
On a side note. I watched an interview with nimoy where he said that there were times that he would break down and cry after shooting because of having to "act" without any emotion was a real strain on him
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On a side note. I watched an interview with nimoy where he said that there were times that he would break down and cry after shooting because of having to "act" without any emotion was a real strain on him
They way it looks from the end of this movie, the guy playing Spock shouldn't have to worry about it.