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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: ImADot on June 26, 2009, 08:45:51 AM
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So...was in EW last night. 4-5 of us were taking a small airbase defended by 3-4 of them (some in armor, some in planes). Was a good battle - they'd kill our armor, we'd kill theirs - couple of airplanes up and we kill each other. Town almost down and troops inbound. The airfield was just deacked. Since I never vulch, I thought I'd take a couple minutes and see what the attraction is for those that regularly do it. Killed two planes, took the base a little while later.
What is it about vulching that appeals to those that do it? I thought it was boring and lame; just as I thought it would be. Sure, we were supporting the ground troops but that's not the most fun way to do it. Usually being on the receiving end, I know the frustration and anger it generates. One must really be a pathetic person to regularly take part in vulch fests.
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What is it about vulching that appeals to those that do it?
1. Score boost with little effort for those who care
2. Getting kills for those who otherwise can't shoot anything down.
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1. Score boost with little effort for those who care
2. Getting kills for those who otherwise can't shoot anything down.
Agreed in some situations, but there is sometimes a need to suppress the field by vulching (usually waiting for troops) while trying to take the base. The frustrating one for me is when there is no attempt whatsoever to actually take the field. This can be cured quite easily by simple not upping or my personal favorite, if the VH is up I park a wirble in the middle of the runway. :t
:salute
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What is it about vulching that appeals to those that do it?
Didn't Hitech once say that "Vulching is the reward you get when your side is doing things right." (or something along these lines)
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I confess:
I really enjoy vulching fighters sitting on the ream pad :D
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Didn't Hitech once say that "Vulching is the reward you get when your side is doing things right." (or something along these lines)
More or less in those words. It truly is the sport of kings!
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I'm with you Iamadot
When I get vultched it always kind of ticks me off. You can't be looking for a fight if you don't let the guys get wheels up. You're just looking for the easiest kill. Whenever I'm at a field that has been overrun and the vultch lamp lit, I'll either climbout to the next base or just rtb.
Now I WILL vultch someone if they run for a few sectors because they're too afraid to fight. Then I take much satisfaction in it :devil
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i've done some vulching myself but when a country field is being vulch i'll up from a different base come in high and vulch the vulcher's :devil
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i've done some vulching myself but when a country field is being vulch i'll up from a different base come in high and vulch the vulcher's :devil
Sometimes I come in above the guys who are vulching the vulchers, and vulch them! :lol
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Up against a Horde taking a base is suicide but I have great fun in upping on the Runway and as they zoom in to Vulch I Tower out causing them lost ammo and even score a few kills with the inexperienced as they come straight down the runway in line with my guns.
I have vulched someone who wouldn't fight and dragged me to his ack then as he landed I killed him and got a nasty PM. I Laughed and Laughed as I rtb successfully. Good Fun. :rock
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Sometimes I come in above the guys who are vulching the vulchers, and vulch them! :lol
lmao
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And I thought the vulcher was an endangered species!
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Agreed in some situations, but there is sometimes a need to suppress the field by vulching (usually waiting for troops) while trying to take the base.
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This is possibly the most "OVERUSED" and LAME excuse for vulching :aok Tis easy enough to supress uppers from just outside field gun range!!! <---- (this being the prefered method of getting kills for majority of peeps in AH) :rofl When taking a base IF the gayng will allow uppers to just get wheels up and 200 meters from the edge of the base, you would have far more peeps upping to try and save the base :rofl When the vulch is on most folks stop defending as they see it pointless to try!! So you vulchingayngtards are just limiting your own fun and "score padding" by setting up the vulch in the 1st place :aok
There is a natural cycle to the AH fight, 1 country is getting spanked just off their base untill the fight moves to the other country' base and so on and so on, back and forth we go!! It is when the dolts set up the vulch at 1 of these bases that ruins the natural "ebb and flow" of the Aces High experience!-----> So stop it!
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This is possibly the most "OVERUSED" and LAME excuse for vulching :aok Tis easy enough to supress uppers from just outside field gun range!!! <---- (this being the prefered method of getting kills for majority of peeps in AH) :rofl When taking a base IF the gayng will allow uppers to just get wheels up and 200 meters from the edge of the base, you would have far more peeps upping to try and save the base :rofl When the vulch is on most folks stop defending as they see it pointless to try!! So you vulchingayngtards are just limiting your own fun and "score padding" by setting up the vulch in the 1st place :aok
There is a natural cycle to the AH fight, 1 country is getting spanked just off their base untill the fight moves to the other country' base and so on and so on, back and forth we go!! It is when the dolts set up the vulch at 1 of these bases that ruins the natural "ebb and flow" of the Aces High experience!-----> So stop it!
Vulching is the AH experience!
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This is possibly the most "OVERUSED" and LAME excuse for vulching :aok Tis easy enough to supress uppers from just outside field gun range!!! <---- (this being the prefered method of getting kills for majority of peeps in AH) :rofl When taking a base IF the gayng will allow uppers to just get wheels up and 200 meters from the edge of the base,
Funny, I guess our definitions of vulching are different. I think letting a plane barely getting wheels up 200 meters from the field is vulching. :huh I mean, it doesn't take much more "skill" to pick a plane off barely wheels up than it does sitting on the runway.
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What is it about vulching that appeals to those that do it? I thought it was boring and lame; just as I thought it would be. Sure, we were supporting the ground troops but that's not the most fun way to do it. Usually being on the receiving end, I know the frustration and anger it generates. One must really be a pathetic person to regularly take part in vulch fests.
The only time I would ever vulch is if we get the nuke or a bomber that you have almost no chance of killing it once it gets going. Other than that it just shows a coward in my opinions.
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Funny, I guess our definitions of vulching are different. I think letting a plane barely getting wheels up 200 meters from the field is vulching. :huh I mean, it doesn't take much more "skill" to pick a plane off barely wheels up than it does sitting on the runway.
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Well my point is "often being the one vulched wheels up or not" is I would rather have the opportunity to be minimuly airborne rather than vulched as I spawn! I'm certainly not condoning pickin guys as they barely leave the field! Both of these circumstances are UBER lame but the reality is this is how AH works and if you want to kill me multiple times just let me get airborne at the so called "base of supression" and I will continue to up and pad your score :aok Then I can call you what you are on 200 :D <-- that pleases me and you can pad your score under the guise of "base supression! <-- that pleases you :rock
You see now everyone is happy :aok
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Well my point is "often being the one vulched wheels up or not" is I would rather have the opportunity to be minimuly airborne rather than vulched as I spawn! I'm certainly not condoning pickin guys as they barely leave the field! Both of these circumstances are UBER lame but the reality is this is how AH works and if you want to kill me multiple times just let me get airborne at the so called "base of supression" and I will continue to up and pad your score :aok Then I can call you what you are on 200 :D <-- that pleases me and you can pad your score under the guise of "base supression! <-- that pleases you :rock
You see now everyone is happy :aok
:rofl I agree with you, my point was simply that sometimes it's a needed to take a base wether it be vulching the runway or vulching barely airborn planes. Besides, I can't vulch you, usually I'm one of the dweebs taking off next to you hopelessly trying to get airborn against the vulchmonkeys. :D
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If you find vulching boring then you're doing it wrong.
ack-ack
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Let's see...
One pass, one kill.
One pass, another kill.
Sounds like I did it right...
No challenge, no pleasure, no skill needed.
Nope, I'm still bored. I'll stick to TnB dogfights and metal versus metal GV battles.
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and metal versus metal GV battles.
Unfortunately, nine times out of ten, a GV fight turns into nothing more then spawn camping... Spawn... Boom... Spawn... Boom... Simply vultching from the ground.
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Little easier to get when they got the wheels on the ground, any bullets near the plane will cause damage.. If they get wheels up you actually have to aim.
Either way, its fun. Come from the next base over and try to kill me if you dont like it. Your going to die either way. ;)
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Since I never vulch, I thought I'd take a couple minutes and see what the attraction is for those that regularly do it. Killed two planes, took the base a little while later.
What is it about vulching that appeals to those that do it? I thought it was boring and lame; just as I thought it would be. Sure, we were supporting the ground troops but that's not the most fun way to do it. Usually being on the receiving end, I know the frustration and anger it generates. One must really be a pathetic person to regularly take part in vulch fests.
Are there really serial vulchers? I don't see that much of it. If I'm at a capped field there's usually no uppers anyway. And if my base is capped I'll just go somewhere else, or come in from the next base.
I like this premise though. What's next?
"HOing = DUMB!"
"Bombing & Bailing = Laming"
"Ramming: Not My Cup of Tea"
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Are there really serial vulchers? I don't see that much of it. If I'm at a capped field there's usually no uppers anyway. And if my base is capped I'll just go somewhere else, or come in from the next base.
I like this premise though. What's next?
"HOing = DUMB!"
"Bombing & Bailing = Laming"
"Ramming: Not My Cup of Tea"
Someone will always have something to complain about, even though every situation is easily avoided.
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I enjoy a good vulch every now and again. :D
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I think sometimes it's fun to shoot a rocket at the guy trying to take off.
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I can count my vulch kills on one hand in a year.
I agree its very very boring
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Rocket Vulch = FUN
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:rofl I agree with you, my point was simply that sometimes it's a needed to take a base wether it be vulching the runway or vulching barely airborn planes. Besides, I can't vulch you, usually I'm one of the dweebs taking off next to you hopelessly trying to get airborn against the vulchmonkeys. :D
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> :aok < :salute
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I think sometimes it's fun to shoot a rocket at the guy trying to take off.
Yep, one night Murdr and I vulched a base with our rockets. Only managed a couple of kills but it was really funny seeing Murdr launch a rocket and take out a bomber formation taking off.
Vulching in B-25Hs is also fun, nothing like vulching someone from d2.0 away with the 75mm cannon.
ack-ack
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metal versus metal GV battles.
Is that what you kiddies call spawn camping now?
ack-ack
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metal versus metal GV battles.
I tank a lot Sir. I say very few true tank battles occur. Most of the time it resembles a shooting gallery in favor of one country or the other. Run & gun battles do occur on occasion and when they do they are a hoot!
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Run & gun battles do occur on occasion and when they do they are a hoot!
This is what I was thinking about when I mentioned metal versus metal.
Spawn camping, IMO is just as lame as vulching. As someone said earlier, it's the GV equivalent to it.
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So...was in EW last night. 4-5 of us were taking a small airbase defended by 3-4 of them (some in armor, some in planes). Was a good battle - they'd kill our armor, we'd kill theirs - couple of airplanes up and we kill each other. Town almost down and troops inbound. The airfield was just deacked. Since I never vulch, I thought I'd take a couple minutes and see what the attraction is for those that regularly do it. Killed two planes, took the base a little while later.
What is it about vulching that appeals to those that do it? I thought it was boring and lame; just as I thought it would be. Sure, we were supporting the ground troops but that's not the most fun way to do it. Usually being on the receiving end, I know the frustration and anger it generates. One must really be a pathetic person to regularly take part in vulch fests.
actually, i find vulching somewhat difficult. it seems to me that the ground always jumps in front of me, and i killshoot myself on it. if not that, then one of those damned buildings, or the radio tower ho's me. :furious :x
if not that, then for some ungodly reason, the ground guns shoot me to little itty bitty pieces, and i seem to feel like i look like this :x :x as my aircraft deposits spare parts along the runway for the badguys to use. :noid :noid
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Oh how I wish we had actual 'tank battles' in the MA. All it turns into is spawncamping. The GV situation is strictly the player's fault. 99% of the guys here are too lazy to start a battle. Spawning out and sitting behind a hill is alot easier and alot less time consuming.
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I despise the vulch. I cannot make myself do it, even when my countryment are engaged in it. I'd rather circle and wait for someone to up and take a cheap shot at them while they're on the ground.
That being said, there's one redeeming quality to being vulched.... the anger and frustration you feel when you're vulched repeated by some score hound makes the satisfaction even that much sweeter when you finally do get wheels up, grab a little alt, and then proceed to T&B and shoot his sorry F4U-4 down.
And that's no JOKE, either. :lol
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I despise the vulch. I cannot make myself do it, even when my countryment are engaged in it. I'd rather circle and wait for someone to up and take a cheap shot at them while they're on the ground.
That being said, there's one redeeming quality to being vulched.... the anger and frustration you feel when you're vulched repeated by some score hound makes the satisfaction even that much sweeter when you finally do get wheels up, grab a little alt, and then proceed to T&B and shoot his sorry F4U-4 down.
And that's no JOKE, either. :lol
I like it when I vulch guys like you that think that if they can manage to get wheels up then they'd get their 'revenge' only to end up in the tower just as quickly as when I vulched them.
ack-ack
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Vulching = Encouraging the adversaries to consider which base they take off from in a situation where the security of their base is compromised. :noid
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There's nothing wrong with the occasional vulch-fest. In fact it's a time honored tradition. They even did it in real life for you realism guys.
I get about 3-4 vulch kills per camp. It's fun whacking n00bs who think they can get airborne off a capped field. It's all part of the learning experience.
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I despise the vulch. I cannot make myself do it, even when my countryment are engaged in it. I'd rather circle and wait for someone to up and take a cheap shot at them while they're on the ground.
That being said, there's one redeeming quality to being vulched.... the anger and frustration you feel when you're vulched repeated by some score hound..
Seems like a bit of faux indignation to me. Why keep upping from a base where you are clearly at a disadvantage if it is going to cause you so much 'anger and frustration'.
that much sweeter when you finally do get wheels up, grab a little alt, and then proceed to T&B and shoot his sorry F4U-4 down.
And that's no JOKE, either. :lol
Little melodramatic don't you think?
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I enjoy vulching. :t
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sheesh....you guys take this too seriously :rofl :x
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I'm in the vulching is boring. When it gets to that point, I'd rather fly through the hangers at the enemy base and see how long it takes for the flak to get me.
To each his own however.
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I'm in the vulching is boring. When it gets to that point, I'd rather fly through the hangers at the enemy base and see how long it takes for the flak to get me.
To each his own however.
that was the point of my earlier post. early n, i had tried it in ew. i sucked at it. the things i joked about really did happen. i don't do it. :rofl :aok
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There's nothing wrong with the occasional vulch-fest. In fact it's a time honored tradition. They even did it in real life for you realism guys.
I get about 3-4 vulch kills per camp. It's fun whacking n00bs who think they can get airborne off a capped field. It's all part of the learning experience.
well put baldeagle. I also get a kick out of the runway warriors that FAIL big time to vulch properly. I bet only 1 in 5 vulches in aces high are actually executed to perfection, maybe less.
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I bet only 1 in 5 vulches in aces high are actually executed to perfection, maybe less.
And that is why vulching is being lost as a true art form.
ack-ack
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You gotta love rocket vulches - that still amuses me to this day (I know, I'm childish, and I need to grow up, but there ya go)
Wurzel
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I confess:
I really enjoy vulching fighters sitting on the ream pad :D
with rockets :D
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with rockets :D
nononononono.....akak flys the p38, built with reman parts from my wrecked aircraft, and guppys wrecks.
andddd......he uses TORPEDOS!!!!!!
:x :x :x
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I like it when I vulch guys like you that think that if they can manage to get wheels up then they'd get their 'revenge' only to end up in the tower just as quickly as when I vulched them.
ack-ack
I've gotten my "revenge" a few times, thank ya, albeit not againt you, Sir Ack-Ack. :aok
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I despise the vulch. I cannot make myself do it, even when my countryment are engaged in it. I'd rather circle and wait for someone to up and take a cheap shot at them while they're on the ground.
That being said, there's one redeeming quality to being vulched.... the anger and frustration you feel when you're vulched repeated by some score hound..
Seems like a bit of faux indignation to me. Why keep upping from a base where you are clearly at a disadvantage if it is going to cause you so much 'anger and frustration'.
Just dumb and stubborn, I suppose. :)
Mostly, 1) I don't care about my score, 2) I don't want to fly 10 minutes to get back int he fight, and 3) it's an extra reward to finally get off the runway and actually fight back successfully.
And of course it's only truly cartoon 'anger and frustration' being as we're all cartoon pilots...
But mostly dumb and stubborn.
that much sweeter when you finally do get wheels up, grab a little alt, and then proceed to T&B and shoot his sorry F4U-4 down.
And that's no JOKE, either.
Little melodramatic don't you think?
You missed the hidden gem, there. Sorry.
That all being said, I still do not, and will not, vulch a runway. :salute
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I get about 3-4 vulch kills per camp. It's fun whacking n00bs who think they can get airborne off a capped field. It's all part of the learning experience.
The thing I just don't get is: what's so fun about shooting helpless planes? I might be able to understand that this might be the only way a raw noob can get a kill and it makes him/her feel better, but I can't see what it is about vulching that would make any of you vets feel good.
Do you get a kick out of shooting at the .target bullseye too?
- oldman
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I just like shooting rockets - if you see some whizzin by in a furball, its probably me lol.......(I keep forgetting to switch back to guns is the main problem), and I dont consider myself anywhere near a vet, being as I'm so easy to kill lol.... ;)
Wurzel
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i like to vulch myself idk y but when one of our fields is being vulched(light to medium vulch) i de-vulch it :devil
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The thing I just don't get is: what's so fun about shooting helpless planes? I might be able to understand that this might be the only way a raw noob can get a kill and it makes him/her feel better, but I can't see what it is about vulching that would make any of you vets feel good.
Do you get a kick out of shooting at the .target bullseye too?
- oldman
I guess it's no different than shooting or bombing helpless GV's or bombing or straffing helpless buildings either. It's all just part of the game.
By your reasoning I should let the planes off the runway to kill our M3's or Goons? Or let one then another then another up until we lose cap? Next time I'm in a tank I guess I should let the M3 get to the maproom and let his troops out because for all intents and purposes he's undefended against me?
Please... I'm all for a good fight but there's a time and a place for everything in this game.
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He's saying vulching for vulching's sake.
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I won't go out of my way to vulch but I hate flying 25 miles to a fight only to have the fight die because someone killed the FH at the field. When that does happen, I'll keep myself busy killing bombers until the FH comes back up. Usually then, I'll back away and allow them to up.
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He's saying vulching for vulching's sake.
I don't do that. I do it because there's a goon or an M3 on the way or there will be shortly or at least I hope there will be. Plus that I'm almost always in fighter mode, rarely in attack, so surpressing the field is more appropriate than straffing buildings for me.
I mean really... 3-4 vulch kills per camp out of hundreds?... whoohoo! I'm a vuching maniac! <EDITED OUT>
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If you find vulching boring then you're doing it wrong.
ack-ack
Try it with a B25H. Its fun to watch that 75mm fly for a second or two while the guy on the runway is rolling right into it.
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The thing I just don't get is: what's so fun about shooting helpless planes? I might be able to understand that this might be the only way a raw noob can get a kill and it makes him/her feel better, but I can't see what it is about vulching that would make any of you vets feel good.
Do you get a kick out of shooting at the .target bullseye too?
- oldman
I guess for me it goes back to my first days in Airwarrior. I quickly learned that the guys with the high scores spent all their time vulching. it was the old VoD bit. There was little respect for those guys within the game and it was certainly passed on to me as a then newbie that it was not the way to play the game and meant nothing.
I've never really gotten past that, nor do I want to. It's pointless to me. Again to each his own. Base taking seems pointless to me too so clearly I lack imagination :)
A few of us 80th types uppped light B25s to go dogfight in, going on the deck to the nearest field. Folks were PMing guys telling us how terrible we were as we couldn't even knock out the radar. LOL we weren't trying, we were just doing dumb stuff as we're apt to do.
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Schadenfreude.
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I am in total agreement with Moot!!!
TA RA RA BOOM C A
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I guess for me it goes back to my first days in Airwarrior. I quickly learned that the guys with the high scores spent all their time vulching. it was the old VoD bit. There was little respect for those guys within the game and it was certainly passed on to me as a then newbie that it was not the way to play the game and meant nothing.
I've never really gotten past that, nor do I want to. It's pointless to me. Again to each his own. Base taking seems pointless to me too so clearly I lack imagination :)
A few of us 80th types uppped light B25s to go dogfight in, going on the deck to the nearest field. Folks were PMing guys telling us how terrible we were as we couldn't even knock out the radar. LOL we weren't trying, we were just doing dumb stuff as we're apt to do.
KNOW WHAT USED TO BE REALLY fun in the rr arenas?
when i was bored, me and a friend would de-ack the field, and land. we'd sit right behind the spawn, and wait. got a lot as they spawned. then when the ack came back up, it'd be a panic to get outta dodge before death. :rofl :rofl :rofl
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Of two things in life I am certain. Bacon tastes good, and vulching is fun.
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Of two things in life I am certain. Bacon tastes good, and vulching is fun.
not when the auto ack ho's ya it isn't. :rofl
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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v672/whitedove03/vulcher.gif) :devil
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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v672/whitedove03/vulcher.gif) :devil
momma dun told meeee........ehuehuehu
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This is possibly the most "OVERUSED" and LAME excuse for vulching :aok Tis easy enough to supress uppers from just outside field gun range!!! <---- (this being the prefered method of getting kills for majority of peeps in AH) :rofl When taking a base IF the gayng will allow uppers to just get wheels up and 200 meters from the edge of the base, you would have far more peeps upping to try and save the base :rofl When the vulch is on most folks stop defending as they see it pointless to try!! So you vulchingayngtards are just limiting your own fun and "score padding" by setting up the vulch in the 1st place :aok
There is a natural cycle to the AH fight, 1 country is getting spanked just off their base untill the fight moves to the other country' base and so on and so on, back and forth we go!! It is when the dolts set up the vulch at 1 of these bases that ruins the natural "ebb and flow" of the Aces High experience!-----> So stop it!
Vulching is only a tad more pathetic than picking...oh ya, forgot who I was talking to :lol
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vulching is fun i have to admit
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either way what grips me about vulching is the 200 chat afterwards, like "i pwnd you big time" as I get shot starting my engine LOL. or
as someone said, u r just upping
and a fighter (p38) is at 1,000 screaming in at u at 300mph and you turn back to ack for cover cause you are at 200' and 170 mph, and they say on 200, u got yur but kicked etc. or so and so ran back to his ack.
to try and gain an advantage is the whole point, I would think.
I guess it is really the 200 rub your nose in it bravado that I could do with out. If the lamp is lit, i just go somewhere else. sometimes I watch from tower and scud run flat (when the way is clear) out at 5 feet to climb up farther out
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wow this is great stuff guys...
i know some of you that are all saying you never vulch or that you think its cheap or that it lacks ethics...LMMFAO
when i am at a capped base and the tard is stupid enough to try to up....hes dead! and most of the time i cant even get in for the kill cause
a lot of you so called :i never do that: guys are sending tracers through my plane just to get one more kill.
GET REAL folks. if your trying to capture a base your really gonna let the guy get wheels up so he has a fighting chance?
I doubt it very much but you all just keep riding that tiny life raft of BS and say you would never ever do that cause your such good people and all.
I am not confused at all that if i up from a capped field i may be vulched so most of the time i choose not to do it. does it anger me when i get vulched....yep but i am responsible for that.
i would bet the author of this thread spends a lot of time getting vulched trying to save already lost bases.
Flame away......
froger
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What I like is when you try to up from a capped base, start the engine and the wheels just start to roll and then someone in the tower gives you the inevitable check 6 like there's some magic move your going to make to avoid getting vulched.
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Vulching to prevent any uppers to go for the goon, yeah I'll do it. I hate hearing people complain about the goon getting shot down.
If I'm not capturing a base I won't vulch, mainly because the ack is deadly and its not worth it.
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What I like is when you try to up from a capped base, start the engine and the wheels just start to roll and then someone in the tower gives you the inevitable check 6 like there's some magic move your going to make to avoid getting vulched.
I'd rather get it than not. You can always smash the plane to a stop in a hurry, or fly thru a hangar if the vulcher's got no cannons.
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Not boring to me.
I don’t care about my score, but I vulch in a heart beat and enjoy it very much. It is how I get most of my kills. :D
Unfortunately I usually I do a nose plant and the guy I was trying to vulch gets a kill without getting lifting his wheels. :aok
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I like vulching with rockets! :aok
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i would bet the author of this thread spends a lot of time getting vulched trying to save already lost bases.
Nope. I look around from the tower to see what might be out there; maybe I get vulched, maybe not. If there's more than one circling I usually go elsewhere. I don't give two hoots about saving/taking bases. I up because I like to fight - air or ground. I actually enjoy defending more than taking, cuz I don't have to go far to get to the fight. Defending a base that's a lost cause, to me, is much the same as any other base - there's a fight to be had.
If there's a swarm of red guys and I'm the only green guy, then I'll move on...no sense in upping just to have 4+ guys drop on you while more are at the town dropping 20 troops, and letting them pad their scores and get all "We r teh l337...you couldn't stop us."
It's a blast to log in, see 8 guys pound a country with nobody defending, switch to that side and eff them up cuz they weren't expecting any resistance.
The point of my OP was just to share that I found vulching to be boring, because there is no skill or effort needed - no fight to be had.
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I up to be vultched all the time. I usally manage to take out a few planes and keep the preocupied form town.
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Vulchin' the same guys who up a B-25h and drive around on the ground to kill GV's can be quite rewarding. :D
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wow this is great stuff guys...
i know some of you that are all saying you never vulch or that you think its cheap or that it lacks ethics...LMMFAO
when i am at a capped base and the tard is stupid enough to try to up....hes dead! and most of the time i cant even get in for the kill cause
a lot of you so called :i never do that: guys are sending tracers through my plane just to get one more kill.
GET REAL folks. if your trying to capture a base your really gonna let the guy get wheels up so he has a fighting chance?
I doubt it very much but you all just keep riding that tiny life raft of BS and say you would never ever do that cause your such good people and all.
I am not confused at all that if i up from a capped field i may be vulched so most of the time i choose not to do it. does it anger me when i get vulched....yep but i am responsible for that.
i would bet the author of this thread spends a lot of time getting vulched trying to save already lost bases.
M'kay, you may think it's a "tiny life raft of BS," but it's my life raft and my $15. It's not a matter of anyone being "good people" but truly a matter of trying to maintain a level of "good game play." As far as I'm concerned, vulching is no less chickens#!t than HOing. You opinions may differ. More power to ya. Here's your cookie. :lol
FWIW, I've been vulched plenty. In 100% of the cases it's my fault because I chose to try and up. Just like it's 100% the fault of the person who gets HO'ed for allowing themselves into a nose-nose with a HOer.
But whatever, it's part of the game. I'm not losing any sleep over it. Wait... actually, I would sleep a lot more if I weren't up playing this @#&^ game!
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One of the coolest things I have ever seen in this game was a monstrous furball over a field... There must have been 50+ attackers and 50+ defenders going at it. Flak panzers, guns, tracers everywhere. You'd fly low and fast through it aiming to clear a friend, and if you were lined up to take a shot at one on the runway en route, why not? It was like attacking the death star or something :D I wish I filmed that flight.
So no, vulching is not "always" boring (I do think the 3 guys all picking on 1 at an isolated field gets old quick).
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One of the coolest things I have ever seen in this game was a monstrous furball over a field... There must have been 50+ attackers and 50+ defenders going at it. Flak panzers, guns, tracers everywhere. You'd fly low and fast through it aiming to clear a friend, and if you were lined up to take a shot at one on the runway en route, why not? It was like attacking the death star or something :D I wish I filmed that flight.
So no, vulching is not "always" boring (I do think the 3 guys all picking on 1 at an isolated field gets old quick).
Sounds like an awesome fight - the kind of furball I live for an often wind up getting repeatedly killed in. My point is a great furball like that would never have been able to develop if the defenders never made it out of the hanger. Too bad the guys who live to take bases and seem scared of a furball go straight to toolshedding and take out the VH and/or FH so they can have 20:1 odds in their favor and no flak threat. Cause, you know, 20:1 hording is what it's all about. :huh
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vulching is lame, but it is part of AH, don't want to be vulched up from a different field,
me I have vulched, but not very often, I love the fight, there is no fight in the "vulch" and I very rarely get vulched (anymore :rofl)
if someone is trying to take a field (lame also) vulch away.
me I love the "fight" thats why I always fly towards the biggest red dar i can find, with the least amount of green guys, I am guaranteed a "fight".
my $.02
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Sounds like an awesome fight - the kind of furball I live for an often wind up getting repeatedly killed in. My point is a great furball like that would never have been able to develop if the defenders never made it out of the hanger. Too bad the guys who live to take bases and seem scared of a furball go straight to toolshedding and take out the VH and/or FH so they can have 20:1 odds in their favor and no flak threat. Cause, you know, 20:1 hording is what it's all about. :huh
I think I gave away at least a half dozen kills last night, maybe more, from upping at a capped field. We had ground support, but there weren't too many people willing to up an airplane.
I kept thinking that if about 5 more people consistently tried, we'd have a fun little fight in about 3 minutes.
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M'kay, you may think it's a "tiny life raft of BS," but it's my life raft and my $15. It's not a matter of anyone being "good people" but truly a matter of trying to maintain a level of "good game play." As far as I'm concerned, vulching is no less chickens#!t than HOing. You opinions may differ. More power to ya. Here's your cookie. :lol
FWIW, I've been vulched plenty. In 100% of the cases it's my fault because I chose to try and up. Just like it's 100% the fault of the person who gets HO'ed for allowing themselves into a nose-nose with a HOer.
But whatever, it's part of the game. I'm not losing any sleep over it. Wait... actually, I would sleep a lot more if I weren't up playing this @#&^ game!
I hear Target is having a sale on BS life rafts this week....
Your right ....it is my coin i spend so watch me vultch and HO all day long. I like a good fight as much as the next guy but the so called purest in the game don't fly around with there names painted on the side of the plane so I'M just supposed to assume that while entering the merge, there will be a purist at the other end? when i merge
and pull up , go over the top and we are nose to nose i am gonna take the shot. if you end up a flying pile of rubble,
so be it. you wanna call the HOing....well ok, fine by me. in fact i think i would pay double for the pleasure of getting PMd by all the tards that scream about getting HOd.
As for the vultch.....It's just plain fun but if you don't want to do it.....than don't
Really.... the most fun is clipping a plane on the rearm pad <----------- :cry
I see footage of WW2 A/C vultching planes on the ground almost every night on the military channel. Pony's used to loiter 262 air fields to vultch them upon landing.
I don't know bro..... looks like they be havin some fun there...
Cmon.....live it up folks!!!
froger
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So...was in EW last night. 4-5 of us were taking a small airbase defended by 3-4 of them (some in armor, some in planes). Was a good battle - they'd kill our armor, we'd kill theirs - couple of airplanes up and we kill each other. Town almost down and troops inbound. The airfield was just deacked. Since I never vulch, I thought I'd take a couple minutes and see what the attraction is for those that regularly do it. Killed two planes, took the base a little while later.
What is it about vulching that appeals to those that do it? I thought it was boring and lame; just as I thought it would be. Sure, we were supporting the ground troops but that's not the most fun way to do it. Usually being on the receiving end, I know the frustration and anger it generates. One must really be a pathetic person to regularly take part in vulch fests.
i'm sure vulching is boring in EW. since the opposition consist of only 8 players(4 are sitting in the tower in a far away airfield).
in LW. a grueling fight to supress the air defense. after many sorties you finally have a mob of friendlies over a deacked field. you, still in your blood lust state of mind know you have to stop every plane from reaching the LVT/C47 because the buildings will resurrect any at moment. vulching is sometimes a necessity for a capture. it's not something you just do on a whim because "The airfield was just deacked"
i do see where you're coming from though because you are pretty much purely an early war pilot. i wouldn't vulch either if i only had one decent A2A fight every two hours.
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Nope. I look around from the tower to see what might be out there; maybe I get vulched, maybe not. If there's more than one circling I usually go elsewhere. I don't give two hoots about saving/taking bases. I up because I like to fight - air or ground. I actually enjoy defending more than taking, cuz I don't have to go far to get to the fight. Defending a base that's a lost cause, to me, is much the same as any other base - there's a fight to be had.
If there's a swarm of red guys and I'm the only green guy, then I'll move on...no sense in upping just to have 4+ guys drop on you while more are at the town dropping 20 troops, and letting them pad their scores and get all "We r teh l337...you couldn't stop us."
4 red guys = a swarm? :lol
you put yourself on the receiving end more than not and it's understandable why you dislike the vulch. nobody likes to get shot down.
ever thought the vulcher doesn't care for vulching either? perhaps he enjoys capturing bases. maybe he would rather have you watching from the tower then trying to stop the capture.
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ever thought the vulcher doesn't care for vulching either? perhaps he enjoys capturing bases. maybe he would rather have you watching from the tower then trying to stop the capture.
if he didn't enjoy it, he wouldn't do it. :aok
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you put yourself on the receiving end more than not and it's understandable why you dislike the vulch.
I'm not sure where I said that I put myself on the receiving end of a vulch more often than not and that's why I started this post.
All I'm saying is that I took 5 minutes and tried the vulch to see why everyone's so enthralled with it. Found out exactly what I thought: vulching isn't my thing. I don't care if others like it. Don't read more into my post than I put in it.
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My opinion doesn't matter in these types of discussions.
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Getting vulched is an act of stupidity. For some, it's a temporary lapse. For others, it's not.
Vulching is an act of natural selection. In this virtual world, for $15/month, the stupid survive to do stupid again.
HONK!
Gooss
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If you find vulching boring then you're doing it wrong.
ack-ack
:aok Absolutely. They must not be setting the bar high enough. Rocket vulch from outside of icon range...check. Rocket vulch on two planes taking off from different runways with one rocket...check (ya got to catch them at the runway intersection) :) They're just not being creative enough.
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My fav is the vulch a moment before you fly thru their hangar spawn at full speed.
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My fav is the vulch a moment before you fly thru their hangar spawn at full speed.
Only for tater dweebs. Bombers pilots dont always get the instant explosion needed to avoid the collision. :D
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Your right ....it is my coin i spend so watch me vultch and HO all day long. I like a good fight as much as the next guy but the so called purest in the game don't fly around with there names painted on the side of the plane so I'M just supposed to assume that while entering the merge, there will be a purist at the other end? when i merge
and pull up , go over the top and we are nose to nose i am gonna take the shot. if you end up a flying pile of rubble,
so be it. you wanna call the HOing....well ok, fine by me. in fact i think i would pay double for the pleasure of getting PMd by all the tards that scream about getting HOd.
Well, for one, if you pull up and over the top after initial merge, and wind up nose-to-nose, IMO you're free to squeeze... As far as I'm concerned, and my practice of habit, is I usually don't fire on initial merge (unless fired upon or ganged), after that it's game on. Second merge? Go for it. And you're right, you don't know who is in that other bird coming in nose-to-nose. That's why I try to avoid being in that position if possible, because I never know when it's gonna be a good stick with class, or whether it's gonna be a HOing loser dweeb. :)
As for the vultch.....It's just plain fun but if you don't want to do it.....than don't
Really.... the most fun is clipping a plane on the rearm pad <----------- :cry
You'll be happy to learn I quit giving a flying frack about my moral high ground on vulching, and strafed the p!$$ out of a field today. :lol
I see footage of WW2 A/C vultching planes on the ground almost every night on the military channel. Pony's used to loiter 262 air fields to vultch them upon landing.
I don't know bro..... looks like they be havin some fun there...
real life war =/ game
I KNOW I KNOW I KNOW since they did it in WWII, we should do it in AHII!! When you bail near an enemy base and are captured, you have to go to a POW camp 'til the map resets!! YAY!! That would be fun!! :rolleyes:
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real life war =/ game
I KNOW I KNOW I KNOW since they did it in WWII, we should do it in AHII!! When you bail near an enemy base and are captured, you have to go to a POW camp 'til the map resets!! YAY!! That would be fun!! :rolleyes:
Don't forget when they die they have to cancel their account permanently. Wow... reality, what a concept. NANU NANU :aok Shasbot
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Well, for one, if you pull up and over the top after initial merge, and wind up nose-to-nose, IMO you're free to squeeze... As far as I'm concerned, and my practice of habit, is I usually don't fire on initial merge (unless fired upon or ganged), after that it's game on. Second merge? Go for it. And you're right, you don't know who is in that other bird coming in nose-to-nose. That's why I try to avoid being in that position if possible, because I never know when it's gonna be a good stick with class, or whether it's gonna be a HOing loser dweeb. :)
You'll be happy to learn I quit giving a flying frack about my moral high ground on vulching, and strafed the p!$$ out of a field today. :lol
real life war =/ game
I KNOW I KNOW I KNOW since they did it in WWII, we should do it in AHII!! When you bail near an enemy base and are captured, you have to go to a POW camp 'til the map resets!! YAY!! That would be fun!! :rolleyes:
>>S<<
froger
:rock
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I dont do much vulching myself (always get a sudden attack of lawndart syndrome) and its only recently Ive decided Ill no longer up from a capped field, despite my very british taste for lost causes.
Theres no point giving away free kills, so to this end Ive put a post it note on my screen:
"DON'T FEED THE VULCHERS!"
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I never liked the vulching, however, when I still flew I sometimes happened to be at the right time and place to land a few 100lbs bombs on the runway where the unlucky were spawning :D
Very gratifying when doing so from 20k in a B-17
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I have definately noticed a trend recently by some squads to set up field for vulch early in tour with no intent of taking field. The purpose it would seem is to drive up squad scores. Get them by themselves and they are generally easy pickins tho. I like to come in from another field and catch them on the way home to land thier "kills". Not that is fun. :aok
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Who would you say is the Number 1 vulch squad in each country?
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Who would you say is the Number 1 vulch squad in each country?
Answering that will most likely get this thread locked.......... besides there are several.
But to each his own.
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Who would you say is the Number 1 vulch squad in each country?
The answer to this question would take this thread nowhere real fast Sir.
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In the Immortal Words (and illistrations) of DokGonzo...
http://www.gonzoville.com/gallery/?file=Motivators%2Fvultching2.jpg (http://www.gonzoville.com/gallery/?file=Motivators%2Fvultching2.jpg)
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Who would you say is the Number 1 vulch squad in each country?
The whole vulching discussion turns into a meatball throwing flame fest everywhere you go.
I/JG27 could end up being #1 for Knights...try to up from a capped field and you will probably get vulched...for that matter, if anyone is dumb enough to try and fly out of a capped field, they're asking for it.
As for real life vs virtual world...there are always limits to the amount of reality people are willing to deal with...the majority of people in flight sims want as much reality as they can get...if that means associating certain tactics as legitimate because it was done in real life...it doesn't deserve a flame post in reply...I'm sure if you actually lost your life when you die in the game, there wouldn't be as many people playing it and those that do wouldn't be very eager to leave the hangar.
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I've never been a "good vulcher" (although some people will atest to that). If I vulch I have a good reason too, firstly, I helped deack the feild, take out town and such. When we are tring to take a base, that will be when you see me vulch. I honestly like "Air Vulching" better. Squaddie name it because your killing people low and slow.
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It depends on how you see and play the game. Some people just like the fight of combat simulators, some people like the whole picture of taking bases and winning a war, I would think most are somewhere in the middle.
Like it or not, vulching is an effective tactic at keeping the area clear of enemies to take a base. I can understand that it gets annoying when people aren't even working on the town, just looking for an easy kill but what good comes from whining about it.
If you don't like the vulching going on at a base 1) don't take off from that base or 2) stop whining and find a way to break the vulch.
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If I vulch I have a good reason too,
Me too.....My good reason is "they were there and I could get away with it" :devil That's as deep as it gets :)
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Me too.....My good reason is "they were there and I could get away with it" :devil That's as deep as it gets :)
Well. If Murdr feels this way, then I give up.
- oldman
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Me too.....My good reason is "they were there and I could get away with it" :devil That's as deep as it gets :)
I'd also like to add that it also pisses the other guy off, which in my book is a very good reason to vulch.
ack-ack
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Well. If Murdr feels this way, then I give up.
- oldman
The problem I have with it, is the guys saying 'well if you up from a capped field, then you are asking for it."
I question what they are doing hanging over a field just waiting for a vulch. I'm hard pressed to believe that the vets in particular, haven't gotten further then this in their thinking. "I do it because I can" doesn't say much to me about the caliber of the player doing the vulching.
If that's the mentality, then folks better stop griping about bomber pilots dive bombing hangers etc. And if it's to get your name in lights for landing 10 'kills', I feel sorry for ya too.
What an absolute waste of time if you aren't going to challenge yourself to be a better cartoon pilot. And if you don't want to 'fight' against other players, what's the point.
At least the guys trying to get up from those fields are attempting to fight. I've got a lot more respect for those guys.
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I rarely find the opportunty to vulch so infrequently that its a shock to my system and I auger. Vulching can be fun, I don't look for them, but if they happen I try to get in on the action, depending on the circumstance. If my side is trying to take the field for some reason, ill vulch a bit to keep em down. But if we re not there for capture, let em up and fight.
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The problem I have with it, is the guys saying 'well if you up from a capped field, then you are asking for it."
I question what they are doing hanging over a field just waiting for a vulch. I'm hard pressed to believe that the vets in particular, haven't gotten further then this in their thinking. "I do it because I can" doesn't say much to me about the caliber of the player doing the vulching.
I don't know how it works in AH but, if your team is trying to take over a field, the fighters who are flying cap should be there for 2 reasons...1 to suppress enemy activity over or on the field and allow the bombers to do their jobs...2 to repel enemy counter attack...until the field is taken.
Pretty simple military tactical strategy for victory.
Otherwise, if the field isn't under attack to be taken over, then yeah...it's just someone waiting for a vulch.
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Victory?
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The guys that up from the capped field need the vulcher as much as the vulcher needs them, upping from a capped field is acceptable in that I get what I want which is instant action a challange and the enemy coming to me rather than me chasing after them, in a lot of ways I don't have the patience for certain aspects of Aces High. The vulcher gets what they want out of it constant kills score and wtgs. I used to do a lot of preachy 200 ranting against it but people like me cause it and need it to get what they want out of the game. :rock
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Victory?
He meant cartoon do-over :)
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What is it about vulching that appeals to those that do it?
Sometimes it's fun to shoot sitting duckies, never as much fun as shooting the flying ones.
You'll have to ask pacerr if you want a true answer from someone who only shoots sitting duckies.
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Methinks a vulch is the typical and normally necessary endgame to an Air Superiority struggle. Fights seem to start high in the middle, drop low in middle and migrate towards losing side due to numbers or sheer awesomeness of the winning side. Just part of the cycle. I also think that upping during an air raid is somewhat unrealistic (given the human condition) unless your name is Saburo Sakai. LOAC would be cool with a vulch. (I always let them get up, never on rwy) It is rather annoying to see one side vulch for a half hour and simply leave without taking the base. It demeans the efforts of the losers as well as the winners. At least let your opponent's death have some meaning--it's akin to walking into the forest, shooting 20 bucks and simply walking out...
:salute
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--it's akin to walking into the forest, shooting 20 bucks and simply walking out...
Last time I was in Vegas, I shot a hundred bucks and walked out.
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I just can't figure out the lead on a plane sitting still on the tarmac. Any pointers? :noid
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I just can't figure out the lead on a plane sitting still on the tarmac. Any pointers? :noid
i know of one that we could ask for the lead on a deadstick 38j landing. he was pounding the poop outta me...and was so focused on me, that he got himself killed. :rofl :rofl
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Well. If Murdr feels this way, then I give up.
- oldman
I've shared this outlook on the subject since before AH existed. (http://www.mediafire.com/?jd1453zqmjx)
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I've shared this outlook on the subject since before AH existed. (http://www.mediafire.com/?jd1453zqmjx)
:lol Isn''t that HT talking? :rofl :aok
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Isn''t that HT talking?
Yes........
Vulch = Fun :x
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I tried to vulch a tree once after i saw him ho a squaddie. he got me too. :rofl :noid :rofl
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Here's my question:
I'm pretty sure during WWII a pilot wouldn't get a kill for shooting a sitting plane on the tarmac, with no pilot. Would he get one for shooting a taxing aircraft or one on the runway?
I'm just curious where the line is, as that could be applied to gameplay. If a player didn't get credit for killing an aircraft with wheels still on the ground it would separate those who vulch for tactical reason and those that vulch for kills.
Just a thought I had, otherwise I'm just fine with the way it works now.
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i tried to vulch an m3 the other night. his wingman the tree got me. :rofl :rofl
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Tree that got me LAUGHED!!
I "reprorted" it for rude/insulting laughter but HTC laughed too!
The entire Tree Squad should be turned into tooth picks eh! :D
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Match sticks man. That way they burn.
I say we all have a vendetta against trees now. they must pay for what they have done to CAP1. He is just one of may victims (the entire population of our animated cartoon world). Just another reason we should get incendiaries.
I'm just curious where the line is, as that could be applied to gameplay. If a player didn't get credit for killing an aircraft with wheels still on the ground it would separate those who vulch for tactical reason and those that vulch for kills.
The ONLY time I vulch is if it is a 262 or something that will totally own the rest of us, if they try to up 30 fighters or a large group of bombers.
Oh, and does that question imply you are fine with tactical vulching? Just curious.
Oh, and for me, the line is once it's 500ft off the ground it's fair game. Or if it's a gv then once the driver has time to get his bearings and starts to, well...operate at a level of something other then "where the f**k am I?".
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I'm pretty sure during WWII a pilot wouldn't get a kill for shooting a sitting plane on the tarmac, with no pilot.
Each country had a slightly different set of rules for claiming an enemy aircraft "kill". The U.S. wasn't a furballer nation :lol its target was to destroy the Luftwaffe. To do so it targeted German airfields with fighters. U.S. commands also credited aircraft destroyed on the ground as equal to aerial victories.
Cavalry
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Nothing against my country but that shouldn't have counted as an areial kill. maby something on the order of destroying an AA gun or a gv.
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Nothing against my country but that shouldn't have counted as an areial kill. maby something on the order of destroying an AA gun or a gv.
The notion was to encourage pilots to shoot up German planes, wherever they found them. It worked very well. Note also that statistically it was far more dangerous to strafe an unmanned plane on a German airfield than it was to fight a manned one in the sky.
- oldman
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An AA gun or GV wasn't going to fly off the ground if left unstrafed.
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The notion was to encourage pilots to shoot up German planes, wherever they found them. It worked very well. Note also that statistically it was far more dangerous to strafe an unmanned plane on a German airfield than it was to fight a manned one in the sky.
This is spot on. :aok
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Match sticks man. That way they burn.
I say we all have a vendetta against trees now. they must pay for what they have done to CAP1. He is just one of may victims (the entire population of our animated cartoon world). Just another reason we should get incendiaries.
The ONLY time I vulch is if it is a 262 or something that will totally own the rest of us, if they try to up 30 fighters or a large group of bombers.
Oh, and does that question imply you are fine with tactical vulching? Just curious.
Oh, and for me, the line is once it's 500ft off the ground it's fair game. Or if it's a gv then once the driver has time to get his bearings and starts to, well...operate at a level of something other then "where the f**k am I?".
they seem impervious to matches dude!! i tried last night. i had to bail outta my 38j, as she couldn't maintain flight anymore. i opened my chute, and upon seeing bunches of trees below me, i holstered my 45, and pulled out a matchbook.
as soon as i was on the ground, i kept trying to lite them off. nothing. they just waved at me in the breeze, and i thought i heard one of em laugh at me too.
this pissed me off, so i went to the nearby base that was about to be captured, and shot some badguy troops that were threatening our maproom. :D :noid
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The notion was to encourage pilots to shoot up German planes, wherever they found them. It worked very well. Note also that statistically it was far more dangerous to strafe an unmanned plane on a German airfield than it was to fight a manned one in the sky.
- oldman
considering that a lot of p51's took part in this too, i would say that they were far more vulnerable to ground fire than another aircraft...considering the placement of the radiator on the ponys........
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Each country had a slightly different set of rules for claiming an enemy aircraft "kill". The U.S. wasn't a furballer nation :lol its target was to destroy the Luftwaffe. To do so it targeted German airfields with fighters. U.S. commands also credited aircraft destroyed on the ground as equal to aerial victories.
Cavalry
Only the 8th AF did this. No other US Air Force gave credit for ground kills. This includes th 9th AF that was the tactical air force in the ETO. As Oldman said, it was to encourage pilots to kill em in the air and on the ground. Many of the best US air to air guys went down to flak. Visit any of the US cemeteries in France and it's the ground attack guys who you see buried there. It was a far more dangerous job
All that being said, none of that applies to AH as we all have unlimited lives
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Trees are my wingmen. I enjoy fighting other planes amonst them. My only complaint is they have a lot of my golf balls and won't give them back.