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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Bosco123 on September 03, 2009, 04:40:08 PM
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For you physics fans, since I'm taking physics this year, thought I might show this to you guys. See if you can figure out what happends after 3 and 4D, just incredible what these people can think of. Tottaly blew my mind
http://www.tenthdimension.com/medialinks.php
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OH NO!!!! Binary has infiltrated the dimensions! ;)
Some interesting material there. Thank you for sharing.
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There are some theories that allow for 26 dimensions....
Strip
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I heard up to 32 Strip
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Stop making me feel smaller! :mad:
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When the video was about to explain the fourth dimension my browser on my desktop disappeared...
:uhoh
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Well if you want to get technical there are theories that allow infinite dimensions but are widely regarded as highly improbable. Unless its changed in the last year the highest number of dimensions with a workable theory was 26, its called the super string theory. Most of the other viable theories have 10 while some even go down to five or six. On the other hand they could all be wrong and we might be stuck at four.
Strip
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Yeah, but what happens when the moon is in the seventh sun?
:x
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Ok, it lost me after the 4th Dimension. :huh
Though physisits come up with some interesting stuff. For example, parallel universes always fascinated me. Basically, there are an infinite amount of parallel universe where anything is possible. For example, in one parallel universe, I am the ultimate fighter pilot who never gets shot down. But in another, I am just a squeker who annoys the crap out of everyone (That might be this one :D)
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actually last I heard the super string theory did not hold water. The newest version is the "M-Theory" which postulates 11 dimensions and it seems its math is holding up.
11th dimension is gravity related.
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One question...
Doesn't this all sound like a bunch of bull?
We live in the third dimension... 3-D. It's 3D because we can see things in depth, width, and length. Nothing else.
If there ARE other dimensions, we have no way of knowing that simply because none of us have been to any others. (that I know of)
So basically, this is all cool on writing, but its really nothing more than that. Just writing and theories. After all, none of us can prove other dimensions exist, why have an entire branch of physics to figure it all out?
Just wondering, I dont want to sound like a total sweetheart.
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Yeah, but what happens when the moon is in the seventh sun?
:x
I thought it was the seventh house?
But surely, Jupiter will align with Mars.
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Sorry for the double post, but I remember reading up on something called "Astral projection"
It is basically having an out of body experience...
However... There are such things as Astral Planes. We are in the third Astral Plane (sound familiar?) All objects in our realm can be interacted with...
One step above is our physical world, with more to it. Random things floating about... However, we cannot see them in OUR realm, but in this realm, we can be seen. Basically, it's like a one way mirror, and we have the mirror side. We can't see through it, but what/whoever is in the fourth realm can see us.
When you Astral Project, you enter the fourth plane, but there are ways to enter the higher and lower ones.
Apparently, there are several planes, and the higher you go, the better it gets, with the last being basically, our version of heaven.
Ironically, there are only 2 levels below us, with the 1st being hell. Isn't that nice?
The only reason I can believe all this is because people can Astral Project. In fact, when you dream, you are astral projecting. However, when people Astral Project, they often don't realize it. You can train yourself to Astral Project and visit all these realms, but it takes years of meditation.
I suggest looking it up. There are websites meant for explaining things better than a 14 year old can.
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The 4th dimension (time) is pretty undeniably real
The other stuff is a bit hard to swallow, but it's backed up more or less by math I guess so take it how you will. Who knows, 100 years from now they might think, 'man what were they thinking?!', or this kind of stuff might be exploited and practically used, and people may think 'how could people function without this knowledge?!'.
Of course, if we could make use already of the 6th dimension we could already figure that out :D
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Sorry for the double post, but I remember reading up on something called "Astral projection"
It is basically having an out of body experience...
However... There are such things as Astral Planes. We are in the third Astral Plane (sound familiar?) All objects in our realm can be interacted with...
One step above is our physical world, with more to it. Random things floating about... However, we cannot see them in OUR realm, but in this realm, we can be seen. Basically, it's like a one way mirror, and we have the mirror side. We can't see through it, but what/whoever is in the fourth realm can see us.
When you Astral Project, you enter the fourth plane, but there are ways to enter the higher and lower ones.
Apparently, there are several planes, and the higher you go, the better it gets, with the last being basically, our version of heaven.
Ironically, there are only 2 levels below us, with the 1st being hell. Isn't that nice?
The only reason I can believe all this is because people can Astral Project. In fact, when you dream, you are astral projecting. However, when people Astral Project, they often don't realize it. You can train yourself to Astral Project and visit all these realms, but it takes years of meditation.
I suggest looking it up. There are websites meant for explaining things better than a 14 year old can.
If you can swallow this than I find it hard to believe you couldn't wrap your mind around the video originally posted... this seems REALLY far-fetched to me...
Hehe... looked up 'astral projection' on Wikipedia...
"Astral projection (or astral travel) is an esoteric interpretation of a type of out-of-body experience that assumes the existence of an "astral body" separate from the physical body and capable of traveling outside it.[1] Astral projection is experienced as being "out of the body".[2] Unlike dreaming or near death experiences, astral projection may sometimes be practised deliberately as well as occuring spontaneously."
"what's 'esoteric'?"
Follows link...
'See Also...
Alchemy... Clairvoyance... etc'
;)
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Ugh, my brain hurts. I got lost with their ant popping example, caught up in the fourth, and then got lost halfway through the fifth.
I know I am never going to take high-level physics thanks to this.
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I got lost with their ant popping example,
Yeah the ant popping example pretty much sucked.
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It's a conspiracy to make us believe the evolution of dark matter is creating a massive dimensional existence on the binary plane of never never land and the queen of hearts is seeking the blood of the caterpillar to stop the cheshire cat from smiling about the crap he left in her garden.
Must be some seriously strong gamma rays hitting the planet lately...it's creating a level of gullible in humans better than acid laced shrooms...wait, wasn't there a massive deep space gamma event recently discovered...that would explain a lot.
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One question...
Doesn't this all sound like a bunch of bull?
We live in the third dimension... 3-D. It's 3D because we can see things in depth, width, and length. Nothing else.
If there ARE other dimensions, we have no way of knowing that simply because none of us have been to any others. (that I know of)
So basically, this is all cool on writing, but its really nothing more than that. Just writing and theories.
The key thing here is you say we 'live' in the third dimension. that is incorrect. all that exists, exists in ALL dimensions. Literally, its the sum of all dimensions that make up 'you'.
The difference is, we as human beings can only PERCEIVE the first three dimensions. It is through math and controlled experiments + extremely sensitive equipment that can detect stuff that 'bleeds' into our 3 dimensions that they can be detected/proven.
After all, none of us can prove other dimensions exist, why have an entire branch of physics to figure it all out?
The 4+ dimensions are theorized to exist via mathematics. You need various new branches of science (physics, quantum physics, etc) to figure out how it works and how to use it.
As for proof of their existence... well, there's this expensive Large Hadron Collider thingy that the egghead scientists are trying to get working... and it was built exclusively to prove the existence of the dimensions we do not perceive.
What I find most interesting is that the 10-dimension superstring theory had maths and everything to explain the existance and state of matter and energy in the universe/multiverse but it failed to cover Gravity.
The M-theory adds the 11th dimension that covers that missing aspect and so far it seems to be holding nicely. The Hadron collider, if it detects what they expect to detect, would prove the m-theory as being highly likely to be correct..and man if that's so we could be seeing a MASSIVE explosion of technology for once the existence of something is proven the next step is how to use it.
Take a look at : http://videos.howstuffworks.com/ted-conferences/7608-superstring-theory-explained-video.htm
it explains the basics behind the different dimensions. Watch that first then jump to the original poster's link which covers each dimension by the numbers.
sucks that I can understand all this easily but im math stupid. Id've loved to have been a physicist :P
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Sorry for the double post, but I remember reading up on something called "Astral projection"
This thread is about theories in physics, but... There's a lot of spiritual mumbo-jumbo served up out there to be gobbled up by youth beginning their spiritual journey. All of it is designed to either distract you or fool you. If you want some real spiritual food try reading the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John in the New Testament. Then for the rest of your life when every one tells you how awful the Bible is, you will at least have had the perspective of a person that has read some of it's most powerful content.
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edit: broke rules. In short I disagree with stalwart...
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So in the 2nd dimension 2D is the way of life? Then I guess the whole dimension is anime. Must be a live action starblazers/space battleship yamato fight going on in space.
Or the completely opposite in which the entire novel run of Hitchhikers guide to the galaxy is 100% real and actually happening
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On the other hand they could all be wrong and we might be stuck at four.
Strip
I have the Fifth Dimension on vinyl and 8 track, it does exist.
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Careful Dragon your showing your age, or at least old tastes....
:D
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The difference is, we as human beings can only PERCEIVE the first three dimensions. It is through math and controlled experiments + extremely sensitive equipment that can detect stuff that 'bleeds' into our 3 dimensions that they can be detected/proven.
The 4+ dimensions are theorized to exist via mathematics. You need various new branches of science (physics, quantum physics, etc) to figure out how it works and how to use it.
So basically what you're saying is we have to use our 3 dimensional brains to build 3 dimensional objects using 2 dimensional numbers and 2 dimensional mathematical equations written on 3 dimensional objects and just believe that these 3 dimensional objects we created can show us for an absolute fact that more than 3 dimensions exist... :huh
I'm sorry but wasn't there early 20th century physicists that once claimed the moon was made of cheese and that there were aliens on mars?
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My head is spinning.
Lets see..if I saw a picture of a beer can, folded it into a straw, ...hmm..way too deep. Im thirsty :)
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This stuff will give you the serious heebie jeebies if you let it.
The "folding" concept plus the "infinity" idea in that video, if true, could explain much of the supernatural activity perceived in our dimension.
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I should have known this would have slanted a little ways to religous, because that's how people are.
Me? I believe that if you have math to back it, then I agree. I need evidence, and that's how I am.
I just thought it was pretty cool to know this stuff, if you can figure it out.
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So in the 2nd dimension 2D is the way of life? Then I guess the whole dimension is anime. Must be a live action starblazers/space battleship yamato fight going on in space.
Or the completely opposite in which the entire novel run of Hitchhikers guide to the galaxy is 100% real and actually happening
Maybe get a little Gundam on? I wish I could live in 2D land if that happened....
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Ok, it lost me after the 4th Dimension. :huh
Though physisits come up with some interesting stuff. For example, parallel universes always fascinated me. Basically, there are an infinite amount of parallel universe where anything is possible. For example, in one parallel universe, I am the ultimate fighter pilot who never gets shot down. But in another, I am just a squeker who annoys the crap out of everyone (That might be this one :D)
If I understood the video correctly, the alternate universes are not universes that contain us at all, but rather are universes that have someone else that is almost exactly like us but with one or more difference. So technically, you will always be you, but you can see someone almost exactly like you in another universe, but never yourself. So, to make it clear, yes, you are a squeker, but only in one universe. :D JK
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I thought it was the seventh house?
But surely, Jupiter will align with Mars.
then peace will guide the planets...and loooooooove will steer the stars!!!
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Take it from a Caltech Physics major:
1) String theory at this point is merely speculation. In fact, I'd call it mathematical bananay. In order to provide a shred of evidence for string theory, it'd take a particle collider the size of the solar system.
The only experimentally supported theory at this point is the Standard Model. Anything more than the SM is at best an educated guess (which will soon be proved or disproved with the activation of the LHC) and at worst a bunch of mathematicians getting too excited about what is possible and coming up with a "theory" which we don't have a shot at getting evidence for within the next thousand years. Keep in mind we can't DISPROVE them either as for any theory to be even remotely acceptable, it has to reduce to the currently supported model.
If you've ever seen "The Big Bang Theory" the CBS sitcom, they actually joke about this. When Leonard, PhD argues with his girlfriend, PhD about theories of physics, his girlfriend ends the argument with "BUT WHAT ARE WE GOING TO TEACH THE CHILDREN?!" and breaks up with him over their disagreement. This is a joke on the fact that these advanced theories are almost like religions in their lack of experimental verifiability (I hope this comment doesn't end up getting my post banned).
In fact, a Nobel Prize winning physicst (Sheldon Glashow) left the Harvard Physics department because they had "converted" to string theory.
2) Mathematics only describes what is possible. Just because it is possible doesn't mean it is real. I can envision a universe of infinite dimensions and it will be mathematically reasonable. That doesn't mean it EXISTS, but it is possible. This is because math is simply an ABSTRACTION - a concept and set of tools which are useful.
For example, math can easily describe a universe in which there are only two dimensions. In fact, such a picture is extremely useful in certain situations. That does not mean we live in a 2-D universe.
3) Physics is a science, which means experimental evidence is the last word. In the "Golden Age" of physics in the late 19th and early-mid 20th centuries, the best theorists were every bit the effective experimentalists as well - guys like Faraday, Einstein, and Bohr.
4) As far as the link - assuming 10 dimensions do exist, that is by far the most logical explanation of what they actually mean that I've seen. I've never been able to envision what the extra dimensions in those 26 dimensional theories actually represent. They seemed to me more of a mathematical convenience so the calculations can work out correctly.
Anyways, have fun twisting your minds around extra dimensions :lol
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:aok +1 to what Boomerlu posted.
I should have known this would have slanted a little ways to religous, because that's how people are.
Me? I believe that if you have math to back it, then I agree. I need evidence, and that's how I am.
I just thought it was pretty cool to know this stuff, if you can figure it out.
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Bosco123...did you know there is no mathematical evidence for dreams? Yet everyone has them (whether they remember them upon awakening or not)...so when you wake up in the middle of the night or in the morning are you going to deny you had a dream or series of dreams? You have no physical proof of occurrence, you cannot replicate the events in a controlled environment. Yet if you deny that the dreams occurred based on the lack of evidence, you would be lying.
Religion has it's place in the human psyche and human culture.
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You have no physical proof of occurrence, you cannot replicate the events in a controlled environment. Yet if you deny that the dreams occurred based on the lack of evidence, you would be lying.
Please don't believe everything you read on the internet, there has been easily observable physical evidence for 'dreams' since the 1950's, even though there are still many theories of what exactly their purpose is.
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Please don't believe everything you read on the internet, there has been easily observable physical evidence for 'dreams' since the 1950's, even though there are still many theories of what exactly their purpose is.
Why would you assume I'm looking anything up on the internet? Rather than take something out of context and trying to "inform" me of something, read my statement again...from the beginning this time.
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:aok +1 to what Boomerlu posted.
Bosco123...did you know there is no mathematical evidence for dreams? Yet everyone has them (whether they remember them upon awakening or not)...so when you wake up in the middle of the night or in the morning are you going to deny you had a dream or series of dreams? You have no physical proof of occurrence, you cannot replicate the events in a controlled environment. Yet if you deny that the dreams occurred based on the lack of evidence, you would be lying.
Religion has it's place in the human psyche and human culture.
So what are you saying, that becasue my mind is doing somthing that I cannot control over my sleep, that I believe them? I believe that I am going to kill somone because it was in my dreams? Absolutley not.
I was tring to use the word Religon, but now that you said it, I cannot beileve that the world was created in 8 days, just becasue of hear say. What I do believe that it took a long time for the world we know it today to occur, and I like that fact that I can solve it with math.
Simple as that.
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I got lost at 2-D ...lol....but anyways anyone remember Sliders??? What a great show Kari Wurher was HOT
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Why would you assume I'm looking anything up on the internet?
Where else would you obtain such a nugget of information?
So what are you saying, that becasue my mind is doing somthing that I cannot control over my sleep, that I believe them? I believe that I am going to kill somone because it was in my dreams? Absolutley not.
I was tring to use the word Religon, but now that you said it, I cannot beileve that the world was created in 8 days, just becasue of hear say. What I do believe that it took a long time for the world we know it today to occur, and I like that fact that I can solve it with math.
Simple as that.
He was talking about dreams themselves, not what happens in them.
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I'm not really feeling up to reading all the previous posts due to a bad headache already :eek:
dTry looking into Hyperdimensional physics and torsion fields
intersting stuff there, if you can wrap your head around it
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Where else would you obtain such a nugget of information?
Uh...college...every heard of it?
He was talking about dreams themselves, not what happens in them.
Exactly.
Bosco, as the story goes the Earth was "created" in one day, not 8. And if you carefully examine the creation story very closely and then at the current theories of how our solar system was formed...there are some very small and weak similarities...but they exist...just as much as the mathematical foundation of all things within our dimensional existence.
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my dog dreams...some times his legs move like hes running, other times he wags his tail and he barks and groans lol, hehehe wonder what he dreams about :rofl chewing more of my tv remotes or something :D
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Yet again your wrong. Earth was created by dust and particles moving through the universe and began to jumble into our solar system. Meteors would collide and combine, and this is after over a billion years after the the universe was created. After Earth was created, it was much like Venus. Green house effect and sulfuric acid was shooting temperatures up 250+, and at dark it was -250. Then, the green house effect and the sulfuric acid was finally burnt off to create a some what world that we have today. First creatures on this planes were amphibious, and not very big. First land creature was something like a frog, started in the water and moved on into land, looked like a lizard.
Only thing that was diffrent about the world then, and from the world now, (I could possibly have this a little wrong, this part about the moon) A meteor collided with Earth, and took out a chunk of the earth, then the chuck of Earth, which would now be a meteor, grabbed into our gravitational pull, and orbited around us, thus, making the moon.
I am beginning to question your "college degree" when I know this, when I failed my Astronomy class last year. If you are tring to pull this from the internet, please stop talking because your going to get your foot shoved in your mouth every time.
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Yet again your wrong. Earth was created by dust and particles moving through the universe and began to jumble into our solar system. Meteors would collide and combine, and this is after over a billion years after the the universe was created. After Earth was created, it was much like Venus. Green house effect and sulfuric acid was shooting temperatures up 250+, and at dark it was -250. Then, the green house effect and the sulfuric acid was finally burnt off to create a some what world that we have today. First creatures on this planes were amphibious, and not very big. First land creature was something like a frog, started in the water and moved on into land, looked like a lizard.
Only thing that was diffrent about the world then, and from the world now, (I could possibly have this a little wrong, this part about the moon) A meteor collided with Earth, and took out a chunk of the earth, then the chuck of Earth, which would now be a meteor, grabbed into our gravitational pull, and orbited around us, thus, making the moon.
I am beginning to question your "college degree" when I know this, when I failed my Astronomy class last year. If you are tring to pull this from the internet, please stop talking because your going to get your foot shoved in your mouth every time.
You're absolutely 100% sure about this? You're quoting of the theory is a little off but it's not worth correcting you at this point. I don't recall seeing any substantial empirical evidence beyond the thousand or so theories that have circulated through the scientific community over the past 200 years. What you state as fact is based on changing scientific theory...nothing concrete beyond scientific conjecture which changes with every generation.
You can question my degree all you want, when you stop "using your faith" in what others have written and come up with your own empirical evidence...as in provide the evidence that you personally witnessed the events as you describe.
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So i could actually be a Powerball winner in another dimension... Luck bastage...
Ill let you all suck up to me tho.
Lots of abstract ideas mixed in with concrete ones.....That guys voice creeps me out.......... and he uses the word imagine to much......gets old after about the 5 time.
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Hmmm i just can't support billions of years do you have any proof of this.....
All scientific evidence points to a much short time.....
one example: the earth is spinning slower...... billions of years it would be spinning to fast.
2# The moon is moving away from the earth....... billions of years just does not fit.
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You're absolutely 100% sure about this? You're quoting of the theory is a little off but it's not worth correcting you at this point. I don't recall seeing any substantial empirical evidence beyond the thousand or so theories that have circulated through the scientific community over the past 200 years. What you state as fact is based on changing scientific theory...nothing concrete beyond scientific conjecture which changes with every generation.
You can question my degree all you want, when you stop "using your faith" in what others have written and come up with your own empirical evidence...as in provide the evidence that you personally witnessed the events as you describe.
I've never seen the dark side of the moon, therefore the moon must be a hemisphere.
Hmmm i just can't support billions of years do you have any proof of this.....
2# The moon is moving away from the earth....... billions of years just does not fit.
Fit's fine, that's why there hasn't been much change in estimations in the age of the earth and moon (4.5ish Billion years) since the 1950's.
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Hmmm i just can't support billions of years do you have any proof of this.....
All scientific evidence points to a much short time.....
one example: the earth is spinning slower...... billions of years it would be spinning to fast.
2# The moon is moving away from the earth....... billions of years just does not fit.
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While you might not support billions of years, surely you must be able to support the fact that the Earth is more than the 6013 years calculated by Ussher in the 17th Century. He calculated that the Earth began in 4004 BCE, though the fossilized remains of lifeforms on Earth point to Earth being far older than 6013 years old.
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Their explanation of the folding concept would have made more sense to everyone if they'd drawn it as the two dimensions touching/interacting/intersecting, not just getting close to each other so the ant could "jump."
It all makes sense to me at the level they explained it. I'm sure if they went too much deeper, I'd be lost, though.
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The only thing that I believe is a theory is the one about the Moon. The other has been proven already.
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None of you were here when the world/universe was created, so lets just leave that out of the discussion. Ok?
String theory never really did sit right with me. Frankly there are some parts of the big bang that I'm not sure I agree with. But thats neither here nor there.
Ooz nailed it on the ant. Same thing works for any of the first 4 dimensions.
Try thinking of it this way.
Lay a towel across your lap with your knees spread. Makes a nice big 2 dimensional surface. Now put a ladybug or ant on one knee, headed for the other knee > ..........< far away.
Now bring your knees together, so that the bug can crawl from one side to the other. >.<
A wrinkle in time, or space.
When we (as the bug) figure out how to create that wrinkle, we'll have the key to interstellar travel.
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According to the theory of relativity, space and time are considered to be one entity. The path to interstellar travel is gravity and shaping the gravity field around us.
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String theory never really did sit right with me.
Reposted from what I said earlier:
String theory at this point is merely speculation. In fact, I'd call it mathematical bananay. In order to provide a shred of evidence for string theory, it'd take a particle collider the size of the solar system.
P.S., didn't realize "bananay" was grounds for censorship.
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MMM
Mathematical banana
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My 9th grade understanding:
I...here....i no see there...there no affect me, here.....why there matter? :P
EDIT: oh, and i didnt watch the video, maybe later
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Because "there" could unlock the universe. :D
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Because "there" could unlock the universe. :D
Universe mostly no effect me...why i need know bout it?
If we made a time machine and stopped hitler, I would have no AH!!!
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Hmmm i just can't support billions of years do you have any proof of this.....
All scientific evidence points to a much short time.....
one example: the earth is spinning slower...... billions of years it would be spinning to fast.
2# The moon is moving away from the earth....... billions of years just does not fit.
That is not scientific evidence. It is not even evidence - these are un-quantified statements that are linearly (and wrongly) extrapolated to fit your required result.
What is the slowdown rate of the earth? There is actually a very good explanation for that - tidal forces on the earth by the Sun slow it down and try to sync the spin with the orbit rate, the same as the moon's spin and orbit time around the earth are in sync. And yes, it would take billions of years to change the earth's spin in any significant manner. Even this slowdown rate is not linear, the rate itself slows down with time. This is an asymptotic behavior.
The moon is moving away from the earth - and then moves closer. There are fluctuations in its orbit due to interactions with other solar system bodies, but the moon is in no danger of escaping the earth. Linear extrapolation is silly: I jump up - I am getting away from the earth - If I wait long enough I will reach the moon. Of course, in less than a second you will find otherwise.
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Universe mostly no effect me...why i need know bout it?
If we made a time machine and stopped hitler, I would have no AH!!!
Your appendix "mostly no effect" you either, but it matters when it does. :p
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we all gota go sometime... :noid
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That is not scientific evidence. It is not even evidence - these are un-quantified statements that are linearly (and wrongly) extrapolated to fit your required result.
What is the slowdown rate of the earth? There is actually a very good explanation for that - tidal forces on the earth by the Sun slow it down and try to sync the spin with the orbit rate, the same as the moon's spin and orbit time around the earth are in sync. And yes, it would take billions of years to change the earth's spin in any significant manner. Even this slowdown rate is not linear, the rate itself slows down with time. This is an asymptotic behavior.
The moon is moving away from the earth - and then moves closer. There are fluctuations in its orbit due to interactions with other solar system bodies, but the moon is in no danger of escaping the earth. Linear extrapolation is silly: I jump up - I am getting away from the earth - If I wait long enough I will reach the moon. Of course, in less than a second you will find otherwise.
Interesting... to say the least ....
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why have an entire branch of physics to figure it all out?
Just wondering, I dont want to sound like a total sweetheart.
nope thats a good question ...
we'll have the key to interstellar travel.
... and heres a large part of the answer. you might also add energy source, sensing/communication tools and "because its there" :)
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I have tried to watch this film over and over trying to fully grasp it when im stoned....i still dont really get it