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Title: And they said Ohio State is over rank?!?
Post by: oakranger on September 19, 2009, 06:07:42 PM
At least they loose to a rank team.


USC 13
Washington 16
Title: Re: And they said Ohio State is over rank?!?
Post by: texastc316 on September 19, 2009, 06:41:44 PM
 :rock

give em hell give em hell make em eat ....... Hookem Horns!!
Title: Re: And they said Ohio State is over rank?!?
Post by: Plazus on September 19, 2009, 06:45:34 PM
Wow... its been almost 2 years, and Ohio State is still getting a public smackdown. Its a shame how ignorant people are these days.
Title: Re: And they said Ohio State is over rank?!?
Post by: oakranger on September 19, 2009, 07:37:47 PM
Wow... its been almost 2 years, and Ohio State is still getting a public smackdown. Its a shame how ignorant people are these days.

Hey, i am a buckeye fan.  Just tired of others bad mouth them after they lost last week.  Time for USC to get theirs.
Title: Re: And they said Ohio State is over rank?!?
Post by: A.F. Crash, Fire, Rescue on September 19, 2009, 08:22:07 PM
Hey, quit the bad mouth on Ohio State, they played a lot better against USC this year than they did last year. Ohio State is a good team so everyone needs to quit saying they are overrated, that's like saying USC or Texas is over rated but no one ever says that.
Title: Re: And they said Ohio State is over rank?!?
Post by: oakranger on September 19, 2009, 09:08:52 PM
Hey, quit the bad mouth on Ohio State, they played a lot better against USC this year than they did last year. Ohio State is a good team so everyone needs to quit saying they are overrated, that's like saying USC or Texas is over rated but no one ever says that.

We are saying it now.
Title: Re: And they said Ohio State is over rank?!?
Post by: fudgums on September 19, 2009, 09:13:08 PM
Hey, quit the bad mouth on Ohio State, they played a lot better against USC this year than they did last year. Ohio State is a good team so everyone needs to quit saying they are overrated, that's like saying USC or Texas is over rated but no one ever says that.

The thing is, is when Texas is for real, their for real. Not like USC, they SHOULD not lose to teams like Washington and Oregon State. Especially with the talent they have. Everyone bad mouths Ohio State because they can't beat a team down south with SPEED. They choke in the spotlight and its not just Ohio State, it's Illinois and Penn State the past few years....
Title: Re: And they said Ohio State is over rank?!?
Post by: oakranger on September 19, 2009, 09:29:29 PM
The thing is, is when Texas is for real, their for real. Not like USC, they SHOULD not lose to teams like Washington and Oregon State. Especially with the talent they have. Everyone bad mouths Ohio State because they can't beat a team down south with SPEED. They choke in the spotlight and its not just Ohio State, it's Illinois and Penn State the past few years....

They beat Miamai. Are they a team in the south? The OSU vs. FU was no excuse for OSU, they did not show up.  As far as playing LSU, you can blame the crappy BCS for putting OSU there.  They should have never played in that game.
Title: Re: And they said Ohio State is over rank?!?
Post by: fudgums on September 19, 2009, 09:35:24 PM
They beat Miamai. Are they a team in the south? The OSU vs. FU was no excuse for OSU, they did not show up.  As far as playing LSU, you can blame the crappy BCS for putting OSU there.  They should have never played in that game.

Losing to USC two years in a row as well, and a freshman QB coming into their stadium and winning, something Pryor couldn't do....
Title: Re: And they said Ohio State is over rank?!?
Post by: oakranger on September 19, 2009, 10:11:52 PM
See Rule #6
Title: Re: And they said Ohio State is over rank?!?
Post by: B17Skull12 on September 19, 2009, 11:44:11 PM
impressive stat.

USC 0 yes thats right a big fat ZERO passing touchdown the last 2 games.  I guess both barkley and corps are insanely good, you know considering USC passings touchdowns came against San Jose State. :rofl

Lucky for al of the us they have to play poor washington state next week to pad their numbers.


USC won't win the pac 10 this year.
Title: Re: And they said Ohio State is over rank?!?
Post by: MiloMorai on September 20, 2009, 07:19:53 AM
I think some people are wearing rose tinted glasses. :devil
Title: Re: And they said Ohio State is over rank?!?
Post by: fudgums on September 20, 2009, 07:22:29 AM
Snip
   

The quarterback still leads the team......
USC won't win the pac 10 this year.

With Oregon out of the question, Cal does have a good chance. Cal has the defense for a national championship, Jahvid Best is probably the best running back in college football, just wondering if the QB can stand the pressure.....
Title: Re: And they said Ohio State is over rank?!?
Post by: Plazus on September 20, 2009, 09:07:42 AM
Losing to USC two years in a row as well, and a freshman QB coming into their stadium and winning, something Pryor couldn't do....

Did you even watch the game last week? OSU had the game down-pat until the last five minutes. We couldve won, had the OSU defense not lose its momentum. Naturally, OSU screwed it up when we needed a victory the most... But oh well, I still love my Buckeyes, and dont give a damn what anyone has to say to that.
Title: Re: And they said Ohio State is over rank?!?
Post by: A.F. Crash, Fire, Rescue on September 20, 2009, 09:26:56 AM
And how about USC losing to an unranked team yesterday?!?! They got beat by Washington. That's like Michigan losing to Appalachain State and Oregon last year.
Title: Re: And they said Ohio State is over rank?!?
Post by: B17Skull12 on September 20, 2009, 10:27:34 AM
im still waiting to see Oregon State.  Jaquizz Rodgers is going to own USC this year.  Kind of like last year.  If that defense last year couldn't stop him, this years team is just going to get shredded.  The Pac 10 going to be either OSU or Cal.  Ill go for another Bold prediction USC is goingto lose 4 (count em 4) games atleast, not counting bowl.  Cal, Oregon, OSU, and one other lose to someone who they supposed to beat.
Title: Re: And they said Ohio State is over rank?!?
Post by: fudgums on September 20, 2009, 10:43:52 AM
im still waiting to see Oregon State.  Jaquizz Rodgers is going to own USC this year. 

Cincinnati whipped them yesterday......
Did you even watch the game last week? OSU had the game down-pat until the last five minutes. We couldve won, had the OSU defense not lose its momentum. Naturally, OSU screwed it up when we needed a victory the most... But oh well, I still love my Buckeyes, and dont give a damn what anyone has to say to that.

Legend in the making....
Title: Re: And they said Ohio State is over rank?!?
Post by: Becinhu on September 20, 2009, 12:03:42 PM
They beat Miamai. Are they a team in the south? The OSU vs. FU was no excuse for OSU, they did not show up.  As far as playing LSU, you can blame the crappy BCS for putting OSU there.  They should have never played in that game.
They said a team in the south with SPEED...not that sells speed. Miami is the local county lock-up team.
Title: Re: And they said Ohio State is over rank?!?
Post by: B17Skull12 on September 20, 2009, 09:34:19 PM
Cincinnati whipped them yesterday......
appearntly they know something USC didn't cause USC couldn't stop quizrodgers last year.
Title: Re: And they said Ohio State is over rank?!?
Post by: flight17 on September 20, 2009, 09:50:43 PM
Losing to USC two years in a row as well, and a freshman QB coming into their stadium and winning, something Pryor couldn't do....
my HS team use to play pryor...
Title: Re: And they said Ohio State is over rank?!?
Post by: DMBEAR on September 21, 2009, 03:11:58 PM
Are you kidding me?  Is Ohio St. so desperate that they now have to be happy when the teams that came and beat them on their own field get beat by another team.

I would think that if USC had gone undefeated after dashing your hopes w/ a freshman led 4th quarter 80+ yd. drive, it would have reflected better on you.  Instead, they went out and proved how overrated they are again by losing to an upstart Washington program.  Therefore your loss to them should be a little harder to swallow.

Letting the Navy game go the way it did doesn't help your case either. 

That is why, as you put it, many say "Ohio State is over rank?!?"

I guess quite a few fans are tired of you getting through your weak Big10 schedule only to get to the NC game and choke.  Same thing goes for Choklahoma.   :rock







Title: Re: And they said Ohio State is over rank?!?
Post by: Toecutter on September 21, 2009, 08:08:35 PM
How do you get an Ohio State Graduate off your porch?

Pay him for the pizza. 

Sorry couldn't resist.  :devil
Title: Re: And they said Ohio State is over rank?!?
Post by: oakranger on September 22, 2009, 12:52:25 AM

I would think that if USC had gone undefeated after dashing your hopes w/ a freshman led 4th quarter 80+ yd. drive, it would have reflected better on you. 


Like i said, Berkly didn't do sh*t in that game.  It was McKight that pull it off for the team. Barkly is getting all the attention because he is the first freshman QB to start at USC and he led UCS to a "not so impressive" victory against San Jose State.  He is a joke of a QB that will never grow to the level excellent. 

And yes, OSU will speak up loud that maybe it is not Ohio State that is over rank, maybe it is USC.  At least Ohio state looses a game against a rank team unlike USC. 
Title: Re: And they said Ohio State is over rank?!?
Post by: TheZohan on September 22, 2009, 01:15:26 AM
put OSU in the SEC and Vanderbelt would beat them up.. they are overrated!
Title: Re: And they said Ohio State is over rank?!?
Post by: DMBEAR on September 22, 2009, 01:58:33 AM
Like i said, Berkly didn't do sh*t in that game.  It was McKight that pull it off for the team. Barkly is getting all the attention because he is the first freshman QB to start at USC and he led UCS to a "not so impressive" victory against San Jose State.  He is a joke of a QB that will never grow to the level excellent. 

And yes, OSU will speak up loud that maybe it is not Ohio State that is over rank, maybe it is USC.  At least Ohio state looses a game against a rank team unlike USC. 

You lost to a team that lost to an unranked team.  Then you brag that at least you didnt lose to an unranked team..  I don't understand you, but I know that your kind of logic prevails in the ranking system.

Here are some pics of the #2 LSU  playing your #1 OSU team in the BCS championship team in for the 2007 Championship.  :rofl  :D  :rock

(http://i411.photobucket.com/albums/pp193/dmbear/images-10.jpg)
(http://i411.photobucket.com/albums/pp193/dmbear/OSU-LSU07.jpg)
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(http://i411.photobucket.com/albums/pp193/dmbear/bcs2.jpg)
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Title: Re: And they said Ohio State is over rank?!?
Post by: oakranger on September 22, 2009, 02:15:59 AM
You lost to a team that lost to an unranked team.  Then you brag that at least you didnt lose to an unranked team..  I don't understand you, but I know that your kind of logic prevails in the ranking system.

Here are some pics of the #2 LSU  playing your #1 OSU team in the BCS championship team in for the 2007 Championship.  :rofl  :D  :rock

(http://i411.photobucket.com/albums/pp193/dmbear/images-10.jpg)
(http://i411.photobucket.com/albums/pp193/dmbear/OSU-LSU07.jpg)
(http://i411.photobucket.com/albums/pp193/dmbear/images2.jpg)
(http://i411.photobucket.com/albums/pp193/dmbear/bcs2.jpg)
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It is simple.  USC thought they are unstoppable after they beat Ohio State, then they lost to Washington.  So, where are they now?  I don't hear much of them saying they are unstoppable.  I certinally don't hear Ohio State saying anything this year that they are unstoppable.

About the 2007 National championship game, yea, Ohio state did not belong there.  They where not national championship contenders that year.  That what burns me up.  People say that OSU shouldn't have been in that game, they choke.  OK, so who put them there in the first place? 
Title: Re: And they said Ohio State is over rank?!?
Post by: DMBEAR on September 22, 2009, 12:29:35 PM
And how about USC losing to an unranked team yesterday?!?! They got beat by Washington. That's like Michigan losing to Appalachain State and Oregon last year.

Hardly.  App ST. was one of the most embarrasing losses in College football history.  The Big 10 can't sweep that debacle under the rug that easily.  Nice try though.  ;)
Title: Re: And they said Ohio State is over rank?!?
Post by: oakranger on September 22, 2009, 02:09:18 PM
Hardly.  App ST. was one of the most embarrasing losses in College football history.  The Big 10 can't sweep that debacle under the rug that easily.  Nice try though.  ;)

That will follow Michigan for a long time.  Or until all the players that where on the team at the time of the game are gone.  Same team, different players different results.  I don't know how anyone can bash any team like OU or Ohio State from a blow game that happen 2-3 years ago and try to say they are the same now.
Title: Re: And they said Ohio State is over rank?!?
Post by: DMBEAR on September 22, 2009, 02:41:32 PM
That will follow Michigan for a long time.  Or until all the players that where on the team at the time of the game are gone.  Same team, different players different results.  I don't know how anyone can bash any team like OU or Ohio State from a blow game that happen 2-3 years ago and try to say they are the same now.

I'll tell you how.  When you keep choking you gotta win your way out of it.  Instead Ohio St. keeps getting the token top 10 ranking.  This year it was #6.

Look at the Top ten today.  Do you notice anything interesting about one of those teams?  I'll help you.  Choklahoma is the only team that has 1 loss and is in the top 10.  It's the same BS that happens every year.   USC and Ohio ST. are #12, and #13.  Look how far other teams fall when they get 1 loss.  Va tech lost to Alabama who is still unbeaten, therefore you can make an argument for them.

Ohio St. was a 2pt conversion away from being 1-2.  Please tell me why they are ranked so high.  Please try.  Michigan is 3-0 yet they are ranked 23rd.  I'm no Mich. fan, but they havnt lost.

Since schools like Ohio St and Choklahoma keep getting a high preseason rank and then choke in the big games after all the hype, year after year, you start to get a reputation.

And remember, the players may come and go, but Stoops,Tressel, and their systems stay constant. 



Title: Re: And they said Ohio State is over rank?!?
Post by: oakranger on September 23, 2009, 01:11:37 AM
I'll tell you how.  When you keep choking you gotta win your way out of it.  Instead Ohio St. keeps getting the token top 10 ranking.  This year it was #6.

Look at the Top ten today.  Do you notice anything interesting about one of those teams?  I'll help you.  Choklahoma is the only team that has 1 loss and is in the top 10.  It's the same BS that happens every year.   USC and Ohio ST. are #12, and #13.  Look how far other teams fall when they get 1 loss.  Va tech lost to Alabama who is still unbeaten, therefore you can make an argument for them.

Ohio St. was a 2pt conversion away from being 1-2.  Please tell me why they are ranked so high.  Please try.  Michigan is 3-0 yet they are ranked 23rd.  I'm no Mich. fan, but they havnt lost.

Since schools like Ohio St and Choklahoma keep getting a high preseason rank and then choke in the big games after all the hype, year after year, you start to get a reputation.

And remember, the players may come and go, but Stoops,Tressel, and their systems stay constant. 






MONEY!  Thats how.
Title: Re: And they said Ohio State is over rank?!?
Post by: B17Skull12 on September 23, 2009, 01:53:17 AM
I'll tell you how.  When you keep choking you gotta win your way out of it.  Instead Ohio St. keeps getting the token top 10 ranking.  This year it was #6.

Look at the Top ten today.  Do you notice anything interesting about one of those teams?  I'll help you.  Choklahoma is the only team that has 1 loss and is in the top 10.  It's the same BS that happens every year.   USC and Ohio ST. are #12, and #13.  Look how far other teams fall when they get 1 loss.  Va tech lost to Alabama who is still unbeaten, therefore you can make an argument for them.

Ohio St. was a 2pt conversion away from being 1-2.  Please tell me why they are ranked so high.  Please try.  Michigan is 3-0 yet they are ranked 23rd.  I'm no Mich. fan, but they havnt lost.

Since schools like Ohio St and Choklahoma keep getting a high preseason rank and then choke in the big games after all the hype, year after year, you start to get a reputation.

And remember, the players may come and go, but Stoops,Tressel, and their systems stay constant. 




favorite this.  Will be the best college football post all season.  You can also add usc to that mix in losing to unranked team but they still stay high in rankings.
Title: Re: And they said Ohio State is over rank?!?
Post by: DMBEAR on September 23, 2009, 12:22:21 PM

MONEY!  Thats how.

 :confused:
Title: Re: And they said Ohio State is over rank?!?
Post by: alskahawk on September 23, 2009, 12:30:35 PM
 
  There is no dominate college football team..yet. USC traveled to Ohio State and scraped out a win, then lost to unranked Washington. Which puts a bit of a quality of loss for Ohio State. Florida wins over unranked SEC opponent Tennessee. Texas wins over Texas Tech. Neither dominated their games. They won. They posted good efforts and looked sloppy at times. On the first game of the year, Alabama wins against Virgina Tech. After three games Virgina Tech is ranked  71st offensively and 84Th defensively. Quality win? Not yet. Ohio State and USC are good teams. Top 15 easy. Top ten? Not yet. Ohio State will have trouble in November when they travel to Penn State and Michigan. USC could win and be back in the top ten by mid October and by November?  They have the best talent pool in the country.  Ohio State has visited the top five for the last time this year. Alabama, Florida, LSU. What can you say? SEC schedule. It beats up teams and spits out champions. One of these teams will probably fight for the championship in January. Texas, Oklahoma. They meet October 17Th.

   As for the Big Ten, the top four teams are Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan, and Iowa. If you had to pick a top two, it would Ohio State and Penn State. Ohio State and Michigan should win easily this week. In the best game of the week, Iowa travels to Happy Valley to start conference play against the Nittany Lions. Iowa has a decent offense and a solid defense. Look for Iowa to struggle offensively as they have three offensive starters out this week. Defensively Iowa has 6 interceptions and 2 blocked field goals. Like Iowa, Penn State has struggled offensively at times but they have posted solid defensive efforts. Seven o'clock Saturday night!

Florida, Texas and Mississippi should post easy wins this week. Cal outpaced lackluster Minnesota to win in the final quarter last week. California and Boise State are probably the most suspect teams in the top ten rankings. The Bears could get picked off at Oregon. LSU and Boise State should both post wins this week. Miami travels to Virginia Tech. Miami should win..but...its a ACC match up. Then they host Oklahoma. Oklahoma gets a extra week to prepare for the trip. Historically Miami is talent rich. So you can't expect Hurricanes to be a also ran for long.  :rock
Title: Re: And they said Ohio State is over rank?!?
Post by: DMBEAR on September 23, 2009, 12:52:48 PM

  There is no dominate college football team..yet. USC traveled to Ohio State and scraped out a win, then lost to unranked Washington. Which puts a bit of a quality of loss for Ohio State.   Do you mean it makes the loss look worse? Florida wins over unranked SEC opponent Tennessee. Texas wins over Texas Tech. Neither dominated their games. They won. They posted good efforts and looked sloppy at times. On the first game of the year, Alabama wins against Virgina Tech. After three games Virgina Tech is ranked  71st offensively and 84Th defensively. Quality win? Not yet. Ohio State and USC are good teams. Top 15 easy. How can you say this about Ohio St. after they barely beat Navy?  Top ten? Not yet. Ohio State will have trouble in November when they travel to Penn State and Michigan. USC could win and be back in the top ten by mid October and by November?  They have the best talent pool in the country.  Ohio State has visited the top five for the last time this year. Alabama, Florida, LSU. What can you say? SEC schedule. It beats up teams and spits out champions. One of these teams will probably fight for the championship in January. Texas, Oklahoma. They meet October 17Th.

   As for the Big Ten, the top four teams are Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan, and Iowa. If you had to pick a top two, it would Ohio State and Penn State.  Not if I had to pick. As of now I'd pick Penn St. and Michigan.  They have no losses. Ohio State and Michigan should win easily this week. In the best game of the week, Iowa travels to Happy Valley to start conference play against the Nittany Lions. Iowa has a decent offense and a solid defense. Look for Iowa to struggle offensively as they have three offensive starters out this week. Defensively Iowa has 6 interceptions and 2 blocked field goals. Like Iowa, Penn State has struggled offensively at times but they have posted solid defensive efforts. Seven o'clock Saturday night!

Florida, Texas and Mississippi should post easy wins this week. Cal outpaced lackluster Minnesota to win in the final quarter last week. California and Boise State are probably the most suspect teams in the top ten rankings. The Bears could get picked off at Oregon. LSU and Boise State should both post wins this week. Miami travels to Virginia Tech. Miami should win..but...its a ACC match up. Then they host Oklahoma. Oklahoma gets a extra week to prepare for the trip. Historically Miami is talent rich. So you can't expect Hurricanes to be a also ran for long.  :rock

I agree w/ your initial statement that there is no dominant team as of yet.  But as far as the thread is concerned and in your post, assuming OU and OSU are top 10 teams after what they have shown to this point seems wrong to me, and it adds to the claim that they are overrated.  You lose you drop.  If you are OU or OSU you drop a little and you move back up quickly.  If you are anyone else, even if you beat OU(BYU) they kick you outta the top 15 as fast as they can.

So you tell me.  You have 2 teams that have 1 loss.  They happen to have played each other.  Who do you rank higher?  I'd choose the team that won.  I know that sounds crazy.

BYU should be ranked ahead of OU.  BYU is #19 OU is #10

Washington should be ranked ahead of USC.  Washington is #24  USC is #12

Of course thats only if you go by what has been done on the field.
Title: Re: And they said Ohio State is over rank?!?
Post by: alskahawk on September 23, 2009, 02:48:48 PM
 I think you misread what I wrote.  I do not consider that OSU will be top 5. I stated that. They may creep back into the top 10 because the voters, their schedule and lack of another loss. As for the loss to USC. If USC was the dominate team of past, then this loss to USC would may have been a lesser factor. An early year loss to the potential champion.
 So a average USC won over a average Ohio State team. USC will probably still run the PAC 10 this year. As far as the OSU vs Navy win. Yes they barely won. The first game of the season. Which is also why I don't give Alabama much props for the win over VT. The first game is an unknown for both teams. This is not to tear down Navy. They have actually made to a bowl game or two in the last couple of years.

 Now look at Ohio State's schedule. Their toughest game in October is Wisconsin. The Wisconsin game is a home game. Wisconsin will probably lose 2 or 3 games in conference this year. They also have Indiana, Purdue, New Mexico State and Minnesota in October. There is a chance they could lose to one of these teams. A very small chance. The probable scenerio is that, Ohio State gets into November without another loss, then they could ease back into the top 10. Remember teams like USC, Texas, Oklahoma, Ohio State and a few others seem to get considered where others don't. Which leads into why certain teams get ranked above other teams as in your example; USC vs Washington.

 Michigan has a tougher October schedule. On the road to cross state rival Michigan State. Edge to Michigan, possible loss. On the road in Iowa City. Iowa has one of the best home records in the conference over the past few years. Iowa has a good team. Not a automatic win for either team here. Penn State plays in Ann Arbor this year. There are a lot of possible scenarios. Penn State loses this weekend. Then its Iowa, OSU and Michigan. But Iowa has one of the toughest road schedules in the country. That is the one instance of it coming down to Mich/OSU. There are a lot of ways it won't. Penn State wins, Michigan loses to either MSU, Penn State or Iowa. Then its Penn State and OSU. OSU loses to Wisconsin at home.
Title: Re: And they said Ohio State is over rank?!?
Post by: oakranger on September 23, 2009, 02:50:40 PM
I agree what you are saying there DMBEAR.  What are you opinion why teams like BYU, Houston or Washington rank higher then the team they just beat?  
Title: Re: And they said Ohio State is over rank?!?
Post by: alskahawk on September 23, 2009, 03:07:47 PM
 "So you tell me.  You have 2 teams that have 1 loss.  They happen to have played each other.  Who do you rank higher?  I'd choose the team that won.  I know that sounds crazy.

BYU should be ranked ahead of OU.  BYU is #19 OU is #10"

 We have seen this situation before, a smaller school from a smaller conference gets ranked until they meet a large conference powerhouse. Then they get blown out. It shouldn't be this way but it is, early losses count less than late season losses. Wins by small schools over big schools count less than wins between two powerhouses. Even though Washington beat USC their odds of winning the Pac 10 haven't improved that much. USC still has the best talent pool in the country. Put it this way. If you were going to bet either Washington or USC for the year. You get one team to put your money on every game for the year. Which team are you going to bet on? Washington?

Title: Re: And they said Ohio State is over rank?!?
Post by: DMBEAR on September 23, 2009, 03:10:16 PM
I think you misread what I wrote.  I do not consider that OSU will be top 5. I stated that. They may creep back into the top 10 because the voters, their schedule and lack of another loss. As for the loss to USC. If USC was the dominate team of past, then this loss to USC would may have been a lesser factor. An early year loss to the potential champion.  They should be outta the top 15 based on this year...not the past.
 So a average USC won over a average Ohio State team. I'd say a below average USC beat a below avg OSU as evidenced by USC losing to Washington and OSU almost blowing it at home to friggin Navy.  USC will probably still run the PAC 10 this year. What has made you believe this? History? They barely beat an overrated OSU or was it because they killeed San Jose St.  I know it wasn't their play against Washington. As far as the OSU vs Navy win. Yes they barely won. The first game of the season. Which is also why I don't give Alabama much props for the win over VT. You don't see the difference in beating Va tech on a neutral site from the #6 team barley beating unranked Navy at the Horseshoe?  The first game is an unknown for both teams. This is not to tear down Navy. They have actually made to a bowl game or two in the last couple of years.

 Now look at Ohio State's schedule. Their toughest game in October is Wisconsin. The Wisconsin game is a home game. Wisconsin will probably lose 2 or 3 games in conference this year. They also have Indiana, Purdue, New Mexico State and Minnesota in October. There is a chance they could lose to one of these teams. A very small chance. The probable scenerio is that, Ohio State gets into November without another loss, then they could ease back into the top 10. That would be fine if they were undefeated at THAT point.  My point is that they may well be in the top ten after this next week.  Remember teams like USC, Texas, Oklahoma, Ohio State and a few others seem to get considered where others don't. Which leads into why certain teams get ranked above other teams as in your example; USC vs Washington.   You really make my point for me here.  That is the definition of overrated.
 Michigan has a tougher October schedule. On the road to cross state rival Michigan State. Edge to Michigan, possible loss. On the road in Iowa City. Iowa has one of the best home records in the conference over the past few years. Iowa has a good team. Not a automatic win for either team here. Penn State plays in Ann Arbor this year. There are a lot of possible scenarios. Penn State loses this weekend. Then its Iowa, OSU and Michigan. But Iowa has one of the toughest road schedules in the country. That is the one instance of it coming down to Mich/OSU. There are a lot of ways it won't. Penn State wins, Michigan loses to either MSU, Penn State or Iowa. Then its Penn State and OSU. OSU loses to Wisconsin at home.

I guess you are ranking based with assumptions of what will happen.  I prefer ranking based on what has already happened.

Title: Re: And they said Ohio State is over rank?!?
Post by: DMBEAR on September 23, 2009, 03:26:04 PM
We have seen this situation before, a smaller school from a smaller conference gets ranked until they meet a large conference powerhouse. The school from the smaller conference BYU beat the Top 5 team from the BIG 12 OU. Then they get blown out. It shouldn't be this way but it is, early losses count less than late season losses. I guess thats the old system you are thinking of.  I'm an LSU fan.  They lost to Arkansas on the last game of the regular season the same year they won the National championship. Wins by small schools over big school count less than wins between two powerhouses. Even though Washington beat USC their odds of winning the Pac 10 haven't improved that much.  I'd say they have. USC still has the best talent pool in the country.  I guess Holliwood Carroll needs to quit peeing in it then, cause they keep losing to unranked teams. Put it this way. If you were going to bet either Washington or USC for the year. You get one team to put your money on every game for the year. Which team are you going to bet on? Washington?  I would have bet on USC...AND LOST.

Title: Re: And they said Ohio State is over rank?!?
Post by: DMBEAR on September 23, 2009, 03:43:06 PM
I agree what you are saying there DMBEAR.  What are you opinion why teams like BYU, Houston or Washington rank higher then the team they just beat?  

Houston(2-0) beat Ok st.(2-1) and is ranked behind them

BYU(2-1) beat OK(2-1) and is ranked behind them

Washington(2-1) beat USC(2-1) and is ranked behind them

Ohio st. Lost to a team that lost to Washington.   Ohio St. is ranked higher than Washington.    :rofl

Clearly, some teams are just overrated at the moment.  Can't we at least make them have to work their way back up? 

Does anyone really want to see OU or OSU lose in another BCS bowl this year?  It was funny the last 3 times, but now it's just getting old.  :rolleyes:
 :x
Title: Re: And they said Ohio State is over rank?!?
Post by: oakranger on September 23, 2009, 04:01:35 PM
Houston(2-0) beat Ok st.(2-1) and is ranked behind them

BYU(2-1) beat OK(2-1) and is ranked behind them

Washington(2-1) beat USC(2-1) and is ranked behind them

Ohio st. Lost to a team that lost to Washington.   Ohio St. is ranked higher than Washington.    :rofl

Clearly, some teams are just overrated at the moment.  Can't we at least make them have to work their way back up? 

Does anyone really want to see OU or OSU lose in another BCS bowl this year?  It was funny the last 3 times, but now it's just getting old.  :rolleyes:
 :x

I agree with what you are saying.  But like i say, don't blame it all on OU or OSU for being in the Bowls that they lost.  Blame the BCS system that put them there. 
Title: Re: And they said Ohio State is over rank?!?
Post by: DMBEAR on September 23, 2009, 04:05:57 PM
I agree with what you are saying.  But like i say, don't blame it all on OU or OSU for being in the Bowls that they lost.  Blame the BCS system that put them there. 

 :rofl  I just thought of a funny scenario.  All the other teams have two losses at the end of the year.  Oklahoma will end up playing Ohio St. for the national championship.  :O
Title: Re: And they said Ohio State is over rank?!?
Post by: alskahawk on September 23, 2009, 04:11:40 PM
 I didn't actually rank anyone. Re read what I wrote. I actually think we are saying the same thing. OSU is over rated. They will continue to be overrated. They will have the benefit of schedule in the Big Ten and because they are one of the favorites of the sporting voters they will probably creep back into the top 10. USC is in the same boat. But they have too much talent to consider that they will be a middle of pack team after one loss. And anointing Washington as heir apparent is presumptuous.  

  OSU in the top ten NEXT WEEK? That would be ridiculously stupid. What would the basis be to move them to the top 10? A win at home to Illinois? Ohio State may well have only one loss by November. You think Wisconsin is going to beat them at home? Possible not probable. Surely your not suggesting that Indiana, Minnesota, New Mexico State or Purdue are going to beat them? Believe me, I am a Big Ten guy. I cheer any conference team that beats OSU or Michigan. But I am not betting on that quartet of dogs.

 Now as far as Navy versus Ohio State. Alabama vs Va Tech. First game of the year. OSU should have won easily. They didn't. It was a sloppy win for the first game of the year. Alabama should have won easily. They came from behind and pulled it out in the fourth quarter. I think your over ranking Va Tech. VT is not that good a team this year. Their big win is against Nebraska. Nebraska may not even win the Big 12 north. And I don't think that either of us is calling Alabama into question.
Title: Re: And they said Ohio State is over rank?!?
Post by: oakranger on September 23, 2009, 04:24:01 PM
:rofl  I just thought of a funny scenario.  All the other teams have two losses at the end of the year.  Oklahoma will end up playing Ohio St. for the national championship.  :O

LOL, that would be a match that many ppl would want to see who really is over rated
Title: Re: And they said Ohio State is over rank?!?
Post by: oakranger on September 23, 2009, 04:27:00 PM
I didn't actually rank anyone. Re read what I wrote. I actually think we are saying the same thing. OSU is over rated. They will continue to be overrated. They will have the benefit of schedule in the Big Ten and because they are one of the favorites of the sporting voters they will probably creep back into the top 10. USC is in the same boat. But they have too much talent to consider that they will be a middle of pack team after one loss. And anointing Washington as heir apparent is presumptuous.  

  OSU in the top ten NEXT WEEK? That would be ridiculously stupid. What would the basis be to move them to the top 10? A win at home to Illinois? Ohio State may well have only one loss by November. You think Wisconsin is going to beat them at home? Possible not probable. Surely your not suggesting that Indiana, Minnesota, New Mexico State or Purdue are going to beat them? Believe me, I am a Big Ten guy. I cheer any conference team that beats OSU or Michigan. But I am not betting on that quartet of dogs.

 Now as far as Navy versus Ohio State. Alabama vs Va Tech. First game of the year. OSU should have won easily. They didn't. It was a sloppy win for the first game of the year. Alabama should have won easily. They came from behind and pulled it out in the fourth quarter. I think your over ranking Va Tech. VT is not that good a team this year. Their big win is against Nebraska. Nebraska may not even win the Big 12 north. And I don't think that either of us is calling Alabama into question.

I can see Wic and PSU giving them a really tough time, especially PSU.  Will OSU win the Big-10, no they will tie with PSU.  Then again i could be wrong with the whole thing.
Title: Re: And they said Ohio State is over rank?!?
Post by: DMBEAR on September 23, 2009, 04:30:20 PM
OSU in the top ten NEXT WEEK? That would be ridiculously stupid. What would the basis be to move them to the top 10?

Easy
1st. Virginia Tech plays Miami.  One of them will fall behind OSU when they lose.

2nd. It's possible Cal @Oregon results in Cal outta the top 10

3rd. All 4 SEC schools are playing conference games.  As you said before...
"Alabama, Florida, LSU. What can you say? SEC schedule. It beats up teams and spits out champions."

All they have to do is move up 3 spots. 

Ridiculously stupid? :huh

Title: Re: And they said Ohio State is over rank?!?
Post by: alskahawk on September 23, 2009, 05:49:13 PM
  RE; Oak ranger; Ohio State plays PSU in November.  We were discussing OSU's October schedule. Wisconsin should be a win at home.

 As per DMBEAR's possible OSU ranking top ten next week. I can see that. I haven't seen Miami play yet. But Va Tech is another over rated team. As I wrote before I thought Cal was over rated. Ohio State moving up. Ok,   not "Ridiculously stupid", but definitely far fetched.
 
 So with your thought process, both Cal and Miami have to lose with a possibility of a SEC team getting nipped. Both Miami and Cal losing is a stretch. A SEC team losing quite possible. Still don't see it moving OSU up past 11.
 
Better possibility; Iowa wins at Penn State. A SEC team loses. The loser of Miami/VT drops behind OSU. 
 
Title: Re: And they said Ohio State is over rank?!?
Post by: JunkyII on September 23, 2009, 05:51:00 PM
Ohio = crap box of Maryland


The C&O and B&O was made so we can send you our crap :devil
Title: Re: And they said Ohio State is over rank?!?
Post by: DMBEAR on September 23, 2009, 06:29:28 PM
 
Better possibility; Iowa wins at Penn State.

So you are adding another possibility to prove my point.
Title: Re: And they said Ohio State is over rank?!?
Post by: alskahawk on September 24, 2009, 01:07:10 AM
 Better possibility. But still won't get OSU into top ten next week. Move them up a couple of spots maybe.
Title: Re: And they said Ohio State is over rank?!?
Post by: DMBEAR on September 26, 2009, 05:43:09 PM
 RE; Oak ranger; Ohio State plays PSU in November.  We were discussing OSU's October schedule. Wisconsin should be a win at home.

 As per DMBEAR's possible OSU ranking top ten next week. I can see that. I haven't seen Miami play yet. But Va Tech is another over rated team. As I wrote before I thought Cal was over rated. Ohio State moving up. Ok,   not "Ridiculously stupid", but definitely far fetched.
 
 So with your thought process, both Cal and Miami have to lose with a possibility of a SEC team getting nipped. Both Miami and Cal losing is a stretch. A SEC team losing quite possible. Still don't see it moving OSU up past 11.
 
Better possibility; Iowa wins at Penn State. A SEC team loses. The loser of Miami/VT drops behind OSU.  
  

You just had to keep trying to find fault in what I predicted. I don't have to even type out what happened.  I'll just show you my quote with all the possibilities that I laid out before the games took place today...

Easy
1st. Virginia Tech plays Miami.  One of them will fall behind OSU when they lose.

2nd. It's possible Cal @Oregon results in Cal outta the top 10

3rd. All 4 SEC schools are playing conference games.  As you said before...
Alabama, Florida, LSU. What can you say? SEC schedule. It beats up teams and spits out champions.

All they have to do is move up 3 spots.  

Ridiculously stupid? :huh

Hot Damn! I was right on the money.

F   O   R               T        H        E                               Win.   :aok
Title: Re: And they said Ohio State is over rank?!?
Post by: TwinEng on September 26, 2009, 06:25:52 PM

With Oregon out of the question, Cal does have a good chance. Cal has the defense for a national championship, Jahvid Best is probably the best running back in college football, just wondering if the QB can stand the pressure.....



Well, Oregon's crushing 42-3 defeat of California today obviously proves your analysis quite wrong.

I've never seen a more one sided college game before.

Next week's USC vs Cal game is now going to be super interesting.   With both teams already having one loss, neither team will be able to afford to lose another game at this point in the season.   The game will be a "must win" for both teams.



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Title: Re: And they said Ohio State is over rank?!?
Post by: oakranger on September 26, 2009, 07:10:19 PM
WOW!  I did not think they would blow away Illinois like that.  Sh*t!   I hope PSU win tonight too.
Title: Re: And they said Ohio State is over rank?!?
Post by: DMBEAR on September 27, 2009, 12:39:27 PM
Ohio St. #9 in both AP and Coaches polls.  :rolleyes:

 :noid
Title: Re: And they said Ohio State is over rank?!?
Post by: oakranger on September 27, 2009, 09:07:53 PM
Ohio St. #9 in both AP and Coaches polls.  :rolleyes:

 :noid

Where you inspecting them 8 or 7 or still over rated?
Title: Re: And they said Ohio State is over rank?!?
Post by: DMBEAR on September 27, 2009, 09:16:18 PM
Where you inspecting them 8 or 7 or still over rated?

I can't keep explaining my point.  It's futile.

OSU is "over rank"  They say it because it's true.

Good Luck in your bowl failure Overrated St. University.