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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: BnZs on October 08, 2009, 11:59:27 PM
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Its worth having. It is the first USAAF plane worth an ENY price of 5. First USAAF plane whose all-around abilities really put it somewhere near the league of the other nation's best LW fighters on the deck. The non-WEP advantage over the N really helps. Firepower, roll rate, some fairly decent turning ability, and dash of very fast speed. It is not in the league of Spit16, La7, possibly not even the D9 or K4, but it'll do.
Strange as this sounds to say about a Jug, I think it may become the USAAF plane used most for base defense. 25% and 267rpgs gives a full throttle time of 15 minutes with an initial climb rate of nearly 4,000 fpm, and not inconsiderable turn, plus the speed, roll, and firepower.
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The acceleration is probably what I've noticed the most. With WEP, and low weight, this thing starts behaving very well. Certainly at low weights, its going to have very competitive performance.
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lol LWB was mostly 47Ms at 15k or higher.
Can't believe they did not try to fill plansets for scenarios.
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BNZ,
I'm betting most of tonights big number of kills landed by everyone were as vulches. It does appere to go from 250\300 to 400 in moments in a short shallow dive. And from 300 to 500+ dropping on a 262 from 2k up faster than 262 drivers thought it could. From 7k down to a 1k con vulch it drops in so fast many players havent got a feel for it's timing yet. Saw alot of players get picked not timeing their turns right. In a week everyone will have the timing. Once the cons started getting a bit of altituide to turn into E, an inexperienced JUGG driver was an inexperienced JUGG driver. I watched as many 47M's get kills as I watched 47M's lawndart or beleive on the deck they could use WEP to make them fly like spits until the slow air under their wing dumped them in the dirt...
Low and slow with flaps and WEP it flys a bit better than the D40. It's best asset is it's speed and holding on to it. I was catching them with a Yak9U.
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I flew a few sorties , looks like it has some potential.
Shuffler Pyro covered that in another thread. P47m was basically done already Greebo skinned it. Verses modeling a whole new plane.
<S>
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lol LWB was mostly 47Ms at 15k or higher.
Can't believe they did not try to fill plansets for scenarios.
I think they put it in because they already have a P-47 model to work off of, and they just had to change the performance. So, we atleast had a new plane with the new version, instead of just a bunch of fixed bugs.
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All I know is there were lots of em up.
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flew one sortie, its fun, its a Jug. Saw alot of them,killed by some, killed some. I think this kid has a future in AH.
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All I know is there were lots of em up.
And I like it :)
Definitely gonna be one of my main MA rides.
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"Can't believe they did not try to fill plansets for scenarios."
That's what I was thinking too...
Well, I guess it is just good marketing filling the planeset with planes the majority of the player base is interested of. After all the scenarios only have a marginal role in what people like to play.
Bring in F86!
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"Can't believe they did not try to fill plansets for scenarios."
After all the scenarios only have a marginal role in what people like to play.
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I'm not a computer programmer, but I don't have to be in order to know that adding a variant like the P-47M is easy compared to modeling a new aircraft. The 3D model was already there in the P-47D-40, and the engine was there in the P-47N.
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Awesome ride! Caz and I did some research in the TA last night between the M and N. Equal fuel and gun package and using auto takeoff, the M got to 9850 ft in 3 min and was climbing at 3800 ft/min while the Caz in the N was looking at my belly from @ 1000 ft below me. Jumped into the MA after that for a few sorties.
I was impressed to see more JUGS in the MA than at a H :O Ters convention.
:airplane:
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I took the new P-47M up to 13000 ft put it in a dive with wep I got it up to 586 mph true speed and recovered from it with no damage it is a beast. I do a lot ord killing runs and will likely still use the P-51 for that since the P-47m has no ords. I think the fighter jocks will find good use for the M model. With 8 Mg's and the clime rate range and speed I may try it out as a bomber hunter.
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I do a lot ord killing runs and will likely still use the P-51 for that since the P-47m has no ords. I think the fighter jocks will find good use for the M model.
Ultimately, as far as in-game goes, I'm glad they left off the ord, so the bomb-truckers suicide porking bases don't screw up the final ENY number of the aircraft.
Stoney, this time I am in complete agreement with you. :cheers:
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Yeah, I think it's beautiful that they didn't give the M any ordinance...
If you see one, you know there's only one reason why it's there... :rock
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*Sits back and waits for the "Perk the 47M!!!!11!1!!!111!!!" whines*
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i flew it last night, it was a blast! :banana:
i went afk for to long and got it to 40,000 feet no problem, put it in a shallow dive to 38,000 and leveled off, ran the wep out and clocked it at 493 mph in level flight after 2 minutes! that's movin on! high alt . bombing just got alot more dangerous! :airplane:
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The P47M isn't work perking, it's fine as it is.
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I am not a big Jug fan, but the M may make me think twice. A very fun plane to fly and fight. It's like a pregnant Spitfire! :x
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Kazaa,
I'm not saying *I* think it should be perked (when you get right down to it, it's still a Jug). Just getting a jump on the whines. :D
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i flew it last night, it was a blast! :banana:
i went afk for to long and got it to 40,000 feet no problem, put it in a shallow dive to 38,000 and leveled off, ran the wep out and clocked it at 493 mph in level flight after 2 minutes! that's movin on! high alt . bombing just got alot more dangerous! :airplane:
This is one thing that needs to be fixed then. It shouldn't be able to sustain 493 mph in level flight. That's around 20 mph faster than any documented test. To be honest, I haven't done too much testing of the Jug at those types of altitudes, but there was an RPM limit on the turbo that would basically be exceeded if you ran WOT at that altitude. Ironically, critical altitude in the Jug was basically set by the turbo RPM limit, and not because the turbo ran out of schlitz.
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*Sits back and waits for the "Perk the 47M!!!!11!1!!!111!!!" whines*
Based on the way they were being flown last night, I'd say no worries about perking it. No reason too.
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The M does have a very high K/D ratio after 1 day of flying. whats funny is the most killed plane buy the M is the M it self.
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The "M" has over 2000 kills in less than a day. :O
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This is one thing that needs to be fixed then. It shouldn't be able to sustain 493 mph in level flight. That's around 20 mph faster than any documented test. To be honest, I haven't done too much testing of the Jug at those types of altitudes, but there was an RPM limit on the turbo that would basically be exceeded if you ran WOT at that altitude. Ironically, critical altitude in the Jug was basically set by the turbo RPM limit, and not because the turbo ran out of schlitz.
well it was not a vey exacting test! i was closing the store up and could be a little wrong on the numbers,
( being the braggerd that i am sometimes) :old:
but she was moving on i was suprised to see how easy she climbed up there tho!
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I flew it with low fuel loadout. Was out turning a 51D on the deak, while ducking a BnZ'n La7. Killed the LA after chewing the pony up, in a the lateral scissors. Great acceleration from full flap to 0 flaps +wep.
It's a pretty nice bird. :cheers: HTC
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*Sits back and waits for the "Perk the 47M!!!!11!1!!!111!!!" whines*
I'm not saying *I* think it should be perked (when you get right down to it, it's still a Jug). Just getting a jump on the whines. :D
Yep, and this is somewhat hillarious considering what you said about the Brewster and the EW just a few days after Brewster's inclusion...
I'm calling it now: Perk on the Brewster in EARLY WAR ARENA.
:)
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"It just does die like any other 47"
"Everybody is flying it now, but soon it will sink into obscurity"
That's two of many similar comments I read on 200 last night. And I disagree thoroughly with them.
The P47M has made the most spectacular entry into AH since the introduction of the Spitfire XVI four years ago, getting about 20% of all kills (planes only).
During 8 days if this tour, the Spit VIII & IX got ~ 2500 kills each, the P-47 M & D40 about 1000 each, the P-51D ~6000.
During the last 21 hours, the 47M got more than 2000 kills. The 51D only ~500.
Now we know everyone is trying a new plane the first few days... but usually people die in it a lot, and finally go back to their usual rides for the most part.
But they are not dying in the 47M! (yes, it's an exaggeration)
Despite drawing huge number of players (and particularly a huge number of player not used to flying 47's), it has a very high K/D of 1.48. If you look at the ATA kills & deaths only, and remove 47Mvs47M kills to see how it fares against all other aircraft, it's getting to 1.78 even
Currently the 47M is simply blowing the opposition away :eek:
Of course these numbers will drop down again... But after looking at those numbers and examining the perfomance of the 47M I do think the M will be a very, very common sight in AH. I even predict the 51D losing it's #1 spot on being "most used" plane to the Spit 16, due toa large number of players migrating to the 47M.
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I saw a lot of people dying to the 47M because they thought they could outrun it in their Typhoon, P-51, etc.
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(http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh121/purplehaze835/p47M.jpg)
Safe to say we get along pretty well....
I love this plane....it will do everything the P-51B will do in a turn fight but has eight 50's!
:aok :x :aok
Strip
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Of course these numbers will drop down again... But after looking at those numbers and examining the perfomance of the 47M I do think the M will be a very, very common sight in AH. I even predict the 51D losing it's #1 spot on being "most used" plane to the Spit 16, due toa large number of players migrating to the 47M.
Yep. Don't think it will supplant the 51, but it will result in the Spit16 taking the top spot. Jugs are fun, both in-game and out. :D
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Well, let's give it a couple revisions before making any permanent assessments as any number of things could change (there's already some known bugs reported with fuel loads, MAP is out of calibration, conflicting information about whether it had 6 or 8 guns, or whether they ever carried the large ammunition load, etc).
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1.5 k/d right now, and its largest number of kills by aircraft type were instances of cannibalism.
People are going to adjust to the P-47M just like they adjusted to the B-239, which you rarely see anymore. The P-47M will always be a main arena presence from now on, but once people stop running from it and show it some healthy respect, we'll like see it's K/D ratio at around 1.15-1.25.
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People are going to adjust to the P-47M just like they adjusted to the B-239, which you rarely see anymore.
I don't think we can compare this in any way. The 239 can be outrun by almost anything ;)
And it didn't see so much usage and that kind of success even in the 1st 24H
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She's a beast of a performer no question but she's still a P-47. Nailed a lot of jugs this morning due to their assumption that the P-47M is going to out turn or hang with a 38 deck low. She's still a fat pig but she's just as agile but once your E is gone then she's on the chopping block.
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She's a beast of a performer no question but she's still a P-47. Nailed a lot of jugs this morning due to their assumption that the P-47M is going to out turn or hang with a 38 deck low. She's still a fat pig but she's just as agile but once your E is gone then she's on the chopping block.
That statement pretty much sums it up. It will excel in situations where it can keep above and maintain its airspeed, but it's still a P-47: drag her in close and turn her to death.
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I don't think we can compare this in any way. The 239 can be outrun by almost anything ;)
And it didn't see so much usage and that kind of success even in the 1st 24H
It's a comparison of opposites. Almost nothing can out-turn the B-239, and it took the Spit pilots a while to stop trying. It's going to take a similar duration of time for people to learn how to fight the 47M.
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Basically, it's going to take P-51 and Typhoon pilots a while to stop trying to out-run it. ;)
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Basically, it's going to take P-51 and Typhoon pilots a while to stop trying to out-run it. ;)
Yup. :banana:
Maybe add 190D-9/109K-4 pilots to that list, too, although the 109K-4/190D-9 are still a bit faster at lower altitudes. Trying to run away from a 47M that has any speed built up will be futile.
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I completely disagree with the low and slow statement. The M is a beast low and slow in the turn fight if your at all a good pilot. twice I beat spit16's on the deck in complete at stall speeds fight. thought that was odd so upped with a squaddy (wrag) him in a 47m me in a g2, right after takeoff slow on the deck, and we both had shots and were about equal, we then switched planes and same thing, 50% fuel in the 47m 50% G2. I would also consider Wrag one of the top pilots in the game. I don’t think I'm to shabby either. You cannot underestimate the M down low and slow if the pilot knows how to handle it. I have 3 kills of seafires in turn fights with them. currently 35 to 5 kill to deaths with 3 of those deaths comming to walking away from the keyboard to help with my 4 month old son.
I would say the M is one of the most stable planes at stall speed.
Skyhawk
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I would say the M is one of the most stable planes at stall speed.
Skyhawk
All P-47s are stable at stall speed--they're incredibly stable in pretty much every phase of flight. The problem with the D-models is that they lack the power to sustain slow speed maneuvers while lugging all that weight around. Without WEP, the M is basically a D-40 on military.
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All P-47s are stable at stall speed--they're incredibly stable in pretty much every phase of flight. The problem with the D-models is that they lack the power to sustain slow speed maneuvers while lugging all that weight around. Without WEP, the M is basically a D-40 on military.
So it is like the Spit XIV, a monster when it has WEP and nothing special when WEP runs out?
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Not everyone is trying it.
So far if they stay and fight they die. If they run then come back when your fighting others they may get a kill.
Just another B&Zer so far.
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Not everyone is trying it.
So far if they stay and fight they die. If they run then come back when your fighting others they may get a kill.
Just another B&Zer so far.
This may change a bit at extremely hight altitudes (25,000ft and higher) but definitely would hold true at typical MA altitudes.
She's going to be REALLY popular in late-war Western Front FSOs if they ever use her.
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That statement pretty much sums it up. It will excel in situations where it can keep above and maintain its airspeed, but it's still a P-47: drag her in close and turn her to death.
I disagree totally!!!
I do not like any of the other jugs, Hurri was my main ride, not any more :aok
27 killz in M, 6 deaths. (last night) no not one vulch, I flew it the same way I fly the hurri, or any other plane im in.
she is a beast,
and with my Horrible targeting skillz the amount of ammo is awesome,
if you guys think "oh it's just another jug" :rofl
be prepared to have that 38 or spit or LA , being sawed in half, quit often, last night all of those and many more fell the this "Ariel buzz saw"
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I flew the P-47M around some yesterday to get a feel for it. Today I used it on 3 sorties and got 5 kills and no deaths in it. I never use the P-47 as a fighter on less I am on a bombing run and just have to fight in it and then only if ENY is to high for a P-51D. This new 47 may change my mind about that. I don't want to rave to much about it or it will end up perked.
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I disagree totally!!!
I do not like any of the other jugs, Hurri was my main ride, not any more :aok
27 killz in M, 6 deaths. (last night) no not one vulch, I flew it the same way I fly the hurri, or any other plane im in.
she is a beast,
and with my Horrible targeting skillz the amount of ammo is awesome,
if you guys think "oh it's just another jug" :rofl
be prepared to have that 38 or spit or LA , being sawed in half, quit often, last night all of those and many more fell the this "Ariel buzz saw"
Yes, people underestimate the turning and slow-flying ability of a Jug, when in fact the data shows the D-40 has a smaller full-flaps radius than the P-38L. Using energy and turn *rate* against the Jug's lack of thrust/weight counters the situation fairly easily for the expert in most planes (less true with the new M of course), but the inexpert who think they'll easily own the Jug in the horizontal with a 51, La, etc, are mistaken.
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My impressions so far vs the N:
The M feels much more floaty, the N much more linear
The N I feel is better suited for pure BnZ
The M and N are about equal in E fights as long as you are more gentle on the controls if in an M)
The M definately turns better at high speeds, but burns off E quicker because of it, almost deceptively so
I'd take up the N over the M for pure lone-wolf flying and working the edges of a horde
I'd take up the M over the N for knife fighting
If I was in a situation that I needed to cause an overshoots, I'd rather be in an N
If I was caught slow vs more than one con above 6000ft I'd prefer the N, below 6000ft I'd prefer the M
I'd rather rolling scissor in the N than M
If I was forced to stall fight, I'd rather be in the M
If I was hunting buffs, I'd much rather be in an N, it's more linear flying makes it much easier to line up those 800-1k cockpit shots or wing root shots on b24s
Survivability IMO goes to the N; the way it handles helps you conserve E much easier
For someone who wants to start flying jugs I'd tell them to start with the N, it's much better at teaching you the limitations of a jug than the M.
I'd suggest the M for folks more experienced in the 47 planeset
In the end though, they are both jugs. You have to really be conscious of your E state and keep your SA up. People tend to dive on low jugs almost as much as a 110 or similar plane for an easy kill. 47 series is a set you need to fly with some patience because once wep runs out you are in trouble if caught slow.
It feels closest to me(please be gentle SAPPers) that the M is to the 38g as the N is to the 38L.
Overall I am very, very happy with the addition of a new jug, has been my main ride for years now and I have no regrets about keeping my account active even if I stopped playing for 6+ months at a time. HTC really showed the jug pilots some love and it's muchly appreciated!
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She's a beast of a performer no question but she's still a P-47. Nailed a lot of jugs this morning due to their assumption that the P-47M is going to out turn or hang with a 38 deck low. She's still a fat pig but she's just as agile but once your E is gone then she's on the chopping block.
quoted for truth
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So it is like the Spit XIV, a monster when it has WEP and nothing special when WEP runs out?
That's probably an accurate relative comparison.
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Everyone had gone to bed it seemed, so I dropped into the DA to see if all that I read about it here was true. The answer to that was yes and no, but I saw Creton there and we had an unusual duel away from everyone else. By chance I had upped an I16, and Creton had one of the new 47Ms.
Being the sport that he is, he didn't b&z me, which would have been the logical thing to do, given the mismatch in aircraft capabilities. Instead he dropped flaps and fought it out on the I16's terms. We had quite a long and exciting fight that way, which ended when I lost control of the I16 and ate a tree.
Creton, of course, is a much better pilot than I am, but putting that aside, I was amazed by the M's low-speed performance. I'm quite certain that I've never seen any other 1945 fighter do what Creton did in that M. It very nearly matched the Mosca in turns, and the power let it stay co-alt or better.
I know that when we have them in AvA, I'm going to enjoy flying the M. Really quite an amazing display.
- oldman
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The K/D riot will be interesting to see on the M. I been seeing a lot of ppl landing 5-10 kills in it.
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I was a little pissy about the fact that it was another US plane addition. After further thought and killing, I love it. :cheers:
I never really flew the jugs much at all, as far as I was concerned they were Jabos. When I did take one up I found that they weren't bad but just couldn't hang with some of the other uber late war rides the la 7's , spit 16's , k4's etc etc.
The M seems to take the best from each of the other jug variants and roll it all up into one badass plane. I would go as far to say as non perked rides go it is now one of the best, (if not thee best) A2A fighter for late war Main arena usage. The fuel and ammo lasts forever, it is durable, it rolls well has speed and climb, the slow speed handling is good with flap work. Two of these flying wingman has even more potential. Double figure runs guaranteed.
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In the pure fighter role it probably is the best USAAF plane....
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How many models of the P47 do we need? I realize it was a snap to add. Throw a M model skin on a D40 shape
and change performance. What next? We missing a 109 model in the inventory? How many of one model do we really need?
Just another added to the line, latest, greatest, run and gunner. The M model had very little effect if any on the
outcome of WWII. There are glaring..and I mean huge glaring holes in the planeset.
I personally don't need or want the mostest, greatest, fastest, with 62 machine guns or 18 cannons. What this does is add
to the feeding frenzy.
The M model is beautiful I agree. I use the Jug in game predominantly. There are few of us that do!
I will continue with the D40, D11, and an occasional N sortie.
I still will continue to wish for aircraft that are early to midwar. Aircraft that actually had an impact on the
outcome of the war.
Aircraft that imho had no effect on the outcome in WWII.
Ta152, C-Hog, P47M, Me262, Me163, maybe the P47N (although they were available in greater number then the M)
the P47N arrived in the PAC when basically air supremacy was already with the Allies.
Why don't we throw the above aircraft into their own arena and see how many will come?
We need Russian bombers and fighters, same with the Japanese planeset which along with the Russian
planeset has been lacking for years. He111 anyone? Bueller? Bueller? Pe2? Betty???? Bueller? Bueller?
Ki100? Don't give me this no one will fly it.....ya get the latest, greatest, most fastest run and gunnerz
some of us would like something a bit different that actually flew in great numbers and had an impact
on the outcome of which this flightsim is based. Not to mention the Beaufighter! Geez....the Beau
flew in all theaters of the war and had a large impact on the outcome of WWII. Quite frankly the M Jug
and a lot of other aircraft in this game did not.
Some of us like the "possible" historic part of the game. FSO somewhat historical, Scenarios are as close
as accurate as the CMs can make them. Why should we have to substitute aircraft in Scenarios?
For instance....if the P47M would be added into a Scenario, along with the Ta152, it would have to be
in a very very narrow timeframe, and in very low number. This fact would clearly point out their importance
to the outcome of WWII. (there were more 262s' then ta152s)
This of course is my opinion and should be regarded as such.
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How many models of the P47 do we need? I realize it was a snap to add. Throw a M model skin on a D40 shape
and change performance. What next? We missing a 109 model in the inventory? How many of one model do we really need?
Yes, we are missing some 109s. It would be good for scenarios and FSOs to also have the E-7, F2, G-6/AS, and G-10. I can think of some 190 variants we're missing too.
For my part, if they're easy to add, the more variants the better. In the case of the P-47M, most of the people I've seen flying it have been fighting with it, not merely gun and running. Sure they're are some who just HO and keep going to try to HO someone else, but that has nothing to do with plane and everything to do with the pilot. So I'm happy with the P-47M. It's a new kick-ass ride that's fun to fly, and a challenge to fight. I'm all for any easily added variant that raises my pulse a few notches again, which so rarely happens to me in the main arena.
That's my opinion Hajo. :)
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Did it ever occur to people that different people make the 3D models and the flight models? If Pyro had nothing to do while waiting on the 3D guys....WHY NOT make another plane? I would not be surprised if this is the case, it makes sense to keep people busy. Pyro said it best,"So you what your saying is you would rather having nothing verses having something." (something to that effect anyway)
I love the 47M and if fills a big time role in my flying style, its everything I want in a plane.
:rock :salute
Strip
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what do you think anaxogoras the FW a-7 and a-9? not sure what the criteria is though ...
as far as the juggs go they should be a great k/d choice as the juggs flown to their strengths should be untouchable. it dominates the high ground, can pick it's fights, and extend from anything co e with the possible exception of the jet and rocket.
the juggs should rule.
Yes, we are missing some 109s. It would be good for scenarios and FSOs to also have the E-7, F2, G-6/AS, and G-10. I can think of some 190 variants we're missing too.
For my part, if they're easy to add, the more variants the better. In the case of the P-47M, most of the people I've seen flying it have been fighting with it, not merely gun and running. Sure they're are some who just HO and keep going to try to HO someone else, but that has nothing to do with plane and everything to do with the pilot. So I'm happy with the P-47M. It's a new kick-ass ride that's fun to fly, and a challenge to fight. I'm all for any easily added variant that raises my pulse a few notches again, which so rarely happens to me in the main arena.
That's my opinion Hajo. :)
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what do you think anaxogoras the FW a-7 and a-9? not sure what the criteria is though ...
A-9, yes, but also the A-6, A-4, A-3 and even the A-2.
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I think the 152 will give it a run for it's money up there above the clouds. It should prove to be some damn good fights up there between these 2 planes :x
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I think the 152 will give it a run for it's money up there above the clouds. It should prove to be some damn good fights up there between these 2 planes :x
So will the F4u4. :aok
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I think the 152 will give it a run for it's money up there above the clouds.
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/newscores/genchart.php?p1=102&p2=40&pw=1>ype=0)
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/newscores/genchart.php?p1=102&p2=40&pw=1>ype=2)
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I joined a 1v1 fight with a K-4 the other day. The K-4 enemy pilot did one of those zoom and boom runs on a friendly pilot and finished with a vertical climb to escape. Normally I would NOT climb with one, but I just happen to be in a 47M with about 300-350 knots. I decided to see what this baby (47M) can do. Normally the K-4 would out climb anything, but not this day. I WEP’d up the 47M and had no problems catching the K-4 in a long vertical climb. By the time the K-9 rolled out of the climb I managed to get within 400 yards closing distance while maintaining a steady 200 knots. Let’s just say the K-9 pilot didn’t land any kills that sortie with my 8-50’s pointing at him.
Whatch out K-4 pilots, you have a new kid on the block.
I also had skirmishes with 152’s and a F4U-4 while flying the 47M. The 2-3 152’s got a few hits on me each time, but I laughed it off after accelerating away. I had an interesting fight with a -4 pilot near the deck. The -4 pilot and I HO’d each other 3 times in a row. Neither of us scored more than a few scratches on the other. The 47M had no problems turning with the -4. After the three passes I decided to end the fight and accelerated towards a home base. I don’t think the -4 pilot was very experienced, but what a nice encounter.
Also, the 47M reminds me a little of my Blue V8 1998 Lincoln Continental. It rides nice and smooth with a little extra horsepower in reserve.
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"So will the F4u4."
Oh yeah. I forgot about the fantasy-land aspect of AH. :(
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Ya, those F4U-4s had a rep for being quite slow and underpowered. :huh
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To many running p47s last night if you ask me ! :rolleyes: vulch, vulch ohh noes a plane co alt! AHHHHHH. :bolt:
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So far, not impressed.
Just another plane that folks run away in. Get co-alt in anything, they drop the nose and run. For all the posts that say how wonderful a fighter it is...I've yet to see more than one pilot actually dogfight in it. I posted 5 kills against it in a couple hours, versus 2 deaths from 47M's that screamed in with 8K+ alt advantages.....
I guess, I'm not impressed by the way they're flying it, in all fairness.
The plane is probably great. I mean, the 39th American ride (29th? aircraft) in the set and all......something to be said for that. <shrug>
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Lusche, the Ta-152's real strength, amazing E retention under Gs, doesn't show up on the chart. P-51Ds aren't usually that hard with the Ta-152, so I doubt P-47Ms will be. I mean, I like this thing alot, but when I think about it objectively, the 47M still isn't faster than a Pony below 12K where most of the action is, and it still doesn't climb like a 38.
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/newscores/genchart.php?p1=102&p2=40&pw=1>ype=0)
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/newscores/genchart.php?p1=102&p2=40&pw=1>ype=2)
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what do you think anaxogoras the FW a-7 and a-9? not sure what the criteria is though ...
The only two additions that could possibly make me happier than the P-47M...but hell, I'd take an A-5 that wasn't too slow... :D
as far as the juggs go they should be a great k/d choice as the juggs flown to their strengths should be untouchable. it dominates the high ground, can pick it's fights, and extend from anything co e with the possible exception of the jet and rocket.
the juggs should rule.
Thats an exaggeration. The M is actually a little slower than the P-51D below 12K, where conservatively 80-90% of the action takes place. Its easy to say a plane should be "untouchable", but to actually kill something more than every once in a blue moon in you can't confine yourself to 500mph passes and zooms, you've got to actually maneuver, and thus become vulnerable to other bandits.
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I think they put it in because they already have a P-47 model to work off of, and they just had to change the performance. So, we atleast had a new plane with the new version, instead of just a bunch of fixed bugs.
Or becouse you get/keep customers only with very late war monsters for the late war arena .... ?
Obviously it carries more $$$ than filling the gaps in the scenarios plane set (He111, Dornier 17, Fiat G.55, SM.79, medium RAF bombers, Macchi C.200 ...) and/or redoing late '90's cockpit graphics.
Wheres the old good rolling eyes?
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So far, not impressed.
Just another plane that folks run away in. Get co-alt in anything, they drop the nose and run. For all the posts that say how wonderful a fighter it is...I've yet to see more than one pilot actually dogfight in it. I posted 5 kills against it in a couple hours, versus 2 deaths from 47M's that screamed in with 8K+ alt advantages.....
I guess, I'm not impressed by the way they're flying it, in all fairness.
The plane is probably great. I mean, the 39th American ride (29th? aircraft) in the set and all......something to be said for that. <shrug>
That what the game needs, some gizmo that make people fight ! Kinda like the James Bond movie with the game of "World domination". Instead of the voltage going up the more you loose, it should climb the more you run :devil
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or a8 that wasn't too heavy :aok ...
i think it just comes down to discipline you may not get all the kills you want but you are still untouchable in your envelope, high and fast only the rocket and maybe the ta152 should pose a threat to a disciplined p47 driver who maintains SA and sticks to his envelope. that is TRW of course, i am not that experienced with the AH set.
up really high the jug is still actually "flying" while all but a couple are wallowing around just managing to stay afloat.
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The only two additions that could possibly make me happier than the P-47M...but hell, I'd take an A-5 that wasn't too slow... :D
Thats an exaggeration. The M is actually a little slower than the P-51D below 12K, where conservatively 80-90% of the action takes place. Its easy to say a plane should be "untouchable", but to actually kill something more than every once in a blue moon in you can't confine yourself to 500mph passes and zooms, you've got to actually maneuver, and thus become vulnerable to other bandits.
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Well, finally had a chance to run into a couple 47Ms today. Unfortunately I wasn't able to get TOO much of an impression from them in the couple encounters I had, as they were large furballs where I couldn't really slow down to mix it up with them. Only landed a couple snapshots on the tail feathers of two with my 1A (although to give some credit to the 47M, against the other Jugs it probably would have been a nice full-plane shot into their wings or cockpit as they turned across my sights). Oddly, I didn't knock any pieces off but I still got the kills on BOTH.
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This is one thing that needs to be fixed then. It shouldn't be able to sustain 493 mph in level flight. That's around 20 mph faster than any documented test. To be honest, I haven't done too much testing of the Jug at those types of altitudes, but there was an RPM limit on the turbo that would basically be exceeded if you ran WOT at that altitude. Ironically, critical altitude in the Jug was basically set by the turbo RPM limit, and not because the turbo ran out of schlitz.
The M can't sustain that speed at all. I've tested it from 40k down to sea level. At 40k, it will maintain 446 mph. 455 mph at 38k. At 32k, it will maintain 477 mph TAS. 368 mph at sea level, 401 mph at 10k. Acceleration at sea level isn't stunning, it's still a big, heavy fighter. Nonetheless, it is about equal to the Yak-9U from 150 to 250 mph.
My regards,
Widewing
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The M is actually a little slower than the P-51D below 12K, where conservatively 80-90% of the action takes place. Its easy to say a plane should be "untouchable", but to actually kill something more than every once in a blue moon in you can't confine yourself to 500mph passes and zooms, you've got to actually maneuver, and thus become vulnerable to other bandits.
the fact that it is strong up high and can zoom down into the lower alt and back up with ease will help to force the fight up higher,
or risk getting BnZed!
it has already changed what i see as far as alt of fights.
it may not be any better than some of the fighters at lower alt. , but the fact that it climbs very well, will have people upping from more distant bases, and climbing to a more "social" alt. were it is safer! the game play is not static! if you bring in planes that fight better at alt. you will get more fights at alt, changing the way we play is what it is doing for now! that may or may not last, but if you start flying lower, not expexting the "m" to be there, A flash in the pan, so to speak, the "m" drivers are gonna eat you up! atleast the good ones who use it as it is supposed to be used!
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Whiskey,
I doubt there will be a long-term effect, as we already have a number of planes effective at higher altitudes (Ta-152, the P-51, P-47s in general, hell most of the later American Iron) but that hasn't moved fights up.
Fight altitudes are always going to be dependent on the map far more than the plane set. Maps with bases further away just naturally drive things higher, while closer bases concentrate things down low. And I was taking off a base further back for a climb to 15-18k even before the M (looking out for high P-51s entering the fight). Even with the planes we had, most cases all you found at 20k were a few Ponies and Typhoons/Tempests looking for an easy pick 10,000ft below them. Even BUFFs rarely fly above 15k in the Mains.
Incidentally, of the Ms I've seen almost all were entering the fight under 10k. However that may have just been the results of the local theater I was fighting in (A19-A1 furball in LWB on Uterus, which is generally a low-alt fight anyway).
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Was playing with M in DA, got the thing up to 575 in dive and still had mild control...(started groaning at 500, shaking at mebbe 525) Yanked it straight up with manual trim :airplane: