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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: StokesAk on October 16, 2009, 01:00:38 PM
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I searched and couldnt find anything about the goon being updated so...
Update our goon! :cheers:
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How detailed do you need a coffin to be?
Seriously, though, it would be nice. I've been aboard one of the flying museum C-47s and ours is rather under-modeled.
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Well now I feel like taking a goon up for some supp runs. I get excited about a nice calm flight but usually get bored halfway there.
Anyway +1 :aok
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btw:
(http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/airplane-casket.jpg)
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Thats what i like about the goon, its uber cool.
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Maybe model a neat stewardess in the cabin? :D
Oh and how about a Ju52? Or maybe a Arado 232 eh? :x
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Rosie can be the model for it!!!
Maybe model a neat stewardess in the cabin? :D
Oh and how about a Ju52? Or maybe a Arado 232 eh? :x
And YES..... An update and an addition would be awesome!
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I searched and couldnt find anything about the goon being updated so...
Update our goon! :cheers:
You posted this because i said "Look around the cockpit of the goon" last night right? :lol
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Generally you're bored to tears in it; may as well look good.
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Well the goon really needs a facelift. The C47 and the B26 are the two oldest models in AH now, dating all the way back to beta. (Thats 10 years old!)
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The goon and M3 would make great updates. See things in the interior of each that we'd expect to see given their loads.
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Generally you're bored to tears in it; may as well look good.
How can you get bored when you just randomly up a goon saying "know what? they need supps... Hold on guys, I'm a comin'!!!"? Its only when you properly plan your goon flight to avoid fighters that you get bored. I once ran supps to a base under attack, and recived an "atta boy" from both sides....
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How can you get bored when you just randomly up a goon saying "know what? they need supps... Hold on guys, I'm a comin'!!!"? Its only when you properly plan your goon flight to avoid fighters that you get bored. I once ran supps to a base under attack, and recived an "atta boy" from both sides....
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When I'm running a goon for my group or a mission, they tend to dislike it when I fly into a pile of fighters under the pretext of not being bored.
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hehehehehehe, that WOULD annoy them :airplane:..... But still, you can't really complain that flying goon is boring when 3/5 of the time, unless you did a great job of planing or have a large escort, you get shot down by fighters or low flying bombers.
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But still, you can't really complain that flying goon is boring when 3/5 of the time, unless you did a great job of planing or have a large escort, you get shot down by fighters or low flying bombers.
Sure I can. :)
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Goon missions aren't totally lacking.
(http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/2796/gooniesq.jpg)
But, I'm eager to see a less angular version of the C47 as well.
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Well how about enabling formations for goons?
I mean, you could triple the troop requirement for a base to make up for it. Would make it a little more challenging for GV captures yeah but at least you'd need more than one pass on the goons to take them down so a single fighter wouldn't be able to completely spoil a capture even when chased.
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Well how about enabling formations for goons?
I mean, you could triple the troop requirement for a base to make up for it. Would make it a little more challenging for GV captures yeah but at least you'd need more than one pass on the goons to take them down so a single fighter wouldn't be able to completely spoil a capture even when chased.
This would be a cool idea!
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Update what we have now, get new stuff later.
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Sure I can. :)
Not and stay honest :aok. I mean really you can't say that your always bored with goons or that goons are never fun. I shot one that landed 5k from our base for some reason. Bet that guy would argue with you...
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I do it too. Rarely take less than 75% fuel for a reason. Generally, that's just being dedicated.
The related point I was making was that you have no guns, no bombs, not much airspeed, and are mostly a walking target. Might as well get a pretty plane out of it.
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I do it too. Rarely take less than 75% fuel for a reason. Generally, that's just being dedicated.
The related point I was making was that you have no guns, no bombs, not much airspeed, and are mostly a walking target. Might as well get a pretty plane out of it.
could add painted black broom sticks pointing out the windows if it makes ya happy? lol no offence
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That's what I get for stating an opinion. The twelve year olds pile in and dog me for it instead of continuing the topic. (http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff255/OOZ662/rolleyes.gif)
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lol
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I do it too. Rarely take less than 75% fuel for a reason. Generally, that's just being dedicated.
The related point I was making was that you have no guns, no bombs, not much airspeed, and are mostly a walking target. Might as well get a pretty plane out of it.
its funny when lots of new pilots ask for goon escort. when I fly the goons I dont want a friendly anywhere near me, they attract the fiters. besides fiters escorting goons only means there's gonna be multiple films of the goons getting shot down. and I never take more than 25% fuel. if town is not ready when i get there and I dont mean in the most direct way, then most likely they're vulching the field only :lol.
semp
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That's all true, and also why I only run goons for my group. :) Generally when they mess up they try to fix it, so I find an inconspicuous place to loiter.
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That's all true, and also why I only run goons for my group. :) Generally when they mess up they try to fix it, so I find an inconspicuous place to loiter.
try loitering on the ground with a GV fight 1k away. I think I still have a vid of me buzzing a wirb in my C-47.
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I usually take 25% fuel cause i know i'm gonna get shot down anyway. :rofl :rofl :rofl had an AR234 shoot me down just yesterday!!! :rofl
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I usually take 25% fuel cause i know i'm gonna get shot down anyway. :rofl :rofl :rofl had an AR234 shoot me down just yesterday!!! :rofl
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s162/spikesx/Aces%20High%20II/234-goon1.png)
:)
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Jetdweeeb!!!!
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LOL!
:rofl
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That was some 68 guy from a while back, ohh the fun and plentyful whines!
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Jetdweeeb!!!!
Got my fire fly strafed by a 234 once. And we had a 234 NOE raid once....
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I suck in a 234 so... I like to fly through hordes in them.
I dont get any kills, they just follow me around and try to kill me, eventually someone does.
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I suck in a 234 so... I like to fly through hordes in them.
I dont get any kills, they just follow me around and try to kill me, eventually someone does.
So you pretty much trawl with a 234?
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Thats a good way of putting it.
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lol. in deed a c-47 upgrade would be nice.....support our troops
(http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj110/GrnEagle43DHBG/C47_VNAF22.jpg)
(http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj110/GrnEagle43DHBG/avc47_5.jpg)
ya support our troops once there on the ground.fire when ready.lol :x
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lol. in deed a c-47 upgrade would be nice.....support our troops
ya support our troops once there on the ground.fire when ready.lol :x
lol Give those guys who like to fight in the 234 a new fighter challenge to master! I sure hope you don't receive a lot of :old: informing you of the historical inaccuracy of this post, we know you are joking. :rock
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Thats a good way of putting it.
Lol, I've trawled with a C-47. Lured the guys who attack up to escorting fighters waiting couple k away.
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Was the AC-47 gunship around for WWII? Would be sweet if it were... Hehe :D Gunning down towns from orbiting AC-47's... Hopefully we'll be able to have more than one gunner per plane some day.
As for the formations, I say YES to C-47 formations, but keep the number of troops needed to take the city the same... The kicker: Don't allow C-47's to release troops from the ground! I think the land-then-roll-to-town-and-hop-out-of-the-C-47 thing is a bit... lame...
It'd be sweet to watch C-47 raids (like d-day) dropping hundreds of troops while ground and air forces try to eliminate them before they take the town. Would really make the captures a lot more exciting than they are currently (for both sides).
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Was the AC-47 gunship around for WWII?
Nope. Korea and Vietnam, IIRC.
As for the formations, I say YES to C-47 formations, but keep the number of troops needed to take the city the same...
HTC has stated in the past that it will always remain an X:1 ratio. You want the real troop carrying capacity of the C47? It'll take 27 troops to capture a field. You want a 3x10 formation? It'll take 30 troops to capture a field. All that does is ruin more capture attempts waiting on troops.
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Ah bummer. I really was hoping there would be a way to make airdrops necessary... :(
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Didn't say anything about that. Though I don't see what's wrong with it. Guys can get out of the plane the same way they came in...
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Ah bummer. I really was hoping there would be a way to make airdrops necessary... :(
and if we increase the ammount of troops you can carry in one flight (be it through increased capacity or formations) then the number needed to take a base is increased by the same ammount.
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Didn't say anything about that. Though I don't see what's wrong with it. Guys can get out of the plane the same way they came in...
Just seems silly to watch a C-47 land on a beach and taxi to the town. I suppose there isn't anything "wrong" with it, but it kind of defies the point of paratroopers if you ask me. If it were up to me, GV's would drop ground troops, C-47's would drop paratroopers. Then again, I think the way captures work now are a bit boring, so I'm kind of "looking" for a different system.
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Lol, I killed a C-47 doing that while on a gunship mission. And I guess you could argue that the ability to land and drop troops represents the transport part of the plane.
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Lol, I killed a C-47 doing that while on a gunship mission. And I guess you could argue that the ability to land and drop troops represents the transport part of the plane.
While true, doing this in real life would prove much more difficult than in-game. I realize this is in-fact, a game, and that there will be differences, but the fact that I can land anywhere I want just as easily as on a runway bugs me... :confused:
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Well provided it is on a nice, flat pice of ground, it could be ALMOST as easy. I think part of the problem is that there aren't the minute variations in the ground that flooded patch of ground, or a rock under the soil would create.
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ooh, ooh, ooh, make a goon with RATO's. :bolt:
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bad idea, the C-47's structural limit is so low, they could tear the wings off
J/K, IDK if they would, but if you put enough on then they might.
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There SHOULD be restrictions on how troops can drop. AFAIK, no C-47 ever delivered troops into battle by landing. To staging points? Maybe, but not while under fire.
Also, troops should NOT be able to drop when the Goon is looping and rolling all over (I know a lot of guys who will drop their troops in a 90 degree zoom). Goons should have to be flying straight and level to drop.
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There SHOULD be restrictions on how troops can drop. AFAIK, no C-47 ever delivered troops into battle by landing. To staging points? Maybe, but not while under fire.
Also, troops should NOT be able to drop when the Goon is looping and rolling all over (I know a lot of guys who will drop their troops in a 90 degree zoom). Goons should have to be flying straight and level to drop.
Tough call Saxman. 5th AF sure flew their goonies with supplies and troops into harms way throughout the fight up the New Guiniea coast.
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Yeah, but did they actually LAND in enemy-occupied territory?
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I think i remember seeing a c47 captured by the germans painted in german colors.
semp
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Yeah, but did they actually LAND in enemy-occupied territory?
Tiny bit off topic but...
The British put 6 Horsa gliders as close as 40 yards from their objective, Pegasus Bridge, in the dark, on D-Day.
I suppose if they considered C-47s and their crew expendable they would have used them as such.
wrongway
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I've got money says the russians would have concidered them expendable.
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The U.S. Navy R4D version of the C-47 carried two banks of JATO bottles, mounted nine or ten bottles per bank under the fuselage. Commander 'Trigger' Hawkes fired off the lot when he lifted R4D Que Sera Sera off the ice at the South Pole in order to free the undercarriage and get her rolling. The consort that had orbited overhead during that first, short visit reported that 'there was an explosion of flames, smoke and ice and that bird just took off and flew'. Only damage done was to one of the 'snow-shoe' plates fitted around the mainwheels - and the nerves of all who watched.
:salute all 'Frozen Flyers' everywhere.
The C-47 gunship didn't appear until the early 1960s, when it was developed to take on the Vietcong. It was codenamed 'Spooky' or 'Puff the Magic Dragon'.
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bad idea, the C-47's structural limit is so low, they could tear the wings off
Here is a good story,
I was in a goon at 15k (dont ask why i was up there) and i dove on a con, eneded up compressing, pulled out and made a few more passes on him before i got bored.
J/K, IDK if they would, but if you put enough on then they might.
Here is a good story,
I was in a goon at 15k (dont ask why i was up there) and i dove on a con, eneded up compressing, pulled out and made a few more passes on him before i got bored.
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Here is a good story,
I was in a goon at 15k (dont ask why i was up there) and i dove on a con, eneded up compressing, pulled out and made a few more passes on him before i got bored.
:headscratch:
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I was compressing no lie, i pulled out lightly and i reagined control without ripping my wings off.
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I was compressing no lie, i pulled out lightly and i reagined control without ripping my wings off.
I was being somewhat sarcastic...in other words you weren't bored before you dove on the Con?
Either way its funny...and I have at times done some odd things in goons myself...in the piloting sense...
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I find goons fun to fly, waeving in and out of trees.
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trees are my favorite way of getting evasive, cept not in goons... flying a 109F or G through the trees and hearing a spit16 blowing up behind you is always a good feeling ahaha...
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:headscratch:
When I dive in a goon, I always end up pulling up automaticly when I break 350, do I have stall limiter on or something?
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Howabout a perked goon, Li-2 with some guns :rock :aok
(http://www.douglasdc3.com/li2/li2.jpg)
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Howabout a perked goon, Li-2 with some guns :rock :aok
(http://www.douglasdc3.com/li2/li2.jpg)
+1 with two tater guns one upper and one lower :airplane:
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"The British put 6 Horsa gliders as close as 40 yards from their objective, Pegasus Bridge, in the dark, on D-Day."
They did indeed. And the Horsas were towed there by Halifaxes.
It's an ill wind, etc. Back in the late 1990s, the tanker Sea Empress disgraced herself by going aground and spilling 80,000 tons of crude oil into Milford Haven, Wales. Air Atlantique Ltd had the contract for maritime pollution control and all six of their C-47/Dakotas/DC-3s flew into Withybush Airport nearby. I lived forty miles away at the time and galloped over the Presellis as fast as I could to see them. Spent a very happy afternoon clicking away with the ol' 35mm while chatting to the aircrews and nearly wangled a ride in the seat between the specially fitted detergent tanks - but even in those days 'the tail was wagging the dog' and their insurers wouldn't let me, even when I offered to sign any waiver they wanted. Sigh . . .
A-A started selling the old birds off soon after. I was lucky to see the largest gathering of Gooney Birds in the UK for many a year - and the last.
:cool:
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Yeah, but did they actually LAND in enemy-occupied territory?
Yes, at least in the 1st Air Commandos did in the CBI to support Wingate's Chindit operations. The 1st Air Commandos would fly Chindits and engineers in gliders behind enemy lines. The engineers would then clear out landing strips for the C-47s to come in and land the remaining Chindit brigades, drop supplies and remove any wounded or dead.
I think Merrill’s Marauders also were given reinforcements consisting of a Chinese division that were landed by C47s during the battle to capture Myitkyina but the Marauders were primarily resupplied by air drops from the 1st Air Commandos.
ack-ack
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Yeah, but did they actually LAND in enemy-occupied territory?
Heavily contested areas count? :)
A description of the C47 activities at Wau in January 43 from Steve Birsdell's book "Flying Buccaneers"
"Almost providentially, the weather changed over the mountains and the bloated transports moved out, taking to the beleaguered Wau the first of more then two thousand troops that would be delivered within the next two days. The Japanese had already reached one end of the uphill strip and mortar fire was thumping into the vital field. The C-47s had only enough room to land, and as the doors opened the troops jumped to the ground and raced into battle, bullets and shrapnel whining around them. Some transports were even forced to wait above while the Australians grenaded the Japanese out of the way, but fifty-seven landed at Wau, unloaded with their engines running, then took off to make room for the next planes."
They landed uphill btw on the single strip and took off back downhill so it was one in, unload, take off, next in, etc.
That seems to cover it :)
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thanks guppy :aok and :cheers:.
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Heavily contested areas count? :)
A description of the C47 activities at Wau in January 43 from Steve Birsdell's book "Flying Buccaneers"
"Almost providentially, the weather changed over the mountains and the bloated transports moved out, taking to the beleaguered Wau the first of more then two thousand troops that would be delivered within the next two days. The Japanese had already reached one end of the uphill strip and mortar fire was thumping into the vital field. The C-47s had only enough room to land, and as the doors opened the troops jumped to the ground and raced into battle, bullets and shrapnel whining around them. Some transports were even forced to wait above while the Australians grenaded the Japanese out of the way, but fifty-seven landed at Wau, unloaded with their engines running, then took off to make room for the next planes."
They landed uphill btw on the single strip and took off back downhill so it was one in, unload, take off, next in, etc.
That seems to cover it :)
That's how the Chinese division was dropped off during the battle at Myitkyina. When I was reading about that battle, a lot of the Chinese soldiers were shot and killed as they exited out of the C-47s that landed in the battle zone.
And there's the stories of the 1st Air Commandos, must have taken balls of steel to land behind enemy lines just using cut out landing fields in the jungle.
ack-ack
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That's how the Chinese division was dropped off during the battle at Myitkyina. When I was reading about that battle, a lot of the Chinese soldiers were shot and killed as they exited out of the C-47s that landed in the battle zone.
And there's the stories of the 1st Air Commandos, must have taken balls of steel to land behind enemy lines just using cut out landing fields in the jungle.
ack-ack
Always amazed me that Jackie Coogan, aka Uncle Fester was one of those 1st AC Glider pilots.
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Always amazed me that Jackie Coogan, aka Uncle Fester was one of those 1st AC Glider pilots.
I didn't know that he was a glider pilot during the war, yeah it is amazing that Uncle Fester did that during the war. Makes me look at him in a whole new light.
ack-ack