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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: SB on October 30, 2009, 01:03:04 PM
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It's amazing how many whines are from players about changes. So many whines about filling out the WWII plane set.
If you compare the number of kills in the LW arena for September the most successful aircraft was the P-51D, the least the P-40B. The P-40B had less that 1/2 of 1% the success of the P-51D. Yes I know the reason that it is not as successful so that dog won't hunt. I question the reasoning of the people that demand (and they do demand) filling out the plane set of every plane that flew in WWII before HTC moves on to anything else. Did these guys whine about adding vehicles too?
We've had an real WWII Ace slandered in these forums without any documented proof during the arguements about adding WWI aircraft, folks crying about having vox in WWI planes and various and sundry things.
How many of these people really took the time to think about what is good for the continued growth of this game and how many are just saying I want what I want and I want it now? It doesn't add to gameplay, it doesn't bring in customers, but it makes me happy and pffffffft to the rest of you. Same ones that say I don't care that it costs the same to add an aircraft that won't get flown outside of scenarios as it does to do one that may bring in more people and keep this game growing?
SB
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So you get what you want, everybody else has to shut up and deal with it?
What if your P51D was still flying with 1999 graphics and flight model and damage model? Oh the whines we'd all hear, and quite justified!
Fact of the matter is, the MA isn't everything. We have so many problems with the WW2 planeset (problems being anything from buggy damage models on old planes, old flight models, old graphics models, missing planes, missing entire planesets, etc) that everything you've commented on is probably justified.
Try flying any snapshot, FSO, event, scenario, anything other than the MA, where you need a betty, a beaufort, a wellington, a real P-40B, a Ki43, a P-2, or any number of things the game currently lacks.
Your post is close-minded and narrow sighted.
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:noid the root of all evil isn't money....its self interest.... :noid :noid :noid :D
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Try flying any snapshot, FSO, event, scenario, anything other than the MA, where you need a betty, a beaufort, a wellington, a real P-40B, a Ki43, a P-2, or any number of things the game currently lacks.
Hell, pretty much try flying ANY historical event outside of the ETO Western Front c.1944-1945 and you're screwed.
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The OP doesn't have a clue as to why we ask for aircraft that won't be successful in the main arena. :lol
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"The OP doesn't have a clue as to why we ask for aircraft that won't be successful in the main arena. Hehe!"
You're kidding right? You're either a complete idiot as to who SB is and his relationship to HiTech
and HTC - or this is just a real dumb troll of a post.
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It's amazing how many whines are from players about changes. So many whines about filling out the WWII plane set.
If you compare the number of kills in the LW arena for September the most successful aircraft was the P-51D, the least the P-40B. The P-40B had less that 1/2 of 1% the success of the P-51D. Yes I know the reason that it is not as successful so that dog won't hunt. I question the reasoning of the people that demand (and they do demand) filling out the plane set of every plane that flew in WWII before HTC moves on to anything else. Did these guys whine about adding vehicles too?
We've had an real WWII Ace slandered in these forums without any documented proof during the arguements about adding WWI aircraft, folks crying about having vox in WWI planes and various and sundry things.
How many of these people really took the time to think about what is good for the continued growth of this game and how many are just saying I want what I want and I want it now? It doesn't add to gameplay, it doesn't bring in customers, but it makes me happy and pffffffft to the rest of you. Same ones that say I don't care that it costs the same to add an aircraft that won't get flown outside of scenarios as it does to do one that may bring in more people and keep this game growing?
SB
+1
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Hmmm, I'm trying to remember some of the old names from the WB crew before iMOL bought it. Nothing rings a bell. Enlighten me.
Fwiw, if it weren't for scenarios and the prospect that someday we'll get the He 111, G4M, Ki-43, Lagg-3, etc. I would cancel my account. How's that for growing the business?
That said, I'm not all torn up over the upcoming WW1 arena. It sounds like fun to me.
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"The OP doesn't have a clue as to why we ask for aircraft that won't be successful in the main arena. Hehe!"
You're kidding right? You're either a complete idiot as to who SB is and his relationship to HiTech
and HTC - or this is just a real dumb troll of a post.
Er.. wrong. We have a pretty good clue from the original post. He says "It's not used in the MA, so screw it, leave it 1999 standards, leave AH WW2 as it is and put all efforts into updating the WW1 game, maybe Korea, whatever"
Essentially he's asking for the halt of development on AH2 by saying "if it's not the most used plane in the MA it doesn't deserve enhancement or inclusion in the game" -- a weak attitude from any aspect.
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It's amazing how many whines are from players about changes. So many whines about filling out the WWII plane set.
If you compare the number of kills in the LW arena for September the most successful aircraft was the P-51D, the least the P-40B. The P-40B had less that 1/2 of 1% the success of the P-51D. Yes I know the reason that it is not as successful so that dog won't hunt. I question the reasoning of the people that demand (and they do demand) filling out the plane set of every plane that flew in WWII before HTC moves on to anything else. Did these guys whine about adding vehicles too?
We've had an real WWII Ace slandered in these forums without any documented proof during the arguements about adding WWI aircraft, folks crying about having vox in WWI planes and various and sundry things.
How many of these people really took the time to think about what is good for the continued growth of this game and how many are just saying I want what I want and I want it now? It doesn't add to gameplay, it doesn't bring in customers, but it makes me happy and pffffffft to the rest of you. Same ones that say I don't care that it costs the same to add an aircraft that won't get flown outside of scenarios as it does to do one that may bring in more people and keep this game growing?
SB
So true.
I've always been interested in the total number of subscribers for Aces High, and also in how many are in the average scenario.
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---> SB: :old: you young whipper snappers keep on trying to knock that chip off your shoulder, you'll make it to the top of the banana pile one day....... :banana:
just :( to see how people reply/post sometimes...... ( including myself )
edit: hope ya having a good day there Ol SharkBait, and most who reply will prob misunderstand your post :cheers: :bolt:
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I had a dream one night....I was arguing in here on the AH forums....like I always do, you know, where I just argue for the sake of seeing my typed words....and then.....like some fantasy.....people actually cared what I was typing.
I don't. :aok
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So true.
I've always been interested in the total number of subscribers for Aces High, and also in how many are in the average scenario.
Not just scenarios. Scenarios are the most publicly visible event, but not the most populated.
How many players are in LW Orange on a given night? 250? 350?
How many players fly FSO every friday, months on end, year after year? They're breaking 500+ every Friday folks.
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How many players fly FSO every friday, months on end, year after year? They're breaking 500+ every Friday folks.
And many would cancel their accounts without FSO; that's a fact.
Come to think of it, who SB is doesn't matter much to me, but the content of what he says does. Objectively, when I look at the OP, it rambles, the points could be developed more thoughtfully, etc. If my response seems harsh or obtuse, it's because it reflects what came before it.
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The OP doesn't have a clue as to why we ask for aircraft that won't be successful in the main arena. :lol
He doesn't need a clue as to why you cry like lil girls....he's asking you to get over it...so...will you, or won't you? :aok
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Hmmm, I'm trying to remember some of the old names from the WB crew before iMOL bought it. Nothing rings a bell. Enlighten me.
Fwiw, if I don't get the planes I want, I'm cancelling my account.
bye!
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Keep flamebaiting skyrock. :angel:
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great point or question htc's testing of the new product I read that this morning... quite funny :salute
It's amazing how many whines are from players about changes. So many whines about filling out the WWII plane set.
If you compare the number of kills in the LW arena for September the most successful aircraft was the P-51D, the least the P-40B. The P-40B had less that 1/2 of 1% the success of the P-51D. Yes I know the reason that it is not as successful so that dog won't hunt. I question the reasoning of the people that demand (and they do demand) filling out the plane set of every plane that flew in WWII before HTC moves on to anything else. Did these guys whine about adding vehicles too?
We've had an real WWII Ace slandered in these forums without any documented proof during the arguements about adding WWI aircraft, folks crying about having vox in WWI planes and various and sundry things.
How many of these people really took the time to think about what is good for the continued growth of this game and how many are just saying I want what I want and I want it now? It doesn't add to gameplay, it doesn't bring in customers, but it makes me happy and pffffffft to the rest of you. Same ones that say I don't care that it costs the same to add an aircraft that won't get flown outside of scenarios as it does to do one that may bring in more people and keep this game growing?
SB
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Hmmm, I'm trying to remember some of the old names from the WB crew before iMOL bought it. Nothing rings a bell. Enlighten me.
Fwiw, if it weren't for scenarios and the prospect that someday we'll get the He 111, G4M, Ki-43, Lagg-3, etc. I would cancel my account. How's that for growing the business?
That said, I'm not all torn up over the upcoming WW1 arena. It sounds like fun to me.
Not knocking you in particular Anaxogoras but I hear that alot "I'm canceling my account" from so many here in the forums. Do you really think HTC cares about a mere $15 dollars or the totality of the group, doing what's best to grow/keep current customer base. Just Childish in my opinion. I'm looking forward to the WWI arena as well does sound fun.
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great point or question htc's testing of the new product I read that this morning... quite funny :salute
That line doesn't make grammatical sense to me... :headscratch:
The WW1 part of this game may bring in some new players, but that's doubtful. Most WW1 games have small followings. More than likely already existing customers will fly it (little "new" revenue). May be fun, sure, but it's no reason for his original post.
I think folks may be over-reacting to the WW1 arena, but the entire way SB made his original post is just wrong in my opinion.
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Not knocking you in particular Anaxogoras but I hear that alot "I'm canceling my account" from so many here in the forums. Do you really think HTC cares about a mere $15 dollars or the totality of the group, doing what's best to grow/keep current customer base. Just Childish in my opinion. I'm looking forward to the WWI arena as well does sound fun.
You can't grow the game if people exit as quickly as they arrive. FSO prevents that.
Secondly, it's not childish not to put money into something that doesn't give you equivalent value. Now, whether it's equivalent value or not is totally subjective, but why do you believe that my stating my conditions for equivalent value is childish? I haven't said "I want it now!" Or, "Why have you wasted time with WW1?!?!" I haven't said anything of the sort. On the contrary, I defended the introduction of the P-47M because the attacks on its entry were silly. I've expressed qualified enthusiasm about the upcoming WW1 arena. What have I demanded? That some of the must numerous and important aircraft of the war be added to the game someday. I don't see the harm in that, and that's my equivalent value to $15.
P.S. I don't know if you have children or not, but to me it's pretty funny to be accused of childishness when I have the real thing in my home. :old:
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That line doesn't make grammatical sense to me... :headscratch:
The WW1 part of this game may bring in some new players, but that's doubtful. Most WW1 games have small followings. More than likely already existing customers will fly it (little "new" revenue). May be fun, sure, but it's no reason for his original post.
I think folks may be over-reacting to the WW1 arena, but the entire way SB made his original post is just wrong in my opinion.
Heres my opinion on SB's post and why I think he's got a great point you would have to read other posts to know what I was talking about on the other.
It's amazing how many whines are from players about changes. So many whines about filling out the WWII plane set. People are genetic whinners most of the time because they've always got everything in life they've wanted and just like to complain reguardless of the topic. Most of the whinners are divorced and are un social people who need Church and Jesus in there Life
If you compare the number of kills in the LW arena for September the most successful aircraft was the P-51D, the least the P-40B. The P-40B had less that 1/2 of 1% the success of the P-51D. Yes I know the reason that it is not as successful so that dog won't hunt. I question the reasoning of the people that demand (and they do demand) filling out the plane set of every plane that flew in WWII before HTC moves on to anything else. Did these guys whine about adding vehicles too? Not only do they demand they think people actually care you they delete their account. The percentage between the top plane and the least plane is .005 percent success from SB's post and people still complain about this is not right that's not right. Everyone has to fly in the same conditions so if they're complaining maybe they need to be in the training arena more.
We've had an real WWII Ace slandered in these forums without any documented proof during the arguements about adding WWI aircraft, folks crying about having vox in WWI planes and various and sundry things. This is so pitiful that you have to slander a hero of our nation over a game. Childish get a life and to be frank go to hell!
How many of these people really took the time to think about what is good for the continued growth of this game and how many are just saying I want what I want and I want it now? It doesn't add to gameplay, it doesn't bring in customers, but it makes me happy and pffffffft to the rest of you. Same ones that say I don't care that it costs the same to add an aircraft that won't get flown outside of scenarios as it does to do one that may bring in more people and keep this game growing? It's called business sense. Can we bring in 50 new customers through this marketing compain or doing this or that. How much money is that going to cost us. Is it worth it to us as a Company? Should we create this new plane or that new plane. Your always looking for continued growth and modeling a plane for a scenario only doesn't make sense if you can spend that valued time modeling a plane that pushes the game forward, makes the game more fun for the customers you already have and at the same time have incentives or something no other WWII simulation company has to promote AHII to your new customer base.
It's hard for this post not to make sense, it does to me.
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Dude. :joystick:
I am done with this thread.
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Without FSO there would be a good possibilty I would cancel mine.
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I am also a father, the only reason why I say that is because in the text people try to use that as a threat to the company for losing money when the fact is the company could care less about your $15 dollars although alot of $15's add up to be a large sum of money. There trying to please alot of people in here and I think there doing a very nice job of it. Equivalent value of $15 is a personal opinion and will vary from person to person. Now on my hand I play a thousand sorties a month. Thats a very cheap hobby if you ask me in my opinion. A happy meal for the kid almost costs that much at McD's. We've kinda got off topic here on this forum but it wasn't meant as a personal attack but that statment in general is a subjective threat to the company and alot of people use it in a childish manner. I'm not calling you a child I don't even know you I'm just saying the text is used like a child would say that. <S>
You can't grow the game if people exit as quickly as they arrive. FSO prevents that.
Secondly, it's not childish not to put money into something that doesn't give you equivalent value. Now, whether it's equivalent value or not is totally subjective, but why do you believe that my stating my conditions for equivalent value is childish? I haven't said "I want it now!" Or, "Why have you wasted time with WW1?!?!" I haven't said anything of the sort. On the contrary, I defended the introduction of the P-47M because the attacks on its entry were silly. I've expressed qualified enthusiasm about the upcoming WW1 arena. What have I demanded? That some of the must numerous and important aircraft of the war be added to the game someday. I don't see the harm in that, and that's my equivalent value to $15.
P.S. I don't know if you have children or not, but to me it's pretty funny to be accused of childishness when I have the real thing in my home. :old:
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Dude. :joystick:
I am done with this thread.
me too! outa here
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P.S. I don't know if you have children or not, but to me it's pretty funny to be accused of childishness when I have the real thing in my home. :old:
Spend a few days outside where you have the classic "kids playing together while parents mull about" situation and you'll see that just because someone has a child doesn't cause them to be an adult. Balloon Boy, anyone?
There's never going to be a change that makes everyone happy. You give us an old plane, the BnZers will cry "wasted time on a hangar queen." Bring in a late war monster and the others will cry "wasted time on yet another uber ride." Add new graphics and lower-end system owners will cry "we can't play any more!" Leave the graphics alone, modern computer owners cry "why do we have to play in 8-bit land?" Not to mention those who simply nitpick without being opposed; "I suppose I don't like or dislike this, but this would have been so much better."
Never really see any point in discussing any of it, since it's almost always two evenly split sides with nobody in the middle.
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absoultely true, why did you type this again :lol just joking with you, just like I said always have someone complaining. Main Objective: Please the majority of the players we already have and number 2. Do whats best to bring on New Customers. Thats the bottom line from a company stand point, the rest is rubbish.
Spend a few days outside where you have the classic "kids playing together while parents mull about" situation and you'll see that just because someone has a child doesn't cause them to be an adult. Balloon Boy, anyone?
There's never going to be a change that makes everyone happy. You give us an old plane, the BnZers will cry "wasted time on a hangar queen." Bring in a late war monster and the others will cry "wasted time on yet another uber ride." Add new graphics and lower-end system owners will cry "we can't play any more!" Leave the graphics alone, modern computer owners cry "why do we have to play in 8-bit land?" Not to mention those who simply nitpick without being opposed; "I suppose I don't like or dislike this, but this would have been so much better."
Never really see any point in discussing any of it, since it's almost always two evenly split sides with nobody in the middle.
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:D There's a difference between not seeing a point in something and not doing it. Lots of times I'll jump into stuff just out of sheer boredom...like...right now. :lol
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I'm waiting for Lusche to pull out the official stats, graphs and charts on forum whines. :D
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It's amazing how many whines are from players about changes. So many whines about filling out the WWII plane set.
If you compare the number of kills in the LW arena for September the most successful aircraft was the P-51D, the least the P-40B. The P-40B had less that 1/2 of 1% the success of the P-51D. Yes I know the reason that it is not as successful so that dog won't hunt. I question the reasoning of the people that demand (and they do demand) filling out the plane set of every plane that flew in WWII before HTC moves on to anything else. Did these guys whine about adding vehicles too?
We've had an real WWII Ace slandered in these forums without any documented proof during the arguements about adding WWI aircraft, folks crying about having vox in WWI planes and various and sundry things.
How many of these people really took the time to think about what is good for the continued growth of this game and how many are just saying I want what I want and I want it now? It doesn't add to gameplay, it doesn't bring in customers, but it makes me happy and pffffffft to the rest of you. Same ones that say I don't care that it costs the same to add an aircraft that won't get flown outside of scenarios as it does to do one that may bring in more people and keep this game growing?
SB
Your misinformed.
I do not know of anyone who has said fill in all the planes for WWII. Folks would like to see some basic ones for use in scenarios and FSO. Currently other planes have to fill the hole which takes away from the immersion that is so important in scenarios and FSO.
You bring up P-40. It has nothing to do with the reason the planes are required.
I've seen discussions about WWI in the boards. The only thing I see close to crying is in your post here.
Continued growth of "this" game is what I want. I'm not personally interested in any new game like WWI, but it is coming. That only causes me concern for this game.
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Essentially he's asking for the halt of development on AH2 by saying "if it's not the most used plane in the MA it doesn't deserve enhancement or inclusion in the game" -- a weak attitude from any aspect.
No. That's not what he's asking for. Not even a little bit close. Get a clue.
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Nah, we could hand out clue rakes for free and things would still be misunderstood :lol
Shuffler I didn't whine, merely pointed out that asking for things that don't bring revenue to the company and do cost money to develop will be down the list of things to do for them. Nice dodge on the slandering the WWII ace btw. I do tend to ramble in posts so sue me.
As for the folks that don't know who I am, except for HiTech I've been around Aces High longer than anyone.
SB
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191 posts in 10 years? I suppose you're one of those freaks that thinks before he posts. :cheers:
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Nah, we could hand out clue rakes for free and things would still be misunderstood :lol
Shuffler I didn't whine, merely pointed out that asking for things that don't bring revenue to the company and do cost money to develop will be down the list of things to do for them. Nice dodge on the slandering the WWII ace btw. I do tend to ramble in posts so sue me.
As for the folks that don't know who I am, except for HiTech I've been around Aces High longer than anyone.
SB
Who's to say what will bring better revenue or not between better plane set or another game.
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Who's to say what will bring better revenue or not between better plane set or another game.
Not really another game... more of a "product extension".
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Not really another game... more of a "product extension".
OK so more like EA?? ...... to them a game is a game.
Still concerned about WWII.
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Hey Shuffler, if you're so concerned about what HTC is doing and you're in Texas, why didn't you make it to the con to talk to them face to face?
SB
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Nah, we could hand out clue rakes for free and things would still be misunderstood :lol
Shuffler I didn't whine, merely pointed out that asking for things that don't bring revenue to the company and do cost money to develop will be down the list of things to do for them. Nice dodge on the slandering the WWII ace btw. I do tend to ramble in posts so sue me.
As for the folks that don't know who I am, except for HiTech I've been around Aces High longer than anyone.
SB
Hiya Sharkbait, long long time :D
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Hey Shuffler, if you're so concerned about what HTC is doing and you're in Texas, why didn't you make it to the con to talk to them face to face?
SB
I have a business to run. Would be nice to do some time though.
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:D There's a difference between not seeing a point in something and not doing it. Lots of times I'll jump into stuff just out of sheer boredom...like...right now. :lol
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Hiya Sharkbait, long long time :D
Hey Rino, nice to "see" ya :)
SB
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Hehehe, you could call HT a "Putz" again and start another string of interesting replies. :D
You did call him a putz a couple of months ago, right? :headscratch:
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It's amazing how many whines are from players about changes. So many whines about filling out the WWII plane set.
If you compare the number of kills in the LW arena for September the most successful aircraft was the P-51D, the least the P-40B. The P-40B had less that 1/2 of 1% the success of the P-51D. Yes I know the reason that it is not as successful so that dog won't hunt. I question the reasoning of the people that demand (and they do demand) filling out the plane set of every plane that flew in WWII before HTC moves on to anything else. Did these guys whine about adding vehicles too?
We've had an real WWII Ace slandered in these forums without any documented proof during the arguements about adding WWI aircraft, folks crying about having vox in WWI planes and various and sundry things.
How many of these people really took the time to think about what is good for the continued growth of this game and how many are just saying I want what I want and I want it now? It doesn't add to gameplay, it doesn't bring in customers, but it makes me happy and pffffffft to the rest of you. Same ones that say I don't care that it costs the same to add an aircraft that won't get flown outside of scenarios as it does to do one that may bring in more people and keep this game growing?
SB
What I care about is growth for Aces High Events Community. So much fun and education is created by so many individuals in the AH Events community, that I respect and appreciate it immensely. Due to this huge appreciation, I always wish for more attention from HTC to the AH Events Community through the act of adding more planes. If I vote/voice for more planes that add more support to events, rather than to the MA, so be it. That's my one and only vote. If other players feel the same way, they can do the same. The AH events community is EXTREMELY appreciative to HTC. The AH Events community will be appreciative to the new WWI planes and will include WWI events as soon as possible.
My concern is that resources will be diverted away from increasing the WWII planeset. Many of us are patient with the few planes that are added each year. After 10 years of AH, the WWII planeset is still FAR from complete and requires many of us to use our imagination to make events work. We are patient, but ignoring us would make us sad. Again, we are very appreciate of what we have, and maintain high hopes that HTC continues to work hard to add to the WII planeset.
AH Events are where I find the maximum entertainment, education and immersion! This events community does so much for others, they are already very appreciative, respectful and grateful for HTC.
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Agreed, and thanks for posting that.
Folks just need to calm down a tad on the doom and gloom. HTC brought this game to where it is over the years , and I trust they are doing everything they can to take it further. I'm sure that all the pieces that we see (i.e. New AC, cities, WWI,updates, new graphics ect ect ect) are all part of a plan that none of us here can comprehend with whats going on behind the scenes. And rightfully so, because thats HTC's business. Personally , I'm thankful for the updates and new toys, and look forward to whats next.
It's amazing how many whines are from players about changes. So many whines about filling out the WWII plane set.
If you compare the number of kills in the LW arena for September the most successful aircraft was the P-51D, the least the P-40B. The P-40B had less that 1/2 of 1% the success of the P-51D. Yes I know the reason that it is not as successful so that dog won't hunt. I question the reasoning of the people that demand (and they do demand) filling out the plane set of every plane that flew in WWII before HTC moves on to anything else. Did these guys whine about adding vehicles too?
We've had an real WWII Ace slandered in these forums without any documented proof during the arguements about adding WWI aircraft, folks crying about having vox in WWI planes and various and sundry things.
How many of these people really took the time to think about what is good for the continued growth of this game and how many are just saying I want what I want and I want it now? It doesn't add to gameplay, it doesn't bring in customers, but it makes me happy and pffffffft to the rest of you. Same ones that say I don't care that it costs the same to add an aircraft that won't get flown outside of scenarios as it does to do one that may bring in more people and keep this game growing?
SB
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Hehehe, you could call HT a "Putz" again and start another string of interesting replies. :D
You did call him a putz a couple of months ago, right? :headscratch:
HiTech you are a putz and uber dweeb.
Happy? :devil
SB
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We have a lot of WWII AIRCRAFT :banana:
I don't know of any on line game that has more.
If you have a request; please send it to HTC.
I am sure they will consider it.
But the WWI arena is a good idea :aok
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Dot...
SB calls him a putz every time he talks to him. Well, accept when he calls him the Baconator. :devil
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Well, accept when he calls him the Baconator. :devil
Oh, to be privileged... :rofl
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not that anyone caRES......but i like this sim/game as it is. it's friffin awsome. :aok
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500+ in FSO......we get 800 alot of nights for Titanic Tuesday and you see more people on late at night during TT unlike every other night where you got about 80. Sry but I dont think events make AH like alot of people think they do.
btw gavagai your a moron
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Gotta love the spelling. :cheers:
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And many would cancel their accounts without FSO; that's a fact.
Funny how one knows what many would do!!! I would like to see that poll.
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Not just scenarios. Scenarios are the most publicly visible event, but not the most populated.
How many players are in LW Orange on a given night? 250? 350?
How many players fly FSO every friday, months on end, year after year? They're breaking 500+ every Friday folks.
You know usually, it's about 600 combined in all arenas. On FSO, it's 'bout 500 in the arena, plus another 100 or so in each LWA. There's as many people in LWOrange as the arena CAP will let there be.
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500+ in FSO......we get 800 alot of nights for Titanic Tuesday and you see more people on late at night during TT unlike every other night where you got about 80. Sry but I dont think events make AH like alot of people think they do.
btw gavagai your a moron
"we get 800"...We is all of us. MA and special events are one and the same for the most part. The MA is used as a practice arena and a full-purpose arena.
Also, I don't understand this part, "I dont think events make AH like alot of people think they do." This is unclear and potentially dangerous in starting a huge argument over nothing. So please explain politely what you mean. <S>
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"we get 800"...We is all of us. MA and special events are one and the same for the most part. The MA is used as a practice arena and a full-purpose arena.
Also, I don't understand this part, "I dont think events make AH like alot of people think they do." This is unclear and potentially dangerous in starting a huge argument over nothing. So please explain politely what you mean. <S>
I understand why people like events and why they participate in them. I just didnt understand why people smashed wishs which werent needed for events. Everyone wants the HE111 because of BOB but that event would be what once maybe twice a year?, the rest of the year it will just be a hangar queen because its too slow and not very good armour. When you said the MA is used as practice arena I kinda got an understanding of your mind set towards the game which is completely cool and I understand. But for the games sake I think newer people mainly buzz around the MA and that should be the fucos for developement to the game. I liked a wish a while back where someone asked if we could have almost bridge towns where you fighted over control for a bridge. Things like this i think would make the game have more intense battles in the MA unlike what we see today with a furball somewhere in the corner of a map, and Hordes taking bases NOE. POTW now splits off the rest of the country just to create a less dominating fight where you can get more action even if we dont take the base we still had lots of fun trying. What Im getting at is fucos should be aimed at the MA to make gameplay better since 90+% of the time by players is spent in Orange and Blue :salute
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Without FSO there would be a good possibilty I would cancel mine.
FSO is the best part of this game. Could be better with more planes yes. In our squad we have guys that fly FSOs only. They are here for historical part, not the MA gameplay.
I would be one that would prolly leave without FSOs. I would give myself 2 weeks of MA play before I got sick of it.
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What Im getting at is fucos should be aimed at the MA to make gameplay better since 90+% of the time by players is spent in Orange and Blue :salute
I agree with this as well. I am all for better MA play. I cant wait for the new city and strat to be added
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To me it seems the common misconception here is that if HTC is working on something other than filling in the WWII plane set it will never be done. From what I've seen of the operation they will continue to fill in the plane set and do things that may generate additional revenue for the company. Waffle's screen shots of the huge city are pretty cool and would be great models for London or Berlin that could be used for FSO ops. I'm all for additional rides of both eras. One of my favorite planes will probably never make it to the plane set, the HE-162.
Meanwhile, look back of the last 10 years and see how many planes have been added from the initial plane set. Yeah some of the graphics are dated but how many have been totally redone? I think it's a fantastic achievement that this game has stood up on it's own over the the last 10 years. 20+ if you include AirWarrior, and WarBirds. Yes HiTech did do a lot of work with AirWarrior, enough he was flying free for years on GEnie and had credits there when GEnie folded.
I guess the basic premise is no matter what HTC does some folks will continue to whine if what they want for themselves isn't happening right now. :neener:
SB
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SB, remember the words a wise man we all know and love once said: Show me a better WW2 Combat sim and I'll be there in a heartbeat.
Let the whiners whine. It keeps 'em off the streets :cheers:
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I am sure HTC can multi task. We will see new features on both ends WWI and WWII. No need to freak out about not getting new planes imho. They will come as they always do.
I cant wait for them cities to be in FSO :salute
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See Rule #4
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:huh
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I realized years ago that what is good for the HTC is good for events. :) They have yet to make an aircraft we have not used in our events, (FSO, Snapshots, Scenarios). It may not be our first choice, but we will use what ever they make. ;)
On the flip side when HTC gives special events a desired/requested aircraft or some more CM tools, it is booty for the events community, but not a big revenue maker in the MA. That IMHO should make all special event community members that much more appreciative when HTC does something for us. :cheers:
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Wow. I may not agree with your analysis, I'm not even sure if it's serious (I hope not), but you write magnificently.
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<S> daddog. Well said and I agree.
nimble, :rofl Woah! Very creative. I did not think it was possible to use every single word in the dictionary to write a post on the AH forum. Dry humor, it can be abit unusual.
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<S> daddog. Well said and I agree.
nimble, :rofl Woah! Very creative. I did not think it was possible to use every single word in the dictionary to write a post on the AH forum. Dry humor, it can be abit unusual.
hehe, government job + iPhone= US tax dollars paying for my boredom lol
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It's amazing how many whines are from players about changes. So many whines about filling out the WWII plane set.
If you compare the number of kills in the LW arena for September the most successful aircraft was the P-51D, the least the P-40B. The P-40B had less that 1/2 of 1% the success of the P-51D. Yes I know the reason that it is not as successful so that dog won't hunt. I question the reasoning of the people that demand (and they do demand) filling out the plane set of every plane that flew in WWII before HTC moves on to anything else. Did these guys whine about adding vehicles too?
We've had an real WWII Ace slandered in these forums without any documented proof during the arguements about adding WWI aircraft, folks crying about having vox in WWI planes and various and sundry things.
How many of these people really took the time to think about what is good for the continued growth of this game and how many are just saying I want what I want and I want it now? It doesn't add to gameplay, it doesn't bring in customers, but it makes me happy and pffffffft to the rest of you. Same ones that say I don't care that it costs the same to add an aircraft that won't get flown outside of scenarios as it does to do one that may bring in more people and keep this game growing?
SB
Ya know SB, ya just can't please eveybody! I'm not one of the whiners here on the direction of HTC. I think it's great that HT is looking for other avenues to grow the business (game), and I don't care if he wants to go backward or forward in history for avenues to do it. I don't really think that most folks realize that as far as the WWI goes, that HiTech has been there and done that before and can now do it better. What I DO know is that Dale and his company have been and continue to grow the WWII fighter game community and anything other than that is a bonus for the little cost to us as consumers. Now as a community, we should be hanging our heads if some of the community have indeed slandered a Vet and even worse if it were an ACE, as those who really climbed in the cockpit of a WWI or WWII or any other conflict, well they are the real heros of our lifetime and should be honored for their courage and devotion. I'm quite happy with the direction of the game.
All the Best...
Jay
awDoc1
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I have fun in the game,. HT gets my $15.00.
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I have fun in the game,. HT gets my $15.00.
+1 :aok
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To me it seems the common misconception here is that if HTC is working on something other than filling in the WWII plane set it will never be done. From what I've seen of the operation they will continue to fill in the plane set and do things that may generate additional revenue for the company. Waffle's screen shots of the huge city are pretty cool and would be great models for London or Berlin that could be used for FSO ops. I'm all for additional rides of both eras. One of my favorite planes will probably never make it to the plane set, the HE-162.
Meanwhile, look back of the last 10 years and see how many planes have been added from the initial plane set. Yeah some of the graphics are dated but how many have been totally redone? I think it's a fantastic achievement that this game has stood up on it's own over the the last 10 years. 20+ if you include AirWarrior, and WarBirds. Yes HiTech did do a lot of work with AirWarrior, enough he was flying free for years on GEnie and had credits there when GEnie folded.
I guess the basic premise is no matter what HTC does some folks will continue to whine if what they want for themselves isn't happening right now. :neener:
SB
Heh SB I can remember when Dale was begging Kesmai for the code so he could just do some skins :O
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As for a small following for WWI, I think RoF has shown what the interest is there at a minimum of 40,000 copies sold. If HTC added 10% of that total it would be 4,000 new subs (THAT would pay for alot of development) :rock
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Excellent point Boxboy.
And, Rise of Flight has an evil DRM scheme that requires the player to be online- connected to the internet- even when flying offline.
So, your point is not trivial.
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Excellent point Boxboy.
And, Rise of Flight has an evil DRM scheme that requires the player to be online- connected to the internet- even when flying offline.
So, your point is not trivial.
Well to be fair most of the guys that bought RoF are not the pay to play types, but the online flying there is next to nonexistant, so that is why I guessed maybe a pickup of 10%.
Alot of the old DOA guys might also come back