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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: sandwich on November 24, 2009, 03:50:26 PM
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I would enjoy it very much if the Spit XIV was unperked. :D
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Wouldnt we all? How about perking the Spit16 instead? Besides, the 16 outturns most aircraft, out accelerates most, out climbs most, out dives most, and out rolls most. Not to mention uber firepower. It needs perked.
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Wouldnt we all? How about perking the Spit16 instead? Besides, the 16 outturns most aircraft, out accelerates most, out climbs most, out dives most, and out rolls most. Not to mention uber firepower. It needs perked.
You just hate it when you get killed by one :cry
By perking the spixteen you wouldn't give noobs a chance.
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Spit mk VIII ?
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You just hate it when you get killed by one :cry
By perking the spixteen you wouldn't give noobs a chance.
There's like 4 other variants of the Spits that noobs can fly. But of course I get upset when I get shot down by a Spixteen. But then again, I always shoot down my fare share of Spixteens. Usually resulting in an "Im naked" PM from me! :D
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Spit mk VIII ?
I wouldn't mind every noob in spit8, it has less firepower and doesn't roll like a 190.
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Still seems odd the XIV is perked when the K4, which performs similarly or better in almost every way isn't even a 5 or 10 ENY :noid :noid
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I wouldn't mind every noob in spit8, it has less firepower and doesn't roll like a 190.
Are you afraid of noobs? :)
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There's like 4 other variants of the Spits that noobs can fly. But of course I get upset when I get shot down by a Spixteen. But then again, I always shoot down my fare share of Spixteens. Usually resulting in an "Im naked" PM from me! :D
Spixteens are great perk farms. Another reason why they should not be perked :devil
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By perking the spixteen you wouldn't give noobs a chance.
I was unaware only noobs were allowed to fly the spixteen.
I was unware that that how much it would help a noob was a factor in plane perkage. Judging by the DA lake, unperking Temps would also helps noobs.
And yes, the SpitXIV cost should either be drastically reduced or eliminated.
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Are you afraid of noobs? :)
No just you and those annoying people called the few!
(just kidding, go easy on us in SDL :D)
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Spixteens are great perk farms. Another reason why they should not be perked :devil
5 ENY plane a good perk farmer? :headscratch: I doubt that. I fly the P38s and average about 5+ perks per sortie on low numbers side. On a good day I can rack up well over 50 perks.
Still seems odd the XIV is perked when the K4, which performs similarly or better in almost every way isn't even a 5 or 10 ENY :noid :noid
Well keep in mind that that K4 has the 37mm. Its ballistics are terrible compared to the gun platform to that of the Spit14. Turn rate of the K4 is also inferior to that of the Spit14. Engine torque also seems to be more of an issue to the K4 than that of the Spit14.
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By perking the spixteen you wouldn't give noobs a chance.
Now that's a bunch of nonsense.
My opinion: Unperk the XIV and F4U-1C, leave the XVI alone.
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next time you "experts" get into a furball :uhoh, look around and you'll see about 3 or 4 of you trying to turn with some plane and along comes the spit and takes your kill with one turn :neener:
semp
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next time you "experts" get into a furball :uhoh, look around and you'll see about 3 or 4 of you trying to turn with some plane and along comes the spit and takes your kill with one turn :neener:
semp
funny. Your spot on I remember playing around with a B38 and was having a cracking fight with someone i can't remember now. I wore him down to the point of me about to shoot and I see one of ghostCDB's noob squeaker squadmates fly in with a spit 16 spraying over my shoulder for the kill.
He then quickly went back to base to land his 2 kills I was like :furious then he has the cheek to advise me that I should finish my kills quicker! nearly fell out of my chair laughing at that comment.
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Now that's a bunch of nonsense.
My opinion: Unperk the XIV and F4U-1C, leave the XVI alone.
The world would fall into anarchy.
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The world would fall into anarchy.
Nah, not with the XVI around. We are yet to see what would happen with an unperked F4U-1C in an arena full of XVIs.
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Who complain about noobs in Spit16 should spent this time to learn some acm instead :joystick: Personally, i prefer ppl in spit16 rather than La7 or runstang, in spit they usually fight, at least.
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I have been flying the 16 more, it is deserving of a perk, in the system the way it is run now.
in the right hands the 16 is pretty much unstoppable, 1 vs 1 and takes 3 or more to really give her a hard time, but 1 smart hurri2c driver at equal Alt, will easily send it to it's demise, then again a F4u driver will also wreck havoc on one if the situation is good and he knows his plane!
so will a P40 if the right stick is behind it!!
damn I truly think every plane should have a perk value :aok
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Still seems odd the XIV is perked when the K4, which performs similarly or better in almost every way isn't even a 5 or 10 ENY :noid :noid
:rofl
Cause it don't have the firepower!
You gonna say it gots a 30mm?
:rofl
IMHO the 30mm with the combination of server lag and net lag etc is a JOKE!
In fact I'm gettin so fed up with the lag situation and it's effect on gunnery that I'm thinkin of leaving AHII!
How many you see landing an equal number of kills a spit does?
I can land more kills ina Spit9 then a K4 in a single sortie and have done it!
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:rofl
Cause it don't have the firepower!
You gonna say it gots a 30mm?
:rofl
IMHO the 30mm with the combination of server lag and net lag etc is a JOKE!
In fact I'm gettin so fed up with the lag situation and it's effect on gunnery that I'm thinkin of leaving AHII!
How many you see landing an equal number of kills a spit does?
I can land more kills ina Spit9 then a K4 in a single sortie and have done it!
totally agree, that thing is extremely hard to hit in, I cant, but there are those who can, who do exceptionally well.
I don't like the views of the K4 either, but that is how they were.
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been flying the k4 a little past few weeks.
Once your eye is in and you learn the patience to work for a 200 or less shot easy mode as the rest of them.
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Spit14 should be Eny 15.
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Perk Taters!
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been flying the k4 a little past few weeks.
Once your eye is in and you learn the patience to work for a 200 or less shot easy mode as the rest of them.
Not for me!
Got film of dead 6 shots at 200 or less and the *%$#@ tater goes everywhere but the target! This with the site right on the target!
Got film of misses under 200 at nearly every kinda shot you can think of and the tater goes everywhere but where I aim it.
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IMHO the 30mm with the combination of server lag and net lag etc is a JOKE!
In fact I'm gettin so fed up with the lag situation and it's effect on gunnery that I'm thinkin of leaving AHII!
How many you see landing an equal number of kills a spit does?
I can land more kills ina Spit9 then a K4 in a single sortie and have done it!
I can squeeze a lot more kills per sortie out of a 109 (F4, G2, K4 - doesn't matter which one) than I can get out of any Spitfire. And I never have those "lag" problems. I don't have any problems with my gunnery other than my own ability to hit (or to miss) my target. If it's a tater - One hit, fighter goes down. With the extremely rare exception (<1%) of an oil hit on a Spitfire ;)
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Are you afraid of noobs? :)
Depends whats your noob definition, you and wizer are spit16 flying noobs for example :neener:
My opinion: Unperk the XIV and F4U-1C, leave the XVI alone.
unperk the chog ? no thanks the arena would be FULL of them and the other cv planes would become hangar queens
I am pleased to see there is a consensus about unperking the spit14 :) Another choice would be to leave it perked, but give it the large drop tank, so it can use its superiority at Alt.
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TA-152? P-47M? P-47N? FW-190D-9? 109K-4? LA-7? Yak-9? Unperked.
The Tempest and Spitfire XIV are perked, when really they were used in more numbers and saw more combat then most of the aircraft listed above. The only later war aircraft the British have unperked is the Spitfire XVI, which is essentially a Spitfire L.F. IX. The others, with the exception of the Spit VIII, seem porked. The Mossie is FUBAR and the Typhoon is crippled by torque which seems unfairly modelled compared to other powerful aircraft in AH (which is the same as the Spit XIV actually). Does Mel Gibson have any input on this game? Because it seems very anti British (or English).
British service dates: -
Britain
Boston MK III ... 5-41
Hurricane Mk I ... 5-40
Hurricane IIC ... 4-41
Hurricane IID ... 6-42
Lancaster III ... 3-42
Mosquito Mk VI ... 7-43(ETO),11-43(PTO&CBI)
Spitfire Mk IA ... 8-40
Seafire IIC ... 10-42,11-43(ETO)
Spitfire V ... 4-41
Spitfire VIII ... 7-43
Spitfire Mk IX ... 7-42
Spitfire Mk XIV ... 5-44,7-45(CBI)
Spitfire Mk XVI ... 7-44
Tempest V ... 6-44
Typhoon IB ... 6-43
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,211993.0.html
Don't let Mel Gibson win!!! Unperk the Spit XIV!! ;):D
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TA-152? P-47M? P-47N? FW-190D-9? 109K-4? LA-7? Yak-9? Unperked.
The Tempest and Spitfire XIV are perked, when really they were used in more numbers and saw more combat then most of the aircraft listed above. The only later war aircraft the British have unperked is the Spitfire XVI, which is essentially a Spitfire L.F. IX. The others, with the exception of the Spit VIII, seem porked. The Mossie is FUBAR and the Typhoon is crippled by torque which seems unfairly modelled compared to other powerful aircraft in AH (which is the same as the Spit XIV actually). Does Mel Gibson have any input on this game? Because it seems very anti British (or English).
British service dates: -
Britain
Boston MK III ... 5-41
Hurricane Mk I ... 5-40
Hurricane IIC ... 4-41
Hurricane IID ... 6-42
Lancaster III ... 3-42
Mosquito Mk VI ... 7-43(ETO),11-43(PTO&CBI)
Spitfire Mk IA ... 8-40
Seafire IIC ... 10-42,11-43(ETO)
Spitfire V ... 4-41
Spitfire VIII ... 7-43
Spitfire Mk IX ... 7-42
Spitfire Mk XIV ... 5-44,7-45(CBI)
Spitfire Mk XVI ... 7-44
Tempest V ... 6-44
Typhoon IB ... 6-43
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,211993.0.html
Don't let Mel Gibson win!!! Unperk the Spit XIV!! ;):D
QFT!!
dam we sounding like schlowy. :lol
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Who complain about noobs in Spit16 should spent this time to learn some acm instead :joystick: Personally, i prefer ppl in spit16 rather than La7 or runstang, in spit they usually fight, at least.
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yes, I agree Oleg.
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BnZs is going to have an aneurysm if you force him to explain again that ENY/Perks have nothing to do with service numbers or introduction dates.
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I was unaware only noobs were allowed to fly the spixteen.
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I don't understand what you are implying. Care to clarify?
I'm guessing what you meant was you were unaware noobs are only allowed to fly the spixteen. That would make more of a sensible response to the quote.
My answer is no, obviously not. But it's their plane of choice, isn't that the common belief?
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5 ENY plane a good perk farmer? :headscratch: I doubt that. ..
It is, when you shoot one down! ;)
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Now in all seriousness don't we all prefer someone that will stay and fight (sixteen) then run to deck when he runs out of E? At least you know you will have your hands full, providing you ran into one of those spits that's being flown by a pro noob. Isn't that what we play this game for? Don't you get excited when you reverse after the merge and you can see the other guy doing the same thing.. instead of the usual zoom away? :x
I concur with another statement - all those that want the spit 16 perked need to learn more ACM (nothing personal). Pro noobs get shot down in this ride plenty by others who know what they are doing.
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Nah, not with the XVI around. We are yet to see what would happen with an unperked F4U-1C in an arena full of XVIs.
Yes to unperking the C-hog but last time I checked the arena was more full of pony's the 16's. I believe snailman posted some stats on this issue some time ago.
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I don't understand what you are implying. Care to clarify?
I'm guessing what you meant was you were unaware noobs are only allowed to fly the spixteen. That would make more of a sensible response to the quote.
My answer is no, obviously not. But it's their plane of choice, isn't that the common belief?
I'm just pointing out that any argument regarding perkage because X plane "helps the noobs" is a non-starter for two reasons. First, because *all* perk planes *are* perked precisely *because* they are held to give the player an advantage over most/all other types through their performance. Frankly, if one truly believes the XVI to a large extent negates the disadvantage of inexperience through its performance, then that is a great argument *for* perkage, not the other way around.
Secondly, there is no mechanism whatsoever to prevent a player of any experience level whatsoever from flying a given plane. So any "leveling" effect the noob would enjoy from having access to X plane is negated when he meets a vet in the same ride.
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Secondly, there is no mechanism whatsoever to prevent a player of any experience level whatsoever from flying a given plane. So any "leveling" effect the noob would enjoy from having access to X plane is negated when he meets a vet in the same ride.
I agree with you first paragraph but the second one is wrong. If you perk the sixteen you will prevent a completely new player from flying it, because he doesn't have the perks.
Unless things changes since I arrived and now you are given some perks when you sign up.
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I agree with you first paragraph but the second one is wrong. If you perk the sixteen you will prevent a completely new player from flying it, because he doesn't have the perks.
Unless things changes since I arrived and now you are given some perks when you sign up.
'Sorry bout that, meant given *unperked* plane. Point is, no "leveling" can exist because vets can just jump in the same machine.
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XVI, LA7 and 51D aside, it does seem nuts that the XIV is perked and the 47M isnt ... my KD in a XIV is about 5:1, 47M last tour 12:1 ...
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funny. Your spot on I remember playing around with a B38 and was having a cracking fight with someone i can't remember now. I wore him down to the point of me about to shoot and I see one of ghostCDB's noob squeaker squadmates fly in with a spit 16 spraying over my shoulder for the kill.
He then quickly went back to base to land his 2 kills I was like :furious then he has the cheek to advise me that I should finish my kills quicker! nearly fell out of my chair laughing at that comment.
:rofl You guys hear that? Bruv doesnt kill people quick enough.... Next Ill be told how to properly Tank :rofl Oh wait someone did that yesterday :aok
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'Sorry bout that, meant given *unperked* plane. Point is, no "leveling" can exist because vets can just jump in the same machine.
But.. but that's how it was in RL :old:
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Free the XIV! :old:
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BnZs is going to have an aneurysm if you force him to explain again that ENY/Perks have nothing to do with service numbers or introduction dates.
Yes, but he also thinks that effect on the arena should be ignored, so I wouldn't hold him up as an absolute authority.
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XVI, LA7 and 51D aside, it does seem nuts that the XIV is perked and the 47M isnt ... my KD in a XIV is about 5:1, 47M last tour 12:1 ...
Maybe we should send HT a formal request that all perking be done based off RTHolmes' K/Ds in various aircraft. :lol
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ive heard worse suggestions for basing perkiness on :D
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Yes, but he also thinks that effect on the arena should be ignored, so I wouldn't hold him up as an absolute authority.
By "effect on the arena", you mean popularity. I would appreciate you being honest enough to use that exact word, instead of the vague phrase "effect on the arena" in the future, okay? :aok
Anyway, going by "popularity" the hoi polloi think the SpitXVI is like ~10 times the airplane the Ki-84 is, and likely think the P-51D is, I dunno, 20? times the plane the 109 K-4 is...I don't think the Ki-84 should have an ENY of 50 or the K4 an ENY of 100, do you? :devil
I don't use popularity polls (exactly what usage is) when pondering other questions in life, such as the existence or lack thereof of little green men, or whether or not JFK was murdered by the CIA, so I see no reason to resort to such "mob rule" when considering what a plane's ENY/perk status should be. :D
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If you perk the sixteen what then?
Next will be the Pony and then the M Jug and finally all the F4U's. Hell even the 38 might go.
By leaving the sixteen you give us only one plane to whinge about (except for me who loves it and pwns in it) and so the question of perking other planes before hand is out of the question. Besides the Sixteen could not catch anything short of a Zero :joystick:
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By "effect on the arena", you mean popularity. I would appreciate you being honest enough to use that exact word, instead of the vague phrase "effect on the arena" in the future, okay? :aok
No, I don't mean popularity. I mean a whole bunch of things, including popularity, all of which counter your claims and therefor you say don't count. Your arguments always follow that pattern, you're right because you allow only data that supports your position to be used.
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Never fail, the Karnak/BnZ ENY battle rages on across many threads in the BBS galaxy.
http://www.snotr.com/video/434 (http://www.snotr.com/video/434)
What I think of every time this happens. :lol
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<---dislikes that pesky spit14
Perk it higher than a 262 so no one ever flies it again, says I! :t
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if you unperk planes or perk planes, still not gonna solve any problems.. theres always gonna be an average favourd plane no matter what :lol
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if you unperk planes or perk planes, still not gonna solve any problems.. theres always gonna be an average favourd plane no matter what :lol
:huh
What are you talking about?
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Next will be the Pony and then the M Jug and finally all the F4U's. Hell even the 38 might go.
By leaving the sixteen you give us only one plane to whinge about (except for me who loves it and pwns in it) and so the question of perking other planes before hand is out of the question. Besides the Sixteen could not catch anything short of a Zero :joystick:
No actually I really doubt that by perking the spit 16 other planes will forced to be perked. It wouldn't make sense to perk any other F4u's besides the ones which are already perked. Here's the stats on the F4u1 and F4u1d.
http://www.gonzoville.com/ahcharts/index.php?p1=F4u1&p2=f4u1d (http://www.gonzoville.com/ahcharts/index.php?p1=F4u1&p2=f4u1d)
The M jug is the only plane which has a slight possibility to be perked out of those.
The 38 is slower, accelerates slower, turn worse, and is out climbed by the 51d, La7, and spit16. nearly all of the most used late war rides. the only thing it comes close to is the 16 in speed and climb, but forget it when you hit wep :rolleyes:.
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No actually I really doubt that by perking the spit 16 other planes will forced to be perked. It wouldn't make sense to perk any other F4u's besides the ones which are already perked. Here's the stats on the F4u1 and F4u1d.
http://www.gonzoville.com/ahcharts/index.php?p1=F4u1&p2=f4u1d (http://www.gonzoville.com/ahcharts/index.php?p1=F4u1&p2=f4u1d)
The M jug is the only plane which has a slight possibility to be perked out of those.
The 38 is slower, accelerates slower, turn worse, and is out climbed by the 51d, La7, and spit16. nearly all of the most used late war rides. the only thing it comes close to is the 16 in speed and climb, but forget it when you hit wep :rolleyes:.
The 38L is NOT out-climbed or out-turned by the P-51D. But otherwise, I largely agree with you.
There is ONE environment in AHII where all prop planes are available free. That is the DA lake. The most numerous planes, without a doubt, are the Tempest and the SpitXVI. And I can't say for sure the Tempest is actually number one out of those two. It is very striking that in a true "free-market" and "free-for-all" with most of the populace seeking every a2a advantage, the XVI edges out most perk planes in popularity.
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if you unperk planes or perk planes, still not gonna solve any problems.. theres always gonna be an average favourd plane no matter what :lol
Most popular plane? Probably there always will be. One plane that CLEARLY is advantageous? Not necessarily. A balanced plane set is always possible.
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Most popular plane? Probably there always will be. One plane that CLEARLY is advantageous? Not necessarily. A balanced plane set is always possible.
Exactly, that balance is what keep people from complaining too :)
The 38L is NOT out-climbed or out-turned by the P-51D. But otherwise, I largely agree with you.
38 and 51 turn comparison
(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg44/redcents/P51dandP38Jturnradius-1.jpg)
really no difference if you compare flaps and no flaps.
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Turn radius is only part of the story. Turn rate is also very important, and here the 38 has a clear edge over the 51:
(http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/9725/clipboard01k.jpg)
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There is ONE environment in AHII where all prop planes are available free. That is the DA lake. The most numerous planes, without a doubt, are the Tempest and the SpitXVI. And I can't say for sure the Tempest is actually number one out of those two. It is very striking that in a true "free-market" and "free-for-all" with most of the populace seeking every a2a advantage, the XVI edges out most perk planes in popularity.
how does popularity in the DA furball lake have anything to do with perk in the LW MA? :headscratch:
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What does all this have to do with the unperking of the spit XIV?
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talking about perks, any plane perked 10 or less is just symbolic, since even when i was a noob (and that was yesterday) I could earn more than that in a couple of hours. only planes noobs wont be able to fly for at least a couple of months are the jet planes and maybe the tempest.
semp
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Say weperk the XVI. Say that's a plane someone ups for NOE busting...if its got a 5 perk value on it and he doesn't feel like upping it, what will he turn to next? Niki, LA? I am for a perk but how much would it affect the general census of the community?
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Turn radius is only part of the story. Turn rate is also very important, and here the 38 has a clear edge over the 51:
(http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/9725/clipboard01k.jpg)
Ahh thanks snailman, only have access to some charts, know where I can get others? :)
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Exactly, that balance is what keep people from complaining too :)
38 and 51 turn comparison
(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg44/redcents/P51dandP38Jturnradius-1.jpg)
really no difference if you compare flaps and no flaps.
Check the turn RATES
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how does popularity in the DA furball lake have anything to do with perk in the LW MA? :headscratch:
Because it is a free, competitive market of people mostly *somewhat fighting* (as opposed to porking, bringing something with a big gas tank for vulching,or OPHAing everything) a2a with every available prop plane, most of them looking for the most advantageous ride, oddballs who fly Jugs and 109s in there aside. Needless to say, some of their choices might still be questionable, but the fact that certain non-perk rides stand up there with the perk planes in usefulness IS interesting.
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Ahh thanks snailman, only have access to some charts, know where I can get others? :)
That's from Spatula's Performance Comp Application. You can find it at http://www.major.geek.nz/AKUAG/
But it's a bit outdated, you won't find data "newer" planes like F4U-1A ;)
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By perking the spixteen you wouldn't give noobs a chance.
that may be true but the training wheels would never come off.then what are we left with
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Because it is a free, competitive market
And totally different from the MA environment.
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I've said it once, I'll say it again, and I'm sure I'll say it again: there is no other "fighter" that is as capable as the Spit 16.
It climbs, turns, rolls, and keeps E with the best of them. Its speed chart is nothing to wave off, either. While not the fastest, it moves average at worst in the LW arena, and well above average the higher it gets to 20k. The paired 20mm and a couple of.50cals need nothing said about them. The Spit 16 also carried 1000lbs of ordnance (1/500lb and 2/250lb). That is 3 dead tanks, plus all the air kills one were to tackle while diving in and out.
Compare the Spit 16 and the Spit 14. Keep in mind the typical operating alts for AH (15k max and lower), the only real edge the 14 has is a wee bit of speed and climb from a dead stop. Otherwise, of both have equal or near equal E the race will be very very close, with no real advantage for the 14 until 20k alt is reached. Now, with those 2 very minor attribute differences in mind, take all the other advantages the 16 has over the 14 and I, like many, do not see the reasoning for the 14 to be perked and the 16 to not be perked. Whatever the logic is, I'd wish it be explained.
Why do the ENY scores stop at 5? Why not cut off some of the "borderline" airplanes with the slightest imbalance of teams? Put some of those planes at 2 or 3 ENY? Keep the perked planes perked, and make the really high value ENY aircraft very ENY sensitive. Make the perked aircraft and the really high vaule ENY aircraft "red line" into a bit of a blurry gray line? Yes, there may be a time when the Spit 16 couldnt be taken and the perked Spit 14 could be... but hey... why not? Think about it.