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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: BnZs on December 21, 2009, 12:06:55 PM
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There has always been lame behavior in the MA, but it was formerly mostly the province of the noobish, the desperate, etc. It is my observation that it is now being applied in a refined (I will not use the word "skilled") and systematic manner. Honkin' on the stick and HOing is a primary guns defense for the planes which have the turn rate and firepower. "Runners" aren't just some poor guy in a P-51 diving away from 3 Spits anymore...it is any and every plane heading for ack and friends at the first hint of trouble, really no matter the matchup. I mean, there seem to be great numbers of players whose whole purpose is not to engage the enemy themselves and get valid kills at all, but simply to drag individuals to gang bangs or ack-ack guns. Most planes now seem unwilling to leave their horde for a 1v1 against a singleton, if they do follow you far enough, they often try to run at the first sign you will put up a decent fight, no matter the maneuverability situation. (I have seen an La7 run from an FW-190. I kid you not.) These things have gone from being exceptions to the rule, IMO. I have lost respect for perhaps the majority of pilots playing. I'm beginning to suspect the MA culture not only isn't a majority of the old guard ACM types, it doesn't even respect those values. The monkeys have taken over the temple.
I will actually fight it out from a neutral situation, confident of the win until proven wrong. I used to think that was the bare-minimum, bottom rung standard. But apparently that standard actually puts you head and shoulders above the "pack" these days.
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Yep, and look at the lake in the DA, there is usually two main blobs hanging over or near their base and little feelers extending out to touch the other blob. It is sad. In the MA it is just as bad. Another sad thing I had happen to me the other day was I had a guy in a bomber choose to shoot at an ammo factory with his guns rather than at me. Are buildings really that much more fun than shooting at a fighter that is shooting at you? I don't even expect for anyone to actually merge anymore, they usually try a HO and then fly right by.
Having said all of that, I still manage to have fun most of the time. I just marvel at the gayness that I see constantly though.
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here we go again
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do you not have the choice to not up at a capped field? :bolt:
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Yep, and look at the lake in the DA, there is usually two main blobs hanging over or near their base and little feelers extending out to touch the other blob. It is sad. In the MA it is just as bad. Another sad thing I had happen to me the other day was I had a guy in a bomber choose to shoot at an ammo factory with his guns rather than at me. Are buildings really that much more fun than shooting at a fighter that is shooting at you? I don't even expect for anyone to actually merge anymore, they usually try a HO and then fly right by.
Having said all of that, I still manage to have fun most of the time. I just marvel at the gayness that I see constantly though.
What gets you is when you go a turn or two in an even fight with a pilot who obviously has a "clue", and then when it looks even slightly bad this pilot switches to "Lame" mode and heads for the ack. Sad that someone can be around long enough to pick up a little skill but still not have enough self-respect to fight it out.
The DA lake is superior to the MA. The DA'ers are there to fight for the most part. Granted, they are there to fight 7-8 on one in perk planes if you let them, and HO like nobody's business, but that is better than nothing.
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Well, I'm not ready to throw out game-wide proclamations abou the demise of Aces High.
However, I have noticed something the last few times I've flown.
Twice now I have been deeply involved in a very fun 1v1 only to have someone come in and attack the guy I'm engaged with. The first time, I actually called out on range and asked everyone to stay out. But, unfortunately, somebody either didn't care, or didn't care to listen and jumped in anyway. I suppose the right thing to do would have been to have a temper tantrum at the guy, but I didn't.
The second time it was the same situation except I didn't see the other friendly jumping in until it was too late to call him off.
I've been pretty lucky with finding some good fights, mostly by flying into at least two bad guys alone, and lower. However, I'm finding it very hard to keep a good, involved 1v1 a 1v1.
I still wonder how those fights would have gone...
Anyway, I doubt this is something new, but I don't play much anymore and this is what stuck out to me.
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What gets you is when you go a turn or two in an even fight with a pilot who obviously has a "clue", and then when it looks even slightly bad this pilot switches to "Lame" mode and heads for the ack. Sad that someone can be around long enough to pick up a little skill but still not have enough self-respect to fight it out.
The DA lake is superior to the MA. The DA'ers are there to fight for the most part. Granted, they are there to fight 7-8 on one in perk planes if you let them, and HO like nobody's business, but that is better than nothing.
Troof2
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Yep, and look at the lake in the DA, there is usually two main blobs hanging over or near their base and little feelers extending out to touch the other blob. It is sad. In the MA it is just as bad. Another sad thing I had happen to me the other day was I had a guy in a bomber choose to shoot at an ammo factory with his guns rather than at me. Are buildings really that much more fun than shooting at a fighter that is shooting at you? I don't even expect for anyone to actually merge anymore, they usually try a HO and then fly right by.
Having said all of that, I still manage to have fun most of the time. I just marvel at the gayness that I see constantly though.
Landing taters is always fun :aok
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do you not have the choice to not up at a capped field? :bolt:
Who said anything about upping at a cap field? Although I constantly try to tell my team-mates when the situation comes up that if they allow the uppers to have just a wee bit of space to get their gear up, build some airspeed and THINK they have a chance, they might be more inclined to keep upping and dying instead of giving up and just parking a flotilla of flaks on the runway while a couple of guys circle in the ack. This makes perfect sense to me, but apparently none to anybody else. Almost none of my kills tour-to-tour are planes sitting on the ground.
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That is weird. I have no problem finding fights in my Spit Mk XVI :D
I find people are less willing to fight when I'm in a 109.
There is your hint.
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Try the AvA tonight. Maybe things will be different, who knows, hasn't been 2+ people in there for a month. Maybe just try it.
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Try the Ava tonight. Maybe things will be different, who knows, hasn't been 2+ people in there for a month. Maybe just try it.
i have been flying in AvA lately Hope to see some of you :D
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Yesterday there was a big crowd at a friendly base. I was damaged and going to land. There were plenty of cons and friendlies. One of the cons dove through no telling how many of my friendlies to shoot me wheels down as I touched down. I congratulated him on his first ever kill. :rofl
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That is weird. I have no problem finding fights in my Spit Mk XVI :D
I find people are less willing to fight when I'm in a 109.
There is your hint.
LOL, can't handle the guilt. I have three kills in an XVI this tour. Got a couple of other Spits. Then I followed this poor guy who dove on me with a jug and ton of speed and zoom climbed up and shot him. I mean, there I was, balls to the walls throttle, hanging on the prop, little more torque problems than if I had been in a P-38 or jet. I should have been roped and very dead. I actually apologized to the Jug pilot.
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Yesterday there was a big crowd at a friendly base. I was damaged and going to land. There were plenty of cons and friendlies. One of the cons dove through no telling how many of my friendlies to shoot me wheels down as I touched down. I congratulated him on his first ever kill. :rofl
Bongo did the same thing to me :furious :furious :furious :rofl
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LOL, can't handle the guilt. I have three kills in an XVI this tour. Got a couple of other Spits. Then I followed this poor guy who dove on me with a jug and ton of speed and zoom climbed up and shot him. I mean, there I was, balls to the walls throttle, hanging on the prop, little more torque problems than if I had been in a P-38 or jet. I should have been roped and very dead. I actually apologized to the Jug pilot.
If you feel guilty about flying a cartoon plane, you should quit now.
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Can't stand runners? Get in a Jet.
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Landing taters is always fun :aok
LOL. Oh yeah, specially when you are as horrid at it as I am.
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I haven't played much in months but the last couple of times I did I didn't have any problem finding good fights. I've been flying the I-16 almost exclusively my last few times up and the Bf-110G-2 before that. I figured after all my lobbying for the I-16 I better fly it. The I-16 seems to be a fight magnet and most of these fights have been 1 on 1 or 1 on 2, particularily against Spits. I even got into a 1 on 1 with a Jug. I don't know what he was thinking. I knew I'd love this plane.
What I have noticed lately is the nearly complete and utter lack of anything to fight other than Spits, P-51D's, Doras, K-4's and La-7's.
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I'm lucky. I fly to the horde kill a few, get killed or rtb. Sometimes on the way to or from a horde I find a nice 1v1. I'm lucky in that this is fun for me.
:aok
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In a way BnZs I agree but...I fly mostly Luftwaffe iron and 1v1 is not a good method of survival against all the Spixteens and Tempests being flown in the MA's these days...there is no way I'm going to stick around in my 109G6 against a Spixteen 1v1 unless I started out with an advantage...if I lose it then that's on me, but if it's comin at me and I have the chance to seek assistance...I'm gonna do it. Can't generally stand ack runners myself and I try not to do it. Getting "rope a doped" is just a one of those "it happens"...I'm always mindful of being setup for it and if I'm in a crowd I'll participate.
You shouldn't let it get to you...just do your thing and let the rest of the wannabe's stroke their egos or whine, b*$ch and moan on 200
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here we go again
+1
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there is no way I'm going to stick around in my 109G6 against a Spixteen 1v1 unless I started out with an advantage...
Why not? You're assuming that the XVIs you run into have competent pilots. 95% of the time they do not. The only time I would think twice about fighting a XVI in the 109G-6 1vs1 is when I have more than 75% fuel. If you fly the 109G-6 decently, then you should be able to beat 95% of XVI pilots from a position of disadvantage.
edit: Here's a nice example: http://www.mediafire.com/?jet4mnjgm13 (http://www.mediafire.com/?jet4mnjgm13)
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There has always been lame behavior in the MA, but it was formerly mostly the province of the noobish, the desperate, etc. It is my observation that it is now being applied in a refined (I will not use the word "skilled") and systematic manner. Honkin' on the stick and HOing is a primary guns defense for the planes which have the turn rate and firepower. "Runners" aren't just some poor guy in a P-51 diving away from 3 Spits anymore...it is any and every plane heading for ack and friends at the first hint of trouble, really no matter the matchup. I mean, there seem to be great numbers of players whose whole purpose is not to engage the enemy themselves and get valid kills at all, but simply to drag individuals to gang bangs or ack-ack guns. Most planes now seem unwilling to leave their horde for a 1v1 against a singleton, if they do follow you far enough, they often try to run at the first sign you will put up a decent fight, no matter the maneuverability situation. (I have seen an La7 run from an FW-190. I kid you not.) These things have gone from being exceptions to the rule, IMO. I have lost respect for perhaps the majority of pilots playing. I'm beginning to suspect the MA culture not only isn't a majority of the old guard ACM types, it doesn't even respect those values. The monkeys have taken over the temple.
I will actually fight it out from a neutral situation, confident of the win until proven wrong. I used to think that was the bare-minimum, bottom rung standard. But apparently that standard actually puts you head and shoulders above the "pack" these days.
You are wrong about one thing. It was never the nubes or the desperate. It has always been the so called vets. Pay attention and you will see there is always one of them 2 or 3 plains back waiting for the faster ones to engage you
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I haven't played much in months but the last couple of times I did I didn't have any problem finding good fights. I've been flying the I-16 almost exclusively my last few times up and the Bf-110G-2 before that. I figured after all my lobbying for the I-16 I better fly it. The I-16 seems to be a fight magnet and most of these fights have been 1 on 1 or 1 on 2, particularily against Spits. I even got into a 1 on 1 with a Jug. I don't know what he was thinking. I knew I'd love this plane.
What I have noticed lately is the nearly complete and utter lack of anything to fight other than Spits, P-51D's, Doras, K-4's and La-7's.
I got into a fight with a a6m in my yak 9t the other day really fun fight. I see more 38s than anything I don't mind though big barn flying around. La-7 though is really fun to fly.
Fights are out there.
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I got into a fight with a a6m in my yak 9t the other day really fun fight. I see more 38s than anything I don't mind though big barn flying around. La-7 though is really fun to fly.
Fights are out there.
:D
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:cry :cry :cry
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"Bongo did the same thing to me"
:) IMO the only thing more satisfying, than diving thru a cloud of enemy to kill one of thier
own landing safley, would be to shoot a chootist with one round of ammo. Plink.. BOOM!
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Even someone with a big E advantage is okay as long as they are willing to engage (even if they zoom back up) but the ones that have the 'automatic E machine' known as the K4 and they refuse to push the engagement at all... they deserve the ack treatment.
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Why not? You're assuming that the XVIs you run into have competent pilots. 95% of the time they do not. The only time I would think twice about fighting a XVI in the 109G-6 1vs1 is when I have more than 75% fuel. If you fly the 109G-6 decently, then you should be able to beat 95% of XVI pilots from a position of disadvantage.
edit: Here's a nice example: http://www.mediafire.com/?jet4mnjgm13 (http://www.mediafire.com/?jet4mnjgm13)
LOL...what are you thinking? I always fly the G-6 with 100% fuel. I like having enough fuel to grab alt from an uncapped base and run head long into a fight with enough e to smash and dash if I can help it. It's when those silly Spixteens manage to get on my six that they become a real problem. :D
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just gotta use the reverse psychology to fight the lame tactics.
1. for instance when someone begins to run, i break off and they will come back to me.
2. when there are cherry pickers diving, i roll inverted and they assume I'm about to dive for the deck and they immediately return to space station.
3. when attacking hordes u must resort to picking "they will all pick u if u give em a chance" so keep your speed up and dont become fixated on anyone.
basically if someone wants to be lame don't give em the satisfaction of playing into it. if they wanna run an stay high fine they can play in there little world. :salute
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An inexperienced pilot in a Spitfire Mk16 vs. a more seasoned pilot in a Bf 109G-6 is usually a pretty fun fight from my experience. I like to think I come out on top at least half the time, even :D
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Can't stand runners? Get in a Jet.
Every time I up a jet there always seems to be that 20K pony that makes 1 pass on me, I turn toward him hoping he'll fly back up to 20K and try again (and soon make his way to 15K), but he blows ALL of his alt, runs home, and lands. AH is turning into a no-win situation lately...I've having more fun puddle jumping 163s 5 sectors to get 3 minutes of more intensive action, getting into turn fights with other planes in the 163...it's really a lot of fun. I have been flying with a few 82nd friends in EVE Online and I am having the time of my life, like I used to years back in AH.
Back to the 163...I wish I had more perks to 'blow' but I only have about 130 now (262s on the deck is fun). The 163 kind of brought a new hope to my dog fighting...it encourages people to get on your six since they know it's fast, but they also know it won't run 5 sectors like a 262 would. Now, I only have 10 kills in the 163 this tour on maybe 5 flights, pardon my horrible aim with the cannons :) , but I've duked it out at least twice, on the deck, low and slow.
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Pay attention and you will see there is always one of them 2 or 3 plains back waiting for the faster ones to engage you
I can't help it, the Dora 9's and 51's get there faster than my little P-38G and P-39D can. :D
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I can't help it, the Dora 9's and 51's get there faster than my little P-38G and P-39D can. :D
And I can't help it that my 38G or 39Q ends up in pieces once I do get there! :)
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Bongo did the same thing to me :furious :furious :furious :rofl
Thats funny, bongo did the same to me today. But I agree, the gameplay is getting worse IMO. The average furball/fight alt seems to be increasing, ecleast for me. And im running into more gang spixteens then ever before.
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My latest trick is using a Spitty 1 or Boston...either way they think you're an easy target, and get lax and stupid.
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What amazes me is that people are still playing a game that is allegedly reaching new lows every month since 1999... :headscratch:
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LOL...what are you thinking? I always fly the G-6 with 100% fuel.
So do I, but I intend to burn off at least 25% of it before I attempt hard maneuvers.
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What amazes me is that people are still playing a game that is allegedly reaching new lows every month since 1999... :headscratch:
Yeah and posting the same, "I want attention" threads.
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And I can't help it that my 38G or 39Q ends up in pieces once I do get there! :)
Ahh, but they could help staying out of it though.
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Im relativly new here but have hear the same 'issues' in other sims and other times.
I fight to live, if that means running, I run. if that means a deliberate HO to escape, I will HO.
Dont ask me to fight YOUR fight when its not in MY best interest ;)
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A high ranking player had picked a handful of countrymen and was extending out with his wingman and with me on his 6, knowing he had 5 to 8 seconds left before a likely death, the wingman reversed (didnt fire) and deliberately rammed me.
So wish I had the film, would have posted it in a flash.
The 'vets' flying with their disposable weenie wingmen wind me up the most.
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That is weird. I have no problem finding fights in my Spit Mk XVI :D
I find people are less willing to fight when I'm in a 109.
There is your hint.
nor i in my p38 o doom.
what i DO have a problem doing, however, is providing a good fight to my opponent :aok
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My latest trick is using a Spitty 1 or Boston...either way they think you're an easy target, and get lax and stupid.
actually, when i see an a20, i assume it's either cobia, or snaphook........
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What amazes me is that people are still playing a game that is allegedly reaching new lows every month since 1999... :headscratch:
Well said my German friend. I actually wrote a long reply to this thread but decided it was a waste of time. Just fly a faster plane. When they run, you catch them. If you can't catch them, don't follow them all the way back to their base because you know there will be uppers there unless you are accepting the possibility of getting gang'd. If they fly into ack, don't follow them into ack. Find another victim.
I've not been around as long as Lucshe but I too have seen posts about how bad the game is getting in my short 3 years of playing. Hogwash (and no that doesn't mean a bikkini F4-U wash).
S1n1ster
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Im relativly new here but have hear the same 'issues' in other sims and other times.
I fight to live, if that means running, I run. if that means a deliberate HO to escape, I will HO.
Dont ask me to fight YOUR fight when its not in MY best interest ;)
Heaven forbid you try to improve in any manner.
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I ran into a P47-M last night in my 109G2, he had about 5k alt on me and I was at 10k. He kept BnZing with no success and when I finally equaled out the E and alt he flipped over and dove for the deck. I followed him all the way down, latched onto his 6 the entire way. I leveled out at 3k while he was on the deck, he ended up having to climb to avoid a hill which is where i caught him and knocked his wing clear off. Got the "how can a 109 keep up with a P47M in a dive, thats BS!" argument. I replied with something extremely simple, "Dont run next time learn to fight it out, you might learn something."
I dont understand why some must feel the need to run from a 1v1, I have ran from 3v1s and some 2v1s if I'm at a real disadvantage but 1v1s can easily flip around in your favor with the fight moves. When I first started playing I got shot down over and over and over with out end, but I saw what my opponent was doing and slowly I picked up the moves. By running you gain nothing other than possibly saving your cartoon plane. By staying and fighting, yes you may get shot down but you have the chance of learning something new.
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A high ranking player had picked a handful of countrymen and was extending out with his wingman and with me on his 6, knowing he had 5 to 8 seconds left before a likely death, the wingman reversed (didnt fire) and deliberately rammed me.
So wish I had the film, would have posted it in a flash.
The 'vets' flying with their disposable weenie wingmen wind me up the most.
If you didn't film it, how do you know who it was?
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Shuffler has it on point..... Doing that stuff is pointless, if you wanna fly to live learn to fly better than your opponent, not cheap shot him every chance you get.
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If you didn't film it, how do you know who it was?
Because it was put out on range.
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Because it was put out on range.
Ahhh, rgr. :aok
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If you didn't film it, how do you know who it was?
Usually people report it if they have been shot down by anyone (in-)famous. So if he had picked a few, word is spreading quickly over vox "I'm going down, it's that Snailtard in the 262..." ;)
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Heaven forbid you try to improve in any manner.
No offense Shuffler but...what exactly is the improvement if someone is fighting your fight? There isn't one person in this game that hasn't lost a dogfight even using all of his "skillz" and some uber ride. If 2 Spixteens want to mix it up that's great but it's rarely that kind of situation...so the person who feels as if he is at some sort of disadvantage due to either his knowledge and ability in executing ACM or the plane he chose to fly...should fight on whatever terms he feels are appropriate, not yours. If you want to force your fight on him, there are ways other than calling implying he has a lack of skill just because he doesn't want to fight on your terms.
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Im relativly new here but have hear the same 'issues' in other sims and other times.
I fight to live, if that means running, I run. if that means a deliberate HO to escape, I will HO.
Dont ask me to fight YOUR fight when its not in MY best interest ;)
Ultimately I would think your best interest would be to improve at the game so that you don't have to run or HO in as many situations. The problem with both tactics is that they ultimately are self defeating if you look at it from a point of view of skill development. Speaking as someone who's been here for awhile now (but still a young in' compared to some of these folks :)) you have to sometimes look at the longer development arc and not at the immediate gratification that comes with not getting shot down and strike a balance between the two. Getting shot down repeatedly is no fun we can pretty much all agree on that, however facing down a situation where you know in the past you've lost and coming out the victor, learning, improving is very satisfying. So maybe you (generic you) still avoid engaging in the two or three on one, but the next time there's a higher con and it's a 1v1 stick it out and fight, ask questions, get better. I really believe it's more fun for everyone if we can all try to bring the average skill level up.
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In simple terms,
if you run from fights all you learn is how to run.
if you deliberately HO, all you learn is how to HO.
If you try some of the "pilot sh@t" you learn what works sometimes and what doesn't work.
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A high ranking player had picked a handful of countrymen and was extending out with his wingman and with me on his 6, knowing he had 5 to 8 seconds left before a likely death, the wingman reversed (didnt fire) and deliberately rammed me.
So wish I had the film, would have posted it in a flash.
The 'vets' flying with their disposable weenie wingmen wind me up the most.
This is total BS. How can the other guy even know where you are? unless you decide to follow straight through on a HO and he rolls 90 degrees and does the same? You cant. There is no way to deliberately RAM unless both parties cooperate.
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One instant way of getting more out of the game is to do everything you can to avoid the HO. That said,when i'm in my 190 and if someone insists on it,they get a couple of free passes, I'll fire on the third.
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There is no way to deliberately RAM unless both parties cooperate.
Wrong all knowing almighty know all. :rolleyes:
Fly a sortie with me. I ram on purpose whether they want me to or not.
Im sure a few on here will agree with me.
So please know whats your talking about before you post your nonsense.
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This is total BS. How can the other guy even know where you are? unless you decide to follow straight through on a HO and he rolls 90 degrees and does the same? You cant. There is no way to deliberately RAM unless both parties cooperate.
If you want more info, we were in the same ride, and I was coming in from maybe a 3k alt advantage with a lot of smash tho with little maneuverability,If I coulda turned,I would,If I knew I was gonna get rammed I'd have gone for the wingman. But these days you see so much of that tardishness,you just gotta suck it up and move on I guess.
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Wrong all knowing almighty know all. :rolleyes:
Fly a sortie with me. I ram on purpose whether they want me to or not.
Im sure a few on here will agree with me.
So please know whats your talking about before you post your nonsense.
Im sure the almighty all-skilled bipolar has all the answers on how exactly to RAM. :rolleyes:
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One instant way of getting more out of the game is to do everything you can to avoid the HO. That said,when i'm in my 190 and if someone insists on it,they get a couple of free passes, I'll fire on the third.
You might as well just kill him on the 2nd because if he does it the first time he will also on the second.
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If you expect anything other than getting picked in the MA, ganged by 7 cons, or HO'd on every pass, you are setting yourself up for disappointment. Play by your own rules, that's what everybody else is doing.
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Im sure the almighty all-skilled bipolar has all the answers on how exactly to RAM. :rolleyes:
Not all the answers but it is as easy as setting up a shot. :aok
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Another nugget of information for the newer guys -
Detune 200, shoulda done it years ago
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Im relativly new here but have hear the same 'issues' in other sims and other times.
I fight to live, if that means running, I run. if that means a deliberate HO to escape, I will HO.
Dont ask me to fight YOUR fight when its not in MY best interest ;)
is running fun? i mean....well......you're flying straight n level to run. not much excitement. kinda like watching paint peel.
ho'ing....well....almost the same thing. stationary target. no apparent motion. no challenge to hit a non moving target. is that really fun? kinda like watching the peeled paint fall off.
i never really ask my opponent to fight "my" fight. i do, however try to sucker him into it. just like he's trying to sucker me into his fight. but that's the fun of it......
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Great... since I could swear I have seen where Hitech himself said this was impossible why dont you take Hitech himself away from his busy schedule and prove to him you can collide any time you want? Then post the film for us all to see. :aok
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No offense Shuffler but...what exactly is the improvement if someone is fighting your fight? There isn't one person in this game that hasn't lost a dogfight even using all of his "skillz" and some uber ride. If 2 Spixteens want to mix it up that's great but it's rarely that kind of situation...so the person who feels as if he is at some sort of disadvantage due to either his knowledge and ability in executing ACM or the plane he chose to fly...should fight on whatever terms he feels are appropriate, not yours. If you want to force your fight on him, there are ways other than calling implying he has a lack of skill just because he doesn't want to fight on your terms.
i fought shuffler a few weeks ago. i was keeping my alt, and speed, because i suspected it was him....and he kicks my arse in turnfights. :devil
he never once complained that i didn't fight his fight. he simply kept trying to turn a disadvantage into an advantage. he did manage to land some rounds on me in the process too.
the point is, you fight some sort of style, you learn. you run, you don't learn.
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Great... since I could swear I have seen where Hitech himself said this was impossible why dont you take Hitech himself away from his busy schedule and prove to him you can collide any time you want? Then post the film for us all to see. :aok
do a search. there is a film posted of someone doing this.
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Great... since I could swear I have seen where Hitech himself said this was impossible why dont you take Hitech himself away from his busy schedule and prove to him you can collide any time you want? Then post the film for us all to see. :aok
It can be done... take for example, a plane AFK on autoclimb. You have to assume on your end seeing him he is slightly in front of where you see him. If you want to ram him, you'd fly above him and zoom right by him as close as you could without ramming on your end. That being sad, I don't think intentional ramming has any practical purpose. Why not just shoot him? The only purpose I can come up with is Ar234 ramming. :lol
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Well one thing I see and it never seems to change is the ability to excel at the game and then announce to everyone else how good I am and how bad the opposition is. I'm sure this breeds good will among the other players in the game. Would it not serve the community better as a whole to lend assistance and pass on ones skills to others by offering your help. Let them know what they did right first. It might make a person more open to, not criticism, but a critique of areas they can improve on. Oh and if those that think they are as good as they think they are, I'm sure they would be willing to invite some of these unworthy minions to a training session in the TA so they can improve. It might surprise you that by passing on your skills to others the game might be improved over time, and you fights might become more enjoyable.
BnZs thank you again last night for clearing my six.
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Another nugget of information for the newer guys -
Detune 200, shoulda done it years ago
And add to the the permasquelch of certain critters you dont ever want to hear from and your golden! :aok
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Well one thing I see and it never seems to change is the ability to excel at the game and then announce to everyone else how good I am and how bad the opposition is. I'm sure this breeds good will among the other players in the game. Would it not serve the community better as a whole to lend assistance and pass on ones skills to others by offering your help. Let them know what they did right first. It might make a person more open to, not criticism, but a critique of areas they can improve on. Oh and if those that think they are as good as they think they are, I'm sure they would be willing to invite some of these unworthy minions to a training session in the TA so they can improve. It might surprise you that by passing on your skills to others the game might be improved over time, and you fights might become more enjoyable.
BnZs thank you again last night for clearing my six.
I'm sure I'm not alone in this but I'm more than happy to offer pointers to someone I recently beat. All they have to do is politely ask. Offering up pointers without being asked is likely to have the opposite effect I think. I'm not a hotshot pilot, there are several people in this very thread who could probably beat me 9 times out 10 but I have been doing it awhile and could at least pass on some basics. People just have to ask, like I said earlier I think we all benefit if we can raise the average level of skill in the game.
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It can be done... take for example, a plane AFK on autoclimb. You have to assume on your end seeing him he is slightly in front of where you see him. If you want to ram him, you'd fly above him and zoom right by him as close as you could without ramming on your end. That being sad, I don't think intentional ramming has any practical purpose. Why not just shoot him? The only purpose I can come up with is Ar234 ramming. :lol
Sounds like random space anomalies and not an acquired ability. :rolleyes:
The only way to prove this is with Hitech. :D
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Great... since I could swear I have seen where Hitech himself said this was impossible why dont you take Hitech himself away from his busy schedule and prove to him you can collide any time you want? Then post the film for us all to see. :aok
will do :aok
You are more than welcome to fly with me anytime you wish.
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Sounds like random space anomalies and not an acquired ability. :rolleyes:
The only way to prove this is with Hitech. :D
need some tissue for that brown nose bud?
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No offense Shuffler but...what exactly is the improvement if someone is fighting your fight? There isn't one person in this game that hasn't lost a dogfight even using all of his "skillz" and some uber ride. If 2 Spixteens want to mix it up that's great but it's rarely that kind of situation...so the person who feels as if he is at some sort of disadvantage due to either his knowledge and ability in executing ACM or the plane he chose to fly...should fight on whatever terms he feels are appropriate, not yours. If you want to force your fight on him, there are ways other than calling implying he has a lack of skill just because he doesn't want to fight on your terms.
The key to the whole thing in my mind is we have unlimited do-overs. The only way you learn the limits of your ability and the bird you fly, is to push it, not run from it. That's all Shuff is saying. Most 51D drivers limit what they do. But there are a few that have learned to push it to the edge and they can knife fight with just about anyone. Same goes for the Jug drivers.
Because there is absolutely no risk to engaging in a fight, the reward is testing you ability.
If you limit yourself because you want to 'live', so be it. But don't expect folks to be impressed when it proves nothing in terms of ability.
If it were a one life game, then I could see it. In Scenarios I'll fly it differently because you do get limited lives. To me the fun of the MA is putting myself into situations that make me work for it. OK so I die often. But I think I can move my old 38G pretty well now against most folks in the game.
The artificial rewards in the game like points, rank, landed kills messages etc, promote the idea of 'living' and for many folks is how they rate their cartoon pilot skills. That's fine if that's how they want to do it. I'd rather spend my limited AH time mixing it up and testing my cartoon pilot skills, or lack therof, by fighting, regardless of the odds.
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Sounds like random space anomalies and not an acquired ability. :rolleyes:
The only way to prove this is with Hitech. :D
Think about it, if a plane is on auto climb, he is going to be slightly ahead of where you see him on your end. If he has a 200ms and you have a 200ms. He is ~400ms in front of his same trajectory of where you see him. If you point your nose for that spot, i.e. zoom above and in front and narrowly miss him on your end, you will ram the heck out of him on his end. This would actually have practical use in the Ar234 since it is fast and has no front guns (ask pervert :lol) but other than that, if you are good enough to angle your plane for narrow misses, you are good enough to kill him with your guns. Also, if your enemy sees you coming all he has to do is move and your 'intentional ram' is spoiled. I'm fairly certain HiTech would agree with me, although like I said, other than this one situation, intentional ramming is near impossible with zero practicality.
Edit: And when I say intentional ramming, I speak with the assumption that the rammer is avoiding the ram on his end.
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Lately, I've seen a lot more 'atta-boys' when people land kills, regardless of how they were obtained.
Even some people known for vulching shades are considered pillars of community now.
Some things change, some things never do.
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Lately, I've seen a lot more 'atta-boys' when people land kills, regardless of how they were obtained.
Even some people known for vulching shades are considered pillars of community now.
Some things change, some things never do.
Im Silats shade :noid :noid
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You are wrong about one thing. It was never the nubes or the desperate. It has always been the so called vets. Pay attention and you will see there is always one of them 2 or 3 plains back waiting for the faster ones to engage you
+100
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But I think I can move my old 38G pretty well now against most folks in the game.
38G is teh UBER! not to troublesome to move around!! :aok
Actually goes for all the 38s IMO :banana: :cheers:
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Well one thing I see and it never seems to change is the ability to excel at the game and then announce to everyone else how good I am and how bad the opposition is. I'm sure this breeds good will among the other players in the game. Would it not serve the community better as a whole to lend assistance and pass on ones skills to others by offering your help. Let them know what they did right first. It might make a person more open to, not criticism, but a critique of areas they can improve on. Oh and if those that think they are as good as they think they are, I'm sure they would be willing to invite some of these unworthy minions to a training session in the TA so they can improve. It might surprise you that by passing on your skills to others the game might be improved over time, and you fights might become more enjoyable.
BnZs thank you again last night for clearing my six.
I'm sure I'm not alone in this but I'm more than happy to offer pointers to someone I recently beat. All they have to do is politely ask. Offering up pointers without being asked is likely to have the opposite effect I think. I'm not a hotshot pilot, there are several people in this very thread who could probably beat me 9 times out 10 but I have been doing it awhile and could at least pass on some basics. People just have to ask, like I said earlier I think we all benefit if we can raise the average level of skill in the game.
Probably the 2 most honest quotes I have read in this thread to this point. I have in fact asked for an opinion from Soulyss a couple times, and have always recieved a response :salute I can say the same for quite a few of the 38 jocks in game actually.
Wagger I really like the idea behind what you are saying, but have never had it happen during my short time in game, would like to see it, and have actually seen it as of late in MW, just never been on the recieving end. So far as the game reaching new lows, yea maybe in some sense, but it seems to me tha the BBS is the place reaching the new lows. How often is something positive posted here, its always a bit@h thread about this or that.
Now my recent problem is I have switched rides, due to my lack of reaction between my brain and hands, and just being hamfisted :joystick: in general, so does anyone have tips on knife fighting a 51B? :x
Time to go fly :salute :bolt:
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Probably the 2 most honest quotes I have read in this thread to this point. I have in fact asked for an opinion from Soulyss a couple times, and have always recieved a response :salute I can say the same for quite a few of the 38 jocks in game actually.
Wagger I really like the idea behind what you are saying, but have never had it happen during my short time in game, would like to see it, and have actually seen it as of late in MW, just never been on the recieving end. So far as the game reaching new lows, yea maybe in some sense, but it seems to me tha the BBS is the place reaching the new lows. How often is something positive posted here, its always a bit@h thread about this or that.
Now my recent problem is I have switched rides, due to my lack of reaction between my brain and hands, and just being hamfisted :joystick: in general, so does anyone have tips on knife fighting a 51B? :x
Time to go fly :salute :bolt:
I try to ask questions of anyone I get beat by, and to discuss the fight as well. That's one of the ways I try to learn, and make some virtual friends. You can meet some good guys that way, and learn something new, and improve your own game to boot! It's win/win as far as I'm concerned. I love that stuff.
My playing time has been somewhat limited lately, but I still manage to find good 1v1s a lot of the time. Maybe it's because I'm pretty mediocre, so I don't have to have a real hot stick to be able to give me a good fight. I see that weak behavior all the time, the ack running and ganging and picking and all that, but it's not really that big a deal. Diamond miners see mostly rocks, but it's the diamonds that make it all worthwhile.
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Lately, I've seen a lot more 'atta-boys' when people land kills, regardless of how they were obtained.
Even some people known for vulching shades are considered pillars of community now.
Some things change, some things never do.
generally, i thank people for doing tht, and then tell em that X kills were proxies.
i rarely vulch......
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In simple terms,
if you run from fights all you learn is how to run.
if you deliberately HO, all you learn is how to HO.
If you try some of the "pilot sh@t" you learn what works sometimes and what doesn't work.
after 10+ years, I have a pretty good idea what works and what doesnt in a given situation.
a fight in anything but the dueling arena is NOT a duel and assuming it is just plain dumb.
it takes great deal of smarts to know when you CAN run from a fight once that fight has started and once you have lost the advantage you run away until you regain the advantage.
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Lately, I've seen a lot more 'atta-boys' when people land kills, regardless of how they were obtained.
Even some people known for vulching shades are considered pillars of community now.
Some things change, some things never do.
You vultch shades? Are you coming out with this fresh or is this well known already? I mean it has to assumed by a few since you fly P-38s and have a k/d way above average but... I would have given you the benefit of a doubt.
maybe. :D
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Think about it, if a plane is on auto climb, he is going to be slightly ahead of where you see him on your end. If he has a 200ms and you have a 200ms. He is ~400ms in front of his same trajectory of where you see him. If you point your nose for that spot, i.e. zoom above and in front and narrowly miss him on your end, you will ram the heck out of him on his end. This would actually have practical use in the Ar234 since it is fast and has no front guns (ask pervert :lol) but other than that, if you are good enough to angle your plane for narrow misses, you are good enough to kill him with your guns. Also, if your enemy sees you coming all he has to do is move and your 'intentional ram' is spoiled. I'm fairly certain HiTech would agree with me, although like I said, other than this one situation, intentional ramming is near impossible with zero practicality.
Edit: And when I say intentional ramming, I speak with the assumption that the rammer is avoiding the ram on his end.
I understand what you are saying but of course when I say its impossible I am not talking about auto-anything because that is setting preconditions upon what should be a random situation. I believe the comment was 'whether you want me to or not'... that right there implies the con is trying to avoid the collision. So grab Hitech (if he has the time) and show him how you can force this collision and then show us all the film.
After your done I bet Bipolar has a lot more brown on him than just his nose because he is full of it on this one.
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You are more than welcome to fly with me anytime you wish.
Why would I fly with you? I squelch you everytime I see your online so I dont have to listen to your screams.
You got that film yet? :D
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:lol oh the arrogance of some
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There has always been lame behavior in the MA, but it was formerly mostly the province of the noobish, the desperate, etc. It is my observation that it is now being applied in a refined (I will not use the word "skilled") and systematic manner. Honkin' on the stick and HOing is a primary guns defense for the planes which have the turn rate and firepower. "Runners" aren't just some poor guy in a P-51 diving away from 3 Spits anymore...it is any and every plane heading for ack and friends at the first hint of trouble, really no matter the matchup. I mean, there seem to be great numbers of players whose whole purpose is not to engage the enemy themselves and get valid kills at all, but simply to drag individuals to gang bangs or ack-ack guns. Most planes now seem unwilling to leave their horde for a 1v1 against a singleton, if they do follow you far enough, they often try to run at the first sign you will put up a decent fight, no matter the maneuverability situation. (I have seen an La7 run from an FW-190. I kid you not.) These things have gone from being exceptions to the rule, IMO. I have lost respect for perhaps the majority of pilots playing. I'm beginning to suspect the MA culture not only isn't a majority of the old guard ACM types, it doesn't even respect those values. The monkeys have taken over the temple.
I will actually fight it out from a neutral situation, confident of the win until proven wrong. I used to think that was the bare-minimum, bottom rung standard. But apparently that standard actually puts you head and shoulders above the "pack" these days.
You are just getting burned out. I can practically guarantee that gameplay hasn't substantially changed since I stopped playing and that was about 4 years ago. The same behaviour you are complaining about now is what tired me of this game all those years ago. The game hits new lows every single day, but unless you are getting burned out on it, you never notice.
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People can intentional ram people in game as Grizz has proven lol, most of the rams in game are the result of people trying to squeeze in every last second of ho/front quarter shot they can I don't believe these rams are intentional however for some reason I always seem to go down be it lose a wing an engine etc the other guy gets at worst a smoking engine.
Its not one of those things that 'evens out' over the course of time I would say 95% of the time in a collison I go down while the other guy flys off whats the point in that its like super deadly puffy its just been an annoying waste of 10 minutes of my time. I would bet if it was set up that a collison resulted in both planes being destroyed you'd see a lot less of them.
Regards the OP and hoing why not ho them back? look for what they do on the first merge see tracers? the ho light is on :lol I went for years never hoing I found out anyone nobody really cares tbh they just want to shoot you down as easily as is possible. Why drive yourself nuts with an honor thing that the hoer doesn't care about :rolleyes:
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Why drive yourself nuts with an honor thing that the hoer doesn't care about :rolleyes:
Its not that mach the honor thing. It is what you mentioned earlier. A waste of 10 minutes of my life. Have it done 3 times in a row and there goes 30 minutes.
Here is what the ho ho ho I fly like a real war pilit crowd does not understand. There is nothing realistic or smart about what they do, and there is no penalty for it. If this was real and you did die for real, would any of these heroes have the balls to pull his nose towards a 110 while he had alt and numbers advantage? I don't think so. Here you get zeros and Hurri 1s going for it. It is just stupid. On top of it, they get really worked up when some one tells them <nice HO> and they claim high deflection shot. Really? would you have even thought of trying it if the chance of caching a 30mm in the head was real?
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why waste your time and give it away for free crutch :headscratch:
just direct them to where they can buy the books :D :D :D
"toontown" :rofl
after 10+ years, I have a pretty good idea what works and what doesnt in a given situation.
a fight in anything but the dueling arena is NOT a duel and assuming it is just plain dumb.
it takes great deal of smarts to know when you CAN run from a fight once that fight has started and once you have lost the advantage you run away until you regain the advantage.
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the Game reaches a new level of Fun to me,
- if someone tries to ho me, i roll him out
- if ones runs away, i accept it
- if some ackhugging, if their free choice, ok for me
- we got pretty good updates the last month, i enjoy the new graphics realy
- ah offers so many different options to play, everyone find his seat
- when fighting with my squadmates many vs many, its great fun!
- winging up for some short sorties is double fun
- talking on TS about all and everything is great friendship
- flying scenarios is big fun
- doing long distance cover flights is great too
- when thing happend , thing work out as the were planned is a great pleasure
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this can be a long list, but please stop this bashing AND whining soup, if the game is that bad, stop playing! If not, have Fun!
P.S. the sign up date means not one has never flown before another mmo sim before.......
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the Game reaches a new level of Fun to me,
- if someone tries to ho me, i roll him out
- if ones runs away, i accept it
- if some ackhugging, if their free choice, ok for me
- we got pretty good updates the last month, i enjoy the new graphics realy
- ah offers so many different options to play, everyone find his seat
- when fighting with my squadmates many vs many, its great fun!
- winging up for some short sorties is double fun
- talking on TS about all and everything is great friendship
- flying scenarios is big fun
- doing long distance cover flights is great too
- when thing happend , thing work out as the were planned is a great pleasure
Q.F.T. :aok
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There has always been lame behavior in the MA, but it was formerly mostly the province of the noobish, the desperate, etc. It is my observation that it is now being applied in a refined (I will not use the word "skilled") and systematic manner. Honkin' on the stick and HOing is a primary guns defense for the planes which have the turn rate and firepower. "Runners" aren't just some poor guy in a P-51 diving away from 3 Spits anymore...it is any and every plane heading for ack and friends at the first hint of trouble, really no matter the matchup. I mean, there seem to be great numbers of players whose whole purpose is not to engage the enemy themselves and get valid kills at all, but simply to drag individuals to gang bangs or ack-ack guns. Most planes now seem unwilling to leave their horde for a 1v1 against a singleton, if they do follow you far enough, they often try to run at the first sign you will put up a decent fight, no matter the maneuverability situation. (I have seen an La7 run from an FW-190. I kid you not.) These things have gone from being exceptions to the rule, IMO. I have lost respect for perhaps the majority of pilots playing. I'm beginning to suspect the MA culture not only isn't a majority of the old guard ACM types, it doesn't even respect those values. The monkeys have taken over the temple.
I will actually fight it out from a neutral situation, confident of the win until proven wrong. I used to think that was the bare-minimum, bottom rung standard. But apparently that standard actually puts you head and shoulders above the "pack" these days.
Where have you been? This has been going on for a looooong time. Rooks are and have been notorious for this. Your just seeing more from all sides doing it now....? Hence, rooks land more kills I suppose.
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Where have you been? This has been going on for a looooong time. Rooks are and have been notorius for this. Your just seeing more from all sides doing it now....? Hence, rooks land more kills I suppose.
What you need to do is get out of your shell and fly other the other chesspiece. Or would that be blasphamy?. This has nothing to do with what country you fly. Ive seen Rooks, knits and bish use lame tactics. IMO..2 things that ruin this game is 1) Rank/Score: people feel the need to be #1 so they dweeb the game down by vulching their first few sorties of the tour in fighter mode, camping spawns in their shermans and bombing strats at midnight. Its said that the best guys to fight are the ones between 100-500 range. Most of these guys will up capped feilds and get down and dirty in knife fights.
Second..(and I know Im gonna get flamed.).is landgrabbing. Fighting for land and fighting for your cartoon life have completly different dynamics. IMO, this game lately has been a race to reset rather than just having fun.
Dynamics in landgrabbing: Send a horde to some undefended feild..110s on town, typhs take down vh and any GVs that got out ( hope that you dont auger).Niks gaurd the goons and spray anything in the face that takes off on the runway...simple. My point is, playing for real estate puts players in this mode that its all or nothing and doing so creats a gamey playing enviroment.
There is a certain honor between airmen that was recognized even during the great wars by their adversary. You can say its very similar to our cartoon life here. The most respected guys here are ones that 1) know the aircraft they are flying and its capabilites 2) know your a/c and its capabilities 3) know the situation at hand and try to get out and triumph even during overwhelming odds. ITS A GAME, you have cartoon lives, you can try again and again and soon enough youll learn from your mistakes and improve.
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What you need to do is get out of your shell and fly other the other chesspiece. Or would that be blasphamy?. This has nothing to do with what country you fly. Ive seen Rooks, knits and bish use lame tactics.
Are you slow? What does me flying in another country got to do with what I said?
When I said "Your just seeing more from all sides doing it now....?" means that I cant beleive he is just seeing that all sides use lame tactics.
Besides, if I switched to another side, that means I cant shoot you down anymore. :D
Be sure to lick your mess off my sox when your done with my ankle....... sugerplum
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Besides, if I switched to another side, that means I cant pick you anymore. :D
THERE fixed. I was hoping you switching sides will lessen the fist pounding baby tantrums you throw on 200, but I'm guess it wouldn't be.
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THERE fixed. I was hoping you switching sides will lessen the fist pounding baby tantrums you throw on 200, but I'm guess it wouldn't be.
When you get elected as the AH mayor, let me know.
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When you get elected as the AH mayor, let me know.
:huh :noid
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Why would I fly with you? I squelch you everytime I see your online so I dont have to listen to your screams.
You got that film yet? :D
huh? what film?
squelch away kid, think im going chalenge hunting tonight :)
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Where's our Biplanes!
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Bip remember he will be at 30K to conserve fuel
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LOL So much overgeneralized and deleted info to even make a valid point.
Here is some of the deleted info. A certain sqaud or group or guys comes over "looking for a fight"
I up and just about the time i get gear up I get bounced not by ONE Guy "looking for a fight" but by three or more in a row. The 4th or 5th guy happens to have angles and gets the kill. Hell ya im going to stay in the ack. Then I get hey come out of the ack and fight F4u. on 200 by vet players that I know can duel.
So I up again this time skimming the noe. go past icon range and climb out come back co alt. Get one of these guys in a fight and four squadies jump in and pick you to death. So YES I will HO you and run like hell oh i mean extend. OR I have to go back to ack. Which is then fun to watch them fly though tons of ack trying to get the kill yet wont go 1 v 1.
The other night I shot down three on one only to have two of them come back with low eny planes a niki and la7 this time engaged la7 no fight niki tryied to pick.
It is the supposed VETS doing this IT makes for Poor game play. And teaches newer guys to do just what you are saying. Run Hide in ack and ho.
Some of you are teaching this behaviour by your own lame game play.
I say show me the Film. If you get HOed by me it was your own fault. YOU wont find my hoing one a `1 v1 or 1 v2 you gang me Ill take any shot.
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LOL So much overgeneralized and deleted info to even make a valid point.
Here is some of the deleted info. A certain sqaud or group or guys comes over "looking for a fight"
I up and just about the time i get gear up I get bounced not by ONE Guy "looking for a fight" but by three or more in a row. The 4th or 5th guy happens to have angles and gets the kill. Hell ya im going to stay in the ack. Then I get hey come out of the ack and fight F4u. on 200 by vet players that I know can duel.
So I up again this time skimming the noe. go past icon range and climb out come back co alt. Get one of these guys in a fight and four squadies jump in and pick you to death. So YES I will HO you and run like hell oh i mean extend. OR I have to go back to ack. Which is then fun to watch them fly though tons of ack trying to get the kill yet wont go 1 v 1.
The other night I shot down three on one only to have two of them come back with low eny planes a niki and la7 this time engaged la7 no fight niki tryied to pick.
It is the supposed VETS doing this IT makes for Poor game play. And teaches newer guys to do just what you are saying. Run Hide in ack and ho.
Some of you are teaching this behaviour by your own lame game play.
I say show me the Film. If you get HOed by me it was your own fault. YOU wont find my hoing one a `1 v1 or 1 v2 you gang me Ill take any shot.
i've long said it's the vets doing this crap. not all of em. just some.
as much as i hate to say it, there's only one way it's gonna stop. call em on it. here. on 200. whatever it takes, they need to be called.
once they're exposed in their lies, they'll stop.
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Guys using REAL wingman tactics will do just what you were talking about, sans the taunting.
only in dueling is a fight 'fair' :O
everywhere else, expect to be outnumbered, ganged whatever.
in RL pilots didnt have the option to come up from another airfield if theirs was capped. YOU DO.
come up from another fld, spend the time to get alt and then counter-vultch the vultchers. vultching WAS a real tactic much used in the wars.
one thing you dont see is the RL tactic of sending a solo low with his mates high and ready to bounce on anyone that tries to tag their 'bait' ;)
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No offense Shuffler but...what exactly is the improvement if someone is fighting your fight? There isn't one person in this game that hasn't lost a dogfight even using all of his "skillz" and some uber ride. If 2 Spixteens want to mix it up that's great but it's rarely that kind of situation...so the person who feels as if he is at some sort of disadvantage due to either his knowledge and ability in executing ACM or the plane he chose to fly...should fight on whatever terms he feels are appropriate, not yours. If you want to force your fight on him, there are ways other than calling implying he has a lack of skill just because he doesn't want to fight on your terms.
You put your personal feelings of yourself into what I posted.
Let me rephrase it so you might see what I'm saying.
If you let yourself think that you are going to lose most every fight, you most likely will. Even when falling back on trying to ho, you will fail your shot many times. You'll be self restricted to this maneuver most every time. The reason is you don't try getting out of the rut you make for yourself.
If you start trying to maneuver you will die a lot at first. After awhile you'll see what works and what doesn't work for you. You may pickup other moves by filming and seeing what your opponent is doing as you maneuver. By doing this you will improve and the ho will be a thing of the past in your bag of tricks. You'll also have a much larger bag of tricks which makes you a harder opponent to beat. Before you know it you'll be having fun in fights rather than trying to stay out of them.
There is nothing negative towards you in this post. If you feel there is, you might try re-reading it when your feeling better. Just trying to help! <S>
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The other night I shot down three on one only to have two of them come back with low eny planes a niki and la7 this time engaged la7 no fight niki tryied to pick.
It is the supposed VETS doing this IT makes for Poor game play. And teaches newer guys to do just what you are saying. Run Hide in ack and ho.
Some of you are teaching this behaviour by your own lame game play.
Agreed
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Guys using REAL wingman tactics will do just what you were talking about, sans the taunting.
only in dueling is a fight 'fair' :O
everywhere else, expect to be outnumbered, ganged whatever.
in RL pilots didnt have the option to come up from another airfield if theirs was capped. YOU DO.
come up from another fld, spend the time to get alt and then counter-vultch the vultchers. vultching WAS a real tactic much used in the wars.
Sure, but folks who fly that way have no excuse to come here and whine about HOing, running to ack/friends, and other "dweebish" game play. Pot, kettle, black, etc.
What I find hilarious is how many of the blowhards on these forums saying "Try some of that 'pile-it' stuff you might learn something" are the ones I most often see in the MA doing all the stuff you mention. Just how much does one learn flying around at 20k waiting to pick the lone con one's 3 friends have engaged? And what lesson does the guy getting picked learn, except to run for ack/friends or do whatever else it takes not to get killed that way?
"UR flyin lik a dw33b" usually just means "You're not paying your dues by letting me kill you when I have all the advantages." Half the guys saying it are the first ones to run home to Momma in their la-las and k4s as soon as they no longer have alt and numbers.
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after 10+ years, I have a pretty good idea what works and what doesnt in a given situation.
a fight in anything but the dueling arena is NOT a duel and assuming it is just plain dumb.
it takes great deal of smarts to know when you CAN run from a fight once that fight has started and once you have lost the advantage you run away until you regain the advantage.
why waste your time and give it away for free crutch :headscratch:
just direct them to where they can buy the books :D :D :D
"toontown" :rofl
So there's a book that teaches you to run away? Seems like a lot of the guys here have already read it...
Don't know about a new low. It's the same as it's always been, some guys will never fight straight up if they can help it and they can find all kind of ways to justify that. Luckily there's enough good fights to make up for the griefing.
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after 10+ years, I have a pretty good idea what works and what doesnt in a given situation.
a fight in anything but the dueling arena is NOT a duel and assuming it is just plain dumb.
it takes great deal of smarts to know when you CAN run from a fight once that fight has started and once you have lost the advantage you run away until you regain the advantage.
I bought Shaw's book as well as "In Pursuit" AND "Check 6", all are sitting on my shelf. I've read all three.
If we are talking "real life" I can understand the above statement, but where's the fun in ALWAYS fighting with the advantage? This is a game after all, why run away to reset a fight you lost an advantage on....if you even had one to start with. Is it smart to dive in on 3 bad guys, no, but its a heck of a lot of fun to beat all three.
If you want to circle at 20k, and ONLY make a pass at a guy while he's busy, or your coming out of the sun, or your wingman has him roped, you are selling yourself short. The top "cartoon pilots" (not the bozo's at the top of the scoreboard) don't have any special codes, or planes. They have a ton of practice under their belts and know the very edge of the limits of not only their planes, but the ones they are fighting. There are guys flying this game that can run up 50 kill runs with-out a death and NEVER go over 10k ! By limiting yourself to 20K BnZ runs and disengaging everytime you "think" you have lost the advantage, then that is ALL you will ever be able to do.
If I run away from a fight I certainly DO NOT believe I won the fight, however if I make someone run away from me, I believe I have won the fight, they have forfeited the fight to me.
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Bip remember he will be at 30K to conserve fuel
lol i know
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Frankly, everytime a clandestine 'vet' comes here and complains how MA "dweebs" and "n00bs" have all ruined the "art of fighting" or whatever abstract bullshi* self-gratifying crap they spew, it can always be summarized in a few key points:
1. "You aren't letting me kill you and it's no fun for me"
2. "You should 'learn to fight' by becoming my cannon fodder"
4. "It's only a game. You trying to survive is lame. You should die on the spot when I attack"
5. "Unlike you, I survive purely with my ph34rD l33t skillz, so those things I say doesn't count for me."
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Well, good job "dweebs" and "n00bs".
There's an old saying in this world that goes, "someone accusing you is the best compliment ever." While you average joes and dweebs and MA n00bs may not have enuff l33T skillz to piss off them vets individually, as a group, them vets all pissed off and complaining about you means you're doing something right.
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Frankly, everytime a clandestine 'vet' comes here and complains how MA "dweebs" and "n00bs" have all ruined the "art of fighting" or whatever abstract bullshi* self-gratifying crap they spew, it can always be summarized in a few key points:
1. "You aren't letting me kill you and it's no fun for me"
2. "You should 'learn to fight' by becoming my cannon fodder"
4. "It's only a game. You trying to survive is lame. You should die on the spot when I attack"
5. "Unlike you, I survive purely with my ph34rD l33t skillz, so those things I say doesn't count for me."
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Well, good job "dweebs" and "n00bs".
There's an old saying in this world that goes, "someone accusing you is the best compliment ever." While you average joes and dweebs and MA n00bs may not have enuff l33T skillz to piss off them vets individually, as a group, them vets all pissed off and complaining about you means you're doing something right.
QFT
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If we are talking "real life" I can understand the above statement, but where's the fun in ALWAYS fighting with the advantage? This is a game after all, why run away to reset a fight you lost an advantage on....if you even had one to start with. Is it smart to dive in on 3 bad guys, no, but its a heck of a lot of fun to beat all three.
For some reason, you don't seem to apply the same logic when a fight happens between a lesser-skilled average joe vs. a l33T vet.
Here's the fact, Fugi - by definition a better-skilled player is inherently ALWAYS fighting with the advantage. I mean, these guys neutralize alt-advantages, can outmaneuver you even with a bigger, fatter plane, can hit you from d600+ when you can't hit the broadside of the barn from d200, pull all kinds of blind-lead shots, and sometimes even beat numbers odds.
It's like a cat complaining to the mice,
"...Hey, fighting these odds can sometimes be fun, so why avoid the danger and run from me? You filthy mice always gang up on me, and then run away when things go bad. Its bad form... "
Woo-hoo, from the mice's point of view, the cat being the cat is bad form from the start.
If you want to circle at 20k, and ONLY make a pass at a guy while he's busy, or your coming out of the sun, or your wingman has him roped, you are selling yourself short. The top "cartoon pilots" (not the bozo's at the top of the scoreboard) don't have any special codes, or planes. They have a ton of practice under their belts and know the very edge of the limits of not only their planes, but the ones they are fighting. There are guys flying this game that can run up 50 kill runs with-out a death and NEVER go over 10k ! By limiting yourself to 20K BnZ runs and disengaging everytime you "think" you have lost the advantage, then that is ALL you will ever be able to do.
So? Ever consider the fact that perhaps they don't need, or want, to do anything else?
The vets say they don't care about winning or losing, and all they want is a fun fight.
In that case, they are welcome to form a "squad of doom" or something, and always up from bases directly under attack from the enemy horde. I mean, upping from vulched bases, fighting against 5~10 to 1 odds, survivng the onslaught.. who cares if the K/D falls below 1.0 and you are shot down every 30 seconds? Would this not be the ultimate test of skill, wits, and luck? I mean it's got everything - evading enemy attack, neutralizing alt advantages, single-handedly killing multiple enemies, the vulchee breaking the vulch... wow! The ultimate adrenaline rush.. no boring alt grabbing, the fight begins the moment you spawn!
If they really like the "fun of combat", then they shouldn't have any problems enjoying a fight they are destined to lose, right?
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Well, for some reason the vets (especially the vets) don't ever seem to show their face in a fight like this.
In the end, this is a competitive game, and the purpose is to win.
It's only fun when you have a reasonable chance of winning, and the vets saying, "I enjoy the pure fun of combat" is basically bullshi*.
What they are really saying is, "I enjoy the pure fun of combat (even with a few handicaps... I still have a very good chance of winning since I'm l33T, and whatever 'advantages' those bone-headed n00bs secure can be easily nuked. Besides, I can humiliate their existence by beating them with those handicaps, as long as they stick around long enough for me to slap them silly... except these damn fools won't let me kill them.. grrrrr)"
If I run away from a fight I certainly DO NOT believe I won the fight, however if I make someone run away from me, I believe I have won the fight, they have forfeited the fight to me.
You don't win unless you shoot me down, and I don't lose until I'm shot down.
End of story.
(Besides, it's wierd ain't it? If you consider it a win when the enemy runs away, then what's the problem? You've won the fight! Yay! Why complain?)
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I have just one question and I'm being serious with no malice intended.
How do you get any better at dog fighting if you never commit to a fight?
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You get better at dogfighting by surviving the same way you get better at surviving by dogfighting. The skills transfer between all forms of fighting.
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You get better at dogfighting by surviving the same way you get better at surviving by dogfighting.
:huh
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The skills translate. The skills you need to survive are the same skills you need to dogfight/ furball well. E management, pushing your plane to the edge, judging angles and E. The scenarios you do them are different and translation can be difficult but the concepts are the same all around. Really the most difficult part is building up the discipline when going from furballing to trying to survive... IMO.
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IMO if you all you do is "one pass haul arse.". You learn nothing. No e management needed there, no acm, nothing.
Again you have to commit to a fight to learn any of what you stated. That's why I get a chuckle any time I read a spit whine thread. The majority of noob spit pilots will stay and fight.They have to it's a spit. While the majority of 51/dora/typhy ect ect ect will not.
EDIT: The committing to a fight is required to even train in the TA. If you do not engage, even the best trainer can not help you learn to fight better.
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IMO if you all you do is "one pass haul arse.". You learn nothing. No e management needed there, no acm, nothing.
Of course not, but the majority of people don't do that, and it is not at all what is being talked about in this thread.
Again you have to commit to a fight to learn any of what you stated.
No, you don't. That might be an easier way to learn quickly, but all the styles of fighting, whether you're turning and burning or booming and zooming, require the same set of skills to perform effectively.
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IMO if you all you do is "one pass haul arse.". You learn nothing. No e management needed there, no acm, nothing.
Again you have to commit to a fight to learn any of what you stated. That's why I get a chuckle any time I read a spit whine thread. The majority of noob spit pilots will stay and fight.They have to it's a spit. While the majority of 51/dora/typhy ect ect ect will not.
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There is no gun to my head either.... :D
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No, you don't.
LOL yes you do. :P ;)
See my edit. Why is it that they mock fight in RL? Is it so they can get better? Do they just practice one pass haul arse? Hmmm?
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If you find a cloud of red at 10k, whether you latch on to a single con, get tunnel vision and latch on to his six until you get picked, or you attempt to manipulate your energy and angles to stay out of reach of enemies while obtaining a firing solution, you're going to need to know how to judge E effectively, push your plane to it's limit, set up firing passes, be proficient in gunnery, manage SA, etc. etc. etc.
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If you find a cloud of red at 10k, whether you latch on to a single con, get tunnel vision and latch on to his six until you get picked, or you attempt to manipulate your energy and angles to stay out of reach of enemies while obtaining a firing solution, you're going to need to know how to judge E effectively, push your plane to it's limit, set up firing passes, be proficient in gunnery, manage SA, etc. etc. etc.
What you are describing is actually committing to a fight one way or another. Can't do that if you blow through the cloud and keep going now can you?
Train like you fight. Fight like you train.
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What you are describing is actually committing to a fight one way or another.
No it's not committing to a fight in any way shape or form. It's pure booming and zooming. The definition.
Again; to effectively boom and zoom you need the same skills as in any other style of fighting.
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This thread is lame
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No it's not committing to a fight in any way shape or form. It's pure booming and zooming. The definition.
Again; to effectively boom and zoom you need the same skills as in any other style of fighting.
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you attempt to manipulate your energy and angles to stay out of reach of enemies while obtaining a firing solution
You are most likely not going to get a solution if you don't commit. You may get lucky on an unwary target, that is all. To get a solution on a target who is watching you is going to take practice... lots of it. Again your not going to get practice if you don't make the attempt at more than one pass per target. You are not going to learn E management if you don't ever expend any.
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You are most likely not going to get a solution if you don't commit. You may get lucky on an unwary target, that is all. To get a solution on a target who is watching you is going to take practice... lots of it. Again your not going to get practice if you don't make the attempt at more than one pass per target. You are not going to learn E management if you don't ever expend any.
The only thing that you're proving with this post is that you have no experience/clue when it comes to boom and zooming. Which is perfectly fine if it's not your style of play but you shouldn't comment on it if you don't.
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The only thing that you're proving with this post is that you have no experience/clue when it comes to boom and zooming. Which is perfectly fine if it's not your style of play but you shouldn't comment on it if you don't.
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I think you are using the wrong terminology my young friend. What you have been describing is E fighting not BnZ.
Your condescending tone in this last post is not becoming.
Please don't make assumptions on something you have no idea about. I've been playing this type of game since 97 or so. While I'm not the best I've done all aspects of what this type of game entails.
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I didn't mean to be condescending but I couldn't think of any other way to say it.
BnZ is E fighting just like anything else at one point or another.
You don't have to commit to effectively BnZ which is why it's so effective to use in a 1 vs many situation.
I should say that what I mean applies to many people in this thread demonizing an opposing style of flying as just flying in a lufbery or just one-pass-and-haul-assing. I love TnB in 1v1 engagements and BnZ'ing against large groups of enemies with the intention of surviving equally so it 'jerks my chain' I guess you would say to see either of these flying styles characterized as either 'just flying in circles' or 'just making a high speed pass and running', either of these characterizations I've seen several times througout the thread.
The :salute was meant to take the edge off as I really did mean that with the most respect, but it obviously still looks pretty bad ;)
Reading the post again the language was a bit out of line & I'm definitely sorry for that.
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The vets say they don't care about winning or losing, and all they want is a fun fight.
In that case, they are welcome to form a "squad of doom" or something, and always up from bases directly under attack from the enemy horde. I mean, upping from vulched bases, fighting against 5~10 to 1 odds, survivng the onslaught.. who cares if the K/D falls below 1.0 and you are shot down every 30 seconds? Would this not be the ultimate test of skill, wits, and luck? I mean it's got everything - evading enemy attack, neutralizing alt advantages, single-handedly killing multiple enemies, the vulchee breaking the vulch... wow! The ultimate adrenaline rush.. no boring alt grabbing, the fight begins the moment you spawn!
If they really like the "fun of combat", then they shouldn't have any problems enjoying a fight they are destined to lose, right?
Thank you for posting this. I am utterly sick of the holier-than-thou types who complain about the way others choose to "fly". These so called leet pilots who "live for the fight" and somehow think their way is the superior way to fly or somehow requires more skill because they choose to fly in circles down low and get killed. I don't care how they fly, but that they somehow think their way requires more skill or that they are somehow more noble than some guy who chooses to hunt buffs or declines to get ganged.
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I didn't mean to be condescending but I couldn't think of any other way to say it.
BnZ is E fighting just like anything else at one point or another.
You don't have to commit to effectively BnZ which is why it's so effective to use in a 1 vs many situation.
I should say that what I mean applies to many people in this thread demonizing an opposing style of flying as just flying in a lufbery or just one-pass-and-haul-assing. I love TnB in 1v1 engagements and BnZ'ing against large groups of enemies with the intention of surviving equally so it 'jerks my chain' I guess you would say to see either of these flying styles characterized as either 'just flying in circles' or 'just making a high speed pass and running', either of these characterizations I've seen several times througout the thread.
The :salute was meant to take the edge off as I really did mean that with the most respect, but it obviously still looks pretty bad ;)
Not quite the same IMO.
BnZ is sitting on a perch, dropping down an going back up , more or less. With no regard to your opponents e state so long as you just maintain your E advantage. Very desirable in a multi target environment
E fighting is more elegant. You burn just enough of that E in order to get your target to burn his much quicker.
Just so you know, I don't think things are getting any worst. Always have had timid players and probably always will.
When you prefer to fly a slower ac like I do. Everything BnZs/runs. I think it's my job to entice/fool em into my fight. Not berate them into it on 200 or here. :neener:
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Not quite the same IMO.
BnZ is sitting on a perch, dropping down an going back up , more or less. With no regard to your opponents e state so long as you just maintain your E advantage.
The problem is--- that doesn't work. This is where the 'one pass haul bellybutton guy' comes from. The assumption that you only have to have to have E (more commonly thought among this crowd as just altitude) makes it very difficult to actually kill anything that's paying attention (i.e. do anything else other than pick).
To boom and zoom successfully you have to not only look for opportune targets and be able capitalize on them, but be able to coax / manipulate the enemy (s) into your envelope (ex the good old fashioned rope) without ever committing to them (catastrophic in a few vs many situation).
The art of BnZ is staying slow enough to do what needs to be done while staying fast enough so that you can remove yourself easily from the area/harms way when the time comes.
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i can sort of understand you relative neophytes to MMOLVWWIIAC not knowing who i am having never flown WB or MAC-AW ...
but professing to be serious about this genere and not knowing who crutch is pretty sad ...
pathetic actually ...
you guys really ought to ask around before you come off all hard and stuff, cuz yer not.
So there's a book that teaches you to run away? Seems like a lot of the guys here have already read it...
Don't know about a new low. It's the same as it's always been, some guys will never fight straight up if they can help it and they can find all kind of ways to justify that. Luckily there's enough good fights to make up for the griefing.
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The vets say they don't care about winning or losing, and all they want is a fun fight.
In that case, they are welcome to form a "squad of doom" or something, and always up from bases directly under attack from the enemy horde. I mean, upping from vulched bases, fighting against 5~10 to 1 odds, survivng the onslaught.. who cares if the K/D falls below 1.0 and you are shot down every 30 seconds? Would this not be the ultimate test of skill, wits, and luck? I mean it's got everything - evading enemy attack, neutralizing alt advantages, single-handedly killing multiple enemies, the vulchee breaking the vulch... wow! The ultimate adrenaline rush.. no boring alt grabbing, the fight begins the moment you spawn!
If they really like the "fun of combat", then they shouldn't have any problems enjoying a fight they are destined to lose, right?
LOL, well I can only speak for me, but that's generally how I do most of my dying. If I can get the wheels up at a base and the nose down just a little, I'll fight that fight and spread 38 parts everywhere!
I don't claim to be a great stick by any means, and landing at all is rare, but I think I'm a vet after all these years. Still working on killing multiple enemies before I die bit :)
Because egos are involved I don't think it will ever change. The danger in reading your own press clippings in a game like this is you start to believe it matters and want to keep it that way. Then there are those starting out who want to figure out how to get their own press clippings ie; attaboy messages etc.
In the end it still comes down to folks playing the game so the majority of players are having fun. And since no one really dies and planes are free, that shouldn't be too hard to do.
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i can sort of understand you relative neophytes to MMOLVWWIIAC not knowing who i am having never flown WB or MAC-AW ...
but professing to be serious about this genere and not knowing who crutch is pretty sad ...
pathetic actually ...
you guys really ought to ask around before you come off all hard and stuff, cuz yer not.
OK I give. Who is crutch. I've been playing AW then AH since 96. I don't feel pathetic :)
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he wrote the book, literally ...
"check six"
google is your friend ...
err books now ...
missing WB is probably what left you uninformed, that is where the serious stuff started.
OK I give. Who is crutch. I've been playing AW then AH since 96. I don't feel pathetic :)
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he wrote the book, literally ...
"check six"
google is your friend ...
err books now ...
missing WB is probably what left you uninformed, that is where the serious stuff started.
LOL ok so he wrote a couple books on F/A18 stuff. My interest has been WW2 aviation, and I really don't feel uninformed. Not much interest in jets beyond Sabres and Phantoms. I know a few guys who wrote books on their combat flying Spits with the RAF. Does that count? I spent time with an MTO P38, P39, P47 pilot, and he also flew Airwarrior. He had lots of thoughts on cartoon flight sims too. Maybe I'm more informed then you think I am? Wanna see my home library? :)
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OMFG !!! are you daring to talk about the real world in toontown ? ? ?
bringing up real pilots with real combat experience here, and books no less ? ? ?
why on earth would you do that ? ? ?
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hehe no seriously, you asked who he was so i told you, crutch is, well i doubt you will find a more respected and well liked member of this genre's community than crutch.
LOL ok so he wrote a couple books on F/A18 stuff. My interest has been WW2 aviation, and I really don't feel uninformed. Not much interest in jets beyond Sabres and Phantoms. I know a few guys who wrote books on their combat flying Spits with the RAF. Does that count? I spent time with an MTO P38, P39, P47 pilot, and he also flew Airwarrior. He had lots of thoughts on cartoon flight sims too. Maybe I'm more informed then you think I am? Wanna see my home library? :)
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OMFG !!! are you daring to talk about the real world in toontown ? ? ?
bringing up real pilots with real combat experience here, and books no less ? ? ?
why on earth would you do that ? ? ?
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hehe no seriously, you asked who he was so i told you, crutch is, well i doubt you will find a more respected and well liked member of this genre's community than crutch.
Wanna bet? :)
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/Earl51D2.jpg)
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Not quite the same IMO.
BnZ is sitting on a perch, dropping down an going back up , more or less. With no regard to your opponents e state so long as you just maintain your E advantage. Very desirable in a multi target environment
No, BnZ is not just sitting on a perch, dropping down and then going back up. The form of BnZ we see most often in the MA is not correct, BnZ by its very nature is an aggressive maneuver designed to force your opponent to bleed his energy state so you can get an angle for a shot. Most often we see players after their pass extend beyond 3000yards and keep going. That's not how it's done. In a true BnZ pass, you don't want to extend beyond 1,500yards after your pass, just far enough that you're safely out of guns range and can't pull enough nose up to get a shot as you reverse your zoom to make another attack. This keeps the enemy from being able to regain any energy or some of the altitude lost in the break turn.
When someone that actually knows what they're doing with BnZ attacks, it's a nice thing to see them in action alone against multiple targets.
E fighting is more elegant. You burn just enough of that E in order to get your target to burn his much quicker.
Just so you know, I don't think things are getting any worst. Always have had timid players and probably always will.
Just because someone uses Energy tactics like BnZ doesn't always mean the player is timid. You can tell which ones are timid or not by how aggressive they prosecute their BnZ attacks.
When you prefer to fly a slower ac like I do. Everything BnZs/runs. I think it's my job to entice/fool em into my fight. Not berate them into it on 200 or here. :neener:
Flying a lumbering twin engine bomber, there really isn't much I can out run so I've gotten some practice enticing Energy fighters into blowing their energy and equalizing the fight but I've also got a lot of practice using BnZ tactics alone against multiple targets and believe me, I'd rather be one making the attacks on 4 guys rather than the one dodging them.
ack-ack
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i can sort of understand you relative neophytes to MMOLVWWIIAC not knowing who i am having never flown WB or MAC-AW ...
but professing to be serious about this genere and not knowing who crutch is pretty sad ...
pathetic actually ...
you guys really ought to ask around before you come off all hard and stuff, cuz yer not.
I remember him as a trainer in WB, have his book but never really glanced at it too much honestly, Check Six, in my opinion, was more geared to new players or inexperienced players. I highly recommend it to those that are just learning how to play and those looking to start learning ACM to they can move on to more advanced ACM books like Shaw's book.
Knowing him still doesn't mean you have a grasp of ACM or can fight your way out of a wet paper bag with a big hole in it.
Some of us have also been around just as long, if not longer than you have. Heck, some here are going on 17 years playing games like AW, WB, AH, and some others inbetween. There are a few here that have been longer than that, so trying to use 'I've been playing this long....' doesn't really hold that much weight.
ack-ack
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Wanna bet? :)
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/Earl51D2.jpg)
Should have included a screenshot of his P-47 that we have in game.
ack-ack
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The only "lows" I've run into lately are the supposedly "superior" name pile-its waffling about in 262s cherry picking.
Had 3 months off. Had some brilliant fights in the last couple of days and some awesome furballs.
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So? Ever consider the fact that perhaps they don't need, or want, to do anything else?
The vets say they don't care about winning or losing, and all they want is a fun fight.
In that case, they are welcome to form a "squad of doom" or something, and always up from bases directly under attack from the enemy horde. I mean, upping from vulched bases, fighting against 5~10 to 1 odds, survivng the onslaught.. who cares if the K/D falls below 1.0 and you are shot down every 30 seconds? Would this not be the ultimate test of skill, wits, and luck? I mean it's got everything - evading enemy attack, neutralizing alt advantages, single-handedly killing multiple enemies, the vulchee breaking the vulch... wow! The ultimate adrenaline rush.. no boring alt grabbing, the fight begins the moment you spawn!
If they really like the "fun of combat", then they shouldn't have any problems enjoying a fight they are destined to lose, right?
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Well, for some reason the vets (especially the vets) don't ever seem to show their face in a fight like this.
In the end, this is a competitive game, and the purpose is to win.
It's only fun when you have a reasonable chance of winning, and the vets saying, "I enjoy the pure fun of combat" is basically bullshi*.
What they are really saying is, "I enjoy the pure fun of combat (even with a few handicaps... I still have a very good chance of winning since I'm l33T, and whatever 'advantages' those bone-headed n00bs secure can be easily nuked. Besides, I can humiliate their existence by beating them with those handicaps, as long as they stick around long enough for me to slap them silly... except these damn fools won't let me kill them.. grrrrr)"
You don't win unless you shoot me down, and I don't lose until I'm shot down.
End of story.
(Besides, it's wierd ain't it? If you consider it a win when the enemy runs away, then what's the problem? You've won the fight! Yay! Why complain?)
Loose Deuce use a different approach against the attacking force - we take off from a field - close to our vulched field - We head to the field where the enemy are coming from, and vulch THEM going out, heavy and hanging in their props - The enemies always appreciate that :furious
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The only "lows" I've run into lately are the supposedly "superior" name pile-its waffling about in 262s cherry picking.
Had 3 months off. Had some brilliant fights in the last couple of days and some awesome furballs.
How do you think jets should be used, TnBing on the deck by newbs?
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How do you think jets should be used, TnBing on the deck by newbs?
your a newb im a n00b and ummm 262s noobs are kewl
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How do you think jets should be used, TnBing on the deck by newbs?
Absolutely. :aok
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Absolutely. :aok
look forward to seeing ya do this :aok
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:aok sounds fun
how do I start the engine
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^^First you have to light a match inside the fuel tank to see that you have enough fuel for a turn and burn session...
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Here is what is really funny.
If you say good fight to someone you may get no response, a thank you, or a <S>
If you say nice shot to someone you may get no response, a thank you, or a <S>
If you say nice running to someone that just run for 3 sectors, you WILL get a screen full on 200, few BBS posts, comments about your mother, etc
if you say nice HO to someone, (look above)
if you say nice pick, gang, etc etc, (look above)
So, if running, HOing, picking, flying at 40K etc are skills, smart flying, realistic, playing to survive, and what ever else you guys claim them to be, why do you get all worked up about it? Why don't you see it as a compliment? I think we all know why ;)
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It's only fun when you have a reasonable chance of winning, and the vets saying, "I enjoy the pure fun of combat" is basically bullshi*.
I contest this.
People talking about this subject break down into two groups. The sim people want to duplicate real life combat as much as possible. Let's put them aside, because within their logic they're absolutely right: there's no reason to fight a fair fight.
The other group perceives AH2 to be either a sport or a game, pretty similar concepts. I sense that you, and most of the posters in this thread, are in this group. Some in the group fit your description; they would be happy if they were the Dallas Cowboys playing against the local high school team. But not nearly all of them are like that. I am fortunate to fly regularly against very competent people. Take Dedalos as an example. I'm not sure that I've ever shot him down (perhaps once, when he was hobbled by an A8). I can be almost certain that I will lose every time I fly against him. Yet those are the fights that I consider most fun, because each one is a challenge, each one lasts a little bit longer than the previous one, and each one makes me better electronic pilot. I think there are quite a few people like me who enjoy the process, quite apart from the result.
So: I enjoy the pure fun of combat, and that's no bull.
- oldman
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So, if running, HOing, picking, flying at 40K etc are skills, smart flying, realistic, playing to survive, and what ever else you guys claim them to be, why do you get all worked up about it? Why don't you see it as a compliment?
Because quite often it's just nonsense. Pure EGO stuff. People call out weak HO's when there was none at all. People type "nice pick" when them and their enemy where the only cons around, and they just failed to evade his attack.
Fly home because your out of ammo or low on fuel, and you will be called a "runner". Try to land at your own airfield and you will be called a lame ack hugger. Same when taking off, but being unable to leave field ack because of that 3-4 P-47's hovering above field only waiting to swoop down on you. At 15k you will be called an alt-monkey by someone at 14k.
Two days ago a Yak-T tried to bounce my Tempest short after takeoff. I was hanging there like a pregnant hippo for a moment, dropped my DT's evaded his initial attack, then put my nose down to get up to speed and get some seperation. I was just going from D600 to D800 (!) when I was called a runner... At first I thought he was joking and trying to tricking me into a bad move... but he was serious. At D1000 I pulled up and tried to take it into the vertical and rope him. I wasn't flying very good that day, so it took me 2 attempts I think. He couldn't follow me,I went over the top, he got killed - and of course he accused me of trying to HO him.
I don't know why... but the only real "lows" I see in player behaviour lately. Cheat accusations, PM vox insults, mass .reports without reason, testosterone loaded "I pwn you" stuff on 200, whiney excuses when someone was shot down...
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I don't know why... but the only real "lows" I see in player behaviour lately. Cheat accusations, PM vox insults, mass .reports without reason, testosterone loaded "I pwn you" stuff on 200, whiney excuses when someone was shot down...
It's an "anonymous tough guy" thing. :rolleyes:
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Because quite often it's just nonsense. Pure EGO stuff. People call out weak HO's when there was none at all. People type "nice pick" when them and their enemy where the only cons around, and they just failed to evade his attack.
Fly home because your out of ammo or low on fuel, and you will be called a "runner". Try to land at your own airfield and you will be called a lame ack hugger. Same when taking off, but being unable to leave field ack because of that 3-4 P-47's hovering above field only waiting to swoop down on you. At 15k you will be called an alt-monkey by someone at 14k.
Two days ago a Yak-T tried to bounce my Tempest short after takeoff. I was hanging there like a pregnant hippo for a moment, dropped my DT's evaded his initial attack, then put my nose down to get up to speed and get some seperation. I was just going from D600 to D800 (!) when I was called a runner... At first I thought he was joking and trying to tricking me into a bad move... but he was serious. At D1000 I pulled up and tried to take it into the vertical and rope him. I wasn't flying very good that day, so it took me 2 attempts I think. He couldn't follow me,I went over the top, he got killed - and of course he accused me of trying to HO him.
I don't know why... but the only real "lows" I see in player behaviour lately. Cheat accusations, PM vox insults, mass .reports without reason, testosterone loaded "I pwn you" stuff on 200, whiney excuses when someone was shot down...
well, lusche,
just don't care about the whiners. i was lot of times called a picker, alt monkey, a runner, and much more crap. I simply didnt answerd anymore, but i took some time to analyse the whiners score!
What do you expect? those loudest whiners got the worst scores. They need every whine to stay in the game, its not their fault, its allways all others......they need to cry for their own ego. instead of trying to learn, doing some training, the cry and cry. i simply dont get behind it. how do they act in real life when something fails? when a project runs out of time? ok, i know, not their own faults, just bad education by their parents......
You never see those whiners inside the first places of an scenario! That says it all. Because they simply can't fly, they havent the patiance to wait for the perfect situation to attack.
Those whiners are funny sometimes... but not all the time :rolleyes:
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^^First you have to light a match inside the fuel tank to see that you have enough fuel for a turn and burn session...
did you know gasoline is a non-flammable liquid?
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I don't know why... but the only real "lows" I see in player behaviour lately. Cheat accusations, PM vox insults, mass .reports without reason, testosterone loaded "I pwn you" stuff on 200, whiney excuses when someone was shot down...
Yep! :aok
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Because quite often it's just nonsense. Pure EGO stuff. People call out weak HO's when there was none at all. People type "nice pick" when them and their enemy where the only cons around, and they just failed to evade his attack.
Fly home because your out of ammo or low on fuel, and you will be called a "runner". Try to land at your own airfield and you will be called a lame ack hugger. Same when taking off, but being unable to leave field ack because of that 3-4 P-47's hovering above field only waiting to swoop down on you. At 15k you will be called an alt-monkey by someone at 14k.
Two days ago a Yak-T tried to bounce my Tempest short after takeoff. I was hanging there like a pregnant hippo for a moment, dropped my DT's evaded his initial attack, then put my nose down to get up to speed and get some seperation. I was just going from D600 to D800 (!) when I was called a runner... At first I thought he was joking and trying to tricking me into a bad move... but he was serious. At D1000 I pulled up and tried to take it into the vertical and rope him. I wasn't flying very good that day, so it took me 2 attempts I think. He couldn't follow me,I went over the top, he got killed - and of course he accused me of trying to HO him.
I don't know why... but the only real "lows" I see in player behaviour lately. Cheat accusations, PM vox insults, mass .reports without reason, testosterone loaded "I pwn you" stuff on 200, whiney excuses when someone was shot down...
Haha, you cant run for 3 sectors if you are out of fuel. I agree with what you wrote, however, I obviously was not talking about those situations.
Actually, last night I had to make a run for it when I ran out of ammo and fuel. I stayed with the fight until both were gone. When ammo was out, I told them I was heading back. PotsNpans had the means to get me at that point but he decided to find a real fight since a 109 with 2 minutes of fuel and 0 rounds was going to be a kill, but not fun. The F4U however (that had been trying to get a pick in for the past 15 minutes) saw his chance for finally getting a kill and gave chase. At d800 I turned around and after half a turn I pulled the trigger. Oups, no ammo I forgot lol. looped over and could not find him anywhere. When I found him he was 3K away. The point is, we both "ran" at the end, but I had a blast fighting Pots in his 205. I can only imagine the F4Us frustration of having to run from a plane he was chasing lol . So, there is running and there is "running". Its when they are "running" that the coments about someones mother start.
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Just an idea....
But why not de-tune 200? Why not just ignore PM's?
You just might have a more fun game experience.
ROX
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For some reason, you don't seem to apply the same logic when a fight happens between a lesser-skilled average joe vs. a l33T vet.
Here's the fact, Fugi - by definition a better-skilled player is inherently ALWAYS fighting with the advantage. I mean, these guys neutralize alt-advantages, can outmaneuver you even with a bigger, fatter plane, can hit you from d600+ when you can't hit the broadside of the barn from d200, pull all kinds of blind-lead shots, and sometimes even beat numbers odds.
Here's a fact your missing.... Fugi didn't get better by running. He is only saying why run in a game of combat. You can only improve if you try. If you don't at least try you may as well be playing airport in MSFS.
Going up against folks that are better than you can only help you improve. No matter how good you are in this game there is always someone better.
Run to learn how to Race, Fight to learn how to Fight.
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Having been here since the open Beta (9/99) and active in AW before it hit AOL thru till leaving for AH (lets say 1993 onward) I'd say that that a few things stand out. The Game (and game play) have evolved or devolved based on your perspective. To me the single biggest change was the flight model change in version 1.4 (going from memory) which fundamentally "dumbed down" the need for E management significantly (IMO). I think this was a response to the large influx of AW "RR" pilots. The original FM was a significant step up in difficulty (again my opinion) from AW "FR" with regard to E bleed and the players transitioning from AW RR had very tough sledding.
The reality is that the nature of the game has changed both do to numbers and various changes in the game. When most fights were either one one one or small "furball" affairs then getting a "good score" required a lot of ACM skill, especially with the high rate of "E bleed". As numbers went up and more and more late war planes were modeled that changed. So the parameters for score changed and the expanded nature of the community changed. In addition the changing environment crept ever closer to "real world" in the sense of player density and combat environment. So "real" WW2 tactics have a more beneficial effect and the old WW1 style "lone wolf" type of flying yields lower tangible results during "prime time". As a result a player who has come into the game in the last 2-3 years can develop a combination of gunnery and SA skills with relatively minimal ACM and do very nicely. I rarely fly that style but on those occasions I do (almost always when giving someone an "MA" orientation flight) its relatively simple to wrack up a few kills (3-5) per sortie even with my poor gunnery.
So what has changed is the skill set required to succeed, and the player base has adapted accordingly. However there are and will always be those that still look to learn and absorb quality ACM skills. The truth is that that type of flying is just more fun once you get beyond the win or lose aspect of the game.
Where the two sides meet is the conflict. Last weekend I ended up flying the "2nd LWA" since the numbers didnt allow me to log into the top one where my squad was flying. By circumstance I ended up in an interesting little 1 on 2. I was in a ki-84 and was nursing a small E/alt advantage vs a spit XVI that had just upped (I had dragged over the field at 4k or so and he climbed up following) so we were a bit away from the flow of action. An la-7 followed him out and we had a fun little fight with the spit flying a vertical fight eating into my margins and the La a looser E fight trying to time my verticals. This left me evading the LA just about every time the spit was vulnerable. The spitty got up to almost co alt/E and I had to convert to a climbing scissors fight to force the la out of sync and overshoot. I got a snap shot on the la and forced him to dive out and reversed back into the spitty which now had some position. Had a great 90 sec or so of action with the spitty and had fought back to just about even when the la swooped in again. I avoided him but in so doing totally gave up my parity with the spitty. The la-7 went vertical and chopped (or so it looked) to dive back on down...and got victimized by a fly by...leaving me alone with the spitty. I had to dive out and then chop into a desending violent type scissor to force the spitty to overspeed and break...leaving me with a neg E merge at an alt disadvantage. The spitty driver could fly and worked some nice hi yoyo style reverses with me reversing back up into his yoyo;s trying to keep inside low position and give the threat of being able to hang the prop on him if he tried to convert to a climbing spiral. So we worked this cat and mouse for a good 3 min or so and had just reached that point where either he'd convert the vertical or i'd get us slow enough to get my flaps out and claw around on him...so there we sit with me nose up desperately trying to pull a wide enough amplitude to get under 165 and he nose down looking to eek enough speed out of that nose down to claw up over top and finally seize the perch on me. My last view of the spit was in symmetry to me at about 30 degree nose down and in my front up/quarter as I was 45 degree inverted looking to pull down...knowing he had the E to pop up and I was trying to gauge where his "donut hole" would be looking to float up under his reverse at the top into that small area where he couldnt get guns to bear and would need to either try a double E/spiral climb or hopefully dive out and in effect reset the fight....when the La-7 screamed back in and cleared his 12 and the saluted me :furious :furious :furious :mad:
And then was upset when I vented my spleen on him....He didn't even begin to understand that I wasn't "mad" about dying...I just wanted to see how the stinkin fight would end. It's like reading 375 pages of a 400 page book and finding out someone ripped out the last 25 pages. To a old school "1 on 1" guy like me every fight like that is personal and enjoyable win or lose. To a new school "drive by" shooter nothing is up close and personal.
So to me at least this game has become more about who I fly with then the game itself. While I still have a lot of fun and many good fights the above is more and more the rule then the exception these days....
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Some interesting observations in there Snap, I hadn't really given population density over the span of several years much thought before, how the size of a furball or how the number of planes in a given space affect the flow of cartoon battle. Reminds me of my time back in the old Combat Theater when we used to run Guadalcanal setups. The primary fight was between the A6M2 and the F4F-4. In off peak hours when the numbers were low and thus most fights involved very few people ACM, and the A6M ruled the roost. There was simply very little most players could do to the Zeke in a 1v1, but as the numbers increased and pilots SA became overloaded it wasn't uncommon for the allied players to wipe the skies of all opposition, ACM counted for less because the pilots just couldn't sort through all the information. The environment negated the maneuverability of the Zero, deck speed, armor, firepower counted more, things that favored the F4F.
I recall the FM change back in AH1, and I think it was a significant change to how the planes behaved, and how people flew I don't think it really adversely effected game-play. The FM was a level change across the board if I remember right. E retention I believe was boosted compared to the original FM, but it was boosted for all planes the same relationship between aircraft remained intact, I don't think it favored one type over another.
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I feel like I owe the AH community an apology - I'm afraid that I was the cause of BnZ's original rant about the game reaching new lows. A couple of days ago I went to the aid of a fellow Rook pilot who was being attacked by BnZs. After a few turns he got behind me. Being over my base, I dove down into the ack. Being the experienced pilot he is, he of course followed me down into the ack not only once, but then again. When the ack killed him on the second time thru, he pm'ed me and told me how pathetic I was, and that i was an embarrasment to AH, and a eunuch. :confused:
At first I ignored him, but then I guess he took the time to look up my stats, then returned to the PM's to make fun of my K/D percentage, and to ask if I realized how bad of a pilot I had to be to lose (he died, right?) a 109 vs P38 fight. At this point I pm'ed him back and asked him how good you have to be to get killed by ack. Apparently this was a mistake as he then came onto my vox channel and proceeded to call me a fornicating piece of fecal matter . . . then went on 200 and started complaining about the game going downhill.
As others have pointed out, I guess if you don't fight the kind of fight the other guy wants you to (read: get killed by him), then you can expect to be both verbally and textually assaulted. I mean, what the heck, I didn't make him chase me thru the ack either time, and he died, right? Wouldn't a "good" pilot know better than to chase somebody thru the field ack? And especially not the second time?
As I said, I'm sorry that this turned into a 12+ page discussion. This whole thread cold have been prevented if I had just let him kill me at the beginning.
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I feel like I owe the AH community an apology - I'm afraid that I was the cause of BnZ's original rant about the game reaching new lows. A couple of days ago I went to the aid of a fellow Rook pilot who was being attacked by BnZs. After a few turns he got behind me. Being over my base, I dove down into the ack. Being the experienced pilot he is, he of course followed me down into the ack not only once, but then again. When the ack killed him on the second time thru, he pm'ed me and told me how pathetic I was, and that i was an embarrasment to AH, and a eunuch. :confused:
At first I ignored him, but then I guess he took the time to look up my stats, then returned to the PM's to make fun of my K/D percentage, and to ask if I realized how bad of a pilot I had to be to lose (he died, right?) a 109 vs P38 fight. At this point I pm'ed him back and asked him how good you have to be to get killed by ack. Apparently this was a mistake as he then came onto my vox channel and proceeded to call me a fornicating piece of fecal matter . . . then went on 200 and started complaining about the game going downhill.
As others have pointed out, I guess if you don't fight the kind of fight the other guy wants you to (read: get killed by him), then you can expect to be both verbally and textually assaulted. I mean, what the heck, I didn't make him chase me thru the ack either time, and he died, right? Wouldn't a "good" pilot know better than to chase somebody thru the field ack? And especially not the second time?
As I said, I'm sorry that this turned into a 12+ page discussion. This whole thread cold have been prevented if I had just let him kill me at the beginning.
WOW ! He takes the time to look up YOUR stats, then makes fun of you. Hmmmmm, maybe your not the one with the issue. You at the time had made a decision you wanted to live and used your resources to do so, he got popped by ack and did not like your style. I'm just not seeing the new low some speak of. Yes there are those who run, HO, stay high, or hug ack. Whatever the reasons, it is what they do, I just deal with it. Sometimes it costs me, sometimes it does not, no big deal really.
I have read most of the thread and while I agree with some, like any normal, rational individual, there are things I disagree with too. Seems to be quite a bit of talk about how, and what the "vets" are doing in game and the examples they may or may not be setting. I fly against and with a vet or 2 on ocassion, some are "adult" about it, some not, seems they want riduicule (sp?) your flying, I think they are just looking for a quicker kill so as to pad their score.
On the other hand, the majority IMO, no matter how easy a kill you are now, like to see you come back, I think the belief is practice makes perfect, for both parties, some go so far as to tell you, where or how you went wrong. Thats my take anyways, yea there are lows in the game, question is what are YOU!!! doing to correct it? In the arena I play in, I'm sure there some who don't care for what, or how I do things. Thats cool, if they have a suggestion or opinion, I'll listen and go forward from there. In the end I try to be respectable to all, put up a good and fair fight, not give 2 craps about score, and have some fun! After all its my free time, I want to have some enjoyment and fun.
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As I said, I'm sorry that this turned into a 12+ page discussion. This whole thread cold have been prevented if I had just let him kill me at the beginning.
yea we knew it was something like that ...
BnZ <<< :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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At first I ignored him, but then I guess he took the time to look up my stats, then returned to the PM's to make fun of my K/D percentage, and to ask if I realized how bad of a pilot I had to be to lose (he died, right?) a 109 vs P38 fight. At this point I pm'ed him back and asked him how good you have to be to get killed by ack. Apparently this was a mistake as he then came onto my vox channel and proceeded to call me a fornicating piece of fecal matter . . . then went on 200 and started complaining about the game going downhill.
Class act this one is. :rolleyes:
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yea we knew it was something like that ...
BnZ <<< :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
i don't think you've got room to be laughing at bnz dude........
or anyone for that matter.........just sayin..........
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i don't think you've got room to be laughing at bnz dude........
or anyone for that matter.........just sayin..........
no, anyone lame enough to do what SKJohn described is a loser and deserves to be laughed at by others.
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As others have pointed out, I guess if you don't fight the kind of fight the other guy wants you to (read: get killed by him), then you can expect to be both verbally and textually assaulted.
1) PMing anyone to rant is just ignorant. PMing to asks questions about the fight is ok.
2) How do you know you'd be killed by him. You didn't even try so who knows. All we do know is that you dove to ack and he died in the ack chasing you.
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1) PMing anyone to rant is just ignorant. PMing to asks questions about the fight is ok.
2) How do you know you'd be killed by him. You didn't even try so who knows. All we do know is that you dove to ack and he died in the ack chasing you.
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Like I said, I did go a few turns with him, so yes, I did try. After awhile, he got behind me and that's when I dove down into the ack. We were right over my field, so why not use the resources available to survive?
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Ahh. I knew there was more to this story then was posted by the OP.
And yes, I can and will laugh at him!
Sometimes I too get frustrated by someone running away from me, and have sent off one or two PMs ;) But unloading on someone with vox is where you cross the line.
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this game rocks plain and simple, its the "players" that are at a new "low" not the game.
every day I fly I see the "dweebyness" of most players, and sad to say its not just "noobs", but screw it I still have a blast, and could give two craps about how someone else flies or what they fly :rolleyes:
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no, anyone lame enough to do what SKJohn described is a loser and deserves to be laughed at by others.
why?
virtually EVERYONE has run to ack at one time or another. if they tell you otherwise, they're lying.
now, that said, when i've done it, i still die a flaming cartoon death. it seems the ack doesn't like to protect me. :rofl :noid
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Like I said, I did go a few turns with him, so yes, I did try. After awhile, he got behind me and that's when I dove down into the ack. We were right over my field, so why not use the resources available to survive?
Two turns...... hardly trying. Guy getting on your six does not mean you lost till you gave up. I suggest staying close to your fields if your worried about getting shot down. You have to do more than a couple of turns to begin improving.
Not saying anything is wrong with running to ack. Just saying that if your only method of surviving is going to ack.... don't travel far.
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this game rocks plain and simple, its the "players" that are at a new "low" not the game.
every day I fly I see the "dweebyness" of most players, and sad to say its not just "noobs", but screw it I still have a blast, and could give two craps about how someone else flies or what they fly :rolleyes:
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this game is really the absolute best entertainment one can get for 50 cents a day. :aok
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Like I said, I did go a few turns with him, so yes, I did try. After awhile, he got behind me and that's when I dove down into the ack. We were right over my field, so why not use the resources available to survive?
Because when you're fighting another guy near his field you'd prefer him not to run and hide in his ack. Because you might win anyway. Because if you lose at least you'll learn what didn't work.
I'll run to ack if more than one guy is trying to kill me but ackrunning from a single con is just rude.
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this game is really the absolute best entertainment one can get for 50 cents a day. :aok
+ 1 :banana::aok
Mutley
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There has always been lame behavior in the MA, but it was formerly mostly the province of the noobish, the desperate, etc. It is my observation that it is now being applied in a refined (I will not use the word "skilled") and systematic manner. Honkin' on the stick and HOing is a primary guns defense for the planes which have the turn rate and firepower. "Runners" aren't just some poor guy in a P-51 diving away from 3 Spits anymore...it is any and every plane heading for ack and friends at the first hint of trouble, really no matter the matchup. I mean, there seem to be great numbers of players whose whole purpose is not to engage the enemy themselves and get valid kills at all, but simply to drag individuals to gang bangs or ack-ack guns. Most planes now seem unwilling to leave their horde for a 1v1 against a singleton, if they do follow you far enough, they often try to run at the first sign you will put up a decent fight, no matter the maneuverability situation. (I have seen an La7 run from an FW-190. I kid you not.) These things have gone from being exceptions to the rule, IMO. I have lost respect for perhaps the majority of pilots playing. I'm beginning to suspect the MA culture not only isn't a majority of the old guard ACM types, it doesn't even respect those values. The monkeys have taken over the temple.
I will actually fight it out from a neutral situation, confident of the win until proven wrong. I used to think that was the bare-minimum, bottom rung standard. But apparently that standard actually puts you head and shoulders above the "pack" these days.
Another crying baby post. Your ability to find it entertaining reached a new low , the game is the same. If you can't still laugh after getting shot down,Hoed,Picked,vulched better buy a pack of beer, rent a movie for 15$ and stop teaching others how to play.
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This whole thread cold have been prevented if I had just let him kill me at the beginning.
Or if you turned around and killed him, but that is never an option is it? For someone new it is fine (i have no clue if you are new or not) but for someone that has been in this game for a couple of years it is sad that they just give up
And I am not saying that he was justified in PMing you or anything like that.
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this game rocks plain and simple, its the "players" that are at a new "low" not the game.
every day I fly I see the "dweebyness" of most players, and sad to say its not just "noobs",
Finally someone has the sack to tell it as it is! I found when I was playing the game, "vet" pilots were the biggest instigators of "poor game play" They and only they have the consistent skill to benefit from lame play! New guys are expected to HO, RUN, GAYNG etc. etc. But new guys will always come up short against experienced gamers!! When you are new you don't consider these things dweebish! You are just tryin to have a little fun. For a newb to continue turning and holding the tigers tail without sufficient experience is totally useless. The newb who does this will never learn anything and be frustrated and just quit! The vet pilots should scroll back to there beginning and please take a REALISTIC assesment of what it was REALLY like!! Stop judging others thru 6, 8 10 years of experience!! :aok
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Finally someone has the sack to tell it as it is! I found when I was playing the game, "vet" pilots were the biggest instigators of "poor game play" They and only they have the consistent skill to benefit from lame play! New guys are expected to HO, RUN, GAYNG etc. etc. But new guys will always come up short against experienced gamers!! When you are new you don't consider these things dweebish! You are just tryin to have a little fun. For a newb to continue turning and holding the tigers tail without sufficient experience is totally useless. The newb who does this will never learn anything and be frustrated and just quit! The vet pilots should scroll back to there beginning and please take a REALISTIC assesment of what it was REALLY like!! Stop judging others thru 6, 8 10 years of experience!! :aok
So your saying the secret to improving is not to practice?
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So your saying the secret to improving is not to practice?
I think he is saying when a "vet" see's this type of play he should not get worked up over it, or get pissed cuz some noob is being just that, but when a "vet" does those same tactics, that is when there is an issue and sadly LOTS of "vets" do this type of "flying".
at least that's what I got out of his reply, I could be wrong and should not assume...
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So your saying the secret to improving is not to practice?
pink is the new black. :noid
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why?
virtually EVERYONE has run to ack at one time or another. if they tell you otherwise, they're lying.
now, that said, when i've done it, i still die a flaming cartoon death. it seems the ack doesn't like to protect me. :rofl :noid
not sure what I said came across as I meant, I should have made it clear i was talking about the OP as described by John. I have, well had no problem people running to ack, if i didn't care that day I'd chase them through it knowing at best I'll be ditching. I'd fly through it also if someone is dumb enough to chase, seeing the whine on was 200 well worth any names called.
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Quite possible Ive been using the wrong terminology.
I just know the difference in quality of a pilot after the merge. If I have time to regain my E after the first pass I will get them to a co E state and shoot em down. Well, most of the time.I label these guys BnZers
If however they give me little to no time I usually am on the other end of the stick. These I label E fighters.
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After flying here for 3 weeks, my opinion will probably have little value to those who seem to think they "own" this game. There is really alot to learn here. It's also that thing where the more ya learn the more you learn how little you know. It is obvious that the dogfight is the hardest thing to learn in here. I don't think that's where I should be starting. How about I learn to fly a little, learn to control the aircraft, learn to find an enemy, learn how to get in and out of a fight, learn to use the map and I am willing to bet while I take this cautious, patient approach I will end up in plenty of dogfights that I may win or lose and learn from them too. I get a couple kills here and there, I spend alot of time flying, thats fun for me too, the flying part. I do not understand what some of you fine pilots are in such a hurry about, no really. I may have angered some of you dropping into your fights. I didnt understand that many of you would rather die with someone on your 6 than be saved to fly away. Even as a n00b I know enough to watch around me when I am in a fight. I feel stupid when I am surprised and wish to avoid that. With that said, with me, never wait for an invitation to save my butt. You see a guy on me jump right in. If you see me coming to help you and you do not want help, then you better tell me, I got no idea who anyone is and how they prefer to fight.
One thing that I am completely at a loss to understand is the namecalling that goes on here. It is embarrassing. I tell friends about this and invite them to try it but seriously wonder if my invitation shall cast aspersions on my character when they see how the honarable men who fly this sim treat each other. It is more than ever the "vets" here. I'm sorry, the fact that you were here first gives you no priveledges other than a skill set that will surely beat mine. As you ridicule, harass, and demean the n00bs like me, you drive them away. Have a little patience and if you cannot be civil, then just be quiet. These n00bs probaly came from a different online game, most likely driven away by the same type of activity that will take them away from here, along with their resources.
I shall learn alot here, I am sure but it will be at my own pace, making choices that appeal to me. Any attmpt to force me to fly the way you would like just so you can rack up another kill will most likely leave you frustrated.
I have really only one simple rule, "Give more to the game than you take away".
Thank you Sirs <S>
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After flying here for 3 weeks, my opinion will probably have little value to those who seem to think they "own" this game. There is really alot to learn here. It's also that thing where the more ya learn the more you learn how little you know. It is obvious that the dogfight is the hardest thing to learn in here. I don't think that's where I should be starting. How about I learn to fly a little, learn to control the aircraft, learn to find an enemy, learn how to get in and out of a fight, learn to use the map and I am willing to bet while I take this cautious, patient approach I will end up in plenty of dogfights that I may win or lose and learn from them too. I get a couple kills here and there, I spend alot of time flying, thats fun for me too, the flying part. I do not understand what some of you fine pilots are in such a hurry about, no really. I may have angered some of you dropping into your fights. I didnt understand that many of you would rather die with someone on your 6 than be saved to fly away. Even as a n00b I know enough to watch around me when I am in a fight. I feel stupid when I am surprised and wish to avoid that. With that said, with me, never wait for an invitation to save my butt. You see a guy on me jump right in. If you see me coming to help you and you do not want help, then you better tell me, I got no idea who anyone is and how they prefer to fight.
One thing that I am completely at a loss to understand is the namecalling that goes on here. It is embarrassing. I tell friends about this and invite them to try it but seriously wonder if my invitation shall cast aspersions on my character when they see how the honarable men who fly this sim treat each other. It is more than ever the "vets" here. I'm sorry, the fact that you were here first gives you no priveledges other than a skill set that will surely beat mine. As you ridicule, harass, and demean the n00bs like me, you drive them away. Have a little patience and if you cannot be civil, then just be quiet. These n00bs probaly came from a different online game, most likely driven away by the same type of activity that will take them away from here, along with their resources.
I shall learn alot here, I am sure but it will be at my own pace, making choices that appeal to me. Any attmpt to force me to fly the way you would like just so you can rack up another kill will most likely leave you frustrated.
I have really only one simple rule, "Give more to the game than you take away".
Thank you Sirs <S>
i always ask before i drop in on someone's fight. no answer, i come in. if asked to stay out, i do.
when i'm in a fight, if i have time, i ask friendlies to stay out if that's my desire. sometimes i don't have time to get on vox fast enough.
an example would be a fight i was having 38 vs 38 against shuffler. was a good fun fight. some schmuck(who had earlier continued away from the red guys, 'cause he was alone) came outta nowhere, and waxed him.
i was losing that fight, but i wanted no help.
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i always ask before i drop in on someone's fight. no answer, i come in. if asked to stay out, i do.
when i'm in a fight, if i have time, i ask friendlies to stay out if that's my desire. sometimes i don't have time to get on vox fast enough.
an example would be a fight i was having 38 vs 38 against shuffler. was a good fun fight. some schmuck(who had earlier continued away from the red guys, 'cause he was alone) came outta nowhere, and waxed him.
i was losing that fight, but i wanted no help.
straight up, I would rather die (:rolleyes:) then have someone "PICK" the guy of my 6, or any amount of nme's :D lol I was in a good 3vs1 and someone asked if I wanted help :lol "HELL NO" was my answer besides I was Cheating (using the 16) :rofl
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Frankly, everytime a clandestine 'vet' comes here and complains how MA "dweebs" and "n00bs" have all ruined the "art of fighting" or whatever abstract bullshi* self-gratifying crap they spew, it can always be summarized in a few key points:
1. "You aren't letting me kill you and it's no fun for me"
2. "You should 'learn to fight' by becoming my cannon fodder"
4. "It's only a game. You trying to survive is lame. You should die on the spot when I attack"
5. "Unlike you, I survive purely with my ph34rD l33t skillz, so those things I say doesn't count for me."
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Well, good job "dweebs" and "n00bs".
He’s been around a while, but this is the first post of his that I remember. I like this guy.
It's only fun when you have a reasonable chance of winning, and the vets saying, "I enjoy the pure fun of combat" is basically bullshi*.
I think I’m developing a ‘man-crush.’
this game rocks plain and simple, its the "players" that are at a new "low" not the game.
every day I fly I see the "dweebyness" of most players, and sad to say its not just "noobs", but screw it I still have a blast, and could give two craps about how someone else flies or what they fly :rolleyes:
“Dweebyness” is subjective, and even then, not consistently applied. I have, at one time or another, done many “dweeby” acts, like HO’ing, dragging to ack, picking, taking out fhs at the “furball” base (sorry again, Snailman), etc. I have so far managed to not angrily pm and I keep 200 de-tuned. Most all of us put on our dweeb hats now and then.
+1
this game is really the absolute best entertainment one can get for 50 cents a day. :aok
CAP1 nails the bottom line. I’ve heard this about golf (among other activities) – “When it’s good, it’s good. When it’s bad, it’s still pretty good.”
After flying here for 3 weeks, my opinion will probably have little value to those who seem to think they "own" this game.
Welcome to the game. It is HiTech’s game and it is open to anyone with $15/month. Play the way you want.
I tell friends about this and invite them to try it but seriously wonder if my invitation shall cast aspersions on my character when they see how the honarable men who fly this sim treat each other.
Who are these honorable men and why haven’t I met them?
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I think he is saying when a "vet" see's this type of play he should not get worked up over it, or get pissed cuz some noob is being just that, but when a "vet" does those same tactics, that is when there is an issue and sadly LOTS of "vets" do this type of "flying".
at least that's what I got out of his reply, I could be wrong and should not assume...
Again, spot on! :aok
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Meanwhile, back at the cartoon airbase, Clutch Cargo is talking smack about the posters in this thread.
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After flying here for 3 weeks, my opinion will probably have little value to those who seem to think they "own" this game. There is really alot to learn here. It's also that thing where the more ya learn the more you learn how little you know. It is obvious that the dogfight is the hardest thing to learn in here. I don't think that's where I should be starting. How about I learn to fly a little, learn to control the aircraft, learn to find an enemy, learn how to get in and out of a fight, learn to use the map and I am willing to bet while I take this cautious, patient approach I will end up in plenty of dogfights that I may win or lose and learn from them too. I get a couple kills here and there, I spend alot of time flying, thats fun for me too, the flying part. I do not understand what some of you fine pilots are in such a hurry about, no really. I may have angered some of you dropping into your fights. I didnt understand that many of you would rather die with someone on your 6 than be saved to fly away. Even as a n00b I know enough to watch around me when I am in a fight. I feel stupid when I am surprised and wish to avoid that. With that said, with me, never wait for an invitation to save my butt. You see a guy on me jump right in. If you see me coming to help you and you do not want help, then you better tell me, I got no idea who anyone is and how they prefer to fight.
One thing that I am completely at a loss to understand is the namecalling that goes on here. It is embarrassing. I tell friends about this and invite them to try it but seriously wonder if my invitation shall cast aspersions on my character when they see how the honarable men who fly this sim treat each other. It is more than ever the "vets" here. I'm sorry, the fact that you were here first gives you no priveledges other than a skill set that will surely beat mine. As you ridicule, harass, and demean the n00bs like me, you drive them away. Have a little patience and if you cannot be civil, then just be quiet. These n00bs probaly came from a different online game, most likely driven away by the same type of activity that will take them away from here, along with their resources.
I shall learn alot here, I am sure but it will be at my own pace, making choices that appeal to me. Any attmpt to force me to fly the way you would like just so you can rack up another kill will most likely leave you frustrated.
I have really only one simple rule, "Give more to the game than you take away".
Thank you Sirs <S>
Good Post. With your perspective you should go far in this game. Hang in there, it will get worse before it gets better. :salute
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Again, spot on! :aok
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that's what I thought you were saying.
“Dweebyness” is subjective, and even then, not consistently applied. I have, at one time or another, done many “dweeby” acts, like HO’ing, dragging to ack, picking, taking out fhs at the “furball” base (sorry again, Snailman), etc. I have so far managed to not angrily pm and I keep 200 de-tuned. Most all of us put on our dweeb hats now and then.
hell man 200 is some of the funniest stuff ever, to see how some get so worked up over a game were you don't really die :lol
not only that but some of the nme are great guys and a great convo can happen after a fight.
every thing you listed is not necessarily dweebish, if it's all someone does then it becomes dweeby tardly lame, ect ect,
except dropping FH at a good fight, that is ALWAYS lame!!!
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that's what I thought you were saying.
hell man 200 is some of the funniest stuff ever, to see how some get so worked up over a game were you don't really die :lol
not only that but some of the nme are great guys and a great convo can happen after a fight.
every thing you listed is not necessarily dweebish, if it's all someone does then it becomes dweeby tardly lame, ect ect,
except dropping FH at a good fight, that is ALWAYS lame!!!
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200 is a blast when you fly buffs. it's pretty entertaining when you're on climbout.
the other REALLY fun thing about 200, is when someone accuses you of something on 200, while they themselves are doing exactly what it is they're complaining about.
i was accused of running recently, while the person making said accusation, was themselves running. :rofl
wasn't the first time that happened, won't be the last.....but it never stops being funny!! :rofl
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One thing that I am completely at a loss to understand is the namecalling that goes on here. It is embarrassing. I tell friends about this and invite them to try it but seriously wonder if my invitation shall cast aspersions on my character when they see how the honarable men who fly this sim treat each other. It is more than ever the "vets" here. I'm sorry, the fact that you were here first gives you no priveledges other than a skill set that will surely beat mine.
Well said. The only thing I can compare it to is when I was 14 years old and my buddies and I would constantly rip on each other for no reason at all... but we were 14. :rolleyes:
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This thread is not about you John. Your behavior was but one factor in things I have been observing late.
This whole thread cold have been prevented if I had just let him kill me at the beginning.
This whole thread could have been prevented if you had prosecuted a more than fair 1v1 with some semblance of skill OR dignity, win or loose. You are not a noob, you are a relative veteran, and you chose to apply lameness in a systematic manner, seemingly without feeling one hint of shame. You chose to be part of the problem. And don't give me any horsehockey about "choosing to chase you through ack". If you were going to call it a draw and part ways with me, instead of revving on my six the SECOND I turned away from the ack, you are the first AHII pilot to do so.
But you know...I'm actually sorry I said anything to you about it. Not because it is wrong to call a spade a spade, but because nothing is worth letting the failings of others bring negativity into my space.
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I may have angered some of you dropping into your fights. I didnt understand that many of you would rather die with someone on your 6 than be saved to fly away. Even as a n00b I know enough to watch around me when I am in a fight. I feel stupid when I am surprised and wish to avoid that. With that said, with me, never wait for an invitation to save my butt. You see a guy on me jump right in. If you see me coming to help you and you do not want help, then you better tell me, I got no idea who anyone is and how they prefer to fight.
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I can only speak for myself Zoney, and I'm not a true "vet" with my 2+ years of experience.
But the truth is, I would rather fight and lose, than "live". That's not to say I don't try to bring my cartoon butt home, and that's not to say I don't get torqued sometimes when I get killed in a "dweeby" way.
However, after playing a lot of hours, I've come to realize that the game is a treadmill. The point (for me) isn't to get somewhere; it's to enjoy my time on the treadmill.
Eventually, you reach a point where you (may) realize that, I can spend a lot of time trying to live, or I can spend a lot of time trying to match skills against another player, seeing if I'm better, seeing what I can learn to be a better cartoon dogfighter. I don't need perks, I don't need a name in lights. If I can be a name that people recognize as a "good fight" then that is probably as much as I can, or want, to achieve.
Understand that the most fun in the game, for me, is to pit myself against another player and beat him. That's it. I like getting kills, but I don't need them.
Fly how you want, but realize it's just a game. I might only have a few hours a week to play; I'm not going to spend my "gaming" time flying around avoiding fights. I can do that for free offline.
Give it a few years and see if you still feel the same way.
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This thread sorely needs one more High Horse.
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This thread is not about you John. Your behavior was but one factor in things I have been observing late.
This whole thread could have been prevented if you had prosecuted a more than fair 1v1 with some semblance of skill OR dignity, win or loose. You are not a noob, you are a relative veteran, and you chose to apply lameness in a systematic manner, seemingly without feeling one hint of shame. You chose to be part of the problem. And don't give me any horsehockey about "choosing to chase you through ack". If you were going to call it a draw and part ways with me, instead of revving on my six the SECOND I turned away from the ack, you are the first AHII pilot to do so.
But you know...I'm actually sorry I said anything to you about it. Not because it is wrong to call a spade a spade, but because nothing is worth letting the failings of others bring negativity into my space.
You know, looking at it from your point of view, I now realize why you got upset and I offer up my most sincere apologies.
As a relative veteran, I'm sorry for my shameless systematic application of lameness.
I apologize for being "PA-thetic" and an "embarrassment to AH."
I'm sorry for being a "eunuch" and having a low K/D percentage.
I regret being a "fornicating piece of fecal matter" who ran away from a fair fight.
And yes, thanks to you, I now realize how bad of a pilot I am who can't even win in a 109-vs-P38 fight.
This being the Christmas season, I hope that you can find it in your heart to forgive me of my cowardly and dweebish ways. In the future I shall try to the utmost of my ability to strive to maintain the high standards of behavior expected of Aces High pilots, and to bring no further shame upon either myself, my squad, or the other members of AH. Thank you for taking the time to read this. . .
SKJohn
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There has always been lame behavior in the MA, but it was formerly mostly the province of the noobish, the desperate, etc. It is my observation that it is now being applied in a refined (I will not use the word "skilled") and systematic manner. Honkin' on the stick and HOing is a primary guns defense for the planes which have the turn rate and firepower. "Runners" aren't just some poor guy in a P-51 diving away from 3 Spits anymore...it is any and every plane heading for ack and friends at the first hint of trouble, really no matter the matchup. I mean, there seem to be great numbers of players whose whole purpose is not to engage the enemy themselves and get valid kills at all, but simply to drag individuals to gang bangs or ack-ack guns. Most planes now seem unwilling to leave their horde for a 1v1 against a singleton, if they do follow you far enough, they often try to run at the first sign you will put up a decent fight, no matter the maneuverability situation. (I have seen an La7 run from an FW-190. I kid you not.) These things have gone from being exceptions to the rule, IMO. I have lost respect for perhaps the majority of pilots playing. I'm beginning to suspect the MA culture not only isn't a majority of the old guard ACM types, it doesn't even respect those values. The monkeys have taken over the temple.
I will actually fight it out from a neutral situation, confident of the win until proven wrong. I used to think that was the bare-minimum, bottom rung standard. But apparently that standard actually puts you head and shoulders above the "pack" these days.
In all honesty its about self preservation, most people will use every advantage they can to win in any given situation. It's called being smart. Much as I hate to admit it.
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In all honesty its about self preservation, most people will use every advantage they can to win in any given situation. It's called being smart. Much as I hate to admit it.
i could understand the logic......if we were in real airplanes, and our real lives were on the line.
that said, when i'm in buffs, i DO like to get back home, but i also welcome a fight. :aok
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What amazes me is that people are still playing a game that is allegedly reaching new lows every month since 1999... :headscratch:
It's all your fault, everyone knows that :lol
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This thread is not about you John. Your behavior was but one factor in things I have been observing late.
This whole thread could have been prevented if you had prosecuted a more than fair 1v1 with some semblance of skill OR dignity, win or loose. You are not a noob, you are a relative veteran, and you chose to apply lameness in a systematic manner, seemingly without feeling one hint of shame. You chose to be part of the problem. And don't give me any horsehockey about "choosing to chase you through ack". If you were going to call it a draw and part ways with me, instead of revving on my six the SECOND I turned away from the ack, you are the first AHII pilot to do so.
But you know...I'm actually sorry I said anything to you about it. Not because it is wrong to call a spade a spade, but because nothing is worth letting the failings of others bring negativity into my space.
Seems to me if you saw him running to the ack, you should have turned around and climbed. The only problem I see was your poor decision to follow him, and equally poor decision to rant about it afterwards.
You had won round 1, he was trying to reset the fight. Believe it or not, that's a good way to learn, too.
Do something on the first merge that didn't work, but have the ability to disengage -- now on the next merge with the same pilot flying the same aircraft, the player can try something different and learn whether that will work better.
Allowing the con on your 6 to simply blow you out of the sky doesn't teach you anything. Most of us already have that part worked out. It's everything that leads up to that point that one needs to work on.
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most people will use every advantage they can to win in any given situation.
Just about all people in the game will, they just refuse to admit it. The hypocricy is rampant in the game to where it's laughable. The same guy who calls you a runner or a picker will be picking and running in the same engagement later on. Of course, his reason for running or picking is noble and just, where your reason is base cowardice.
I find the hypocricy amusing.
Fly a fast plane and disengage when you are about to get ganged and you are a runner/coward. Yet the guy in the yak who calls you a runner won't turn his plane less sharp against your P51; he'll use his planes strengths to defeat you or escape/turn the tables if you are the aggressor.
The other day I was RTB after fighting a horde at their base and I picked a guy along the way. He had been fighting a squaddie of mine who himself got picked a second or two before I performed my "pick". I then got an earful for ganging, even though my victim had been in a horde just minutes ago. Then he went on to criticize me for flying a 51, even though I killed him while he was in a K4, a more dangerous combat plane.
I really got a good laugh out of the exchange, as did my squaddies. :aok
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Steve I think most of us have it worked out that we
1/ Have to fly the way the other guy wants us to.
2/ Only fly the planes that they like.
3/ Do not dare try evasives and make him miss.
If we could all abide by these rules I'm sure it will make for some very happy players and less whining on 200 and the BBS.
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I don't care if they BnZ, I don't care if they "E" fight, I don't care if they like to turn and burn.
I don't care if they like to bomb crap from high alt, I don't care if they like to dive bomb.
I don't care if the fly spits, I don't care if they fly hogs, I don't care if they fly 190's.
All I want is a fight !
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With that said, with me, never wait for an invitation to save my butt. You see a guy on me jump right in. If you see me coming to help you and you do not want help, then you better tell me, I got no idea who anyone is and how they prefer to fight.
Zoney, when you see someone in a fight, and it's just a 1 on 1 fight, always ask the person if he wants your help before you engage, it's just a respect thing, he might be having a great dog fight going on and if you come in and kill the person he's fighting then most likely he's gonna get really upset with you, your intention may be to save him, but like I said he might not want your help, so always ask first. :aok
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Steve I think most of us have it worked out that we
1/ Have to fly the way the other guy wants us to.
2/ Only fly the planes that they like.
3/ Do not dare try evasives and make him miss.
If we could all abide by these rules I'm sure it will make for some very happy players and less whining on 200 and the BBS.
hey dude.....did you enjoy the stuff from ziggy just now in mw?
i was almost rollin out of my chair....thankfully i was on auto climb for most of it. :aok
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Zoney, when you see someone in a fight, and it's just a 1 on 1 fight, always ask the person if he wants your help before you engage, it's just a respect thing, he might be having a great dog fight going on and if you come in and kill the person he's fighting then most likely he's gonna get really upset with you, your intention may be to save him, but like I said he might not want your help, so always ask first. :aok
i might add, it's respect for the green guy, as much as it is for the red guy. :aok
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Oddly enough, I haven't been HO'd in the mains in months, and I see people here complaining about it. Maybe it's because I don't play AH that much too more?
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Oddly enough, I haven't been HO'd in the mains in months, and I see people here complaining about it. Maybe it's because I don't play AH that much too more?
There are people that will come back and try to HO you right after you kill them. I had one try it today after he came NOE (and I mean dirt level) to our base and tried to zoom to my Tempest in a 190A8. When that didnt work and he died he came back in a light La7 and tried three unsuccesful HO passes before I gave him what he wanted and then wounded with an oil leak and fuel leak he tried to run home. :rolleyes:
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Oddly enough, I haven't been HO'd in the mains in months, and I see people here complaining about it. Maybe it's because I don't play AH that much too more?
just had a guy in a 190......3 passes he went for ho. he was smart enough to not try to yank it back round. when he finally did lose his alt and e, he egressed, and came back.
for some reason he seemed to have a hardon for my 38 o doom, as he bypassed 3 other cons for me. i dragged him into ack....then with drkhors's help shot his stoopid arse down. :devil
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There has always been lame behavior in the MA, but it was formerly mostly the province of the noobish, the desperate, etc. It is my observation that it is now being applied in a refined (I will not use the word "skilled") and systematic manner. Honkin' on the stick and HOing is a primary guns defense for the planes which have the turn rate and firepower. "Runners" aren't just some poor guy in a P-51 diving away from 3 Spits anymore...it is any and every plane heading for ack and friends at the first hint of trouble, really no matter the matchup. I mean, there seem to be great numbers of players whose whole purpose is not to engage the enemy themselves and get valid kills at all, but simply to drag individuals to gang bangs or ack-ack guns. Most planes now seem unwilling to leave their horde for a 1v1 against a singleton, if they do follow you far enough, they often try to run at the first sign you will put up a decent fight, no matter the maneuverability situation. (I have seen an La7 run from an FW-190. I kid you not.) These things have gone from being exceptions to the rule, IMO. I have lost respect for perhaps the majority of pilots playing. I'm beginning to suspect the MA culture not only isn't a majority of the old guard ACM types, it doesn't even respect those values. The monkeys have taken over the temple.
I will actually fight it out from a neutral situation, confident of the win until proven wrong. I used to think that was the bare-minimum, bottom rung standard. But apparently that standard actually puts you head and shoulders above the "pack" these days.
I could be seen as a runner than.
Played a couple of months (3) 5 months ago and started again this month.
I'm not a very skilled pilot, I'll give you that on a platter, and I fly the safe way. If I see I can't win, I'm out of the fight.
But if I have to fight, I'll give my best.
Though if a friendly pilot requests help I wont let them hang.
I guess I fly how it should be regarding to me, IRL you ain't gonna call out he's mine, take a hike.
Mostly I fly with a wingman aswell, it's more fun to have a friend who watches you.
There is a thing called the dualing arena for 1 on 1.
Thats my 2cent's.
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nor i in my p38 o doom.
what i DO have a problem doing, however, is providing a good fight to my opponent :aok
Liar ! :bolt:
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I could be seen as a runner than.
Played a couple of months (3) 5 months ago and started again this month.
I'm not a very skilled pilot, I'll give you that on a platter, and I fly the safe way. If I see I can't win, I'm out of the fight.
But if I have to fight, I'll give my best.
Though if a friendly pilot requests help I wont let them hang.
I guess I fly how it should be regarding to me, IRL you ain't gonna call out he's mine, take a hike.
Mostly I fly with a wingman aswell, it's more fun to have a friend who watches you.
There is a thing called the dualing arena for 1 on 1.
Thats my 2cent's.
i don't care how ya fly......hell......i was e-fighting a hellkitty that kept tryin to drag me to ack..till his buddy in a hurri came and tried to pick me. i was low on fuel anyway, so i chose not to have an uber turner tryin to pick at me while i was busy with the kitty. lot of poop on 200 from him.
now, that said......you say you're not very good. there's only one way to get good though, and that's to get down into it. if ya die doesn't matter....as long as you learned something in that fight.
you'll find that most will answer questions if you ask nicely too.
just last night, i had my 38 o doom in what started as a 3 vs4, and it ended up being 3 vs me. i shoulda paid more attention to the other 38, as i found out(the hard way it) was oldman22.....but the other 2 were c-205's....and those c-205 drivers are sneaky bastages.
anyway, not tryin to tell ya how to fly.....just offerin a different perspective.
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After flying here for 3 weeks, my opinion will probably have little value to those who seem to think they "own" this game. There is really alot to learn here. It's also that thing where the more ya learn the more you learn how little you know. It is obvious that the dogfight is the hardest thing to learn in here. I don't think that's where I should be starting. How about I learn to fly a little, learn to control the aircraft, learn to find an enemy, learn how to get in and out of a fight, learn to use the map and I am willing to bet while I take this cautious, patient approach I will end up in plenty of dogfights that I may win or lose and learn from them too. I get a couple kills here and there, I spend alot of time flying, thats fun for me too, the flying part. I do not understand what some of you fine pilots are in such a hurry about, no really. I may have angered some of you dropping into your fights. I didnt understand that many of you would rather die with someone on your 6 than be saved to fly away. Even as a n00b I know enough to watch around me when I am in a fight. I feel stupid when I am surprised and wish to avoid that. With that said, with me, never wait for an invitation to save my butt. You see a guy on me jump right in. If you see me coming to help you and you do not want help, then you better tell me, I got no idea who anyone is and how they prefer to fight.
One thing that I am completely at a loss to understand is the namecalling that goes on here. It is embarrassing. I tell friends about this and invite them to try it but seriously wonder if my invitation shall cast aspersions on my character when they see how the honarable men who fly this sim treat each other. It is more than ever the "vets" here. I'm sorry, the fact that you were here first gives you no priveledges other than a skill set that will surely beat mine. As you ridicule, harass, and demean the n00bs like me, you drive them away. Have a little patience and if you cannot be civil, then just be quiet. These n00bs probaly came from a different online game, most likely driven away by the same type of activity that will take them away from here, along with their resources.
I shall learn alot here, I am sure but it will be at my own pace, making choices that appeal to me. Any attmpt to force me to fly the way you would like just so you can rack up another kill will most likely leave you frustrated.
I have really only one simple rule, "Give more to the game than you take away".
Thank you Sirs <S>
Not the best way to learn IMHO . When I started in june of last year . I looked for guys better then me . I spent a ton of time in the TA and DA with a dewd named Texture , goes by Bighorn and other names as well . Got beat on like he caught me stealing from his mothers purse . I ask the guys I think are the better pilots to go to the DA and spar . Guys like batfinkv ,creton ,grizz ,moot,Ack Ack , shuffler etc . I only know two things going in I am going to get the crap stomped outta me and I am going to learn . When I am in the MA , I ask for the chance to 1v1 , if I die , I learn . Score don't mean a dang thing in here . Guys like Delirium Corkeyjr Silat Mntman Rolex , will tell you what it means . I dont give a crap about my score , I want to fly and fight like the guys I mentioned ,others I haven't . If I tried to list everyone who has taken time out of what they are doing to help me by answering some questions , telling me where some good info is , or just give me a good 1v1. I would be here for two days . When I am in the MA's , if on opposing sides . I actively hunt them , give a fair fight , and on the GOLDEN occasion I WIN ! Man I have done something ! I have shot everyone of those guys down . So it is 1 time out of 30-50 times tried . I film it all save the good ones after looking them over , watch the color off of them then ask these guys more questions . That in mho is the way to learn . Hang the part of your ego that won't let you get shot down up .Take the lumps and learn . It ain't a learning curve in here it's a learning cliff , at some point you just gotta leap off that mother . There are some great sticks and great guys in here , the really great ones will help you in any way they can . I mean anyway . When I had been playing for less then 4 months my wife was having her second emergency surgery in a year . I though that the first latin Dr.'s learned was 1.5 % interest monthly= 18% a year but we can compound monthly . I was telling my squaddies it was my last few days for a few months . I had some medical bills I really needed to pay off . Was hoping it might be able to be back in 2 months but was looking like it may be four months . Shuffler paid my subscription for 2 months . When I got them paid off he would not let me repay him . Told me to pay it forward . These guys will help any way they can . I will tell you this they will help you alot quicker if you give me the best fight you can . A <S> from any of they guys I mentioned is way better then landed kills name in lights .Sorry shuff for outing you , but got to say I will laugh like a maniac if you get besieged by requests to help pay a few months of destittute ne'er=do=well subscriptions . I predict Lew will be the first one to ask :rofl For all the Vudaks Soulyss Estes and tons of others that have helped me as well thnx and :salute For one other guy hardly anyone likes . :salute to spacey for teaching me how to not get picked all the time .
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Last few times I was in the DA it seemed like just another MA. I kept asking for 1 on 1 fights on the comms and everyone kept furballing and ganging, "I really doubt it was fear of me". I just dont see much difference in the dynamic of the DA compared to the MA.
Maybe Im just not hitting it at the right times.
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Last few times I was in the DA it seemed like just another MA. I kept asking for 1 on 1 fights on the comms and everyone kept furballing and ganging, "I really doubt it was fear of me". I just dont see much difference in the dynamic of the DA compared to the MA.
Maybe Im just not hitting it at the right times.
Yeah, my second time hitting the DA for furball lake a few days ago made me laugh. Two unnamed figures landed 5-7 kills each in Tempests...do they think they are that cool? Witnessing them , they took off to the opposite site of furball lake and came in at about 15K.
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THE ONLy time i've gone to da and had fun was for that 109 vs p38 challenge.
speaking of which..............when's the next one happening?>
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Yeah, my second time hitting the DA for furball lake a few days ago made me laugh. Two unnamed figures landed 5-7 kills each in Tempests...do they think they are that cool? Witnessing them , they took off to the opposite site of furball lake and came in at about 15K.
Sounds like they were practicing their bouncing tatics. :D I don't DA furball that much, but theirs always someone landing 2 kills in a tempest. :rolleyes:
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honestly think the game play is pretty much the same as its always been its just been induced by split arena's, bigger maps, and harder to take bases (IE more ack and bigger towns).. Personally I'd rather see more smaller maps in the cycle. It was alot funner when nearly every base was important. The base takers were happy because the bases werent all that far apart and each one had a strategic reason for capture. And of course the furballers were happy since we wouldnt have to look at the map all day looking for a decent dar bar. Personally I wouldnt consider myself a pure furballer. I would enjoy taking bases aslong as there was a fight involved.
I originally thought the reasoning behind the bigger maps was due to an expected raise in player base but it hasnt happend atleast not on an active players standpoint. there is probably a huge base of inactives. Ive been away for nearly 2 years and i havent seen a raise. Infact i think there were more active players 5 years ago than there is now. Of course this is just perception without any hard stats to back it up.
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Last night I was impressed at the number of folks that had a clean ho shot on me and DID NOT take it. Even a Tempest when out of his way not to shoot me in the face. It was and enjoyable time.
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Last night I was impressed at the number of folks that had a clean ho shot on me and DID NOT take it. Even a Tempest when out of his way not to shoot me in the face. It was and enjoyable time.
Your lucky I wasnt on...... :devil :D
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Last night I was impressed at the number of folks that had a clean ho shot on me and DID NOT take it. Even a Tempest when out of his way not to shoot me in the face. It was and enjoyable time.
i had a couple fights in the last couple nights that were good.
several against c-205's that had the chance, but never did.
but then there was the dork in the 190a5. 3 ho passes...all missed........extends, and repeats. only this time there was no escape. :devil
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Well, I'm not ready to throw out game-wide proclamations abou the demise of Aces High.
However, I have noticed something the last few times I've flown.
Twice now I have been deeply involved in a very fun 1v1 only to have someone come in and attack the guy I'm engaged with. The first time, I actually called out on range and asked everyone to stay out. But, unfortunately, somebody either didn't care, or didn't care to listen and jumped in anyway. I suppose the right thing to do would have been to have a temper tantrum at the guy, but I didn't.
The second time it was the same situation except I didn't see the other friendly jumping in until it was too late to call him off.
I've been pretty lucky with finding some good fights, mostly by flying into at least two bad guys alone, and lower. However, I'm finding it very hard to keep a good, involved 1v1 a 1v1.
I still wonder how those fights would have gone...
Anyway, I doubt this is something new, but I don't play much anymore and this is what stuck out to me.
No the demise of aces high isnt near.not so long as 12 year olds are allowed to join and play :x
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Last night I was impressed at the number of folks that had a clean ho shot on me and DID NOT take it. Even a Tempest when out of his way not to shoot me in the face. It was and enjoyable time.
The trick is to maneuver away from the ho shot before it's a ho. The ability to recognize that it is going to be one a few seconds prior is very important. If you don't, you are at the mercy of a lesser skilled pilot whether or not he shoots/decides not to is up to him. From my experiences, they will shoot 90% of the time so I try my hardest to never give any enemy that shot.
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The game has it's ups and downs that's for sure but sometimes you just have to make your own fun. I spend a couple hours tonight flying headlong into a furball in a B5N with Del in the back manning the 7.7mm MG just to see how long we could hang on. The thing about doing silly stuff like this is that A) it's fun, and B) it's infectious, after a couple sorties we had a couple people on the other side upping a B5N to come hunt us down and even managed to have a 1v1 B5N fight for a little while. We had some success but most the night looked like this.
(http://i448.photobucket.com/albums/qq209/Soulyss/b5n-gang.jpg)
but there was lots of laughter and a good time was had by all.
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The game has it's ups and downs that's for sure but sometimes you just have to make your own fun. I spend a couple hours tonight flying headlong into a furball in a B5N with Del in the back manning the 7.7mm MG just to see how long we could hang on. The thing about doing silly stuff like this is that A) it's fun, and B) it's infectious, after a couple sorties we had a couple people on the other side upping a B5N to come hunt us down and even managed to have a 1v1 B5N fight for a little while. We had some success but most the night looked like this.
(http://i448.photobucket.com/albums/qq209/Soulyss/b5n-gang.jpg)
but there was lots of laughter and a good time was had by all.
dam/ wish i coulda gotten there. i was kinda busy in mw gettin schooled by dedalos. good guy to fight....and moves that 38 around VERY nicely.
next time, i'll join yas.
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You want an uninterrupted good 1v1? Go to the Dueling Arena, that's what it's for. Now as a rule though, I do generally ask a guy if he needs help. If there's a huge fight going on I may not.
We're there to kill the enemy and take bases in the Arenas. It's suppose to be a reflection of the real war. Don't think they ever taught a guy to go 1v1 on purpose. Yes we have our furballers and there are places on the map usually with them in mind. Myself, feel free to kill anyone around me.... please!
There is one exception. That is when someone has already knocked a wing off or has burned the enemy. That's his kill that is not to be stolen. Problem there tho is I've seen planes with half a wing still flying and the guy leave thinking he's dead. Just have to go with the flow.
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You want an uninterrupted good 1v1? Go to the Dueling Arena, that's what it's for. Now as a rule though, I do generally ask a guy if he needs help. If there's a huge fight going on I may not.
We're there to kill the enemy and take bases in the Arenas. It's suppose to be a reflection of the real war. Don't think they ever taught a guy to go 1v1 on purpose. Yes we have our furballers and there are places on the map usually with them in mind. Myself, feel free to kill anyone around me.... please!
There is one exception. That is when someone has already knocked a wing off or has burned the enemy. That's his kill that is not to be stolen. Problem there tho is I've seen planes with half a wing still flying and the guy leave thinking he's dead. Just have to go with the flow.
Reflection of real war?
Where? What enemy?
I have never actually killed anyone in AH nor have I ever really died. Jeez I gotta be missing something :)
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You want an uninterrupted good 1v1? Go to the Dueling Arena, that's what it's for. Now as a rule though, I do generally ask a guy if he needs help. If there's a huge fight going on I may not.
We're there to kill the enemy and take bases in the Arenas. It's suppose to be a reflection of the real war. Don't think they ever taught a guy to go 1v1 on purpose. Yes we have our furballers and there are places on the map usually with them in mind. Myself, feel free to kill anyone around me.... please!
There is one exception. That is when someone has already knocked a wing off or has burned the enemy. That's his kill that is not to be stolen. Problem there tho is I've seen planes with half a wing still flying and the guy leave thinking he's dead. Just have to go with the flow.
UUMMM//......
what possible fun can there be in ganging 1 guy?
we were fighting down south on the map, and only one other guy down there....was 2die4......and on request, he remained out of each fight, while watching.
<<S>>2die4 for that. :aok
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On a side note, you wont learn mach from winning. I learned by getting my arse handed to me repeatedly for hours. I think it was worth the investment.
Now, can someone explain to me the what "you expect me to die?" argument? How do you know its a sure death? If the guy is 1K + on your six chasing you, it is an even fight. Why assume sure death?
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You want an uninterrupted good 1v1? Go to the Dueling Arena, that's what it's for. Now as a rule though, I do generally ask a guy if he needs help. If there's a huge fight going on I may not.
We're there to kill the enemy and take bases in the Arenas. It's suppose to be a reflection of the real war. Don't think they ever taught a guy to go 1v1 on purpose. Yes we have our furballers and there are places on the map usually with them in mind. Myself, feel free to kill anyone around me.... please!
There is one exception. That is when someone has already knocked a wing off or has burned the enemy. That's his kill that is not to be stolen. Problem there tho is I've seen planes with half a wing still flying and the guy leave thinking he's dead. Just have to go with the flow.
This poor guy just doesn't get it.
On a side note, you wont learn mach from winning. I learned by getting my arse handed to me repeatedly for hours. I think it was worth the investment.
Now, can someone explain to me the what "you expect me to die?" argument? How do you know its a sure death? If the guy is 1K + on your six chasing you, it is an even fight. Why assume sure death?
What he is trying to say..... "I never test myself so i know I will always get shot down". .... and it is true since he never takes the initiative to improve.
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Hows that work for me then? I try every single time, and still end up dying :D
Oh well, steep learning curve, and I must be at least, ooh, an inch up it now maybe.....
Wurzel
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Hows that work for me then? I try every single time, and still end up dying :D
Oh well, steep learning curve, and I must be at least, ooh, an inch up it now maybe.....
Wurzel
IMO
There is that golden moment when you get a fight where your opponent is slightly better. These fights are the ones where you learn the most.
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This poor guy just doesn't get it.
What he is trying to say..... "I never test myself so i know I will always get shot down". .... and it is true since he never takes the initiative to improve.
i tell ya what.........i was thinkin i was finally gettin pretty good in the ole 38 o doom.
i thought wrong. last night, while massive fun, was a major bubble burster. tonight, if i don't pass out as soon as i get home, i'm gonna watch the film(ded was good enough to take the time to email it to me), and i feel that if i can see me from his viewpoint, i'll see a lot of what i don't seem to be able to see from my own viewpoint.
it was/will be a serious learning experience. there was times i was riding the stall almost constant. i was sitting in my chair sweating my arse off, workin to try to get him. and workin to try to not be gotten. all of em down on the deck too.
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i tell ya what.........i was thinkin i was finally gettin pretty good in the ole 38 o doom.
i thought wrong. last night, while massive fun, was a major bubble burster. tonight, if i don't pass out as soon as i get home, i'm gonna watch the film(ded was good enough to take the time to email it to me), and i feel that if i can see me from his viewpoint, i'll see a lot of what i don't seem to be able to see from my own viewpoint.
it was/will be a serious learning experience. there was times i was riding the stall almost constant. i was sitting in my chair sweating my arse off, workin to try to get him. and workin to try to not be gotten. all of em down on the deck too.
Those are the best... win or lose.
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I winged with Dedalos the other night and saw him turn fight with a Zeke and a Hurri on the deck in a LA5 and beat them both. It was very impressive.
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I winged with Dedalos the other night and saw him turn fight with a Zeke and a Hurri on the deck in a LA5 and beat them both. It was very impressive.
between our fights, 2die4 was in a zeek. i came back out over the water, and saw them fighting, so i kept about 5k out.
do you know how friggin HARD it was to not go in there and pick that big ole 38? :devil
and yes, he beat a zeek in the 38 o doom.
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IMO
There is that golden moment when you get a fight where your opponent is slightly better. These fights are the ones where you learn the most.
I personally very much agree with this statement, not that I don't get anything from dying quick to the "really good" sticks. Just seem to get more out of fight that lasts more that 2 merges sometimes.
Cappy, I hear ya on fighting Ded, I got a chance to go a couple rounds last week with him, he flew several different birds, not that it mattered but it sure hepled me out some. Yea I got spanked, but it was fun, I found somethong I couold do in a B pony, that I was not sure I could. Gonna look for him this week again too, he is quite a bit of fun to fly against, right or wrong on my part :x
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Hows that work for me then? I try every single time, and still end up dying :D
Oh well, steep learning curve, and I must be at least, ooh, an inch up it now maybe.....
Wurzel
You always Zig, when you should Zag, thus always ending up in front of someones sights..... :P
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Hows that work for me then? I try every single time, and still end up dying :D
Oh well, steep learning curve, and I must be at least, ooh, an inch up it now maybe.....
Wurzel
I guess I keep fallin' off at a half an inch then! :)
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Yesterday there was a big crowd at a friendly base. I was damaged and going to land. There were plenty of cons and friendlies. One of the cons dove through no telling how many of my friendlies to shoot me wheels down as I touched down. I congratulated him on his first ever kill. :rofl
How long did he last after that courageous kill? Why didn't you belly land on the main pad? Never advertise a landing with cons around. Many pilots look for low hanging fruit. I usually belly land on the main pad and between buildings if possible when there are cons around.
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IMO
There is that golden moment when you get a fight where your opponent is slightly better. These fights are the ones where you learn the most.
In my experience, those are the fights that last long enough for some picktard to scream in from 20k up and kill one of you.
I just don't see the courtly dueling culture in the MA that is so idolized here. If I get away from the "horde" and go looking for one or two radar cons to fight I inevitably find either buffs, someone completely clueless or AFK, or two guys in Ponies or 109K4s flying around at 25k who'll make B&Z passes until they either kill me or get remotely near the same e level as me at which point they run home. For variety, if I up to defend a field from a lone con I might get a bomb-and-bailer or kamikaze jabo. None of it teaches me anything except to run away as soon as I see multiple cons at much higher alt, because they'll run as soon as I look like I have the slightest chance of getting a non-HO shot in - which I learned within a week of starting.
The other night I was near an enemy base when I noticed all the friendlies had died or run and I was alone with a sky full of red cons. It looked like I could get out if I ran immediately, so I did, and of course four or five chased me. I waited until all but one 109 had peeled off and gotten out of con range and then said, "What the heck, I'll be starting at a positional disadvantage but after all I did come here to fight" and turned back to fight him. It might have been a nice fight, but I never got the chance to find out because naturally after a pass or three a bunch more enemies came back out and killed me. The only lesson I learned from this incident (excluding "I'm not good enough to have the slightest chance of beating or even lasting 30 seconds against 4 or 5 fighters except *maybe* with a huge starting advantage" because I already knew that) is that seeking an "honorable" duel like everyone talks about here just gets me ganged or picked, so don't bother.
The best fights I have all involve the much-maligned base take attempts, because those are the situations where people have lots of motivation to fight without extremely favorable conditions.
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im sure most pilots can agree w/ this, WHen you engage or someone engages you with an advantage. ( EX: spit16 and mossie ) And they're both great pilots ( EX: bongo and drbone ) They both know how to fight. Correct? Well, say drbone is the the spit and bongo is in the mossie, Bongo what would be your first action? try to engage, correct?? Well after you see that you don't have the advantage, What do you do? Most pilots would run or dive to gain speed and possibly come back and engage w/ speed ( this is what i try and so all the time ). After the opponents see this they recognize this as running. not as getting speed and coming back. True, most pilots don't do this, they call for help or run. I also just thought of a solution. How about an arena for certain members who have played for 1 year or more? or an arena just for squads?? Anyone 2nd this?? Comments welcomed!
-JRjolly ( this is just my opinion ) :salute :salute
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In my experience, those are the fights that last long enough for some picktard to scream in from 20k up and kill one of you.
I just don't see the courtly dueling culture in the MA that is so idolized here. If I get away from the "horde" and go looking for one or two radar cons to fight I inevitably find either buffs, someone completely clueless or AFK, or two guys in Ponies or 109K4s flying around at 25k who'll make B&Z passes until they either kill me or get remotely near the same e level as me at which point they run home. For variety, if I up to defend a field from a lone con I might get a bomb-and-bailer or kamikaze jabo. None of it teaches me anything except to run away as soon as I see multiple cons at much higher alt, because they'll run as soon as I look like I have the slightest chance of getting a non-HO shot in - which I learned within a week of starting.
The other night I was near an enemy base when I noticed all the friendlies had died or run and I was alone with a sky full of red cons. It looked like I could get out if I ran immediately, so I did, and of course four or five chased me. I waited until all but one 109 had peeled off and gotten out of con range and then said, "What the heck, I'll be starting at a positional disadvantage but after all I did come here to fight" and turned back to fight him. It might have been a nice fight, but I never got the chance to find out because naturally after a pass or three a bunch more enemies came back out and killed me. The only lesson I learned from this incident (excluding "I'm not good enough to have the slightest chance of beating or even lasting 30 seconds against 4 or 5 fighters except *maybe* with a huge starting advantage" because I already knew that) is that seeking an "honorable" duel like everyone talks about here just gets me ganged or picked, so don't bother.
The best fights I have all involve the much-maligned base take attempts, because those are the situations where people have lots of motivation to fight without extremely favorable conditions.
you're looking in the wrong places, talking to the wrong pile-its.
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Since there are always going to be different motivations for playing, it will continue to be as it is.
Some fly for the fight.
Some fly to survive
Some fly for points
Some fly for their name in lights
Most combine those at times.
I've said it many times before, and I'll say it again. Planes are free, no one really dies. Might as well fight
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HeHe I see not much has changed in this game since I stopped playing. I was thinking of giving a 2 week trial a try sometime once they add the WW1 stuff, but hate to think the hoards are worse than they were before.. :rolleyes:
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BnZ... no wonder you dont like them running to ack... you fly to a field to pick... hence the name Bnz.. But most funny of all is that I have shot you down so many times 1 v 1... So my advice.... keep trying to improve on your skills and quit the complaining... or then again you could quit the game too?
Jacko is not my call sign in the MA...
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Jacko is not my call sign in the MA...
Anonymous talks tough... good humor.
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im sure most pilots can agree w/ this, WHen you engage or someone engages you with an advantage. ( EX: spit16 and mossie ) And they're both great pilots ( EX: bongo and drbone ) They both know how to fight. Correct? Well, say drbone is the the spit and bongo is in the mossie, Bongo what would be your first action? try to engage, correct?? Well after you see that you don't have the advantage, What do you do? Most pilots would run or dive to gain speed and possibly come back and engage w/ speed ( this is what i try and so all the time ). After the opponents see this they recognize this as running. not as getting speed and coming back. True, most pilots don't do this, they call for help or run. I also just thought of a solution. How about an arena for certain members who have played for 1 year or more? or an arena just for squads?? Anyone 2nd this?? Comments welcomed!
-JRjolly ( this is just my opinion ) :salute :salute
Anytime your in the DA Jolly just send me a pm i will pop over and show you what i kno :salute :salute
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since this is still going I will say...I find many fun fights....1,2 V 1....just yesterday I happened to meet up with a bomber formation at 20 thou...the day seemed to be fighting that high...I had never been up there to fight before......but generally I find nice fights everywhere...if that is what I am looking for.....most of the time I am looking for bases under attack though....I find defending a base fun...yes I get p'd off when I get vulched too many times...but it was my choice to up there....I have even had some great 1V1's over the last few days (always find them but the last couple have been really nice fights)
....enemy and friendly cons stayed out of the fights that (I haven't checked)lasted at least 7-10 mins....I suppose though this comes down to where you are looking for your 1 v 1's .....middle of a furball...even the edges...don't bother, that is what it is..... defending a base...same deal, these guys are on a mish..they want your base.....they will, Ho, gang, pick, kick and bite to get it...if you defend hard enough and long enough the base taker crew moves on and you end up with a fun furball....then you will find the atmosphere changes again.....adaption is key to this game, as in real life...things are constantly changing......
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BnZ... no wonder you dont like them running to ack... you fly to a field to pick... hence the name Bnz.. But most funny of all is that I have shot you down so many times 1 v 1... So my advice.... keep trying to improve on your skills and quit the complaining... or then again you could quit the game too?
Jacko is not my call sign in the MA...
So who are you? Put up or shut up.
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HeHe I see not much has changed in this game since I stopped playing. I was thinking of giving a 2 week trial a try sometime once they add the WW1 stuff, but hate to think the hoards are worse than they were before.. :rolleyes:
oh its not THAAAAAT bad, only when certain squads have their squad nights :noid
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HeHe I see not much has changed in this game since I stopped playing. I was thinking of giving a 2 week trial a try sometime once they add the WW1 stuff, but hate to think the hoards are worse than they were before.. :rolleyes:
Well we got some new planes. New terrain and graphics. But yes some mega squads are just getting bigger. I doubt you would enjoy TT if you hate the hoards. Haven't seen that avatar in awhile :salute STRAFING!