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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: JonDoe999 on January 21, 2010, 04:15:05 PM
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This is a quote from my newspaper about Hati. "'The earthquake was a 7.0 on the Rictor Scale. The grief it cause... well... that can't be measured.'"
Also there was a man with a "Will work for Food". He saw another person who needed help and he dropped the sign and rushed over to her and helped her forgeting how hungry he was.
Also, there is a telethone on soon, you should watch it. I forget when it is on. It is on about 20 channels and has over 100 singers and people on the tv.
Haiti is a day of infaminy. May we never forget about Hati. :)
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Haiti
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Name of town please?
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Oops. I did spell that terribly wrong. Also, The newspaper was the Sentail and Lewistown.
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I heard about that at school, those guys really have it rough.
-Penguin
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Everyone says that this is one of the few earth-quakes they have. They count this one as historic. The govener of PA, Ed Rendell, flew a military jet down there to pick up a fraction of the orphans. You know what is shocking, I am the first one who made a thread about Haiti. No one else did. Weird. :confused: :airplane:
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See Rules #4, #6
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Still, no one else is helping them. Besides, they're confused. This WAS a historic earthquake. This is the first one in CENTRIES. They are poor. Do you know what was the oly thing standing down there, The American Embassy. It was the only structure built right.
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See Rules #4, #6
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There are people in this country shooting at police and innocent people as well, we don't abandon everyone else because of it. There is no need to group an entire country into good or bad. There are a lot of people over there hurt, starving, and dying. Haiti has a long history of poverty and genocide due to many large western countries.
After Katrina, people were shot, people were stolen from, unimaginable acts were committed by "people in OUR country". Chaos after disaster is a human problem, not a Haitian problem.
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I'm torn. I mean...I think its good we are helping someone, but they are so ungrateful...I know they are poor and this set them back even more, but they riot when we give them water...because there isn't enough...
Dunno, our country has it's own problems.
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After Katrina, people were shot, people were stolen from, unimaginable acts were committed by "people in OUR country". Chaos after disaster is a human problem, not a Haitian problem.
i dont recall many incidences of aid workers being shot at and priests being killed during katrina
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Some what right. But still, you can't blame them. No one on this earth could have predicted this earthquake would happen at this time. Also, we still have Lousisana to rebuild from Hurricane Katrina. We needed to move them to higher ground so it doesn't flood again. But hey!!! That city was a dump.
I am torn, too!
*****The different color means I am talking about Hurricane Katrina.*****
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Some what right. But still, you can't blame them. No one on this earth could have predicted this earthquake would happen at this time. Also, we still have Lousisana to rebuild from Hurricane Katrina. We needed to move them to higher ground so it doesn't flood again. But hey!!! That city was a dump.
I am torn, too!
*****The different color means I am talking about Hurricane Katrina.*****
well, lets start with our own country before we help some sorry country killing priests :aok
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But New Orleans, the city is below sea level!!! But, we're rebuilding it UNDER SEA LEVEL!!!
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i couldnt care much less about haiti at this point
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Well, I can't control people that don't care much for Haiti.
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oh, i *cared* until the stories about people trying to help were shot started coming up, like i said, daisycutters would do the job pretty well
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Still, no one else is helping them. Besides, they're confused. This WAS a historic earthquake. This is the first one in CENTRIES. They are poor. Do you know what was the oly thing standing down there, The American Embassy. It was the only structure built right.
Supposedly a jewish school building and playground in Port au Prince is still standing. Think about it. :rofl :rofl
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See Rule #4
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Just four letters: M O A B
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they are wild animals, and should be treated liek them
I'm not going to say there isn't violence over there.
But here are some of your "animals"
(http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2010/01/17/alg_haiti_woman_feet.jpg)(http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2010/01/14/alg_haiti-earthquack-victims.jpg)
(http://media3.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/photo/2010/01/13/PH2010011301299.jpg)(http://hosted.ap.org/photos/A/af50da05-26cf-47df-9976-c7a1295a7b08-big.jpg)
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I'm not going to say there isn't violence over there.
But here are some of those "animals"
(http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2010/01/17/alg_haiti_woman_feet.jpg)(http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2010/01/14/alg_haiti-earthquack-victims.jpg)
(http://media3.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/photo/2010/01/13/PH2010011301299.jpg)(http://hosted.ap.org/photos/A/af50da05-26cf-47df-9976-c7a1295a7b08-big.jpg)
Devils Advocate?
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I really dont know what to say, do you think They (Haiti ) gives a crap about me and you? we as a country need to focus on our people , we have plenty of homeless people thanks to the housing disaster, even this many years after Katrina the place is still a mess, so many homes just left as they were not even cleaned up yet, Americans going hungry, Jobs are going away, and we still dole out aid to every other country, which most of them dislike us anyways, but not our money !!
no wonder were in such a financial hole we keep giving the taxpayers money away like drunk sailors in a strip club, I've never seen such recklessness with taxpayers money. Celebrities are donating millions to Haiti BUT will walk right past a homeless American and think nothing of it.
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they are wild animals, and should be treated liek them
You want to pop 'em upside the head with a Massive Ordnance Air Burst? Who's the real animal?
-Penguin
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You want to pop 'em upside the head with a Massive Ordnance Air Burst? Who's the real animal?
-Penguin
me? of course i have lost all hope in mankind
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Wyclef Jean-charity worker slain
By TIM PERONE
Last Updated: 6:48 AM, January 20, 2010
Posted: 4:19 AM, January 17, 2010
The violence that has gripped Haiti in the wake of the massive earthquake has claimed the life of at least one aid worker -- a teenage boy killed working for Haitian born-rapper Wyclef Jean's charity, according to reports.<p>
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"Somebody wanted to carjack him," Jean told London's Telegraph.<p>
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The boy, whose name wasn't released, was shot dead as he was leaving a Port-au-Prince cemetery after dropping off corpses, the paper reported.<p>
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And two Dominican workers were shot as they were giving out food in the increasingly dangerous city, the country's police told MSNBC.<p>
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The severity of injuries to the victims was unclear.<p>
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Yahoo! BuzzDiggRedditFark ItNewsvineStumbleUponTwitterF acebook RSSThe violence that has gripped Haiti in the wake of the massive earthquake has claimed the life of at least one aid worker -- a teenage boy killed working for Haitian born-rapper Wyclef Jean's charity, according to reports.
"Somebody wanted to carjack him," Jean told London's Telegraph.
The boy, whose name wasn't released, was shot dead as he was leaving a Port-au-Prince cemetery after dropping off corpses, the paper reported.
And two Dominican workers were shot as they were giving out food in the increasingly dangerous city, the country's police told MSNBC.
The severity of injuries to the victims was unclear.
Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/international/wyclef_jean_charity_worker_slain_QfIpHWZMLW3xuMIeKqr8JL#ixzz0dIYZ7dH7
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See Rule #4
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You have made yourself clear, disturbingly clear. Someday in the future, when you or someone in your family finds themselves in a situation where they need help, where their life depends on the goodness of mankind; someone will reach out a hand, someone who doesn't know you, maybe even someone who doesn't like you, and they will pull you up onto your own two feet. They will do it without thinking, without reward, and without fear for their own well being. Those are the people who get on a plane and fly to a place struck with violence and poverty because they might be able to save the life a little boy, a mother, a grandfather. They choose to go, you can never loose hope in mankind when you think about those people.
I am done with this thread.
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there is a video of helicopters dropping off food to the survivors, several gunman quickly open up and kill most of the crowd, taking the food for themselves.
I can't find this video - link please or are you making it up.
BTW did you advocate dropping a nuke on new orleans as well?
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I can't find this video - link please or are you making it up.
BTW did you advocate dropping a nuke on new orleans as well?
i only advocate killing those who kill people that come to help, go to youtube, type in haitians killing aid workers, should be the third or fourth video, ill get the link for you in a second
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My cousins Brigade in the 82nd is inbound there to help and guard the supplies, Im in full support of helping the people out :salute
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See Rule #4
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My cousins Brigade in the 82nd is inbound there to help and guard the supplies, Im in full support of helping the people out :salute
How was the flight over the pond? You up in NY yet?
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France let that place go for a reason. Haiti is a toejamhole. Always has been and always will be.
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See Rule #4
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How was the flight over the pond? You up in NY yet?
Nah I dont get there till Feb.16, Im in Lake Tahoe right now riding FRESH POWDER everyday till Sunday then Im going back to Maryland to visit all my friends at their colleges(lord Im not gunna remember much :D ) I got to fly in a 777 on the way back, We broke the speed of sound with a 220 MPH tailwind, it said we were going 780MPH wooot :D
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Some what right. But still, you can't blame them. No one on this earth could have predicted this earthquake would happen at this time. Also, we still have Lousisana to rebuild from Hurricane Katrina. We needed to move them to higher ground so it doesn't flood again. But hey!!! That city was a dump.
I am torn, too!
*****The different color means I am talking about Hurricane Katrina.*****
Keep in mind that New Orleans have been around over 200 years. One event like Katrina and people think we should never rebuild it? I guess we should never rebuild San Fransisco since it lays on earthquake ally.
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Nah I dont get there till Feb.16, Im in Lake Tahoe right now riding FRESH POWDER everyday till Sunday then Im going back to Maryland to visit all my friends at their colleges(lord Im not gunna remember much :D ) I got to fly in a 777 on the way back, We broke the speed of sound with a 220 MPH tailwind, it said we were going 780MPH wooot :D
I'm jealous. Upstate NY is kind of suffering snow wise here...the ski area are good for now, but it's been warm the past couple weeks and not much snow...sucks for snowmobiling too...just got my sled fixed. :(
Cool thing about the 777!! Sounds awesome! :)
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this thread is now about cats.
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i only advocate killing those who kill people that come to help, go to youtube, type in haitians killing aid workers, should be the third or fourth video, ill get the link for you in a second
So where's the link, or were you just making it all up?
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So where's the link, or were you just making it all up?
o right, sorry
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFU50233Tdc
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looks like it was removed from youtube due to graphic content, however this is a VERY related vid
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exactly my point, a bunch of uneducated, illiterate, violent people
why should we help them?
if we can get all the homeless people in america an apartment, and a job, id be more inclined to help haiti
Well they will be here soon enough & in droves so find more apartments because they will come if things don't improve down there.
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I guarantee same thing would (and has) happened in the US if the infrastructure suddenly disappeared and the prisons were emptied.
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I guarantee same thing would (and has) happened in the US if the infrastructure suddenly disappeared and the prisons were emptied.
You got that right.
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someone from AMERICA would help, be honest, how many 3rd world countries helped america when katrina hit? or the twin towers collapsed? none. so we donate millions of dollars to help them, when we have veterans - people that fought for our freedom, begging fr food on the side of theroad
Quite a lot you ignorant fool...
"The State Department or country officials have said offers of help been received from:
Afghanistan, Australia, Austria, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Bahamas, Belgium, Canada, China, Columbia, Cuba, Dominica, Dominican Republic, Ecuador, El Salvador, France, Germany, Guatemala, Greece, Guyana, Honduras, Hungary, Iceland, India, Indonesia, Iran, Israel, Italy, Jamaica, Japan, Jordan, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Mexico, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Paraguay, Philippines, Portugal, South Korea, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Singapore, Slovakia, Spain, Sri Lanka, Switzerland, Sweden, Taiwan, Thailand, Turkey, United Kingdom [Note: includes Great Britian, see first list above], the United Arab Emirates, and Venezuela."
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Mexico is considered borderline 3rd world/2nd world and guess what? Their relief and rescue forces were on site at the disaster area before any US federal response was.
In any case, I agree that for a disaster of this magnitude international aid is needed. I disagree however with what seems to be a policy of handing out charity rather than showing them how to get things back up and running themselves. Same situation in the african nations, they become addicted to foreign aid and never get their toejam together.
With the financial hole the US is in the last thing the gov. should be doing is giving out taxpayer cash like candy to other nations. (again, in disasters like haiti, ok for a limited time, but not the decade-long donation of hundreds of millions that should be used at home to fix the economy).
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Mexico is considered borderline 3rd world/2nd world and guess what? Their relief and rescue forces were on site at the disaster area before any US federal response was.
In any case, I agree that for a disaster of this magnitude international aid is needed. I disagree however with what seems to be a policy of handing out charity rather than showing them how to get things back up and running themselves. Same situation in the african nations, they become addicted to foreign aid and never get their soup together.
With the financial hole the US is in the last thing the gov. should be doing is giving out taxpayer cash like candy to other nations. (again, in disasters like haiti, ok for a limited time, but not the decade-long donation of hundreds of millions that should be used at home to fix the economy).
Excellent post.
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The first and last Haiti thread will die tomorrow....due to careless stupidity by so many in it.
So IN.
It's amazing, some of you. How some of your posts can make me disgusted in this proud country's people. We sit in our 2 story homes, with grocery stores filled to the brim, making 1000x a day than most country's workers earn in a month....and complain about gas.... while people kill each other in a foreign nation over bread after a disaster..... and we still cry "where's ours?"
When will the greed end in this nation? It's simply sickening.
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I can't find this video - link please or are you making it up.
BTW did you advocate dropping a nuke on new orleans as well?
Yes, he did.
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Yes, he did.
Well, schools back soon isn't it?
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Moray you may sit in your 2 story home all fine and dandy but did you ever think theres many many Americans who have lost it all? or are on the verge of it, wheres your compassion for them, granted what happened in Haiti is a disaster which was compounded by inadequate building practices and poor infastruture to begin with, is that our fault? how much more would you like the taxpayers to burden , All the countries have pledged help lets see how many do as they say, I'm having enough trouble keeping me and my sons home after losing a job Ive had for 7 years, i pay enough in taxes as well as most of us do, like i said most Americans can see the homeless people here in America, and just walk past them not giving them a thought or making a snide comment like "go get a job" what jobs?
Theres alot of us im sure that would help a neighbor or a stranded motorist anyone that needed help, why do we care so much about other countries but care so little for there fellow Americans? Hopefully Haiti will recover and go about there bussiness but thats going to be years and at what expense to the American Taxpayers?
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I understand helping the Haitians after the earthquake but at the same time I wonder why our American government doesn't spend that amount of money to help the homeless and needy people here.
Do we really need to be spending millions of dollars over there when it could have gone to the people here in our own country?
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I have a friend who I've know since the mid 70's.. he was naval ROTC in high school...and I was a stoner who wanted to someday get into the entertainment industry......complete polar opposites...yet we got along great right from the 'git go. after high school he ended up going to the naval academy...and after that..although I always heard from him...I heard less and less about him and what he did....yet there was always the perception...even in the mid to late 80's...he was doing things and going places the likes of which he could never talk to me about. we're both retired now......and to this day I don't actually know what he's retired from. that said..when we talk...it's wide open...and during the course of our conversation two days ago...haiti came up. while he and I both agree that we are there for purely altruistic reasons...he also stipulated in no uncertain terms that we had to take over the airport and the air traffic quickly for other... more sinister reasons...primarily....china.
apparently..and this may be no secret to you although it was to me...china would love nothing more... than to make their own "Taiwan" issue right off our shore as well....because it's such a point of contention for them...and they hate us for the taiwan situation. apprenelty....they have been trying to do just that more covertly with haiti for years. one of the first aid planes in country by the way was in fact chinese...long before we had boots on the ground.
anyway...I though this was interesting as hell...and it does make good sense.
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Here is an another perspective that makes it interesting:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0F5TwEK24sA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0F5TwEK24sA)
I know, I know, I said I was done, but I'm just here to drop off this URL, not getting back involved. :bolt:
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I'm glad I was raised to treat others how they treat me. I feel bad for the Haitians and they've never done a thing to me. To blindly "hate anyone" you've never had a single point of contact with in life, is nothing short of pathetic.
Some people posting should never have hit the "Post" button. :eek:
I hope the aftershocks subside, but something tells me, that Fault is fubar and it'll rumble for a couple more months with another 7.0. They barely had anything to begin with, but to lose most of it, not many of us can comprehend.
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I understand helping the Haitians after the earthquake but at the same time I wonder why our American government doesn't spend that amount of money to help the homeless and needy people here.
Do we really need to be spending millions of dollars over there when it could have gone to the people here in our own country?
Sometimes it doesn't matter what you throw at some people in terms of money they'll still end up on the street. NZ's a welfare state, and we still have homeless guys (considerably less than the US though).
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Sometimes it doesn't matter what you throw at some people in terms of money they'll still end up on the street. NZ's a welfare state, and we still have homeless guys (considerably less than the US though).
Exactly. People think "money is the answer", it isn't. <<S>> Vulcan.
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I'm glad I was raised to treat others how they treat me. I feel bad for the Haitians and they've never done a thing to me. To blindly "hate anyone" you've never had a single point of contact with in life, is nothing short of pathetic.
Some people posting should never have hit the "Post" button. :eek:
I hope the aftershocks subside, but something tells me, that Fault is fubar and it'll rumble for a couple more months with another 7.0. They barely had anything to begin with, but to lose most of it, not many of us can comprehend.
QFT
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The only problem I would have with sending them any kind of aid, like giving money myself is there's a good chance anything I send is gonna get hijacked by looters & criminal gangs to be sold on the black market, there's just no order over there.
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I don't know where to start on this thread. I'd generally consider myself a pessimist, but in comparison to some of these posts I've got sunshine shining out of my backside. A couple of those made me physically cringe.
When your neighbors and family's corpses are being loaded into mass graves by fork lifts and bulldozers, let me know how you're feeling.
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You people make me sick. This wasn't a country full of terrorists, it was a democracy, its VERY close to our borders, and they desperately need help, and will continue to need help for a long time. What makes US great as a nation is how willing we are to assist those in need. This is the most pressing need any foreign entity has had in a long time, and responding in Haiti to me is 100x more important than anything we're doing in Iraq or Afghanistan.
I've donated significantly more to Haiti relief than the amount of one of those text messages. I just feel that this one, this tragedy, falls on us to fix. The tsunami a few years ago occurred on the other side of the world, but this earthquake was right in our back yard. We must not respond poorly just because the Haitians were poor.
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as far as rebuilding Haiti and it's infrastructure........there's no reason to believe that throwing tons and tons of money into that horrible situation will make any more of a difference than all the billions America has already pumped into that country in the last 50 years.
Additionally...as a Florida resident... I would submit that (relating to repatriation) we already did our share in 1980...and we're still experiencing issues from acclimating so many people at once...and oh by the way.....never seeing a federal dime for any of it....thank you Mr. jimmy carter.
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it was a democracy,
no sir.
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There are people in this country shooting at police and innocent people as well, we don't abandon everyone else because of it. There is no need to group an entire country into good or bad. There are a lot of people over there hurt, starving, and dying. Haiti has a long history of poverty and genocide due to many large western countries.
After Katrina, people were shot, people were stolen from, unimaginable acts were committed by "people in OUR country". Chaos after disaster is a human problem, not a Haitian problem.
You have to remember... New Orleans is more like Haiti than most US cities. A lot of folks there are still on handouts. The fact remains that Alabama was hit harder than New Orleans. Alabama just had better folks and better leadership.
My prayers are all I'm sending to Haiti personally. My taxes are being spent to support Haiti and in my opinion that is way too much.
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You have made yourself clear, disturbingly clear. Someday in the future, when you or someone in your family finds themselves in a situation where they need help, where their life depends on the goodness of mankind; someone will reach out a hand, someone who doesn't know you, maybe even someone who doesn't like you, and they will pull you up onto your own two feet. They will do it without thinking, without reward, and without fear for their own well being. Those are the people who get on a plane and fly to a place struck with violence and poverty because they might be able to save the life a little boy, a mother, a grandfather. They choose to go, you can never loose hope in mankind when you think about those people.
I am done with this thread.
That is what Friends and Family are about ..... I'll never need or want anything from you.
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i dont recall many incidences of aid workers being shot at and priests being killed during katrina
So you missed the part about the Helicopters being shot at? Random, but alas, it did happen.
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That is what Friends and Family are about ..... I'll never need or want anything from you.
Indeed, because they are all in a position to help you. If they are not, what then? I certainly would never want to rely on a stranger, but in some rare cases some must.
The sense of entitlement in this thread is enough to blow a man over. (Not you shuffler, I'm referring to earlier posts)
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So you missed the part about the Helicopters being shot at? Random, but alas, it did happen.
The Astrodome was opened to let refugees from New Orleans stay there. Most got a card worth around $3000.
They trashed the Atrodome and many were trying to buy nice jewelry and htting strips clubs with their cards. The dumpsters at the Dome were always filled with liquor bottles.
Lot of money wasted there too.
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The Astrodome was opened to let refugees from New Orleans stay there. Most got a card worth around $3000.
They trashed the Atrodome and many were trying to buy nice jewelry and htting strips clubs with their cards. The dumpsters at the Dome were always filled with liquor bottles.
Lot of money wasted there too.
Yep.
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One of the main things they need to do first is do something to regain order, you just start sending in money & aid and it's just gonna get taken by the criminals & gangs instead of those who actually need it.
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What makes US great as a nation is how willing we are to assist those in need.
How about "assisting" those in need in our own country first!!
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like i said, daisycutters would do the job pretty well
wow. I understand that you may not give a toss about anyone but yourself and therefore not want to help someone in need, but I'm intrigued why you would want to go to the site of a natural disaster and then start indiscriminate mass murder? this goes beyond moral ambivalence into the realm of psychosis. this is exactly the kind of attitude displayed by perpetrators of mass shootings. I recommend you seek some psychiatric evaluation before you're triggered and the fantasies turn into reality.
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I'm all for helping them...............THERE. not here.
70% of them are unemployed and have been all their life...meaning they have no (or very limited)job skills...not to mention many are illiterate..and oh by the way...they speak french creole.
I'm stunned some in our govt want to bring 40K plus of them here. many of them are standing in line right now at outside of the airport, waiting for a chance to be flown here....and become a US citizen. I cannot possibly stress enough how that will burden our economy even more...and become a permanent problem. some of these people I mention that are standing in line waiting to come here...actually have roosters in their hands...waiting to board a plane.
I'd rather see us lease a cruise ship or decommishioned carrier off their shore. sure it will still cost us tons of money and drain our economy...but at least it won't burden our already maxxed out hospitals, schools, cops, courts, and prisons here.
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You have to remember... New Orleans is more like Haiti than most US cities. A lot of folks there are still on handouts. The fact remains that Alabama was hit harder than New Orleans. Alabama just had better folks and better leadership.
That is an ignorant statement seeping with racism.
The facts....
Region Per Capita Welfare Expenditure
United States $1,240
Alabama $1,122
Alaska $2,062
Arizona $983
Arkansas $1,226
California $1,232
Colorado $736
Connecticut $1,326
Delaware $2,121
District of Columbia $2,159
Florida $994
Georgia $909
Hawaii $1,129
Idaho $1,001
Illinois $1,052
Indiana $1,025
Iowa $1,188
Kansas $1,033
Kentucky $1,351
Louisiana $1,075
Maine $1,899
Maryland $1,162
Massachusetts $1,779
Michigan $979
Minnesota $1,780
Mississippi $1,294
Missouri $1,027
Montana $908
Nebraska $1,136
Nevada $719
New Hampshire $1,122
New Jersey $1,435
New Mexico $1,476
New York $2,239
North Carolina $1,109
North Dakota $1,144
Ohio $1,452
Oklahoma $1,138
Oregon $1,050
Pennsylvania $1,633
Rhode Island $2,025
South Carolina $1,103
South Dakota $950
Tennessee $1,250
Texas $870
Utah $913
Vermont $1,809
Virginia $952
Washington $1,052
West Virginia $1,298
Wisconsin $1,293
Wyoming $1,143
City, State, % People Below Poverty Level
1. Detroit, MI 32.5%
2. Buffalo, NY 29.9%
3. Cincinnati, OH 27.8%
4. Cleveland, OH 27.0%
5. Miami, FL 26.9%
5. St. Louis, MO 26.8%
7. El Paso, TX 26.4%
8. Milwaukee, WI 26.2%
9. Philadelphia, PA 25.1%
10. Newark, NJ 24.2%
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Ok I am torn. I think we need to help our own country first there are to many unemployed and homeless, for us to go saving everybody else especially the ones who can't help us after they get back on their feet. The only reason why I would say not to help them is b/c we have our own problems that need to be dealt with in the US first. I do not agree that we need to go blow up a place that is already struggling like they are.
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That is an ignorant statement seeping with racism.
The facts....
Region Per Capita
United States $1,240
Alabama $1,122
Alaska $2,062
Arizona $983
Arkansas $1,226
California $1,232
Colorado $736
Connecticut $1,326
Delaware $2,121
District of Columbia $2,159
Florida $994
Georgia $909
Hawaii $1,129
Idaho $1,001
Illinois $1,052
Indiana $1,025
Iowa $1,188
Kansas $1,033
Kentucky $1,351
Louisiana $1,075
Maine $1,899
Maryland $1,162
Massachusetts $1,779
Michigan $979
Minnesota $1,780
Mississippi $1,294
Missouri $1,027
Montana $908
Nebraska $1,136
Nevada $719
New Hampshire $1,122
New Jersey $1,435
New Mexico $1,476
New York $2,239
North Carolina $1,109
North Dakota $1,144
Ohio $1,452
Oklahoma $1,138
Oregon $1,050
Pennsylvania $1,633
Rhode Island $2,025
South Carolina $1,103
South Dakota $950
Tennessee $1,250
Texas $870
Utah $913
Vermont $1,809
Virginia $952
Washington $1,052
West Virginia $1,298
Wisconsin $1,293
Wyoming $1,143
City, State, % People Below Poverty Level
1. Detroit, MI 32.5%
2. Buffalo, NY 29.9%
3. Cincinnati, OH 27.8%
4. Cleveland, OH 27.0%
5. Miami, FL 26.9%
5. St. Louis, MO 26.8%
7. El Paso, TX 26.4%
8. Milwaukee, WI 26.2%
9. Philadelphia, PA 25.1%
10. Newark, NJ 24.2%
you have a link to this data?
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I think what shuffler means is that a large majority of NOLA's population over the last three generations has been raised on, and now must cling to, govt entitlements. ie: govt assistance for food, shelter and medicine... and by doing that....they became overly dependent upon the govt to fill all their needs. NOLA is perhaps the best argument against too much govt entitlements...as it destroys communities...
because of this... we saw the "where's my fema trailer" mentality...with people looking to the govt to solve their food and shelter issues...rather than family and neighbors...such as you see when...for instance..a mid western town is blown away by a tornado. typically they are not jumping in front of tv cameras asking where the govt is..they are usually helping each other.
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I'm all for helping them...............THERE. not here.
70% of them are unemployed and have been all their life...meaning they have no (or very limited)job skills...not to mention many are illiterate..and oh by the way...they speak french creole.
I'm stunned some in our govt want to bring 40K plus of them here. many of them are standing in line right now at outside of the airport, waiting for a chance to be flown here....and become a US citizen. I cannot possibly stress enough how that will burden our economy even more...and become a permanent problem. some of these people I mention that are standing in line waiting to come here...actually have roosters in their hands...waiting to board a plane.
I'd rather see us lease a cruise ship or decommishioned carrier off their shore. sure it will still cost us tons of money and drain our economy...but at least it won't burden our already maxxed out hospitals, schools, cops, courts, and prisons here.
Wow. Just wow.
Prior to my real job, I worked my way through college and was fortunate to work with many Haitians. They were the hardest working, most polite people I've ever known. Every single one of them spoke flawless english. None of them, and I mean NONE of them EVER missed a day of work. If someone was late, 4 of their friends were calling and finding him. They policed themselves, and didn't need supervision for anything. Every single one of them felt privileged to be here, and every single one of them were proud to have become naturalized citizens. Most of them worked 3 jobs at a time.
We fired one Hatian in the 6 years I was working through undergrad and Master's. That was due to a lying "Anglo-American" who was fired a week later when it was discovered he set the Haitian up, he was bragging about it.. We called that Haitian man up, and he refused his job back. Refused to work where he didn't feel respected, no matter what.
This thread is sickening and needs to die.
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Wow. Just wow.
Prior to my real job, I worked my way through college and was fortunate to work with many Haitians. They were the hardest working, most polite people I've ever known. Every single one of them spoke flawless english. None of them, and I mean NONE of them EVER missed a day of work. If someone was late, 4 of their friends were calling and finding him. They policed themselves, and didn't need supervision for anything. Every single one of them felt privileged to be here, and every single one of them were proud to have become naturalized citizens. Most of them worked 3 jobs at a time.
We fired one Hatian in the 6 years I was working through undergrad and Master's. That was due to a lying "Anglo-American" who was fired a week later when it was discovered he set the Haitian up, he was bragging about it.. We called that Haitian man up, and he refused his job back. Refused to work where he didn't feel respected, no matter what.
This thread is sickening and needs to die.
I stand by the fact that 70% of them are unemployed, not educated, and speak french. I would also suggest to you that living in south florida...miles from "little haiti"...I think I know what I'm talking about. but I appreciate your sugar coated thoughts, Mr. Kellog.
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:furious
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I stand by the fact that 70% of them are unemployed, not educated, and speak french. I would also suggest to you that living in south florida...miles from "little haiti"...I think I know what I'm talking about. but I appreciate your sugar coated thoughts, Mr. Kellog.
Pretty funny. I'm talking ABOUT South Florida. Went to school at UM, Rosenstiel School of Marine and Atmospheric Sciences.
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Moray do you have the link to that data you posted? id like to look at all of it not just what you wanted us to see, if your going to post figures wheres the link to back it up?
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additionally...there is a major difference between what I am talking about...which is immediate repatriation of foreign nationals...and those who came here and earned their citizenship.
"the thread needs to die"... ??? silence the opposing opinions, eh? Haitian is NOT a race........it's a nationality.......so don't go there.
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Moray do you have the link to that data you posted? id like to look at all of it not just what you wanted us to see, if your going to post figures wheres the link to back it up?
68, check the Census.
Governing.com will also have it.
edit http://sourcebook.governing.com/index.jsp (http://sourcebook.governing.com/index.jsp)
Welfare
Region Recipients Per 10,000 Residents
United States 128
Alabama 87
Alaska 128
Arizona 119
Arkansas 68
California 317
Colorado 52
Connecticut 98
Delaware 94
District of Columbia 246
Florida 40
Georgia 45
Hawaii 107
Idaho 16
Illinois 53
Indiana 185
Iowa 138
Kansas 130
Kentucky 138
Louisiana 55
Maine 184
Maryland 72
Massachusetts 139
Michigan 189
Minnesota 122
Mississippi 79
Missouri 152
Montana 85
Nebraska 74
Nevada 68
New Hampshire 80
New Jersey 93
New Mexico 174
New York 135
North Carolina 51
North Dakota 82
Ohio 142
Oklahoma 2
Oregon 113
Pennsylvania 120
Rhode Island 188
South Carolina 74
South Dakota 75
Tennessee 253
Texas 55
Utah 43
Vermont 179
Virginia 81
Washington 179
West Virginia 122
Wisconsin 64
Wyoming 9
http://sourcebook.governing.com/subtopicresults.jsp?ind=710 (http://sourcebook.governing.com/subtopicresults.jsp?ind=710)
2 years after Katrina.
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68, check the Census.
Governing.com will also have it.
edit http://sourcebook.governing.com/index.jsp (http://sourcebook.governing.com/index.jsp)
matters not. your figures are irrelevant when discussing the context of NOLA post hurricane.
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matters not. your figures are irrelevant when discussing the context of NOLA post hurricane.
I'm posting in response to Shuffler's assertion that New Orlean's is a city of Welfare beggars.
Region Welfare Caseload Change
United States -6.3%
Alabama -4.7%
Alaska -11.5%
Arizona -9.1%
Arkansas 12.9%
California 11.1%
Colorado -30.1%
Connecticut -4.0%
Delaware -30.6%
District of Columbia -62.7%
Florida -9.4%
Georgia -22.2%
Hawaii -18.8%
Idaho -20.2%
Illinois -21.8%
Indiana 0.8%
Iowa 4.2%
Kansas -18.2%
Kentucky -14.2%
Louisiana 0.9%
Maine -4.2%
Maryland -6.9%
Massachusetts -1.9%
Michigan -13.5%
Minnesota -5.6%
Mississippi -11.2%
Missouri -1.9%
Montana -16.7%
Nebraska -45.0%
Nevada 45.3%
New Hampshire -22.5%
New Jersey -18.1%
New Mexico -16.5%
New York -13.4%
North Carolina -17.6%
North Dakota -24.5%
Ohio -2.1%
Oklahoma -96.2%
Oregon 1.6%
Pennsylvania -37.5%
Rhode Island -15.6%
South Carolina -5.5%
South Dakota -3.6%
Tennessee -11.8%
Texas -12.1%
Utah -33.5%
Vermont 3.6%
Virginia -11.8%
Washington -7.0%
West Virginia -1.0%
Wisconsin -8.5%
Wyoming -8.2%
http://sourcebook.governing.com/subtopicresults.jsp?ind=711 (http://sourcebook.governing.com/subtopicresults.jsp?ind=711)
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Let me phrase it another way. NOLA IS just that...and it's a city. ;)
"welfare" is but one aspect of Govt. entitlements.
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See Rule #4
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Someone wrote that someone from the Dominican Republic was shot trying to help. The two nieghbors don't exactly get along. Does that mean it was correct, of course not.
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But when enough of the majority are acting like pirates, screw em.
And that fundamental misunderstanding is what perpetuates the hatred that's been spewed all over this thread.
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i don't think its hatered, but more frustration (granted theres been a few over the top posts) i think most people are wanting our Gov to be more concerned with OUR people than other countries, i watched a special on it last night on msnbc , One of the Haitian government spokesperson stated that the US has taken control of there Airfield and are in charge of who can land and who can't, all the Haitians see is Guns everywhere and no food or water even a UN is driving around armed to the teeth, it seems the US wants total say and control in Haiti which is pissing alot of countries off, i really hope Haiti won't turn into another Somalia, look at that country .
I hate no one unless you give me a dam good reason to.