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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Silent6 on March 14, 2010, 05:39:57 PM
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Hey go check out the AVA arena...... its separated countries like the usual and there are no enemy icons so its real easy to sneak up on people when your low to the ground and you can bug out and hug the the terrain and people will have a hard time finding you. I was in there with strat the other day and we had a blast. You really have to focus on your opponent to see what direction they are heading. If you think the WW1 dueling arena is fun, take out the really easy ganging factor and you have better gameplay. I just hope people will get off the crutch of enemy icons for this type of flying/fighting. <S> see you in there.
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Hey go check out the AVA arena...... its separated countries like the usual and there are no enemy icons so its real easy to sneak up on people when your low to the ground and you can bug out and hug the the terrain and people will have a hard time finding you. I was in there with strat the other day and we had a blast. You really have to focus on your opponent to see what direction they are heading. If you think the WW1 dueling arena is fun, take out the really easy ganging factor and you have better gameplay. I just hope people will get off the crutch of enemy icons for this type of flying/fighting. <S> see you in there.
Yeah, the crutch of seeing the enemy is killing this game. Turn radar off too, it makes it hard to sneak up people undetected and then escape. Being seen could lead to a fight :O
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Yeah, the crutch of seeing the enemy is killing this game. Turn radar off too, it makes it hard to sneak up people undetected and then escape. Being seen could lead to a fight :O
You should try it before you put your foot so deep in your mouth...
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You should try it before you put your foot so deep in your mouth...
I think he's still under some spell cast by that teenage girl up at the Oracle.
The no-enemy-icons and short-range-friendly-icons - which I once implacably opposed - have turned out to produce much more historical player behavior. It's now easy to get bounced, so you have to spend more time watching for that, gyrating your plane around from time to time to throw off an attacker you haven't yet spotted. Planes with better camoflage are more difficult to see if they're below you. You can lose sight of someone you're fighting and not easily pick it up in the corner of your eye by the flash of his red icon. Voice input from your friends, and finding someone to fly with, take on new importance (granted that these are more related to WWII than WWI).
As many predicted, and as many continue to point out, it isn't for everyone. But if you haven't yet tried it, you really should see what it's like.
- oldman
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You should try it before you put your foot so deep in your mouth...
Well, I am new here. Give me some time to try things out. Maybe after 10 years I will get a better perspective :lol
Now go back and read the post from the guy I quoted describing how it is easier to sneak up on people and then bug out. I am not here to play hide a seek lol. But as I said, I am new and confused thinking this game was about fighting. :lol
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Dear Mr. Dedalos,
It is my extreme honor to invite you into the AVA arena for crumpets and tea. We are very civilized here and would never think of fighting. That behavior will not be tolerated in here. You dote you. There is nothing but fighting in here. In fact the no enemy Icons make it much more interesting. It insures you learn SA and take a more active role in insuring your own six is clear. It is amazing how easy an extra baddie can saddle up on you and take you for a ride. You like to fight then try it. NrRaven, Chewe are a couple more friends you would like to meet you in the AVA. It really a blast.
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"The no-enemy-icons and short-range-friendly-icons - which I once implacably opposed -
have turned out to produce much more historical player behavior."
I told you s_.... er. won't say it. (raspberry noise)
Soon as my scarf comes in I'm airborne! Look forward to trying out the AvA again
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:aok
I agree with the OP...the ww1 dueling arena was kinda boring. Eveyone was on the deck at only 2 to 3k max, and it was just one long congo line between NME bases with everyone just ganging. There was no strategy or tactical elements involved. It wasn't much of a "fight" and not much demo on flying and tactics. I will give ww1 another try in the AVA since he mentioned it.
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Dear Mr. Dedalos,
It is my extreme honor to invite you into the AVA arena for crumpets and tea. We are very civilized here and would never think of fighting. That behavior will not be tolerated in here. You dote you. There is nothing but fighting in here. In fact the no enemy Icons make it much more interesting. It insures you learn SA and take a more active role in insuring your own six is clear. It is amazing how easy an extra baddie can saddle up on you and take you for a ride. You like to fight then try it. NrRaven, Chewe are a couple more friends you would like to meet you in the AVA. It really a blast.
lol, I was responding to a specific post :P I ll see ya there. What times you guys in?
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Dear Mr. Dedalos,
WTH? :headscratch: :huh
Why, why would you give that tard the honor of a "Mr." in front of his name? And a "Dear"????
Repulsive! I'm gonna puke!! :rofl
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Haven't had the chance to fly it this week, but it was very cool with the midway set-up.
Like Oldman said, it's not for everyone, but a lot of players who hadn't been in the AvA in a long time, tried it and were quite excited about it.
A healthy AvA arena won't hurt anyone.
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I'll be back in the AvA as soon as WWI leaves. Alot have seemed to like it but very few maneuvers can be performed and it's basically a flat turn to the finish. It's just not for me but the AvA is an awesome place guys I've had some fantastic fun over the past month in there. No eny icons have been a blast and SA is at up most importance. I hope this arena starts to fill up and with more regular members we can start expanding the objectives. GL hope u enjoy :salute
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Well, I am new here. Give me some time to try things out. Maybe after 10 years I will get a better perspective :lol
Now go back and read the post from the guy I quoted describing how it is easier to sneak up on people and then bug out. I am not here to play hide a seek lol. But as I said, I am new and confused thinking this game was about fighting. :lol
It's about land grabbing. Fighting is just a part of it. :old:
But what do I know....... :joystick:
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Haven't had the chance to fly it this week, but it was very cool with the midway set-up.
Agreed.
It allowed a P-40B to survive for several minutes as the enemy zekes had to do a visual ID.
The lack of range info also made me take more time on the shots.
One the downside, the no-icon setting seems to favor those with better graphics cards/larger monitors.
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One the downside, the no-icon setting seems to favor those with better graphics cards/larger monitors.
Larger monitors get a little more advantage...keep in mind the larger monitors are running at higher resolutions...the only way smaller monitors would take a hit is if they are the widescreen units that use high res native settings...but it's no more of an advantage as a difference in the other equipment people use...just a matter of being used to whatever a person has chosen.
And don't mind Wagger, he tries but sometimes the delivery is just a squeak off...not bad for an old Army turd.
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i fly a 22" monitor and i was still getting my butt smacked by everyone, including my own squadies! you'd be on one guy, about to drill him, forget to look back, and the last thing that goes through your mind is that .50cal bullet, from the guy you didnt see! :D I have a radeon 4890 and it doesn't do me any good, if i don't look for ya! not to mention you cant tell what plane it was until you were within 2k. at one point we shut off all icons, both friendly and enemy. that was really interesting!!
it was a blast though! <S> to all!
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Larger monitors get a little more advantage...keep in mind the larger monitors are running at higher resolutions...the only way smaller monitors would take a hit is if they are the widescreen units that use high res native settings...but it's no more of an advantage as a difference in the other equipment people use...just a matter of being used to whatever a person has chosen.
And don't mind Wagger, he tries but sometimes the delivery is just a squeak off...not bad for an old Army turd.
I disagree I fly with a crappy 15 inch laptop barely can play the game as it is and I was holding a 4.6 k/d before the switch to WWI. It's all about the pilot I believe.
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I disagree I fly with a crappy 15 inch laptop barely can play the game as it is and I was holding a 4.6 k/d before the switch to WWI. It's all about the pilot I believe.
Just curios TnDep, what exactly did you disagree with? :headscratch: You have a "crappy 15 inch monitor" which doesn't fit the widescreen hi res description...has to run at lower resolutions which means the visible pixels are larger...no real disadvantage there.
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Dear Mr. Dedalos,
It is my extreme honor to invite you into the AVA arena for crumpets and tea. We are very civilized here and would never think of fighting. That behavior will not be tolerated in here. You dote you. There is nothing but fighting in here. In fact the no enemy Icons make it much more interesting. It insures you learn SA and take a more active role in insuring your own six is clear. It is amazing how easy an extra baddie can saddle up on you and take you for a ride. You like to fight then try it. NrRaven, Chewe are a couple more friends you would like to meet you in the AVA. It really a blast.
Here you go. Happy now?
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Here you go. Happy now?
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"Dear Mr. Dedalos" :rofl :rofl :rofl
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I had an awesome time in there. No enemy icons is perfect for the WW1 AC. I havent had that much fun in AH in a long time... People on comms were actually coordinating and calling out dots. A lot of fun!!!
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Dear Mr Dedalos,
You can find me in the AVA arena from about 2030 hrs to about 2400 hrs each evening. Times might vary for each night but will gladly meet you their. Looking forward to you presents and hope you enjoy it as much as I. If you don't mind I would rather go to Denny's.
Best Wished
Viscount Wagger, SOB, LC, AH and NARNG
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If you don't mind I would rather go to Denny's.
Best Wished
Viscount Wagger, SOB, LC, AH and NARNG
Well, have you tried Raiders famous pancakes yet?
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Well, have you tried Raiders famous pancakes yet?
I make some damn good pancakes! It's a "splat" of a good time.
Ask Deadalos about his famous Greek Mashed taters...... :D
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Who needs pancakes?
When 'ded a lot' tatter tots are the yummiest...
:x
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Just curios TnDep, what exactly did you disagree with? :headscratch: You have a "crappy 15 inch monitor" which doesn't fit the widescreen hi res description...has to run at lower resolutions which means the visible pixels are larger...no real disadvantage there.
I don't know what I was thinking I read it as larger monitors has the advantage and I translated it to larger monitors make better pilots but I don't think thats what you meant. Plus I've been sick so my thinking isn't as shape as normal :lol
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I had an awesome time in there. No enemy icons is perfect for the WW1 AC. I havent had that much fun in AH in a long time... People on comms were actually coordinating and calling out dots. A lot of fun!!!
Since when did WWi planes have comms?
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Semaphore and hand signals.
Seriously. If there was no radar (at a minimum bar dar to replicate teletpry info
on enemy sigthings) then you could kiss good bye any though of having at player
base in the WWI arena. There's be a grand total of maybe three players who
want to spend all day or night upping from an airfield, flying aimlessly around at
90mph with the hope of running into the other one or two enemy contacts.
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Semaphore and hand signals.
Seriously. If there was no radar (at a minimum bar dar to replicate teletpry info
on enemy sigthings) then you could kiss good bye any though of having at player
base in the WWI arena. There's be a grand total of maybe three players who
want to spend all day or night upping from an airfield, flying aimlessly around at
90mph with the hope of running into the other one or two enemy contacts.
Dar bar yes, icons no you will see the furball but what about that con low on the water to your left do you see him that's what makes it fun. I love the no icons wish the MA was that way with DarBars of course. Without Dars you wouldn't know where to go for the fight. Diving on a target turning your engine off at 2k or climbing up on your target and him looking around not knowing where you are more realistic and funner for me. I understand both sides of the argument about the newer guys getting frustrated but why we couldn't separate the new from the advanced with two diff. arena's for the main choice your poison. I was having a blast in the AvA with WWII planes can't wait for them to come back.
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Diving on a target turning your engine off at 2k or climbing up on your target and him looking around not knowing where you are more realistic and funner for me.
Really, the only argument about no icons and dar is the above usually under the cover of the words fun, fight, realistic, etc. You are just describing an easier way to cherry pick some one. No fight, no fun (for the other guy), no realism. In real life he would have friends around that would warn him, and I don;t think you would dare turn your engine off so that he would not hear you coming. All every one is looking is an easy way to kill someone and then hide and use the words fun, realism and fight to cover their true intent. The AvA is willing to accommodate all that as long as some people show up.
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Really, the only argument about no icons and dar is the above usually under the cover of the words fun, fight, realistic, etc. You are just describing an easier way to cherry pick some one. No fight, no fun (for the other guy), no realism. In real life he would have friends around that would warn him, and I don;t think you would dare turn your engine off so that he would not hear you coming. All every one is looking is an easy way to kill someone and then hide and use the words fun, realism and fight to cover their true intent. The AvA is willing to accommodate all that as long as some people show up.
You know me better then most and I love a good fight. It's not all about cherry picking it's about being realistic blending in with the sun the terrain and when your in a fight not looking for the red in the sky but maybe even losing the person your fighting and having to correct and take a different flight path to avoid getting shot down. Red icons is easy mode that's all I'm saying SA is at the up most importance and no I've never turned to engine off to camouflage my engine don't need to.
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You know me better then most and I love a good fight. It's not all about cherry picking it's about being realistic blending in with the sun the terrain and when your in a fight not looking for the red in the sky but maybe even losing the person your fighting and having to correct and take a different flight path to avoid getting shot down. Red icons is easy mode that's all I'm saying SA is at the up most importance and no I've never turned to engine off to camouflage my engine don't need to.
I am not saying you need to and I know you can fight, but you did say turn the engine off at 2K or climb up to a guy that can't see you. I am talking in general and using your post to make a point. What you described in the first post is only referring to getting an easy kill and getting out. It is what most describe when they talk about fun with no dar and icons. Your second post is telling a different story. Don't get me wrong, I am just describing what I don;t like about it. That does not mean one way is better than another or that you are wrong. But, I don;t like it and this is why. The only one benefiting from it is the cherry picker (in my opinion).
SA is impossible with a conveyor belt of of cons coming in. Most will die, but eventually, someone manages to sneak in. Not because he did something right or better, but he got lucky and blended in with the trees or water etc.
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I agree with the reading on my first post and your interpretation of what I said. I rarely have the alt. to engage a lower con :lol so I should have said what I really like about the no icons. I see your point also the cherry picker will have the biggest advantage but the better pilot also has a better chance of getting home also, works both ways. Curious to see the AvA expanding in numbers and the leaders broadening the objectives, I have high hopes for this Arena.
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Dar bar yes,
You realize a sector is 25 mi square, right? At 90mph it will take 16+ minutes to cross it 1-way... Let alone zig-zag back and forth looking for the next guy who's orbitng somewhere in this grid... Plus if you're searching north and he drifts south into the next sector, forget about catching up to him.
Food for thuoght.
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You realize a sector is 25 mi square, right? At 90mph it will take 16+ minutes to cross it 1-way... Let alone zig-zag back and forth looking for the next guy who's orbitng somewhere in this grid... Plus if you're searching north and he drifts south into the next sector, forget about catching up to him.
Food for thuoght.
Generally speaking, bases are much closer together on AvA maps than they are on MA maps. For WWI we've been using the Ardennes map - the bases are plentiful, generally within the same sector, and planes are enabled at all bases (including vehicle bases). Finding the fight hasn't been a problem, even when there are only a few people logged on.
- oldman
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You realize a sector is 25 mi square, right? At 90mph it will take 16+ minutes to cross it 1-way... Let alone zig-zag back and forth looking for the next guy who's orbitng somewhere in this grid... Plus if you're searching north and he drifts south into the next sector, forget about catching up to him.
Food for thuoght.
WWI isn't going to be in the AvA forever so were not talking about 90mph planes. Multiply 90 by 3 and divide 16 by 3 and you got 5 min. big difference. But I do see your point if there isn't that many people on, it would make it tough and un-enjoyable. It's all according on what birds are in the air to the settings ex. late war you could do no icons under 5k altitude above 5k you have icons, I'm just throwing out ideas but throwing in a little spice in the game isn't a bad thing as long as it is not overboard.
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Since when did WWi planes have comms?
They had comms...you just had to be close enough for them to work...for instance if you looked at a fellow pilot and saw this :aok everything was good.
Get close to an enemy and see this :neener: and he was daring you.
Sneak up on an enemy and start firing and you would see this :O , get a few good shots in and he would see this :angel:
You knew you were in trouble when your flight leader was doing this :headscratch:
And you knew when a newbie pilot was going to turn tail because you would see this :O :uhoh :eek: :bolt:
If you got shot down your flight leader would be doing this :furious and your enemy would be doing this :rofl
If you saw a pilot doing this :joystick: he was having trouble
Very easy communications and little room for interpretation.
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For me personally, It's not about what makes it easier or more difficult, or even about what is accurately more realistic.
It's about immersion and what makes it appear more realistic.
There seems to be a market for that sort of immersive, realistic (appearing) flavor.
I think the best combo is to keep radar, keep short distance friendly icons, but turn off enemy icons.
With so many other choices and the limited market for AvA, it may be a good idea to offer a distinctly different experience and this might be the way to tap into that player base.
Not everyone will like it, but they certainly have other choices.
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Very good point some will like it some want and yes I like it the way it is now and according to the forum posts some guys that have been here for many years have said they are having so much fun in there.
For me personally, It's not about what makes it easier or more difficult, or even about what is accurately more realistic.
It's about immersion and what makes it appear more realistic.
There seems to be a market for that sort of immersive, realistic (appearing) flavor.
I think the best combo is to keep radar, keep short distance friendly icons, but turn off enemy icons.
With so many other choices and the limited market for AvA, it may be a good idea to offer a distinctly different experience and this might be the way to tap into that player base.
Not everyone will like it, but they certainly have other choices.
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Had a blast in there last night. :aok
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I'm with horble. Missed a fun night if you were not there
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Had a blast in there last night. :aok
Yeah, you did. "blasting" me about a dozen times LOL. :salute
jimson
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Question, no icons... is kill shot enabled or not?
think i will try it out though. tired of the MA hoard (in it or against it)
froger
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Question, no icons... is kill shot enabled or not?
think i will try it out though. tired of the MA hoard (in it or against it)
froger
Killshooter is on. No friendly fire problems, you can still tell friend from enemy up close because short range friendly icons are still enabled. It's just more of a challenge to track the enemy.
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ill give it a try,
sounds like a new challenge to me :aok
froger
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Look it's a computer game, all your doing with no icons is giving the guy with the better equipment an advantage over the guy who doesn't have it or can't aford it. You also exclude older guys like myself whose eyesight is not as good as it used to be. Until you can duplicate what the human eye can see in real life on the computer (and we are getting closer to that) turning off icons is just making the game easier for some and harder for other with no real skill involved. I doubt the AVA will grow much if it is just an elitest arena for guys with the top end equipment.
Just MHO.
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Look it's a computer game, all your doing with no icons is giving the guy with the better equipment an advantage over the guy who doesn't have it or can't aford it. You also exclude older guys like myself whose eyesight is not as good as it used to be. Until you can duplicate what the human eye can see in real life on the computer (and we are getting closer to that) turning off icons is just making the game easier for some and harder for other with no real skill involved. I doubt the AVA will grow much if it is just an elitest arena for guys with the top end equipment.Just MHO.
I don't see how the guy with better equipment plays any factor with eny icons being off. And if you play with icons on, you don't need any help seeing these planes. If you shoot down the ones with icons, they look the same just no red. Someone with 20/100 eyesight can see these cons. It does increase the possibility of losing a con you are 1v1ing.
I doubt the AVA will grow much if it is just an elitest arena for guys with the top end equipment.Just MHO.
Top equipment don't make the pilot ACM does. Put a $20 dollar Saitek 290pro in the hands of the top sticks and they'd still hand everyone's butt to them, don't understand your logic with any of these statements.
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Sour grapes TnDep, with the cost of 23" monitors at under 200$ just about anyone who really wants one can have one.
As tight as my budget is, and its incredibly tight, I managed to upgrade last fall.
So it isn't a matter of elitism at all. Rather its back on you. Are you willing to spend 200$ to get the most out of your addiction or are you not?
Either way, no one is forcing you to fly the AvA with no enemy icons.
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Hey I know what would make it better. Turn off Kill Shooter and turn off friendly collisions. Just think you favorite squadie ending up in your kills column. Boy I bet that would make everyone happy. :devil
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Look it's a computer game, all your doing with no icons is giving the guy with the better equipment an advantage over the guy who doesn't have it or can't aford it. You also exclude older guys like myself whose eyesight is not as good as it used to be. Until you can duplicate what the human eye can see in real life on the computer (and we are getting closer to that) turning off icons is just making the game easier for some and harder for other with no real skill involved. I doubt the AVA will grow much if it is just an elitest arena for guys with the top end equipment.
Just MHO.
Hi Boxboy from a fellow Tucsonan!
Have you tried the arena with no icons?
If not you should, it's not as difficult as you think, and it adds something to the game that makes it more fun to me anyway.
I'm 45 and my eyes aren't what they used to be.
The AvA wasn't growing before and when they turned the icons off, it started growing big time.
Of course the WW1 launch took away some momentum, but read the AvA forum and get the reaction from people who tried it.
The majority really liked it. AvA needs to find a market and this might be it.
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"Top equipment don't make the pilot ACM does."
Give "Ace #1" a hoopety twist stick and put them up against "Ace #2" who
has pedals, throttles & stick and I'll put my money on the guy with the hotas
and pedals all day long.
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Hey I know what would make it better. Turn off Kill Shooter and turn off friendly collisions. Just think you favorite squadie ending up in your kills column. Boy I bet that would make everyone happy. :devil
on occation we turn off friendly icons too, that gets really wild. just depends on who's in the arena at the time. no enemy icons teaches people to communicate, even with people not in your squad. its a lot of fun. try it before judging. if its not your cup of tea, thats fine too. the guys that communicate the best, have better kill ratios. it boils down to immersion and fun. if you like either one of these, you'll have a great time. if you're in it for the points. might as well stay in the MA's. See ya soon!
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"Top equipment don't make the pilot ACM does."
Give "Ace #1" a hoopety twist stick and put them up against "Ace #2" who
has pedals, throttles & stick and I'll put my money on the guy with the hotas
and pedals all day long.
Since I have had pedals for about 6 months now I can honestly give an opinion on the 2. To me I was suprised that it didnt give me an upper hand advantage besides that I don't have to worry about the slightiest input when pulling for a shot. It doesnt help you get on the other person's 6 any better then a twisty stick and actually you can be smooth and consistant both ways. On a twisty stick you can set a deadband where you don't have the initial jumping. You might be right but I'm pulling for the twisty :D
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Guys this sim has a long "DOT" range you can see a dot from way out there. no icons in this sim is much easier than in other sims.
Give it a chance.
with the right Map and Plane set up you will love it. LISTEN ITS ONLY ONE ARENA DONT FLY THERE IF YOU DONT LIKE IT. its just a choice for players that realise its a blast.
No icons make this sim a totally new game if your boared with the sim try a no icon environment and join the movement.
If your not interested then don't fly there .Other wise get out of the way of those that do.
It doesn't require better equipment at all Most fear the no icon settings because they don't give it a try.
most that try it get hooked.
Its just plane fun way more that the flock of seagulls crying mine mine mine from 5.5 k out as they all zoom in on a icon. The No icon environment is much more of a connoisseurs set up its not like the current air quake as seen in the MA.
Both set ups have there virtues. Icons are great for guys learning how to fly a sim. With out them at the start many would just give up...
But at some point the icon thing gets old, and the AvA is set up for those that want a new Challenge.
Its fun its allot more immerse and give a m,much higher Laval of satisfaction try it you will like it......
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I've had pedals for many years. After ditching hoopty twist sticks.
If you have pedals and cannot perform better acm than someone with a hoopty-twisty stick
then you either have the pedals set up wrong (deadband is too much or you have a bad
calibration) or you just haven't learned how to do good barrel rolls with them etc.
Someone with pedals can use them to out roll someone with a hoopty-twist stick all day
long. Pedals control the Z axis seperately and do not effect the x and y axis at all. Those
axis only change by the movement of the two hands on the throttle or stick.
By using the feet for peds and the two hands for the stick, throttle and the myriad of buttons
to control the flaps and wep poor ol' Mr Hoopty-twisty stick cannot possibly keep up.
Because anything Mr Hoopty-twisty stick user does with his one hand effects ALL three of his
sticks axis. Should the deadbands be set so that it takes more movement of the Z axis to
change the rudders then Mr Hoopty twist stick has neutered his sticks sensativity - unlike
Mr pedals user - and cannot roll his craft as crisply as Mr Pedals user can. Let alone use flaps,
throttle and wep too in order to cause an over-shoot or go into yo-yo after the barrel roll.
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Hi Boxboy from a fellow Tucsonan!
Have you tried the arena with no icons?
Heheh I have been playing these games since around 1987, so yes I have tried no icon setups, and no amount of smuggness will convince me that a guy with a 24" monitor doesn't have the spotting edge over the guy with a 19", also better graphics cards that allow a player to turn everything on and still have a good frame rate etc etc.
The AvA was orignially setup to pit historic plances vs one another, this no icon thing is just the lastest rage it has also hit FSO and at 67 I just don't see as well as I once did and need the icon aid to make the game playable for me, I have no problem if the majority wants no icons I just won't be playing there and if the game goes no icons totally I will be unable to play and will have find some where else to spent my 15 bucks.
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Heheh I have been playing these games since around 1987, so yes I have tried no icon setups, and no amount of smuggness will convince me that a guy with a 24" monitor doesn't have the spotting edge over the guy with a 19", also better graphics cards that allow a player to turn everything on and still have a good frame rate etc etc.
Have you tried no enemy icons in AH? And, I can tell you from experience that a 19inch widescreen using 1440x900 native resolution has a slightly larger pixel rendering than a 24inch widescreen running 1980x1080 native resolution...so those dots you don't think you can see on that 19inch monitor are actually bigger than the ones on the 24inch...the graphics card argument doesn't hold water either since using a crappy video card with either a 19 inch or 24 inch monitor, you are going to have to reduce the maximum resolution to something the video card can handle...like 1024x768 which means both the video card and monitor are going to render those dots bigger than the high end video card with with either monitor...the only differences will come from what graphics settings you have in the game that work with your video card...
There aren't many spring chickens with perfect vision around AH...especially in the AvA...unless you are classified as legally blind and cannot wear any type of vision correction (which means you probably shouldn't be playing AH on anything smaller than a 50 inch screen)...you won't have a problem finding other planes in the no enemy icon environment.
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I as totally familiar with your position Gyrene, and trying to discount anything I say because you view it as a threat to your position is silly. We just don't agree on this issue and probably never will I can except that and YES I have tried no icons in AH and I don't care for it, no amount of "brow beating" is going to make me like it better.
Telling folks what holds water or not and treating them like they know nothing about computers will go along way to make them want to see your point :rofl
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Heheh I have been playing these games since around 1987, so yes I have tried no icon setups, and no amount of smuggness will convince me that a guy with a 24" monitor doesn't have the spotting edge over the guy with a 19", also better graphics cards that allow a player to turn everything on and still have a good frame rate etc etc.
The AvA was orignially setup to pit historic plances vs one another, this no icon thing is just the lastest rage it has also hit FSO and at 67 I just don't see as well as I once did and need the icon aid to make the game playable for me, I have no problem if the majority wants no icons I just won't be playing there and if the game goes no icons totally I will be unable to play and will have find some where else to spent my 15 bucks.
Never fear The game will never not ever go o icons totally. That would never happen. First off it wouldn't be fair to those like your are having eye site issues also newer pilots learning icons are necessary. I think allowing an alternate arena so pepole could at least have a choice of how and were the wish to fly is ok diversity is a good thing. :cheers:
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I as totally familiar with your position Gyrene, and trying to discount anything I say because you view it as a threat to your position is silly. We just don't agree on this issue and probably never will I can except that and YES I have tried no icons in AH and I don't care for it, no amount of "brow beating" is going to make me like it better.
Telling folks what holds water or not and treating them like they know nothing about computers will go along way to make them want to see your point :rofl
:headscratch: browbeating...discounting what you say? I just call it like I see it Boxboy...as in stating fact...nothing I said was false nor demeaning...but just so justify your rebuttal here is a demeaning reply: if you knew something about computers you wouldn't have used the monitor or video card argument.
It is indeed your choice...I respect that...and I can understand your reasoning...however I feel compelled to point out what may not have been obvious in the beginning...you would have been better served just stating your personal preference based on your own personal experience, which is indisputable rather than your "better equipment" opening argument.
Look it's a computer game, all your doing with no icons is giving the guy with the better equipment an advantage over the guy who doesn't have it or can't aford it.
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Well I see we also differ on computer equipment and its ability, your stating something as fact doesn't make it so Gyrene much as you would like to make it that way. You can state till the cows come home that higher rez makes it more diffcult but if that is so why are people so hep to get higher rez??? Definition perhaps? Clearer shapes? the list goes on. Make your points but please don't tell me how I am "better served", my opinion is as good as yours and it is just that MY opinion.
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Never fear The game will never not ever go o icons totally. That would never happen. First off it wouldn't be fair to those like your are having eye site issues also newer pilots learning icons are necessary. I think allowing an alternate arena so pepole could at least have a choice of how and were the wish to fly is ok diversity is a good thing. :cheers:
Your fallacy is in assuming "no icons" is an ideal state, one worth aspiring to.
You maintian an opinion it is a crutch, a gimick for the lesser skilled, the "beginners" -- this is also false. I do support your right to ask for it, but I will disagree with you when you phrase it in these ways.
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hehehe - just stopped by for a midafternoon break and sure enuff some of ya at it hammer n' tong :lol
IMHO both of you, Gyrene/Boxboy, are right to a degree - you're just not seeing the other side
My system saw a big benefit from Gyrne's position about graphics - I had to step my resolution WAY down in order to play the game and I saw a decidedly signifigant increase in dot size - making it easier to spot enemas (and yes - i do spell enemies in AH like this) at a greater distance. It was Gyrene personally who pointed me there (thank you very much sir)
Likewise I had a major increase in kills some years ago (Boxboy's position) when I was able to afford a 17" screen to replace my 15"er(about a 35% increase in kills) What happened was that all those enemas at a distance quit being just a roundish blob and took on the shape of wings/tail/pointy front end - THIS was hugely important in deciding what ACM to go to next. Now I find on my 19" I can see enema orientation a long way out beyond what I could before.
NO!! - it' a breath mint!! NO it's a candy mint!!
YER both right dudes. :rofl
SO CHILL >>>> filled whipped cream cans at 3 feet - SHOOT IT OUT!!
Now lick each other off and shake hands!! :devil
....cheers eh!
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:rofl it's all in the perspective :O
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Well I see we also differ on computer equipment and its ability, your stating something as fact doesn't make it so Gyrene much as you would like to make it that way. You can state till the cows come home that higher rez makes it more diffcult but if that is so why are people so hep to get higher rez??? Definition perhaps? Clearer shapes? the list goes on. Make your points but please don't tell me how I am "better served", my opinion is as good as yours and it is just that MY opinion.
Again sir...merely stating fact...not once did I mention one has an advantage over the other or one is more difficult than the other...that is and was you making the assertions.
Since you asked...high resolution monitors are in demand mainly for smoother picture/graphics rendering...more dots per square inch means the dots are smaller and that creates a smoother picture...it is akin to the difference between a picture from a 3 megapixel camera vs a 12 megapixel camera...that 3 megapixel camera would render a grainy photo in 8x10 but not bad at 3x5 where the 12 megapixel camera would render very nice pictures all the way up to poster size before it gets grainy.
Here's my purse, now it's you're turn to swing it.
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Your fallacy is in assuming "no icons" is an ideal state, one worth aspiring to.
You maintian an opinion it is a crutch, a gimick for the lesser skilled, the "beginners" -- this is also false. I do support your right to ask for it, but I will disagree with you when you phrase it in these ways.
I never will understand why so many people spend so much time debating an arena 99% don't fly in.
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and if those who spent as much time they did complaining about the same said arena, it'll be 50-100 pilots all day, all night. :bolt:
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I never will understand why so many people spend so much time debating an arena 99% don't fly in.
:lol Maybe if what they don;t like about it went away, they would be flying in it? I know, I know, crazy talk :lol
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had a blast in there last night. New setup now. join the fun folks. its different. decide for yourself if its for you or not. its not for everyone, but some might like it. if you find me in there, feel free to take me on! im in there most night.
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:lol Maybe if what they don;t like about it went away, they would be flying in it? I know, I know, crazy talk :lol
Proven time and again to be false. They just find another reason not to like it.
- oldman
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You can't please all the people all the time, and if you try too you don't please any of the people.
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:lol Maybe if what they don;t like about it went away, they would be flying in it? I know, I know, crazy talk :lol
Oh do fill me in on what "they" want.
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The part about no icons is that, if there isn't an icon on the plane, it isn't a friendly. :lol
:lol Maybe if what they don;t like about it went away, they would be flying in it? I know, I know, crazy talk :lol
I'm interested as well.
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Here you go. Happy now?
(http://www.phx411.com/food/reviewed/images/ihop.jpg)
:rofl
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Just so you know, we did try no icons at all, there was only 1 complaint about it. it was a blast, but it was done in the midway map and there were only japanese and navy planes and one base, so it wasnt too hard to figure out who the enemy was. the hard part was trying to check 6 squaddies because you couldnt identify who was who.
no icons might be done periodically, but NOT on a permanent basis.
the No Enemy Icons on the other hand is working out great. people are having fun with it and thats all that counts. when that changes, the AVA will change with it.
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Oh do fill me in on what "they" want.
Your attitude for one thing :lol.
I know what I don't like about it so no need for your sarcasm. Did you ever think that if people liked what was there it would be the MA that was empty and the AvA full? On the other hand, if you found a set up that brings people in then great. That does not mean I will or will not like it, but I will know better than you either way.
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"Did you ever think that if people liked what was there it would be the MA that"
was empty and the AvA full? "
If I turned Legal Seafood (restaurant) into a Burger King more people would
eat there.
The MA being "fuller" is only testament that more people have bland taste and
are simple lemmings. When asked most will say that "they'd fly in arena xxx
but it doesn't have plane YYYY with the hizooka cannons" or "my squat doesn't
fly there so I don't"
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"Did you ever think that if people liked what was there it would be the MA that"
was empty and the AvA full? "
If I turned Legal Seafood (restaurant) into a Burger King more people would
eat there.
The MA being "fuller" is only testament that more people have bland taste and
are simple lemmings. When asked most will say that "they'd fly in arena xxx
but it doesn't have plane YYYY with the hizooka cannons" or "my squat doesn't
fly there so I don't"
Maybe true, but that is what they like.
So, every one is blah except the few that visit the AvA ehh? :lol You realize only a small percentage visits the forums and an even smaller has ever responded to that question? So small, that AvA posts need to be in this forum instead of the AvA forum.
Actually, "most" have not responded with what you said.
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Dedalos, you forgot to mention there are a large number who do not even know there are forums...still Westy is right in his assessment...subject posts like this one and the HO postings are testament to the fact that "lemming" is easier than standing outside of the "accepted norms".
But someone has to do it.
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Heheh it has been my experience that whenever one side of a debate has to resort to "name calling" (airquake, lemmings, idiots, run of the mill etc etc) they feel that they are losing the debate. The facts are that almost EVERY combat flight sim I have ever played has or had some type of icon to identify the enemy, why??? One would be led to believe by the propents of no icons that it is the "superior" method of game play but yet most, if not all, game producers seem to disagree.
Maybe the lemming dollars out number the "elite" dollars????
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the No Enemy Icons on the other hand is working out great. people are having fun with it and thats all that counts. when that changes, the AVA will change with it.
Glad some like it, let me know via the AvsA forum when it finally goes back to having at least "short icon" range......so I can come back and enjoy the one Arena I only cared about outside of SEA and TA .....
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Your attitude for one thing :lol.
I know what I don't like about it so no need for your sarcasm. Did you ever think that if people liked what was there it would be the MA that was empty and the AvA full? On the other hand, if you found a set up that brings people in then great. That does not mean I will or will not like it, but I will know better than you either way.
I was not aware you had carte blanche on sarcasm, I'll make a note of your displeasure. I'm willing to bet no matter the set up or atmosphere of the AvA you would feel the need to complain. Comparing MA numbers vs the AvA is stupid and weak on your part. Everyone knows why there are more people in the MA's then any other arena. You get to fly what you want when you want. What's the big mystery there dedalos? I'm pretty sure the majority of AvA regulars over the years never cared to or expected to have MA numbers. It's was just another option on the menu. And if you're so enlightened why don't you step in and run the AvA?
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OK, folks, let's move along now, nothing to see here.
- oldman
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lol Oldman looking forward to seeing all the guys next week, looks like a fun set-up
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I was not aware you had carte blanche on sarcasm, I'll make a note of your displeasure. I'm willing to bet no matter the set up or atmosphere of the AvA you would feel the need to complain. Comparing MA numbers vs the AvA is stupid and weak on your part. Everyone knows why there are more people in the MA's then any other arena. You get to fly what you want when you want. What's the big mystery there dedalos? I'm pretty sure the majority of AvA regulars over the years never cared to or expected to have MA numbers. It's was just another option on the menu. And if you're so enlightened why don't you step in and run the AvA?
See what I mean by attitude? Any disagreement what so ever and the gloves come off lol. Maybe if you listened to your customers you would have a few coming in there all the time like they used to.
As far as running the AvA, I know I don;t have the time or the ability. Maybe others should realize their limitations also?
Now, lets move this thread to the AvA forum so it dies off lol
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Please do start a new thread so I can help you with your misconceptions.
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Please do start a new thread so I can help you with your misconceptions.
ohhh comon, you can do better than that :lol
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You're gonna try the AvA tonight right Dedalos? A bunch of us will be in there around 9-ish Central time...hopefully earlier.
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You're gonna try the AvA tonight right Dedalos? A bunch of us will be in there around 9-ish Central time...hopefully earlier.
If work allows it and nothing else going on, I will.
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See what I mean by attitude? Any disagreement what so ever and the gloves come off lol. Maybe if you listened to your customers you would have a few coming in there all the time like they used to.
You take shots at the AvA every chance you get and then complain about someone daring to give you attitude? Are there certain rules when engaging you in a disagreements I'm not aware of? I get you displeasure with the AvA. It's soured too many people for too long and it may indeed be a lost cause. However a lot of the nonsense we endured/took part in just isn't there and has not been for months. Has it turned a corner? No clue, seems that way but I've been fooled before. What I do know is there are people, new faces, who have taken an interest in the place. The numbers are still low to none but the few times I have got to fly in there lately It's been fun. And this goes back to why "the gloves have come off" or however you want to look at it. If they have something going what is to you or any of the other griefers who throw there 2 cents in AvA threads? If it's bringing a group of guys in there who are enjoying whatever the set ups are then so be it. If it's not for you then why feel the need to try and undermine the thing? I could care less about KOTH for a few reason but I don't feel the need to interject everytime I see a KOTH post in here.
And you comment about not listening to what the customers want is complete bs. That's one thing the AvA Staff may have done too much of. Trying to please everyone with rolling plane sets, war scenarios, "Fightertown" ,historical, non historical,alternate history's, free cake, etc. The guys on the Staff are nothing but receptive to input.
And if your issue is with me, I am only a reserve Staffer and I don't have much to do with the set ups other than some input now and again. Oldman, Soda, Jaeger, Fork, and Fudgums do the heavy lifting.
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You take shots at the AvA every chance you get and then complain about someone daring to give you attitude? Are there certain rules when engaging you in a disagreements I'm not aware of? I get you displeasure with the AvA. It's soured too many people for too long and it may indeed be a lost cause. However a lot of the nonsense we endured/took part in just isn't there and has not been for months. Has it turned a corner? No clue, seems that way but I've been fooled before. What I do know is there are people, new faces, who have taken an interest in the place. The numbers are still low to none but the few times I have got to fly in there lately It's been fun. And this goes back to why "the gloves have come off" or however you want to look at it. If they have something going what is to you or any of the other griefers who throw there 2 cents in AvA threads? If it's bringing a group of guys in there who are enjoying whatever the set ups are then so be it. If it's not for you then why feel the need to try and undermine the thing? I could care less about KOTH for a few reason but I don't feel the need to interject everytime I see a KOTH post in here.
And you comment about not listening to what the customers want is complete bs. That's one thing the AvA Staff may have done too much of. Trying to please everyone with rolling plane sets, war scenarios, "Fightertown" ,historical, non historical,alternate history's, free cake, etc. The guys on the Staff are nothing but receptive to input.
And if your issue is with me, I am only a reserve Staffer and I don't have much to do with the set ups other than some input now and again. Oldman, Soda, Jaeger, Fork, and Fudgums do the heavy lifting.
lol, so you are saying that because a few new faces are there now I have to like it? Maybe it is fun for them, that does not mean that I cannot post what I don;t like about it. I post what I don;t like about the MA, EW, WWI, the DA, KOTH also. That is how it works. If you don;t like something you make it known and maybe someone agrees and fixes it or don;t agree and does nothing about it. The difference with the AvA is that if you dislike something about it you are called names and your opinion is discarded. However, the other arenas have people in them.
The goal of the AvA should not be to do what ever it takes to bring a few new faces in at any cost. This is what that place has become. Again, my opinion only and if what you guys are doing is working for you, keep at it.
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I never once implied you had to like what's going on there, can't post an opinion, or have I called you names dedalos. (not in this thread :D) I just don't get going out of your way to try and undermine something you do not want to be involved in. And I 100% agree that the goal should not be to do whatever it takes to get numbers.
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I never once implied you had to like what's going on there, can't post an opinion, or have I called you names dedalos. (not in this thread :D) I just don't get going out of your way to try and undermine something you do not want to be involved in. And I 100% agree that the goal should not be to do whatever it takes to get numbers.
I don;t see how I undermine anything by expressing my opinion. You really think the people that like it will stop liking it because I said I don't? I am not going out of my way at all. The AvA used to be a good place (in my opinion) and I would like it back. The line to follow in AH in general in "If you don;t like something in the game, shut up! Only posts saying WTG! are allowed". (not saying you said that). I just don;t buy in to it. If I don;t like something I ll tell you. But I seriously don;t think I am influencing anyone that likes the AvA to stop liking it.
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I guess I'm just not getting what it is specifically that people don't like about it other than every possible idea that is tried, the people who run it, the people who used to play there etc.
Although most people's intentions are good, without making specific points and being constructive, one can appear to simply be crapping all over something just for the sake of crapping all over something.
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I guess I'm just not getting what it is specifically that people don't like about it other than every possible idea that is tried, the people who run it, the people who used to play there etc.
Although most people's intentions are good, without making specific points and being constructive, one can appear to simply be crapping all over something just for the sake of crapping all over something.
Give it time young one ;)
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Give it time young one ;)
LOL, probably got you lapped by 10-15 years.
I'll be sure to stay on guard against "AvA problems."
:salute
jimson
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LOL, probably got you lapped by 10-15 years.
I'll be sure to stay on guard against "AvA problems."
:salute
jimson
:P
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Since the WW1 patch Ive only flown a couple times. Just more important stuff going on atm. As for the icon issue, I prefer icons. I have a squaddie and he just got a huge moniter. He says he now understands why the "go-no-icon" is pushing for it. It makes the difference of seeing a speck or seeing the plane. I have a small moniter so I have no interest in it.
I come here to play, I dont want to strain my eyes anymore than I have to. I see what Ded is saying about the ability to sneak around more without icons. Anything that allows more sneaking Im against.
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Well Filth, although there are occasionally people who try to "sneak around" it doesn't work very well if the dot dar is set where it is right now...1000 feet. We have all stated there are obvious limitations...and few of us old guys have perfect vision. Don't be so quick to discount it if you haven't even given it a try...don't be so quick to post your displeasure of past events, because believe it or not even with the new faces around, your opinion does open the door for them to be suspicious and ready to adopt your opinions regardless of what happens...you would be surprised at how often that occurs.
Just from my experiences in the AvA, with the no enemy icon setting and friendlies set to less than 3k...people are more willing to look for a fight and less prone to avoid it...simply due to the fact that every dot is a potential enemy...and if it turns out to be a friendly, that makes it better for you when you do find someone to shoot at. Contrary to the belief that people are more cautious...it has been more aggressive since this new trend started...the ones who are overly cautious get hunted down. Yes you can get picked...yes you might get HO'd...yes it is more difficult to maintain SA...yes you may have to use some settings that you never use in the MA's...but that is part of the challenge and the thrill.
Look at it as something new to try out...you might actually like it.
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Well Filth, although there are occasionally people who try to "sneak around" it doesn't work very well if the dot dar is set where it is right now...1000 feet.
Realy? you have the map/dar open while in a 3 on 1?
Just from my experiences in the AvA, with the no enemy icon setting and friendlies set to less than 3k...people are more willing to look for a fight and less prone to avoid it...simply due to the fact that every dot is a potential enemy...and if it turns out to be a friendly, that makes it better for you when you do find someone to shoot at.
Yep, easier to gang someone after the frustration of chasing friendlies.
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hey dedalos, have you flown in there recently?? like within the last week or so?
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hey dedalos, have you flown in there recently?? like within the last week or so?
If I'm using the scores search function correctly, Dedalos has not flown in the AvA during the month of March. As near as I can tell, the no-icons settings have been in place only since the evening of March 7.
Dudes. Flying in a no-icons environment surprised me, and as I've mentioned before, I was once very much opposed to the concept. My talent is such that I am unsuitable for high rank, so I fly for the enjoyment of the fights. If I like it, it's at least a suggestion that you might enjoy trying it before you trash the idea.
- oldman
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Realy? you have the map/dar open while in a 3 on 1?
Yep, easier to gang someone after the frustration of chasing friendlies.
Wow...you really are all about negativity...not trying to be totally offensive but, I'm surprised you find enjoyment out of anything more challenging than blowing your nose...if arcade action in the DA is all you can handle just say so...it's not a big deal.
Yes I have had the map open in a 3 on 1...and I was the 1...I usually find myself out numbered regardless of which arena I'm in...and it's a lot more fun than whining about getting picked, HO'd, ganged, or who did what to whom and how.
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:aok Gyrene81.
That's exactly why I stopped replying to his posts. They're pointless
and imo meant to be simply argumentative for the sake of it.
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If I'm using the scores search function correctly, Dedalos has not flown in the AvA during the month of March. As near as I can tell, the no-icons settings have been in place only since the evening of March 7.
Hmm, is that supposed to mean something? You think in 6 or more years I've never flown with no icons?
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Wow...you really are all about negativity...not trying to be totally offensive but, I'm surprised you find enjoyment out of anything more challenging than blowing your nose...if arcade action in the DA is all you can handle just say so...it's not a big deal.
Yes I have had the map open in a 3 on 1...and I was the 1...I usually find myself out numbered regardless of which arena I'm in...and it's a lot more fun than whining about getting picked, HO'd, ganged, or who did what to whom and how.
Challenging? You just described how frustrating it can be to find the bud guys and how good it is to fight them with company lol.
The real problem here is that you guys cannot accept that someone does not like it and you have to keep posting trying to convince your self, me, the others (don;t really know) that I am wrong for not liking it. Failure to convince me leads to insults etc. Just accept it and move on. As I said before, if you like it have a party in there. I don;t have to agree with it.
Westy, that goes for you too. Its funny how if someone does not agree with you guys then something is up with him or he has an agenda. It is called a different opinion. I did try it when the AvA Mondays started. Despite what was being posted here, all I found was gang, ho, and run and every one hugging the ground so their icon would not show. I can imagine with no icons at all. So, why bother with it? The other arenas provide the same but give me a better chance to fight them off.
BTW, in 6 years I have not seen you in there either so what does it mean that I have not been there in the last two weeks? Based on my posts I would not expect me to be there lol
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Selected Dedalos quotes full of constructive ideas and suggestions:
Yeah, the crutch of seeing the enemy is killing this game. Turn radar off too, it makes it hard to sneak up people undetected and then escape. Being seen could lead to a fight
Really, the only argument about no icons and dar is the above usually under the cover of the words fun, fight, realistic, etc. You are just describing an easier way to cherry pick some one. No fight, no fun (for the other guy), no realism.
All every one is looking is an easy way to kill someone and then hide and use the words fun, realism and fight to cover their true intent. The AvA is willing to accommodate all that as long as some people show up.
Yep, easier to gang someone after the frustration of chasing friendlies.
Realy? you have the map/dar open while in a 3 on 1?
Despite what was being posted here, all I found was gang, ho, and run and every one hugging the ground so their icon would not show.
Now, lets move this thread to the AvA forum so it dies off lol
Pay particular attention to the last one.
Now, maybe he is just trying to help. Maybe he isn't just getting a charge out of whizzing all over something. Maybe he doesn't have an axe to grind against particular AvA staffers. Maybe he isn't actually rooting for the arenas failure. Maybe he isn't trying to drive others away from trying the arena.
Maybe this is his way of saying "It's not for me, but good luck."
You can read these other threads and decide who is worth listening to.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,284901.30.html
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,280212.0.html
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,280826.0.html
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Challenging? You just described how frustrating it can be to find the bud guys and how good it is to fight them with company lol.
Like I said...I'm already convinced that it's a better experience than the LW arenas...but then I don't fall under this definition:
b : a deep chronic sense or state of insecurity and dissatisfaction arising from unresolved problems or unfulfilled needs
I'll see the rest of you guys in the AvA every chance I get... :aok
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Now, maybe he is just trying to help. Maybe he isn't just getting a charge out of whizzing all over something. Maybe he doesn't have an axe to grind against particular AvA staffers. Maybe he isn't actually rooting for the arenas failure. Maybe he isn't trying to drive others away from trying the arena.
Maybe he remembers how it used to be, when arena was populated by sticks who were looking for a fight, not absolute realism.
Arena was relatively crowded, lots of fighting, balanced plane sets, lots of fun (for majority). Then for some weird reason things changed.
Maybe he's out of line.
Maybe not.
And maybe you should think before typing loads of crap...
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I really want to waste 70% of my GAMETIME trying to find a bad guy.
Sure get rid of icons, lose radar, lose customers...............
This is a game right? It's all about having fun right? I have a few comedians on Channel, but all the same they ain't that fun.
Not going to happen.
And presently, in WWI..... Axis has an incredible advantage.
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I was going to enjoy the AvA tonight, but Dedalos said it was ghey...too bad. :D
...if arcade action in the DA is all you can handle just say so...
Just some friendly advise gyrene, I wouldn't go there...Ded is a good stick, really good, and seems like a good guy.
I completely agree with you on the monitor comparison though. If both a 19" and 24" were set to their native res, the 19" would have bigger dots, don't know how some cannot get their head around that.
Hope too see you guys tonight, I tried yesterday but it was 0 everytime I checked. <S>
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Maybe he remembers how it used to be, when arena was populated by sticks who were looking for a fight, not absolute realism.
Arena was relatively crowded, lots of fighting, balanced plane sets, lots of fun (for majority). Then for some weird reason things changed.
Maybe he's out of line.
Maybe not.
And maybe you should think before typing loads of crap...
Yeah, you are right, I was over the top and owe him an apology. I'm sorry Dedalos, I'm the one who is out of line on this one, but man, it just seems that the arena was finding some success with that set-up and it's got to be better than an empty arena right?
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Hmm, is that supposed to mean something? You think in 6 or more years I've never flown with no icons?
Hi dedalos. :salute
Quick question.
How many hours of No Icon flight time do you have under your belt?
If ya don't have much time into it. Give it a try again.
I think you would like it. Your a good stick, you like action,You like a challenge as I see the AC you choose to fly.
Come on in, Personally Id love to fly with ya or shoot you down as payback ;) either way its a win...
Its not at all hard to find guys, THE DOTS SHOW UP REALY WELL Besides they are moving, Its very intuitive. If it sucked I would not recommend it to you.
Its intense action when there are pepole in there.
So why not give us a hand It would be great to have you, I'm sure you would can hang well in there.
Hell I'm basically a noob, and I can do it just fine. Your a pro... Lets see what cha got.
Cheers RaVe
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Maybe he remembers how it used to be, when arena was populated by sticks who were looking for a fight, not absolute realism.
Arena was relatively crowded, lots of fighting, balanced plane sets, lots of fun (for majority). Then for some weird reason things changed.
Maybe he's out of line.
Maybe not.
And maybe you should think before typing loads of crap...
Bighorn <----- :old:
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I really want to waste 70% of my GAMETIME trying to find a bad guy.
Sure get rid of icons, lose radar, lose customers...............
This is a game right? It's all about having fun right? I have a few comedians on Channel, but all the same they ain't that fun.
Not going to happen.
And presently, in WWI..... Axis has an incredible advantage.
Since you have yet to give it an actual try...what are you talking about?
I've been in the WWI arenas and the axis planes are not that much better than the allied planes...more like the P-40E vs the A6M5 only slower.
Hope too see you guys tonight, I tried yesterday but it was 0 everytime I checked. <S>
Try around 8:30-9 p.m. CST...that's usually when I've been catching people on...Mondays have been better than most other evenings.
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Bighorn <----- :old:
:headscratch:
Anyways, just looked in AvA. Two dudes (prolly dudettes), both bishops. Guess what. They were in the air, wingmen, air cap probably... yawn... Forgot to ask them if they think clipboard is disabled or what and they can't figure for that reason that they're alone over Japan... No enemies...
But I'm pretty sure they'll say how fun it was and lots of good fights they had...
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Since you have yet to give it an actual try...what are you talking about? I'm just starting trouble :t
I've been in the WWI arenas and the axis planes are not that much better than the allied planes...more like the P-40E vs the A6M5 only slower.
Current Tour:
plane Kills Deaths K/D
D.VII 55398 50546 1.10
Dr.I 43134 36391 1.19
F.1 21404 28885 0.74
F.2B 7966 12327 0.65
Gunner 255 8 28.33
I'm sorry sir, but did you say something? Funny but the stats call you a fool. Not me, just the stats.... I want to make that perfectly clear.
EDIT....... Of course it also shows that most people want to up the Axis rides..... So in an AvA WWI setup you would have 100 guys flying Axis and 18 flying Allies. Is that going to be fun?
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Hi dedalos.
Quick question.
How many hours you have under your belt w No icons? Were the others flying with same settings. or did you just turn em off in the MA.
If ya don't have much time into it Give it a try again.
I think you would like it your a good stick. come on in Id love to fly with ya
We used to fly with no icons in the DA a while back. I also got a good taste of what no icons can be when the AvA Mondays started and you lost icons at low alt. In any case, the problem is deeper than just the no icons. I really don;t need a lot of time to know what is going to happen. I've been playing this game for more than 6 years I think? I have seen what people say they do in an arena and what people actually do in an arena. You can name an arena anything you want. The reality is that it will be occupied by the same average AH player. (I don't mean average in skill). So, what does the average player look for and do in the arenas? Most will fly in packs, hit when you are engaged, and then run. The no icon and no radar set ups cater to that game play. I don;t mind being ganged if I know they are there. Getting blown out of the sky in the middle of the fight because I did not see the third or fourth guy come in is not my kind of game. I could play Socom or some other online game if I was looking for that.
I play looking for fights. Any way shape or form. I really cannot understand how not seeing the bad guy or where he may be coming from, could help in that department. If you guys like it because it adds more realism that is fine. Have fun in there, enjoy it if you like it. However, I will express my displeasure about it and make fun of it because, well, the AvA was something I could use in the past but can't now, and because in my opinion it does not promote fighting. That is just marketing lol.
The real reason I pissed people off here is that they cannot understand how could someone have a different opinion about something. Its like you are broken and they try to fix you. If not fixed, then throw away.
I don;t have match time lately. When I do, and nothing better is going on I will jump in. However, it used to be that that was the first place I looked before I did anything else. Keep in mind that you guys are going to be treated very well in there by the staff. Until you are not needed anymore. That is why I told Jimson to give it time.
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:headscratch:
Anyways, just looked in AvA. Two dudes (prolly dudettes), both bishops. Guess what. They were in the air, wingmen, air cap probably... yawn... Forgot to ask them if they think clipboard is disabled or what and they can't figure for that reason that they're alone over Japan... No enemies...
But I'm pretty sure they'll say how fun it was and lots of good fights they had...
lol, last experience there we had 2 GVs and me chasing a single F4U for sectors. BBS was full of posts about the great fights that night. Must have been because of the icons :lol
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:headscratch:
Anyways, just looked in AvA. Two dudes (prolly dudettes), both bishops. Guess what. They were in the air, wingmen, air cap probably... yawn... Forgot to ask them if they think clipboard is disabled or what and they can't figure for that reason that they're alone over Japan... No enemies...
But I'm pretty sure they'll say how fun it was and lots of good fights they had...
WoW Good attitude...That was a positive contribution to the thread.
They were Training..Squads use the arena to train in there Bigshot :rolleyes:
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I'm sorry sir, but did you say something? Funny but the stats call you a fool. Not me, just the stats.... I want to make that perfectly clear.
:rofl I understand LLogann...it's all in the numbers...here is your trouble back...did it every occur to you that the stats reflect the usage of each plane type? As in, more people are flying the D.VII and Dr.1 more than the other planes...it's actually pretty obvious when you spend more than a few minutes in there. I'm not good at all but I can get 2 or 3 kills in a Camel against D.VIIs and Dr.1s...landing is another issue entirely. :lol
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They were Training..Squads use the arena to train in there Bigshot :rolleyes:
Ah, no wonder TA is empty. Didn't know about switchover. My sincere apologies.
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Actually we sometimes do train in there, just to be there and hope some others will come in and then we can do some fighting.
Hanging out in an empty arena hoping to draw some in.
We are dedicated, at least you can say that.
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Ah, no wonder TA is empty. Didn't know about switchover. My sincere apologies.
Their learning the map BigShot
I play looking for fights. Any way shape or form. I really cannot understand how not seeing the bad guy or where he may be coming from, could help in that department. If you guys like it because it adds more realism that is fine. Have fun in there, enjoy it if you like it. However, I will express my displeasure about it and make fun of it because, well, the AvA was something I could use in the past but can't now, and because in my opinion it does not promote fighting. That is just marketing lol.
Thanks for the reply Totally understandable... you haven't given it enough time you gave up to fast. Tell you what..
Want a fight come in tonight Bring some Friends... We will fight. You tell me how lame it is. Monday there were only 15 in there it was far more action packed then the Mid war ever is with 30+. it was non stop. Its all how you set up the maps your not flying miles on end. The action is almost immediate
Want fights in there? Help us get the numbers up. Bashing it only hurts us. What are we doing to hurt you? why not help... Then you ll have it be your first choice again.. Your a good pilot don't worry you can hang in there....
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,285911.0.html
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Actually we sometimes do train in there, just to be there and hope some others will come in and then we can do some fighting.
Hanging out in an empty arena hoping to draw some in.
We are dedicated, at least you can say that.
Have you guys ever thought of splitting the numbers and just start fighting instead of waiting? Guess that doesn't go well with realism, huh?
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Their learning the map BigShot
What are we doing to hurt you? why not help...
You personally nothing. But is is not my game. Not in WWi and not into no icons. We have a few WWI arenas, did we need another? I did help in the past as match as I could. Your turn now :D
Plus, if anything, bashing it will most likely cause people to go see what all the fuss is about, so see? I am helping :D
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Their learning the map BigShot
So whenever there is map change, they will 'learn the map'? How many weeks it takes to 'learn the map'? Do you get different editions for different countries?
This realism thingy is fascinating. :O
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You personally nothing. But is is not my game. Not in WWi and not into no icons. We have a few WWI arenas, did we need another? I did help in the past as match as I could. Your turn now :D
Plus, if anything, bashing it will most likely cause people to go see what all the fuss is about, so see? I am helping :D
LOL thanks for the help then.. AvA was only WWI for a week its WW2 in there this week check it out. :cheers:
So whenever there is map change, they will 'learn the map'? How many weeks it takes to 'learn the map'? Do you get different editions for different countries?
This realism thingy is fascinating. :O
:headscratch:
Anyways, just looked in AvA. .
Your my hero Bigbreath....BTW is... Anyways a real word? just wondering, Is it like Idearrrrr...
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Have you guys ever thought of splitting the numbers and just start fighting instead of waiting? Guess that doesn't go well with realism, huh?
Gee, never thought of that.
We do many things there including splitting up and fighting each other. Sometimes we practice certain things as a squad, the other day we practiced some formation flying and coordinated field de-acking, but we always take care not to pork the arena against no opposition.
We could practice everything in the TA but that does nothing for AvA. When we are there usually a couple of more people come to check it out.
Then we split up for some fighting.
That's what we do to try to help get the arena going again.
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Anyways a real word? just wondering, Is it like Idearrrrr...
but, anyways, we're such old friends, and t' hide a word of honest truth fro' one another would be a sin and a pity.
People would call me a low- down Abolitionist and despise me for keeping mum -- but that don't make no difference. I ain't a-going to tell, and I ain't a-going back there, anyways. So, now, le's know all about it.
:old:
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Have you guys ever thought of splitting the numbers and just start fighting instead of waiting? Guess that doesn't go well with realism, huh?
When I was able to fly the last two set ups with the "no enemy icon" settings is was just that. Sure it was maybe 14 vs 14 at a peak and 9 vs 9 on average but it was fun as hell. I'm on a cheap bellybutton computer with a 17" screen and was able to find people just fine. Maybe I'm special. I guess I missed the night where it was 100 vs 18. Sounds awful.
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When I was able to fly the last two set ups with the "no enemy icon" settings is was just that. Sure it was maybe 14 vs 14 at a peak and 9 vs 9 on average but it was fun as hell. I'm on a cheap bellybutton computer with a 17" screen and was able to find people just fine. Maybe I'm special. I guess I missed the night where it was 100 vs 18. Sounds awful.
I can't talk for you, only for myself and few times I logged in AvA. Even that was a small sample. Besides, I wasn't criticizing AvA, nor its staff, just few lame excuses from few select people for select (lame) actions.
I really suggest you to read (and get the context) before jumping on my tail, otherwise I'll have to agree with Dedalos about you not being able to take any criticism, whether being constructive or not.
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:lol You left out the other part of my post.............
EDIT....... Of course it also shows that most people want to up the Axis rides..... So in an AvA WWI setup you would have 100 guys flying Axis and 18 flying Allies. Is that going to be fun?
That is the thing in and of itself, usage......... EVERYBODY is going to fly Axis, aside from the 18 guys in Camels.
:rofl I understand LLogann...it's all in the numbers...here is your trouble back...did it every occur to you that the stats reflect the usage of each plane type? As in, more people are flying the D.VII and Dr.1 more than the other planes...it's actually pretty obvious when you spend more than a few minutes in there. I'm not good at all but I can get 2 or 3 kills in a Camel against D.VIIs and Dr.1s...landing is another issue entirely. :lol
And I don't want you to think me disrespectful. I know I sound it, but my overall concern is the good of the game. The FB2 doesn't get much play, the DR.I turns much better than the rest and the D.VII may just be the best plane of the war. Until Allies get a Spad XVI it's pretty much going to stay this way. So in an AvA setup, nobody is going to want to fly Allies.
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I can't talk for you, only for myself and few times I logged in AvA. Even that was a small sample. Besides, I wasn't criticizing AvA, nor its staff, just few lame excuses from few select people for select (lame) actions.
I really suggest you to read (and get the context) before jumping on my tail, otherwise I'll have to agree with Dedalos about you not being able to take any criticism, whether being constructive or not.
Seems like a lot of estrogen floating around these days because I sure as hell was not jumping your tail. I don't even know how you could have interpreted it that way but whatever.
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The FB2 doesn't get much play, the DR.I turns much better than the rest and the D.VII may just be the best plane of the war. Until Allies get a Spad XVI it's pretty much going to stay this way. So in an AvA setup, nobody is going to want to fly Allies.
Yet that was not the case.
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Which case?
Yet that was not the case.
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Which case?
It ran in the AvA the week WWI came out, which was about a week or two ago.
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And the FB2 was fun as hell. :aok
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So AvA stats say something different than WWI stats?
And the FB2 was fun as hell. :aok
I'm from Missouri.... SHOW ME? Or shut it. Stats don't lie.
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I'm from Texas. Who give s a rats bellybutton where you're from?
And how can stats prove or disprove if I had fun in the F2B for a few nights?
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And how can stats prove or disprove if I had fun in the F2B for a few nights?
Pretty easy... look up the fun/hour stat. :D
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Pretty easy... look up the fun/hour stat. :D
Hmmm im going to need a pie chart for an overview!
:D
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I'm from Texas. Who give s a rats bellybutton where you're from?
Lets not forget, everything is Bigger in Texas........ but those Missourians want you to Show Them just how bigger it is... :devil :bolt:
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the AVA has its pro's and its cons. it works for some, it doesn't work for others. there are those that like it and those that will NEVER like it. people that fly it all the time, love it. most people that don't like it, its because of past bad experiences, and you have to respect that.
if you like it, you shouldn't be afraid to say so and why.
if you don't like it, feel free to post about it, but try making a suggestion on how to better it at the same time, instead of just bashing it. also it might help if you have recent flying time in there. things have changed alot in there in recent months. please take the time to experiment with it and try it out before forming an opinion.
if you must bash, please do it politely! i'm very thin skinned.
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Lets not forget, everything is Bigger in Texas........ but those Missourians want you to Show Them just how bigger it is... :devil :bolt:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYlDbv7MqE8&feature=related
:D
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So whenever there is map change, they will 'learn the map'? How many weeks it takes to 'learn the map'? Do you get different editions for different countries?
This realism thingy is fascinating. :O
You might want to stop trying to show how big your horn is...it's lacking...when the map changes in the AvA, it's a totally different setup...like a special events setup...sometimes just certain bases are enabled...and sometimes only certain items are available at certain bases...so yes, people do have to spend some time to "learn the map" if they want to figure things out.
:lol You left out the other part of my post.............
That is the thing in and of itself, usage......... EVERYBODY is going to fly Axis, aside from the 18 guys in Camels.
And I don't want you to think me disrespectful. I know I sound it, but my overall concern is the good of the game. The FB2 doesn't get much play, the DR.I turns much better than the rest and the D.VII may just be the best plane of the war. Until Allies get a Spad XVI it's pretty much going to stay this way. So in an AvA setup, nobody is going to want to fly Allies.
:D I think I posted my reply before you made the edit...sorry man.
When the WWI planes were in the AvA, the Ardennes terrain was used and everyone just upped from 2 bases closest to the river...since it was new, people were switching sides and checking out every plane...several stayed mostly allied and flew F2Bs or Camels...sometimes the axis was 2 to 1 over the allies but nobody got their panties in a knot.
Obviously in an arena where sides can fly whatever planes they want, the majority are going to fly what they believe to be better than the rest...just so they can see their name in lights or have someone come along and look at the stats and say "wow"...fortunately that isn't the standard in the AvA at this time.
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My house is in New Jersey actually Boobie, I spend at least 2 weeks there a year....... Missouri, if I managed to spell it right......It's an expression. How are you old enough to be important around here and yet not know that?
I'm from Texas. Who gives a rat's bellybutton where you're from?
And no offense, but not a single person round here cares what you have fun in...... I have fun in the Mossie...... And the 262..... I fly one, to fly the other. Do you care? Neither do my squadies....... Was there a point in there AvA CM or are you just trying to turn people off to AvA? With a Donkey like you in charge, who wants to hang out there?
I also fixed your grammar. When do you get to college?
WWI - You have 52 kills.... But only 12 are in an FB2............ Sounds like you had so much fun you stayed with the plane! :salute
Or.... In AvA..... 132 kills, yet only 22 in the FB2...... But you sure did fly that D.VII alot. You sure you don't mean the D.VII for AvA? You have 64 of those. Or does dying give you joy? Then I can understand all the fun you had in that FB2. :neener:
EDIT: AvA stats are even worse than WWI stats cupcake........ FYI. But as Lusche states, even the fun/hour stat shows the D.VII to be funner.............. :lol
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<S> gyrene81 <S>
:D I think I posted my reply before you made the edit...sorry man.
Talking bad about Slashhhhhhhh, I sound like a jerkoff, true.......... But that's on purpose. I just figure until the Allies have the Spad 16, it's always going to be Axis getting the chunk of the players. Then same way people whine about hordes in the MA, people are going to whine about hordes in AvA WWI. That won't get this community anywhere good.
I always respect your opinion gyrene81, don't think me intentionally being thick headed. I just try to see the future.
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Yeah, I like the F2B. All 22 kills were fun much like the enitre set up for me. It's not near as easy to get kills in as the DR 7 but I'll take the F2B over the Camel or that DR 1. And this "ass" is not in charge of anything around here.
Atleast for now.... :noid
How was grammar Jersey Shore?
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But was it 4 times as much fun? :lol
I do apologize for being a jackarse....... Don't take it personal my brotha.......... :salute
The grammar wasn't too bad at all this time. But I live across the Hudson by NYC. I don't get to the "shore" much. :cheers:
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No worries what so ever Logan :salute
And what plane is that in your avatar? I always thought that was a sweet pic.
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That is the 1st plane I ever upped in this fine game...... Went right to the bottom of the drink! :uhoh
And what plane is that in your avatar? I always thought that was a sweet pic.
It's a Pony. :D
<S> Slash27 <S>
AND...... Not sure if you were part of SDL Sunday but WTG Muppets! From what I hear, you guys are better than I may have thought. I hope to fly next time! :salute
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"I missed the night where it was 100 vs 18. Sounds awful."
No worries. You can experience it anytime you wish : ) Just go to the MA.
All the recent posts complaining about eny values and being steamrolled
by hordes show that kind of thing continues to thrive there all the time.
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EVERYBODY is going to fly Axis, aside from the 18 guys in Camels.
See what I mean??? :rofl
(http://www.freakingnews.com/pictures/60500/Flying-Camel-60684.jpg)
(http://l.yimg.com/g/images/spaceball.gif)
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:rofl That caught me off guard Dedalos...funny stuff. Thanks for the laugh man.
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(http://www.freakingnews.com/pictures/60500/Flying-Camel-60684.jpg)
That looks like the Jersey Devil. :(
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Wow, that thing is ugly.
Could it replace our long lost sheep?
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:lol
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Wow, that thing is ugly.
Could it replace our long lost sheep?
No one touches the sheep!!!! :furious However, there are other rides to try also.
This is Stang flying in the DA last Sunday.
(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1117/1006478081_a23457bde0.jpg?v=0)
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He lost some weight.... That is good to hear! :salute
This is Stang flying in the DA last Sunday.