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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: oTRALFZo on April 17, 2010, 09:57:13 AM
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You know you been playing "too" long when you start picking up on the certain players techniques, running into them and totally falling for it time and time again.
Greebo with his F6, Grizz with the 262, Paws, Del with his 38, Lute with his Nik, GHI with his IL2.
Knowing these guys are active on the roster, have you ever misjudged chasing that 262 to be the typical average 262 pilot only to find yourself roped, doing EXACTLY what he wanted you to do and come back BOOM..tower, msg: Grizz has shot you down. The IL2 on the deck, swooping down to get a shot, having the patented Neg G swoop, overshoot then BAM..GHI has shot you down. :furious :furious :furious
I bring this up by my contact with Delirium yesterday. smoking 38, trying to set up a shot knowing that to do so, there might be a risk that I can get into his gunsight. Chances are, the typical player here would be extremly lucky to pull off getting the shot on me, but someone like Delirium could. Sure enough..he pulls in the vert, as I see pieces of my typh falling off, I am caught saying..This is Del even before the msg comes up. (very nice btw)
Question here is, do most on here take that risk and GO for it? Or do most have enough pateince to say the risk is there, but "hopefully" I can set something up with a better advantage on my end?
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Question here is, do most on here take that risk and GO for it?
Yup, I want to test my mettle against the best... it's the most fun.
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Yup, I want to test my mettle against the best... it's the most fun.
Definitely! :aok
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Always still go for it, after all that's what the game is all about, combat. I will admit tho that if I think after the first merge it might be one of "those guys" I am a bit more cautious about what kind of shot I give them :D
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I go after anything red. But one thing I do is look for someone needing help. I go in and help them out but when its time for people to help me they boot and scoot. And yes I have gone up against grizz and been on the losing end. But you gotta keep trying.
Just like Babe Ruth said "Every srike gets me closer to the next homerun."
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Grizz told me that if I start shooting like him, I can stop sleeping outside.
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I go after anything red. But one thing I do is look for someone needing help. I go in and help them out but when its time for people to help me they boot and scoot. And yes I have gone up against grizz and been on the losing end. But you gotta keep trying.
Just like Babe Ruth said "Every srike gets me closer to the next homerun."
I like that attitude :salute. Not to be offtrack here, but years ago I had the honor of meeting Julia Child. What she said in her speech to our graduating class has stuck with me for many many years. " There are 2 people you will meet in this feild. Those that make mistakes and make excuses, and those that make mistakes and make resolutions. The real greats have made many resolutions".
That hits home in game as it is in life. When pride on the line, its easy to make excuses and blame the other guy or some other reason. Work harder on not making that mistake later and you will prevail.
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NO WAY am I going to risk a death at the hands of one of these guys. I usually will log off and play internet checks instead.
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its kinda neat how after a while u can tell who ur fightin against based on the flying style, and i would fight those guys anyday, beats the hek outta chasin a noob, or dealin wit dweebs.
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Sure enough..he pulls in the vert, as I see pieces of my typh falling off, I am caught saying..This is Del even before the msg comes up. (very nice btw)
It couldn't of been me, I haven't flown much at all and I'm rusty as heck.
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Ive actually ran into greebo, ill go after anything I can gwet my guns onto
I believe I shot him down once
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It couldn't of been me, I haven't flown much at all and I'm rusty as heck.
How nice of you to shake off the rust by practicing on me :aok
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Be Wary..., It took awhile, but I can spot Ghi at his game about half the time now (either because somone is screaming his name on vox, or by the distinct way he throws your aim off in that IL-2)
Call it paranoia, but I am VERY wary of IL2's That seem to be ignoring the fact im clossing on thier 6.
My biggest iritation are the 109K4's that appear to be blundering around at low speed who suddenly go vertical just as I get within shooting range, roll over the top with flaps out, and rip my wings off in snapshots, iv'e promised myself NOT to fall into that beartrap anymore.
It's a set up, and I know i've let alot of fights go longer than they should, or missed oppertunity's for a kill because I simply will not follow a guy that fits that scenerio right away.
Most of the decent stick are obviouse after a couple minutes in the area, because when your looking they really dont seem to be in the fight,(snailman comes to mind in that Niki) but turn your back, or engage another plane, and you WILL find yourself back in the tower because the guy just waited long enough for you to let your gaurd down.
BE WARY OF THE HI ALT 38 overhead, he's probably just waiting until your pants are down around your ankles before he push's the issue, and you cant fault him for it...
Apart from who I consider good sticks, there are ALOT of guys who fly one airplane the same way every time, and have developed countermeasures in order to try and force people to fly thier way.
In the arena its what ammounts to alot whining about running, or being double team'd, and here on the boards its guys treating the HO like it wasnt thier fault for being infront of another airplanes guns, or refering to people as spit dweebs etc. excuses, excuses, :cry
I think some of these one trick ponies in the MA are really limiting themselves, and most usualy end up dead just like anyone else.
People forget that this is a team sport, a kill by HO is still a kill, and a guy that gets in over his head and die's heroicly in a ball of fire is no better than the one that extends and preserve's his life like any real world pilot might do.
If you die in the air fellas, the 1st person you should point the finger at is YOURSELF. I dont whine when I accept an obviouse HO attempt from a K4, or 110, why do you think its ok to?
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who flies 190s from takeoff to 20k in 3.5 seconds flat?
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GO FOR IT!!! :joystick: No balls. no glory. :joystick: A sea of red means I'm usually dead. But, its the boat ride there that's always fun. :airplane:
<S> to all the good and best sticks in the game. I know I have become another notch in the rifle stock to most of them. Its always an aggravating death to be had when these guys sucker ya in.
SALUTE
A8Chustr
Side note:
"...who flies 190s from takeoff to 20k in 3.5 seconds flat?"
From what a 10K base? Which map has that one? Seriously, 109K4 will go 0K to 15K inside dar ring full on WEP and 100% fuel. 190D9 to about 12k same load out...just sayin'.
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Whenever a "top Stick" is reported to be in the fight, I always make him my focus. He's the one I'm seeking out. Don't know if it's bravado or what, just my way. I enjot the patience in the fight that these "top sticks" have and as a result start using it myself. I think my last one was with kappa & his buddy in 262s. He shot down 8-10 of my countrymen (all the green is sight) before I got there. I got up there and round & round we went & I got him smoking so he had to rtb. A satisfying fight for both. He still got to land all his scalps & I got to stop him from getting more. To me that was a victory (he really was killing everyone in sight!).
:salute
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I can usually tell just by the initial merge what the other pilot is going to fight or flight. It's usually a HO from the timid one's or it's a merge. I always treat everyone like their one of the best in the game which always helps that way you can always be ready for a fight.
<S>
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I can tell before the merge if they are gonna be a good fight or not, I don't consider a guy that just comes in and face shoots and me avoiding, a good fight no matter how long it takes me to send him to tower, it's just boring, A good Dog Fight is much like an elaborate dance and when you get into one there is no better feeling win or loose, well maybe one better feeling in here anyways, and that is killing red guys when the sky is full of red guys and there is no green anywhere, and eventually you got too many to count all trying to kill ya, that, is the tops for me, that's what gets my blood pumping.
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Im bombing base at sea level in 234 from 20k, and a 190 takes of from target base and climbs verticly to me, then manages to keep up with my 234, which I am running at top level speed
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Im bombing base at sea level in 234 from 20k, and a 190 takes of from target base and climbs verticly to me, then manages to keep up with my 234, which I am running at top level speed
What does this have to do with the subject of this thread?
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One good fight a night can keep me going for a long time. Even if it means fighting the mob a lot. Last time I had a chance to fly, I had three or four good fights in the midst of the mob. Usually the same guys in the same planes that also are looking for a decent twisting and turning brawl.
What's even funnier is when you are bending the stick against one guy and others from both sides are trying to interrupt and they keep missing because they can't follow the fight cause they don't know how to.
As for getting that "oh #$#" feeling. Never. It's always a good feeling even if I know the other guy is getting the edge in a fight, that at least I found someone who also wanted to turn and burn :)
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Always still go for it, after all that's what the game is all about, combat. I will admit tho that if I think after the first merge it might be one of "those guys" I am a bit more cautious about what kind of shot I give them :D
+1 :aok
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The best fights are when you can get someone 1 v 1. I will drag a group of cons out to allow the dweebs to break off. Then you can have a decent fight. You can see someones skill level on how they approach you. When you see that pilot that's lobbing shots at 1.5 out it's a sign they are inexperienced.
I think the level of competition has increased in this game. Playing the best only makes you better. :airplane:
Trying to improve my flying by doing a precise rolling scissors, not easy.
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I fall for their was all the time..doesn't stop me though...try try and try again...one day they will be to drunk, tired, get a phone call or ack and i'll get em...till then though it's....tunnel vision hahaha
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I never get that feeling when merging....just when I'm in tower. Going how did I get here so fast. Lots of great sticks in game To many to list <S> for those like a fight. :airplane:
BushLT <S>
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A good Dog Fight is much like an elaborate dance and when you get into one there is no better feeling win or loose
I really wish I would have thought to say this when I was asked to define what a fight should be during an argument the other night.
A certain timid P51 pilot, who I shall not name because of the BBS rules, was flying around at 20k while I was at 12kish. I'm thinking to myself, maybe if I climb up to him he'll decide to fight. Nope, was completely wrong, he would make a pass extend to 3k and repeat. After about 5 minutes I call out I'm RTB this is a waste of time, it is then he decides to follow me down and shoot me.
After I call him out on his timid flying, he responds with you asked for a fight and you got it. After an argument about how that was not a fight, Wmaker asked me to define what a fight is. I responded with, A fight is when two opponents are pitted together until one is the victor not when one sits on a perch and attacks when he feels like it.
It's like a boxing match, you watch one to see two people slug it out. You never watch a match to see one person back stepping around the ring so he doesn't get hit and throw a punch in every 30 seconds.
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If you die in the air fellas, the 1st person you should point the finger at is YOURSELF.
this is absolutely the truth....... for the most part, things are so far removed from how they used to be.you see 1 vs 1 or 1 vs 2 ( or 3 ) fighting and you'd ask " you need help" or "you ok" and either help or stay out and cover the higher ground only engaging when asked....
to day it is all "Me Me Me Me ME and Mine Mine Mine Mine Mine" so you have a 1 vs 1 and then you end up in a 5 thru 10 vs 1, because of the Me and Mine mentality
I dont whine when I accept an obviouse HO attempt from a K4, or 110, why do you think its ok to?
with in the TOS rules of online play, it is ok for anyone to do anything they want to do, the only up or down to that is the impression you leave on everyone else
I don't necessarily whine about it, it is what it is......but when I witness 9 to 12 members of the same squadron ( one that has been here since almost the beginning of AH ), and everyone of them merge-ing with guns blazing from 1,000 to 800 out, every single time you engage them and sometimes 3 or 4 at a time vs 1... you can bet your arse I will absolutely give them grief about it......
even if they do respond with "you bet I will take a face shot at a Neg E F4U coming over the top and nosing down at me"
it just shows you it is more of a "points / win the war/map game thing" to some than it is about the " dogfight" to others.....
long as everyone is having fun, go for it..... just will not get no respect from me for being a "non-fighting chicken twit"
* even if I do keep going back to the same area, thinking it's going to be any different, ROFL.......
as for knowing if it is going to be a good fight or not, or knowing who you are up against before the fight...... you play/cartoon fly long enough and you will figure it out...... I can most times spot who I am up against by the end of the 1st merge, if it is someone who has gave me good fights before.. I can even tell them "Nice Shot ~so-n-so~" before I ever get the you were shotdown by message.........
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with in the TOS rules of online play, it is ok for anyone to do anything they want to do, the only up or down to that is the impression you leave on everyone else
This is very true. Although what I see too many times is that new guys think that just because they put you in the tower, that it's a good thing.
I got a <S> the other day from some guy I haven't heard from after being chased by 6 others and he just managed to get the killshot. I sent a <S> right after followed by a PM of "well don't know why, but I guess". I think that hit home with him, because I was expecting the classic "shut up and stop whining" attitude you generally get in the MA, but he did feel badly about it. Turned out he got whacked as most of the 6 guys chasing me, loosing alt, E and tunnel vision for chasing a lone con. He learned to keep it in mind in the future and really turned out as a positive experience.
I guess its easy to get caught up in all the MA bs. I can say through this experience that its not all what you think it is. Some people just don't know and some just dont care.
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you cant learn anything if you run, or ack-hug, so generally, i will engage anyone that comes after me. i might lose, which most of the time i do, but thats the fun behind it. yes i'd like to be the one giving out the beatings, but someday ill get better.
i think some people forget that if you get in the tower, you get a shiny new plane. score and k/d mean nothing to me, id rather have a good dogfight and die, than run and get vulched trying to land!
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Im bombing base at sea level in 234 from 20k, and a 190 takes of from target base and climbs verticly to me, then manages to keep up with my 234, which I am running at top level speed
:huh
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Respect, or indulgence...hmmm
Well it depends on what particular emotion you are surfing for...
Dont get me wrong here, I dont support the LA pilots who will eternaly push for a HO no matter the cost, and I dont perticularly respect pilots who find it ammusing to follow the fight just out of range until they are absolutly sure it is safe to make a pass, but I cant fault either one for it, and in a fit of rage, or because I was sitting on a couple kills allready, i've commited both crimes myself.
War is a game of attrition, and dirty, and crude.... unfortunatly. Though if is werent all these things, the game wouldnt really be fun anymore I think.
Where as before I might call a guy out on 200 for doing somthing I consider lame, I have recently been biting my tounge.
I suppose i've relised that there is no such thing as a respectable war, and it is warriors that we seek to emulate after all.
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Heck yes.....and I am always too committed to disengage. I figure it was a learning experience anyway. :)
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Most of the time if i face a P-38, 262, 109, Yak or P-51. I can tell who it is and counter their movies. Despite my lack of ACM, i do make it harder for them to kill me.
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Everytime I see a P-38 I'm wondering if a SAPP or 80th Headhunter member is behind the controls. I always fight 38's as if it's one of them behind the controls. If I'm still alive after the first turn, I'm fairly certain it's not one of them. :salute
I've gotten to that point too where I know if I'm fighting an experienced player after the merge, or just after the first turn. It's quite a neat thing once you think about it, that subconsciously your mind is telling you how much E they have, what you can do to reverse them, and how experienced they are in a matter of seconds. You basically react to what they are doing without thinking! :joystick:
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Everytime I see a P-38 I'm wondering if a SAPP or 80th Headhunter member is behind the controls. I always fight 38's as if it's one of them behind the controls. If I'm still alive after the first turn, I'm fairly certain it's not one of them. :salute
I've gotten to that point too where I know if I'm fighting an experienced player after the merge, or just after the first turn. It's quite a neat thing once you think about it, that subconsciously your mind is telling you how much E they have, what you can do to reverse them, and how experienced they are in a matter of seconds. You basically react to what they are doing without thinking! :joystick:
and if i see anything faster than a zero that isnt a turn fighter i wonder if im against Pacerr...usually this feeling occurs when you see an La-7 on the deck at 360mph trailing 7 cons and him killing 5 of them and losing the other two only to land :rolleyes:
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Every time is see a P-38, SAPP or 80th come to mind. The best way to tell if they are high and drop on my six or two of them high or level and working together.
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and if i see anything faster than a zero that isnt a turn fighter i wonder if im against Pacerr...usually this feeling occurs when you see an La-7 on the deck at 360mph trailing 7 cons and him killing 5 of them and losing the other two only to land :rolleyes:
Wha? Pacerr sux
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Every time is see a P-38, SAPP or 80th come to mind. The best way to tell if they are high and drop on my six or two of them high or level and working together.
Don't forget the one that's low, single engine and smoking :)
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Wha? Pacerr sux
and this is why he is usually top player once or twice in a set of 5 tours?
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and this is why he is usually top player once or twice in a set of 5 tours?
You mean top scorer right? That's completely different than being a top player.
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You mean top scorer right? That's completely different than being a top player.
uhh im sorry to say this but score kinda starts mattering if its in the top ten players and if you see this guy defending a base outnumbered it kinda shows how good the pilot is
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uhh im sorry to say this but score kinda starts mattering if its in the top ten players and if you see this guy defending a base outnumbered it kinda shows how good the pilot is
FAIL
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FAIL
succeed
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succeed
Sorry dude but you're wrong. Score isn't much of a reflection on skill, not much at all.
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Sorry dude but you're wrong. Score isn't much of a reflection on skill, not much at all.
never said it was until you get up to the top ten area... now if you were to go to the top fighter, bomber, GV, attack, then it would actually be more accurate... someone who can kill 15 enemy per death shows skill if it isnt a picker plane
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someone who can kill 15 enemy per death shows skill if it isnt a picker plane
Well the person you mentioned gets more kills in a Tempest per tour than any other plane.
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Well the person you mentioned gets more kills in a Tempest per tour than any other plane.
only saw him land 190A8 kills today. 4 one sortie, then something else for another before i logged. no tempies...
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only saw him land 190A8 kills today. 4 one sortie, then something else for another before i logged. no tempies...
Stats don't lie. I'm giving you verifiable facts. :aok
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never said it was until you get up to the top ten area..
No
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Anyway, since this thread has taken a nose dive into the skill vs. score argument... (insert dead horse emote)
I always like to see a good merge, as it means things are about to get interesting. I can't say I pick out individual players based on merges, but certainly a few turns into the fight there are some very recognizable ones. I also find the "deceivers" to be enjoyable -- the vets who will fire a few rounds at 1.5 or come screaming in at what you think is full compression, only to pop into a good immelman / split S combo. Makes you think twice about the most seemingly mundane engagement. :rock
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Thats me in a 39 popping off pot shots at 1.5 to 1k and flying down at 550 mph moving very little as though I am compressed then zooming and using real acm if I failed the pick or bnz.
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Thats me in a 39 popping off pot shots at 1.5 to 1k and flying down at 550 mph moving very little as though I am compressed then zooming and using real acm if I failed the pick or bnz.
Well, I was referring to those who do it intentionally, not as a missed bnz. Also, usually its the 109s, 38's, and A6M's I will be most willing to believe are compressed. :aok
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Thats me popping off pot moving very little as though I am compressed
:eek: :rolleyes: :eek:
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Nice outta context quote billy lol :cheers:
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Well, I was referring to those who do it intentionally, not as a missed bnz. Also, usually its the 109s, 38's, and A6M's I will be most willing to believe are compressed. :aok
surprisingly the a6ms dont compress truly like the 109 and 38s do... ive dove in in a6ms at 450mph stressing the plane but being able to pull out with out crazy trimming. 500 and above well then you got a problem! :lol
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Sorry dude but you're wrong. Score isn't much of a reflection on skill, not much at all.
im with steve on this one
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im with steve on this one
pffft, score is epic.
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pffft, score is epic.
:x
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Well the person you mentioned gets more kills in a Tempest per tour than any other plane.
And how is this different then Grizz getting most of his kills in a 262? Yet everyone hails Grizz as the AcesHigh hero with humpers on every limb, while Pacerr is thought of as a POS. This is a double standard guys. I guess popularity should have a catagory in the rank too.
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And how is this different then Grizz getting most of his kills in a 262? Yet everyone hails Grizz as the AcesHigh hero with humpers on every limb, while Pacerr is thought of as a POS. This is a double standard guys. I guess popularity should have a catagory in the rank too.
Pacerr aint a POS. he commends my flying alot actually... he isn't a jerk at all
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Pacerr aint a POS. he commends my flying alot actually... he isn't a jerk at all
Most of the vocal crowd in this game will tell you they think Pacerr is a skilless dweeb. I don't care either way. I don't know the guy.
If folks want to talk about skill and stats...well we can do that. I would love to do that as a matter of fact. And we can start with TonyJoey and go right down the list if ya want. :aok
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And how is this different then Grizz getting most of his kills in a 262? Yet everyone hails Grizz as the AcesHigh hero with humpers on every limb, while Pacerr is thought of as a POS. This is a double standard guys. I guess popularity should have a catagory in the rank too.
Where have you seen me hail Grizz as a hero for clubbing seals in a 262? What double standard? I speak for myself. In fact, find a single post where I hump any of his limbs or even come close to it. I'll wait.
Your quote = FAIL
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I didn't say anything about Steve humping anything. But I will direct you to the films thread and you will find 4 or 5 pages of awesome leg humping. Personally, if the man got 99 kills in a P40, that would warrent some leg humping. But doing it in a jet....nah. But yet folks will horray for Grizz taking about how great he is. When Pacerr collects a mess of scalps in a Tempest. Well he's a skilless twit. You know it and I know it Steve. Lets be honest here, shall we?
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I didn't say anything about Steve humping anything. But I will direct you to the films thread and you will find 4 or 5 pages of awesome leg humping. Personally, if the man got 99 kills in a P40, that would warrent some leg humping. But doing it in a jet....nah. But yet folks will horray for Grizz taking about how great he is. When Pacerr collects a mess of scalps in a Tempest. Well he's a skilless twit. You know it and I know it Steve. Lets be honest here, shall we?
I am being honest, You are trying to change the subject. I'm the one who commented about Pacerr, not anyone else. Since were' being honest, Grizz doesn't suck, does he?
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:lol No, Grizz is a good cartoon ace Steve. So are you and about all in your squad. But Pacerr has got his game down too though.
But I doubt any of the DAS Muppets would be caught dead admitting Pacerr has got anything approaching skill.
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:lol No, Grizz is a good cartoon ace Steve. So are you and about all in your squad. But Pacerr has got his game down too though.
Well I gave my opinion about him, that's all. As we know, my opinion isn't any more or less sage than the next guy's. I base it on my experience, just like anyone else. :salute
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:salute I enjoy sparring with you. But awswer me this: you think Pacerr suks because he will avoid a fight in a heartbeat to keep his score...am i right? But Grizz flys a 262 everywhere 500mph, how is he not running from a fight? No one can catch the man to fight him. This is the point I'm trying to make. The only real difference in Grizz and Pacerr, is Pacerr wants a overall good score, and Grizz goes for the best fighter score.
Anyway that's my worthless .02 I'm not trollin', baitin', or flamein'. Just saying the way I see it. I honestly think both guys are skilled but in each his own way. But most in this game will say Pacerr suks and Grizz is great. It just doesn't make sense to me. :salute
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Well I gave my opinion about him, that's all. As we know, my opinion isn't any more or less sage than the next guy's. I base it on my experience, just like anyone else. :salute
I respect your opinions and look forward to your posts. But sometimes I think you're wrong on some points every now and again. And I may be wrong on this one, but I'm just saying............. :)
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It's funny, I use the "Oh ####" factor to rate opponents. How soon after the merge am I saying
"Oh ####, this is gonna hurt." :D
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I respect your opinions and look forward to your posts. But sometimes I think you're wrong on some points every now and again. And I may be wrong on this one, but I'm just saying............. :)
Ive seen pacer get his hands dirty upping at somewhat capped feilds. Hes not stingy giving the check calls either. I dont have a problem with him. As far as the ankle humpers...blame them not the ankles they hump :confused:
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Ive seen pacer get his hands dirty upping at somewhat capped feilds. Hes not stingy giving the check calls either. I dont have a problem with him. As far as the ankle humpers...blame them not the ankles they hump :confused:
EXACTLY what i was saying! but everyone shot me down for saying it. at least someone can actually back me up here. He ups at capped fields in La-7s and the like VS 2 or 3 to 1 odds and kills people and STILL lands the kills... i have killed him once within this year if i recollect and that was when he was doing such an act in a battle that lasted an hour i only killed him once...got shot down by him many a time in that fight...
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One good fight a night can keep me going for a long time. Even if it means fighting the mob a lot. Last time I had a chance to fly, I had three or four good fights in the midst of the mob. Usually the same guys in the same planes that also are looking for a decent twisting and turning brawl.
What's even funnier is when you are bending the stick against one guy and others from both sides are trying to interrupt and they keep missing because they can't follow the fight cause they don't know how to.
As for getting that "oh #$#" feeling. Never. It's always a good feeling even if I know the other guy is getting the edge in a fight, that at least I found someone who also wanted to turn and burn :)
WAYYYYYYYYYYYY back in the day you and i had some good 1 v 1s :) Your always a fun fight no matter what AKAK and Mensa say :aok
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Best fight ive had in AH was against freez back in the day. 20 min k4 fight.
Grizz is a damn good fight once you figure out his tricks :D :neener:
But i wont share them here, he did retrain and gave up most of his secrets to me.
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:salute I enjoy sparring with you. But awswer me this: you think Pacerr suks because he will avoid a fight in a heartbeat to keep his score...am i right?
No. I said what I said because once you get him in a fight(good luck with that), he isn't hard to beat. Grizz mixes it up in his 262 and he has the films to prove it.
FWIW, I think 262 kills should be in their own category, not fighter... I'm not a big 262 fan. OTOH, Grizz flies it a bit differently than some shy cherry picker slicing a furball. *shrug*
Ive seen pacer get his hands dirty upping at somewhat capped feilds
Not in fighter mode, that would mess up his score.
Here's the thing 321, I'm giving you my opinion and you are arguing about it. You are not going to change my mind, and I'm not trying to change yours. If you like the guy, bully for you.
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No. I said what I said because once you get him in a fight(good luck with that), he isn't hard to beat. Grizz mixes it up in his 262 and he has the films to prove it.
FWIW, I think 262 kills should be in their own category, not fighter... I'm not a big 262 fan. OTOH, Grizz flies it a bit differently than some shy cherry picker slicing a furball. *shrug*
Not in fighter mode, that would mess up his score.
Here's the thing 321, I'm giving you my opinion and you are arguing about it. You are not going to change my mind, and I'm not trying to change yours. If you like the guy, bully for you.
I have to agree with everything youve said.
The ONLY time that i have EVER seen pacerr stop running and fight was against JB11 (elevenk) and umm it didnt last very long. 11 and i was laughing so hard. I'll give pacerr this, he gives carl lewis a run for his money :aok
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And how is this different then Grizz getting most of his kills in a 262?
Find me 1v1 and I'll show you. :aok
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pacerr is just so awful it's ridiculous.. what's hilarious is how he ends up ranked 2nd so frequently despite doing his best to be number 1 at scorewhoring. fail.
im guilty of bullying him over vox when ive been on his country while he's stalking and looking to pick my fights. then he goes all spastic, just listening ot his voice I can tell he's a miserable sod.
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This is gonna be an in thread soon... i can feel it, coming in the air of the night...hold on... :rolleyes:
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I've got no issues with pacerr any more then I would with shawk, IMO both are better then most people give them credit for. However to even compare them to anyone at Grizz's level is ludicrous. There aren't more then 100 or so folks in the game who are truly formidable 1 on 1...Grizz is somewhere up in the top of that mix. Pacerr (along with most of us) doesn't come near to making that grade...
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I totally agree with ya Snap. I shouldn't of used Grizz as an example. But he's the 1st one that came to mind as he is on top right now. But, I also feel he's on top because he's flying a plane at the moment that allows for him to escape from his mistakes with ease. If you put him in a 38 against Del, Dan, Cactus and some of the other Sappers, I don't think he'd have the success that he does in the 262.
Let there be no doubt that the plane one chooses to fly makes a huge difference in whether or not you make it home. The Muppets web site has a write up from Zazen about how to be successful in a fighter, and one of the tips is to choose a plane that can get in and out of a fight quickly. A plane that can grab alt and get you away from danger when you need too. I'm I the only one that notices the "great" pilots in this game don't fly a lot of P40s, F4Fs, etc?
I have nothing personal whatsoever against Grizz, but his plane of choice has put him on top of the aces list. I know this ain't going to win me any points with a lot of folks, but someone needs to say it.
I personally think the most skilled player in this game is the master of the 38.
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This is where you need to separate out a bunch of different components. If we view the MA environment then Zazen is in the "dozen" or so most formidable flyers (IMO) along with coach, steve, skatsr who consistently make quality decisions but have the ability to fight well (1 on 1 or outnumbered) as needed.
Now you can go beyond that to guys like Greebo who are truly formidable in the MA in a more average plane (You can throw a few of the F4U/spitty/jug guys in here as well)...
Then we hit the 38 which is an entirely different animal in the sense that its the unuber uber plane. No question that a well handled 38 is exceptionally formidable. So now we get into the question of "best of breed"...Grizz (109), Del (P-38), Greebo (F6F) Bluekitty (P-47) WW (F4U) Bruv spitXVI
So tell me who wins that one...and we don't have Batfink, tonyjoey or a host of others in there...
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Yes, there's no doubt that that list of guys are the best of the best at the dogfighting aspect of the game. And I'm sure anyone of them will tell you, each one could beat the other on any given day.
But the score monger is also a breed of it's own with a whole different set of game knowlege, skill and goals. Pacerr and Shawk are always at the top of that list. But the fact they choose to play all parts of the game,instead of just the fighter aspect of it, some would say they suck. I don't agree with that.
We all know the fighter role is the most difficult SINGLE aspect of the game to master. To be #1 OVERALL, one has to be good at ALL parts of the game, not just one catagory. To compare Pacerr to Grizz is comparing apples to oranges. They play 2 different games.Because of this, depending on who you ask, one is considered to suck while the other is great. That's not fair. They're both equally skilled AT WHAT THEY DO. If I were to depend on one guy to take a VH down in one jabo pass, I'd want a Shawk or Pacerr to do it. But if I wanted a fighter for sure dead, I'd call on a Delrium or Grizz.
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when all is said and done as long as you enjoy your $15 thats all that matters. nuff said.
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To compare Pacerr to Grizz is comparing apples to oranges. They play 2 different games.Because of this, depending on who you ask, one is considered to suck while the other is great. That's not fair. They're both equally skilled AT WHAT THEY DO.
You need to break it down more uptown. To score high, you need to perform a monthly laundry list of tasks and then look at each individual component of that list and ask yourself if it requires any skill...
To name a few:
Capture a few bases with an m3 and goon.
Drop bombs on undefended towns and rtb.
Shoot buildings with sdkfz/pt boat rockets.
Strafe buildings in attack mode.
Only fly to vulch fests in fighter mode.
Spawn camp in tanks.
That is pretty much the list of tasks that needs to be done to rank high. Being good at that isn't worth squat.
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:lol Point and match Grizz. This portion of me poking the bear with a stick is over :lol :salute you're alright for a Muppet :D
oh, and the 1vs1 thing with me and you, we both know that's a total waste of time . :(
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when all is said and done as long as you enjoy your $15 thats all that matters. nuff said.
+1
As for paccer its his money also, never had a problem with the guy hes also more considerate than most regards throwing out a check 6 or clearing your tail, 90% of the main arena fly the same style as him for the same reasons in the same situations so why grief him.
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+1
As for paccer its his money also, never had a problem with the guy hes also more considerate than most regards throwing out a check 6 or clearing your tail, 90% of the main arena fly the same style as him for the same reasons in the same situations so why grief him.
That's true. I was only pointing out that ranking high is no good measure of one's ability for the reasons I listed. I have never fought pacerr so I don't know if he has any skills. I have picked him out of some ungodly hordes in my jet/ta152 before though.
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I welcome the fight with a Spit9 knowing it is that tard Bruv119 :neener:
Also I love to fight ALL of those dweeby Bish Dora's at 12k knowing that they will blow their advantage cuz they are noobs (Screamin Dweebcakes and Devil's Tards). But what I most love is seeing a Pony at 15k hoping he dives on me, and lag roll his running arse and blow his wing off. System: you have Shot Down Tomagina #7.
Thats whats fun.
perdweeb
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Kazaa, I don't know whether to laugh at that pic or fly to the UK and kick you in the shin!
:rofl
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+1
As for paccer its his money also, never had a problem with the guy hes also more considerate than most regards throwing out a check 6 or clearing your tail, 90% of the main arena fly the same style as him for the same reasons in the same situations so why grief him.
^ THIS
But I don't know much 'bout nuthin
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Kazaa, I don't know whether to laugh at that pic or fly to the UK and kick you in the shin!
:rofl
do it!!! I dare you! just make sure you film it on your mobile and post it on the internets :D
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That's true. I was only pointing out that ranking high is no good measure of one's ability for the reasons I listed. I have never fought pacerr so I don't know if he has any skills. I have picked him out of some ungodly hordes in my jet/ta152 before though.
True rank is pretty meaningless wasn't referring to you mate regards paccrr, I see the guy getting a lot of grief in MA dunno if its justified or not I take people based on my own dealings with them. Certainly a lot of the abusers fly in the same manor as him only they are a lot worse at it!
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^ THIS
But I don't know much 'bout nuthin
are we missing a kazaa pm here? :D
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Grizz goes for the best fighter score.
I don't think he really goes for the #1 fighter rank, I think it just kinda happens.
it's hard to NOT get on grizzs' ankle, turns out it's very humpable :uhoh :bolt:
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I don't think he really goes for the #1 fighter rank, I think it just kinda happens.
And it just kinda happens far easier if the majority of your kills each tour are from perk rides. :rolleyes:
It's still good fun to come across muppets 1v1 and mostly always good fights. But I don't give a rats arse,ounce of credit or attention to anyone in perk rides no matter who they are or squad they are from.. Whether they land 1 kill in a 262 or 100.
<S>...-Gixer
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And it just kinda happens far easier if the majority of your kills each tour are from perk rides. :rolleyes:
Relax, it's all about fun. Constantly avoiding HOs, being chased by armies committed to killing you, and attempting to bust up uber hordes isn't for everybody. Some just don't have the stomach for it. But hey, you have your own idea of fun, like constantly looking for 1v1s in a horde monkey arena all the while avoiding the dueling arena like the plague. I don't enjoy that anymore so to each their own.
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avoiding the dueling arena like the plague.
I use to do the DA years ago but got bored with it. The few hours I have, I prefer to spend MA. It's the variety of fights in MA that keeps me interested, as I enjoy the search,hunt and not knowing who in what or how many is coming up next.
Compared to repeated staged fights in the DA.
Plus time zone, I'm on mostly during off peak hours where maybe 50 to 80 all up in MA so generally there aren't any hordes. If I had more time during peak hours I probably would spend a few hours in DA depending on who was in there.
So save the purse fight taunts for someone else.
<S>...-Gixer
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. But I don't give a rats arse,ounce of credit or attention to anyone in perk rides no matter who they are or squad they are from..
Actually you are giving perk plane and other "uber ride" flyers a LOT of attention on CH200 lately...
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Actually you are giving perk plane and other "uber ride" flyers a LOT of attention on CH200 lately...
Generally because when ever I'm picked off, it's by someone in a perk or uber ride. I don't often see them going 1 vs the horde as they so often claim.
<S>...-Gixer
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Compared to repeated staged fights in the DA.
The reason they're 'staged' is because good pilots know how to take a fight into a rolling scissor. If you run into a good pilot in the MA, the fight usually evolves in the exact same way that it would in the dueling arena. Sure, baby seals keep it fresh and interesting in the MA by doing all sorts of cute maneuvers that are entirely wrong and ineffective, but if you are looking for good fights, you'll find them on side bases in the dueling arena, not in the MA.
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Kazaa, I don't know whether to laugh at that pic or fly to the UK and kick you in the shin!
:rofl
Why on earth would you want to kick me in the shin?
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Sure, baby seals keep it fresh and interesting in the MA by doing all sorts of cute maneuvers that are entirely wrong and ineffective, but if you are looking for good fights, you'll find them on side bases in the dueling arena, not in the MA.
Two different ends of the stick.
I prefer to keep it interesting and increasing the challenge even against the seals by flying a higher eny ride,flying between bases not over them and flying solo, that's only way I've played for years now.
Flying perk rides and uber rides and trying to kill as many seals as possible as easily as possible, doesn't interest me. I know that appeals to many but never been my cup of tea. Similar deal for squads, most are in squads for obvious reasons. Me I haven't been in a squad for years simply because I prefer to be out on my own.
After playing the game for years now, the only toy in the sandpit which still has me coming back for more is the Yak T. As I find it challenging,rewarding,frustrating at times but mostly a lot of fun simply because of the 37mm. If they removed that plane from the list I'd close my account tomorrow.
DA I've done and go back to occasionally but the staged fights I lose interest no matter how good they might be.
Anyway that's my $15.
<S>...-Gixer
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I use to do the DA years ago but got bored with it. The few hours I have, I prefer to spend MA. It's the variety of fights in MA that keeps me interested, as I enjoy the search,hunt and not knowing who in what or how many is coming up next.
Compared to repeated staged fights in the DA.
I've always felt exactly opposite. I got bored chasing the same P51s, 190Ds, Typh, or using the same maneuvers to counter the same Spit16s and other turny planes. It's only when I'm dueling some skilled sticks in the DA that I get to test myself in a straight up fair fight against an abundance of different maneuvers.
To each his own. :cheers:
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I've always felt exactly opposite. I got bored chasing the same P51s, 190Ds, Typh, or using the same maneuvers to counter the same Spit16s and other turny planes. It's only when I'm dueling some skilled sticks in the DA that I get to test myself in a straight up fair fight against an abundance of different maneuvers.
To each his own. :cheers:
+1
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yup, whenever i run into a yak or g14 i know im screwed usually is Gixer and ardy