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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: SunBat on August 16, 2010, 12:10:36 PM
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How about a jousting arena? This arena will separate the skilled from the unskilled. To survive in here you will have to not only be good, you will have to be great. The arena will be strictly for jousting. I propose that each pilot air start at 5k and fly directly at the other pilot. I propose that 30k tall walls are constructed in the arena and they are placed 300 yards apart thereby forcing a genuine joust. When the two pilots meet they will fire at each other. Only one pass will be made and the player with the least amount of damage after the joust will be the winner. If both pilots take on critical damage then the first pilot to hit the ground loses. For tie breakers, films can be reviewed and bonus points can be awarded for the fewest turns taken during flight, the fastest merge speed, and holding down the trigger the longest. Points will be deducted if a white collision message is received with no orange collision message. I know the rules are kind of complicated but we will get the details sorted out eventually, after the community as a whole gets the hang of it. I proposed that I be the initial CM for the arena and I will add others to the team as is warranted and based on their merit as jousters. As the CM, I will be available to review the films for any disagreements. I will take my job very seriously.
Just food for thought, but in the future, I can run a bracket like Bald Eagle’s ACM bracket for individual jousting competitions. We can also have an SJL (Squad Jousting League) where the squad that wins will be the one with the most planes flying after the joust. It will be a requirement that if you participate in the SJL that you place your squad’s record in your signature. Just some thoughts for the future as this awesome arena concept matures...
Please discuss…. :salute
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LOL...joust, in AH terms HO. I can just see the Spixteens lined up waiting for their run. :lol
Curious, what brought this on SunBat? :headscratch:
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I'd do it. Maybe I can go 2-0 vs Mensa's 262 in a Spit 1? I'm currently 1-0 in the DA with him.
Nothing better than sending high ENY rides to the tower in a Spit 1.
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Actually, you know what? That might be kind of fun..
Do this.. make your own map... submit it for a weekly special event sort of thing, and you can CM it.
For it to be fair though, collisions would have to be turned off altogether, as lag varies so much from one person to another.
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I think it is a fantastic idea. Lets see who the best jouster in the game is.
King of the Joust
Squad Jousting League
Tri Annual Jousting Tournaments
The options are endless. :cheers:
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Curious, what brought this on SunBat? :headscratch:
I firmly believe that there is skill in the joust and the great jousters always have to share their glory with at least one other person. The community continually tries to assign honor to as many pilots as possible for a successful joust by including twice as many pilots in a successful AJM (Aerial Jousting Maneuver) than should truly receive credit. For years we have heard that “it takes two to HO”. This is not fair to the better jouster. He won; he/she shouldn’t have to share their glory with anyone. I want the true masterful jousters to rise to the top, and I don’t want anyone to share the honor. This arena will serve to accomplish this goal.
Discuss.
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As long as we can crown the winner, "King of the HOes"!
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Count me in. Idea is awesome.
Semp
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HT just said that this will be implemented tomorrHO...
Ok that seemed funny in my head, but seeing it spelled out like that made me think of hemorrHOid... not a fun thought
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Who said anything about a HO? :headscratch:
Jousting is not HOing. There is a huge difference.
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I'll bite Sunbat... Is this a rant or a for real suggestion? :headscratch:
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As long as we can crown the winner, "King of the HOes"!
We can name the PIMP of the year.
Premier Implementation of Master Pwnage
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I'd do it. Maybe I can go 2-0 vs Mensa's 262 in a Spit 1? I'm currently 1-0 in the DA with him.
Nothing better than sending high ENY rides to the tower in a Spit 1.
A few days ago ink dove on someone's 262 in an A6M2...caught him, stayed with him and killed him. He was freaking out on channel hehe.
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(http://streptos-music.noblogs.org/gallery/672/joust.jpg)
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Who said anything about a HO? :headscratch:
Jousting is not HOing. There is a huge difference.
Ok so I'll bite, based on the OP, how is a single pass head on firing on each other not a HO?
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(http://streptos-music.noblogs.org/gallery/672/joust.jpg)
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Cool game! Burnt many quarters and Saturday afternoons at an arcade playing this one... :aok
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Ok so I'll bite, based on the OP, how is a single pass head on firing on each other not a HO?
My apologies to everyone who has proposed a question or a comment. I will address them all, but due to my limited time I have to prioritize according to questions that I think reflect the silent majority that are too intimidated by the awesomeness of this suggstion to comment. Therefore, I will address Gyrene's question above second. My first answer goes to Waystin - yes, I'm serious.
The following is my answer to Gyrene's and the silent, intimidated majority's question:
A joust is not a HO and that is what people don't understand and it is yet another injustice that this arena will help to correct.
A joust requires one to vector his/her aircraft in the direction of the opponent whilst manuvering to critically wound the opponent with his/her guns at the same time placing his/her aircraft in the path of the velocity vector of the opponent's aircraft but hopefully not placing himself on a collision course with the velocity vector of the opponent's bullets. A HO is a manuever that places the opponents plane in the path of the attacker's plane for a killshot whilst positioning oneself in harms way (hopefully not - but maybe) regardless of velocity vector of the opponent's plane or bullets and the collision course they may be on with the attacker's plane.
Capice?
Discuss.
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A joust requires one to vector his/her aircraft in the direction of the opponent whilst manuvering to critically wound the opponent with his/her guns at the same time placing his/her aircraft in the path of the velocity vector of the opponent's aircraft but hopefully not placing himself on a collision course with the velocity vector of the opponent's bullets. A HO is a manuever that places the opponents plane in the path of the attacker's plane for a killshot whilst positioning oneself in harms way (hopefully not - but maybe) regardless of velocity vector of the opponent's plane or bullets and the collision course they may be on with the attacker's plane.
This.
Discuss.
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Where is the line between dogfight and HO? Just asking here. When one person is going in a southern direction "jousting" someone coming from a northern direction. How many degrees does the nose of the plane have to turn before they've gone too far? 45 degrees, 90 degree on either a horizontal or vertical path. How could this be regulated?
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Where is the line between dogfight and HO? Just asking here. When one person is going in a southern direction "jousting" someone coming from a northern direction. How many degrees does the nose of the plane have to turn before they've gone too far? 45 degrees, 90 degree on either a horizontal or vertical path. How could this be regulated?
The 30k narrow death star trench-esque walls will regulate that. Solid point Jayhawk.
Discuss.
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Gotta work with what you got.
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Gotta work with what you got.
(http://i547.photobucket.com/albums/hh473/cactuskooler/Street.jpg)
Nah, that's just a HO.
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This is a contradiction:
The following is my answer to Gyrene's and the silent, intimidated majority's question:
A joust is not a HO and that is what people don't understand and it is yet another injustice that this arena will help to correct.
A joust requires one to vector his/her aircraft in the direction of the opponent whilst manuvering to critically wound the opponent with his/her guns at the same time placing his/her aircraft in the path of the velocity vector of the opponent's aircraft but hopefully not placing himself on a collision course with the velocity vector of the opponent's bullets.
Capice?
Discuss.
Of this:
I propose that each pilot air start at 5k and fly directly at the other pilot. When the two pilots meet they will fire at each other. Only one pass will be made and the player with the least amount of damage after the joust will be the winner. If both pilots take on critical damage then the first pilot to hit the ground loses.
It's a HO match. Simply put.
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Nah, that's just a HO.
Actually, it's a duel between men. At least that's how we justified it.
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This is a contradiction:
Of this:
It's a HO match. Simply put.
No. Simply put.
There are fine distincions that I defined in my later post that I didn't go into in the original post. While it looks like a contradiction, you have to consider the finer points to see the distinction.
Just a warning here Gyrene, if you continue to fail to see the difference between a joust and a HO I will be forced to exclude you from consideration for my CM team.
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Jousting can also be a duel with your joystick. Just throwing that out there.
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Just a warning here Gyrene, if you continue to fail to see the difference between a joust and a HO I will be forced to exclude you from consideration for my CM team.
LMAO...not this time.
(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1373/1276202472_875ce2a422.jpg)
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LMAO...not this time.
(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1373/1276202472_875ce2a422.jpg)
:D It's hard to catch the same fish twice.
Anyway, seriously now, there is a difference between a HO and a joust and I'm talking about making this arena for jousting not HOing.
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Omg... do we really need to ask the difference? There is exactly zero honor in the ho.. jousting on the other hand is a centuries old custom to determine skill, poise,,bravery, and that good ole testicular fortitude. This ages old combative skill is what honor is made of! You can count me in sunbat! I look forward to meeting a worthy opponent guns blazing on this narrow prestigious battlefield!
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I'm in if I can joust in a B5n.
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Omg... do we really need to ask the difference? There is exactly zero honor in the ho.. jousting on the other hand is a centuries old custom to determine skill, poise,,bravery, and that good ole testicular fortitude. This ages old combative skill is what honor is made of!
(http://www.englishtap.com/etlw/images/read/jousting.jpg)
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Omg... do we really need to ask the difference? There is exactly zero honor in the ho.. jousting on the other hand is a centuries old custom to determine skill, poise,,bravery, and that good ole testicular fortitude. This ages old combative skill is what honor is made of!
Then you can carry a long stick on the end of your plane, I'll bring guns. :lol
Not sure how you would get this to work, especially with anything that has cannons. In the end it will be he who sets his convergence the best gets the kill.
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We used to joust in 8-player. We had a map with 2 bases, then water in between. Layed in a straight line were 20-30 bomber hangers. The entrances were on each side. Got real fun with rockets. :old:
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narrow prestigious battlefield!
I want to rename the arena to the NPB arena.
Discuss.
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I want to rename the arena to the NPB arena.
Discuss.
I like Jousting Arena better but that would be a great map name.
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so uhhhhh 2 people fly in opposite directons maybe 10 feet to the side of each other (or more) and then somebody kicks a little rudder at some point to put guns on the enemy, then lets off the rudder to avoid collision....i guess, but wont people probably just use it as a ho arena anyways?
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(http://www.englishtap.com/etlw/images/read/jousting.jpg)
Where do the horses go? Bomb Bays? :noid
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perk teh horses!
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so uhhhhh 2 people fly in opposite directons maybe 10 feet to the side of each other (or more) and then somebody kicks a little rudder at some point to put guns on the enemy, then lets off the rudder to avoid collision....i guess, but wont people probably just use it as a ho arena anyways?
Unlikely. This arena will bring out the best in people. But If someone insists on hoing, then all I will need from the victim is a film with the evidence. If I get 3 films of the same person hoing rather than jousting they will be banned from the arena for the tour.
I think that's fair.
Discuss.
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Actually, you know what? That might be kind of fun..
Do this.. make your own map... submit it for a weekly special event sort of thing, and you can CM it.
For it to be fair though, collisions would have to be turned off altogether, as lag varies so much from one person to another.
I don't know if I can pull off making my own map. I'll look into it though. I would like for the walls to be so tall that it actually looks like they come together at the top. Lighting may be a problem with that tho b/c the sun will be blotted out but that is a risk I'm willing to take cuz blotting out the sun is cool and should always be attempted whether one is in real life or cartoonland.
Collisons will have to stay on. It is a big part of the joust to successfully use your plane as a fear tactic when confronting the enemy. We will just have to live with lag just like we do with other aspects of the game.
Discuss.
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A long time ago "dueling" was more what Sun is talking about. Now the dueling arena is just a smaller MA. Ive suggested events that take place at the bottom of a volcano that would kind of do what hes saying.
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Only 3 pages? Must not be many sportsmen in this game anymore.
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Just had a guy looking for a joust over town at 22k. Too bad the field was at sea level. I was wondering if he was going to tear his wings off trying to get down to my little 109. The film starts when he finally starts coming down. Hilarity ensues: :rofl
http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?b65q23e72tqlr22
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HO: not just a state of mind, but a way of life.
:)
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We can name the PIMP of the year.
Premier Implementation of Master Pwnage
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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How about
AFOD
Arena for outstanding dweebishness
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A few days ago ink dove on someone's 262 in an A6M2...caught him, stayed with him and killed him. He was freaking out on channel hehe.
that so made my month :t
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Wow a lot of bites on this 1. Well done sun
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I loled. The OP is obviously trollin'.
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I loled. The OP is obviously trollin'.
Sunbat is cooky, but I think he is actually serious in all of this. And why wouldn't he be, his idea is grand! Especially the part about the walls being so high that they look like they come together at the top.
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What??? This is NOT a troll! I am serious. I think that Lusche has hit on another element to the arena that we should figure out how to incorporate that will almost certainly create more interest in the arena.
Damsels.
Discuss.
(http://dasmuppets.com/public/Sunbatt/jousting.jpg)
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Yes, Lusche would make a great Damsel. She could hold up charts after every round.
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LOL Gyrene.
The more I consider this idea of damsels the more I like it. We could incorporate it into the map so that a damsel can watch the joust in person. We can have the two air spawns that I have already described and right in the middle of the map in between the two air spawns, slightly off center we can have a 5k tall pedestal where Betty can spawn in in her Typhoon and watch the joust. Brilliant.
Discuss.
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LOL Gyrene.
The more I consider this idea of damsels the more I like it. We could incorporate it into the map so that a damsel can watch the joust in person. We can have the two air spawns that I have already described and right in the middle of the map in between the two air spawns, slightly off center we can have a 5k tall pedestal where Betty can spawn in in her Typhoon and watch the joust. Brilliant.
Discuss.
Orrr... HiTech could code in parachuting hotties that start parachuting down on the sides as soon you airstart and the joust begins. Shooting a damsel though should be automatic expulsion from the jousting league IMO.
Discuss please.
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That’s a good idea, Grizz but I think it may present a frame rate hit on some people with an older machine. We better not do that. Well at least at first we should leave that feature out.
I have never posted a wish before and actually don’t pay very close attention to this forum. Does anyone from HTC post and say whether or not the wish will be granted?
I can’t wait to see people on 200 settling arguments with jousts. That will be a dream come true.
Discuss.
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Does anyone from HTC post and say whether or not the wish will be granted?
Usually HiTech just comes in and posts this picture. It means that your wish is granted and he is working on it.
(http://www.heart-valve-surgery.com/Images/genie-aladdin.jpg)
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OK SunBat.. I take it all back. It's a stupid, STUPID idea.
I thought you were on to something, but when you're fighting tooth and nail to get your point across that there is a difference between hoing and jousting, when this isn't even relevant to your idea.. it just becomes harder to take you seriously.
Adding the fact that you end every post with "Discuss" just makes you look like an arrogant arse.. which means that nobody likes being around you anymore.
Now go take your narcissistic attitude and go run for president or something...
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OK SunBat.. I take it all back. It's a stupid, STUPID idea.
No way. Why do you think it is stupid?
I thought you were on to something, but when you're fighting tooth and nail to get your point across that there is a difference between hoing and jousting, when this isn't even relevant to your idea.. it just becomes harder to take you seriously.
The distinction must be made. It is critically important for the health of The Jousting Arena and subsequent Jousting leagues that the participants know the difference between the two. One is a cheap tactic taken by total noobs. The other is a timeless art that takes eons to master.
Now go take your narcissistic attitude and go run for president or something...
SunBat for President!
Please Discuss.
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No way. Why do you think it is stupid?
The distinction must be made. It is critically important for the health of The Jousting Arena and subsequent Jousting leagues that the participants know the difference between the two. One is a cheap tactic taken by total noobs. The other is a timeless art that takes eons to master.
SunBat for President!
Please Discuss.
He got me vote
discuss........
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OK SunBat.. I take it all back. It's a stupid, STUPID idea.
I thought you were on to something, but when you're fighting tooth and nail to get your point across that there is a difference between hoing and jousting, when this isn't even relevant to your idea.. it just becomes harder to take you seriously.
Adding the fact that you end every post with "Discuss" just makes you look like an arrogant arse.. which means that nobody likes being around you anymore.
Now go take your narcissistic attitude and go run for president or something...
You are certainly entitled to your opinion. I appreciate your input and will take your constructive criticism about my usage of the word “discuss” under advisement.
Even though you don’t like my idea (anymore) I do like yours and would not be offended if you felt like writing my name in on the 2012 ballot.
…ssucsid
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Whether this thread was serious or not, I have a terrain for you guys to check out. Thought it might be good for SDL. :salute
http://www.esnips.com/doc/b5a692ae-8d05-4ec9-a9ec-ba46f2d9c86d/joust
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Are the walls high enough to block out the sun?
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HAHA That other thread took every bit of 21 minutes to get locked :neener:
No I agree with the distinction being made between hoing and jousting, but this would be nearly impossible to implement. If there were a way to adjust mid-air collisions it would become easier, but as far as I know it's only on or off. All I'm saying about turning collisions off would be that it would make it so that the ONLY damage done is a result of gunfire. This would make it unnecessary to draw that distinction, and a good pilot would be able to maneuver in a way that damage to his plane would be minimized, but still getting cockpit shots on the other plane.
If you wanted to make it like a joust.. with walls and each plane staying on each side of the wall, but shooting over it... well I don't know.. I think that's just going to be a big fail. If there were some way to build a semi-transparent wall that allowed rounds to travel through it, but not planes... then that would be ideal, but I don't believe this option exists.
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Whether this thread was serious or not, I have a terrain for you guys to check out. Thought it might be good for SDL. :salute
http://www.esnips.com/doc/b5a692ae-8d05-4ec9-a9ec-ba46f2d9c86d/joust
Ranger, can u give me a 30 second tutorial on how to get this thang loaded up?
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Crap, I posted the wrong files. I posted the TE files for it. In a minute I will post the terrain .res file. When I do, simply download it, drop it into your AHIITERR folder and load it offline. Sorry for the mix up. :salute
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Here ya go:
http://myfreefilehosting.com/f/6f9f2dc381_1.26MB (http://myfreefilehosting.com/f/6f9f2dc381_1.26MB)
The walls aren't as tall as you were talking about, but that would take about 5 minutes to change.
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What? :confused:
Ranger, thanks for the clarification. I won't be able to load it up until tonight. Thanks for the help. :salute
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Are the walls high enough to block out the sun?
Doesn't matter, sun shines through the mountains anyway. :lol
Definately like Ranger's joust map as have played his offline missions, however isn't a joust arena be the same concept as a dueling arena? All you do is go to the North East corner of the map and you have 2 bases on high separated by low valley... :salute
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This thread rocks.
Discuss.
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Now go take your narcissistic attitude and go run for president or something...
Hey SunBat, if you were President, what would you use for Air Force One?
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Anyone have a copy of 1twitlo...err I mean 1Hunglo's old HO...err Jousting map that he made to practice HO's...err I mean jousting? I think it would be perfect for the Jousting arena.
Discuss...
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Hey SunBat, if you were President, what would you use for Air Force One?
I have given this question the most thought above all other issues when I realized that I will be getting a nomination to run for the Presidency. I have decided that I will require a 109-K4 painted in the Air Force One scheme for my transportation. I will be my own pilot (of course). The rest of my cabinet and entourage can travel ahead of me in that big, gay 747 and do whatever they want – I don’t care really. The rest of the Muppets will be my airborne Secret Service and they will each get an all black 262 with the canopy tinted dark black. We will be rollin’ and the rest of the world will be hatin’. Just like in AH. Boo-yeah.
Discuss.
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you got my vote.... :aok
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sunbat for president, would u paint the whitehouse black if it was ur residence?
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sunbat for president, would u paint the whitehouse black if it was ur residence?
damn thats a good idea :rock
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Does anyone want to joust my mossie?
I'm not sure about my aim in closing joust angles, but i rekon I'll have the firepower to compensate.
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If you want to do it right, do it in B-25Hs, 75mm guns only no .50 cals.
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If you want to do it right, do it in B-25Hs, 75mm guns only no .50 cals.
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Ack-Ack if you're interested I'm going to put you at the top of the list for future CM's. Posts like the one above show you understand and appreciate the art of the joust. It's just brilliant.
Karaya is my second choice because of his storied joust with Mensa. Obviously he understands te difference between a joust and a HO.
Discuss.
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Does anyone want to joust my mossie?
I'm not sure about my aim in closing joust angles, but i rekon I'll have the firepower to compensate.
I would like to. We could record the joust and post them on here so ppl could actually see the difference between a joust and a HO.
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Ranger, that is a great start. The walls should be shear and no more than 300 yards apart though. I like the clouds in the valley. That could be incorporated for a nice touch.
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sunbat for president, would u paint the whitehouse black if it was ur residence?
The Whitehouse will remain white but I'm going to have the Oval Office redone to look like the tower in AH. That way I won't be afraid to face tough challenges and 1v1's with other heads of state because I will just tell myself, "What's the big deal? If I lose it'll just be a trip to the tower and then I'll try again".
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Ack-Ack if you're interested I'm going to put you at the top of the list for future CM's. Posts like the one above show you understand and appreciate the art of the joust. It's just brilliant.
Karaya is my second choice because of his storied joust with Mensa. Obviously he understands te difference between a joust and a HO.
Discuss.
Put me on top of the list!
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:rofl you guys are ate up :rolleyes:
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I have decided that I will require a 109-K4 painted in the Air Force One scheme for my transportation. I will be my own pilot (of course).
K4ce One?
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The Whitehouse will remain white but I'm going to have the Oval Office redone to look like the tower in AH. That way I won't be afraid to face tough challenges and 1v1's with other heads of state because I will just tell myself, "What's the big deal? If I lose it'll just be a trip to the tower and then I'll try again".
Veto....the white House shall now be The Black House..... :furious
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I have given this question the most thought above all other issues when I realized that I will be getting a nomination to run for the Presidency. I have decided that I will require a 109-K4 painted in the Air Force One scheme for my transportation. I will be my own pilot (of course).
:banana:
(http://dasmuppets.com/public/Sunbatt/K4CE ONE.jpg)
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Yes Grizz. Yes. K4ce 1. LOL.
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:old: :old: If ranger ran colored ribbon/banister 20 feet wide buy 2' deep floating down the middle of his map that was suspended 50 feet off the ground. :t then each pilot could ride down with the banister on their left side, :airplane: with their wing passing over the top of it. :joystick: this would put them at the same alt and in the right range to grab a snap shot at their opponent as they closed in. :headscratch: :banana: :banana:
if your below the banister or higher than say 10' above it then you are disqualified :huh :headscratch:
if your wing tip is not over the banister before the range of 600 from your opponent then you are disqualified :huh :headscratch:
if the fuselage of your plane crosses over the banister your disqualified :huh :headscratch:
you make 3 passes (like in jousting of old) :neener: :neener: :neener: at your opponent or until one is destroyed (unhorsed) :cry if neither are destroyed at the end then each person receives 1 point per damaged part on their opponents ride. :O at the end of each pass each pilot flies to a turn around and then comes back with the banister always on their left.
ammo should be limited so there is no spraying and praying from 1000 out. say each ride has 0 BBS and no more than 30-50 cannon rounds. a quick burst in the ma is usually less than 10 rounds and that's all you really have time for per pass. :airplane: :headscratch: :joystick: :airplane:
the joust will boil down to convergence, rudder skill and knowing when to pull the trigger. most points or destroyed (unhorsed) opponent at the end of three passes wins. run video for verification by the CM that the joust was performed in accordance with the rules. :x :rock :x :airplane: :joystick: :airplane:
discuss :devil :angel: :devil
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There has been a lot of 200 Chatter recently about "HOing" and "Jousting" and I want to address the misconceptions soon. SunBat and I will be posting films that show the difference between the two so there is no misunderstanding. Stay tuned.
End Discuss until film.
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Man.. im really liking k4ce One! Does need the black planes w/ tinted canopies around though.. hehe
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After a multitude of PM’s on the BBS and in-game, Grizz and I endeavored to demonstrate the difference between a joust and a HO. Please see the film below. While we did our best to capture the nuance, there are just some things that even video cannot convey. The more refined observer will notice a difference in the background music, and we encourage you to use that as your guide. When you are merging with your joust opponent, listen to the music in the background and you will know if you are about to execute a skillful joust or just another HO.
To those that can see the distinction, here is your guide…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dX1NkrGE5c0
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Thank you for clearing that up. :D
"This one's for Betty" :lol
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A refined balance of both purity and honor. One of the most exquisite jousts I have ever witnessed.
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Something about being shot in the face is a turn off.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dX1NkrGE5c0
Bump. Discuss Please.
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Bump. Discuss Please.
so your saying :old: :old:
:airplane: :joystick: :airplane: :joystick: :airplane: :airplane: :airplane: :joystick: :eek: :eek: :cry :cry :cry :furious
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:airplane: :joystick: :airplane: :joystick: :airplane: :airplane: :airplane: :x :x :rock :rock :rock :D :D :neener: :neener:
or something like that ......right???? :headscratch: :headscratch: :headscratch: