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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: VoX on August 18, 2010, 03:23:40 PM
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:mad: Listen to the majority of your customers and put the arena cap at something realistic during Euro times (500 up) or get rid of the stupid thing! I don't know any member flying at Euro times that thinks it is a good idea! Try spending some of that money we keep giving you! :mad:
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They can't get rid of caps, tried it, didn't work, isn't good for business.
I'm gonna say that. I'm not gonna get into all the hoopla over the Euro players though...
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Go in the other arena :noid
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Wait 5 minutes, come back and it will be open.
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Wait 5 minutes, come back and it will be open.
You are kidding, aren't ya?
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You are kidding, aren't ya?
I don't remember a single time when I really wanted to get in one arena and could not, it just takes time.
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I don't remember a single time when I really wanted to get in one arena and could not, it just takes time.
Could it be you are playing at different times than us? Could it be that you hardly ever face 190/100 20/150?
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:mad: Listen to the majority of your customers and put the arena cap at something realistic during Euro times (500 up) or get rid of the stupid thing! I don't know any member flying at Euro times that thinks it is a good idea! Try spending some of that money we keep giving you! :mad:
Isn't this special stupid strikes again. If there are that many euros playing, go populate the mid war arena. But oh no's that wouldn't make sense.
You should try doing some math based on $14.95 and see how many subscribers it would take to pay the costs of operating...then go yell at the big game developers who are making millions putting out junk that people willingly pay $50 a pop for, without the benefit of massive multiplayer interaction and ~10 years of ongoing support.
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21:25 Orange Arena 138/100
21:28 Orange Arena 134/100
22:29 Orange Arena 172/100
WTF! its a joke and its all on us!
I don't remember a single time when I really wanted to get in one arena and could not, it just takes time.
And how the hell are you supposed to fly as a squad if u scattered all over the place, such BS
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Isn't this special stupid strikes again. If there are that many euros playing, go populate the mid war arena. But oh no's that wouldn't make sense.
Gyrene, you need a lesson in economics mate, Customer is annoyed cos he is not getting what he is paying for, if I want to fly in the mid I would cos thats always at 20/100 u buffoon! Cos I have friends in here and am a member of a squad i naturally want to fly with them.
You should try doing some math based on $14.95 and see how many subscribers it would take to pay the costs of operating...then go yell at the big game developers who are making millions putting out junk that people willingly pay $50 a pop for, without the benefit of massive multiplayer interaction and ~10 years of ongoing support.
I work on an MPLS network with over a 1000 users on it within the aerospace industry, I know the cost of running leased lines, you are most obviously doing something outside of the IT industry, if HTC have a set of accounts available for us all to have a look at then the above statement might hold some water, until then don't try arse kissing around an economical subject that you obviously do not have a clue what you are spouting about.
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Gyrene, you need a lesson in economics mate, Customer is annoyed cos he is not getting what he is paying for, if I want to fly in the mid I would cos thats always at 20/100 u buffoon! Cos I have friends in here and am a member of a squad i naturally want to fly with them.
Tell your butties to fly midwar with you, problem solved.
I work on an MPLS network with over a 1000 users on it within the aerospace industry, I know the cost of running leased lines, you are most obviously doing something outside of the IT industry, if HTC have a set of accounts available for us all to have a look at then the above statement might hold some water, until then don't try arse kissing around an economical subject that you obviously do not have a clue what you are spouting about.
Obviously you are not in the IT industry nor do you have an inkling of anything business related, because it's not lease lines to which I referred. In case it escaped you in your haste to appear to have some intellect, HTC is not an ISP. The business end to which I referred is the cost of salaries, office, servers, utilities, office equipment, taxes, etc... all part of being a small business. Again, do the math.
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Isn't this special stupid strikes again. If there are that many euros playing, go populate the mid war arena. But oh no's that wouldn't make sense.
You should try doing some math based on $14.95 and see how many subscribers it would take to pay the costs of operating...then go yell at the big game developers who are making millions putting out junk that people willingly pay $50 a pop for, without the benefit of massive multiplayer interaction and ~10 years of ongoing support.
You don't have a clue....he does have a valid issue....Im in the US and know that this happens alot.
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Isn't this special stupid strikes again. If there are that many euros playing, go populate the mid war arena. But oh no's that wouldn't make sense.
You should try doing some math based on $14.95 and see how many subscribers it would take to pay the costs of operating...then go yell at the big game developers who are making millions putting out junk that people willingly pay $50 a pop for, without the benefit of massive multiplayer interaction and ~10 years of ongoing support.
VoX has a very valid point.
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Euro players do get the shaft...
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Tell your butties to fly midwar with you, problem solved.
sarcasm starts:
tell you friends to join a game where sometimes you can fly against hundred's of players, if you are willing to wait. or go to midwar bring 3 friends and you will be the majority.
Sarcasm ends.
But seriously it is frustrating, to come home at cant join your squadies. I am lucky enough that our squad will change arenas to join the single member that cannot get in. But I will not ask them to switch and join me on an arena that has no fights.
Obviously you are not in the IT industry nor do you have an inkling of anything business related, because it's not lease lines to which I referred. In case it escaped you in your haste to appear to have some intellect, HTC is not an ISP. The business end to which I referred is the cost of salaries, office, servers, utilities, office equipment, taxes, etc... all part of being a small business. Again, do the math.
what does this has to do with arena caps?
Euro players do get the shaft...
I am in California and sometimes i feel I get the shaft.
semp
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:mad: Listen to the majority of your customers and put the arena cap at something realistic during Euro times (500 up) or get rid of the stupid thing! I don't know any member flying at Euro times that thinks it is a good idea! Try spending some of that money we keep giving you! :mad:
VoX has a very valid point.
Bold underlined text, no he doesn't. Is the arena caps a pita sometimes? Yes, especially for the euro players but they are not the majority of the players, the majority of the players are not complaining and the arena caps have nothing to do with the fees we pay to play.
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what does this has to do with arena caps?
semp
Response to this:
I work on an MPLS network with over a 1000 users on it within the aerospace industry, I know the cost of running leased lines, you are most obviously doing something outside of the IT industry, if HTC have a set of accounts available for us all to have a look at then the above statement might hold some water, until then don't try arse kissing around an economical subject that you obviously do not have a clue what you are spouting about.
Has nothing to do with arena caps.
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like talkin to one of those mr know it alls....and common sense or or polite dialog isn't in them at all.....
Done with ya.....I have talked to TONS online and there are tons of threads with people having the same prob as VOX.....because you say it isn't a problem doesn't make it so.
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the majority of the players are not complaining and the arena caps have nothing to do with the fees we pay to play.
this is so wrong, the majority of players do complain about it, but decided long time ago that it wont change so they gave up. giving a choice most players will join the arena with the most numbers, so you think if they get second choice, they'll be just as satisfied?
semp
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this is so wrong, the majority of players do complain about it, but decided long time ago that it wont change so they gave up. giving a choice most players will join the arena with the most numbers, so you think if they get second choice, they'll be just as satisfied?
semp
I can only go by what I see in the forums. Most all of us know there are a very large number of players who either do not look in the forums or limit their forum participation to specific areas outside of the general discussions. So doing an advanced search with the key words "arena caps" and having the search be conducted by the subject line so as to eliminate other discussions involving arena caps (i.e. ideas on how to improve the implementation or what have you) the exact number of gripe discussions started in the General Discussions forum alone since arena caps were started is...11.
The number of people who have been actively posting complaints since the inception of arena caps is approximately 30 from 2006 forward to now...again only in the General Discussions forum.
Now for those who have not found it nor taken the time to search for it, here is what Pyro posted in 2006 about arena caps with the ensuing 41 pages of discussion...if you have the time, it's a good educational read:
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,187226.msg2168845.html#msg2168845 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,187226.msg2168845.html#msg2168845)
Now I do not disagree that arena caps are a problem, more for some than others. I have experienced it a few times myself, but rather than ranting like a 2 year old deprived of a sucker from mommy at the grocery store, I found it was just as easy to log in to a different arena for an hour or so and try again later. When you're flying around getting into sporadic fights, the time goes quickly.
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Some people dont have an 'hour or so' to hang around, Gyrene. I think your assumptions based on a USA time zone experience have little importance in this debate.
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Gyrene, stop being a salamander. Thank you.
Your experience is VERY different from the Euro experience. I pretty much flew early Euro times when I lived in Hawaii, so I know where he is coming from. It's miserable when the caps are so bad you cannot get into one arena where you have 5 or 6 squad members, the other late war has NO action at all no matter what base you try to troll up, and you don't want to go mid-war. We KNOW HTC can change the caps at will. They do it for titanic tuesday. Why not open them up a little more for the Euros? It's not really going to cost anything extra just to change a piece of coad.
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Gyrene, stop being a salamander. Thank you.
Your experience is VERY different from the Euro experience. I pretty much flew early Euro times when I lived in Hawaii, so I know where he is coming from. It's miserable when the caps are so bad you cannot get into one arena where you have 5 or 6 squad members, the other late war has NO action at all no matter what base you try to troll up, and you don't want to go mid-war. We KNOW HTC can change the caps at will. They do it for titanic tuesday. Why not open them up a little more for the Euros? It's not really going to cost anything extra just to change a piece of coad.
+1
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any one who plays in the after noon in the usa or late morning, experiences the arena especially when it turns on and everyone who isnt loged on the the first arena are all forced to go in to an arena that is barely populated....how is this a business decision....are we really to believe that the game is that much more out of control when alot of people are their, versus when only a few are in the arena. all it takes is one person to cause trouble. contrary to what the game developers think....denying players the experience they paid for just to minimize swear words and other behavior is HARDLY WORTH IT....
and when my mouse icon disappears (and no it wasnt because i pressed the N key) I had to close and restart my game (alt f4) and they open blue arena, which has 7 people....so now what can i do sit around while my plane flys autopilot for find a fight??? but with TT i can log off get some things done and still be confidant that i will be able to log into that arena in an hour.
If they are going to use two arenas just have them both open at all times with no cap and let the players decide where they want to go...instead of forcing players to log into an unpopulated server, because this is not what we pay for. I can go play by myself in offline for free, but thats no fun so I choose to pay and play with other human users.
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Some people dont have an 'hour or so' to hang around, Gyrene. I think your assumptions based on a USA time zone experience have little importance in this debate.
Sooo...are you saying it's ok to throw a childish temper tantrum about something that has been discussed in these forums ad nauseum, with actual evidence that shows only a small number of the overall population actually experience the issue on a regular basis and in spite of what information HTC has regarding their business decision 4 years ago?
Almost sounds contradictory to your fanboi post:
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,295151.0.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,295151.0.html)
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I can only go by what I see in the forums. Most all of us know there are a very large number of players who either do not look in the forums or limit their forum participation to specific areas outside of the general discussions. So doing an advanced search with the key words "arena caps" and having the search be conducted by the subject line so as to eliminate other discussions involving arena caps (i.e. ideas on how to improve the implementation or what have you) the exact number of gripe discussions started in the General Discussions forum alone since arena caps were started is...11.
The number of people who have been actively posting complaints since the inception of arena caps is approximately 30 from 2006 forward to now...again only in the General Discussions forum.
Now for those who have not found it nor taken the time to search for it, here is what Pyro posted in 2006 about arena caps with the ensuing 41 pages of discussion...if you have the time, it's a good educational read:
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,187226.msg2168845.html#msg2168845 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,187226.msg2168845.html#msg2168845)
Now I do not disagree that arena caps are a problem, more for some than others. I have experienced it a few times myself, but rather than ranting like a 2 year old deprived of a sucker from mommy at the grocery store, I found it was just as easy to log in to a different arena for an hour or so and try again later. When you're flying around getting into sporadic fights, the time goes quickly.
I like to play before going to work for an hour or two. I work at 2 pm pst. I gave up long time ago trying to log at that time, since there was one arena with about 200 and another with 1/4 of that. Now i could go to the arena with low numbers and pork bases to up my scores (which is a personal joke to me) or play pogo. you really want to find how how caps are loved/disliked/dont care, ask on country chanel, or even dare to go on 200. I bet my girlfriend's dog, that most people hate them even more than they hate eny.
which reminds me why in the heck there's an arena cap at 11 pm pst, that's like 2 am on the east coast and in europe is like the next day.
and not to insult/embarrass ah but this is from their site.
Accurate flight modeling of over 95 aircraft, vehicles, and boats from around the world.
sure all planes flew at full speed with 1/2 a wing and could fully outturn a fly with 1/2 the tail missing in ww2.
Fight against hundreds of real players from around the world.
as long as the caps havent been enebled.
semp
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I can only go by what I see in the forums. Most all of us know there are a very large number of players who either do not look in the forums or limit their forum participation to specific areas outside of the general discussions. So doing an advanced search with the key words "arena caps" and having the search be conducted by the subject line so as to eliminate other discussions involving arena caps (i.e. ideas on how to improve the implementation or what have you) the exact number of gripe discussions started in the General Discussions forum alone since arena caps were started is...11.
The number of people who have been actively posting complaints since the inception of arena caps is approximately 30 from 2006 forward to now...again only in the General Discussions forum.
Now for those who have not found it nor taken the time to search for it, here is what Pyro posted in 2006 about arena caps with the ensuing 41 pages of discussion...if you have the time, it's a good educational read:
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,187226.msg2168845.html#msg2168845 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,187226.msg2168845.html#msg2168845)
Now I do not disagree that arena caps are a problem, more for some than others. I have experienced it a few times myself, but rather than ranting like a 2 year old deprived of a sucker from mommy at the grocery store, I found it was just as easy to log in to a different arena for an hour or so and try again later. When you're flying around getting into sporadic fights, the time goes quickly.
This is a quote from pyro
“We made this change because it will allow us to support an unlimited amount of players in a much healthier online environment that gives us better long-term growth. The single MA has grown to the point of being unhealthy. This is not a subjective evaluation, it is quantifiable and they are numbers that we look at every day. It’s obvious that we simply cannot keep pumping more players into a single arena without hitting a stagnation point”
The part I have a problem understanding is the following: “The single MA has grown to the point of being unhealthy” I just don’t understand what that statement means. Are the quantifiable numbers he is referring to subscriptions?
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Me thinks gyrene is on the HTC payroll... :angel:
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Sooo...are you saying it's ok to throw a childish temper tantrum about something that has been discussed in these forums ad nauseum, with actual evidence that shows only a small number of the overall population actually experience the issue on a regular basis and in spite of what information HTC has regarding their business decision 4 years ago?
Almost sounds contradictory to your fanboi post:
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,295151.0.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,295151.0.html)
Almost sounds or does sound?
To me it looks like all I did here was make the distinction that your experiences with the arena caps during US time zone makes your opinion on someone else's opinion during Euro time zone not very important. Simples!
Nothing personal, although you are acting like a bit of a sweetheart in this thread :D
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Almost sounds or does sound?
To me it looks like all I did here was make the distinction that your experiences with the arena caps during US time zone makes your opinion on someone else's opinion during Euro time zone not very important. Simples!
Nothing personal, although you are acting like a bit of a sweetheart in this thread :D
Almost sounds...
You make erroneous assumptions about my experiences. I telecommute on Mondays, and it's usually slow on those days so I have plenty of time and enough computers to multitask. Yes, I see the arena caps hit and affect people yet strangely enough those who don't stomp around like little children inevitably find themselves having fun. It's an amazing sight. So, what is it that bothers you about my attitude here, the fact that I point out the childish rants like the OP or the fact that I ridicule the childish rants?
Just so there is no further erroneous ASSumptions from reading comprehension disabilities (seems to be an epidemic)...I never said I didn't have an issue with the arena caps. I just choose to handle the issue in a more adult manner.
The part I have a problem understanding is the following: “The single MA has grown to the point of being unhealthy” I just don’t understand what that statement means. Are the quantifiable numbers he is referring to subscriptions?
From what I've discerned looking at old discussions, the issue was part behavior and part over crowding. HTC has repeatedly stated they have stats on what all was going on prior to the arena splits and implementation of caps. In 4 years Lusche is the first one to propose a change that HTC appeared to be considering a few months back.
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I said I thought your opinion was not important on euro time zones, that is all, yet you're still here trying to tempt me into....what....I don't even know what you want to argue with me about.
Is it really just my low evaluation of your opinion on euro timezones that brings this out in you or is there some other issue that I have missed?
I tell you what you are doing man, you're running round like a headless chicken in this thread turning molehills into mountains. For what?
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Sorry Mechanic...the OP is a molehill regardless any points on the planet.
Game, set, match, end of story.
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:mad: Listen to the majority of your customers and put the arena cap at something realistic during Euro times (500 up) or get rid of the stupid thing! I don't know any member flying at Euro times that thinks it is a good idea! Try spending some of that money we keep giving you! :mad:
Somebody needs a Midol. Jeez! Try talking to them like ya at least like the game a little & that they do a lot for us, which they do. Thanks HTC! or you can get mad and quit and go gripe some where else with your Mad face emoticons. For 14.95 a month you don't get a "All your wishes come true" guarantee. :cry
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you have to take into account yesterday was worse than normal because skuzzy forgot to take off TT.
He eventually did it around 20:30 GMT when usually the caps kick in at 18:00, hence there being 250/100 and 5/150 however it did only take around an hour to straighten out. As a result it did kill all of the fun/action in Orange as if someone just strangled the life out of what was a fun furball :cry
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Sorry Mechanic...the OP is a molehill regardless any points on the planet.
exactly, so why ya makin a mountain out of it?
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exactly, so why ya makin a mountain out of it?
Seems you and 4 other people including the OP have been trying to make it into a mountain, not me. Try reading from the beginning again.
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Gyrene, stop being a salamander. Thank you.
Your experience is VERY different from the Euro experience. I pretty much flew early Euro times when I lived in Hawaii, so I know where he is coming from. It's miserable when the caps are so bad you cannot get into one arena where you have 5 or 6 squad members, the other late war has NO action at all no matter what base you try to troll up, and you don't want to go mid-war. We KNOW HTC can change the caps at will. They do it for titanic tuesday. Why not open them up a little more for the Euros? It's not really going to cost anything extra just to change a piece of coad.
Sorry, but another reason I hate T.T. one hairball after another, vulching fields, bad manners stealing kills, way too crowded, and they won't spread out on their own. They could, but all those red dots are a magnet. And instead of upping at a base a sector away and getting alt to attempt a good fight all the hairball is 2-3K over the outnumbered field. I guess I you like that, it's OK for you, but not my bag baby! :joystick:
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As a result it did kill all of the fun/action in Orange as if someone just strangled the life out of what was a fun furball :cry
This is a main result of the caps even when they start earlier. It's not only that the only open LW arena has very low initial numbers, it also strangles the battles in Orange - When it was around 200 Players, we had at least one large and several small battles going, when numbers went low towards 100, there was only a occasional minor darbar here & there, and about half players sitting in tower.
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Seems you and 4 other people including the OP have been trying to make it into a mountain, not me. Try reading from the beginning again.
Er....no. You just wanted an argument/debate to show off your obviously extended arguing/debating skills yet again and are now turning on me through lack of a better target.
You attiude in this quote alone shows you were here for nothing but your own victory, whatever that victory might be for you. Congrats.
Game, set, match, end of story.
But nothing has changed since i posted my opinion on your opinion. I still don't consider your opinion on flying in euro timezones worth poop.
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Er....no. You just wanted an argument/debate to show off your obviously extended arguing/debating skills yet again and are now turning on me through lack of a better target.
You attiude in this quote alone shows you were here for nothing but your own victory, whatever that victory might be for you. Congrats.
But nothing has changed since i posted my opinion on your opinion. I still don't consider your opinion on flying in euro timezones worth poop.
And yet you keep returning with the diatribe. You must be trying to convince yourself of something.
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You have acheived greatness of untold proportions in the this thread so far, I do not deny this. But you have failed to make me see why your opinion on flying in euro time zones should matter to me or anyone. So to be honest I do not feel that our encounter here has made it past my first post yet. All posts by me since that moment have been an attempt to explain my possition more clearly to you. But alas, I am failing.
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Sorry, live here in the Michigan and although the caps can be annoying, I do not see any other purpose than used to coral oncoming players into different arenas which may have low numbers. If I wanted to go into the blueLW, (or any other arena), I would go into that arena. It can't be a resource issue, as how can you have no cap on Titanic Tuesday? If it is a resource issue, then fine, put it at 300 or whatever and leave it there. Has there ever been a reasonable response as to why these caps are even necessary? :salute
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Has there ever been a reasonable response as to why these caps are even necessary? :salute
Depends on your definition of "reasonable"...the responses haven't changed much...happy reading:
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,187226.msg2168845.html#msg2168845 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,187226.msg2168845.html#msg2168845)
You have acheived greatness of untold proportions in the this thread so far, I do not deny this. But you have failed to make me see why your opinion on flying in euro time zones should matter to me or anyone. So to be honest I do not feel that our encounter here has made it past my first post yet. All posts by me since that moment have been an attempt to explain my possition more clearly to you. But alas, I am failing.
(http://www.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/1785860/2/istockphoto_1785860-hook-line-and-sinker.jpg)
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Hah! Brilliant move, so original and cleary so accurate.
I did not realise you were that desperate already.
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Hah! Brilliant move, so original and cleary so accurate.
I did not realise you were that desperate already.
Ok, so it's getting more obvious that you have a reading comprehension problem or, do not know the definition of the word opinion, or both. Either way you are attempting to persist with an uneducated opinion. First thing you need to do is actually read my posts and find anywhere that yours truly posted an opinion on european players.
I said I thought your opinion was not important on euro time zones, that is all, yet you're still here trying to tempt me into....what....I don't even know what you want to argue with me about.
Is it really just my low evaluation of your opinion on euro timezones that brings this out in you or is there some other issue that I have missed?
Next time, try poking at someone with a lower IQ, you might be successful.
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Ok, so it's getting more obvious that you have a reading comprehension problem or, do not know the definition of the word opinion, or both. Either way you are attempting to persist with an uneducated opinion. First thing you need to do is actually read my posts and find anywhere that yours truly posted an opinion on european players.
Who said anything about european players? We was talking about european timezones, remember? Sure it's me that needs reading comprehension skills?
But seeing as you asked, this is a particularly selfish opinion you had on euro players:
Is the arena caps a pita sometimes? Yes, especially for the euro players but they are not the majority of the players, the majority of the players are not complaining...
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Next time, try poking at someone with a lower IQ, you might be successful.
Successful at what? Making them understand my opinion on their opinion?
I think it's pretty clear I need to converse with someone of at least double your inteligence to stand any chance of explaining that complex situation.
I would not normaly grace someone with another reply after they pull the 'I was fishing' retreat. Geuss you must be special.
Better luck with your next 'fish'...
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gyrene,
your argument is flawed because you have based it on your own deluded opinion.
Fact 1. Caps appear not to be based on any other reason other than to stear people into low content arenas. How can it be anything different? The reason for this maybe Server loading, but I doubt your knowledge extends this far!
Fact 2. This differs at Euro Time than at USA time, do you pay more than anyone in Europe?
Fact 3. We do not know how much money:-
1. The hosted services cost HTC, if at all hosted?
2. The cost of the Leased Lines. (And yes there will be leased lines, you are showing your ineptitude thinking they are reserved for ISP's)
3. What the TCO of the product to the business is. (I am sure you can Google that one, moron!)
Fact 4. You have hijacked this thread to be a hero in your own lunch time to HTC instead of thinking about the thread in a rational manner and its aim to improve the experience for a vast number of players.
Your IQ I suspect is ALOT lower than mine as you keep opening your mouth and removing any doubt. :aok
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Fact 1. Caps appear not to be based on any other reason other than to stear people into low content arenas. How can it be anything different? The reason for this maybe Server loading, but I doubt your knowledge extends this far!
Incorrect unless you're implying that Pryo was lying to us when he posted why they implemented split arenas and caps.
ack-ack
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mechanic:1
forum snob:0
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Ok Ok...let's get things in context here....Caps in US time zone you still have hundreds of players logging in to fill up the arenas....The times that these guys are talking about is late morning early afternoon....yes the servers are going to start to get busy but at the point of switch there is usually not enough players between the 2 arenas to make up a cap of 100 per arena let alone what they set it to.....give it another hour or so and there will be many more logging in and the cap will work well in spreading the load whilst still allowing a good time to be found by all...even the milking base takers need some form of support from fellow countrymen just in case they get bounced by the one or two others who are on also
On average it takes between 1 and 1 1/2 hours for the arenas to fill to the capacity required to trip the switch and open up both arenas... and that 1 - 1 1/2 hours is sloooowwww because people come and go after looking at the map and seeing 1 dot on dar.....or as it gets up to 30 players maybe 3 dots and a flashing Vbase or 2.... (holiday time excluded
So just to Recap...US timezone cap = still plenty of players in both arenas for a decent time
preemptive US time zone cap = slow time for the other people who play in the world
yes there are other places beyond the US borders :D
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Gyrene, if my joust wish roused an urge in you to compete with me to see who could make a bigger bellybutton out of themselves on the BBS this week, congratulations, you win.
Discuss.
P.S. Euro players get a raw deal. There is no doubt about it.
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Gyrene, if my joust wish roused an urge in you to compete with me to see who could make a bigger bellybutton out of themselves on the BBS this week, congratulations, you win.
Discuss.
P.S. Euro players get a raw deal. There is no doubt about it.
No Sunbat, it's just that once again stupid strikes where you least expect it. Not once have I said throughout this entire thing that Euro players are not affected by the arena caps, however for some reason the plethora of 1d10ts have ASSumed due to a lack of reading skills that somewhere in here I did. So let's recap shall we? Just for those who have an issue with reading comprehension...
Start with the OP:
:mad: Listen to the majority of your customers and put the arena cap at something realistic during Euro times (500 up) or get rid of the stupid thing! I don't know any member flying at Euro times that thinks it is a good idea! Try spending some of that money we keep giving you! :mad:
Response #1:
Isn't this special stupid strikes again. If there are that many euros playing, go populate the mid war arena. But oh no's that wouldn't make sense.
You should try doing some math based on $14.95 and see how many subscribers it would take to pay the costs of operating...then go yell at the big game developers who are making millions putting out junk that people willingly pay $50 a pop for, without the benefit of massive multiplayer interaction and ~10 years of ongoing support.
Response #2:
Tell your butties to fly midwar with you, problem solved.
Obviously you are not in the IT industry nor do you have an inkling of anything business related, because it's not lease lines to which I referred. In case it escaped you in your haste to appear to have some intellect, HTC is not an ISP. The business end to which I referred is the cost of salaries, office, servers, utilities, office equipment, taxes, etc... all part of being a small business. Again, do the math.
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Bold underlined text, no he doesn't. Is the arena caps a pita sometimes? Yes, especially for the euro players but they are not the majority of the players, the majority of the players are not complaining and the arena caps have nothing to do with the fees we pay to play.
Response #4:
Response to this:
Has nothing to do with arena caps.
And end with response #5:
I can only go by what I see in the forums. Most all of us know there are a very large number of players who either do not look in the forums or limit their forum participation to specific areas outside of the general discussions. So doing an advanced search with the key words "arena caps" and having the search be conducted by the subject line so as to eliminate other discussions involving arena caps (i.e. ideas on how to improve the implementation or what have you) the exact number of gripe discussions started in the General Discussions forum alone since arena caps were started is...11.
The number of people who have been actively posting complaints since the inception of arena caps is approximately 30 from 2006 forward to now...again only in the General Discussions forum.
Now for those who have not found it nor taken the time to search for it, here is what Pyro posted in 2006 about arena caps with the ensuing 41 pages of discussion...if you have the time, it's a good educational read:
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,187226.msg2168845.html#msg2168845 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,187226.msg2168845.html#msg2168845)
Now I do not disagree that arena caps are a problem, more for some than others. I have experienced it a few times myself, but rather than ranting like a 2 year old deprived of a sucker from mommy at the grocery store, I found it was just as easy to log in to a different arena for an hour or so and try again later. When you're flying around getting into sporadic fights, the time goes quickly.
Now that it's all on one page for the reading impaired, where did I once post anything that even insinuates an opinion or assumption that the players in European time zones don't get affected by the arena caps?
Or did I suddenly change my forum ID to MachFly?
Wait 5 minutes, come back and it will be open.
I don't remember a single time when I really wanted to get in one arena and could not, it just takes time.
Perhaps I'm MilesObrian...
any one who plays in the after noon in the usa or late morning, experiences the arena especially when it turns on and everyone who isnt loged on the the first arena are all forced to go in to an arena that is barely populated....
mechanic:0
forum snob:10
Fixed...
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It's because of this I'm thankful for real life limiting my amount of AH game time.
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Just for those who have an issue with reading comprehension...
Speaking of reading comprehension, being the supreme intellect around here you should know (and therefore practice) that it is exceedingly important not to start with preconceived notions when you read a piece of writing. You assumed that my stating that you were being an bellybutton had to do with what you wrote. I was referring to how you wrote your responses. I'll leave it at that.
Can I get some +1's?
Also, my postscript was simply expressing my agreement with the OP and had nothing to do with you. Another incorrect assumption.
You fail.
Discuss.
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You assumed that my stating that you were being an bellybutton had to do with what you wrote.
I made no such assumption sir. Quite the contrary actually.
Shall we discuss the presumptuous assumptions, especially regarding your erroneous perception of my responses being directed to your post script?
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Has there ever been a reasonable response as to why these caps are even necessary? :salute
At least a billion times ... it appears you missed the above post and a quote from Pyro ... this is the only reasonable response that is needed and official ...
This is a quote from pyro ...
“We made this change because it will allow us to support an unlimited amount of players in a much healthier online environment that gives us better long-term growth. The single MA has grown to the point of being unhealthy. This is not a subjective evaluation, it is quantifiable and they are numbers that we look at every day. It's obvious that we simply cannot keep pumping more players into a single arena without hitting a stagnation point”
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Fact 1. Caps appear not to be based on any other reason other than to stear people into low content arenas. How can it be anything different? The reason for this maybe Server loading, but I doubt your knowledge extends this far!
Fail ... server loading has nothing to do with it ... read above ^^^^
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No Sunbat, it's just that once again stupid strikes where you least expect it. Not once have I said throughout this entire thing that Euro players are not affected by the arena caps, however for some reason the plethora of 1d10ts have ASSumed due to a lack of reading skills that somewhere in here I did. So let's recap shall we? Just for those who have an issue with reading comprehension...
No, but what you do is snob in on your high horse and spew empty rhetoric about Euro players banning together and filling up vacant arenas like MW as if they are some sort of collective group that logs on and communicates together. And not only that, but you habitually belittle very intelligent posters on this board with condescending comments in some sort of attempt to establish your intellectual superiority over them. Your attitude makes me want to ralph all over my new shoes.
Can I get some +1's?
+1
SunBat 2012
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The part I have a problem understanding is the following: “The single MA has grown to the point of being unhealthy” I just don’t understand what that statement means. Are the quantifiable numbers he is referring to subscriptions?
Unhealthy in that context ... Too people/players in a limited amount of space gets over-saturated and people start to get nasty with each other ... which from what understood was driving new (and older) players away from the game ... most importantly, the new players. Subscriptions were either falling off and/or were stagnant. Once the arena caps were put in place ... the subscriber base began to grow again ... growing subscriber base = $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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Fact 4. You have hijacked this thread to be a hero in your own lunch time to HTC instead of thinking about the thread in a rational manner and its aim to improve the experience for a vast number of players.
Your point is valid but your delivery in your original post plainly ... sucked.
You want HTC to read the context of this thread in a rational manner yet your OP is no where near rational and would be what I would consider insulting. If I were Dale and I read that post, I would have hit the page back button and completely ignored this thread.
Take a lesson from Lusche on how to broach a subject such as this ... he is already trying to carry the torch for the Euros ... best to let him continue.
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Sooo...are you saying it's ok to throw a childish temper tantrum about something that has been discussed in these forums ad nauseum, with actual evidence that shows only a small number of the overall population actually experience the issue on a regular basis and in spite of what information HTC has regarding their business decision 4 years ago?
Almost sounds contradictory to your fanboi post:
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,295151.0.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,295151.0.html)
You are an idiot "childish temper" for making a wishlist request....wow typical a hole post arent you one of those people that like to criticize every single wishlist post regardless of how justified it is....Lets recap you are the idiot who pays for a game just to wait an hour or two, to be able to enjoy it???? Sounds like the only idiot here is you since you actually waste your time waiting, while the rest of us just have to give up on trying to use the service we paid for, and get on with our day, while you sit their and waste your time.
and the reason they give for adding arena caps is because they say that more people means more trolls or something. Yet their are trolls in servers with less than 100 people. and at times with large populations their are no issues with the social aspect of the game. and to say their is correlation between more people and unrest, is stupid at best....i think the devs got the correlation versus causation mixed up...and that they were losing business, even tho i dont know any players who would make a choice on whether to play this game or not based on not having arena caps.
limiting players play time, to limit the amount of swears on a game that adults play on is foolish at best. let the players decide where they want to play and with who...make a server with a small map and a corresponding player limit and have a larger map with a larger limit...and the player will decide where to go.
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You are an idiot "childish temper" for making a wishlist request....wow typical a hole post arent you one of those people that like to criticize every single wishlist post regardless of how justified it is....Lets recap you are the idiot who pays for a game just to wait an hour or two, to be able to enjoy it???? Sounds like the only idiot here is you since you actually waste your time waiting, while the rest of us just have to give up on trying to use the service we paid for, and get on with our day, while you sit their and waste your time.
Lost without a clue. Obvious problem with reading written english. Try reading through again Einstein, only this time with your eyes open and your brain engaged.
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I think a couple guys ought to meet somewhere & put the gloves on. In the service back 30+ years ago if you were caught in a sh-t throwing disrespect match or fighting you got told to put the gloves on or shut-up. This seemed to stop all the Loud Mouths Punks. Bad? not sure.... :old:
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its 9:30 pm pst arena are capped as followed.
orange 176/100
blue 98/150
I can see how removing cap on orange can be so toxic for the community. there's hardly a furball at blue. really sad, we have to put up with this.
semp
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its 9:30 pm pst arena are capped as followed.
orange 176/100
blue 98/150
I can see how removing cap on orange can be so toxic for the community. there's hardly a furball at blue. really sad, we have to put up with this.
semp
different time of day semp....give it another 12 hours and this is the cap period that is the problem....
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Incorrect unless you're implying that Pryo was lying to us when he posted why they implemented split arenas and caps.
ack-ack
I agree it's not the reason stated by pyro, his reason was something about creating a healthy gaming environment, whatever that means, however, it is the only function of the CAPs. That's what CAPs do, is to steer people wishing to play in a late war arena to the arena with the lowest total numbers. without regard to how that total number is split between the different countries within that arena. Which at times has lead to really loop sided play.
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and to say their is correlation between more people and unrest, is stupid at best
So let's get this straight ... you are calling HiTech and Pyro ... stupid ?
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Here's something I've always wondered....why not just close the LW blue arena down after U.S. prime time? It seems like a simple thing to do and would get around the cap problem. Open LW blue from 12 noon to 12 midnight for instance. Why would this not work? :headscratch:
I'd hate to see us lose our euro players because of something as silly as arena caps. They are fantastic competition and they add to the realism for me. :)
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and the reason they give for adding arena caps is because they say that more people means more trolls or something.
that is not the reason, as far as I can remember. hitech got into more detail about the "unhealthy" aspect some time back (i need to start saving everything the staff posts here).. IIRC it had to do with the more players in an arena, the less important each player (especially a new player) becomes, they do not feel needed or part of the group, and new players were not sticking around because of it. his business stopped growing.. they put the caps on, and new players started staying.. growth resumed.
someone can definately correct me if I am remembering incorrectly.
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that's pretty much it Kvuo. :aok
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Start with the OP:
Quote from: VoX on August 18, 2010, 03:23:40 PM
Listen to the majority of your customers and put the arena cap at something realistic during Euro times (500 up) or get rid of the stupid thing! I don't know any member flying at Euro times that thinks it is a good idea! Try spending some of that money we keep giving you!
Response #1:
Quote from: gyrene81 on August 18, 2010, 04:33:04 PM
Isn't this special stupid strikes again. If there are that many euros playing, go populate the mid war arena. But oh no's that wouldn't make sense.
Gyrene why do you insists on opening a discussion with a personal attack?
In this war of words, I do think you fired the first shot, at least as evidenced by your posts.
Respons #3:
Quote from: gyrene81 on August 18, 2010, 05:46:53 PM
“the majority of the players are not complaining”
On what do you base that statement? Did you conduct a servey? Review every post on the BB or request information from HT? Do you have any fact based information that supports that statement?
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Gyrene why do you insists on opening a discussion with a personal attack?
In this war of words, I do think you fired the first shot, at least as evidenced by your posts.
Some people just make it easy...childish uneducated rants don't deserve a modicum of respect. Had the OP been more mature, there would have been no comment.
On what do you base that statement? Did you conduct a servey? Review every post on the BB or request information from HT? Do you have any fact based information that supports that statement?
Actually,so it's clear the OP specifically stated "listen to the majority of your customers..." so, I did a forum search as stated here:
I can only go by what I see in the forums. Most all of us know there are a very large number of players who either do not look in the forums or limit their forum participation to specific areas outside of the general discussions. So doing an advanced search with the key words "arena caps" and having the search be conducted by the subject line so as to eliminate other discussions involving arena caps (i.e. ideas on how to improve the implementation or what have you) the exact number of gripe discussions started in the General Discussions forum alone since arena caps were started is...11.
The number of people who have been actively posting complaints since the inception of arena caps is approximately 30 from 2006 forward to now...again only in the General Discussions forum.
Now, if the 50 or 60 people who actively post in these forums is the majority...it's doubtful there would be an arena cap problem.
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Here's something I've always wondered....why not just close the LW blue arena down after U.S. prime time? It seems like a simple thing to do and would get around the cap problem. Open LW blue from 12 noon to 12 midnight for instance. Why would this not work? :headscratch:
I'd hate to see us lose our euro players because of something as silly as arena caps. They are fantastic competition and they add to the realism for me. :)
Lusche's idea actually deals with something similar to that. The trick is saving the war progress as arena's close down.
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It really does seem a pity. Perhaps the very same set of forces that contributed to HiTech identifying a need for arena caps is affecting the subscriber community as a whole. Perhaps the community has reached a saturation point and is becoming as a result unhealthy. I feel that I have witnessed this decline in recent years and everyone pointed a finger at the arena and perhaps hoped that CAPs would fix it. I feel that the problems perceived in the arena was just a symptom of a much larger issue. That one day might cause the demise of AH.
I base this on a gut feeling and recent readings of posts on the BBS. Some seem so mean spirited and most, not all, seem to degrade into personal attacks. Have to ask ourselves why? My own personal opinion is a lack of common bond. I find less members interested in sharing factual information and more interested in appearing superior to other members.
Side loyalty no longer exists except as demonstrated by a declining number of squads. I think that the ability to change sides at will has degraded the game and the community. But that ability was implemented to allow better game play and I understand that, however, my opinion of the lack of side loyalty is demonstrated daily by the number of player that remain tower bound while at work or sleeping even though they know that their AFK presents hurts their sides ENY calculation. But they do it because they can and they don’t care. No side loyalty because when they return, they may just go back to being a Knight or Rook or Bishop , which ever they feel like playing on today.
CAPs hurt the game, they are not currently being calculated correctly because everyone in the arena is counted and there are many that are persistent AFK in a tower , thus the calculation for CAPs and ENY is skewed but members don’t care, no side loyalty, they don’t care if the next guy in the game has a fun time. They just care about “Me” after all according to TV, they are the “Me Generation”. Perhaps the community has reached an unhealthy saturation point of the “Me Generation” .
I think the only thing that we can do is be a lot more respecful. Rmember back when you were 4 yo and mom took you to the park to play in the sand box with the other 4 year olds. Her words were a life lesson.
Be good, share, play nice and don't throw sand.
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I just hate caps, cess-pool ftw.
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:mad: Listen to the majority of your customers and put the arena cap at something realistic during Euro times (500 up) or get rid of the stupid thing! I don't know any member flying at Euro times that thinks it is a good idea! Try spending some of that money we keep giving you! :mad:
Some people just make it easy...childish uneducated rants don't deserve a modicum of respect. Had the OP been more mature, there would have been no comment.
There you go again. I read his OP several time and included it again above. I don’t see it as a rant so much as a style , but that’s subjective, I disagree that its childish or uneducated.
Actually,so it's clear the OP specifically stated "listen to the majority of your customers..." so, I did a forum search as stated here:
Taken out of context. That happens a lot on these boards, Within the context of the entire sentence, he is talking about Euro Times and players.
Now, if the 50 or 60 people who actively post in these forums is the majority...it's doubtful there would be an arena cap problem.
I have to disagree with the method you employed to discover and support your position. I just don’t accept the limited scope of your search. There are discussions taking place about CAPS with in discussions of other subjects. Discussions that bleed over and perhaps ever hijack posts. There have been many posts within WISH forum that address CAPS. I do respect your right to an opinion that the majority of players in AH don’t care about CAPs, but I do disagree with it.
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why the hell am i paying those retards here in texas....so i can log in to a server with 20 people in it cuz i can not join the populated server...
because that is BS im not gonna fly alone on an online areana thats what the offline arenas are for
so what advice do you have should i just not play at all cuz thats the only option available to me...since the populated server is closed
serously thanks hitech for wasting our time, with your stupid ideas
i just want to play the game and have fun thats why i pay, not so i can sit and wait for the player population to go up....how about they enable caps during prime time not during the middle of the morning/afternoon where not even 200 people are on....
serously stop wasting the players time by starting the arena caps too early....it just takes what ever action is on at that time and it cuts it in half....which is BULL SH
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why the hell am i paying those retards here in texas....so i can log in to a server with 20 people in it cuz i can not join the populated server...
because that is BS im not gonna fly alone on an online areana thats what the offline arenas are for
so what advice do you have should i just not play at all cuz thats the only option available to me...since the populated server is closed
serously thanks hitech for wasting our time, with your stupid ideas
i just want to play the game and have fun thats why i pay, not so i can sit and wait for the player population to go up....how about they enable caps during prime time not during the middle of the morning/afternoon where not even 200 people are on....
serously stop wasting the players time by starting the arena caps too early....it just takes what ever action is on at that time and it cuts it in half....which is BULL SHET
uh oh.....Release the Cracken!
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wow, that dude is a real piece of work. You're wrapped a bit tight there aren't ya MilesoLooneytunes?
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why the hell am i paying those retards here in texas....so i can log in to a server with 20 people in it cuz i can not join the populated server...
because that is BS im not gonna fly alone on an online areana thats what the offline arenas are for
so what advice do you have should i just not play at all cuz thats the only option available to me...since the populated server is closed
serously thanks hitech for wasting our time, with your stupid ideas
i just want to play the game and have fun thats why i pay, not so i can sit and wait for the player population to go up....how about they enable caps during prime time not during the middle of the morning/afternoon where not even 200 people are on....
serously stop wasting the players time by starting the arena caps too early....it just takes what ever action is on at that time and it cuts it in half....which is BULL SHET
I can see the frustration, I felt the same but discovered that I could fly on Tuesday night and there are no CAP issues on Titanic Tuesday. Evidently the players that make the arenas unhealthy every other day of the week, do not fly on Tuesday evening. So, No CAP Tuesday, is when I fly for fun.
I still fly with my squad on Saturday evening, however if I can’t get in or I get discoed and can’t get back in because of CAPs I just log.
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And not only that, but you habitually belittle very intelligent posters on this board with condescending comments in some sort of attempt to establish your intellectual superiority over them. Your attitude makes me want to ralph all over my new shoes.
+1
Very well said.
I think "forum snob" is being far too kind.
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MilesOwhines find another game if you don't like the way this one is ran, you sniveling....oh nvm. :rolleyes:
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so it they are enabling caps wouldnt it be smarter to do so during PEAK time and not the middle of the afternoon/morning unless they want to divide the already low numbers of players????
woudlnt that be the smart thing to do....because in the middle of the after noon you really dont have to worry about a toxic environment......
and it only takes on player to make it toxic and obviously the more people you have the more chance of this will happen but the other side is more players to fight with, which seems fine to me, after all thats why they give us squelch and other features to minimize this kinda behavior....yet for what ever reason its not enough so they need to divide the community with the caps???? Its just plain stupid and thats all....
logging on when i wake up to find that i can only play on the server with 20 people is a waste of my time, and i dont pay to not play...i mean if they enable the caps during the evening when mass amounts of players are logging in that would make sense but to divided an alreayd low number is foolish.
i guess thats why the call the south and texas in particular the black hole of intelligence
This is clearly not what the players want and the only people who claim they dont care are the fan bois where the devs could shut the game down and they wouldnt object, and try and rationalize how it was good for them....
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MilesOwhines find another game if you don't like the way this one is ran, you sniveling....oh nvm. :rolleyes:
Really not helpful to the discussion. Please reframe from personal attacks.
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Really not helpful to the discussion. Please reframe from personal attacks.
:rofl yeah whatever you say hoss
And keep PMing me MilesOlame, that's one reported. Want to go for 2? You must be from south Texas
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:rofl yeah whatever you say hoss
And keep PMing me MilesOlame, that's one reported. Want to go for 2? You must be from south Texas
what more personal attacks you arent very smart are you.....i will report you for reporting me since you were the one who started it but i wont expect an idiot to understand that.....
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And by the way the caps as they are implement now arent for keeping t he arenas from developing a toxic environments, its to make sure the arenas (starting at around noon) are equally balanced.....since at the time the caps are enabled their is hardly enough people on to worry about their whole large numbers = toxicity theory.... ive played games that have only had one server ww2ol and eve online and they dont seem to have this problem, and eve online has like thousands of players on at anyone given time. as for ww2ol i cant see how anyone would want to play that giant hodgepodge of well crap.
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why the hell am i paying those retards here in texas....so i can log in to a server with 20 people in it cuz i can not join the populated server...
because that is BS im not gonna fly alone on an online areana thats what the offline arenas are for
so what advice do you have should i just not play at all cuz thats the only option available to me...since the populated server is closed
serously thanks hitech for wasting our time, with your stupid ideas
i just want to play the game and have fun thats why i pay, not so i can sit and wait for the player population to go up....how about they enable caps during prime time not during the middle of the morning/afternoon where not even 200 people are on....
serously stop wasting the players time by starting the arena caps too early....it just takes what ever action is on at that time and it cuts it in half....which is BULL SH
(http://moosiegoes.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/temper-tantrum-girl-425ds061609_getty.jpg?w=425&h=285)
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Unhealthy in that context ... Too people/players in a limited amount of space gets over-saturated and people start to get nasty with each other ... which from what understood was driving new (and older) players away from the game ... most importantly, the new players. Subscriptions were either falling off and/or were stagnant. Once the arena caps were put in place ... the subscriber base began to grow again ... growing subscriber base = $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Again, what do you mean by people get nasty with each other, I guess the only way that can happen is via 200 or vox. I’ve said it before, when a popular crowed bar has a problem with people getting nasty , they remove the bad behavior . They don’t open a second bar and move half the people to it.
Shut down 200. eliminate the right to use vox for the offenders. What other type of nasty behavior could exists within an AH arena. People trying to kill each other in planes?
And I have never understood how this unhealthy environment takes off on Tuesday nights. No Nasty people on Titanic Tuesday?
I really think it has much more to do with the “Me Generation” then the “Boomers” different set of social interaction, different set of values. Loyalty to no one but yourself.
I do understand the need for a business to make a profit. But I’d bet that the majority of people that did not subscribe could not afford it. And that the old times that left were having financial problems. I was forced to leave the game for about 3 months due to being out of work for almost 2 years.
We in a depression with real unemployment at about 23 % there are no jobs out there that will allow someone to make a living.
AH does not do an exit interview when you close your account it’s just gone. I see no reason that they would know why someone chose not to continue their subscription. My guess is that it’s the economy.
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really funny how some non-ht people talk about the toxic enviroment created by havingone arena and yet they have no idea what that is. how toxic is the enviroment every tuesday would somebody care to explain so i dont play tuesdays anymore?
when I joined 4-5 years ago, most people were talking about the server not being able to handle all the players in one arena, now it is the toxic thing that happens every day except on tuesdays. I guess tuesdays everybody gets their anti toxic shots.
semp
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I don't see why HTC couldn't bump the time to 1 or 2pm Central time and leave the arenas open and hour or 2 longer for the Euro types.
It would make a lot of players happy and is a reasonable request.
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feel free to start a new thread if you wish, but this thread is not worth trying to clean it up.
Play nice gents.
HiTech