Aces High Bulletin Board
General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: Dadsguns on October 03, 2010, 06:10:13 PM
-
I find it pretty lame that someone would steal cv's and place them 8 sectors away in the corner of a map as some trophy of their dweebness and not using them for a fight.
HT, when a horde monsters over and takes ports for the mere fact of stealing a CV to keep it from being used against them, it "prevent a fight", then its against everything this game is for.
These cv's are not being taken under the noses of when its peak time, but during off peak hours. By the time the peak crowd gets on, there are no cv's to be found.
You cant expect any of the higher rank players to do anything about it because they are part of the problem as well. So if the player base is not policing dweeb behavior, who is?
What options do you have for this, if at all?
-
I find it pretty lame that someone would steal cv's and place them 8 sectors away in the corner of a map as some trophy of their dweebness and not using them for a fight.
HT, when a horde monsters over and takes ports for the mere fact of stealing a CV to keep it from being used against them, it "prevent a fight", then its against everything this game is for.
These cv's are not being taken under the noses of when its peak time, but during off peak hours. By the time the peak crowd gets on, there are no cv's to be found.
You cant expect any of the higher rank players to do anything about it because they are part of the problem as well. So if the player base is not policing dweeb behavior, who is?
What options do you have for this, if at all?
I think that would create more whines than anything.
-
You cant expect any of the higher rank players to do anything about it because they are part of the problem as well.
We are? Explain...
-
We are? Explain...
Not we but specifically the CV admirals... top ranked in score type players taking control of the cv and keeping someone that may be trying to do the right thing and put it back into a fight but may have a lower rank and prevented from doing so.
We have owned the ports they belong too all day, not once did they have any control of it, but the cv for them were 15 sectors from the original base they were from, hiding and not being used.
-
Do away with water maps with CV's in them. Or make the CV controlled by AI (or 80's vintage video game patterns). :D
-
I agree with you Dad. It's a tool to be used for fighting. Hide it? We might as well all join the Devil's Retards now. :D
-
It would be neat if a country could not "own" more CV's than it has ports. Basically once a port has been captured its CV re spawns to its origin port after say 60 minutes. We could consider that the CV was "scuttled" and the origin port had made a new fleet.
-
once a port has been captured its CV re spawns to its origin port after say 60 minutes.
How about just spawning a new CV group after 60 minutes...and the original can still stay hidden. Then we could have 50 CV groups sailing around, since ports seem to change owners more often than some of those CV-hiders change their panties. :lol
-
There's always the question of hiding assets vs using them. Some people think they need to preserve CV's at all costs but let's face it, if you have the port and it's not under threat, there's no point in hiding the boat. It respawns pretty quickly. I say use em.
-
We are? Explain...
If you know it's going on and you choose to not intervene, then you endorse it. I can understand where Way's coming from, as two squads in Rookland would do this religiously. All the while the majority of Rookland would berate them on Country Channel, but to no avail. They declared themselves Oberbefehlshaber der Rookland.
-
There's always the question of hiding assets vs using them. Some people think they need to preserve CV's at all costs but let's face it, if you have the port and it's not under threat, there's no point in hiding the boat. It respawns pretty quickly. I say use em.
If you don't use a captured CV, it is NOT an "asset". I find this to be the common reply from the Oberbefehlshaber's who do this. But by hiding it, it is a wasted resource. If you can get a base and it's sunk, big deal, it didn't cost you anything. If you hide it, you might as well give it back.
-
It would be neat if a country could not "own" more CV's than it has ports. Basically once a port has been captured its CV re spawns to its origin port after say 60 minutes. We could consider that the CV was "scuttled" and the origin port had made a new fleet.
Something like this would be a good idea.
As a new player its been much harder to find a fight lately. The absence of CV's I am sure is a reason for this.
I find myself getting bored with an inability to find a decent battle.
As a CO of a squad that transitioned over from FA we are loosing members to a lack of action in the MA.
We brought 30+ people to AH, some subs will be dropping off this month.
Those that are hiding CV's are hurting the game.
Just my humble opinion
-
It would be neat if a country could not "own" more CV's than it has ports. Basically once a port has been captured its CV re spawns to its origin port after say 60 minutes. We could consider that the CV was "scuttled" and the origin port had made a new fleet.
:aok
+3
-
DadsGuns...............................
-
Not we but specifically the CV admirals... top ranked in score type players taking control of the cv and keeping someone that may be trying to do the right thing and put it back into a fight but may have a lower rank and prevented from doing so.
We have owned the ports they belong too all day, not once did they have any control of it, but the cv for them were 15 sectors from the original base they were from, hiding and not being used.
When I 1st logged on last night, I noticed the CVs (2) Waaaaaaaaaaaaay down the bottom of the map.
Also noted an enemy dar bar in the lower sectors obviously husnting them down.
1st thing I did was up from a somewhat nearby base to hunt him! Found him, crashed into him by accident and apologized on 200.
We both laughed about it. A little while later a set of Ars were seen in the area.
I thought it was more than a little ridiculous to have 2 Cvs so far away from the action that they were effectivly out of the game.
I tried to move them up a couple sectors.
Apparently that didn't sit too well with a couple dweebs from the 91st. They kept changing the course back.
They wound up commandeering both,so no one could change course anymore.
Later on I noticed one of them had logged off, and I tried to move them again.
That didn't set too well with one of the Jokers. He went so far as to get on my Vox channel and call me names and tell me to get some "skills" etc.
I gave up.
These guys were making like i wanted to move the Cvs up to an enemy base base or something.
My guess is they were teenagers with superiority compexes.
Unfortunatly there isn't much you can do about it. If anything, I would wish for an IQ test to be able to play this game.
But THATS another story! :D
-
dweebs from the 91st.
the Jokers.
Names have been given in the Kingdom of Lameness! :aok
-
I could be more specific.
But I won't. :noid
-
I could be more specific.
But I won't. :noid
No need my friend, the bait has been thrown out... :D
-
This is one of the big reasons for actually trying to get a lower score in game for myself. I love the rants people use when you take a CV and don't give it back.
-
It would be neat if a country could not "own" more CV's than it has ports. Basically once a port has been captured its CV re spawns to its origin port after say 60 minutes. We could consider that the CV was "scuttled" and the origin port had made a new fleet.
Great idea. This would force the side with the CV to use it before they lose it anyway. And it makes a certain amount of logical sense, in that a CV without a home port should eventually run out of supplies.
As it is there's not much incentive to get it into action as it'll eventually get taken, making the corresponding port that much harder to take.
-
a good offense is a good defense
-
I was waiting for this thread. :aok I was thoroughly enjoying Dad's 200 meltdown over the subject; this was followed shortly by 1Boner's announcing of the CV's location over 200.
Personally, I find myself on the fence of the subject, but understand the strategic value of moving CVs out of a hot area.
I just find it funny that out of the hundreds of fields on the map, some were having such a fuss over two CVs. If you care about them that much, go get em, they aren't untouchable. Searching for CVs is something I actually enjoy. How many hours did it take to move them there in the first place? We can't regulate the MA for the times only you are on, why did no one in your country care about the CV for the hours it was only a short distance from friendly bases?
If only I could have counted the number of times the word "dweeb" was used, it was hilarious.
-
nice so the 91st & Jokers are up there with the CJ's. It's becoming pointless for Navy squads in this game. Log on to find we have no CV's, switch countries to find we can't use CV's since they're 12 hours from a fight and someone is keeping them away.
Maybe CV's need to be limited on how far from port they can travel and are set on a auto course back to port if it's captured. That or we just need to go back to small maps to prevent cv's from being hiding away by turds.
-
For the record: It's not like it's the 91st policy to hold CVs. Two of our members happened to be the ones doing it, I know there are members on both sides of this issue. The fact that some felt the need to generalize the entire squad as "dweebs" and "dweebish" and "dweebtards" is just foolish and short sighted.
91st is a Bomber Squad, plain and simple.
-
a good offense is a good defense
Yea?!?!?! Really?!?!?!?! Who told you that?!?!?!?!
Your either ignorant to what this game is all about......or your just ignorant to the situation we are discussing.
Probably the best Defensive move a person can make in this game...is actually on the offense side of the spectrum.......attacking an enemy field and porking ords, troops, and radar.
PS. the quote is "The best offense is a good defense"
-
Personally, I find myself on the fence of the subject, but understand the strategic value of moving CVs out of a hot area.
There's moving out of a hot area then there's moving them 8-10 sectors from the closet fight.
For the record: It's not like it's the 91st policy to hold CVs. Two of our members happened to be the ones doing it, I know there are members on both sides of this issue. The fact that some felt the need to generalize the entire squad as "dweebs" and "dweebish" and "dweebtards" is just foolish and short sighted.
91st is a Bomber Squad, plain and simple.
Like my football coach always said, hang with turds and you start to smell like one yourself. You keep your company and are responsible for members in your squad same as i would be for guys under me doing the same. 1 guy doing it ok, 2 guys doing it then yea prepare for generalizations.
-
I was waiting for this thread. :aok I was thoroughly enjoying Dad's 200 meltdown over the subject; this was followed shortly by 1Boner's announcing of the CV's location over 200.
I just find it funny that out of the hundreds of fields on the map, some were having such a fuss over two CVs. If you care about them that much, go get em, they aren't untouchable. Searching for CVs is something I actually enjoy.
1st. Everyone including the nits knew before my "announcment" where they were. And if you guys do it again, I'll announce it again. No regrets.
2nd. You enjoy flying 8+ sectors looking for a CV?? Somehow I find it hard to believe you would do that.
Aren't untouchable?? :rofl :rofl
And out of the "hundereds of fields on the map, YOU guys were making such a "fuss" over 2 Cvs.
-
How about just spawning a new CV group after 60 minutes...and the original can still stay hidden. Then we could have 50 CV groups sailing around, since ports seem to change owners more often than some of those CV-hiders change their panties. :lol
The cv to port relationship is sort of hard wired into the terrain (the map).
I am basically suggesting a timer is latched in (or reset) each time a port is taken if the CV is not owned by the same country that owns the port after e.g 60 minutes Then it is scuttled.
-
91st is a Bomber Squad, plain and simple.
Then why do some in your squad care so much about a CV that they need to hide it and keep it away from people who enjoy fighting from carriers?
-
Personally, I find myself on the fence of the subject, but understand the strategic value of moving CVs out of a hot area.
Moving out of a hot area is one thing... but keeping them 20 sectors away behind the continent no matter what the overall strategic situation is another one. Particularly as some squads use numerical superiority at off-peak times for raiding ports with the explicit intention of stealing the CV and hiding it.
The problem is, often on a ocean map you have the majority of CV's completely taken out of the game. And on huge maps, it's very difficult to find them and to get them back into play.
It would be neat if a country could not "own" more CV's than it has ports. Basically once a port has been captured its CV re spawns to its origin port after say 60 minutes. We could consider that the CV was "scuttled" and the origin port had made a new fleet.
I think this is a good idea. Could even be longer (like 3 hours or so)... which means it has some merit to keep CV alive for some time, but doesn't keep CV's out of the game indefinitely. It's also a good incentive to get the port back (thus creating fights!). Maybe you should create a distinct thread for this wish ?
Not we but specifically the CV admirals...
Well, that reads a bit different than your initial "cant expect any of the higher rank players to do anything about it because they are part of the problem as well" ;)
Being a high ranked player all the time, I do not support the complete removal of CVs from the game. I'm just not online long enough or being able to keep attention for a specific CV long enough.
Another reason I'm currently leaving CVs alone (except emergency actions like turning the ship away from bombers or PT spawns, or prevent someone parking the CV in front of a SB), is that I'm currently hopping through the countries like crazy (several times a day) - And it doesn't look too good if I turn a CV back towards the "enemy" and then switch to them 30 minutes later.
-
Like my football coach always said, hang with turds and you start to smell like one yourself. You keep your company and are responsible for members in your squad same as i would be for guys under me doing the same.
I hope you aren't making judgment's on my squad based on some upset players in the BBS. I understand I am connected to my members, but relatively speaking, holding CVs was nothing compared to that name-calling and abuse they were being subjected too.
2nd. You enjoy flying 8+ sectors looking for a CV?? Somehow I find it hard to believe you would do that.
Aren't untouchable?? :rofl :rofl
You understand what we do in bombers right? 8 sectors is nothing.
The big issue I see here is that this situation was the result of hours of play and many many people influencing it. The port had to be taken, the CV had to be sunk, the CV had to be threatened again, and the CV had to make the long long trip out of the area. The few hours it was being held down south was relatively insignificant. Two of my squaddies are being persecuted because they were playing a role in this for a relatively short period of time. If you don't like the fact that it can be done, that's fine, but realize that there were multiple factors going into that CV's trip. I believe only one or two people attempted to make the trip to the CVs, and no higher ranked players took command of the CV, both viable options to move them again.
So that's the main point I want to get out of this: It was a long journey for those CV's to get down there, and a lot of people played a role, either by moving it or choosing not to sink it. Blaming two players for the entire course of events is short-sighted, why aren't you asking your country why no one sank it when the port was taken back?
-
why worry about usually some dweeb from another country comes over to your country high jacks the cv and gives cords to buddies and its sunk.
-
Geez, this is hard to keep up with. :lol
Then why do some in your squad care so much about a CV that they need to hide it and keep it away from people who enjoy fighting from carriers?
They can play how they want, as long as they remain respectful to other players, what control should I have over them?
Lusche- 20 sectors is a long way, I agree. Let me be clear that I'm not saying I'm all for this, just pointing out how wrong it is to single out two players when it took a long time and a lot of players to move that CV there.
btw, gonna call IN now because I have to go to work and will be surprised if this lasts that long.
-
jg54 was always good at returning "lost" CV's. used to be fun to listen to 200 after we sunk them out in the middle of no where!
-
well i have begun to see a newish attitude creeping into the game as of late, intolerance to lame arsed-dweebery!!
what i mean by this, as a for instance, the other night while having a great time in a between bases furball my squaddie and others noticed a group of friendly bombers heading towards the base that the enemy we were fighting were upping from.
now as this was our fun and our fight and the players that had been knocking each other back and forth for over an hour had made no more on either base this seemed to me and to all my squaddies present to be exceptionally lame! there were other fights going on on the map, there were others in other places looking to take bases, but instead this "person" took it upon themselves to jump into a fight that was going great without them in an attempt to drop the hangers and ruin the fun for what was about 30 to 40 players fighting in the air and on the ground between the 2 sides.
now this "person" in the bombers was asked what his intent was and his reply was specifically to drop hangers...he was then asked to refrain from doing this as it would ruin the on going fight, he was additionally asked if he could just go bomb the next base up the coast instead. the "persons" responce was I'm not going anywhere else, then we noticed a second set of bombers flying behind the first. the intent of these people to put down the base and end our fight was now plainly clear.
so my squaddie (damn i love being a Muppet) took the first step, upon 200 he announced more than once for all the world to see that there were 2 sets of bombers at approximately 8000 ft heading to drop the hangers at A52. he continued to type alert 52 bombers inbound flying approximately 2k south of the coast at 8000 ft.
then it seemed as one unit, without talking about it amongst ourselves, almost every country man who was in a fighter who was engaged with an enemy fighter, or in the path of an enemy fighter headed towards the bombers location, pulled off and ceased their attack. we allowed every enemy fighter that wanted it free passage to the bombers, most of us stayed far enough back so that the enemy could persue their target without the fear of being jumped by us. one friendly that i spotted rushing in at an enemy P51 i check 6 5 times in rapid succession until he veered away flipping over and diving looking for the danger. by the time he recovered the 51 was well above and well away.
of the 6 bombers only one bomber survived to reach the shore again, it was in flames before it reached the base exploding just after it started to drop its bombs well short of their target.
that was the last bomber attempt that i know of in that fight for the remainder of the time i was there.
now i know that many of you are so offended at the thought that someone would do this that you are about to burst a vein in your head.....well calm down cause it gets worse!
not too far back a country man mentioned that he didn't understand why there were 3 count them 3 CV's hidding in the far corners of the map nowhere near an enemy base, i explained that they were highjacked and being hidden from the enemy. well after a few moments of conversation on the dweebiness of the situation this other player views the roster and finds the name of some he knows currently flying in the enemy country closest to the CV's. he explains to me after a few moments of silence that he then notified someone who will do something about it where the CV's were hidden.
i find this type of anti-dweebery extremely funny and additionally very productive to the game play of the many as opposed to catering to the selfishness of a few (not to be confused with members of The FEW :salute guys) so i have adopted this type of anti-dweebery attitude and shall from now on live up to similar standards in similar situations.
now this does not mean i will give up noe missions or big mixed bag missions heading out to do their base thing.
but if there is a furball going on that you want to end just because its your $15.00 then rest assured i will give up your location and give anyone who chases you a free pass, if i spot CV's tucked in the corner of the map not being used i will announce their location to the world at large.
you wanna play like a selfish a&*%$#e then i will be happy to meet you at that level.
:D
-
well i have begun to see a newish attitude creeping into the game as of late, intolerance to lame arsed-dweebery!!
what i mean by this, as a for instance, the other night while having a great time in a between bases furball my squaddie and others noticed a group of friendly bombers heading towards the base that the enemy we were fighting were upping from.
now as this was our fun and our fight and the players that had been knocking each other back and forth for over an hour had made no more on either base this seemed to me and to all my squaddies present to be exceptionally lame! there were other fights going on on the map, there were others in other places looking to take bases, but instead this "person" took it upon themselves to jump into a fight that was going great without them in an attempt to drop the hangers and ruin the fun for what was about 30 to 40 players fighting in the air and on the ground between the 2 sides.
now this "person" in the bombers was asked what his intent was and his reply was specifically to drop hangers...he was then asked to refrain from doing this as it would ruin the on going fight, he was additionally asked if he could just go bomb the next base up the coast instead. the "persons" responce was I'm not going anywhere else, then we noticed a second set of bombers flying behind the first. the intent of these people to put down the base and end our fight was now plainly clear.
so my squaddie (damn i love being a Muppet) took the first step, upon 200 he announced more than once for all the world to see that there were 2 sets of bombers at approximately 8000 ft heading to drop the hangers at A52. he continued to type alert 52 bombers inbound flying approximately 2k south of the coast at 8000 ft.
then it seemed as one unit, without talking about it amongst ourselves, almost every country man who was in a fighter who was engaged with an enemy fighter, or in the path of an enemy fighter headed towards the bombers location, pulled off and ceased their attack. we allowed every enemy fighter that wanted it free passage to the bombers, most of us stayed far enough back so that the enemy could persue their target without the fear of being jumped by us. one friendly that i spotted rushing in at an enemy P51 i check 6 5 times in rapid succession until he veered away flipping over and diving looking for the danger. by the time he recovered the 51 was well above and well away.
of the 6 bombers only one bomber survived to reach the shore again, it was in flames before it reached the base exploding just after it started to drop its bombs well short of their target.
that was the last bomber attempt that i know of in that fight for the remainder of the time i was there.
now i know that many of you are so offended at the thought that someone would do this that you are about to burst a vein in your head.....well calm down cause it gets worse!
not too far back a country man mentioned that he didn't understand why there were 3 count them 3 CV's hidding in the far corners of the map nowhere near an enemy base, i explained that they were highjacked and being hidden from the enemy. well after a few moments of conversation on the dweebiness of the situation this other player views the roster and finds the name of some he knows currently flying in the enemy country closest to the CV's. he explains to me after a few moments of silence that he then notified someone who will do something about it where the CV's were hidden.
i find this type of anti-dweebery extremely funny and additionally very productive to the game play of the many as opposed to catering to the selfishness of a few (not to be confused with members of The FEW :salute guys) so i have adopted this type of anti-dweebery attitude and shall from now on live up to similar standards in similar situations.
now this does not mean i will give up noe missions or big mixed bag missions heading out to do their base thing.
but if there is a furball going on that you want to end just because its your $15.00 then rest assured i will give up your location and give anyone who chases you a free pass, if i spot CV's tucked in the corner of the map not being used i will announce their location to the world at large.
you wanna play like a selfish a&*%$#e then i will be happy to meet you at that level.
:D
well the problem with that is they spend their 14.95 and they should be allowed to bomb hangers if they want. and i think thats part of the problem. the countries have squads within themselves or individuals that do their own thing. reguardless of what the country needs as a whole. and noone has a right to tell those people they can't and much it may have ruin peoples fun.
-
well their going out of their way to end a furbal/ground fight occupying 30 or 40 guys just because they want to is their way of telling me i cant play my way, so they get the respect they give.
nothing for nothing
-
well i agree but that's what happens when you got everyone that's suppost to be a country not acting together and on the same page. its like having 3 or 4 countries within your own country. almost not worth having countries and everyone fight for themselves.
-
well i agree but that's what happens when you got everyone that's suppost to be a country not acting together and on the same page. its like having 3 or 4 countries within your own country. almost not worth having countries and everyone fight for themselves.
I completely concur with this statement!!
-
nice so the 91st & Jokers are up there with the CJ's. It's becoming pointless for Navy squads in this game. Log on to find we have no CV's, switch countries to find we can't use CV's since they're 12 hours from a fight and someone is keeping them away.
Maybe CV's need to be limited on how far from port they can travel and are set on a auto course back to port if it's captured. That or we just need to go back to small maps to prevent cv's from being hiding away by turds.
Or we can just use AW's old method and make the CVs stationary. No whines in that game about CV hiding.
ack-ack
-
jg54 was always good at returning "lost" CV's. used to be fun to listen to 200 after we sunk them out in the middle of no where!
You mean JG54 was good at having a member switch countries and take control of a CV and sail it to a coastal enemy base, one with a SB if possible. Then another member of JG54 that didn't switch would then up bombers or use the SB to sink the CV under control of their squadron mates. Yeah, you guys were the TOPS! :rofl
ack-ack
-
So hiding a CV and protecting the asset when it's port has been taken by another country doesn't make good strategic sense??? Maybe all the folks with the issue should have focused on retaking the Port the CV belonged to instead of just whining. Oh thats right, it is easier to whine :cry
-
Here is a question that just popped into my head: does the captured and hidden CV count towards the win percentage for map reset? If so, this might explain some of this behavior.
-
Tlt that is a fantastic idea . I hope HTC is paying attention to this. Something does need to be done about how a CV is controlled. maybe your idea is the answer :aok :salute
-
does the captured and hidden CV count towards the win percentage for map reset? If so, this might explain some of this behavior.
Yes it does, and yes it does.
-
So hiding a CV and protecting the asset when it's port has been taken by another country doesn't make good strategic sense??? Maybe all the folks with the issue should have focused on retaking the Port the CV belonged to instead of just whining. Oh that's right, it is easier to whine :cry
If you want to avoid a fight yes it makes perfect strategic sense.
Maybe folks that want to respond should have focused on that they did take the port that the cv's belonged to and owned both ports ALL DAY.
Oh that's right, you didn't read anything..... :rolleyes:
The cv to port relationship is sort of hard wired into the terrain (the map).
I am basically suggesting a timer is latched in (or reset) each time a port is taken if the CV is not owned by the same country that owns the port after e.g 60 minutes Then it is scuttled.
:aok
I think this is a good idea. Could even be longer (like 3 hours or so)... which means it has some merit to keep CV alive for some time, but doesn't keep CV's out of the game indefinitely. It's also a good incentive to get the port back (thus creating fights!). Maybe you should create a distinct thread for this wish ?
Wish submitted.
:aok :aok
I think that is a very good idea and reasonable and would certainly create a fight.
-
Here is a question that just popped into my head: does the captured and hidden CV count towards the win percentage for map reset? If so, this might explain some of this behavior.
I dont know about now waystin but i'm pretty sure it used to.
-
Yes it does, and yes it does.
I love freaking epiphanies! (http://www.tlceyecare.com/images/LightBulb_animated.gif)
-
So hiding a CV and protecting the asset when it's port has been taken by another country doesn't make good strategic sense??? Maybe all the folks with the issue should have focused on retaking the Port the CV belonged to instead of just whining. Oh thats right, it is easier to whine :cry
How is a CV thats NOT being used an "asset" ??
Hiding a Cv is one thing, taking it out of gameplay for ANYONE to use is another.
What if I decided I or any other Bish wanted to use those Cvs for something? Basicly, your teammates said NO!! NOBODY is going to use them.
Who the @#$% are they to tell anyone they can't move or use those Cvs???
Then I get some pre-pubesent Joker private voxing me, calling me names etc. All I gotta say about the whole thing last night is WOW.
-
Who the @#$% are they to tell anyone they can't move or use those Cvs???
The way the game is set up, everyone has a perfect right to execute their particular style of game play. If the roles were reversed and you had the higher player ranking and decided to move the cv, that would be your right. With the lacking of a global command structure that can intervene and make decisions - "what it is, is what it is". The amount of players that participate in the main arena dictates that no matter what decision is made, someone is not going to like it and when all and said and done, it is just a cartoon game.
Dadsguns - Touche! I came in on the end of the text buffer exchanges yesterday and saw that the attached ports were not owned at the time and my squaddies were getting hammered. I apologize for my sarcastic tone :salute
-
QFT
So hiding a CV and protecting the asset when it's port has been taken by another country doesn't make good strategic sense??? Maybe all the folks with the issue should have focused on retaking the Port the CV belonged to instead of just whining. Oh thats right, it is easier to whine :cry
-
The way the game is set up, everyone has a perfect right to execute their particular style of game play. If the roles were reversed and you had the higher player ranking and decided to move the cv, that would be your right. With the lacking of a global command structure that can intervene and make decisions - "what it is, is what it is". The amount of players that participate in the main arena dictates that no matter what decision is made, someone is not going to like it and when all and said and done, it is just a cartoon game.
Dadsguns - Touche! I came in on the end of the text buffer exchanges yesterday and saw that the attached ports were not owned at the time.
I actually had a higher ranked Bish player offer me to take control of the Cv away from the guy who had command.
I declined, but thanked him for the offer.
I think that if you're going to "command" a task group, you should have to be on board. Not off somewhere else flying a plane.
But some people just like to "game" the game to further their own needs.
-
QFT
QFStupidity
-
QFStupidity
:rofl
-
What? Man made a valid point. BTW... I have spent 2 hours flying the open ocean looking for cv's in lost sectors. To be perfectly honest, the bad people don't steal the cv, the good people let them get away with stealing it. So be mindful of who you call stupid, stoopid. Dam ship is moving slower than we can run and somehow the horde stole it? WAKE UP and play the game you whining Donkey's.
QFStupidity
-
What? Man made a valid point. BTW... I have spent 2 hours flying the open ocean looking for cv's in lost sectors. To be perfectly honest, the bad people don't steal the cv, the good people let them get away with stealing it. So be mindful of who you call stupid, stoopid. Dam ship is moving slower than we can run and somehow the horde stole it? WAKE UP and play the game you whining Donkey's.
Excuse some of us for having a life and going to bed before midnight and maybe getting on for maybe an hour before bases get rolled between 12am-3am, against little to no opposition. I realize this is some of yalls life and think a hidden CV 12 sectors out is an asset, it's not it's stupidity is what that is. Doesn't mater who is doing it for which ever country, they're a moron.
-
i find this type of anti-dweebery extremely funny and additionally very productive to the game play of the many as opposed to catering to the selfishness of a few (not to be confused with members of The FEW :salute guys) so i have adopted this type of anti-dweebery attitude and shall from now on live up to similar standards in similar situations.
now this does not mean i will give up noe missions or big mixed bag missions heading out to do their base thing.
but if there is a furball going on that you want to end just because its your $15.00 then rest assured i will give up your location and give anyone who chases you a free pass, if i spot CV's tucked in the corner of the map not being used i will announce their location to the world at large.
you wanna play like a selfish a&*%$#e then i will be happy to meet you at that level.
:D
Here is my question, who defines "dweebery"? It's a very personal definition and remember that something you find dweebish the other guys finds normal. In that furball you are in, there are probably guys like you who are enjoying the furball, and there are other guys who are wanting to push the base. Those bombers probably want to push the base and try for a capture. So, with all due respect, I find it a little selfish on your part to assume that everyone is wanting to play your way. Obviously that one pilot wanted to help protect the bombers. Obviously the bombers wanted to push the base, but you wouldn't let them play their way.
I actually had a higher ranked Bish player offer me to take control of the Cv away from the guy who had command.
I declined, but thanked him for the offer.
For me, this just tells me that you'd rather whine about it. You had a realistic option to take control of the situation your way, but declined and continued to shout out names and the CVs location.
-
The way the game is set up, everyone has a perfect right to execute their particular style of game play. If the roles were reversed and you had the higher player ranking and decided to move the cv, that would be your right. With the lacking of a global command structure that can intervene and make decisions - "what it is, is what it is". The amount of players that participate in the main arena dictates that no matter what decision is made, someone is not going to like it and when all and said and done, it is just a cartoon game.
Dadsguns - Touche! I came in on the end of the text buffer exchanges yesterday and saw that the attached ports were not owned at the time and my squaddies were getting hammered. I apologize for my sarcastic tone :salute
thats sounds about right, everyone can in 1 country can have their own objectives and may even go against the majority but they paid their 14.95 and have the right to hog a CV and steer any where they want just like the next person can when its available, there is no country for the most part except when the few times people do work together but other then thats its squads doing their own thing, bases being took noone defending after 100's of "alerts" being sent out.
-
Here is my question, who defines "dweebery"? It's a very personal definition and remember that something you find dweebish the other guys finds normal. In that furball you are in, there are probably guys like you who are enjoying the furball, and there are other guys who are wanting to push the base. Those bombers probably want to push the base and try for a capture. So, with all due respect, I find it a little selfish on your part to assume that everyone is wanting to play your way. Obviously that one pilot wanted to help protect the bombers. Obviously the bombers wanted to push the base, but you wouldn't let them play their way.
Jayhawk
well as i stated, there were 30 to 40 people on the ground and in the air, from what i saw while i was there we remained away from the towns, nobody else upped any type of air mission against the bases directly, we stayed prodominantly in the middle between the bases, when the fight did near one base or the other neither side vulched de-acked or attempted any other type of capping move, the gv's did not attack the towns or bases but remained in the middle, i saw only 2 wirbles upped they both remained on the enemy runway for a very short period of time and fired at planes that encroached to closely, as they did not stay very long i assume they landed out of boredom and upped planes instead.
my point being is that for over an hour 30 to 40 people made no move on each others bases, 30 to 40 people were having their fun their way, but a couple as in 2 people didn't like it and want to play their way without any respect paid to the 30 to 40 people who were having a good time. as i stated, there were other fights going on and i saw a couple missions posted for else where on the map, instead this "person" decides that his $15.00 says its OK that 2 people have the right to screw up a fight that has been ongoing and providing entertainment to many many people. well then if that is the case my $15.00 says that i will screw with his bomber runs every time i get the chance.
additionally, as i said they were in bombers, not C47's or any other type of troop carriers and their intended targets directly from their mouths were the hangers not the buildings of the town. so their pushing the base is highly unlikely, maybe their destroying the fight and hoping that others would push the base is a possibility. but they were repeatedly asked multiple times by multiple people to back off, to not go after the hangers. they made their choice and we who were there showed our disapproval.
as far as the one player who went after the 51, well my thought at the time was the guy didn't realize that the 51 was persuing the bombers. he may not have understood what was going on at the time. he boomed in from on high and saw a lower slower 51 and jumped him. gee i screwed up his pick. I'm sure he found another one.
yep it breaks my heart that our actions kept that fight going for the next 45 minutes that i stayed on. was still ongoing when i called it a night. so for the price of 2 bomber jocks getting punked and 1 picker missing his kill 30 to 40 guys had fun for a minimum of an hour and a half.
hmmmmmm that's $30.00 ($45.00 if you count the pick) against $450.00 to $600.00, well i think that $450.00 to $600.00 would be the ones to define dweebery in that instance.
now as i implied earlier, this is not appropriate behavior in all instances, if you jump into a fight along side a mission or squad that is intended on base taking then in that instance you would be the dweeb if you acted in a like manner as we did in the above described event.
but i guess that's the basic point isn't it?
if you are amongst the few (not the squad) in the fight and you want to fight another way then why dont you go look for your style elsewhere instead of trying to force the many to forget about their fun and cater to you?
oh and so there is no misunderstanding here, any "you" that i use was merely in form and not directed at you personally Jay, i tend to agree with most of your posts and the things you say and when i disagree you tend to pose a very good argument in support of your theories.
-
Jay, i tend to agree with most of your posts and the things you say and when i disagree you tend to pose a very good argument in support of your theories.
Thank you, I was actually thinking the exact same thing about you today before I read the posts in here. You think objectively and speak respectfully. The only other thing I would say is to remember that those bomber pilots probably (hopefully) aren't doing this just to screw with 30-40 people, they believe they are helping. That being said, if someone or enough people ask you to refrain from dropping the hangers, I think it's respectful to do so. I certainly would have continued on to another target (of course I'd never even imagine bombing a field at 8k! :uhoh).
<S> :cheers:
-
Thank you, I was actually thinking the exact same thing about you today before I read the posts in here. You think objectively and speak respectfully. The only other thing I would say is to remember that those bomber pilots probably (hopefully) aren't doing this just to screw with 30-40 people, they believe they are helping. That being said, if someone or enough people ask you to refrain from dropping the hangers, I think it's respectful to do so. I certainly would have continued on to another target (of course I'd never even imagine bombing a field at 8k! :uhoh).
<S> :cheers:
Agreed <<S>> :cheers:
-
And don't get me wrong, I'm not saying I disagree with your opinion, I'm just trying to be a touch of Devil's Advocate. His reply was true, it's 100% valid. And 100% important for the map reset types......... :uhoh
Excuse some of us for having a life and going to bed before midnight and maybe getting on for maybe an hour before bases get rolled between 12am-3am, against little to no opposition. I realize this is some of yalls life and think a hidden CV 12 sectors out is an asset, it's not it's stupidity is what that is. Doesn't mater who is doing it for which ever country, they're a moron.
As for those early morning hours, if nobody is there to stop them, it's going to happen anyway. :cheers:
-
For me, this just tells me that you'd rather whine about it. You had a realistic option to take control of the situation your way, but declined and continued to shout out names and the CVs location.
LOL!! I had given up at that point. Ie: let the kiddies have their way.
Shout out names?? :rofl Who told you that? I have no Vox. And I didn't type anything out either.
And trust me , if it wasn't for your squadies childish behavior I would have NEVER divulged those Cvs locations. The nits knew where they were before I even logged on anyway.
And if you really wanted to hear some whining, you should have heard your squadies and their Joker buddy last nite. It was priceless. :banana:
-
Fact still remains you had the option to change it and you didn't. Yet you still are here pointing fingers. When the opportunity arose for you to change something you obviously care about, you avoided it.
You are absolutely entitled to your opinion but your continuous persecution of players and my squad is inappropriate and non-productive.
-
Fact still remains you had the option to change it and you didn't. Yet you still are here pointing fingers. When the opportunity arose for you to change something you obviously care about, you avoided it.
You are absolutely entitled to your opinion but your continuous persecution of players and my squad is inappropriate and non-productive.
I am sure your squad is filled with quite a few great guys. (except Thunderegg)
I'm sorry if you felt I was "persecuting" your squad. That was not my intention, nor do I believe I EVER said anything negative about your squad, just the 2 players that I had the distinct displeasure of encountering last night.
I have no problem with the 91st, and most certainly wouldn't judge a squad by the actions of 2 players on one night.
-
I am sure your squad is filled with quite a few great guys. (except Thunderegg)
I'm sorry if you felt I was "persecuting" your squad. That was not my intention, nor do I believe I EVER said anything negative about your squad, just the 2 players that I had the distinct displeasure of encountering last night.
I have no problem with the 91st, and most certainly wouldn't judge a squad by the actions of 2 players on one night.
Thank you. Everyone has their disagreements, but when we act like adults you can move forward and not hold any grudges.
<S> :cheers:
-
flotsom..WHile I understand what you did..I really think what you did was wrong.But with good intentions..This is a dynamic game..The bombers would of also made it a dynamic time in the game..people would of went to try and kill them and them the others..FUN for all involved..What would of happened if the hangars would of got knocked down?wait 15 and people would of still continued fighting..and coming into the field..and yes,the field may of even been taken...
dadsguns,,you crack me up..you start a post about the exact same thing you USED to DO!!!!!!!!!!..the hypocrisy never ends on some of these threads...
-
:bolt:
dadsguns,,you crack me up..
-
dadsguns,,you crack me up..you start a post about the exact same thing you USED to DO!!!!!!!!!!..the hypocrisy never ends on some of these threads...
Are you serious, the exact same thing huh? You are accusing me of stealing cv's and hiding them in a corner of a map? wow. :lol
If you want to stand there and say that, you better man up and prove it.
I have pity for you and your all new low........ but ignorance is grace for some.
-
I am not saying everytime DG,but I have seen it more than a few times.
-
two exsquaddies fighting...
well I pity both of them...
-
I am not saying everytime DG,but I have seen it more than a few times.
And what I am saying is your wrong. I don't know what you have seen or who you seen it with and can say without a doubt in my mind that I have never hid a CV as you say I have, Period. Again, prove what you say or it never happened.
This is not the first time I have ever discussed cv's being hidden and until something is done about it, it probably wont be the last. I have posted several times about it and I dont think it would have fooled anyone had I complained about this sort of thing but yet was doing it all along. But yet you seem to have seen me do this sort of thing more than a few times....... I dont think so, matter of fact I know so.
-
And I have to sit here and watch it. :confused:
Perhaps I should make a public service announcement stating The views expressed in this argument, including any tactics, missions or incidents, do not represent commonly held practices or beliefs of the current High Command.
two exsquaddies fighting...
well I pity both of them...
-
Perhaps I should make a public service announcement stating The views expressed in this argument, including any tactics, missions or incidents, do not represent commonly held practices or beliefs of the current High Command.
I will add to that LLogann, it was Never a set Policy or Practice in Rolling Thunder or ever Condoned by anyone in the squad to conduct this type of play, EVER!.
-
I have an idea for the CV issue, it may not fix it but it might be a start: If a mission is posted that is CV based mission, then the mission planner should be allowed to access to all the CV groups that his/her country has control of. I long accepted that CV hiding is a part of a the game now(unfortunately not in a positive light). Every country does or has individuals that do it. I do agree with 1Boner, you cannot judge a whole squad(for the most part) based upon the actions of one or more members. Now, if a squad has a set policy forbidding this, then the squad should police its own.
-
Miss you Chief.
I will add to that LLogann, it was Never a set Policy or Practice in Rolling Thunder or ever Condoned by anyone in the squad to conduct this type of play, EVER!.
-
Time idea = bah ... your right about to launch that field taking LVT and the group disappears.
Rank idea = bah ... some selfish turd runs it off the map or stays in command as bombers sink the thing because they are AFK getting another glass of warm milk.
Best ideas I have read:
1. Tie command to the CV itself. If you are in command you must remain tied to the CV as your base of origin.
2. Make a log on the CV window which shows the last two or three "commanders". That way we can all confirm what we suspect about guys jumping sides, locating and moving a CV, jumping arenas, residing, coming back and sinking the same CVs. Yes it happens, you all know it does.
OR.... Just let the game flow. IT seems to have been this way forever, and it just won't change. Look at it from HTC perspective. B***h from players on NOEs ruining the game = lower dar. B***h on 75ft dar ruining the game, back to old dar settings. You cannot make everyone happy and have a successful business. Some will just have to accept that things are the way they are and placing controls on them (limiting side switching lets say) would just detract from the game play for a chunk of the clients. There are thousands of AH subscribers, yet how many are active in the boards? WHO do you represent besides yourself and your opinions? Just because we have grown fond of the game and long for a more mature, non-generation Y form of game play does not mean it will yield a successful business model. I would prefer to endure the cupcakes and have a game than have no AH at all.
---- Crusader
-
oops double post
-
oops double post
actually Dirt i think what you said has enough merit that maybe it deserved to be posted twice!!!!!
:salute
-
QFT
actually Dirt i think what you said has enough merit that maybe it deserved to be posted twice!!!!!
:salute
-
. Look at it from HTC perspective. B***h from players on NOEs ruining the game = lower dar. B***h on 75ft dar ruining the game, back to old dar settings.
We are not back to the old settings. Dot dar was dropped to 65ft and still is there. Only the dot dar ranges are back to 15 miles in LW arena.
-
Bring back? They were never gone (except a few days until everybody found out that darbar is still 500ft ;))
I am confused then... :joystick:
-
The most confusing revolves around the interchanging of the terms dar and radar.
When radar was lowered to 65ft, it meant that your dot would show up on a base radar above 65 feet. Dar bar, however, remained at 500ft. So, you could fly into an enemy base at 200 ft, show up as a dot on their radar, but not show a dar bar.
Radar range or diameter was extended, but HTC decided to return that to the previous settings.
-
!! that is what I am talking about. Thanks. A concise summary, sans insult. Jayhawk, awesome.
-
Time idea = bah ... your right about to launch that field taking LVT and the group disappears.
No the carrier simply sinks.... and then the normal timer kicks in.....you could even COAD destruction of the fighter and bomber hangers just before sinking it. Then everthing else runs as normal.
-
BTW Jayhawk....another of your members was at it again today.
Its a Stain on the 91'st even if you dont see it.
-
for hiding cv HTC should lets us up a horde of claws and sink only 33 perk ;)
-
I agree with you Dad. It's a tool to be used for fighting. Hide it? We might as well all join the Devil's Retards now. :D
Come on Waystin, I would expect better from you. I expect the VTARD insults from others in the game, but never expected it from you Waystin2. Always had respect for the Pigs... As for the originator of this thread. Maybe he should work at doing what is needed so that he can control the CV,s instead of whining about what others are doing with them.
-
Come on Waystin, I would expect better from you. I expect the VTARD insults from others in the game, but never expected it from you Waystin2. Always had respect for the Pigs... As for the originator of this thread. Maybe he should work at doing what is needed so that he can control the CV,s instead of whining about what others are doing with them.
Seems that he's telling it like it is. Ironic that you seem to be looking for respect while at the same time defending what many see is something disrespectful to the other players in the game and the game itself.
-
BTW Jayhawk....another of your members was at it again today.
Its a Stain on the 91'st even if you dont see it.
We just use spray and wash, we are clean now <RD>
Easy way to fix problem.........HT do away with CV's......no more hiding, no more cv hiding whine post, and BTW your still making me laugh :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
-
Come on Waystin, I would expect better from you. I expect the VTARD insults from others in the game, but never expected it from you Waystin2. Always had respect for the Pigs... As for the originator of this thread. Maybe he should work at doing what is needed so that he can control the CV,s instead of whining about what others are doing with them.
Hello Sky,
It has been no secret about my feelings towards the DB's in-game strategies and behaviors. Usually I can live with it. But the hiding of CV's is simply a win the war strategy that ruins gameplay. I know it is done to get a base take that counts towards reset, and it can't be taken back without playing hide and seek. I find this unusually lame. My respect-o-meter would go up, if the port and cv were captured and then used for further attacks instead of leaving the port for recapture and hiding the CV. I have become more vocal of late simply because folks in your squad have become more vocal. Specifically sending myself and other Pigs trash-talking PM's (thank you Kow and Dallas). It is uncalled for to approach the game in a lame way, then heap scorn through PM's to people on top of it. I don't do it, and I do not want it done to me or my squaddies. Heck I even gave Kow the chance to stop sending his PM's and be civil, and he did not stop. I ended up having to report the tard. So, when your buddies behave, I'll back down. Otherwise I will call them out for behaving contrary to good community behavior.
:salute
Way
-
Hello Sky,
It has been no secret about my feelings towards the DB's in-game strategies and behaviors. Usually I can live with it. But the hiding of CV's is simply a win the war strategy that ruins gameplay. I know it is done to get a base take that counts towards reset, and it can't be taken back without playing hide and seek. I find this unusually lame. My respect-o-meter would go up, if the port and cv were captured and then used for further attacks instead of leaving the port for recapture and hiding the CV. I have become more vocal of late simply because folks in your squad have become more vocal. Specifically sending myself and other Pigs trash-talking PM's (thank you Kow and Dallas). It is uncalled for to approach the game in a lame way, then heap scorn through PM's to people on top of it. I don't do it, and I do not want it done to me or my squaddies. Heck I even gave Kow the chance to stop sending his PM's and be civil, and he did not stop. I ended up having to report the tard. So, when your buddies behave, I'll back down. Otherwise I will call them out for behaving contrary to good community behavior.
:salute
Way
I have never seen Waystin upset, if someone is giving him crap on 200(which he doesnt tune, normally me telling him :D ) he will just send them a salute and end it with that.
Dallas is the extreme the other way.....he wont stop talking crap till the other guy stops......kinda like me :)
-
Hello Sky,
It has been no secret about my feelings towards the DB's in-game strategies and behaviors. Usually I can live with it. But the hiding of CV's is simply a win the war strategy that ruins gameplay. I know it is done to get a base take that counts towards reset, and it can't be taken back without playing hide and seek. I find this unusually lame. My respect-o-meter would go up, if the port and cv were captured and then used for further attacks instead of leaving the port for recapture and hiding the CV. I have become more vocal of late simply because folks in your squad have become more vocal. Specifically sending myself and other Pigs trash-talking PM's (thank you Kow and Dallas). It is uncalled for to approach the game in a lame way, then heap scorn through PM's to people on top of it. I don't do it, and I do not want it done to me or my squaddies. Heck I even gave Kow the chance to stop sending his PM's and be civil, and he did not stop. I ended up having to report the tard. So, when your buddies behave, I'll back down. Otherwise I will call them out for behaving contrary to good community behavior.
:salute
Way
You and I have killed each other a few times Waystin. I have never Pm'd you or anyone to whine about anything... I usually just salute and move on.. I really have no position on the CV's because my score is never low enough to control them anyway... I will say that it is squad policy not to trash talk on the PM's. I wish some other German named squads would follow that policy.. I recall a 200 rant by another player the other day about the Devils Brigade hiding CV's. The funny part was that there were non squad members with lower scores controlling them, yet several people were blaming us for it...
I have been playing with the Devils Rejects and now Devils Brigade since I started this game almost two years ago... Dogfite and many of our long term members have always frowned upon channel 200 rants or PM rants..We are also told to ignore PM insults from other players and to never insult other players on 200 or PM. After all, it is only a game and we just play to have a good time.. I cannot speak for other members of the squad, I can only say that from my experience Dogfite had always told us to avoid that kind of stuff...
I know that we get a bad rap sometimes because we are a map moving squad as opposed to fur-ballers. And some people will not like us no-matter what we do... I can say that all of the fights I have seen where the Pigs were involved have all been good clean fights..