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Title: The CON weapons
Post by: uptown on October 25, 2010, 07:52:54 AM
Flying PT boats, RV8s, sharks and claws? WTF!? I don't know about everyone else, but my interest in WW2 warfare and flight sims is what brought me to the game to begin with. Not space monsters, mother ships and assorted UFOs. For once it'd be nice to see something actually based on reality. B29s, subs, higher octane fuel, King Tiger tanks, Dornier 335s....There are a million things that purtain to WW2 that could be developed for the con nite, but what does HTC come up with? Sharks, lazer beams and pink poop!? Come on HTC. Why not a nuke or something. I personally find the con night to be a huge turnoff.
I think if i spent the time and money to drive to Texas to take part only to find out we had flying space claws to fly i'd just shut the computer off and go to the bar and get drunk. I'm just curious as to how many like this type of thing or do you find it complete nonsense as I do.
Title: Re: The CON weapons
Post by: Ghosth on October 25, 2010, 07:58:00 AM
Only happens once a year, keeps the con goers happy (and we pay for it)

17 hours driving from Fargo ND
Hotel for 3 nights at 75$ a night.
125$ con registration fee

Flying a Claw at the evil con mission, Priceless!
Title: Re: The CON weapons
Post by: LLogann on October 25, 2010, 08:00:35 AM
Shooting a CLAW down in a WWII era prop plane...... Now that's priceless!!!   :aok

Flying a Claw at the evil con mission, Priceless!
Title: Re: The CON weapons
Post by: CHAPPY on October 25, 2010, 08:03:08 AM
i'd just shut the computer off and go to the bar and get drunk.

Priceless!!!
Title: Re: The CON weapons
Post by: Dragon on October 25, 2010, 08:10:29 AM
:cry



edit:  :cry
Title: Re: The CON weapons
Post by: Bruv119 on October 25, 2010, 08:20:51 AM
lighten up uptown. 

Once a year FUN.
Title: Re: The CON weapons
Post by: Knite on October 25, 2010, 08:46:42 AM
Sorry uptown. I found it flat out hysterical. Something to lighten up the mood of a game in which a lot of people take too seriously. It was something new, different, and completely unexpected.


Like the old Squid or Pizza.

Title: Re: The CON weapons
Post by: NCLawman on October 25, 2010, 09:12:05 AM
Uptown.... Prozac is your friend.  Take it large doses.           :cry
Title: Re: The CON weapons
Post by: waystin2 on October 25, 2010, 09:14:57 AM
Hello Uptown,

You gotta lighten up and enjoy the break from the grind brother.  It was here and gone in less than 4 hours.

 :salute

Way
Title: Re: The CON weapons
Post by: The Fugitive on October 25, 2010, 09:19:12 AM
Same here, it was fun. I do remember one year I wasn't to happy with it. It was the year we got the ME163. We were on the old AKdesert map (pizza) and our squad (444th Air Mafia) was running ops. We were try to take abase, one of the higher alt ones and all of a sudden all of these 163's come swooping in and just wiped us out, we never stood a chance!

- think it might have been around that time I finally figured out that this was a game and were just here to have fun. Been having a blast ever since!  <S> HTC
Title: Re: The CON weapons
Post by: ImADot on October 25, 2010, 09:19:36 AM
Hey Uptown,

Even though I have not been able to attend any of these conventions, I think it's great that HTC shows interest in their players.  They are very active on the BBS, they are very approachable via email or phone calls, they like to have fun (Great Pumpkin and Santa Claus flying around on those holidays), etc., etc.

As far as everyone's whines about them wasting time on attending the conventions, throwing together something fun and hysterical for the con-goers, not adding all the ludicrous requests for ridiculous things (just check out the wishlist sometime), and your whine in this thread...

Suck it up and just have fun.
Title: Re: The CON weapons
Post by: Dadsguns on October 25, 2010, 09:23:24 AM
..........There are a million things that could be developed for the Game, but what does HTC come up with? Sharks, lazer beams and pink poop!? Come on HTC. ....... I personally find the con night to be a huge turnoff.
...........

FIXED:

Agreed.  Also to the extent that it seems more is put into the con than the game itself.  
It must have taken plenty of time to develop all the things for the CON night, you would think and hope that it would not detract from the ongoing development of the game.
Title: Re: The CON weapons
Post by: uptown on October 25, 2010, 09:23:33 AM
Ok guys you're missing my point here. HTC has pages upon pages of requests for new things and sneak peeks of what's coming in the updates it seems like common sense to me that the evil con missions would be the perfect time for this type of thing. Not space monkeys and lazer beams. Who here has requested a claw and space poop?

Dad gets it  :aok

Title: Re: The CON weapons
Post by: Boozeman on October 25, 2010, 09:27:38 AM
Hmm, am I the only one seeing SPACES HIGH comming soon on XBox live?  :noid  :bolt:
Title: Re: The CON weapons
Post by: uptown on October 25, 2010, 09:30:56 AM
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Title: Re: The CON weapons
Post by: CAV on October 25, 2010, 09:37:18 AM

I look at it this way......

If they have time to model all that B.S. for CON night....

Why are we STILL waiting for planes like the He-111....

Something players have been asking for , for like 10 years?

CAVALRY
Title: Re: The CON weapons
Post by: uptown on October 25, 2010, 09:38:23 AM
BINGO!
Title: Re: The CON weapons
Post by: ImADot on October 25, 2010, 09:42:33 AM
I look at it this way......

If they have time to model all that B.S. for CON night....

Why are we STILL waiting for planes like the He-111....

Something players have been asking for , for like 10 years?

CAVALRY

It probably took them one (maybe two) days to make the models.  Probably took an hour or two to apply an existing flight model to it and tweak it.   Creating a new plane to add to the game takes much longer, since they need to model it accurately and make sure the flight model is a true-to-life as possible.  If you guys are so wrapped up in this game to complain about something as trivial as this, you need to take some time away.
Title: Re: The CON weapons
Post by: Dawger on October 25, 2010, 09:44:02 AM
When you model a UFO there is very little need to create incredibly accurate 3D models based upon hours of historical research.

There is also little need to carefully model the flying characteristics to match the known physics and performance of an historical vehicle.

In other words it is a little bit of fun for the guys who spend much time and effort on Aces High as well as fun for the con participants.

All work and no play makes people go work somewhere else.
Title: Re: The CON weapons
Post by: Superfly on October 25, 2010, 09:44:38 AM
For once it'd be nice to see something actually based on reality.

You got your 'once' when we had the ME163 as a con plane.  So there.  :neener:
Title: Re: The CON weapons
Post by: whiteman on October 25, 2010, 09:46:29 AM
I look at it like this, it's a fun project and change of pace from the every day grind. Plus the name of the company is not Uptown Creations.
Title: Re: The CON weapons
Post by: shiv on October 25, 2010, 09:58:11 AM
Don't forget Santa and his sleigh on Christmas Eve.  And that giant friggin' pumpkin.  That's a Beaufighter and two new maps there too prolly.    :noid

Can't believe people are complaining about this.

Title: Re: The CON weapons
Post by: Dragon on October 25, 2010, 10:08:18 AM


edit:  :cry

Fixed


I was expecting more substance from a lawman from carolina. And Dragon if you'll notice the difference between our quotes of each other, i've added commentary with mine as to follow the BBS rules set forth.

 (http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk121/TheAmish/165638058046904ab157be1.gif)

And fixed
Title: Re: The CON weapons
Post by: Changeup on October 25, 2010, 10:09:50 AM
(Pulling out recliner and popping corn....this might be better than the Texas Ranger-San Francisco Giant World Series!)
Title: Re: The CON weapons
Post by: FiLtH on October 25, 2010, 10:16:05 AM
     I have no clue what it takes to produce the planes in here, but I do know what it is to work. Sometimes its nice to do something a little different, like make a spaceship or a shark. Something light and fun. Anything different for a refreshing change of pace.
Title: Re: The CON weapons
Post by: oakranger on October 25, 2010, 10:17:09 AM
Don't forget Santa and his sleigh on Christmas Eve.  And that giant friggin' pumpkin.  That's a Beaufighter and two new maps there too prolly.    :noid



They have a giant pumpkin on Halloween?
Title: Re: The CON weapons
Post by: uptown on October 25, 2010, 10:17:55 AM
Uptown Creations has a nice ring to it  :lol

Those are good points about the time it takes to model real aircraft as opposed to sci-fi. As far as the con ships goes i guess it would be a good change of pace for the staff at HTC and the attendees of the con. I can buy that.

I'm just voicing an opinion and thinking out loud here. There shouldn't be any reason to think i'm untight, stressed or out of my mind. jeez guys.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: The CON weapons
Post by: Dadsguns on October 25, 2010, 10:18:35 AM
Our Federal Government has a wast, fraud, and abuse hotline number................. Just sayin...  :devil



 :rofl
Title: Re: The CON weapons
Post by: uptown on October 25, 2010, 10:21:33 AM
i'm going to be needing that abuse number i'm afraid  :(

I do dig the Santa though.   :rock

(http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk121/TheAmish/_can-o-worms.gif)

Title: Re: The CON weapons
Post by: shiv on October 25, 2010, 10:30:49 AM
They have a giant pumpkin on Halloween?

Yeah, last year was first maybe, or at least first time I saw it.
Title: Re: The CON weapons
Post by: Changeup on October 25, 2010, 10:35:40 AM
Yum...popcorn is good....but this + popcorn is much better!  The HTC CON was an audition for a GEICO commercial..."welcome to planet earth"

Changeup
Title: Re: The CON weapons
Post by: oakranger on October 25, 2010, 10:40:34 AM
Yeah, last year was first maybe, or at least first time I saw it.

I must have mist it.  Thx
Title: Re: The CON weapons
Post by: Dichotomy on October 25, 2010, 10:42:27 AM
Uptown Creations has a nice ring to it  :lol

Those are good points about the time it takes to model real aircraft as opposed to sci-fi. As far as the con ships goes i guess it would be a good change of pace for the staff at HTC and the attendees of the con. I can buy that.

I'm just voicing an opinion and thinking out loud here. There shouldn't be any reason to think i'm untight, stressed or out of my mind. jeez guys.  :rolleyes:

you're an uptight meanie poopiehead :D

I love the once a year change of pace.  It makes me laugh hysterically
Title: Re: The CON weapons
Post by: greens on October 25, 2010, 10:43:05 AM
Only happens once a year, keeps the con goers happy (and we pay for it)

17 hours driving from Fargo ND
Hotel for 3 nights at 75$ a night.
125$ con registration fee

Flying a Claw at the evil con mission, Priceless!

ONLY!!!!! me n my wifes trip--->
              airfare=$1400 HOTEL=$450 NOW QUIT WHININ
Title: Re: The CON weapons
Post by: groundfeeder on October 25, 2010, 10:46:50 AM
me, i loved it for a change!   

find nothing wrong with doing that once a year,besides if you didnt want to around them......move to new base.

all in all   :aok
Title: Re: The CON weapons
Post by: uptown on October 25, 2010, 10:52:22 AM
The more replys I see, the more I'm starting to believe that i am getting old and grouchy  :cry


Golf clap for Dragon. He actually formed a word or two.  :aok
Title: Re: The CON weapons
Post by: Shuffler on October 25, 2010, 11:05:16 AM
Every year..... same complaints.

It only happens once a year. You should be enjoying it. If not just stay off for one day.

It's SPECIAL for the folks who could and did make the Con.
Title: Re: The CON weapons
Post by: Yeager on October 25, 2010, 11:08:22 AM
Chill out uptown.  It's one night a year for a very special event.  If you are so disturbed by it then let me make a suggestion: Next year on that one special Saturday of 2011, just take you family out to dinner.  Maybe a movie.....or if your cheap stay home and read a book...whatever.  Skip AH for the evening.  Spare yourself the trouble.  Or just come to MidWar :)
Title: Re: The CON weapons
Post by: SunBat on October 25, 2010, 11:15:42 AM
It takes untold hours to accurately model a WWII era airplane and its ord.  To make a CLAW takes a fraction of that.  You should be thankful that they don't waste a bunch of time coming up with an aircraft that only shows up once a year.  That way they have more time to spend on things like the Betty. 

Title: Re: The CON weapons
Post by: Pyro on October 25, 2010, 11:16:06 AM
Adding a real plane is not equivalent to adding a con plane .  You're a couple orders of magnitude off on the difference in man hours involved.  If planes could be created at the same rate we implemented these space ships, we would have had a massive complete plane set in the first year.  It would be like me advising a player to buy a high end video card instead of an ice cream cone, they are not close to equivalent.  We didn't even build the space ship shapes, we spent like $20 for them.  Regardless, the goal was to have irreverent fun for a few hours and that mission was accomplished.

Title: Re: The CON weapons
Post by: FLS on October 25, 2010, 11:17:03 AM
WW2 realism is in the AVA, scenarios, etc not the main arenas. Modeling an imaginary spaceship is a lot easier than accurately modeling an actual aircraft. An evil con mission with an early war bomber or middle of the pack fighter wouldn't be very evil. It's a game, it's for fun, it's fun for HTC, it's a treat for those who go to the con. You want a new aircraft introduced? How about the "Betty"?  If you're old enough to be grouchy you're old enough to be open minded.  :old:
Title: Re: The CON weapons
Post by: JunkyII on October 25, 2010, 11:24:22 AM
Yea those purple farts looked reaaaaaaaaaaaaaal cool.............my 2 month old cousin could add that crap into the game. It was a great time waiting for the Claws to come out and killing them.

Thank you HTC for a great time :salute
Title: Re: The CON weapons
Post by: SunBat on October 25, 2010, 11:30:04 AM
It takes untold hours to accurately model a WWII era airplane and its ord.  To make a CLAW takes a fraction of that.  You should be thankful that they don't waste a bunch of time coming up with an aircraft that only shows up once a year.  That way they have more time to spend on things like the Betty. 

+

You can't equivocate adding a real plane to adding a con plane.  You're a couple orders of magnitude off on the difference in man hours involved.  If planes could be created at the same rate we implemented these space ships, we would have had a massive complete plane set in the first year.  It would be like me advising a player to buy a high end video card instead of an ice cream cone, they are not close to equivalent.  We didn't even build the space ship shapes, we spent like $20 for them.  Regardless, the goal was to have irreverent fun for a few hours and that mission was accomplished.

= MY SIG 
Title: Re: The CON weapons
Post by: Dragon on October 25, 2010, 11:36:39 AM
The more reply's see, the more I'm starting to believe that i am getting old and grouchy  :cry


You are.



Golf clap for Dragon. He actually formed a word or two.  :aok

baby steps


Title: Re: The CON weapons
Post by: Zoney on October 25, 2010, 11:41:08 AM
I thought it was cool, and a different kind of fun for awhile.

Flew to the mothership to check it out, engaged a claw, got shot down, laughed a bit.

Chose an area they were not flying in, had some fun.

Flew back to the mothership, had some fun.

Went to another area they were not flying, hunted some bombers.


You guys complaining, you know you didn't have to fly near them don't ya?
Guys complaining about time wasted (when actually there was very little), think of it as a vacation for HTC staff, should they work for you then also?


Lighten up fellas, it's all good  :salute
Title: Re: The CON weapons
Post by: Yeager on October 25, 2010, 11:47:46 AM
what does "equivocate" mean?
Title: Re: The CON weapons
Post by: uptown on October 25, 2010, 12:00:49 PM
I'm happy to hear from someone on the HTC staff on this one :). I do try to be opened minded. This is why i brought this up. I wanted to know what others thought. Seems my perspective on the con missions isn't in tune with the vast majority here. Me not having a clue on the time and effort that goes into these things doesn't help matters any. Sometimes I just have to ask questions and voice my opinion however unpopular it may be.
I still love ya HTC. I;m just not a big fan of the evil con missions I guess. But i'll keep trying.  :old:
Title: Re: The CON weapons
Post by: BiPoLaR on October 25, 2010, 12:06:19 PM
I would like to fly around in a pink suit shooting rainbow colored lightening bolts out of my bellybutton on con night. I think that would be epic!!!  :rock
Title: Re: The CON weapons
Post by: uptown on October 25, 2010, 12:10:07 PM
 :rofl  somehow Howard Stern as the fart man comes to mind.
Title: Re: The CON weapons
Post by: RufusLeaking on October 25, 2010, 12:16:31 PM
I was expecting more substance from a lawman from carolina.
You go that wrong.  It is NClawman.  This was all his idea.
Title: Re: The CON weapons
Post by: Pyro on October 25, 2010, 12:18:25 PM
what does "equivocate" mean?

Means I'm stupid.  I edited it.
Title: Re: The CON weapons
Post by: Shuffler on October 25, 2010, 12:34:17 PM
Means I'm stupid.  I edited it.

 :rofl

I missed the whole thing as I was in College Station.
Title: Re: The CON weapons
Post by: 321BAR on October 25, 2010, 01:08:57 PM
+

= MY SIG 
:rofl
Title: Re: The CON weapons
Post by: NCLawman on October 25, 2010, 02:32:37 PM
You go that wrong.  It is NClawman.  This was all his idea.

 :rock :rock

HECK YEA!    :banana:
Title: Re: The CON weapons
Post by: LLogann on October 25, 2010, 03:02:00 PM
I knew Voss never left......................... ..............    :bolt:

Uptown Creations has a nice ring to it  :lol

Those are good points about the time it takes to model real aircraft as opposed to sci-fi. As far as the con ships goes i guess it would be a good change of pace for the staff at HTC and the attendees of the con. I can buy that.

I'm just voicing an opinion and thinking out loud here. There shouldn't be any reason to think i'm untight, stressed or out of my mind. jeez guys.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: The CON weapons
Post by: Wiley on October 25, 2010, 03:08:15 PM
I thought it was hilarious during the discovery phase.  After a few sorties, it was apparent that 'that was all there was to it', and that was fine, it was no trouble to move to another area of the map and find other like-minded individuals.

The thing I liked the most about it though was the fact that as I was flying against them, I was hearing wonder, and laughter on range channel.  That doesn't happen often enough in this game.  Usually it's bickering about something or complaining about how someone got shot down, but for a couple hours Saturday night, people were actually just having fun.

Wiley.
Title: Re: The CON weapons
Post by: Slash27 on October 25, 2010, 03:17:36 PM

It's SPECIAL for the folks who could and did make the Con.
Yep, and it says a lot about the people at HTC for doing it for them every time.
Title: Re: The CON weapons
Post by: Belial on October 25, 2010, 03:18:55 PM
Hey look i'm not the only whiner in AH hehe...

Add the panther :neener:



Oh BTW i liked the claw boo uptown
Title: Re: The CON weapons
Post by: Knite on October 25, 2010, 03:31:54 PM
The thing I liked the most about it though was the fact that as I was flying against them, I was hearing wonder, and laughter on range channel.  That doesn't happen often enough in this game.  Usually it's bickering about something or complaining about how someone got shot down, but for a couple hours Saturday night, people were actually just having fun.

Bingo. My sentiments exactly.
Title: Re: The CON weapons
Post by: Beefcake on October 25, 2010, 03:44:58 PM
The build up before the CLAW launch was priceless. There were 50+ Knights & Rooks circling at about 20-46k! trying to reach the mothership before it came down. When the mothership finally came down and all those CLAWS dropped out of its butt the reaction on range channel was great! Everyone was panicking and quoting old SciFi movie's, man it was great.

And it only happens once a year for a few hours so get over it if you don't like it. 
Title: Re: The CON weapons
Post by: ink on October 25, 2010, 03:49:27 PM
im glad to see uptown is thinking a bit different since starting this thread....Ive been reading all about it...see I cant fly at this point...so when I read this, it made me think 'at least you get to fly.....shud-up'....:-)           in Arnold voice 'I'll be back.'
Title: Re: The CON weapons
Post by: Yeager on October 25, 2010, 08:11:01 PM
Means I'm stupid.  I edited it.
I thought it sounded very elequent.  I just forgot what it meant ;)

I still dont know hehe
Title: Re: The CON weapons
Post by: DaCoon on October 25, 2010, 08:20:53 PM
Hey uptown, you could have done what our squad did.... use the opportunity to jump a different base and start a fight.  :D
Title: Re: The CON weapons
Post by: USRanger on October 25, 2010, 08:23:56 PM
You guys (at the con) are lucky we couldn't land on the thing.  I was this close to posting a boarding party mission.
Title: Re: The CON weapons
Post by: DERK13 on October 25, 2010, 09:02:33 PM
so superfly does that mean we get CLAW spaceships now????lol
Title: Re: The CON weapons
Post by: SunBat on October 25, 2010, 10:19:12 PM
so superfly does that mean we get CLAW spaceships now????lol

Apparently u can buy one somewhere for 20 bucks.
Title: Re: The CON weapons
Post by: 4deck on October 26, 2010, 07:45:24 AM
Some people really need to lighten up. I can't believe some of the crap im reading.

For me, I had one of the best times in aces high, and all I did was fly up to the mothership, never fired a shot
at anything, just to hang out in the 0g atmosphere or whatever it was. I had requested people to join, and i felt more like a shuttle bus
taking people up to mothership. For me that was just a great experience. I dont know what kind of altering of winds or gravity
but to fly in that was just awesome me. HUGE SALUTE for that.

Anyway I had a great time.
Cheers :aok
Title: Re: The CON weapons
Post by: Gwjr2 on October 26, 2010, 09:32:51 PM
All I can say is....

(http://www.motifake.com/image/demotivational-poster/small/0909/lighten-up-anyone-touches-my-stuff-and-i-ll-kill-you-demotivational-poster-1253664846.jpg)
Title: Re: The CON weapons
Post by: BaldEagl on October 27, 2010, 12:08:47 AM
Adding a real plane is not equivalent to adding a con plane .  You're a couple orders of magnitude off on the difference in man hours involved.  If planes could be created at the same rate we implemented these space ships, we would have had a massive complete plane set in the first year.  It would be like me advising a player to buy a high end video card instead of an ice cream cone, they are not close to equivalent.  We didn't even build the space ship shapes, we spent like $20 for them.  Regardless, the goal was to have irreverent fun for a few hours and that mission was accomplished.



I'm not buying it.  By all accounts the sharks with freaking lazer beams on their heads were accuratly modeled as were the lazer beam ballistics.
Title: Re: The CON weapons
Post by: 4deck on October 28, 2010, 07:58:24 AM
All I can say is....

(http://www.motifake.com/image/demotivational-poster/small/0909/lighten-up-anyone-touches-my-stuff-and-i-ll-kill-you-demotivational-poster-1253664846.jpg)

Thats what im talking about
Title: Re: The CON weapons
Post by: Plawranc on October 29, 2010, 12:45:08 AM
What I said in the wishlist I am saying here too.

Its just a fun thing, and say we have alien invasion nights on the anniversery of the Bermuda triangle disappearance where CLAWS attack players in TBMS, or something of the like. Just so these cool things are not one off.

its a lame example but I would like to see an arena, or monthly thing where it allows us to test out these beast machines. TA would be my choice.
Title: Re: The CON weapons
Post by: Bronk on October 29, 2010, 05:13:25 AM
Only happens once a year, keeps the con goers happy (and we pay for it)

17 hours driving from Fargo ND
Hotel for 3 nights at 75$ a night.
125$ con registration fee

Flying a Claw at the evil con mission and making uptown whine on the bbs,Priceless!

Fixed :D
Title: Re: The CON weapons
Post by: Pigslilspaz on October 29, 2010, 02:55:40 PM
Means I'm stupid.  I edited it.

new sig addon
Title: Re: The CON weapons
Post by: dmdchief on October 30, 2010, 12:32:03 PM
Well I for one look forward to the con 'EVIL CON MISSION", even when I don't get to go, I love them.  I missed it this year as I had to go back to work, but to make a big deal over something like this is sooooo childish and immature it is beyond belief, you have to be a liberal democrat to take this kind of offense at something that is supposed to be for fun.  If you would ever go to the con and talk to the guys that develop this game you would have a better understanding at just how much work they do.


Just my opinion
ab8aac/dmdchief/aac
out
Title: Re: The CON weapons
Post by: Cavalry3 on December 13, 2010, 08:07:20 PM
I suppose the con is a promotional event related to their bottom line? I further suppose that adding the He-111 would not directly generate more income for them. It would make some of us happy to see it tho.
Title: Re: The CON weapons
Post by: dunnrite on December 13, 2010, 08:09:56 PM
I suppose the con is a promotional event related to their bottom line? I further suppose that adding the He-111 would not directly generate more income for them. It would make some of us happy to see it tho.
:huh

really?
Title: Re: The CON weapons
Post by: LLogann on December 13, 2010, 08:10:46 PM
Is your name Ray Guy?  

I suppose the con is a promotional event related to their bottom line? I further suppose that adding the He-111 would not directly generate more income for them. It would make some of us happy to see it tho.

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_s4hF8uLmeFY/TGA1Lx0nCYI/AAAAAAAAAic/sZYqRdfaiZY/s1600/ray-guy.jpg)
Title: Re: The CON weapons
Post by: uptown on December 13, 2010, 09:25:11 PM
Oh God I'm in Hell......................aga in  :cry


stupid Claws ! And Star Wars sucked too!!!!@@#!@#@#!! :furious