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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Lusche on October 29, 2010, 08:48:32 PM
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Some of you may only barely remember, many haven't been here back then.
For those wondering about how the last poll went (and to prevent nekrobumps), this is how it went:
The contestants:
Brewster Buffalo
A-26
B-25
G.55
He 111
" A Japanese fighter"
Me 410
P-39
"A Russian bomber"
Yak-3
Round 1 eliminated Brewster Buffalo, G.55, Japanese fighter, and Russian bomber
Round 2 saw He 111 and Me 410 leaving the competition
In round 3 the Yak-3 was kicked
The A-26 was eliminated in round 4
Final round: B-25 did win over the P-39 by a very narrow margin.
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in other words, the b29 will win the popular vote :)
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in other words, the b29 will win the popular vote :)
Obviously, there is a much greater population in the game than just represented on the forms. Who wouldn't want a nook!
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Obviously, there is a much greater population in the game than just represented on the forms. Who wouldn't want a nook!
There will be no nuke. The B-29A and nook are 100% unrelated.
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There will be no nuke. The B-29A and nook are 100% unrelated.
Does the average voter realize this? I can only guess how many of the B-25 voters in 2007 hoped for taking off from CV's... ;)
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Yes, lets vote. The democracy. Lets vote again and again and again untill there's no American aircraft to add.... :(
Well, I guess it is just as good option as adding planes like the Betty. It is true that the MA-favourites will see more use overall.
Well, I have voted, that's all I can do.
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Yes, lets vote. The democracy. Lets vote again and again and again untill there's no American aircraft to add.... :(
Point of order: The B-25 and P-39 have turned out to be VERY good adds for a number of scenarios, including early PTO, North Africa/Mediterranean, and the Eastern Front (not so much the B-25 for the Eastern Front, but the P-39 was practically a NECESSITY). Granted, I think the Betty and Oscar should have been first due to the very porous Japanese plane set, but it's REALLY hard to say that the B-25 and P-39 were poor choices taken in context of the entire game.
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Who wouldn't want a nook!
Upon witnessing the first atomic weapon detonate at the test site in Alamogordo New Mexico, Oppenheimer was reminded of a passage from the Hindu holy book Bhagavad Gita:
"I am become death, the destroyer of worlds."
We need the B29. We do not need the nook!
:rock
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What are the chances of more Yak fighter series squeaking by?
for example:
(missing)
yak-1
Yak-3
yak-7
yak-9D
(in-game)
yak-9T
Yak-9U
That plane is Red Army's main fighter as to Luftwaffe's 109 and RAF's spitfire.
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did you by chance read my wish for these planes, it goes heavily into detail about all of the variants you just listed
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There will be no nuke. The B-29A and nook are 100% unrelated.
One can just hope that in the next round the line "no nook" will be added to the B29 choice. Just to level the playing field...
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Does the average voter realize this? I can only guess how many of the B-25 voters in 2007 hoped for taking off from CV's... ;)
ummm I can do it... just sayin :D
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If HTC thinks the M-18 would disrupt the ground war, we will never see any GOOD late war birds like a B29........
Sad really....... Maybe Lusche saw the writing on the walls before the rest of us?
If they don't want to "unbalance" then we will never see anything good anymore.
So where do we go from here?
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If HTC thinks the M-18 would disrupt the ground war, we will never see any GOOD late war birds like a B29........
Sad really....... Maybe Lusche saw the writing on the walls before the rest of us?
If they don't want to "unbalance" then we will never see anything good anymore.
So where do we go from here?
Pretty much all of the good late war birds are already in the game. The B29 is the only big one thats missing.
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Boy's, (the only good late war plane missing is the B-29...) < thats just wrong, icky, repugnent, and downright silly!
We dont have an A-26 in the hanger yet..., and that thing is a beautiful piece of hardware.
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in other words, the b29 will win the popular vote :)
I second your vote for the B-29,,,
:lol
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I think each a/c type should be represented on a Japanese game show. Voting is so dry. ;)
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Yes, lets vote. The democracy. Lets vote again and again and again untill there's no American aircraft to add.... :(
Well, I guess it is just as good option as adding planes like the Betty. It is true that the MA-favourites will see more use overall.
Well, I have voted, that's all I can do.
Actually if you have such a big problem with HTC's plane choice you could always design your
own WW2 multiplayer flight sim. Since the overwhelming majority of HTC's customer base is in
the US, it's not too surprising that people will vote for what they are most familiar with.
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Yes, lets vote. The democracy. Lets vote again and again and again untill there's no American aircraft to add.... :(
Well, I guess it is just as good option as adding planes like the Betty. It is true that the MA-favourites will see more use overall.
Well, I have voted, that's all I can do.
2.5 years ago the Brewster was kicked out in the first round... and was still added later. :)
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Point of order: The B-25 and P-39 have turned out to be VERY good adds for a number of scenarios, including early PTO, North Africa/Mediterranean, and the Eastern Front (not so much the B-25 for the Eastern Front, but the P-39 was practically a NECESSITY). Granted, I think the Betty and Oscar should have been first due to the very porous Japanese plane set, but it's REALLY hard to say that the B-25 and P-39 were poor choices taken in context of the entire game.
You didn't get my point. I never said P-39 or B-25 were bad additions. My point is that from here on is that, if we keep voting, A-26, B-29, P-61, SB2C or any American plane that is included in the vote will win over planes that would roundout the planeset better. There really aren't any American planes left to add that enjoy a true "work horse" status in terms of use/numbers except the B-29 which on the otherhand wouldn't add much to the scenarios; not much fun to try to intercept them in a scenario with the Japanese planeset and the US bomber department is over bloated as it is.
(not so much the B-25 for the Eastern Front, but the P-39 was practically a NECESSITY)
P-39 isn't a practical necessity for the Eastern Front. Much more early Yak fighters were delivered in '42/'43 compared to the P-39. Overall, lead-lease is no excuse at all not to include the early Soviet types.
Actually if you have such a big problem with HTC's plane choice you could always design your
own WW2 multiplayer flight sim.
Oh please...
I have a right to voice my opinion just like veryone else. The fact that I threw a bit of sarcasm in there doesn't make my point any less valid though. I guess I could have used a bit different tone. It's just that I've waited couple most important workhorses for the Japanese/Soviet planesets since 2002-2003. So the tone was frustration coming through. The Betty is a great great addition in this regard but with the rate the planes have been coming during the last 3-4 years it can be another two years before we see any gap fillers again. And that is not a dig at HTC at all. I know that there are other areas of the game they also work on. I'm just being a realist.
Since the overwhelming majority of HTC's customer base is in
the US, it's not too surprising that people will vote for what they are most familiar with.
Oh really? Darn, didn't have this figured out. Thanks!
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2.5 years ago the Brewster was kicked out in the first round... and was still added later. :)
Not an American plane in this context. B239 didn't see operational use with the USN or USAAF.
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Not an American plane in this context.
Did I say so?
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Did I say so?
No you didn't. I guess I misunderstood your point? :confused: Can I kindly ask what was it? :)
EDIT/Sorry sorry, totally misread your original post! darn. Yes, you are correct. But like I said, it takes a lot of time these days./EDIT
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From an SEA designers POV I have to say the two best additions I have ever seen in AH were the B-25 and the P-39. They are great to plug into East Front, Med and Pacific setups. They have been absolutely great additions in that regard. I cant think of two planes that were more versatile than those two. Now with the I-16, BREW, and now the G4M Betty, things are really moving along nicely.
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They are great to plug into East Front
Granded I haven't designed a single scenario but speaking in historical context, I don't really see B-25 as a "great" plugto Eastern Front. While they were delivered to the SU, the numbers were small compared to the overall sceme of things. In terms of performance, it is a good Il-4 replacement but not really a Eastern Front workhorse in the true sense of the word.
Now with the I-16, BREW, and now the G4M Betty, things are really moving along nicely.
Yeh, these planes make a great trend. A trend which I would like to see continued. ;) I guess I'm just too impatient when it comes to the rate at which these things get added. :( I fondly remember "the good old days" when new planes came in huge packs. :cry :old: I do realize that the models are complex nowadays.
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I think each a/c type should be represented on a Japanese game show. Voting is so dry. ;)
:rofl
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You of all people should know better..... We never got the Buffalo. (Which was the voting plane, no?)
2.5 years ago the Brewster was kicked out in the first round... and was still added later. :)
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You of all people should know better..... We never got the Buffalo. (Which was the voting plane, no?)
Yes, I of all people do know :P
That was more a generic label for the Brewster at that time, it was clear that the Finnish version was meant from start:
Brewster Buffalo – My sentimental choice to win. For nearly 12 years, Finns have asked me for this. Their passion for this plane is contagious. I’ve wanted to give them one ever since I read Double Fighter Knight about 10 years ago. That really gave me an appreciation of the FAF and the sturdiness of Finns in general. Of course, now that I’ve said it’s my sentimental favorite, if it happens to win it will provoke more conspiracy theories than Patrick Ewing going to the Knicks in the first NBA draft lottery.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,201490.msg2367645.html#msg2367645
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I hadn't read that.......... I hope you can forgive my questioning. :salute
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Naah, your objection was valid... And I was just lucky to have a good memory for such petty detail. I'm just cursing at the broken advanced search that makes it difficult to find again messages that you know to be be out there :furious
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2.5 years ago the Brewster was kicked out in the first round... and was still added later. :)
Let's have a vote to kick it out again. :D
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We dont have an A-26 in the hanger yet..., and that thing is a beautiful piece of hardware.
BUT the question remains in my mind....Why is an A-26 needed when there are so many missing pieces that are needed from other countries air/naval air forces from WW2? What makes that plane necessary and a valuable addition OVER the other aircraft needed from Britain, Germany, Japan and the former Soviet Union?
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Keep in mind that voting for an aircraft simply shows the popular preference. It doesn't supply HTC with all the data they need to model it properly.
Posting the information from wiki along with a picture is not sufficient. :D
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Upon witnessing the first atomic weapon detonate at the test site in Alamogordo New Mexico, Oppenheimer was reminded of a passage from the Hindu holy book Bhagavad Gita:
"I am become death, the destroyer of worlds."
We need the B29. We do not need the nook!
:rock
He was just trying to impress the gang! Everyone keeps a copy of the ol' BG for just such an occasion!
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The thread pyro posted the other day was this:
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,299257.0.html
I'm going to run a "what plane do you most want to see in AH" poll to help plot our future development course. 8 planes will be used in the initial poll, we'll take the top 4 of those results and re-poll and then take the top 2 results of that for the final run-off. Use this thread to nominate planes for the poll. List 1 to 8 planes you want to see in the poll but keep it to one reply.
<edit>This is for new planes only, not updates or variants of existing planes, e.g. Ju 87G.
out of that thread they took 7 or 8 (?) planes for the in-game poll. damn why did i not get screenshot :rolleyes:
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I think that the Betty, He 111, Pe-2, early Yak variants, and the Ki-43 would rank high in a poll because people think of special events when considering what to add. Anyway, we've seen (as Squire pointed out) the P-39, B-25, I-16, Brewster, and soon we'll see the Betty. Those are all quite useful planes for special events, and they aren't the B-29 or P-61. I don't think we need to worry about additions being biased toward late-war American planes.
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I don't think we need to worry about additions being biased toward late-war American planes.
word :cheers:
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BUT the question remains in my mind....Why is an A-26 needed when there are so many missing pieces that are needed from other countries air/naval air forces from WW2? What makes that plane necessary and a valuable addition OVER the other aircraft needed from Britain, Germany, Japan and the former Soviet Union?
Point of order: no planes are actually 'necessary'.
Also, part of the argument for the A-26 is that it would be a nice plane to blow away some bomber perks on, and it would also quite flexible (which neither of our current perked bombers are), as well as reasonably survivable in an MA environment.
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When voting I dont think of SEA at all....
I fly late war almost 100% of the time. I dont practice in the MA to get better for the SEA, I practice to get better in the MA.
KI-43 was my choice because Im a fan of both the Fighter style KI's ingame at the moment, Id like to see how this one does against late war birds.
Id like to see the numbers for people who fly for SEA or who would rather just fly in the MA instead.
I think that the Betty, He 111, Pe-2, early Yak variants, and the Ki-43 would rank high in a poll because people think of special events when considering what to add.
Kind of on a similar level as Wmaker about American planes, Id rather see them fill slots where we dont have anything for it in the MA....Russian, Jap planes.
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I don't think we need to worry about additions being biased toward late-war American planes.
HA!
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HA!
I see your ha, raise you one ha, and call. :)
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I think each a/c type should be represented on a Japanese game show. Voting is so dry. ;)
Now we are on to something, like a most extreme challenge where proponents of particular aircraft battle it out for inclusion.
(http://www.hispeed.rogers.com/bband/content/yahoo/spotlight/tvstevie/images/2008/07/20080711_mxc.jpg)
(http://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/images/reviews/190/1177160696_4.jpg)
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Upon witnessing the first atomic weapon detonate at the test site in Alamogordo New Mexico, Oppenheimer was reminded of a passage from the Hindu holy book Bhagavad Gita:
"I am become death, the destroyer of worlds."
We need the B29. We do not need the nook!
:rock
I asked my local Hindu shop owner if he heard of the above passage he said "get out of my shop if your not buying anything" I left none the wiser :banana:
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At first I clicked "A-36", and then I realized that the P-51B doesn't get used much anyway, so why bother with an even earlier model. I also realized that there were only 5 Japanese fighters - A6M2, A6M5, N1k2, Ki-87, and Ki-61. Of those, only 3 are used with any regularity in the MA. So, I voted Ki-43, as I'm waiting to see if a pair of nose-mounted 20mike-mikes in an Oscar will bring any players to the table. A lot of Japanese aces got their kills in one, too. I'm hoping some day the Ki-44 Shoki will be available, along with the French D.520.
I thought about voting Pe-2, but anything it can do the IL-2 can do better; or any of the American bombers.