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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Imowface on November 03, 2010, 07:19:16 AM
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F.A.A.T
Furballers Against Alt Tards
Took off from a base today in a sector with the biggest dar, thinking oh goody, there is a good fight going on down there so I level at 9K ( I was in my La-5 so that is my preferred altitude)
and then when I get in range of the base, I look down, see nothing, and think to myself, oh wow, they are so low to the water I cant even see their icons, then as I got closer looked up, and as I said, I was at 9K, and this massive cloud of about 25 -30 planes, all enemy, was just loitering at what seemed like 18 to 25k over the base doing nothing!, there were tons of friendlies taking off below that would be easy pickings, but no most of them just hung out way up there, a few came down, made one pass then ran away, and that was my night in TT, so I went to the DA and had fun in real furballs.
so for all you guys who just enjoy the furball and don't want to worry about alt monkeys, throw this in your sig and show your support for the furball!
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F.A.A.T
Furballers Against Alt Tards
Took off from a base today in a sector with the biggest dar, thinking oh goody, there is a good fight going on down there so I level at 9K ( I was in my La-5 so that is my preferred altitude)
and then when I get in range of the base, I look down, see nothing, and think to myself, oh wow, they are so low to the water I cant even see their icons, then as I got closer looked up, and as I said, I was at 9K, and this massive cloud of about 25 -30 planes, all enemy, was just loitering at what seemed like 18 to 25k over the base doing nothing!, there were tons of friendlies taking off below that would be easy pickings, but no most of them just hung out way up there, a few came down, made one pass then ran away, and that was my night in TT, so I went to the DA and had fun in real furballs.
so for all you guys who just enjoy the furball and don't want to worry about alt monkeys, throw this in your sig and show your support for the furball!
:salute
they were doing something.
they were trying to lure guys like you into the area, and they probably thought that whomever came would assume a low alt fight was on.......
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we had the same amount of planes as them in the area, and all they did was sit up there with a huge advantage, it was just weird, it could have been a great fight but they never made a move
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Fight???? What's that? Certainly nothing you would see in the MAs on TT!
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The AvA arena saw lots of people and lots of good fights. A great alternative to TT or anytime the main arenas are seeming especially lame.
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F.A.A.T
Furballers Against Alt Tards
so I level at 9K ( I was in my La-5 so that is my preferred altitude)
Alt tard :rofl
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The AvA arena saw lots of people and lots of good fights. A great alternative to TT or anytime the main arenas are seeming especially lame.
i found bombers up high. it was hard as hell to catch em in the ole 38g. i had a con follow me whil;e i was following him....i finally got the bombers, but lost an engine in the process....got careless. then, watching the con that was stalking me(i was hiding on the deck), i hit the water. :rofl
before that though, was constant fights low alt, and afterwards too.
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The AvA arena saw lots of people and lots of good fights. A great alternative to TT or anytime the main arenas are seeming especially lame.
If nothing else, IMADOT is an opportunist! Any thread that has a negative spin on the arenas, he's right there plugging the AvA!! I love it! IMADOT, I have passed your resume along to our company's marketing and exploitation group...you're gonna be a rich man.
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im not blaming anything on the arenas, but for some reason less and less people are going out and looking for a real fight, it is happening in the DA too, which is suprising
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im not blaming anything on the arenas, but for some reason less and less people are going out and looking for a real fight, it is happening in the DA too, which is suprising
Yeah, it's funny to me to look at the radar in the DA when there are a bunch of people in the arena and see blobs of red off of each base and a reluctance to move to the middle. When you fly over to that blob you will find that many of the cons are between 15 and 20k. The blob waits for one con to venture in then they dive on him like a flock of gulls after a french fry and compete with each other to see who can get the kill before the other one. Once they have a massed an amazing 2 kills in their tempest, they run back and land and show how awesome they are for being the fastest gull to the fry.
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If nothing else, IMADOT is an opportunist! Any thread that has a negative spin on the arenas, he's right there plugging the AvA!! I love it! IMADOT, I have passed your resume along to our company's marketing and exploitation group...you're gonna be a rich man.
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a few of us do the same thing.
:aok
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im not blaming anything on the arenas, but for some reason less and less people are going out and looking for a real fight, it is happening in the DA too, which is suprising
no it's not.
no one can handle losing a fight anymore. well....most can't.
come to the ava, and see how many people laugh at themselves when they lose a fight
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Yeah, it's funny to me to look at the radar in the DA when there are a bunch of people in the arena and see blobs of red off of each base and a reluctance to move to the middle. When you fly over to that blob you will find that many of the cons are between 15 and 20k. The blob waits for one con to venture in then they dive on him like a flock of gulls after a french fry and compete with each other to see who can get the kill before the other one. Once they have a massed an amazing 2 kills in their tempest, they run back and land and show how awesome they are for being the fastest gull to the fry.
Yeah, it saddens me when I see this in the DA. :cry
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Yeah, it's funny to me to look at the radar in the DA when there are a bunch of people in the arena and see blobs of red off of each base and a reluctance to move to the middle. When you fly over to that blob you will find that many of the cons are between 15 and 20k. The blob waits for one con to venture in then they dive on him like a flock of gulls after a french fry and compete with each other to see who can get the kill before the other one. Once they have a massed an amazing 2 kills in their tempest, they run back and land and show how awesome they are for being the fastest gull to the fry.
SunBat :salute
I stopped going in there regularly about a year ago for that very reason, along with pilots making UNBELIEVEABLE shots (another F3 story). To tell you the truth, what made me move on was one night on one of the small fields with: SunBat, MugZ, Grizz, Squat2, JunkyII, MtnMan, Kappa, Suns, Ardy123, ElBurro, Agent360, Hlbly, Flench, and Dodger. I still have the video of it...first red guy you see is called out on open VOX and you get it on. I had been a DA lake guy for the first year I played the game...every single night. Why is this important? In my 45 year old, new-to-online-gaming opinion, they embody the character of how the game should be played. They had fun flying and dying...no egos seemed to be present, lots of questions (mostly me....SunBat, how are you able to be in a dive while climbing?) a ton of laughing and they all talked about having fun with the free planes and learning to fight low and slow and personal without it being personal; all of them would answer any question you had. No ankle humping here....I got smoked early and often but it was fun because of listening to them have a great time with NO VOX200 johnson-measuring...the guys that are good don't have to talk about it.
Point? The only way anyone gets better is die a lot....you can't die a lot if you are hanging out at 25K AGL waiting on some noob to climb his way up to you or running to your gaggle of green fellas. I love the 51 argument heard on VOX every night..."Im not gonna turn with a Spit, that is why I'm running"....I can think of a number of P51 drivers and other alt-friendly planes that turn with Spits everytime I see them...and I die every time...I guess at some point they made the decision to "fight" (and learn that plane). Even in a game, people want "safe" instead of risk...that won't change until there is more value placed on skill than pride...I was lucky...I was accidently taught by those guys that skill matters and there isn't much skill needed to fight with a group of friendlies (Yes I do it too because going to find a fight generally means others are already there but I don't mind diving into a horde just to see how many I can kill before I see blood on the canopy or my lights go out) but running when you see a blob of red? Does anyone really think that when its 9 v 1 that the one guy has no skill? He has no OPTIONS and there's a difference...and that is when you learn IMHO. I hate it too but really the only thing that pisses me off about that is that I have to fly all the way back to the fight after I die...and that takes too much time! lol
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I would fly into a 10v1 any day if I knew they wouldnt run away from me, happened in the DA last night pretty late too, was on the deck, I spoted 3 cons, two temps and an F4U, first temp dove turned once, when I went to turn with him, second temp came screaming in and took my horizontal stab, I then shot at the first temp, missed, he ran, meanwhile temp #2 is in his zoom climb and F4U is diving in, I reverse the F4U take his wing, and after that while the temp was diving on me he just broke off and went home with no kills this has happened to me in the MA before, and I just cant figure out why people are like this???
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I am an alt-monkey hunter. I regularly fly right on up to their alt and hunt them relentlessly. If they stay they die, if they run then they are someone else's problem. It is not unusual at all to get into a good dogfight at 22k or above an fight it out all the way to the deck. Had a great one last night. Me and a squaddie (Spit 8 & Pony D respectively) vs. 2 P47M's. We engaged the jugs at 23,000 feet and the fight went from there down to scraping wavetops. Both jugs went down in flames!!! Total fight time was over 8 minutes from start to resolution. You can't beat that! So my advice is simple: If you got alt, use it or you will lose it. If you are too lazy to fly on up there and get them, then there is no room for whining.
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I would fly into a 10v1 any day if I knew they wouldnt run away from me, happened in the DA last night pretty late too, was on the deck, I spoted 3 cons, two temps and an F4U, first temp dove turned once, when I went to turn with him, second temp came screaming in and took my horizontal stab, I then shot at the first temp, missed, he ran, meanwhile temp #2 is in his zoom climb and F4U is diving in, I reverse the F4U take his wing, and after that while the temp was diving on me he just broke off and went home with no kills this has happened to me in the MA before, and I just cant figure out why people are like this???
They value PRIDE more than SKILL I guess....who knows...if you would have questioned it on TXT, they would have said they were out of ammo! lmao
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If you are too lazy to fly on up there and get them, then there is no room for whining.
Or, option 3....learn to like being below them and watch them flail miserably at you, pass after pass after pass...then kill them when they've been milked out. Everyone loves alt...this thread is about fighting when you don't have any left and there are no green guys to push or tow you back up.
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Or, option 3....learn to like being below them and watch them flail miserably at you, pass after pass after pass...then kill them when they've been milked out. Everyone loves alt...this thread is about fighting when you don't have any left and there are no green guys to push or tow you back up.
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That's why I value you Changeup. You the anvil to the hammer baby! All I have to do is keeping pushing them down into the garbage disposal. OINK
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That's why I value you Changeup. You the anvil to the hammer baby! All I have to do is keeping pushing them down into the garbage disposal. OINK
:rofl :rock
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again, cons above me, I dont consider a problem, its when they stay up there as opposed to fighting is what I find annoying
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again, cons above me, I dont consider a problem, its when they stay up there as opposed to fighting is what I find annoying
I hear you Imowface. I have become a devout Grizzologist in my way of approaching the game. It's their 15 bucks, so if they want to spend their time high alt sightseeing and not engaging decisively, then so be it. Who am I to tell them how to play the game? So I go get them, because it's my 15 bucks, and my idea of fun is shooting red guys.
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again, cons above me, I dont consider a problem, its when they stay up there as opposed to fighting is what I find annoying
that is when you come in from a diff base atleast get coalt with them and clean them up done it many times mowface :salute i find fighting at higher altitudes is a challenge especially when fighting 4-5 guys at once :rock
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that is when you come in from a diff base atleast get coalt with them and clean them up done it many times mowface :salute i find fighting at higher altitudes is a challenge especially when fighting 4-5 guys at once :rock
Yes, challenging, bit yet still annoying and expsecially when they HO!
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Yes, challenging, bit yet still annoying and expsecially when they HO!
always expect them to Ho I think most are looking at MA like its the new DA dont expect to get a 1v1 every time you up its not going to happen some of ya need to just deal with it. I find it really funny that most whine about no fights but infact are the ones who run home to land 2 kills i find no prob in getting my kills if they be high, low doesnt matter the more cons the more you learn what not to do .Yes at times it can be upsetting but thats when you are taking AH to serious trust me i know :D
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...But by hunting the alt-monkeys at alt... Are you not becoming alt-monkeys yourselves?
I can remember some squaddies that decided to get over top of a bunch of people who were flying around at 25k and waiting to pick the furball below. They came in over 30k and attacked. After they shot some of them down and drove the rest off, the whining began about them being picking alt-monkeys... At what alt do you lose the right to complain about someone being an alt monkey if they're above you? My vote is for around 15k or so. <g>
Wiley.
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I hereby introduce S.P.A.L.T.
Sane Pilots Against Lala Tards :P
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when this problem was first starting a year r two ago, i had some fun spotting the alt monkeys, but staying just out of their icon range. i'd watch em for a few minutes, and see their patterns.
then one time that they came back up to relative safety, they were met with my guns. :devil
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I would fly into a 10v1 any day if I knew they wouldnt run away from me, happened in the DA last night pretty late too, was on the deck, I spoted 3 cons, two temps and an F4U, first temp dove turned once, when I went to turn with him, second temp came screaming in and took my horizontal stab, I then shot at the first temp, missed, he ran, meanwhile temp #2 is in his zoom climb and F4U is diving in, I reverse the F4U take his wing, and after that while the temp was diving on me he just broke off and went home with no kills this has happened to me in the MA before, and I just cant figure out why people are like this???
You make it sound like this is a recent phenomena when this has been happening since online flight sims were created. When I started AW many years ago and it cost me at time $12 an hour to play on Genie, you'd still see eunichs flying high avoiding fights unless they could safely dive in and pick. No matter how PvP centric a game is, there will always be eunichs that play too. Maybe they think by playing a PvP centric game they can somehow find their lost balls but we all know once a eunich snips off the old boys, they're never gonna grow back.
It is frustrating, like the other night I got bounced by this high P-51 but he wasn't good enough and kept on making his dives too fast, after the 4th or so pass, I was able to eat way at his altitude advantage and kind of made things co-alt but he still had an energy advantage and he kept running, I would turn my back and he'd get brave and turn to re-engage but as soon as I would turn around, he'd turn the opposite way and run. Not once did SixO try and fight, he only wanted to engage if there was absolutely no chance of him getting shot down, this kept up for over 30 minutes until I finally ran out of fuel and my engine quit so I augered as SixO kept running. What was really funny though is as I was augering, here comes SixO diving in to try and get the proxy. Got him to admit that he will never engage any fight in a 1v1 situation unless he can engage without any risk of the other guy engaging him, othewise he only targets planes that are already fighting someone else because there is no risk to him. This to me is pathetic but it's how the eunichs play and it's been going on for over 20 years.
ack-ack
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I hereby introduce S.P.A.L.T.
Sane Pilots Against Lala Tards :P
well I counter introduce your introduction with the introduction of LA.M.E
LA .Masters and .Enthusiasts
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You make it sound like this is a recent phenomena when this has been happening since online flight sims were created. When I started AW many years ago and it cost me at time $12 an hour to play on Genie, you'd still see eunichs flying high avoiding fights unless they could safely dive in and pick. No matter how PvP centric a game is, there will always be eunichs that play too. Maybe they think by playing a PvP centric game they can somehow find their lost balls but we all know once a eunich snips off the old boys, they're never gonna grow back.
It is frustrating, like the other night I got bounced by this high P-51 but he wasn't good enough and kept on making his dives too fast, after the 4th or so pass, I was able to eat way at his altitude advantage and kind of made things co-alt but he still had an energy advantage and he kept running, I would turn my back and he'd get brave and turn to re-engage but as soon as I would turn around, he'd turn the opposite way and run. Not once did SixO try and fight, he only wanted to engage if there was absolutely no chance of him getting shot down, this kept up for over 30 minutes until I finally ran out of fuel and my engine quit so I augered as SixO kept running. What was really funny though is as I was augering, here comes SixO diving in to try and get the proxy. Got him to admit that he will never engage any fight in a 1v1 situation unless he can engage without any risk of the other guy engaging him, othewise he only targets planes that are already fighting someone else because there is no risk to him. This to me is pathetic but it's how the eunichs play and it's been going on for over 20 years.
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Yeah I understand that this might not be a new thing, I have only been playing AH for a few months so I am still new compaired to some of the guys on here
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well I counter introduce your introduction with the introduction of LA.M.E
LA .Masters and .Enthusiasts
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huh its going down with the Few, first spitsteens now LAs :rolleyes: ;) :D
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lol I am few in training, they cannot be held responsable for my dweebery :lol
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Just for kicks, I tried that this past tour. Flying into furballs with no regard for getting picked, focusing merely on the plane I'm fighting or shooting at. I have to admit, it was a little fun. Turning off my brain and simply becoming fixated on a target, completely ignorant to my surrounding was much less stressful than having to constantly worry about threats and evaluate my best course of action. I'm coming to realize that what it means to be truly elite and an uber furballer who 'gets it' is to not use your brain when you play the game. I think I am starting to get it.
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Just for kicks, I tried that this past tour. Flying into furballs with no regard for getting picked, focusing merely on the plane I'm fighting or shooting at. I have to admit, it was a little fun. Turning off my brain and simply becoming fixated on a target, completely ignorant to my surrounding was much less stressful than having to constantly worry about threats and evaluate my best course of action. I'm coming to realize that what it means to be truly elite and an uber furballer who 'gets it' is to not use your brain when you play the game. I think I am starting to get it.
Ah so those of us that like to fight aren't using our brain...I get it. So the other night when I was in a 5v1 on the deck and survived with 4 kills, I wasn't using my brain and just mindlessly furballing. I get it. Thank you for telling me this, now I'll fly like SixO and use my brain and become a "smart" pilot like the rest of you.
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Ah so those of us that like to fight aren't using our brain...I get it. So the other night when I was in a 5v1 on the deck and survived with 4 kills, I wasn't using my brain and just mindlessly furballing. I get it. Thank you for telling me this, now I'll fly like SixO and use my brain and become a "smart" pilot like the rest of you.
LOL akak, don't take a general statement so personally. Besides, I see you as more of a smart flying pilot than you might lead me on to believe with that comment, which is why you tend to come into most fights with alt advantage. And don't take that as an insult, coming in with alt advantage, especially when you are outnumbered is smart, clearly. (p.s. That was nice flying on the deck the other day, iirc all three of us were down there, of course you were up **** creek a lil more than me and sunbat. :D)
I like to fight too. Wait, maybe I don't, since the term 'fighting' is so ambiguous. Could someone please define what 'fighting' is?
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Just for kicks, I tried that this past tour. Flying into furballs with no regard for getting picked, focusing merely on the plane I'm fighting or shooting at. I have to admit, it was a little fun. Turning off my brain and simply becoming fixated on a target, completely ignorant to my surrounding was much less stressful than having to constantly worry about threats and evaluate my best course of action. I'm coming to realize that what it means to be truly elite and an uber furballer who 'gets it' is to not use your brain when you play the game. I think I am starting to get it.
Easy there killer. You are assuming we don't worry about our surroundings. How stressful is it to decide who to pick off after take off? Lets see, do I want the slow guy first or the really slow guy first? :lol
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Just for kicks, I tried that this past tour. Flying into furballs with no regard for getting picked, focusing merely on the plane I'm fighting or shooting at. I have to admit, it was a little fun. Turning off my brain and simply becoming fixated on a target, completely ignorant to my surrounding was much less stressful than having to constantly worry about threats and evaluate my best course of action. I'm coming to realize that what it means to be truly elite and an uber furballer who 'gets it' is to not use your brain when you play the game. I think I am starting to get it.
i don';t think i furball that way. i saddle up a con, if i hear somethign behind me or get a check six., i turn off, and go for the next target.......
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How stressful is it to decide who to pick off after take off?
About as stressful as it is to kill anyone 1v1 or 1v2 in the ma. :lol
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You're way off man........... Let me tell you a joke........ An LA7, a G2 & a TBM walk into a furball............... Who gets to order the drink first? errrr...... Who do I worry about the most?
Easy there killer. You are assuming we don't worry about our surroundings. How stressful is it to decide who to pick off after take off? Lets see, do I want the slow guy first or the really slow guy first? :lol
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You're way off man........... Let me tell you a joke........ An LA7, a G2 & a TBM walk into a furball............... Who gets to order the drink first? errrr...... Who do I worry about the most?
the tbm if it's flown by snaphook
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You're way off man........... Let me tell you a joke........ An LA7, a G2 & a TBM walk into a furball............... Who gets to order the drink first? errrr...... Who do I worry about the most?
the 262 coming in late and all stressed out? :rofl or the P38 hovering above? :O
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To counter this, I think we should establish the AAA - Altitude Aristocrats' Association :airplane:
Of course I can't join... currently I'm head of ONOP - Organisation of Nagging Offline Players :frown:
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To counter this, I think we should establish the AAA - Altitude Aristocrats' Association :airplane:
I think that might conflict with Chalenge's after school club, "The 30k Fuel Conservation Club".
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I would turn my back and he'd get brave and turn to re-engage but as soon as I would turn around, he'd turn the opposite way and run. Not once did SixO try and fight, he only wanted to engage if there was absolutely no chance of him getting shot down, this kept up for over 30 minutes until I finally ran out of fuel and my engine quit so I augered as SixO kept running.
I agree AckAck...and what you will hear from these testicularly challenged folks is:
A. "Why would I want to 1 v 1 you when I don't have to"?
B. "This is what the P51, HOGs, LALA's, ad nauseum were designed to do during WW II but you expect me to turn-fight you"
C. "I'm extending..."
D. "I am using my speed"
I say testicularly challenged because they make a choice NOT to fight...even in 1 v 1 situations...there is one squad specifically...they seem to good pileits but if they see anything that turns well...they only engage if there are two or more of them. Is that a WW II tactic? Sure. But so was turn fighting....see Pug Southerland vs Saburo Sakai. In making the choice NOT to fight, they say something about themselves...to run from a fight in the real world is cowardly...but to run from a fight in cartoon land???? That becomes a negative number on the I-AM-YELLOW chart. Just sayin...
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Grizz - A fight includes extending a bit in their a/c and re-engaging sometime in our near future. Jumping on VOX and proudly claiming their WW II historically correct, cerebrally perfect, extend-escape tactic does not. Low on fuel, got it...no ammo, roger...pilot wound, cool...1/2 a wing missing, understood. Small weinered, sackless historically correct runner = tinyjohnson.
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:lol He's the reason why I didn't say SBD.
the tbm if it's flown by snaphook
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SunBat :salute
I stopped going in there regularly about a year ago for that very reason, along with pilots making UNBELIEVEABLE shots (another F3 story). To tell you the truth, what made me move on was one night on one of the small fields with: SunBat, MugZ, Grizz, Squat2, JunkyII, MtnMan, Kappa, Suns, Ardy123, ElBurro, Agent360, Hlbly, Flench, and Dodger. I still have the video of it...first red guy you see is called out on open VOX and you get it on. I had been a DA lake guy for the first year I played the game...every single night. Why is this important? In my 45 year old, new-to-online-gaming opinion, they embody the character of how the game should be played. They had fun flying and dying...no egos seemed to be present, lots of questions (mostly me....SunBat, how are you able to be in a dive while climbing?) a ton of laughing and they all talked about having fun with the free planes and learning to fight low and slow and personal without it being personal; all of them would answer any question you had. No ankle humping here....I got smoked early and often but it was fun because of listening to them have a great time with NO VOX200 johnson-measuring...the guys that are good don't have to talk about it.
Point? The only way anyone gets better is die a lot....you can't die a lot if you are hanging out at 25K AGL waiting on some noob to climb his way up to you or running to your gaggle of green fellas. I love the 51 argument heard on VOX every night..."Im not gonna turn with a Spit, that is why I'm running"....I can think of a number of P51 drivers and other alt-friendly planes that turn with Spits everytime I see them...and I die every time...I guess at some point they made the decision to "fight" (and learn that plane). Even in a game, people want "safe" instead of risk...that won't change until there is more value placed on skill than pride...I was lucky...I was accidently taught by those guys that skill matters and there isn't much skill needed to fight with a group of friendlies (Yes I do it too because going to find a fight generally means others are already there but I don't mind diving into a horde just to see how many I can kill before I see blood on the canopy or my lights go out) but running when you see a blob of red? Does anyone really think that when its 9 v 1 that the one guy has no skill? He has no OPTIONS and there's a difference...and that is when you learn IMHO. I hate it too but really the only thing that pisses me off about that is that I have to fly all the way back to the fight after I die...and that takes too much time! lol
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:salute Changeup. Well said. There's a lot of truth in there.
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I think I am starting to get it.
I definitely am. Here's proof. :D
(http://dasmuppets.com/public/Sunbatt/Friends1.bmp)
EDIT: Seriously though, IMO and to put in an oversimple manner, I think this "mindlessly" thing that we caricaturize is simple making the distinction between whether you try to stay alive or you just don't really give a damn and you fly into the mess and choose a guy to kill and work on him until you get picked. You can enter the fight at the exact same altitude and one way you work with the entire situation and the other you just consider the smaller picture. It depends on my mood as to which way I choose on any given day.
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I fly at a high alt at first. To me coming in with an alt advantage and squandering it on the first low con you see is not intelligent. So I come in high make a few passes and evaluate the situation. Then I begin to catalogue the planes from, most of a threat, to least of a threat. That takes into account the planes relative altitude. From that I make a decision on which one to attack first. You attack that one until it is defeated maintaining you advantage at all times. Then you repeat the first step.
Too me this is the most effective way of controlling a base when you are alone. Now if you have friendlies about you can take more risks counting on if you get into to much trouble you will receive assistance. The point of that is not to avoid combat but become more effective while taking on the least amount of risk. This is the way I like to fly but is not the only way I fly. I think you need to be a balanced cartoon pilot to get the most out of the game. Use your head but do not be afraid to risk it.
Point is there is more to flying at alt than one would assume.
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Yeah, it's funny to me to look at the radar in the DA when there are a bunch of people in the arena and see blobs of red off of each base and a reluctance to move to the middle. When you fly over to that blob you will find that many of the cons are between 15 and 20k. The blob waits for one con to venture in then they dive on him like a flock of gulls after a french fry and compete with each other to see who can get the kill before the other one. Once they have a massed an amazing 2 kills in their tempest, they run back and land and show how awesome they are for being the fastest gull to the fry.
QFT - No. quoted for extreme truth.
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I would like someone to throw alka seltzer up to the gulls....do we have that?
PS - Corky said there was a place we can go to make friends? Where is this heaven-on-earth? :rofl
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Grizz - A fight includes extending a bit in their a/c and re-engaging sometime in our near future. Jumping on VOX and proudly claiming their WW II historically correct, cerebrally perfect, extend-escape tactic does not. Low on fuel, got it...no ammo, roger...pilot wound, cool...1/2 a wing missing, understood. Small weinered, sackless historically correct runner = tinyjohnson.
Well, by your definition I embody all the traits of a fighter. By some other's definition, I am a sackless timid picking dweeb. Of course those who call me that won't fight me 1v1, but that's another story. :rofl
Is it wrong that I try to fight all of my fights with advantage? If I see a high P51d that is b&zing me, I have the advantage. If I see any coalt airplane, I have the advantage. If I see 2 coalt airplanes I have the advantage. If I am fighting 5 cons but I have alt on them, I have the advantage. If a con is on my tail, I have the advantage. Take a situation though like me engaging 4 at once coalt, I don't have the advantage, and I will not engage. Three is iffy, kind of depends what planes. So you see, I tend to always fly with advantage. Any vet who looks for 1v1s in the MA under the notion they are looking for fair fights is fooling themselves. There is nothing fair at all about killing seagulls one versus one.
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Well, by your definition I embody all the traits of a fighter. By some other's definition, I am a sackless timid picking dweeb. Of course those who call me that won't fight me 1v1, but that's another story. :rofl
Is it wrong that I try to fight all of my fights with advantage? If I see a high P51d that is b&zing me, I have the advantage. If I see any coalt airplane, I have the advantage. If I see 2 coalt airplanes I have the advantage. If I am fighting 5 cons but I have alt on them, I have the advantage. If a con is on my tail, I have the advantage. Take a situation though like me engaging 4 at once coalt, I don't have the advantage, and I will not engage. Three is iffy, kind of depends what planes. So you see, I tend to always fly with advantage. Any vet who looks for 1v1s in the MA under the notion they are looking for fair fights is fooling themselves. There is nothing fair at all about killing seagulls one versus one.
By my definition you are a fighter...yes. In all of the cases you list, do you actually fight yes, with the exception of 1. The ones that I speak of are looking specifically for a many-on-one situation...if you find yourself in that particular group....hmmm....but I don't think you are.
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By my definition you are a fighter...yes. In all of the cases you list, do you actually fight yes, with the exception of 1. The ones that I speak of are looking specifically for a many-on-one situation...if you find yourself in that particular group....hmmm....but I don't think you are.
Too me I don't see how being above 5 planes and being Co-alt with 5 planes is any different. Other than of course having less chance of making it out if you are co-alt.
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By my definition you are a fighter...yes. In all of the cases you list, do you actually fight yes, with the exception of 1. The ones that I speak of are looking specifically for a many-on-one situation...if you find yourself in that particular group....hmmm....but I don't think you are.
I fight outnumbered all of the time, just in a more effective way than turning in circles. If I am on the deck with 5, it was a mistake due to over aggressiveness and greed.
MA 1v1. Vet vs Avg MA player:
(http://www.cascadiaresearch.org/robin/transientandporpoise.jpg)
:D
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Besides, that was a trick question....you never go anywhere alone and THAT is smart....and I resemble that picture. :rofl
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