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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Rattler on November 23, 2010, 09:47:31 AM
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Just heard on the radio about some artillery attacks what the HECK is goin' on over there??? I know there was a sort of cease fire since the 50's but is the S&^$it hitting the fan again?
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North is apparently bored.
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The South were conducting military manouvers near the border. During them some shells were fired into the ocean into disputed waters. The north told them to stop and they didn't....so the North fired a bunch of barrages at a South Korean island killing a few SK Marines and some civilians.
Scary stuff...
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Whelp, time to reinstall Falcon 4:Allied force I think
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The North is trying to show strength during the transition of power from one Dictator to his son, an heir apparent (Kim Jong Il).
They have often traded shots with the South over these same military exercises in the past.
It's the most provocative and heaviest attack by far, since the ceasefire was signed.
It could get a lot worse, let's hope something can be worked out, or hello WW3
<S> Oz
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oh man...Ya think china will back up the north? hell of a fight if it comes to war...lets hope it doesn't.
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Typical NK crap.
oh man...Ya think china will back up the north? hell of a fight if it comes to war...lets hope it doesn't.
I do not think China will back them up. They are getting rich from us sending factories over there and seeing there is no money making from going to war.
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You mean: still!
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North Korea is just mad about new Radar settings :bolt:
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oh man...Ya think china will back up the north? hell of a fight if it comes to war...lets hope it doesn't.
For the sake of america lets hop not.They will destroy us
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For the sake of America lets hope not.They will destroy us
+1
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I don't think China would back NK right now. And I think Kim Jong II knows that.
He's just tootin his horn like an idiot. He knows if he hit Seoul he'd be destroyed. But he'll eventually have nukes, and he is a complete nutcase, so...
Anyone see footage of those shells coming down? Civilians running for their lives. :mad:
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For the sake of america lets hop not.They will destroy us
Huh? :headscratch:
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South America has always been a hot bed of revolution :old:
Whats does Chile say about Korea?
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Oh man, I did some training with some RoK Marines a little while back, I'm sure they're none too happy right now.
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The North is trying to show strength during the transition of power from one Dictator to his son, an heir apparent (Kim Jong Il).
They have often traded shots with the South over these same military exercises in the past.
It's the most provocative and heaviest attack by far, since the ceasefire was signed.
It could get a lot worse, let's hope something can be worked out, or hello WW3
<S> Oz
it wont be WWIII. China has already told North Korea that it will not get involved in any of its military affairs anymore. and China's economy is dependant on the US now so i doubt they will fight us if we had to back South Korea up in armed conflict...
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For the sake of america lets hop not.They will destroy us
Just because they have enough soldiers to form a human bridge across the entire Pacific AND invade the continental US, doesn't mean they will.
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For the sake of america lets hop not.They will destroy us
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If we went to War with N Korea and China entered in like they did last time....many Americans will be pissed off and our numbers would rise greatly.
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For the sake of america lets hop not.They will destroy us
whats wrong? you dont take a shining to being destroyed? I got news for ya pard, being destroyed is a risk this country has been taking since the 1960s. the fact that we would retaliate and destroy any nation that attempted to destroy us is whats kept the planet alive ever since.
China would be devastated beyond measure if a few thousand US nuclear missile strikes landed there. I personaly would recommend taking out their 13 largest hydo electric dams. That act alone would send them back to the 18th century, which in China at that time was equivalent to within a few hundred years B.C.
Lighten up Francis :lol
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China has expressed multiple times they will not back up NK. In fact the Chinese don't like the North Koreans at all they sneak across the borders into china just the Mexicans do here. Except it is funnier when they get deported back to North Korea because they get executed. And you can bet that North Korea will get away with this.
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In 2005 the U.S. revised its declared nuclear political strategy, the Doctrine for Joint Nuclear Operations, to emphasize the possibility of the use of nuclear weapons preemptively against an adversary possessing weapons of mass destruction or overwhelming conventional forces. Whether the Single Integrated Operational Plan ("SIOP") has been revised accordingly is uncertain, but possible. This could include a preemptive strike against China if it appeared they were readying their nuclear forces for attack.
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For the sake of america lets hop not.They will destroy us
Calling for anything less than a millitary (air) strike in retaliation for this agression against our ally does not get it.
We can't allow the lives of our allies anywhere to be taken by hostile action from an agressor nation.
We've made treaties with them, treaties that lay out our obligations to them and theirs to us. Just as we are bound to defend a NATO ally we are bound to defend them.
South Korea is our faithful ally. They sent the 2ndlargest contingent of troops to Vietnam to help us (a few divisions). South Korea was our ally in their own war. South Korea has been a shining example of the failure of the system in North Korea and it part of the reason that China is now a capitalist success story :aok NK can't stand it.
If we let this aggression pass with some soft words we will only look weak in the eyes of such aggressive nations (enemy and ally) and loose the influence we need to make peace in other places.
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it was already let past. NK sank a SK warship with far greater loss of life. Only difference is this time there's footage of a few shells landing on SK territory.
The only thing that will ever bring down NK is to simply seize all its merchant ships when outside their territorial waters..that will instantly collapse the only economy they have to sustain their military. This of course is added to the complete stop of all foreign aid, assets on foreign banks, etc.
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whats wrong? you dont take a shining to being destroyed? I got news for ya pard, being destroyed is a risk this country has been taking since the 1960s. the fact that we would retaliate and destroy any nation that attempted to destroy us is whats kept the planet alive ever since.
China would be devastated beyond measure if a few thousand US nuclear missile strikes landed there. I personaly would recommend taking out their 13 largest hydo electric dams. That act alone would send them back to the 18th century, which in China at that time was equivalent to within a few hundred years B.C.
Lighten up Francis :lol
You'd only need to take out one of their hydroelectric dams, the Three Gorges Dam.
ack-ack
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1. Do you think north korea would utilize nuclear weapons, or are they more likely to just use them as a leverage tool?
2. Would another nuclear power retaliate with their own nuclear attack?
3. American troops being deployed to south korea?
4. if so, impact on war in middle east?
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Southern Asian Treaty organization would back S. Korea for firsts. second, Obama is pulling out of Afghanistan in 2011. third, china doesnt want war due to the fact that the world would stop them. fourth, Kim jong Il is crazy so he probably would use nukes... fifth. we'd back up S. Korea no matter what due to the fact that we have a treaty saying we would.
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This was posted on facebook by a friend based in Korea.....
"ok well im fine everyone, we havent gone to war. we are just on standby, thanks everyone for the support"
-BigBOBCH
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We can't allow the lives of our allies anywhere to be taken by hostile action from an agressor nation.
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If we let this aggression pass with some soft words we will only look weak in the eyes of such aggressive nations (enemy and ally) and loose the influence we need to make peace in other places.
Well as it stands it appears SK was conducting a military exercise in this area and firing into NK territory (albeit water). So who is the aggressor? And do your comments still stand given that they would support that NK should have retaliated as it did?
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The South were conducting military manouvers near the border. During them some shells were fired into the ocean into disputed waters. The north told them to stop and they didn't....so the North fired a bunch of barrages at a South Korean island killing a few SK Marines and some civilians.
Scary stuff...
Actually they did not say to stop. The South had informed the north that they would be holding live fire exercises in that area. Nothing was said by the north. During the execises the north lobbed around 100 shells into military and civilian areas. The north claimed they were reacting to military agression.
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Actually they did not say to stop. The South had informed the north that they would be holding live fire exercises in that area. Nothing was said by the north. During the execises the north lobbed around 100 shells into military and civilian areas. The north claimed they were reacting to military agression.
If someone like Russia or Iran started live firing exercises within US waters do you guys think you'd just sit there with your fingers up your backside?
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If someone like Russia or Iran started live firing exercises within US waters do you guys think you'd just sit there with your fingers up your backside?
We'd ask them nicely, to stop. If they didn't we'd explain how disappointed we were. :D
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Well as it stands it appears SK was conducting a military exercise in this area and firing into NK territory (albeit water). So who is the aggressor? And do your comments still stand given that they would support that NK should have retaliated as it did?
Those waters are disputed territory. You do appear to favor the North Korean claim on those waters.
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Well as it stands it appears SK was conducting a military exercise in this area and firing into NK territory (albeit water). So who is the aggressor? And do your comments still stand given that they would support that NK should have retaliated as it did?
Only NK claims those waters as being within their country's borders, it's not an internationally recognized claim. To answer your question, the aggressor is the one that sank a RoK naval vessel and shelled Yeonpyeong Island.
ack-ack
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If someone like Russia or Iran started live firing exercises within US waters do you guys think you'd just sit there with your fingers up your backside?
What does this have to do with the price of apples.
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Those waters are disputed territory. You do appear to favor the North Korean claim on those waters.
If I understand correctly the waters that are currently occupied by the south are disputed. The south alledgedly was lobbing shells into the waters north of the disputed territory (ie into undisputed waters).
I'm not favouring any claims, just putting out the facts to the angry mob ;)
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What does this have to do with the price of apples.
Dunno but I've reported you to the Stasi I mean TSA.... they'll be over to check your apples shortly.
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I could use a change of scenery, this desert gig is getting mighty old.
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If I understand correctly the waters that are currently occupied by the south are disputed. The south alledgedly was lobbing shells into the waters north of the disputed territory (ie into undisputed waters).
I'm not favouring any claims, just putting out the facts to the angry mob ;)
Yep. Fact also is SK shells landed in disputed water, NK shells on civilian buildings inside SK territory (not disputed). Kind of a big difference there.
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If we went to War with N Korea and China entered in like they did last time....many Americans will be pissed off and our numbers would rise greatly.
'God, I'm so ticked off at the Chinese... let's bang!'
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'God, I'm so ticked off at the Chinese... let's bang!'
:rofl
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Have a friend who is a F/A-18 pilot that is station in South Korea. Trying to get a hold of him on what is going on.
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If I understand correctly the waters that are currently occupied by the south are disputed. The south alledgedly was lobbing shells into the waters north of the disputed territory (ie into undisputed waters).
I'm not favouring any claims, just putting out the facts to the angry mob ;)
I dont know about that. First off: Possesion of any disputed territory is 9/10ths ownership.
Also, Facts are the leading cause of deception in most cases.
If the North wants to take the South to war over this dispute I do not see what choice the South has other than full out war or capitulation.
A single tactical nuclear weapon detonated in Pyongyang should end it decisively, before millions die all across the peninsula in a drawn out war.
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A single tactical nuclear weapon detonated in Pyongyang should end it decisively, before millions die all across the peninsula in a drawn out war.
I don't think we'll nuke Pyongyang and RoK doesn't have nukes. I also don't think we'll see any further actions from NK or RoK out of fear this will spiral out of control.
ack-ack
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Well as it stands it appears SK was conducting a military exercise in this area and firing into NK territory (albeit water). So who is the aggressor? And do your comments still stand given that they would support that NK should have retaliated as it did?
Aren't you a cute little guppie. Who says the waters SK was firing into is NK territory and not international or disputed territory in the region? Probabley only NK... *hint* *hint*
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Southern Asian Treaty organization would back S. Korea for firsts. second, Obama is pulling out of Afghanistan in 2011. third, china doesnt want war due to the fact that the world would stop them. fourth, Kim jong Il is crazy so he probably would use nukes... fifth. we'd back up S. Korea no matter what due to the fact that we have a treaty saying we would.
Really? Im in the Military and the order Im getting is that Ill be deploying in early 2011.....
Side note to the conversation- ROK has military units helping us now in our current operations. They also have a million men+ military like the DPRK, and they use US built F-15s for Air power. My money is on the ROK stomping DPRK alone with US units in a support role(Bombers, Navy, Tanks) if anything big did happen.
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If someone like Russia or Iran started live firing exercises within US waters do you guys think you'd just sit there with your fingers up your backside?
First off, read up on the Cuban Missile Crisis and see how that went down and how close we got to war with them just having the equipment withing range of our backside, then you can come sit at the big boys table and join us in a conversation after you're done trying to change the subject and defend a vile regime because your ego got called out before you cross-referenced your facts.
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If I understand correctly the waters that are currently occupied by the south are disputed. The south alledgedly was lobbing shells into the waters north of the disputed territory (ie into undisputed waters).
I'm not favouring any claims, just putting out the facts to the angry mob ;)
Clearly, since you're defending the claims of a nutzo dictator against the treaties and international agreements recognized by every other civilized nation involved in the region or not.
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Really? Im in the Military and the order Im getting is that Ill be deploying in early 2011.....
Side note to the conversation- ROK has military units helping us now in our current operations. They also have a million men+ military like the DPRK, and they use US built F-15s for Air power. My money is on the ROK stomping DPRK alone with US units in a support role(Bombers, Navy, Tanks) if anything big did happen.
i had heard that Obama will be forced to pull out by then due to funding cuts the congress wants to pull off
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Yep. Fact also is SK shells landed in disputed water, NK shells on civilian buildings inside SK territory (not disputed). Kind of a big difference there.
No, SK shells landed in NK non-disputed waters. NK shells landed on civilians in disputed island territory (not saying thats ok by the way).
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I dont know about that. First off: Possesion of any disputed territory is 9/10ths ownership.
Also, Facts are the leading cause of deception in most cases.
If the North wants to take the South to war over this dispute I do not see what choice the South has other than full out war or capitulation.
A single tactical nuclear weapon detonated in Pyongyang should end it decisively, before millions die all across the peninsula in a drawn out war.
I doubt the North has enough live/working ammo to last more than 5 mins tbh - you wouldn't need a nuke. I think they sell anything working kit off to iran/some-3rd-world-country-in-africa - rest is for show.
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First off, read up on the Cuban Missile Crisis and see how that went down and how close we got to war with them just having the equipment withing range of our backside, then you can come sit at the big boys table and join us in a conversation after you're done trying to change the subject and defend a vile regime because your ego got called out before you cross-referenced your facts.
What are you on about exactly? My ego? Cross referencing facts?
I'm not defending some nutzu dictator, I'm correcting ASSumptions made by people like you. You need to lay off the drugs or attend reading comprehension courses.
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For the sake of america lets hop not.They will destroy us
How? Financially?
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No, SK shells landed in NK non-disputed waters. NK shells landed on civilians in disputed island territory (not saying thats ok by the way).
where are you getting this info? I cant find anything that says the impact area was within non disputed NK waters.
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where are you getting this info? I cant find anything that says the impact area was within non disputed NK waters.
How can you have not seen the NK statement? It' going to become an internet meme:
"The South Korean enemy, despite our repeated warnings, committed reckless military provocations of firing artillery shells into our maritime territory near Yeonpyeong island beginning 1300 (0400 GMT)," the state-run KCNA news agency quoted it as saying.
The North would "continue to make merciless military attacks with no hesitation if the South Korean enemy dares to invade our sea territory by 0.001mm", it warned.
South admit live firing in the area, but say it was directed 'away' - so it's a case of he said/she said - with a stupid response from NK.
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Well technically the war never really ended....
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I am all for sticking up for South Korea. I'd hate to see us go into another war, but we must do what is necessary to protect our country and allies. I do feel that "swift action" must be made to deal with North Korea. Whatever that "swift action" is, I don't know. It just depends on the circumstances.
That is all I will say. Don't want to get the thread locked with possible talks of politics and what not...
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How can you have not seen the NK statement? It' going to become an internet meme:
"Bob, how do you know that's jimmy's half of the land the oil is coming from and not adam's?"
"Because Jimmy said so!"
Riiiiiiiggggggggggghhhhhhhhht tttttttttt :huh
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Today SK is the seventh largest trading partner with the US and we really do not want that to come to a halt. Dont buy into this hogwash about China owning parts of the US or us owing a great debt to them. The US debt is still a very small part of our economy and except for political expediancy it holds absolutely no weight upon our actions around the globe. Even an upstart President that wants to hand victory to our enemies cant pull it off without Congress backing him and that isnt going to happen. Korea needs to be dealt with and should have been dealt with LONG before they got nukes. Well guess they have nukes now huh? Better finish the war before they get a viable delivery system.
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Dont buy into this hogwash about China owning parts of the US or us owing a great debt to them.
for emphasis
(http://www.optimist123.com/.a/6a00d83451c0c869e201156fe7f69a970b-800wi)
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whats wrong? you dont take a shining to being destroyed? I got news for ya pard, being destroyed is a risk this country has been taking since the 1960s. the fact that we would retaliate and destroy any nation that attempted to destroy us is whats kept the planet alive ever since.
China would be devastated beyond measure if a few thousand US nuclear missile strikes landed there. I personaly would recommend taking out their 13 largest hydo electric dams. That act alone would send them back to the 18th century, which in China at that time was equivalent to within a few hundred years B.C.
Lighten up Francis :lol
Dude... take your own advice.
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China's economy is dependant on America's. they would never ruin that...
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For the sake of america lets hop not.They will destroy us
That's funny, they couldn't step within 2,000 miles of the coast even if they tried. Because of Americans, who by the way aren't going to give up a cm of land.
One, because most americans are pretty robust.
Two, many carry guns, lets not mention 98% have some sort of weapon.
Three, you try getting through New York with angry Americans shooting, ambushing, and anything else you can think of, at you.
That's not happening, tank or no tank.
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Everything I can find mentions that the RoK military was live firing into undisputed waters to the West of the island. You know away from NK. Which the crazy little man with the bad hair cut responded in kind. They fired their artillery at military and civilians.
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Really? Im in the Military and the order Im getting is that Ill be deploying in early 2011.....
Side note to the conversation- ROK has military units helping us now in our current operations. They also have a million men+ military like the DPRK, and they use US built F-15s for Air power. My money is on the ROK stomping DPRK alone with US units in a support role(Bombers, Navy, Tanks) if anything big did happen.
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Im deploying in early 2011 too
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That's funny, they couldn't step within 2,000 miles of the coast even if they tried. Because of Americans, who by the way aren't going to give up a cm of land.
One, because most americans are pretty robust.
Two, many carry guns, lets not mention 98% have some sort of weapon.
Three, you try getting through New York with angry Americans shooting, ambushing, and anything else you can think of, at you.
That's not happening, tank or no tank.
Lets not forget that this country is to big. It would be like Germany or France invading Russia, a complete failure.
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That's funny, they couldn't step within 2,000 miles of the coast even if they tried. Because of Americans, who by the way aren't going to give up a cm of land.
One, because most americans are pretty robust.
Two, many carry guns, lets not mention 98% have some sort of weapon.
Three, you try getting through New York with angry Americans shooting, ambushing, and anything else you can think of, at you.
That's not happening, tank or no tank.
Besides those points, we have natural defenses, 3 mountain ranges, crazy rednecks, and if they try to take the midwest, TORNADOES. I'm pretty sure nowhere else in the world gets as many tornadoes than the united states. I honestly would love to see the reaction of some foreign soldier seeing a twister, not knowing what it is :rofl
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Southern Asian Treaty organization would back S. Korea for firsts. second, Obama is pulling out of Afghanistan in 2011. third, china doesnt want war due to the fact that the world would stop them. fourth, Kim jong Il is crazy so he probably would use nukes... fifth. we'd back up S. Korea no matter what due to the fact that we have a treaty saying we would.
America exports vast amounts of food to China, so they are not going to do anything.
If they do start fighting each other i suppose Arms companies will be waiting for new business:old:
Bit of advice "Debt is a good thing to get a man out of bed in the morning"
"Don't goto a country people are trying to get out off"
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Besides those points, we have natural defenses, 3 mountain ranges, crazy rednecks, and if they try to take the midwest, TORNADOES. I'm pretty sure nowhere else in the world gets as many tornadoes than the united states. I honestly would love to see the reaction of some foreign soldier seeing a twister, not knowing what it is :rofl
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol.
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Twister is a game played at parties :old:
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Personally I think they should just sort it out. Get a force combining the SK military and the USMC and Airborne with the airforce, and put a boot up Kim Jongs rear.
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Twister is a game played at parties :old:
Au naturel phenomenon.
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Also, with regards to our debt to China: If you owe the bank $100,000 the bank OWNS you. If you owe the bank $10,000,000,000 you OWN the bank.
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Fascinating discussion.
FWIW, my opinion:
1) China will overtly stay out while quietly playing up to both ROK and PDRK.
2) PDRK will sabre-rattle a little more, then settle down. They're not stupid and learned the rules of provocation/appeasement from watching Saddam.
3) ROK will posture militarily but will do nothing substantive.
4) UN will issue a near-unamimous security council resolution saying in essense: PDRK, please stop this. Pretty please.
5) USA will move a carrier group or two into the area on exercises.
6) USA will diplomatically posture through intermediaries but deliver a forceful warning of "grave consequences" to PDRK.
7) USA will provide PDRK with a few million in humanitarian aid.
8) USA will provide ROK with a few million in matching economic aid.
9) Kim Jong II is sick or dying and will accelerate the transition to Kim Jong-un. This heightened exchange is all about PRDK demonstrating there is no internal transition power struggle and Kim Jong-un is just as "capable" as his father.
10) Japan will spin out but do nothing.
11) Ultimately, an international coalition will pay millions (in gross excess of worth) to PDRK to dismantle their uranium enrichment facility but only after proposals to dial it back to power-generation grade uranium have gone on for years. In the interim, PDRK makes enough weapons-grade uranium for a handful of nukes which they will not acknowledge for a few more years.
Net result:
1) China's influence grows stronger with PDRK and ROK.
2) PDRK obtains millions in cash and ends up with a few nukes, prolonging their ultimate economic demise.
3) ROK increases trading with China.
4) China's economic legion marches on. Hint: keep an eye on Taiwan/Formosa in about 5 years.
5) USA whizzes away cash with nothing to show for it. But we feel better.
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Besides those points, we have natural defenses, 3 mountain ranges, crazy rednecks, and if they try to take the midwest, TORNADOES. I'm pretty sure nowhere else in the world gets as many tornadoes than the united states. I honestly would love to see the reaction of some foreign soldier seeing a twister, not knowing what it is :rofl
:rofl
Let me add a few, street gangs, drug lords in Mexico, Hurricanes and hillbillies.
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i had heard that Obama will be forced to pull out by then due to funding cuts the congress wants to pull off
bit more complicated then that.
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bit more complicated then that.
then do you know whats up?
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For the sake of america lets hop not.They will destroy us
I'd say North Korea would cease to exist as a country.
<S> Oz
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Besides those points, we have natural defenses, 3 mountain ranges, crazy rednecks, and if they try to take the midwest, TORNADOES. I'm pretty sure nowhere else in the world gets as many tornadoes than the united states. I honestly would love to see the reaction of some foreign soldier seeing a twister, not knowing what it is :rofl
We also have the Gay Bomb :rofl :rofl
<S> Oz
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No, SK shells landed in NK non-disputed waters. NK shells landed on civilians in disputed island territory (not saying thats ok by the way).
It's only disputed by NK though... that's like me saying I own your house. As I have declared that I own your house, I have the right to the property in it, including destroying it with an artillery barage if I feel like. Now, irregardless of the money you've paid and the legaly recognized (by over 90% of the legitimate financial institutions in the world) paperwork recognizing you as the owner of your house, you're saying that I have a legitimate claim here just because I said so, and because of that I have the right to do what I want to your house and possesions as I please, ignoring your rights and the laws recognized by you and over 90% of the world?
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then do you know whats up?
It's a real mixed bag of domestic and foreign pressures. Unpopularity in the public, budget cuts from the senate, pressure from our coalition partners/NATO/UN, strong desires of the Afghanis/Iraqis for more authority/control/influence of their own afairs, troop fatigue, etc.. Throw in the undoubted pressures for the missions to also succeed as we pull-out and you get the job of producing answers that don't make anyone content.
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I'd say North Korea would cease to exist as a country.
<S> Oz
already got the USS washington near with aircraft waiting to launch :D
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"U.S. warship puts China in awkward spot"
Somewhere deep in the defense heirarchy,
an analyst of some sort pencils in a checkbox.
'Design goal met' he says, smiling.
.. as he pores through other documents.
-GE
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Yes, USS George Washington is there with its force of impact that overcomes anything fired during WW2..
(http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x320/FearFactor_photos/hangarskip-1.jpg)
With a total of about 70 airplanes onboard, about 24 Sea Sparrow missiles, unknown number of RIM 116 missiles, some very sofisticated defense systems towards enemy torpedos and rockets. And there might be reason to believe it has nuclear weapons onboard also.
Together with this 100.000ton giant ship of the Nimitz class there is a strike group of other ships, submarines and helicopters, all prepared and ready for the worst..
(http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x320/FearFactor_photos/1290681567387_317.jpg)
This could get messy... :noid
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President Barack Obama has clearly stated these last couple of days that the United States of America stands "shoulder to shoulder" with south Korea..
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Kim Jong Il just wants some attention because he is ronery, so very very ronery
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It's only disputed by NK though... that's like me saying I own your house. As I have declared that I own your house, I have the right to the property in it, including destroying it with an artillery barage if I feel like. Now, irregardless of the money you've paid and the legaly recognized (by over 90% of the legitimate financial institutions in the world) paperwork recognizing you as the owner of your house, you're saying that I have a legitimate claim here just because I said so, and because of that I have the right to do what I want to your house and possesions as I please, ignoring your rights and the laws recognized by you and over 90% of the world?
LOL sometimes your posts just make me smile :)
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:rofl
Let me add a few, street gangs, drug lords in Mexico, Hurricanes and hillbillies.
Italian Mafia, illegal immigrants, we could go on for days... They wouldn't risk it.
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Send in grizz and his 262, will be over by christmas
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Send in grizz and his 262, will be over by christmas
I wasn't aware NK used Jeeps :D
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Hope this is just saber rattling by N Korea. As Korean war vets have said, its a nasty place to fight.
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This sounds awfully like the Balkans of World War I, and man, could it end badly. Look, we've got our two little hotbed countries (North and South Korea), with big allies. As time wears on, tensions rise, and if a Kim-Jong gets assasinated, it'll all blow up. I don't like the looks of this one bit.
-Penguin
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Any invasion to the continental US would be thwarted by the beautiful, buxom, Amazonian coastal women we gots. They wouldn't get a mile inland (save for the karaoke bars) before they imploded.
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Any invasion to the continental US would be thwarted by the beautiful, buxom, Amazonian coastal women we gots. They wouldn't get a mile inland (save for the karaoke bars) before they imploded.
oh, if it were only that simple...
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Hope this is just saber rattling by N Korea. As Korean war vets have said, its a nasty place to fight.
Never get involved in a land war in Asia. Like all good advice, difficult to follow.
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The Chinese are pressing hard for talks, and the U.N. is pulling out the checkbook.
The U.S. and S.Korea are engaged in a 4 day joint naval exercise. Provided nothing happens in these 4 days, I think this may blow over. I hope so anyway.
<S> Melvin
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Italian Mafia, illegal immigrants, we could go on for days... They wouldn't risk it.
Texans. hunters...
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See Rule #14
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See Rule #14
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With all that has happened in the Middle East? I get the feeling that, should the Korea's start fighting again, the people will say, "Don't get involved...", "Get our troops out of there...". Believe me, I hope I'm wrong. I sure hope that the reaction will be, "Get in there and kick some arse! Help South Korea!".
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Never get involved in a land war in Asia.
but only slightly less well-known is this: "Never go against a Sicilian when death is on the line"
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Hope this is just saber rattling by N Korea. As Korean war vets have said, its a nasty place to fight.
+1 on that. Personally know two that said it was hell. One Marine who BBQ them and a U.S.A.F fighter pilot who shot down four of them. It will be interesting to see what kind of "puppet master" role China play.
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One thing I'm curious about is the economic competition aspect between SK and China - ie would China benefit from an economic disruption to SK (SK manufacturing vs chinese).
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Regarding where our nukes are pointed: from what I understand, they are now pointed at the ocean as a safeguard against accidents. Keeping them locked on specific targets ended with the cold war, and despite NK's issues, things still aren't as stressed between the big 3 as they were in the 70's.
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In a conventional war, China has the upper hand in therms of numbers. While the US could invoke a draft, and China will invoke a draft, the US citizen would pitch a fit while the Chinese Citizen will join (willing or not). Their army doubles or triples practically overnight. China will not easily get within invasion range of the US though. There are several bases between us and them, not to mention that we have more than a few submarines and aircraft carriers as well as a decent amount of air power. For China to come within invasion range, they will have badly cripple or destroy the Navy and Air Force and take control of the Pacific. That's a lot of water to cover you know. :D
Well, the chinese did park their submarine in the middle of US carrier convoy and bullied them by surfacing there...
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Well, the chinese did park their submarine in the middle of US carrier convoy and bullied them by surfacing there...
I wonder if that was intentional or if there is a black story none of us know about. In any event they revealed a capability that in my estimation was a God send to the US military. This country needs capable enemies if we are to remain vigilant.
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Well, the chinese did park their submarine in the middle of US carrier convoy and bullied them by surfacing there...
Anchor away...
Strip
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Anchor away...
Strip
:rofl