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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: JOACH1M on December 18, 2010, 03:48:15 PM
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http://www.mediafire.com/?as2nuzfx40mmi2q
I whipped this up in the DA :neener: :joystick:
Watch till the very end :rofl
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Download is fubar
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It downloaded fine for me..
That was an awesome shot!!! bet the spitty was pissed lol
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It downloaded fine for me..
That was an awesome shot!!! bet the spitty was pissed lol
:rofl u was flipping out when I FINALLY PULLED IT OFF, after 5 months of trying to get that shot
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Ive gotten so lazy that unless its on youtube i dont download.
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http://www.mediafire.com/?as2nuzfx40mmi2q
I whipped this up in the DA :neener: :joystick:
Watch till the very end :rofl
am i in it at all? i admit i use f3 mode on some planes that i have trouble aiming with due to cocpit design (like the p47D-11) :noid
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http://www.mediafire.com/?as2nuzfx40mmi2q
I whipped this up in the DA :neener: :joystick:
Watch till the very end :rofl
So you got the Chog & Spit & slightly hit the P38 & totally missed the Niki from what I could see. The last two planes looked to be the easiest shots of the four using F3 mode & you could not shoot them down? Since 99.9% of all complaints come from the DA lake about F3 mode gunning. I would say just disable this mode on the DA lake & give this minority crowd what they want.
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Shooting in f3 mode is just a crutch. I wish it was removed from the DA.
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Shooting in f3 mode is just a crutch. I wish it was removed from the DA.
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I made it for hitech, he says he wanted to see how f3 mode gave u a better shooting advantage
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HTC should disable all firing of guns and bomb releasing in the F3 mode in both game and DA.
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HTC should disable all firing of guns and bomb releasing in the F3 mode in both game and DA.
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HTC should disable all firing of guns and bomb releasing in the F3 mode in both game and DA.
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Looks like another reason for me not to bother with the DA
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Shooting in f3 mode is just a crutch. I wish it was removed from the DA.
:aok
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Of course F-3 gives a shooting advantage, how could it not. In the MA you know if you are below your opponents line of sight. He will have no gun solution on you and you can slip his shot. However in the DA the guy using F-3 mode can make fantastic shots from out side his plane. Aiming has nothing to do with it. You simply use the planes out side view like you would a garden hose and spray tracers like water. Then adjust the stream until you hit the target, It ain't no mystery.
I bet 90% of the super shooters in the DA use it while pleading innocence if you call them on it. Most times they will be flying something with a lot of ammo like a P-47 or a perked cannon ride that don't need many hits to get a kill. I see a use in the TA for F-3 mode but not in the MA or DA. No F-3 in the MA would also have the effect of making it much harder to bomb tanks at a spawn in A-20s and other bombers with the F-3 option. I would like to see F-3 out of the DA & MA.
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No F-3 in the MA would also have the effect of making it much harder to bomb tanks at a spawn in A-20s and other bombers with the F-3 option. I would like to see F-3 out of the DA & MA.
I have never used F3 mode for bombing GV's just have had no need to do that I guess I just have my aiming points down from the pilots seat. How ever I still would not disable F3 mode in the main arena.
Why? From what I recall we have F3 mode on some of these aircraft is because the actual aircraft was manned by more than one crewmen & this gave the pilot more eyes in the sky to see what was about. Until there is a way to see behind you better or we have auto crewmen that warn you or you can get a gunner with you every flight than the examples shown from the pilots seat F3 mode is here to stay.
A20.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/ahss46.jpg)
AR234.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/ahss47.jpg)
B25C.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/ahss48.jpg)
B25H.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/ahss49.jpg)
B26.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/ahss50.jpg)
BOSTON.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/ahss51.jpg)
IL-2.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/ahss53.jpg)
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I made it for hitech, he says he wanted to see how f3 mode gave u a better shooting advantage
I understood, I thank you.
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Not to argue with you lyric, I understand that argument, and partially agree. However, how would you explain the lack of F3 in the 110, or the Mossie VI vs the Mossie XVI F3 modes?
Or what if you lose the tail gunner in say the IL-2, your F3 mode remains even minus the extra set of eyeballs back there.
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Why can't I get the film to download?! :furious
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Of course F-3 gives a shooting advantage, how could it not. In the MA you know if you are below your opponents line of sight. He will have no gun solution on you and you can slip his shot. However in the DA the guy using F-3 mode can make fantastic shots from out side his plane. Aiming has nothing to do with it. You simply use the planes out side view like you would a garden hose and spray tracers like water. Then adjust the stream until you hit the target, It ain't no mystery.
I bet 90% of the super shooters in the DA use it while pleading innocence if you call them on it. Most times they will be flying something with a lot of ammo like a P-47 or a perked cannon ride that don't need many hits to get a kill. I see a use in the TA for F-3 mode but not in the MA or DA. No F-3 in the MA would also have the effect of making it much harder to bomb tanks at a spawn in A-20s and other bombers with the F-3 option. I would like to see F-3 out of the DA & MA.
The other unmentioned advantage is sight. in F3, you can see E V E R Y T H I N G coming at you, almost at you, and anything that will get to you next week. I started out in the DA and if HiTech shuts off the F3 feature, he will lose half of that crowd....guarantee you that. The regular DA guys almost never go to the MA...only when there arent 40+ people at the DA lake. They all claim they are just as good in the MA (shot %) as they are in the DA. I have never gotten one to come "see", lol.
Changeup
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Maybe use F-3 in bomber formation flights only. If you up a single bomber like an A-20 or IL-2s, Then no F-3 mode for you. I do believe the DA's furball lake would be a ghost town without F-3 mode.
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Not to argue with you lyric, I understand that argument, and partially agree. However, how would you explain the lack of F3 in the 110, or the Mossie VI vs the Mossie XVI F3 modes?
Or what if you lose the tail gunner in say the IL-2, your F3 mode remains even minus the extra set of eyeballs back there.
OK lets start with 110's.
As you can see in both models you have an unobstructed view behind you if you set your views up right for the pilot. Also they don't have a bomber only designation in game. So HTC has not given it F3 mode because it was not a dedicated bomber.
BF110C-4B.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/ahss54.jpg)
BF110G-2.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/ahss55.jpg)
Mosquito VI.
Has a fighter only designation in game & again a great view behind you if you set your views up right. So no need for F3 here.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/ahss56.jpg)
Mosquito XVI.
This has F3 mode & also a great view behind you. Since it is a dedicated bomber HTC has given it F3 mode as do all the dedicated bombers do in game.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/ahss57.jpg)
Now loosing the the tail gunner & extra eyes. Well since around the pilot there is a steal tub plate almost completely obscuring the pilots view & also it to has a dedicated bomber title in game you have F3 mode.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/ahss53.jpg)
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I was just playing devil's advocate. I don't see why one Mossie should have F3 and the other one not have it. Why would a dedicated bomber with no gunners have it? My point about the 110 is; it has a tail gunner, which seems to be a factor in if a plane has F3. But it doesn't because it has no bomber mode, even though it carries more ord than an IL-2.
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I think I counted 9-10 against F3 and 1 kind of for it.
1 very confused Uptown as well.
I like the idea of disabling weapon usage while in F3 mode.
<S> Melvin
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I think I counted 9-10 against F3 and 1 kind of for it.
1 very confused Uptown as well.
I like the idea of disabling weapon usage while in F3 mode.
<S> Melvin
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most bombers have f3 mode to make up for the fact that in ww2, you had multiple ppl watching all diff sides at all times. f3 mode is the only way to properly replicate that. any plane that consists of more than 1 pilot deserves to have f3 mode. you guys want realism? f3 is as close to it as we can get when it comes to multiple points of view. and it shouldnt be disabled in DA because sometimes its just fun to fly in f3 mode, and look at your plane, and admire the skin.
if your angry about "ppl flying in f3 mode" then stay in the MA. where fighters cant go into f3 mode.
and we have ALOT worse problems in DA than flying in f3 mode, like the HO'ing,picking,spitdweebs, HOing temps,vultchers,chatbox whiners,etc. i see f3 mode at the bottom of the list of problems in there.
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no.
most bombers have f3 mode to make up for the fact that in ww2, you had multiple ppl watching all diff sides at all times. f3 mode is the only way to properly replicate that. any plane that consists of more than 1 pilot deserves to have f3 mode. you guys want realism? f3 is as close to it as we can get when it comes to multiple points of view. and it shouldnt be disabled in DA because sometimes its just fun to fly in f3 mode, and look at your plane, and admire the skin.
if your angry about "ppl flying in f3 mode" then stay in the MA. where fighters cant go into f3 mode.
and we have ALOT worse problems in DA than flying in f3 mode, like the HO'ing,picking,spitdweebs, HOing temps,vultchers,chatbox whiners,etc. i see f3 mode at the bottom of the list of problems in there.
Most of us don't care about F3 mode at the lake.
There was another purpose to the 'Dueling' arena before the furball lake was created ya know...
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I have never used F3 mode for bombing GV's just have had no need to do that I guess I just have my aiming points down from the pilots seat. How ever I still would not disable F3 mode in the main arena.
Why? From what I recall we have F3 mode on some of these aircraft is because the actual aircraft was manned by more than one crewmen & this gave the pilot more eyes in the sky to see what was about. Until there is a way to see behind you better or we have auto crewmen that warn you or you can get a gunner with you every flight than the examples shown from the pilots seat F3 mode is here to stay.
A20.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/ahss46.jpg)
AR234.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/ahss47.jpg)
B25C.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/ahss48.jpg)
B25H.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/ahss49.jpg)
B26.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/ahss50.jpg)
BOSTON.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/ahss51.jpg)
IL-2.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/ahss53.jpg)
The solution is simple. make it On bomber type aircraft you can view in F3. But not be able to shoot or drop bombs. They can use the same type SA that AW had. little icons at the edge of the screens to let you know if someone else was near you and roughly where
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I don't see why any fighter would have F-3 Mode except in the TA where it has a use. Not being able to fire weapons or drop ords from bomber type aircraft in F-3 would solve the problem in the MA.
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HTC could always decide to ditch the "design choice" of having no mirrors. :noid
The AR234 had an awesome periscope, which allowed crews to sight the enemy and use the 20mm rear facing guns :D
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I was just playing devil's advocate. I don't see why one Mossie should have F3 and the other one not have it. Why would a dedicated bomber with no gunners have it? My point about the 110 is; it has a tail gunner, which seems to be a factor in if a plane has F3. But it doesn't because it has no bomber mode, even though it carries more ord than an IL-2.
You need to ask HTC staff then. I did not make the rules in AHII.
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The solution is simple. make it On bomber type aircraft you can view in F3. But not be able to shoot or drop bombs. They can use the same type SA that AW had. little icons at the edge of the screens to let you know if someone else was near you and roughly where
I would not take issue with any of these ideas. I don't & can't shoot in F3 mode & never have bombed in F3 mode.
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I would not take issue with any of these ideas. I don't & can't shoot in F3 mode & never have bombed in F3 mode.
Nor do/can I
But Im for anything that takes away some of the arcadishness thats been encroaching its way into the game.
And F3 is another reason for me not to frequent the Da. Other then the other reason is that its no longer a DA.
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no.
most bombers have f3 mode to make up for the fact that in ww2, you had multiple ppl watching all diff sides at all times. f3 mode is the only way to properly replicate that. any plane that consists of more than 1 pilot deserves to have f3 mode. you guys want realism? f3 is as close to it as we can get when it comes to multiple points of view. and it shouldnt be disabled in DA because sometimes its just fun to fly in f3 mode, and look at your plane, and admire the skin.
if your angry about "ppl flying in f3 mode" then stay in the MA. where fighters cant go into f3 mode.
and we have ALOT worse problems in DA than flying in f3 mode, like the HO'ing,picking,spitdweebs, HOing temps,vultchers,chatbox whiners,etc. i see f3 mode at the bottom of the list of problems in there.
No {your words] you can change position if you want to look behind you.
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I have never used F3 mode for bombing GV's just have had no need to do that I guess I just have my aiming points down from the pilots seat. How ever I still would not disable F3 mode in the main arena.
Why? From what I recall we have F3 mode on some of these aircraft is because the actual aircraft was manned by more than one crewmen & this gave the pilot more eyes in the sky to see what was about. Until there is a way to see behind you better or we have auto crewmen that warn you or you can get a gunner with you every flight than the examples shown from the pilots seat F3 mode is here to stay.
A20.
No one is asking to disable the buffs. Only the ones that are flown as fighters. Glad to see you think we are a minority crowd though. I see a lot of people here asking for it to stay on and they do explain their position very well. :lol
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No one is asking to disable the buffs. Only the ones that are flown as fighters. Glad to see you think we are a minority crowd though. I see a lot of people here asking for it to stay on and they do explain their position very well. :lol
I thought we had nothing more to say to each other on this issue? So who decides what gets flown as fighters then?
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So who decides what gets flown as fighters then?
The players of course Sir!
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The players of course Sir!
Start listing them here then.
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No {your words] you can change position if you want to look behind you.
No
(in my own words again) that wouldnt be the same as haveing multiple points of views at the same time.
like i said, any plane with more than 1 pilot or gunners deserves f3 mode, because those other pilots/gunners would be constantly looking around. watching out for aircraft and gvs' alike.
changing from the cocpit to a gun postion THEN looking around wouldnt be the same, cus you still have a limited 1 person point of view nomatter what part of the plane your in.
example: your in a b17. your in the ball turret. scanning for gvs. when suddenly you get bounced by an 109 and get shot down.
YOU didnt see the 109 above you, because YOU are the only one in the bomber, and you were in the ball turret, where you only had a limited 1 person point of view of the bottom of the plane, and some of the sides.
but in reality. you would of have the top gunners. and the side gunners,(every gunner actually) scanning the skies and ground. the top gunner would of seen the 109 and alerted you.
the only way to actually fully replicate that would be to load up the bomber with how many players there was gunners in that aircraft. but i dout 7 ppl wanna load up in a b25 and do milk runs all day. so f3 mode is still the best way to replicate full line of sight on all sides.
but sence everyone here seems determined to get rid of f3 mode, i'll issure my own compromise.
what if bombers,and fighters that had more than 1 pilot, had a warning system? similier to "check 6!" but instead it would be the gunners/co-pilot warning the pilot of an incoming plane?
example: use the gunners in the bomber as "spotters" there line of sight would have a range of 3k. and once a fighter or anything came within 3k range of that side of the gunner, the gunner would call out warning you of the fighter. so you can jump into that gun.
like take the b17 i mentioned early. your flying along in the cocpit, no f3 mode. the computer "gunners" would be scanning the skies from there postion. then here comes the up top. once that 109 got within 3k of the bomber, the top gunner would warn you about it. it could be spoken verbily to you like the check6 is. and it would show up in your chatbox like this:"check top turrent! enemy aircraft!". then once he's warned you of the enemies presence, you can hop into the top turret and defend yourself.
i wouldnt mind loosing f3 mode if this^ way was implimented into the game.
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I thought we had nothing more to say to each other on this issue? So who decides what gets flown as fighters then?
:lol There is a reason you are arguing for it to stay on. Not only you use the easy mode, you are probably depended on it. I rarely go after GVs, but when I do, I am in an IL2 in F3 mode strafing them. Its is so match easier to aim and see them. You know, like in real life where my tail gunner would be helping me aim at the GV :rofl
No film though, so just ignore me :lol
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Start listing them here then.
I was not being a smarty Lyric. Sometimes folks up a bomber and use it as a fighter. So the players decide. I get the gist of your question though, and in the end it's HTC who decides.
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I was not being a smarty Lyric. Sometimes folks up a bomber and use it as a fighter. So the players decide. I get the gist of your question though, and in the end it's HTC who decides.
Did not perceive you to being a smarty I was serious. Fair enough on your answer. :aok :salute
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Shooting in f3 mode is just a crutch. I wish it was removed from the DA.
It has a place in the training arena only.
They should remove it and the score in the DA. There are no reasons for either.
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just a quick question, how many years have we ALL had access to use F3 mode? all of us have had access, it's there to use or not use, now why all of a sudden is this a big deal, after all these years, 2 threads on this subject first one was because he got owned by a IL2, big deal it happens to alot of people ( me included) but i learned how to deal with IL2's, i don't understand why after all this time F3 is all of a sudden a bigdeal :rolleyes:
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just a quick question, how many years have we ALL had access to use F3 mode? all of us have had access, it's there to use or not use, now why all of a sudden is this a big deal, after all these years, 2 threads on this subject first one was because he got owned by a IL2,
maybe some dont wanna give up the only way the can shoot ? :)
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:lol There is a reason you are arguing for it to stay on. Not only you use the easy mode, you are probably depended on it. I rarely go after GVs, but when I do, I am in an IL2 in F3 mode strafing them. Its is so match easier to aim and see them. You know, like in real life where my tail gunner would be helping me aim at the GV :rofl
No film though, so just ignore me :lol
Where to start with this :headscratch: I have already answered as to how I bomb GV's no F3 mode to do it. I can't shoot in F3 mode so I don't do it. I have agreed with you to get rid of F3 mode in the DA lake arena. I have said in this thread or the other on this topic I agree with no shooting or bombing in F3 mode.
So what is your point now? I guess you are saying I am not being truthful about what & how I do what I do? Oh well your wrong & nothing will convince you otherwise.
It is a little strange you want F3 mode gone in the MA & yet you use it yourself to shoot tanks. More luck to you I know I can't do that. Well I hope you get what you want & start learning to shoot from the IL-2 pilots seat.
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No
(in my own words again) that wouldnt be the same as haveing multiple points of views at the same time.
like i said, any plane with more than 1 pilot or gunners deserves f3 mode, because those other pilots/gunners would be constantly looking around. watching out for aircraft and gvs' alike.
changing from the cocpit to a gun postion THEN looking around wouldnt be the same, cus you still have a limited 1 person point of view nomatter what part of the plane your in.
example: your in a b17. your in the ball turret. scanning for gvs. when suddenly you get bounced by an 109 and get shot down.
YOU didnt see the 109 above you, because YOU are the only one in the bomber, and you were in the ball turret, where you only had a limited 1 person point of view of the bottom of the plane, and some of the sides.
but in reality. you would of have the top gunners. and the side gunners,(every gunner actually) scanning the skies and ground. the top gunner would of seen the 109 and alerted you.
the only way to actually fully replicate that would be to load up the bomber with how many players there was gunners in that aircraft. but i dout 7 ppl wanna load up in a b25 and do milk runs all day. so f3 mode is still the best way to replicate full line of sight on all sides.
How lazy are you? It takes 1 second to move from turret to turret. Are you saying you don't have three seconds with which to you can check for incoming Bandits, by jumping to rear and top positions? That's the reason we need F3 mode? Seems like a big coruption of the game principles for nothing. :salute
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I do not agree with having F3 enabled for anything except large level bombers.....
Indeed when level/attack bombers are set to "attack" I believe that F3, F6 and formations should be disabled
(equally when level formation bombers are chosen I believe bombs should only be released from F6)
It quite clear that that F3 gives a level of SA in many small bombers that would just not have been available to the pilot. The idea that F3 is equal to pilot plus crew is a misnomer it is infact far better than pilot plus crew. (particularly under the nose)
As a compromise I would think it justifiable to be able to configure the "look back" hat view to be the "home" view of the rear gunner and then deny F3 to such ac as I mention above.
The views posted above are neat but I have found them almost impossible to achieve with TIR. Indeed in many ways they seem to be views that would be denied any pilot in RL.
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just a quick question, how many years have we ALL had access to use F3 mode? all of us have had access, it's there to use or not use, now why all of a sudden is this a big deal, after all these years, 2 threads on this subject first one was because he got owned by a IL2, big deal it happens to alot of people ( me included) but i learned how to deal with IL2's, i don't understand why after all this time F3 is all of a sudden a bigdeal :rolleyes:
I've only been playing for a year and a half, and I had no idea an Il-2 or anything else had F3 mode enabled in the MA during flight. I don;t think many who fly Il-2 knew you could fly and shoot it that way. I think a lot of people found out from this thread.
Now that they know, they don't like it.
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I've only been playing for a year and a half, and I had no idea an Il-2 or anything else had F3 mode enabled in the MA during flight. I don;t think many who fly Il-2 knew you could fly and shoot it that way. I think a lot of people found out from this thread.
Now that they know, they don't like it.
I can think of two IL2 drivers that do use it. You can tell by the shots they take. Btw, when I drive it I use it too! It's a significant advantage. It won't bother me one bit to get rid of it
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As a compromise I would think it justifiable to be able to configure the "look back" hat view to be the "home" view of the rear gunner and then deny F3 to such ac as I mention above.
This is interesting.
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just a quick question, how many years have we ALL had access to use F3 mode? all of us have had access, it's there to use or not use, now why all of a sudden is this a big deal, after all these years, 2 threads on this subject first one was because he got owned by a IL2, big deal it happens to alot of people ( me included) but i learned how to deal with IL2's, i don't understand why after all this time F3 is all of a sudden a bigdeal :rolleyes:
Three reasons:
1) The DA was not always like that
2) Someone mentioned it and people responded
3) HT asked for a film and therefore the 2nd thread
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Oh for crying out loud ppl, let ghi have F3, at least he ups at that capped base so you have something to shoot at. I mean how many ppl here get in a good ole fashion 1v1 with an IL-2? I would venture to say never or very rarely, and if you ever do, how often is them being able to use F3 actually tangibly helping them? The problem here is that you don’t like missing your shot, zooming by at 400mph, and then catching cartoon lead in the trunk of your pickmobile. Boo-freakin-hoo.
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Oh for crying out loud ppl, let ghi have F3, at least he ups at that capped base so you have something to shoot at. I mean how many ppl here get in a good ole fashion 1v1 with an IL-2? I would venture to say never or very rarely, and if you ever do, how often is them being able to use F3 actually tangibly helping them? The problem here is that you don’t like missing your shot, zooming by at 400mph, and then catching cartoon lead in the trunk of your pickmobile. Boo-freakin-hoo.
QFT
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I am in the DA a good bit and have yet to see many of these people who are posting in the DA.........F3 is just about as useful as turning off tracers so you can HO more efficiently, A BIG WASTE OF TIME.......Joach gets a shot like that MAYBE 10% of the time. The other 90% I am making S'mores on his flaming tail section! :devil
Eliminating F3 will accomplish very little. Flying in F3 may end up hurting your ACM more than helping when going from DA to MA.....seems this subject has gotten more conversation than its worth on a "shot that took me 5 MONTHS to get".....enuff said. :banana: :banana: :banana:
THE Rev
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I am in the DA a good bit and have yet to see many of these people who are posting in the DA.........F3 is just about as useful as turning off tracers so you can HO more efficiently, A BIG WASTE OF TIME.......Joach gets a shot like that MAYBE 10% of the time. The other 90% I am making S'mores on his flaming tail section! :devil
Eliminating F3 will accomplish very little. Flying in F3 may end up hurting your ACM more than helping when going from DA to MA.....seems this subject has gotten more conversation than its worth on a "shot that took me 5 MONTHS to get".....enuff said. :banana: :banana: :banana:
THE Rev
hehe
:bolt:
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SunBat does have a point.
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SunBat does have a point.
Yep, but I'll never publicly agree with him.
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I do not agree with having F3 enabled for anything except large level bombers.....
As a compromise I would think it justifiable to be able to configure the "look back" hat view to be the "home" view of the rear gunner and then deny F3 to such ac as I mention above.
I dont even think F3 should even be enabled for that. Reason being is you just gave the near perfect solution to the view problem
Currently from the pilots position you cant see much past the 3&9 oclock views. The solution.Simply set the other views to be external but only from the position that your in. Bombadiers position should never have an external view. period.
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If an aircraft is allowed formations, it should be allowed F3.
This allows the global view that 3 flight crews might have.
No weapons should be enabled while in F3. (Of the user. That's to say that a gunner could shoot, as long as He/She isn't in F3.)
My $.02
<S> Melvin
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I find this funny was flying from same hoarded base as offending il2 f3 shooter the other day. Hes flying a pos ride if your flying virtually any other ride you have a huge advantage over him not to mention usually numbers alt speed etc etc, but still the tears flowed. Forget f3 how much more of an advantage do some of you need to shoot down a crappy il2 in an uber ride? Lol
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I find this funny was flying from same hoarded base as offending il2 f3 shooter the other day. Hes flying a pos ride if your flying virtually any other ride you have a huge advantage over him not to mention usually numbers alt speed etc etc, but still the tears flowed. Forget f3 how much more of an advantage do some of you need to shoot down a crappy il2 in an uber ride? Lol
A perfectly valid argument.
I still feel that F3 should be limited if only for the reason that IL-2, A-20, etc. drivers could NOT see everything within the sphere of their aircraft. Not even with crewmen.
I would even go so far as to suggest that Lancasters should lose F3 due to the fact that they didn't have ball turret gunners. Surely there must have been a blind spot somewhere. :neener:
Seriously, blind spot = NO F3
<S> Melvin
Edit: For those that are in favor of F3, the burden of proof is on your backs. You must prove that there would be 0 blind spots with regards to the flight crew. (As far as this argument goes anyway.)
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maybe it's losing a 262 to the IL2 that spurred all this :rofl ummm i could be wrong
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I find this funny was flying from same hoarded base as offending il2 f3 shooter the other day. Hes flying a pos ride if your flying virtually any other ride you have a huge advantage over him not to mention usually numbers alt speed etc etc, but still the tears flowed. Forget f3 how much more of an advantage do some of you need to shoot down a crappy il2 in an uber ride? Lol
Misses the whole point
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If you die to ghi's same neg G stick stir f3 shooting move more than once. You are a complete idiot.
who really cares about f3 mode? use it if you want to. that is what its there for. I use it in the A20 when bombing and the IL2 when popping turrets with the taters. Cant shoot worth a piss with it on. Not like i could shoot worth a damn anyways.
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maybe it's losing a 262 to the IL2 that spurred all this :rofl ummm i could be wrong
Twice this tour he killed me in my 262, 1 was my fault the other he snapshotted me from 800 out
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Misses the whole point
You gonna guess my opinion of flying with f3? do I think it needs changed anywhere nope does it offer an advantage shooting not really. GHI's use of the IL2 is were this whole recent 'debate' started so my post is valid, it boils down to tears :cry :cry.
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I defend bases in a P40 some times. Really crappy ride. Can I get F3 also? Lets pretend its the tower telling me where the bad guys are :neener:
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Melvin gets it and I agree.
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Just eliminate the cockpit obtructions for these particular aircraft and make them fly from the seat! It seems this would eliminate the unrealistic "out of plane" view of F3 and exchange it for a more realistic yet modified "inplane" view for the game!
I mean honestly, what would be wrong with this and how many peeps would have issues with it? :aok
JUGgler
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after 5 months of trying to get that shot
So it isn't instant gratification then.
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So it isn't instant gratification then.
No
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Let the DAers have their F3. It's not like it's going to help them in the MA.
As for bombers - F3 provides the all around visibility that would otherwide have been provided by the gunners and flight crew alongside the pilot. We can't have +/- 9 guys sat with us on our bomber flights, scanning the skies in all direction. If the downside of that is a couple of nooblets scoring an undernose shot, I'll take it. The alternative would screw over bomber pilots royally.
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Let the DAers have their F3. It's not like it's going to help them in the MA.
As for bombers - F3 provides the all around visibility that would otherwide have been provided by the gunners and flight crew alongside the pilot. We can't have +/- 9 guys sat with us on our bomber flights, scanning the skies in all direction. If the downside of that is a couple of nooblets scoring an undernose shot, I'll take it. The alternative would screw over bomber pilots royally.
Nop, only thing you have to do is make some planes attack and not buffs. No one is complaining about buffs. And no F3 in the DA unless someone can come up with a good reason.
I think now that HT got his films maybe we should hear something about it?
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Let the DAers have their F3. It's not like it's going to help them in the MA.
As for bombers - F3 provides the all around visibility that would otherwide have been provided by the gunners and flight crew alongside the pilot. We can't have +/- 9 guys sat with us on our bomber flights, scanning the skies in all direction. If the downside of that is a couple of nooblets scoring an undernose shot, I'll take it. The alternative would screw over bomber pilots royally.
no, becuase when a dual someone it gives them an advantage
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And no F3 in the DA unless someone can come up with a good reason.
All of the old H2Hers that are now actually PAYING for their account is going to be the best reason for HTC to keep it. They will not make the switch away from F3, many of them refuse to go into the MA because of it, so they would probably cancel their account. I can't blame HTC for not wanting to lose that revenue.
The second best reason is that I enjoy getting PM's from people accusing me of using F3. I would hate for that to stop. :D
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no, becuase when a dual someone it gives them an advantage
I have fought you before and you're good enough for me to make the following statment. The players that you are losing to in a duel are not beating you because they are using F3, they are beating you because they are good - therefore they don't use F3.
EDIT:
The corollary to that is that you are good enough to beat the people that use F3.
The conclusion to both statements is that it shouldn’t matter to you.
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I have fought you before and you're good enough for me to make the following statment. The players that you are losing to in a duel are not beating you because they are using F3, they are beating you because they are good - therefore they don't use F3.
It seems that they know what's going on underneath them, I miss alot of my shots and know that, but it seems most can make amazing shots on me
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It seems that they know what's going on underneath them, I miss alot of my shots and know that, but it seems most can make amazing shots on me
See my edit above.
Who are these people? Don't answer but I would say that the regular set of duelers that take part in the routine rolling 1v1's in the DA that are the better players (I'm not naming names because it's gay), do not use F3.
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I am in the DA a good bit and have yet to see many of these people who are posting in the DA.........F3 is just about as useful as turning off tracers so you can HO more efficiently, A BIG WASTE OF TIME.......Joach gets a shot like that MAYBE 10% of the time. The other 90% I am making S'mores on his flaming tail section! :devil
Eliminating F3 will accomplish very little. Flying in F3 may end up hurting your ACM more than helping when going from DA to MA.....seems this subject has gotten more conversation than its worth on a "shot that took me 5 MONTHS to get".....enuff said. :banana: :banana: :banana:
THE Rev
Rev,
The particulars aren't important really...what is important is the field of view FOR the shots taken. I really dont care either way, I think F3 is a huge crutch and it allows unrealistic shots simply from the field of view perspective...and that is a significant advantage...to say it isn't is not correct. I would be willing to bet that 1/2 the shots taken in the MA are under-the-nose shots taken in turns...and they results in misses with most of the burst because you can't see your con..in F3 you can see him and your ammo stream clearly. With F3, because of your field of view, you can adjust while spraying...that is a HUGE advantage. I flew that way for a year bro and I was making shots that I actually felt guilty for. But proof of the advantage is this: The DA lake folks very rarely come to the MA...if its not an advantage, why don't they? Because its more fun there? I can't tell them how to feel but there is much more fun to be had in the MA from my perspective.
The other issue you left off is even more simple. F3 gives a pilot an unbelievable SA advantage. That is how IL2 guys (me included) avoid the uber plane passes more than they would without it...the IL2 has a tail gunner...so it should remain F3 but in the DA in fighters, there shouldn't be any F3...period. Aerial gunnery and SA...the two most important parts of combat aviation and F3 gives you an advantage over both.
V/r
Changeup
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Rev,
The particulars aren't important really...what is important is the field of view FOR the shots taken. I really dont care either way, I think F3 is a huge crutch and it allows unrealistic shots simply from the field of view perspective...and that is a significant advantage...to say it isn't is not correct. I would be willing to bet that 1/2 the shots taken in the MA are under-the-nose shots taken in turns...and they results in misses with most of the burst because you can't see your con..in F3 you can see him and your ammo stream clearly. With F3, because of your field of view, you can adjust while spraying...that is a HUGE advantage. I flew that way for a year bro and I was making shots that I actually felt guilty for. But proof of the advantage is this: The DA lake folks very rarely come to the MA...if its not an advantage, why don't they? Because its more fun there? I can't tell them how to feel but there is much more fun to be had in the MA from my perspective.
The other issue you left off is even more simple. F3 gives a pilot an unbelievable SA advantage. That is how IL2 guys (me included) avoid the uber plane passes more than they would without it...the IL2 has a tail gunner...so it should remain F3 but in the DA in fighters, there shouldn't be any F3...period. Aerial gunnery and SA...the two most important parts of combat aviation and F3 gives you an advantage over both.
V/r
Changeup
god man...cry some more.
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It seems that they know what's going on underneath them, I miss alot of my shots and know that, but it seems most can make amazing shots on me
And that is why you will not meet your full potential. Instead of looking for things you may have done wrong you try to find excuses to why you lost. There is no excuses other than you made a mistake.
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And that is why you will not meet your full potential. Instead of looking for things you may have done wrong you try to find excuses to why you lost. There is no excuses other than you made a mistake.
Dude I only complain If I know it was an f3 shot, never do I complain about me losing to a descent stick, there's so many people better ten me, I know that.
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god man...cry some more.
Don't do It tyran
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Correct me if I'm wrong but it seems the biggest beef with F3 is NOT that someone got anal plugged while "base camping" or vulching it is that it just seems weird and out of place for certain planes. Now this game seems to play "at reality" to a limited degree and F3 is just absolutely waaaay out of the realm of any reality at all! I think that most critics of it "if I'm reading tween the lines correctly" are saying, If a plane is being used waaaay out of it's intended and "historical" use, what makes that possible? The only explanation is F3. History proves certain planes were absolute "death-traps" mainly to the limited views the pilots and crews had! now AH has differences in all planes also, a K4 will use it's better engine to gain advantage over planes with lesser engines. There are also disadvantages that others will use against you, peeps will attack lancs from below cause it is vulnerable from beneath. Many will use the vert against JUGS and just beat them down like a nail, some will count on the fact that planes like the c202 are almost harmless at snapshots and will take chances against this to gain advantage later in the fight. My point is all plane in this game have uppers and downers that whoever flies them needs to account for. Now inject a plane into a realm it was never intended for ie: IL2 fighting fighters then remove one of the main limiting factors for it to to this and you've created something that is just unhistorical enough to gain attention for its lack of accuracy. This lack of accuracy makes it stand out like amputated foot in a basket of popcorn! Thus you end up with peeps finding it gamey and cartoonish! To me F3 does seem like any of the other 40000 "shooter " type games out there!
With that said I am ok with F3, GHI got me again yesterday from 1K out :) <-- that is always worth a laugh !!
JUGgler
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god man...cry some more.
Mr SATs is at it again.. I was stating facts ya troll which seems to be more than your contribution to this thread. JUGler must be crying too! Lmao...tard
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If fighting someone who uses F3 mode puts you at a serious disadvantage, you're doing something wrong. Something horribly wrong.
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Mr SATs is at it again.. I was stating facts ya troll which seems to be more than your contribution to this thread. JUGler must be crying too! Lmao...tard
actually im just trying to get involved in this "argument" just to be involved, but noone seems to want to involve me. am i doing something wrong guys? or do i need to whine more like changeup to get included into this argument? :headscratch:
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actually im just trying to get involved in this "argument" just to be involved, but noone seems to want to involve me. am i doing something wrong guys? or do i need to whine more like changeup to get included into this argument? :headscratch:
Why don't you start an "anti changeup" thread and move your troll elsewhere ;)
or just PM him and figure it out :aok
Just saying!
JUGgler
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All of the old H2Hers that are now actually PAYING for their account is going to be the best reason for HTC to keep it. They will not make the switch away from F3, many of them refuse to go into the MA because of it, so they would probably cancel their account. I can't blame HTC for not wanting to lose that revenue.
The second best reason is that I enjoy getting PM's from people accusing me of using F3. I would hate for that to stop. :D
So, how about the other paying customers? Some have been paying for over 10 years. How is some new guys money worth more than theirs? BTW< I don;t think anyone would leave because the went to the lake before F3 was anabled
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Seriously, have you ever fought the chaff that is permafixed to furball lake? F3 is their only saving grace.
Bombers that can fly in Attack Mode are still bombers. Scoring mode doesn't change the plane and any plane that was multi-crew IRL should have the advantage of F3 to offset the disadvantage of solo-manning. And yes, I extend this to 110's! And yes, I just started a sentence with 'and', twice!
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Why don't you start an "anti changeup" thread and move your troll elsewhere ;)
or just PM him and figure it out :aok
Just saying!
JUGgler
:lol
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actually im just trying to get involved in this "argument" just to be involved, but noone seems to want to involve me. am i doing something wrong guys? or do i need to whine more like changeup to get included into this argument? :headscratch:
You just need to type something that is intelligent. Nuff said
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If fighting someone who uses F3 mode puts you at a serious disadvantage, you're doing something wrong. Something horribly wrong.
And that is a reason to have it on?
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Why don't you start an "anti changeup" thread and move your troll elsewhere ;)
or just PM him and figure it out :aok
Just saying!
JUGgler
Because he doesn't have the stones to PM me....just a troll
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And that is a reason to have it on?
It's an SA crutch more than an aiming crutch. Effective use of in-cockpit views provides more than adequate SA anyway, and aiming is easier in nearly all situations from within the cockpit than from without. If people lose consistently to players using F3, they're doing something wrong.
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BTW< I don;t think anyone would leave because the went to the lake before F3 was anabled
I believe F3 was enabled when H2H dropped. And the type of person that won't lift a finger to learn something new (no F3 mode) is exactly the type that will quit when they can't have their way.
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God help me but I think Dedalos is correct :huh.
Not one person has said they need F3! All either say "change it" or "it doesn't matter"
soooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooo
The over all concensus is, it sux or it doesn't matter.
Why have it at all?
Again just saying :aok
JUGgler
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God help me but I think Dedalos is correct :huh.
Not one person has said they need F3! All either say "change it" or "it doesn't matter"
soooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooo
The over all concensus is, it sux or it doesn't matter.
Why have it at all?
Again just saying :aok
JUGgler
Agreed
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If people lose consistently to players using F3, they're doing something wrong.
Not that I care for DA lake, but I can imagine, the F3 view can change dynamics of the fight quite a lot.
In DA you got guys flying Tempests and other ungodly birds and only pick when safe. They're hovering 4-5k above anybody else. They don't have to maneuver to see if somebody is on their low six or climbing to them from bellow. It's nearly impossible even for a team of 2 or 3 to come into gun range, since F3 works as early warning system. It makes even the worst stick pretty much untouchable from anybody with a lesser bird.
If I'm right, then it's good to get rid of F3 view.
If I'm wrong, then it's no need to have F3 view enabled.
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If I'm wrong, then it's no need to have F3 view enabled.
Except for the $.
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Why don't you start an "anti changeup" thread and move your troll elsewhere ;)
or just PM him and figure it out :aok
Just saying!
JUGgler
because wheres the fun in that? :headscratch:
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Except for the $.
Could be. I can't talk about that, I'm bad at math :D
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Except for the $.
I wouldn't think there is enough F3 following to affect the bottom line! In fact I'm quite sure about this!
I have been wrong before though :huh Marriage and all :D
JUGgler
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because wheres the fun in that? :headscratch:
And thats what makes you an oxygen thief! Lol
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And thats what makes you an oxygen thief! Lol
lol. "oxygen thief". so clever.
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I wouldn't think there is enough F3 following to affect the bottom line! In fact I'm quite sure about this!
I have been wrong before though :huh Marriage and all :D
JUGgler
Many of the old players from H2H insist on having it. I know because I used to host the rooms. I would have F3 off most of the time and I got a lot of complaints. It only takes seven people to increase revenue by $100 a month.
As for the argument that the other, long term players that pay and don’t like it have money just as green, the answer to that is the longer you have been here the less they have to worry about losing your green money over petty crap.
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I wouldn't think there is enough F3 following to affect the bottom line! In fact I'm quite sure about this!
JUGgler
Yours and Dedalos' logic is impeccible. Any other argument is financial or emotional. However, HTC will lose quite a few DA guys if it goes away because 90% use F3. The good guys in there.....TA57x, Spacy, MacDaddy, Rowdy and others will tell you the truth about using it. They are great guys but the clearly understand the advantages and it wouldn't be the same game to them if it were removed. Just saying....
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Not that I care for DA lake, but I can imagine, the F3 view can change dynamics of the fight quite a lot.
Only insofar as it increases SA, but most of the complaints I've seen here refer to aim. If you were to disable guns in F3 mode, that would have no effect on the SA component.
Most of the complaints about the use of F3 mode in the MA center on less than godly planes like the Sturmovik, but I don't buy that F3 mode turns Sturmies into unkillable snapshot machines. I suspect that guys like ghi would probably still continue to be successful in them with or without F3. His SA might take a hit, but he's obviously quite good at suckering people into making bad passes.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4QoOdDLfCo
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Yours and Dedalos' logic is impeccible. Any other argument is financial or emotional. However, HTC will lose quite a few DA guys if it goes away because 90% use F3. The good guys in there.....TA57x, Spacy, MacDaddy, Rowdy and others will tell you the truth about using it. They are great guys but the clearly understand the advantages and it wouldn't be the same game to them if it were removed. Just saying....
the actual advantages in flying f3 mode is slim actually. ive tryed it many times (i admit) the only time ive ever seen when its good to use is when diving on someone or deflection shots. its horrible to use in a turn/vertical fight(atleast for me) because for some reason i'll think im goin in the vertical when really my planes turning in the horrizontal, and i ddint realise it because of my point of view. and actually f3 mode can be a hinderance when trying to line up a shot on a running plane. some planes (like the p47) are so fat they can block your sight when in f3 mode.
like i said b4 only time i truly use f3 mode anymore is when flying the p47D-11. and thats only because of its horrible cockpit design.(how the aiming is too the side)
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Yours and Dedalos' logic is impeccible. Any other argument is financial or emotional. However, HTC will lose quite a few DA guys if it goes away because 90% use F3. The good guys in there.....TA57x, Spacy, MacDaddy, Rowdy and others will tell you the truth about using it. They are great guys but the clearly understand the advantages and it wouldn't be the same game to them if it were removed. Just saying....
If you people are not going to listen to me listen to Changeup.
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Many of the old players from H2H insist on having it. I know because I used to host the rooms. I would have F3 off most of the time and I got a lot of complaints. It only takes seven people to increase revenue by $100 a month.
As for the argument that the other, long term players that pay and don’t like it have money just as green, the answer to that is the longer you have been here the less they have to worry about losing your green money over petty crap.
If they're so profitable, don't they deserve their own 'easy mode' arena?
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the actual advantages in flying f3 mode is slim actually. ive tryed it many times (i admit) the only time ive ever seen when its good to use is when diving on someone or deflection shots. its horrible to use in a turn/vertical fight(atleast for me) because for some reason i'll think im goin in the vertical when really my planes turning in the horrizontal, and i ddint realise it because of my point of view. and actually f3 mode can be a hinderance when trying to line up a shot on a running plane. some planes (like the p47) are so fat they can block your sight when in f3 mode.
like i said b4 only time i truly use f3 mode anymore is when flying the p47D-11. and thats only because of its horrible cockpit design.(how the aiming is too the side)
I can go to the DA right now and land 10 killes with ease using F3, perfect timed and placed shots.
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I don't have a problem with F3. It does a great job simulating the extra "eyes" you'd have on the planes that have it enabled. I just think you shouldn't be able to shoot from that view. Pretend a waste gunner spots a con low 11 o'clock. He would call it out and the ball would go after it.
F3 is for visuals not for gunning.
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Only insofar as it increases SA, but most of the complaints I've seen here refer to aim. If you were to disable guns in F3 mode, that would have no effect on the SA component.
Most of the complaints about the use of F3 mode in the MA center on less than godly planes like the Sturmovik, but I don't buy that F3 mode turns Sturmies into unkillable snapshot machines. I suspect that guys like ghi would probably still continue to be successful in them with or without F3. His SA might take a hit, but he's obviously quite good at suckering people into making bad passes.
I think MA and rides with F3 enabled are fine as it is. No problem with that.
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I can go to the DA right now and land 10 killes with ease using F3, perfect timed and placed shots.
shut up jo, i dont care. :furious
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If they're so profitable, don't they deserve their own 'easy mode' arena?
Yes, that's why they have one.
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I can go to the DA right now and land 10 killes with ease using F3, perfect timed and placed shots.
Please post the films of these killes you speak of.
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shut up jo, i dont care. :furious
Stating a point, f3 is to big of an advantage for any arena.
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Please post the films of these killes you speak of.
When I get home I'll post them, they will be media fire links
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Except for the $.
Well, in the words of someone famous, I have yet to see a film of anyone quitting because they could not have supper SA :D
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Well, in the words of someone famous, I have yet to see a film of anyone quitting because they could not have supper SA :D
Have you ever seen a film of anyone quitting for any reason? :headscratch:
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Only insofar as it increases SA, but most of the complaints I've seen here refer to aim. If you were to disable guns in F3 mode, that would have no effect on the SA component.
Yes, aim as in using it to line up your plane for the shot when otherwise you could not see the bad guy. Also for aiming at GVs. A lot easier than using the the inside. You can use your tail as your aiming point.
Most of the complaints about the use of F3 mode in the MA center on less than godly planes like the Sturmovik, but I don't buy that F3 mode turns Sturmies into unkillable snapshot machines. I suspect that guys like ghi would probably still continue to be successful in them with or without F3. His SA might take a hit, but he's obviously quite good at suckering people into making bad passes.
Not unkillable. In those situations they use it to take down one or two guys no matter what the cost. However, being able to see people other wise not visible does help. As I said, I use a P40 sometimes. Not a great plane either. Can I get F3 also?
But, I don;t care about the MA (unless of coarse someone asks). There is no reason to have it on in the DA lake or other fields.
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If you die to ghi's same neg G stick stir f3 shooting move more than once. You are a complete idiot.
who really cares about f3 mode? use it if you want to. that is what its there for. I use it in the A20 when bombing and the IL2 when popping turrets with the taters. Cant shoot worth a piss with it on. Not like i could shoot worth a damn anyways.
What is really funny here is that nobody has offered any proof that GHI uses F3 mode. I haven't heard him say it but everybody just assumed we were talking about GHI when we hear of an IL-2 kicking buttocks. Do we even know that he does use it?
All the Best...
Jay
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Have you ever seen a film of anyone quitting for any reason? :headscratch:
So, we agree, it does not happen then? Seems to be the reasoning in this BBS. No film, it did not happen.
So, so far we have films of the shots being made and no film of anyone quiting from not having F3. Therefore, is should be safe to conclude that F3 can safely go away :old: :neener:
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What is really funny here is that nobody has offered any proof that GHI uses F3 mode. I haven't heard him say it but everybody just assumed we were talking about GHI when we hear of an IL-2 kicking buttocks. Do we even know that he does use it?
All the Best...
Jay
What is funny is that it is irrelevant. It does not matter if he is using it or not. This is not about him
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Yes, that's why they have one.
The one stolen from the other 'profitable group'?
...the HiTech gave, and the HiTech hath taken away
:devil
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What is funny is that it is irrelevant. It does not matter if he is using it or not. This is not about him
+1
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Do we even know that he does use it?
To answer your question but add nothing to this thread, yes he has said in more than one post that he flies it in F3 mode.
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To answer your question but add nothing to this thread, yes he has said in more than one post that he flies it in F3 mode.
When in an IL2, the only time I am not in F3 mode is when I check how match ammo is left lol
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What is funny is that it is irrelevant. It does not matter if he is using it or not. This is not about him
I agree Dedalos but if you searched for GHI in this thread it would pour out lots of hits. He's been mentioned over and over in these many pages of replies. I'm just saying that the topic has become a "GHI uses F3" thread. Now where are the frigging films of anyone doing it anyways?
All the Best...
Jay
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So, we agree, it does not happen then? Seems to be the reasoning in this BBS. No film, it did not happen.
So, so far we have films of the shots being made and no film of anyone quiting from not having F3. Therefore, is should be safe to conclude that F3 can safely go away :old: :neener:
Doh. You pwnd me.
I hereby challenge you to G6 duels! :old:
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the actual advantages in flying f3 mode is slim actually. ive tryed it many times (i admit) the only time ive ever seen when its good to use is when diving on someone or deflection shots. its horrible to use in a turn/vertical fight(atleast for me) because for some reason i'll think im goin in the vertical when really my planes turning in the horrizontal, and i ddint realise it because of my point of view. and actually f3 mode can be a hinderance when trying to line up a shot on a running plane. some planes (like the p47) are so fat they can block your sight when in f3 mode.
like i said b4 only time i truly use f3 mode anymore is when flying the p47D-11. and thats only because of its horrible cockpit design.(how the aiming is too the side)
Those are the advantages but you have a knack for understatement. It took me about 2 weeks of flying to figure out the gunnery component. I will give you some hints to try yourself. 1st, program your stick for internal and external views for quickness.
When directly behind someone aim in F3 by switching back to internal OR use the root of your rudder as your crosshair. SA needs no explanation nor does lead shots in turns.
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I agree Dedalos but if you searched for GHI in this thread it would pour out lots of hits. He's been mentioned over and over in these many pages of replies. I'm just saying that the topic has become a "GHI uses F3" thread. Now where are the frigging films of anyone doing it anyways?
All the Best...
Jay
You are right, it was turned into that by the people that need it but are afraid to say they do, or give any reason what so ever to have it on. It was easy to just say that we ask for it to be off because GHI killed us. I see the guy once a year and we are on the same side being vulched most of the time.
I think Joach1m and a few others posted a couple. They may be in a different thread though
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GHI is good and I have nothing against the way he flies...even though I died twice to him yesterday.
The first death I was diving on a con and was apparently within 1k of GHI...he killed me somehow even though he wasn't who i was attacking.
The 2nd death I came back angry looking for him...I found his IL2 slowed down on purpose and saddled him up...I shot off his tail and he fell away beneath me toward the ground....next thing I know a 37mm hits me and I'm going down.
This guy is so good at it he even got me with no tail. :D
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I agree Dedalos but if you searched for GHI in this thread it would pour out lots of hits. He's been mentioned over and over in these many pages of replies. I'm just saying that the topic has become a "GHI uses F3" thread. Now where are the frigging films of anyone doing it anyways?
All the Best...
Jay
If you check the thread, the only posts about GHi are people who keep defending him......even though no one said anything about him in the first place.
It went something like this.....
Thread starter......."F3 mode in Il-2 is gamy and should be romoved"
Troller.................."Stop picking on GHI, he's a great guy, you big cry baby, vulcher, picktard, noob, blah blah"
Vinkman :salute
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Those are the advantages but you have a knack for understatement. It took me about 2 weeks of flying to figure out the gunnery component. I will give you some hints to try yourself. 1st, program your stick for internal and external views for quickness.
When directly behind someone aim in F3 by switching back to internal OR use the root of your rudder as your crosshair. SA needs no explanation nor does lead shots in turns.
i'd try that if i actually had a stick. :lol
i fly with a mouse, the key buttons, and alot of this: :joystick:
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i'd try that if i actually had a stick. :lol
i fly with a mouse, the key buttons, and alot of this: :joystick:
Ahhh...F3 and F2 will get you the same speedy changes. Try it for a few nights in the DA...you'll be making unreal under-the-nose shots in a few evenings of practice. More specifically, you won't lose any cons that you get behind either...because you'll see every move they make when they make it. I can't tell you guys the shock it was in the MA for me when I would get behind someone and then they didn't re-appear where I thought they should...they were just gone from my field of view because the good pile-its used the "Hartmann Escape" or their own personal variation. I had gotten so used to F3 in the DA that it was shocking not to be able to track someone visually indefinitely.
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R 105 - that sounds like the technique I employ to try and hit the toilet bowl in the dark.
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Ahhh...F3 and F2 will get you the same speedy changes. Try it for a few nights in the DA...you'll be making unreal under-the-nose shots in a few evenings of practice. More specifically, you won't lose any cons that you get behind either...because you'll see every move they make when they make it. I can't tell you guys the shock it was in the MA for me when I would get behind someone and then they didn't re-appear where I thought they should...they were just gone from my field of view because the good pile-its used the "Hartmann Escape" or their own personal variation. I had gotten so used to F3 in the DA that it was shocking not to be able to track someone visually indefinitely.
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whats f2 mode do :s never seen it do anything before
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Toggles you back and forth between external and internal views.
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Toggles you back and forth between external and internal views.
thats f3 and f4 mode isent it?
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I thought F2 and F3 did it....it's programmed into my stick so I might be wrong
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The good thing about having F3 in there is that those folks needing it won't be coming to the Mains. The lake should have it's own arena for those folks requiring it though.
The actual DA would be better served with it off so no one would be prone to turning it on for dueling.
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The good thing about having F3 in there is that those folks needing it won't be coming to the Mains. The lake should have it's own arena for those folks requiring it though.
The actual DA would be better served with it off so no one would be prone to turning it on for dueling.
+1
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I think I may fly Il2 next tour. 1st week in F1, and 2nd week in F3 and see what the hubub is about. K/D and hit % should tell if there is a diff in a measurable way!
JUGgler
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I think I may fly Il2 next tour. 1st week in F1, and 2nd week in F3 and see what the hubub is about. K/D and hit % should tell if there is a diff in a measurable way!
JUGgler
Good luck looking out the back or toggling between pilot and gunner. Prepare to die a lot the first week.
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Good luck looking out the back or toggling between pilot and gunner. Prepare to die a lot the first week.
:rofl :rofl :rofl I fly a JUG, I'm use to getting shot down!
JUGgler
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:rofl :rofl :rofl I fly a JUG, I'm use to getting shot down!
JUGgler
LOL...understood...
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I think I may fly Il2 next tour. 1st week in F1, and 2nd week in F3 and see what the hubub is about. K/D and hit % should tell if there is a diff in a measurable way!
JUGgler
That will not be a proper experiment bc u need years of practice to match what guys like ghi and TA57 do.
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That will not be a proper experiment bc u need years of practice to match what guys like ghi and TA57 do.
Sunbat,
Honestly that isnt correct. There were several of us that learned to do it in short order...Brknarow, ADog31st, CAjones, Davski, Bat21,...it doesnt' take long. Use the root of the rudder for 6 oclock shots and set your cannons and 50's to 600 or 650. No BS...ask any of these guys. The improvement in SA will be immediate.
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Sunbat,
Honestly that isnt correct. There were several of us that learned to do it in short order...Brknarow, ADog31st, CAjones, Davski, Bat21,...it doesnt' take long. Use the root of the rudder for 6 oclock shots and set your cannons and 50's to 600 or 650. No BS...ask any of these guys. The improvement in SA will be immediate.
Changeup
Rowdy, zero7, crow, all people who I still fly with can tell u from there years in the DA f3 is cheap and easy
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Ive gotten so lazy that unless its on youtube i dont download.
+1
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Sunbat,
Honestly that isnt correct. There were several of us that learned to do it in short order...Brknarow, ADog31st, CAjones, Davski, Bat21,...it doesnt' take long. Use the root of the rudder for 6 oclock shots and set your cannons and 50's to 600 or 650. No BS...ask any of these guys. The improvement in SA will be immediate.
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I stand corrected.
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That will not be a proper experiment bc u need years of practice to match what guys like ghi and TA57 do.
This is not a comparison tween me and any other player, Just a comparison tween F1 and F3
I think if my skill set is constant good or bad, and there is a measurable difference in my performance F1 or F3 it will show which is better for me. This info I believe could be corolated to any player whatever the skill level.
Again it is just to show if K/D which will be indicator of SA advantage F1 or F3 changes, and hit percentage which should confirm which is better at gunnery F1 or F3 in regards to my abilities also!
Experience should have nothing to do with it as my ability will be constant for me, the only thing that would change my consistency would be a change to the tools at my disposal and or my flying style ie B&Z or base defence. I will do all I can to maintain the same flying style and parameters for the 2 weeks!
JUGgler