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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: mthrockmor on December 20, 2010, 08:28:51 PM
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What about adding this to the arsenal?
Great plane, combat record to verify and I bet well received in AH. With this we could create a special night operations arena with rudimentary radar, searchlights, visual down to 1000k, etc.
I bet the combo would be a big hit. What do others think?
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What about adding this to the arsenal?
Great plane, combat record to verify and I bet well received in AH. With this we could create a special night operations arena with rudimentary radar, searchlights, visual down to 1000k, etc.
I bet the combo would be a big hit. What do others think?
NEW FEATURE WAS ADDED A WHILE AGO! aka search bar, been asked for many times
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1000k?!?!?!! :noid :noid
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lol wasnt this on the poll where the B29 won and the P61 didnt win. Sry no
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Here...try my post from almost 2 years ago. :aok Its even has some facts.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,224218.0.html
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here's my post http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,295338.0.html
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Gentlemen, I would like to point out the meaning behind "beating a dead horse."
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Yes please +1
(I've never been a big fan of the search ability on these forums)
(http://i888.photobucket.com/albums/ac82/mbailey166066/AirshowPics2010029.jpg)
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Beautiful plane, awesome night fighter, would be a wonderful addition to the game. But ultimately, we don't need a night fighter yet, let alone an American one. We need more axis aircraft. (As they are starting to grow on me) :D
P.S. Maybe this will be added when HTC adds nighttime again... :noid
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Beautiful plane, awesome night fighter, would be a wonderful addition to the game. But ultimately, we don't need a night fighter yet, let alone an American one. We need more axis aircraft. (As they are starting to grow on me) :D
P.S. Maybe this will be added when HTC adds nighttime again... :noid
Well, we do have two British nighttime bombers.
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So? The widowmaker was a nightfighter through and through. If you wanted to make a weak case for it, you could say "we already have two night bombers." The widowmaker was a nightfighter and was used solely as such. And two planes out of 100+ isn't a very good defense. If you can tell me any more (specifically for night fighting, not just with the skins to do so), then you can do so.
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Well, we do have two British nighttime bombers.
And night skins too :old:
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to 1000k, etc.
Rook? :headscratch:
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Well, we do have two British nighttime bombers.
We do?
ack-ack
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So? The widowmaker was a nightfighter through and through. If you wanted to make a weak case for it, you could say "we already have two night bombers." The widowmaker was a nightfighter and was used solely as such. And two planes out of 100+ isn't a very good defense. If you can tell me any more (specifically for night fighting, not just with the skins to do so), then you can do so.
we do have 1 nightfighter(no radar or anything) the mossie6 was used as a basic nightfighter, so I think we can safely put this into play AFTER we get more axis aircraft
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We do?
ack-ack
I think the Lancaster did night bombing raids
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I think the Lancaster did night bombing raids
Seriously?
The B-17 was also used in night time bombing raids, does that make it a night bomber? The C-47 was also flown at night, does that make it a night transport?
Just because a plane flew at night doesn't mean it was a "night version" of that particular plane. Yes, the Lancaster was used in night time missions but that doesn't make it a dedicated night bomber, just a bomber that flew night missions along with daylight missions.
Sheesh...this was already discussed previously in that P-61 thread you linked to in this thread.
ack-ack
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If AH survives this current generation of noxious ignorant console bred gamers I would expect the P61 in game eventually, at some point in time.
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Seriously?
The B-17 was also used in night time bombing raids, does that make it a night bomber? The C-47 was also flown at night, does that make it a night transport?
Just because a plane flew at night doesn't mean it was a "night version" of that particular plane. Yes, the Lancaster was used in night time missions but that doesn't make it a dedicated night bomber, just a bomber that flew night missions along with daylight missions.
Sheesh...this was already discussed previously in that P-61 thread you linked to in this thread.
ack-ack
Never did I say it was only a night bomber, we have tons of plane that flew at night mossy6,110,f6f,TBM,b17, lanc, b24. Those are just off the top of my head and I'm sure there Is more so why can't we add the p61
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because we dont need it, we just dont need it.
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Never did I say it was only a night bomber, we have tons of plane that flew at night mossy6,110,f6f,TBM,b17, lanc, b24. Those are just off the top of my head and I'm sure there Is more so why can't we add the p61
Because there is no need for a pure-bred night fighter? :headscratch:
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because we dont need it, we just dont need it.
who nominated you to speak for we? You do not speak for me. I need it. I really need it.
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who nominated you to speak for we? You do not speak for me. I need it. I really need it.
I need it too, give me P61!!!!!
I'm gonna start breaking into cars to get enough money to fund my habit of P61
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If AH survives this current generation of noxious ignorant console bred gamers I would expect the P61 in game eventually, at some point in time.
Maybe all who support it are not console ignorant bred gamers. Maybe some us like the look, the technology and histroy behind the P-61. I'm not saying we need it right now. Would I like to see it in the future; yes.
I think people fail to see this is a wish list, a place to voice what you like to see in AH. Frankly I don't recall the staff of HTC saying "No night fighters allowed in AH". It does met the squadron strength, time frame and combat criteria.
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Well, a good discussion none the less. Yes, 1000k works. If we used that in metric it would work out to 1,000,000 meters, or you could guess that in typing really quick I hit the "k" right above the "m," though I am glad you found solace in the error. Somehow that makes your position more viable, I agree.
And yes, to the Few, I have read the older posts. A fresh round of discussion is a good thing. For some once spoken always spoken, I have a habit of bringing up issues again and again. Serves me really well in my real life, which deals with politics and law. Quite fitting since there seems to be a great deal of politics in here, with little law.
A while back, I think it was on America's Thanksgiving holiday, the screen suddenly went very dark. Enemy planes showed clearly though the range was around 1k (1000m) for my Pony rider and Tinhat friends. Shooting down a 109-K4 and a B-24 at night was great fun. Having a designed built night fighter like the P-61 would be even better.
Several great options with this whole line of thought. As boring as it gets, I will likely rehash it every 6 months or so. I'm glad in your boredom you have helped rehash it.
As for more Axis planes, what are you after? Variations beyond the 109-K4 or Ta-152? If AH would add some concept planes from the Axis arsenal it would be great, like the Arrow but I don't think that is going to happen. At least before they get the submarines.
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The widowmaker was a nightfighter and was used solely as such.
Really?
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Scan_41-1.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Scan_42-1.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Scan_43-1.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Scan_44-1.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Scan_45-1.jpg)
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Maybe all who support it are not console ignorant bred gamers. Maybe some us like the look, the technology and histroy behind the P-61. I'm not saying we need it right now. Would I like to see it in the future; yes.
I think people fail to see this is a wish list, a place to voice what you like to see in AH. Frankly I don't recall the staff of HTC saying "No night fighters allowed in AH". It does met the squadron strength, time frame and combat criteria.
I am 100% pro P61. Its the one plane I want more than any other for some unknown reason :)
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Really?
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Scan_41-1.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Scan_42-1.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Scan_43-1.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Scan_44-1.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Scan_45-1.jpg)
Nice find Lyric..well done :aok
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Nice find Lyric..well done :aok
Truth be told it is about the third or fourth time I have pulled these pics out on this debate. Or there abouts. The P61's just did not have anything to shoot at during the night towards each theaters end. So they loaded them up with ord & sent them out to bomb at night & day.
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I stand corrected, you killed my argument (happens quite a bit on the board these days).
But as it stands, the Widowmaker was originally built for night fighting purposes.
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And a lot of fighters were built for long range escort but were switched to air to ground attack roles.
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Which ones? As I recall (don't count on this) the P-51, P-47, P-38, P-39 (to name a few) were all conceived as F/A aircraft. No?
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But as it stands, the Widowmaker was originally built for night fighting purposes.
This is very true. :aok How ever in AHII every aircraft has a clip board with a radar system built in to it that the P61 would have never come close to back in it's day.
So I guess do we disable the radar/clipboard arrangement because we use nothing but day fighters? No that would not make sense.
So if we can get beyond the night fighter designation there really is not that much difference to all the other aircraft in game if it was to be included.
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I stand corrected, you killed my argument (happens quite a bit on the board these days).
But as it stands, the Widowmaker was originally built for night fighting purposes.
I'm pretty sure you were originally built for something a whole lot different than playing AH, doesn't mean
you shouldn't be in the game :D
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Rino, I challenge thee to a duel. Pistols at dawn... EST?
Lyric, you bring up a good point... This is why I lose chess matches... The other guy looks further ahead than I do... blasphemy... :D
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Alright, I've gotta say it, because you guys are driving me fricken' NUTS with it.
It's P-61 Black Widow. NOT Widowmaker.
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Alright, I've gotta say it, because you guys are driving me fricken' NUTS with it.
It's P-61 Black Widow. NOT Widowmaker.
:rofl
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You know I just try to tick you off. :D
I'm playing Fallout 3 right now and I got the Widowmaker perk... It stuck. Sorry bout that :rofl
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Alright, I've gotta say it, because you guys are driving me fricken' NUTS with it.
It's P-61 Black Widow. NOT Widowmaker.
psh details... :D
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So? The widowmaker was a nightfighter through and through. If you wanted to make a weak case for it, you could say "we already have two night bombers." The widowmaker was a nightfighter and was used solely as such. And two planes out of 100+ isn't a very good defense. If you can tell me any more (specifically for night fighting, not just with the skins to do so), then you can do so.
The arguement for not having night fighters is because we no longer have night time and the reason for them being used as night fightes is because of their radar.
Well neither argument holds water when it comes to this game.
As I mentioned in another post. It is not the fault of the planes why we dont have night. But rather the ignorance of some of the players.
Still We do have bombers that were like the P61 were almost exclusively used at night.
As for the radar. For them to equip any addition of the P61 with the radar it had. It would actually be a dumbed down version of the radar we have now in every plane and vehicle in the game.
As the radar that all of our planes not so historically have I might add. is far superior to anything the P61's had.
One use the 61's could have however. Is they could be made immune to local radar going down but perhaps at a reduced range. This would and should automatically make it a perk ride
And yes you can point to a couple of planes out of 100. The entire arguement about night is based on how they were historically flown. Yes only few flew missions in the day. But it shows it could have been done much like our dive bombing B-17's and Lancasters and thats been the entire arguement for allowing that.
And how many planes here are consistently flown in their "historical" manner? Come to think of it. How much of anything here is consistently done in a historical manner?
So you see. Not having night. and the P61s radar and historical use as a "night fighter" are not valid or significant enough arguments to keep it out of the game (in laymans terms. they are BS arguments)
There isnt a single argument yet I've seen that holds water in keeping the 61 or any night fighter out of the game
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If AH survives this current generation of noxious ignorant console bred gamers I would expect the P61 in game eventually, at some point in time.
Iit should. It was many of those same type of "noxious ignorant console bred gamers" that saw that night leave the game
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I never said I was against the Black Widow being added. I love the thing and would love it in-game. I was just building up a list of reasons it shouldn't be added so you guys could shoot them down :aok :noid
Would you believe me if I said I've done 3 different P-61 models? I really do love the bird.
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I never said I was against the Black Widow being added. I love the thing and would love it in-game. I was just building up a list of reasons it shouldn't be added so you guys could shoot them down :aok :noid
Would you believe me if I said I've done 3 different P-61 models? I really do love the bird.
LOL ok.
Just that I've heard the same tired arguments for years now why we shouldn't have it. Not one holds water
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Add the P-61A, Mosquito NF.Mk 30, Ju88G-7, and J1N1-S, give all of them a local personal radar, maybe a 10 mile radius or so. Could be fun flavor aircraft.
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This is very true. :aok How ever in AHII every aircraft has a clip board with a radar system built in to it that the P61 would have never come close to back in it's day.
So I guess do we disable the radar/clipboard arrangement because we use nothing but day fighters? No that would not make sense.
So if we can get beyond the night fighter designation there really is not that much difference to all the other aircraft in game if it was to be included.
:aok
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Add the P-61A, Mosquito NF.Mk 30, Ju88G-7, and J1N1-S, give all of them a local personal radar, maybe a 10 mile radius or so. Could be fun flavor aircraft.
Especially in the AvA where it actually turns night (although for only a few minutes).
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Add the P-61A, Mosquito NF.Mk 30, Ju88G-7, and J1N1-S, give all of them a local personal radar, maybe a 10 mile radius or so. Could be fun flavor aircraft.
+2
And the Corsair with the radar pod on the wing.
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Alright, I've gotta say it, because you guys are driving me fricken' NUTS with it.
It's P-61 Black Widow. NOT Widowmaker.
Thank you....it was driving me crazy too. :x
I think that there could be a use for the P-61 in game as a mobile radar platform. I'm not sure how much coding it would take, but we already have movable radar on the CV's.
However it should differ from CV dar in the following ways:
P-61 radar should be able to toggle on and off.
The enemy inside the P-61 radar ring should only be visible to friendly aircraft inside the ring.
I think that the P-61 should show up to the other 2 countries on the clipboard map when its radar is switched on (regardless of whether its inside a dar ring or not)
These features would offer incentive to use the aircraft as well as a way for keen map watchers to track down the P-61 assisted raids.
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I think that there could be a use for the P-61 in game as a mobile radar platform. I'm not sure how much coding it would take, but we already have movable radar on the CV's.
However it should differ from CV dar in the following ways:
P-61 radar should be able to toggle on and off.
The enemy inside the P-61 radar ring should only be visible to friendly aircraft inside the ring.
I think that the P-61 should show up to the other 2 countries on the clipboard map when its radar is switched on (regardless of whether its inside a dar ring or not)
These features would offer incentive to use the aircraft as well as a way for keen map watchers to track down the P-61 assisted raids.
You need to read a little about the P-61 & it's radar ability's. What your asking for is an AWACS aircraft/stealth. This was not possible back then with a P-61 & would not even be remotely close to being historically accurate.
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You need to read a little about the P-61 & it's radar ability's. What your asking for is an AWACS aircraft/stealth. This was not possible back then with a P-61 & would not even be remotely close to being historically accurate.
To add to this, airborn radar range was about the same as in game icon range in the MA, in front of the plane.
wrongway
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You need to read a little about the P-61 & it's radar ability's. What your asking for is an AWACS aircraft/stealth. This was not possible back then with a P-61 & would not even be remotely close to being historically accurate.
Not exactly what I'm wishing for. Although after more thought today I think a 30 degree arc of radar would be more appropriate than a full dar circle. (and as for historical accuracy, we don't have that now with the ability to see aircraft entering the radar ring from inside our cockpits)
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Oh Snap.... Touche'
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Not exactly what I'm wishing for. Although after more thought today I think a 30 degree arc of radar would be more appropriate than a full dar circle. (and as for historical accuracy, we don't have that now with the ability to see aircraft entering the radar ring from inside our cockpits)
Forget that the aircraft had radar in real life & just use the clipboard on it as we do with all other aircraft. This alone was far more than the P-61 was ever capable of.
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And a lot of fighters were built for long range escort but were switched to air to ground attack roles.
P-61 flew cap as well on long range escorts.
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To add to this, airborn radar range was about the same as in game icon range in the MA, in front of the plane.
wrongway
Here is some stuff I dug up.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Typh-2.jpg)
Or to get a little more technical.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/Typh1-1.jpg)
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Especially in the AvA where it actually turns night (although for only a few minutes).
If we were to get the P-61 they may want to add a few more minutes. Now that I have found the documentation I have been looking for about the night vision binoculars they used.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/P-61.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/P-611.jpg)
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I like this story for any of you had doubts about the P-61 in a air to air situation.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/P-612.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/P-614.jpg)
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Guys, check this training footage out for the P-61 Black Widow!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lo-f2x8T7d8&feature=related
I'd say that this ride would be an awesome addition, but obviously a high perk plane. Make the Radar a component that can be damaged in combat, and/or require a passanger aboard to make it functional. Maybe design an in-aircraft radar system to keep it from being too powerful. For instance, instead of the radar showing up on the clipboard map, it shows up on an instrument panel and does not specify friendly over foe, etc. Just an idea.
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I like this story for any of you had doubts about the P-61 in a air to air situation.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/P-612.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/P-614.jpg)
Flat out...I want one! So how do we start a bar room broiler about getting one? I don't know that we can pound on the table and chant but something. This bad boy witnesses combat and flys better then a Jug, likely turns better then a -51 as well. This means it will also outturn all 190s. Yada, yada, yada...should we start another thread and allow people to cast votes. As soon as we hit 250 we threaten a sit-in of AHs offices in Grapevine?
Just thinking out loud.
Boo
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Discussions regarding the radar and night fighting issues aside, I think the armament and sighting system would make it very interesting. Two skilled people could be quite a handful in it! Besides it's an interesting design and something different. Why not eventually?
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Why do we have 2 threads by the same guy on the same topic on top of a wishlist forum?
One needs: (http://www.totalgamingnetwork.com/images/smilies/locked.gif)
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The first thread was to talk about it. The second was to vote on it. Both have been great to read. The general answers seems to be yes with any where from a few to a dozen planes before this one. No need to lock either though. Only interested parties are reading, which seems to include you.
Boo
:salute
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The first thread was to talk about it. The second was to vote on it. Both have been great to read. The general answers seems to be yes with any where from a few to a dozen planes before this one. No need to lock either though. Only interested parties are reading, which seems to include you.
Boo
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As far as I can see people are talking about it in the other thread as well.
Also HTC usually adds the aircraft that they put in the pole first. I expect to see at least half of the following until they add any other aircraft mentioned in the wishlist, and the p61 has been in the wishlist for a very long time.
Pe-2 - Russian Medium Bomber
Ki-45 Toryu "Nick" - Japanese Attack / Heavy Fighter
Ki-43 Hayabusa "Oscar" - Japanese Fighter
Beaufighter - British Attack / Heavy Fighter
Me 410 - German Attack / Heavy Fighter
He 111 - German Medium Bomber
A-26 Invader - American Light Bomber / Attack
B-29 Superfortress - American Heavy Bomber
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This one could've died... If we hadn't resurrected it.
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ki 45 should be next to take on b29s
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So you want a plane that was built after the Japanese learned about LW "heavy fighter" Bf110s, designed in 1937, first flown in 1939, and didn't undergo much improvement until late 1941 where they met and were wiped from the skies by P-40s.....?
Many were built. Few were really used. The fighter variants that met P-40s several times in 1942 in group encounters simply proved the plane was no suitable for combat. They were repeatedly destroyed.
They were put into "home defense" which -- yes -- did include chasing B-29s... However the actual "combat" was lacking as the plane could neither climb to nor catch the B-29s.
Their last claim to fame in a terrible combat career was as kamikaze attacks on US warships nearing the Japanese islands.
-10,000 for inclusion into this game. Not very necessary.
EDIT: Just so you know... The Ki-45 had a FTH of less than 10,000 feet, at which it only reached 330mph (above 10k that would drop significantly) and a ceiling of 32k which was wholly inadequate to chase down B-29s cruising at 350mph and 32k
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J2M "Jack" or Ki-44 "Tojo" would make a better B-29 interceptor, if B-29s had to use cruise settings.
Against B-29s flying at full throttle I can't think of any Japanese fighter that has a chance in Hell of being effective.
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Gentlemen, I would like to point out the meaning behind "beating a dead horse."
NEW FEATURE WAS ADDED A WHILE AGO! aka search bar, been asked for many times
I love how both you fools joined the forums in 2010, whereas Boo has been here since 2008.
Go figure.
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I love how both you fools joined the forums in 2010, whereas Boo has been here since 2008.
Go figure.
Are you calling Boo old?
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No, I think he is calling me a fool or something similar. No worries.
In politics, which is what I do for a living, you keep the discussion fresh. Amazing how many people dislike the P-61, or at least want 10-30 planes before we get the P-61 but really enjoy explaining it. It's all good.
And let me add that the other one thread regarding the petition has more activity then this one, even though it is newer.
Boo
:salute
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I don't hate the P-61, my first ever model plane was the Black Widow. I don't want 30 planes added before the Black Widow, but there are certainly more pressing aircraft. Like I said, definitely not 30, but the HE-111 and the Ki-45 and the Pe-2 are certainly planes that would do a great deal more in the area of adding diversity than another American craft.
P-61 is a beauty, though. :aok
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No, I think he is calling me a fool or something similar. No worries.
In politics, which is what I do for a living, you keep the discussion fresh. Amazing how many people dislike the P-61, or at least want 10-30 planes before we get the P-61 but really enjoy explaining it. It's all good.
And let me add that the other one thread regarding the petition has more activity then this one, even though it is newer.
Boo
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Definately has nothing to do with dislike. In the end it's HTC's call anyway. I just try and look at it from a history perspective and how things might be used in other arenas beyond the MA. 61 is a beauty, but in the end it was not much more then a footnote compared to some other birds that aren't there yet like......wait for it......The Beaufighter! :)
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Definately has nothing to do with dislike. In the end it's HTC's call anyway. I just try and look at it from a history perspective and how things might be used in other arenas beyond the MA. 61 is a beauty, but in the end it was not much more then a footnote compared to some other birds that aren't there yet like......wait for it......The Beaufighter! :)
So a Beaufighter has a 120mm cannon slung underneath it? Ok, not a 120mm but looks big enough. I'd vote for a Beaufighter and if AH would add a convoy to beat up I think it would be a pretty good rush. Would it be scored an attack run or bomber?
Boo
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So a Beaufighter has a 120mm cannon slung underneath it? Ok, not a 120mm but looks big enough. I'd vote for a Beaufighter and if AH would add a convoy to beat up I think it would be a pretty good rush. Would it be scored an attack run or bomber?
Boo
Beaufighter did it all. Night fighter, Attack, fighter bomber, Torpedo bomber etc. 40-45 in every theater of the war. USAAF guys transitioned from them to 61s at the very end of the war.
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Here the Beua that fairly close to my house...
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3121/2732880932_f997a837c8.jpg?v=0)
And the ultra sexy plane...
(http://cdn.wn.com/pd/cc/98/b3f61e943f136d14d8f46b8b5d0d_grande.jpg)
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I like this story for any of you had doubts about the P-61 in a air to air situation.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/P-614.jpg)
GREAT story! thx