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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: THRASH99 on December 29, 2010, 12:29:00 PM
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Why is it if your an inch off the runway you still get a ditch message? How come it can't be like the WW1 setup? I'm pretty sure if you were an inch off the runway in real life, it would still count as a "successful landing". I'm just wondering why is it in WW1 arena, you can land anywhere on the base, but not in WW2 MA bases, you have to be straight on the runway or some sort of concrete. It should pretty much be if your just off the runway or on the field at least, you should still get landing successful message.
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I agree.. If we're on the field we should get to land it... I have literally skidded right up to the runway with 5 kills and got shafted.
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Been asked for time and time again. The answer has always been (as it should be) that you have to draw the line somewhere. That line has been drawn as "on concrete".
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Been asked for time and time again. The answer has always been (as it should be) that you have to draw the line somewhere. That line has been drawn as "on concrete".
Then why is it for gvs they can be at an enemy spawn, be far from the base, and still land there kills without being on base or concrete? :headscratch:
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This goes back to the old "risk vs reward" argument for me. Like guys wanting free perk planes or perk refunds.
In this "game" there is nothing tangible to gamble on. Except for the loss of a perk plane or missing the runway.
I get enjoyment out of trying to bring a busted up aircraft to a safe landing on some GV bases' twisty, turny concrete area. Sometimes I make it, sometimes not.
If we could just crash bomb anywhere within the perimeter of a field, things would get dull.
I know the anguish of losing kills to a few inches of grass, but it soon passes and I up a new plane.
<S> Melvin
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Bet you want midair refueling to?
not no but HELL NO.
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Bet you want midair refueling to?
not no but HELL NO.
Ok, this isn't modern warfare...stick to subject plz
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Then why is it for gvs they can be at an enemy spawn, be far from the base, and still land there kills without being on base or concrete? :headscratch:
Because GV's are not airplanes.
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Ok, this isn't modern warfare...stick to subject plz
With the way you n00bs keep crying about how you want this and want that :cry. It will be shortly if you kids had your way.
If you want easy mode games. Go play them.
Learn to land your plane right and you wont have this issue.
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Because GV's are not airplanes.
But why can they land successful when most are at enemy spawn? I doesn't make sense why gvs don't have to be near base, and they land perfectly, but planes have to be right on the runway.
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With the way you n00bs keep crying about how you want this and want that :cry. It will be shortly if you kids had your way.
If you want easy mode games. Go play them.
Learn to land your plane right and you wont have this issue.
In some situations, it's not that easy to land perfectly, especially if you have half a wing, even no ailerons and only control of rudder.
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but that's when it's fun to actually land ON the runway :D
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but that's when it's fun to actually land ON the runway :D
Yea...and if have half a wing on landing and you don't make it on the runway, that should still count as a landing.
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In some situations, it's not that easy to land perfectly, especially if you have half a wing, even no ailerons and only control of rudder.
dont use landing gear, that way if you survive, it will count as a sucessful landing.
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but that's when it's fun to actually land ON the runway :D
Bingo :aok
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Yea...and if have half a wing on landing and you don't make it on the runway, that should still count as a landing.
do you have any idea how many pilots/crews died within sight of the runway?
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Yea...and if have half a wing on landing and you don't make it on the runway, that should still count as a landing.
Sorry Thrash but it just isn't going to work out that way. You'd have just as much luck wishing for foo fighters.
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In some situations, it's not that easy to land perfectly, especially if you have half a wing, even no ailerons and only control of rudder.
I guess that's why they invented the parachute.
How long you been playing squeeky?
Did you get caught thinking again or just run here because you did the crash and boom thing again for the thousandth time?
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do you have any idea how many pilots/crews died within sight of the runway?
last tour I think I was in the 50's :devil
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dont use landing gear, that way if you survive, it will count as a sucessful landing.
But why, if you land good on the field somewhere, all you really should do, is end sortie, landing successful.
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But why can they land successful when most are at enemy spawn? I doesn't make sense why gvs don't have to be near base, and they land perfectly, but planes have to be right on the runway.
Ok, here it is real nice and clear:
Ground vehicles are governed by a different set of rules than airplanes - and some of those rules set the conditions for successful "landing". That's it. No mystery here, it's just the way it is. Do you also wish to do away with spawn points and make a GV spawn in his hangar and drive 30mph for an hour to get to the fight, and if after surviving the fight drive another hour back to his base?
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I guess that's why they invented the parachute.
How long you been playing squeeky?
Did you get caught thinking again or just run here because you did the crash and boom thing again for the thousandth time?
3 years, and no it wasn't a crash and boom, was an inch off the runway if you weren't so lazy to read what I started with at the beginning of the topic.
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Not much gets the pulse pounding in this game anymore.
One of the things that does is when you're coming in on short final, oil pressure near 0, fuel near 0 and half a wing missing.
You know you've only got 1 chance to do it right..........
Time to cowboy up and slide this baby in on the runway.
Hop out and head to the O'club for cold drinks and hot broads. (Chicks dig a good crash landing.)
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Ok, here it is real nice and clear:
Ground vehicles are governed by a different set of rules than airplanes - and some of those rules set the conditions for successful "landing". That's it. No mystery here, it's just the way it is. Do you also wish to do away with spawn points and make a GV spawn in his hangar and drive 30mph for an hour to get to the fight, and if after surviving the fight drive another hour back to his base?
So basically what your saying, is you could be across the entire map opposite from you in enemy territory and still land successfully?? :huh How? :headscratch: It doesn't make sense
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But why, if you land good on the field somewhere, all you really should do, is end sortie, landing successful.
if you land with both wheels on the runway or the entire plane on the runway, its a successful landing. but if you land in the dirt, yeah you live, but its not a sucessful landing. its just an OK landing.
is the 737 that lands in the dirt a successful landing at logan airport? or is it one they can walk away from? its definitely not a successful landing. look at it that way!
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Not much gets the pulse pounding in this game anymore.
One of the things that does is when you're coming in on short final, oil pressure near 0, fuel near 0 and half a wing missing.
You know you've only got 1 chance to do it right..........
Time to cowboy up and slide this baby in on the runway.
Hop out and head to the O'club for cold drinks and hot broads. (Chicks dig a good crash landing.)
They do?
*takes laptop to Hooters
I'll let you know how it worked out for me :D
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They do?
*takes laptop to Hooters
I'll let you know how it worked out for me :D
Free wings........ guaranteed. :lol
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I guess that's why they invented the parachute.
How long you been playing squeeky?
Did you get caught thinking again or just run here because you did the crash and boom thing again for the thousandth time?
The parachute will only count as a bailed successfull message, most times it always counts as a ditch.
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So basically what your saying, is you could be across the entire map opposite from you in enemy territory and still land successfully?? :huh How? :headscratch: It doesn't make sense
I doesn't have to make sense. It's a game, and that's one of the rules built into it.
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Take it easy Thrash, it's all good. It does not count as a death, you just do not get your name up in lights when you have 2 or more kills. Some of the most exciting flights I have had involve a torn up aircraft, barely flyable, limping home, deadstick. You put that baby down on the runway and you have a nice sense of accomplishment. I always check the damage message before landing if I have been hit to see if the landing gear is intact, if not, just slide her down the runway wheels up.
As you gain experience and ability you will be glad that things here can be difficult, that is what makes it so much fun.
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if you land with both wheels on the runway or the entire plane on the runway, its a successful landing. but if you land in the dirt, yeah you live, but its not a sucessful landing. its just an OK landing.
is the 737 that lands in the dirt a successful landing at logan airport? or is it one they can walk away from? its definitely not a successful landing. look at it that way!
Ok..lets say this then. Your just flying in the sky, all of a sudden your plane's engine fails, most important rule I heard is to find an empty field or somewhere where you can land it. So you land it in an empty field, why would that not count as a landing, it's better than crashing and blowing up isnt it...?
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So basically what your saying, is you could be across the entire map opposite from you in enemy territory and still land successfully?? :huh How? :headscratch: It doesn't make sense
How long doe it take for a plane to fly home from the enemy base? How long would it take for a tank to drive back? Still makes no sense GV and planes have different rules?
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Some days you're going to have to make a decision. On the one hand, if you can keep it on the runway, you'll get a successful landing but on the other, if you don't, you'll just get a ditch. It's up to you to decide.
Here.
Take a cookie.
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Ok..lets say this then. Your just flying in the sky, all of a sudden your plane's engine fails, most important rule I heard is to find an empty field or somewhere where you can land it. So you land it in an empty field, why would that not count as a landing, it's better than crashing and blowing up isnt it...?
A ditch IS better than crashing and blowing up
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Ditches are BORING
I'd rather die in a new and spectacular fashion :cool:
although there have been times I found myself off the runway and just taxied back onto it. Not many. I think I did it in 2007 once or twice.
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A ditch IS better than crashing and blowing up
Yea, the thing is, what's so much different from a ditch and a landing? You're in your plane, on the field, why can't they be the same? It's not like your a mile from base, then I can understand..
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Yea, the thing is, what's so much different from a ditch and a landing? Your in your plane, on the field, why can't they be the same? It's not like your a mile from base, then I can understand..
Looks like we got a broken record housed by a brick wall. :bolt:
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But you run the risk of stepping in a gopher hole or a sheep print and breaking your ankle taking you off flight status for at least two weeks. Isn't that a bad thing when we need all the cartoon pilots we can muster to fight off the evil axis of animated countries?
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But you run the risk of stepping in a gopher hole or a sheep print and breaking your ankle taking you off flight status for at least two weeks. Isn't that a bad thing when we need all the cartoon pilots we can muster to fight off the evil axis of animated countries?
LOL :lol, all you do is get shot down and up a new plane/character and fight, I'm trying to get the landing sorted out between landing and on ditching on the field, doesn't really change if you're in your plane, on the field and get different messages. Like I said, it's better landing on the field than blowing up and dying, it shouldn't be different.
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it shouldn't be different.
It is though & that is the end of it. Sorry all your going to get is a beating a dead horse logo on this one.
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glad you saw the humor in that
Well, as has been posted before, it's bee addressed in the past and it's been determined that you have to be on the concrete in an aircraft to count as a landing. Everything else is a ditch and it's not likely to change in the near or far future. I suppose you could send htc an email asking about it but I'm pretty sure you've got your answer already.
Now about those foo fighters.. we really need to mount a campaign for those.
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Because it's the rule! Why does 3 of a kind beat a pair? Because it's a rule!
In Aces High the RULE is you must land and stop on the runway to get a successful landing.
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Thrash, <S> Sir.
It is simple, stop on the pavement and it is a landing, stop on the dirt and it is a ditch. Those are the rules sir. It is more difficult to stay on the pavement, so you have a bigger reward for doing so.
As you can see by the replies, everyone seems to understand this and so far no one is supporting your opinion. Pushing your point of view which disagrees with the rules and the opinions expressed by others may invite a vitrolic reply and my alienate you from the rest of the players.
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In some situations, it's not that easy to land perfectly, especially if you have half a wing, even no ailerons and only control of rudder.
You dont like challenges I can see.
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Where's my B.S. flag?
Just an inch, eh?
I can post the screen shot of my succesful, one wing "landing" more than an inch off the runway if you like.
wrongway
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Yea, the thing is, what's so much different from a ditch and a landing? You're in your plane, on the field, why can't they be the same? It's not like your a mile from base, then I can understand..
Quit whinning, it is one of the rules of the game.
Game is already getting to wussified. Off runnway
Is not a sucessful landing. :furious
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I'm trying to get the landing sorted out between landing and on ditching on the field, doesn't really change if you're in your plane, on the field and get different messages....
The landing thing has been sorted out.. you simply have to choose to accept it.
I know the frustration of getting on the ground and having the plane slide ever so much off the runway and getting the ditch message.. when you're out of gas and you can't just move the plane around to end on the runway.
Most likely, once you've surrendered to the notion that the ditching rules aren't going to change, you'll venture to the wishlist forum and post how a fuel truck should go out to your plane and refuel you so you can then taxi to the runway.
Or a tow truck can come out and push you up to the runway.
Or a maintenance crew can come out, reattach necessary gear and functional engine parts so you can then taxi back to the runway.
Been there, done that. After time, you will understand and accept that terminating your flight on the runway is a reward. Fail to earn it, and you get a ditch.
Even if HTC extended the 'successful landing' boundary to be the entire surface area of the base perimeter, somebody will bemoan the fact they missed the perimeter by mere inches.. and it should count as a successful landing.
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by the way showing a Hooters waitress films of you landings and offering to let her come over to try out your joystick can get you slapped and shown the door. Just sayin...
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by the way showing a Hooters waitress films of you landings and offering to let her come over to try out your joystick can get you slapped and shown the door. Just sayin...
You must be doing it wrong. :lol
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I agree.. If we're on the field we should get to land it... I have literally skidded right up to the runway with 5 kills and got shafted.
happened last night 6 kills in a A8, I was shot up from combat and my right gear was stuck up, i landing fine maybe a foot or two off the side about midrunway and got a ditch, makes no sense, any landing you walk away from on an AF should be a successful landing
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You were wheels down and couldn't land on the runway? Sounds like pilot error to me, no rule change required.
Wheels up landing and slid off the runway? sounds like pilot error too
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Yea, the thing is, what's so much different from a ditch and a landing? You're in your plane, on the field, why can't they be the same? It's not like your a mile from base, then I can understand..
If they aren't that much different, why are you fighting tooth and nail for it to be changed? Line had been drawn, It'd just be redundant to say more.
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Why are you making this more difficult, you recieved a ditch and less perks for the kills. Or did you miss you name in lights? Next time aim for the main pad. Lots of concrete there.
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hem even in 1944 the allied fighter squadrons flew from more grass runways than concrete runways. As i believe that in war grass runways where easier and quiker to repair after bombing. And concrete runways where used for Medium to Heavy Bombers for Takeoff.
Thats why i Have allways believed the arenas should have a mix of Grass and Concrete runways as this was the case in WW2. And in the D/A where The Furball is as you can Only fly fighters from the Furball Bases then they should Be grass runways as they where more common for allied and axis front line fighters. OH and Grass runways where also pefered for if a Fighter Had to land wheels up then the impact was not so sever as a skilled pilot could land a damaged spit say for example wheels up and there be small minor airframe damage which could be repaired on the base. thus in 5 days say they have a Spit thats fully repaired and can be given to a new pilot that can get it shot down and have little or no worry as it was second hand :)
But Grass runways i belive should be introduced for Small bases and fighter bases. :)
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but that's when it's fun to actually land ON the runway :D
Not just that. Its the entire point.
I think a better idea would be for any aircraft to land on anything but a runway or prepared landing area (Should HTC ever decided to go with historical type landing strips) The plane should suffer damage just as it might if it landed on soft earth. And that damages should be transfered to the lext time you try to take off. Up to and including not allowing that plane type being available to you the next time you try to take off.
With GVs. You cant "just land anywhere" unless there are no enemies in the vicinity.
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Looks like we got a broken record housed by a brick wall. :bolt:
And thick wall at that.
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You must be doing it wrong. :lol
This surprises anybody around here? :lol
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Not just that. Its the entire point.
I think a better idea would be for any aircraft to land on anything but a runway or prepared landing area (Should HTC ever decided to go with historical type landing strips) The plane should suffer damage just as it might if it landed on soft earth. And that damages should be transfered to the lext time you try to take off. Up to and including not allowing that plane type being available to you the next time you try to take off.
With GVs. You cant "just land anywhere" unless there are no enemies in the vicinity.
I know a place that occasionally has dirt fields ;)
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Next time I skid a F-4U with half a wing, but still have both flaps, and a bad guy on my 6, into the GV hanger & land successfully, I hope I record it. I skidded short on grass right before the hanger. I Tried it several times. Only made it once with a tore-up plane. It makes you feel great. If it was easy, how good will you feel about your accomplishment? Not much I bet. We definitely live in the Me Me gimme gimme generation. I know it's irritating. All of us have done it. I just learned to not care about things out of my control. Care about things you can effect. Then do your best. :old: :aok
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Rules are rules. There has to be something to shoot for. Everyone is covered by the same rules.
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Oh good Lord! Landing successful is way overrated! You don't "lose" kills by not having a successful landing, the kills are still recorded as far as i know! Only thing you lose is the SYSTEM beaming your name for all to see, well and perk bonus i think.
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This is still going? :lol
I think as long as you land on any land - or water for that matter, your
"ACEDUDE landed two kills in a P-51D of ACEDUDE's KILLADOGGGZ"
message should be proudly broadcasted for everyone to see and respect your cartoon skillz. :banana:
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I guess that's why they invented the parachute.
How long you been playing squeeky?
Did you get caught thinking again or just run here because you did the crash and boom thing again for the thousandth time?
THRASH99 is the guy that keeps on trying to get the Spitfire Mk XIV removed from the game because he has a hard time fighting them. Are you not surprised he wants to make the game easier for himself?
ack-ack
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Just be glad the "line" wasn't drawn to where you have to taxi into the hanger or main pad for a successful landing.
My favorites are when you are pilot wounded and have to wait until you can see again to know if you are on the runway. with no motor.
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I'm more bothered by the fact that you can bring your bullet-riddled, pilot-wounded 262 in with one engine dead and the other smoking, smack down on on the field so hard you lose both wings and the tail, skid to a halt ruining a few hundred feet of runway surface in the process, and still call it a "successful landing" and keep your perks just because the smoldering wreckage your maimed pilot was pried out of happened to be on pavement.
But then, it is a game.
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I'm more bothered by the fact that you can bring your bullet-riddled, pilot-wounded 262 in with one engine dead and the other smoking, smack down on on the field so hard you lose both wings and the tail, skid to a halt ruining a few hundred feet of runway surface in the process, and still call it a "successful landing" and keep your perks just because the smoldering wreckage your maimed pilot was pried out of happened to be on pavement.
This is my patented jet landing. Skidding and tearing your wings off on the ground slow ya down faster.
Gear is for rearms. NES Generation FTW. :rock
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Can you cash the points in for fabulous prizes and a trip for two to Vegas? Then Who TF cares? :rofl Its just like golf...."I hate these sandtraps....they are too hard and the superintendent doesnt manage them well". THEN STOP HITTING INTO THE SAND TRAPS!!!
V/r
Change "Mr Vegas" Up
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This game has been dumbed down too much already.
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Well I already brought this topic up in october I belive, by me. (ohh the flaming I got, at least I got my sheep back)
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This game has been dumbed down too much already.
For example?
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For example?
50% base capture
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50% base capture
Oh please, That's not "being dumbed down". It's just more or less back to the level we had for years but the last 4 tours - and you know that this increased difficulty was not being intended by HTC.
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50% base capture
To be adjusted with time? I'm sure they'll bump it up to 78 or 82% or so, in the future.