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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: asleep1 on January 02, 2011, 01:21:10 PM
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Why not restrict cross country communications and lock out country changes for 30 days to help ease the increase of "spying" that goes on in the late war arena. I am really getting tired of working together with a good group and having ourselves organized to make captures only to have it thwarted by obvious spying in the game. Those that cant get organized or play well have resorted to this type of action to derail another country's gains. I believe if a player changes contries he should not be able to change again for thirty days. Also, restrict cross country communication to help disrupt the guys that set up new 2 week accounts to spy with. This is a game and we have several talented people that enjoy the thrill of tactics and skill. Spying (another word for cheating) is not a respectable endeavor for any player to engage in and should be made harder to do. Another need to help prevent this is all players in a squad should not be allowed to change their country unless the squad as a whole changes. I know I was killed on a mission recently by a squad member that is normally rook, he was bishop that day and his squaddies were rook. Really need to address this issue.
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INteresting. :lol
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another spyINg thread?
it's my 14.95, why can't i spy in peace?
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I R DA SPY!!!
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Just posted this guys for those of us that enjoy being able to organize and work toward a goal.
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Howdy asleep1, how ya been?
Looks like you picked a doozy of a topic for your first post. I hope you have flame retardant pants on bud.
<S> Melvin
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Just posted this guys for those of us that enjoy being able to organize and work toward a goal.
You can't stop it....just like us furballers cant stop you toolshedders.....just saying
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Why not restrict cross country communications and lock out country changes for 30 days to help ease the increase of "spying" that goes on in the late war arena. I am really getting tired of working together with a good group and having ourselves organized to make captures only to have it thwarted by obvious spying in the game. Those that cant get organized or play well have resorted to this type of action to derail another country's gains. I believe if a player changes contries he should not be able to change again for thirty days. Also, restrict cross country communication to help disrupt the guys that set up new 2 week accounts to spy with. This is a game and we have several talented people that enjoy the thrill of tactics and skill. Spying (another word for cheating) is not a respectable endeavor for any player to engage in and should be made harder to do. Another need to help prevent this is all players in a squad should not be allowed to change their country unless the squad as a whole changes. I know I was killed on a mission recently by a squad member that is normally rook, he was bishop that day and his squaddies were rook. Really need to address this issue.
This would fix the "balancing" system also! As most peeps who just want to fight the hoard would leave the game :aok
JUGgler
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Posting things on this board that have been posted a million times before rarely end up in a change.
IN
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Why not restrict cross country communications and lock out country changes for 30 days to help ease the increase of "spying" that goes on in the late war arena. I am really getting tired of working together with a good group and having ourselves organized to make captures only to have it thwarted by obvious spying in the game. Those that cant get organized or play well have resorted to this type of action to derail another country's gains. I believe if a player changes contries he should not be able to change again for thirty days. Also, restrict cross country communication to help disrupt the guys that set up new 2 week accounts to spy with. This is a game and we have several talented people that enjoy the thrill of tactics and skill. Spying (another word for cheating) is not a respectable endeavor for any player to engage in and should be made harder to do. Another need to help prevent this is all players in a squad should not be allowed to change their country unless the squad as a whole changes. I know I was killed on a mission recently by a squad member that is normally rook, he was bishop that day and his squaddies were rook. Really need to address this issue.
man o man this is some good stuff, wish i could have thought of it 1st
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The country change limit needs to be reduced, especially in the off hours arena.
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To be fair, he's new to the forum. I do agree though. It would be nice to NOT see someone driving our carrier out into the middle of nowhere to go deep sea diving. :old:
Just because the topic has been brought up before doesn't mean that a new spin on the subject can lead to a good change......Just like the light bulb. We already had them, why work on them still? New ideas = better things. ;)
Alas, my words will fall on deaf ears as this seems to be the troll forum. But I shall wear my suit of armor and swing the sword away until somebody's head gets cut off :D
flame on :cheers:
EDIT: And yeah yeah yeah "Just get higher ranking and take the carrier away from them" - yeah well I'm sorry but what if I happen to have other things in my life other than completely filling my cockpit with Doritos and Mt. Dew bottles for 139043097430983274 hours. Call on another pilot to do it? They seem to not really care because they're too busy balling fur everywhere :P :airplane:
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Im just gonna sit back on this one. :cheers:
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Why not restrict cross country communications and lock out country changes for 30 days to help ease the increase of "spying" that goes on in the late war arena. I am really getting tired of working together with a good group and having ourselves organized to make captures only to have it thwarted by obvious spying in the game. Those that cant get organized or play well have resorted to this type of action to derail another country's gains. I believe if a player changes contries he should not be able to change again for thirty days. Also, restrict cross country communication to help disrupt the guys that set up new 2 week accounts to spy with. This is a game and we have several talented people that enjoy the thrill of tactics and skill. Spying (another word for cheating) is not a respectable endeavor for any player to engage in and should be made harder to do. Another need to help prevent this is all players in a squad should not be allowed to change their country unless the squad as a whole changes. I know I was killed on a mission recently by a squad member that is normally rook, he was bishop that day and his squaddies were rook. Really need to address this issue.
There is a lot less spying going on than you think asleep1 (whats your in-game name?) What many think is spying is really just paying attention to the map and knowing the game. Goons are easily found because MOST people fly them in a strait line from their base to the target base. Fly along that line and "Tharrrr she blows!!!". The same goes for NOE attacks. Knowing the terrain makes it easy to pick which track I would take, so that is where I'd look.
Yes there is some spying going on by some people who thinks its important to win the war.... oops, sorry didn't mean you :D
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More myth than fact I am afraid. It happens though you may as well just accept it.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwPRRSiUWzQ&feature=email
you cant stop spying just like you cant keep fuddy duddy from not hunting
wabbits...........hhhhhhhaaaa aaaaa
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The Bish are the best spies, they have eyes and ears IN your PC
:noid
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Why not restrict cross country communications and lock out country changes for 30 days to help ease the increase of "spying" that goes on in the late war arena. I am really getting tired of working together with a good group and having ourselves organized to make captures only to have it thwarted by obvious spying in the game. Those that cant get organized or play well have resorted to this type of action to derail another country's gains. I believe if a player changes contries he should not be able to change again for thirty days. Also, restrict cross country communication to help disrupt the guys that set up new 2 week accounts to spy with. This is a game and we have several talented people that enjoy the thrill of tactics and skill. Spying (another word for cheating) is not a respectable endeavor for any player to engage in and should be made harder to do. Another need to help prevent this is all players in a squad should not be allowed to change their country unless the squad as a whole changes. I know I was killed on a mission recently by a squad member that is normally rook, he was bishop that day and his squaddies were rook. Really need to address this issue.
99.99% of the time missions or base captures are screwed up because the attackers have no clue. Congratulations, you're now a member of the "99.99% Club".
ack-ack
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getting rid of cross country comms is a horrible idea one of the coolist things in AH is the ability to talk with the person you just had a knock down drag out fight with....besides my most favorite is when the guy you just sent to the tower with his two or three buddies wont be able to talk to me and call me a cheater the best complement you can get :-)
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Those suggestions would do far more harm to the game than whatever perceived/imagined threat they were designed to stop.
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99.99% of the time missions or base captures are screwed up because the attackers have no clue. Congratulations, you're now a member of the "99.99% Club".
ack-ack
Ack-Ack, Are you the .1 % of the players who actually know how to play the game..
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Ack-Ack, Are you the .1 % of the players who actually know how to play the game..
Awww precious. Someones getting a valentine this year. ;)
That das muppet squad changes countries like they change diapers. Must be spies! :uhoh
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Ack-Ack, Are you the .1 % of the players who actually know how to play the game..
Can we make it .01% so the math works? Thx. :D
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Can we make it .01% so the math works? Thx. :D
Darn Grizz! You got me on that one. :salute
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...Just like the light bulb. We already had them, why work on them still? New ideas = better things. ;)
I like the light bulbs we have thank you. don't like the curly pigtail light bulbs. :x
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<---00Banshee7, Elite Spy
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getting rid of cross country comms is a horrible idea one of the coolist things in AH is the ability to talk with the person you just had a knock down drag out fight with....besides my most favorite is when the guy you just sent to the tower with his two or three buddies wont be able to talk to me and call me a cheater the best complement you can get :-)
I'd love to be called a cheaterer one day :frown:
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you cant stop spying just like you cant keep fuddy duddy from not hunting
wabbits...........hhhhhhhaaaa aaaaa
[/quote]Fudgums... You huntin wabbits again?!!
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Ack-Ack, Are you the .1 % of the players who actually know how to play the game..
Maybe you should re-read the post.
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Maybe you should re-read the post.
I think maybe I should . :salute
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dude if you have a problem with spying just put your spy glasses on,they are under your seat or in the glove compartment. Anyways when you do see a spy the will glow in rainbow colors, thats when you go in for the kill
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There is a lot less spying going on than you think asleep1 (whats your in-game name?) What many think is spying is really just paying attention to the map and knowing the game. Goons are easily found because MOST people fly them in a strait line from their base to the target base. Fly along that line and "Tharrrr she blows!!!". The same goes for NOE attacks. Knowing the terrain makes it easy to pick which track I would take, so that is where I'd look.
Yes there is some spying going on by some people who thinks its important to win the war.... oops, sorry didn't mean you :D
What he said (http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e188/jjdaking0/arrow_up.gif)
About a week ago I was looking for something to do on the map. I had just ended a flight in a fight that turned into a rout in favor of my side (knights) And didnt feel like going back to fight over what little scraps that were going to be left.
As I looked around I noticed a large darbar several sectors to the southeast of where anything was going on. typicall Horde deciding to go after undefended bases far enough away from any other fight that few if any would normally notice before it was too late. Again. Typical of todays horde mentality.
There were two bases that could have possibly been targets. One directly south from where any other fight was going on and which tactically would have made more sense. in saving their own base we were attacking while possibly gaining one of their own. Given the location of our forces to the north. But would be more difficult to achieve. The other possibility was farther to the south and away from the knits main body of activity thus less likely to be noticed because most people only keep their dar zoomed into a few sectors square. This one would be the easier to take. but would have acheived little more then trading away one of their bases for one of ours.
There was a third possibility that I wont even bother mentioning because few "mishun" planners have shown any capability of depth of thought to even attempt such a thing. And because of this I quickly counted it out.
I upped on the runway at the harder base because that was the one that made more sense to attack. Then got to thinking. "Naaa. this would make too much sense and the other base should be too much easier to take. Having supreme confidence in human nature to choose to make the easy route over the right one. I quickly ended mission and reupped at the southern base and immediately lifted off.
No sooner had I done this then that bases darbar started flashing
Not wanting to alert the incoming AC of my presence I stayed low and off dar and quickly typed out a radio message about the impending attack.
Knowing that it might take a while for any friendlies to respond. IF any responded at all. I knew that my only chance I was going ot have if I were to have one at all of preventing a base capture before help arrived was going ot be in finding and killing the goons before the incomming enemies found me.
So I quickly opened the map again and zoomed into find out where the town was and very quickly deducted the probable line of approach.
At this point Im scanning the skies to see if I could see any AC knowing that for the base to be flashing that quickly. They wouldnt have a ton of alt.
Just as I suspected I see itty bitty dots in the air just around 7-8K. So again not wanting to be noticed I stayed as low to the ground as possible and proceeded to the most likely avenue of C-47 approach.
By then my calls were answered and another friendly had upped (I forget who) and he must have been thinking along the same lines because he was headed in the same general direction as I was on a slightly more direct route.
Soon I heard him call out that he had spotted a goon. almost immediately I spotted that one and two more which we very quickly eliminated with extreme prejudice.
Staying relatively low we both headed towards the enemy base where the attack originated from where we each killed 1-2 more goons before we ourselves were overwhelmed. But by then. Other friendlies had started to respond And after some time the attack was beaten back.
Now the point of all this is simple. To someone on the opposing force it might be easy to think that some kind of spy were involved because both myself and the other friendly managed to be exactly to where the goons were. But really all that happened was deductive reasoning was applied against a rather simplistic plan which is so typical in the game that its easy to predict with almost absolute certainty whats going to unfold, how,where and from what direction.
Not hard to defeat if someone is paying attention and not in the middle of something else when its noticed.
Funny thing is. They used enough planes to take two bases and in the end. the end result was -1 as not only didnt they manage to keep their base in the north. but they accomplished nothing in the south other then wasted effort.
End result -1
One of these days we are going to have to discuss strategy and tactics as it relates to the larger map picture in the game
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Excellent post.
I can't even count the amount of times I have done the same thing. Fire up the La-7 ... stay NOE ... kill all the goons ... watch the wind deflate from their sails and if I am lucky enough, someone will turn back and try to help the goon drivers screaming over vox/channel for help.
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I suppose you could combine this thread with the one about the hordes. As a DM i enjoy switching sides for multiple reasons such as fighting against the massive horde of locusts that ravage everything in their path. Also i think i have made some good friends on all 3 countries, i dont know if i would be able to go 30 days without talking to my buds, i would probably cry myself to sleep at night in the fetal position thinking they had forgotten about me LOL :x I enjoy switching sides to the team with the least numbers because you can always assure a good fight without a sausagefest fighting your own people for a kill.
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I suppose you could combine this thread with the one about the hordes. As a DM i enjoy switching sides for multiple reasons such as fighting against the massive horde of locusts that ravage everything in their path. Also i think i have made some good friends on all 3 countries, i dont know if i would be able to go 30 days without talking to my buds, i would probably cry myself to sleep at night in the fetal position thinking they had forgotten about me LOL :x I enjoy switching sides to the team with the least numbers because you can always assure a good fight without a sausagefest fighting your own people for a kill.
thought the only way you were able to go to sleep was curled up in the fetal postion crying?
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Dmgod your opinion holds no merit here, you were weak and took time off of the game, so SILENCE when daddy is talkin :devil
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:lol
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Why not restrict cross country communications and lock out country changes for 30 days to help ease the increase of "spying" that goes on in the late war arena. I am really getting tired of working together with a good group and having ourselves organized to make captures only to have it thwarted by obvious spying in the game. Those that cant get organized or play well have resorted to this type of action to derail another country's gains. I believe if a player changes contries he should not be able to change again for thirty days. Also, restrict cross country communication to help disrupt the guys that set up new 2 week accounts to spy with. This is a game and we have several talented people that enjoy the thrill of tactics and skill. Spying (another word for cheating) is not a respectable endeavor for any player to engage in and should be made harder to do. Another need to help prevent this is all players in a squad should not be allowed to change their country unless the squad as a whole changes. I know I was killed on a mission recently by a squad member that is normally rook, he was bishop that day and his squaddies were rook. Really need to address this issue.
So someone is spying on your hording?
I think the issue that needs to be addressed may lay on your end. It's a game. :)
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Gonna get flamed here but what the heck...
The issue that asleep1 is talking about happened the other night. Asleep1 is a good guy and if anyone has noticed has not chimed in on this thread to heat people up or to increase the tempers. He has too much class for that. He was only stating an occurance that had happened to him where a squad was without a doubt giving information between country lines.
We were preparing to run a mission into a base and Asleep1 had taken the initiative to have a goon on station prior to the base take. He had parked the goon outside of the dar ring to prevent the base from flashing. While on the ground he see's a spitfire come from the base (note: the heading was not in the path of another base which could make for confusion of his intentions) and does a direct path to his goon as if the spit driver had a divining rod on the cowl. When the spit driver killed the goon we looked at the roster to learn more of the pilot and we see that there are 2 members of the squad online, one on Rook and one flying Bish.
Notice that I did not use the word spying here and I will not. Yep, everyone is entitled to spend their game dollars how they see fit but come on! I for one enjoy taking bases. Call it a horde, I call it using the principle of war called "Mass" and "Offensive". I also agree that since this is a time period simulation game and that in real life there were spies and this is a way that could be mimicked but in real life if a spy was caught what happened to them? It seems we may have caught one and until Hi-Tech allows in game gallows we only have the message forum for council.
Enough of my rambling.
And now back to your regularly scheduled flaming.
-Climber
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Im just gonna sit back on this one. :cheers:
NO WAY!! :huh :headscratch: :salute
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This one time at Band Camp, I upped a 190A-8 with rockets to hunt for high buffs over our strats. Out of nowhere comes a NOE raid (mind you, this base is at least 5 whole grids from nearest enemy base) and being still very low, I spot one goon trying to land way back. I fire a rocket at him as he touches down. BOOM. :rofl Meanwhile there are 7 or 8 of them chasing or trying to HO me, while the rest are plowing down the town. Overshoot the remaining goon with fire coming from every direction. Reverse and light him up before I get torched. :rofl
There was no way someone was going to up a goon for another try, now that the jig was up. They wiped out the town and most of the base but couldn't seal the deal with their two goons dead. It was one of those times I wish I tuned 200, because there must have been a "SPY!" accusation in there somewhere. :noid
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ive been a knight for three years. yesterday i decided to go rook and attack the knights. i had a blast. i killed many w/o dieing (till lazy got me with his la when i went to save a doomed goon {should have kept going home darn it.}) and helped roll some bases. some squaddies showed up and i went back to the knights to do the same thing. i did not spy (tho i was pmed by a guy who thought i was suspicious :lol) i just had fun. fun we all can have with the ability to change sides.
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We were preparing to run a mission into a base and Asleep1 had taken the initiative to have a goon on station prior to the base take. He had parked the goon outside of the dar ring to prevent the base from flashing. While on the ground he see's a spitfire come from the base (note: the heading was not in the path of another base which could make for confusion of his intentions) and does a direct path to his goon as if the spit driver had a divining rod on the cowl. When the spit driver killed the goon we looked at the roster to learn more of the pilot and we see that there are 2 members of the squad online, one on Rook and one flying Bish.
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Was the other fella in your area or just on your side. Either way it does not mean anyone was spying. Folks who have been around awhile know to look off in so called unexpected directions for a goon.
It is not unusual for our Squad to be on all three sides. We don't do it for spying though. Most of us are so old we just can't change over as quick as them young whippersnappers. The young ones in our Squad have troubles changing because they forgot how. The young ones in our Squad are not too bright.... I mean they joined us didn't they? :D
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Shuffler it was too big of a coincidence for it to not feel like something was amiss. We hadn't even started to show a dar at the base yet. The goon was way ahead of the attack formation.
Sure it could still be a coincidence but when the spit driver was pm'd and asked how he came by the goon he even went as far to say he was in a different aircraft. Obviously hiding something. If you are gonna spy at least have some skill about it. This guy was a moron about it.
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All a guy has to do is dial a friends number on a cell phone and you have in game comms. Nothing HTC could do to prevent it.
If a person is commited to passing along information to another person playing the same game for a different team then it is simply going to happen.
I suggest you put at least as much emphasis on simply enjoying the game as you do in winning a capture or war. If you do this then the time you spend is still worthwhile, even if others are intent on thwarting your gains.
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Shuffler it was too big of a coincidence for it to not feel like something was amiss. We hadn't even started to show a dar at the base yet. The goon was way ahead of the attack formation.
Sure it could still be a coincidence but when the spit driver was pm'd and asked how he came by the goon he even went as far to say he was in a different aircraft. Obviously hiding something. If you are gonna spy at least have some skill about it. This guy was a moron about it.
But the coincidence may just be a asumption (<< misspelled so mods don't change it) on your part.
You PM'd the guy? Did you PM the guy in the spit? Are you sure?
I only ask as some folks seem to think there are spies at work when in actuality there are none. I'm not saying it doesn't happen.
You ascertain that your group was not in the dar ring. Were they making a darbar in that sector? There are several things that can give away the other sides movements.
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sounds like one of the very few genuine cases to me. had this once last year, 2 NOE missions in a row busted - planes flying on a direct heading to us. same guys both times. there was only 4 or 5 of us on, we must have pissed someone off earlier I guess. :rolleyes: I'd forgotten who it was by the next time I logged in.
someone in our squad receives a pm with spy info at least once a month. despite the fact that we never use it or pass it on, and tell the spy that. I usually go further and reply to the spy on 200. publicly name and shame the spy is the best and only thing you can do. but only if you're sure who it is.
now the other 99.9%. last night I had several players on country saying I was a spy trying to sink our CV by not evading buffs. actually I was in command of it after it sunk for the 8" guns and then for some reason I was still in command after it respawned (thought u got kicked from command when it respawns - bug?). no one could see who was commanding it (definitely a bug) so the accusations started flying.
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sounds like one of the very few genuine cases to me. had this once last year, 2 NOE missions in a row busted - planes flying on a direct heading to us. same guys both times. there was only 4 or 5 of us on, we must have pissed someone off earlier I guess. :rolleyes: I'd forgotten who it was by the next time I logged in.
someone in our squad receives a pm with spy info at least once a month. despite the fact that we never use it or pass it on, and tell the spy that. I usually go further and reply to the spy on 200. publicly name and shame the spy is the best and only thing you can do.
now the other 99.9%. last night I had several players on country saying I was a spy trying to sink our CV by not evading buffs. actually I was in command of it after it sunk for the 8" guns and then for some reason I was still in command after it respawned (thought u got kicked from command when it respawns - bug?). no one could see who was commanding it (definitely a bug) so the accusations started flying.
not surprising. :lol
can i take this moment to say cheaters are the lamest of the bunch.
death to cheaters :devil
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I have received exactly 2 PMs with info about something going down on the other side. They were from different people. I announced on 200 that someone in a mission (NSEW) was trying to pass info to me on their whereabouts.
Both times folks in those missions thanked me. Both times no one on the side I was on asked what the info was.
There are far more good folks on than most think.
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Im just gonna sit back on this one. :cheers:
finally took ur meds huh! :salute
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Enough guys! Did not mean to start up an idiotfest. Just thought there were more folks with a little more self-respect and integrity than this. I was wrong.
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Enough guys! Did not mean to start up an idiotfest. Just thought there were more folks with a little more self-respect and integrity than this. I was wrong.
So telling you that
- there is less spying than usually is being claimed
- that shutting down cross-country communication and greatly restricting side switching is not hurting any actual "spies" but only the game community as a whole
is having no integrity?
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Where are the educated folks forum?????? I am on the wrong forum here.
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Where are the educated folks forum?????? I am on the wrong forum here.
Is it that hard to answer a question? ;)
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Its only spying if you have something to hide................ :cry
:noid
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Where are the educated folks forum?????? I am on the wrong forum here.
:rofl
First thread and you got flamed, now your calling everyone ignorant?
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Where are the educated folks forum?????? I am on the wrong forum here.
they spell spies as 5p13zzz.... don't worry they don't like them either.....
.... oh and they ride in a short yellow bus with a picture of a cartoonified Benedict Arnold with a circle and a diagonal line through it.....
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Where are the educated folks forum?????? I am on the wrong forum here.
This is the educated folks forum..... and it looks as though you are on the wrong forum.
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U can change country?? WTF?
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they spell spies as 5p13zzz.... don't worry they don't like them either.....
.... oh and they ride in a short yellow bus with a picture of a cartoonified Benedict Arnold with a circle and a diagonal line through it.....
I want what your smokin Ardy!!! Cartoonfied Benedict Arnold Thats classic LOL.....
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Dmgod your opinion holds no merit here, you were weak and took time off of the game, so SILENCE when daddy is talkin :devil
Mcbrezzy you broke my heart :cry
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A few years back I was flying knight heading to a Rook field and saw a Rook NOE mission heading in the direction of a Bishop field that was just a short distance across the water. I PM'd a friend that was flying on the Bishop country at the time and told him the Missions location. Is this spying?
Lambo
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A few years back I was flying knight heading to a Rook field and saw a Rook NOE mission heading in the direction of a Bishop field that was just a short distance across the water. I PM'd a friend that was flying on the Bishop country at the time and told him the Missions location. Is this spying?
Lambo
Oh hell, I've seen missions headed from one enemy country to the other and warned the country about to be attacked right on 200 a few times.
More often then not. My warnings have been ignored. LOL
Foolish mortals.
If you ever see me saying there is a mission. there is a mission.
Course I may have ulterior motives for letting you know ;)
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Why not restrict cross country communications and lock out country changes for 30 days to help ease the increase of "spying" that goes on in the late war arena. I am really getting tired of working together with a good group and having ourselves organized to make captures only to have it thwarted by obvious spying in the game. Those that cant get organized or play well have resorted to this type of action to derail another country's gains. I believe if a player changes contries he should not be able to change again for thirty days. Also, restrict cross country communication to help disrupt the guys that set up new 2 week accounts to spy with. This is a game and we have several talented people that enjoy the thrill of tactics and skill. Spying (another word for cheating) is not a respectable endeavor for any player to engage in and should be made harder to do. Another need to help prevent this is all players in a squad should not be allowed to change their country unless the squad as a whole changes. I know I was killed on a mission recently by a squad member that is normally rook, he was bishop that day and his squaddies were rook. Really need to address this issue.
and shades accounts are better?
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A few years back I was flying knight heading to a Rook field and saw a Rook NOE mission heading in the direction of a Bishop field that was just a short distance across the water. I PM'd a friend that was flying on the Bishop country at the time and told him the Missions location. Is this spying?
Lambo
Sounds ok to me lambo. The sick individuals take info that is only available in country and spread it to another country with the sole intent of ruining another group of individuals fun. breaking the code of moral conduct and sabotaging gameplay.
Defecting may result in disgust
Treason results in death
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This gives me an idea.
Erect a gallows at the country strat. People caught will be hung and the only thing they can do in game for a week is log on and see the strat from their 'hung' perspective. They can't die they can just hang there swaying in the breeze and watching the text buffer. That'll show em :devil
On a serious note. No matter what anybody says, does, requests, demands, or whines about it's still going to happen. 'Right' or 'Wrong' aside people who do it are very low grade individuals in my book.
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Is this spying?
yes of course it is. duh.
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A few years back I was flying knight heading to a Rook field and saw a Rook NOE mission heading in the direction of a Bishop field that was just a short distance across the water. I PM'd a friend that was flying on the Bishop country at the time and told him the Missions location. Is this spying?
Lambo
If it doesn't concern your side, technically it's spying. But then this is just a game, so who cares? People get way to bent out of shape over the stupidest things...
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So telling you that
- there is less spying than usually is being claimed
- that shutting down cross-country communication and greatly restricting side switching is not hurting any actual "spies" but only the game community as a whole
is having no integrity?
- there is less spying than usually is being claimed [Citation Needed]
- that shutting down cross-country communication and greatly restricting side switching is not hurting any actual "spies" but only the game community as a whole [Citation Needed]
PROVE please.
Actual proof, not antecdotal, guessing, spitballing, wondering, pondering, etc.
Use all the charts, graphs, etc. you need...but prove those statements.
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Because if I can't switch sides to find a fight, I log off.
If I couldn't have friendly chat or banter with the opposing side, the game would lose a lot of its appeal to me.
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Because if I can't switch sides to find a fight, I log off.
If I couldn't have friendly chat or banter with the opposing side, the game would lose a lot of its appeal to me.
A & B) Not exactly the rest of the people in the game's problem
B) Use 200
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- there is less spying than usually is being claimed [Citation Needed]
- that shutting down cross-country communication and greatly restricting side switching is not hurting any actual "spies" but only the game community as a whole [Citation Needed]
PROVE please.
Actual proof, not antecdotal, guessing, spitballing, wondering, pondering, etc.
Use all the charts, graphs, etc. you need...but prove those statements.
Why don't you prove them to be false? Oh wait, you can't.
ack-ack
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PROVE please.
Actual proof, not antecdotal, guessing, spitballing, wondering, pondering, etc.
logically impossible. this is a real world problem so any attempt to model it will use observation/evidence. therefore there is no formal proof for it.
these are theories, lets hear yours.
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PROVE please.
How about a sworn affidavit?
I solemnly swear, that while I do change sides in order to find better fights (ie. more red guys than green),
I never give away info that may effect the side I have just left. CV positions will never be disclosed by this
individual as he prefers CVs to be active. I have never used cross country comms to give info on the country I'm flying for.
Signed newz this 4th day Jan 2011.
B) Use 200
I'd rather not see 200 filled with a bunch of folks saying "hey how u doing man?", "good how bout u" "did u watch
the hockey game last night?" ect. There's enough spam on 200 already.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkMuXhHd4ak (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkMuXhHd4ak)
:noid :noid :noid :noid :noid
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logically impossible. this is a real world problem so any attempt to model it will use observation/evidence. therefore there is no formal proof for it.
these are theories, lets hear yours.
Your asking the wrong guy. Ask the person who made the matter of fact statements in the first place. I'm still waiting for that matter of fact statement backed up proof, personally. On the other hand, thank you for stating that is is indeed a problem.
<<<I'd rather not see 200 filled with a bunch of folks saying "hey how u doing man?", "good how bout u" "did u watch
the hockey game last night?" ect. There's enough spam on 200 already.>>>
THAT would be a far more refreshing thing to see on 200 than the high school and college kid incessant testosterone rants that exist on 200 now, now wouldn't it?
ROX
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I really like to use 200 to chat with guys that I like who are on other countries. It's great for discussing fights and planes and beer and all sorts of stuff. What else should it be used for if not that?
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Your asking the wrong guy. Ask the person who made the matter of fact statements in the first place. I'm still waiting for that matter of fact statement backed up proof, personally. On the other hand, thank you for stating that is is indeed a problem.
ROX
IIRC the person you are refering to is named HiJack or LoTeck or something. I think he has something to do with this game company. :noid
How about a sworn affidavit?
I solemnly swear, that while I do change sides in order to find better fights (ie. more red guys than green),
I never give away info that may effect the side I have just left. CV positions will never be disclosed by this
individual as he prefers CVs to be active. I have never used cross country comms to give info on the country I'm flying for.
Signed newz this 4th day Jan 2011.
I too will sign the above affidavit.
wrongway
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I really like to use 200 to chat with guys that I like who are on other countries. It's great for discussing fights and planes and beer and all sorts of stuff. What else should it be used for if not that?
you like guys???? :D
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OMG Another Spies thread. I could care less about spies, spying, spam, spam eggs and spam,
spam, spam, spam spam. The wonderful spam.
<S> Oz
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another fav of mine is sitting in a SB waiting for the task group to enter the arc of the 8" gun, listening to the raging paranoia on range vox:
"why isnt the SB firing at the CV!"
"must be a spy!"
"they should put icons on SBs so we can tell who the spies are!"
"whos a spy?"
"the guy in the SB"
"really? HT should do something about this!"
etc. etc.
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another fav of mine is sitting in a SB waiting for the task group to enter the arc of the 8" gun, listening to the raging paranoia on range vox:
"why isnt the SB firing at the CV!"
"must be a spy!"
"they should put icons on SBs so we can tell who the spies are!"
"whos a spy?"
"the guy in the SB"
"really? HT should do something about this!"
etc. etc.
And what's so sad, is I've heard those exact same lines used! From all three countries
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you like guys???? :D
Only the really cute ones, like Silat.
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A & B) Not exactly the rest of the people in the game's problem
B) Use 200
A If there are 200 on one side and the other 2 sides have 10 each... it is everyone's problem.
B Those wanting to spy can use 200 to pass info with a few code words
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another fav of mine is sitting in a SB waiting for the task group to enter the arc of the 8" gun, listening to the raging paranoia on range vox:
"why isnt the SB firing at the CV!"
"must be a spy!"
"they should put icons on SBs so we can tell who the spies are!"
"whos a spy?"
"the guy in the SB"
"really? HT should do something about this!"
etc. etc.
This was from the MW arena sometime back. I had switched sides because the Rookies were the low man on the totem pole and was flying with SKAlpo when this little gem on the radio happened. What makes it even funnier is that during this conversation I just cleared a bandit off one of these guys' six and the other guy was off to my port side about 2,000 yards away. At first I thought they were joking but it became quite clear they were rather serious.
(http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm94/Ack-Ack/th_ahss43.jpg?t=1294185540) (http://s294.photobucket.com/albums/mm94/Ack-Ack/?action=view¤t=ahss43.jpg)
This other one was also took place in the MW some time ago. Shuffler and I had switched to the low numbers side (think Bish) and were about attempt to recapture a port and CV we had just lost. This guy got it into his head that I had a shade account and was using it to spy on the Bish CV locations. Again, at first I thought he was joking but as the conversation continued he was quite serious about me being a spy.
(http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm94/Ack-Ack/th_ahss50.jpg?t=1294185759) (http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm94/Ack-Ack/ahss50.jpg?t=1294185692)
ack-ack
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If it doesn't concern your side, technically it's spying. But then this is just a game, so who cares? People get way to bent out of shape over the stupidest things...
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Sorry ImADot, even though that did happen, my asking if it was spying was just me attempting to be facetious.
This was from the MW arena sometime back. I had switched sides because the Rookies were the low man on the totem pole and was flying with SKAlpo when this little gem on the radio happened. What makes it even funnier is that during this conversation I just cleared a bandit off one of these guys' six and the other guy was off to my port side about 2,000 yards away. At first I thought they were joking but it became quite clear they were rather serious.
(http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm94/Ack-Ack/th_ahss43.jpg?t=1294185540) (http://s294.photobucket.com/albums/mm94/Ack-Ack/?action=view¤t=ahss43.jpg)
This other one was also took place in the MW some time ago. Shuffler and I had switched to the low numbers side (think Bish) and were about attempt to recapture a port and CV we had just lost. This guy got it into his head that I had a shade account and was using it to spy on the Bish CV locations. Again, at first I thought he was joking but as the conversation continued he was quite serious about me being a spy.
(http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm94/Ack-Ack/th_ahss50.jpg?t=1294185759) (http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm94/Ack-Ack/ahss50.jpg?t=1294185692)
ack-ack
Awesome ack-ack :lol
Lambo
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Sorry ImADot, even though that did happen, my asking if it was spying was just me attempting to be facetious.
And my reply was basically "who cares; it's a game". I personally don't care one way or the other about "teh spiez", as I don't care one way or the other what side owns what block of pixels on the map. As long as I can find someone somewhere who wants to fight, I'm happy.
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But then this is just a game, so who cares?
Very easy to fall in that pothole of thinking when playing a game in a world of anonymity (as in no face-to-face).
I bet you would care in this situation ;)...
(http://blogs.zdnet.com/images/battleship%20game.jpeg)
Try spying here and see what happens. The opposing player might have a very real reaction to the one peeking at the board. The conscious act of spying is the same, whether anonymous or not.
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I really like to use 200 to chat with guys that I like who are on other countries. It's great for discussing fights and planes and beer and all sorts of stuff. What else should it be used for if not that?
Duh. SPIZ!!!!!!!!!!!! :uhoh
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i like spying on the brigade because dallas always delivers the best PM's ;)
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Very easy to fall in that pothole of thinking when playing a game in a world of anonymity (as in no face-to-face).
I bet you would care in this situation ;)...
(http://blogs.zdnet.com/images/battleship%20game.jpeg)
Try spying here and see what happens. The opposing player might have a very real reaction to the one peeking at the board. The conscious act of spying is the same, whether anonymous or not.
Your analogy is realistic and would work if in fact you were talking about a simple game in a 1 vs 1, but we all know its more like this.
(http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj131/bayoubeach/HORDECHILD.jpg)
So in essence, if spying is cheating or unethical/unfair play, than what would noe/hording be? Just sayin.
If its part of the game, its a part you must accept as much as the other.