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Title: Is this normal?
Post by: JOACH1M on February 12, 2011, 01:13:05 PM
I live in a small town population about 1500 people our school has a total if 1000 kids(this is ecause we share wit a town just a few miles away). In the past year 8 kids in our grade alone have passed away two of which were my best friends. The eighth happened Lara night be cause she OD'd on some drug. My past two years of HS has been BS, is normal for highschool? Or the world is just F'ed up
Title: Re: Is this normal?
Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on February 12, 2011, 01:20:17 PM
I live in a small town population about 1500 people our school has a total if 1000 kids(this is ecause we share wit a town just a few miles away). In the past year 8 kids in our grade alone have passed away two of which were my best friends. The eighth happened Lara night be cause she OD'd on some drug. My past two years of HS has been BS, is normal for highschool? Or the world is just F'ed up

No it's not normal and drug use has blown off proportions. There needs to be more strict laws, every addict of hard narcotics should be subjected to a forced rehab cold turkey on first use violation. After first conviction mandatory drug testing every 3 months and cold turkey rehab for each new violation. Pot users etc. wouldn't suffer from rehab so they should just be imprisoned for the duration in separation naturally, not to get drugs from prison population.

One year program and drug use is guaranteed to reduce to a fraction.

Drugs have destroyed our communities. A few decades back you could walk the streets without worry. You could send your kids to travel by bus. Now the buses are full of alcoholics or junkies and the streets of any major city are a drug related robbery waiting to happen.
Title: Re: Is this normal?
Post by: RichardDickBong on February 12, 2011, 01:30:20 PM
I'm sorry to hear about your schools trouble. I myself never used any hard drugs in high school but there were a ton of kids who were using cheese aka black tar heroin made to snort. I can't remember for sure but we had somewhere in the area of 15-30 kids OD and die in just a two year span. This was in Plano, Texas and it was all over the news and everything. It hit me really hard when one of my best friends who had gotten his girl friend pregnant overdosed and died. His child was due in about three weeks. I know that it's hard and tough to talk about, but If drugs are the reason Someone needs to step in and try to make sure that it doesn't happen anymore. The cops and authorities need to let the word out, stop whoever is getting you kids the drug, or whatever it takes.. If you know that it was drugs you should tell all of your friends about it. Let them know that this type of drug can and will kill you, Let them know that there are bad drugs going around and they can and will kill you. I hope and pray that none of the other kids have this problem and I'm sorry for your loss.  :salute :pray
Title: Re: Is this normal?
Post by: RichardDickBong on February 12, 2011, 01:33:50 PM
 :pray
Title: Re: Is this normal?
Post by: JOACH1M on February 12, 2011, 01:35:48 PM
I'm sorry to hear about your schools trouble. I myself never used any hard drugs in high school but there were a ton of kids who were using cheese aka black tar heroin made to snort. I can't remember for sure but we had somewhere in the area of 15-30 kids OD and die in just a two year span. This was in Plano, Texas and it was all over the news and everything. It hit me really hard when one of my best friends who had gotten his girl friends pregnant overdosed and died. His child was due in about three weeks. I know that it's hard and tough to talk about, but If drugs are the reason Someone needs to step in and try to make sure that it doesn't happen anymore. The cops and authorities need to let the word out, stop whoever is getting you kids the drug, or whatever it takes.. If you know that it was drugs you should tell all of your friends about it. Let them know that this type of drug can and will kill you, Let them know that there are bad drugs going around and they can and will kill you. I hope and pray that none of the other kids have this problem and I'm sorry for your loss.  :salute :pray
Im just sick of the BS this is the first drug related death at this school, I already heard that the school might send letters home to get consent from there parents to get a drug test, and if positive they will be dealt with in some way I don't know :uhoh
Title: Re: Is this normal?
Post by: Mirage on February 12, 2011, 01:49:25 PM
I am sorry to hear about your friends  :salute but it is normal for highschool to be BS,  no year will be perfect,  and of course bad things will happen, but when its all over you find that you would not trade the experience or the lessons you learnt for anything in the world, because even good things can be taken from bad things  :salute good luck with hs man
Title: Re: Is this normal?
Post by: oakranger on February 12, 2011, 01:55:40 PM
Sorry to hear about your loss

NO, that is not normal and sounds like nobody in your town is stepping up to stop this.  Go to the state or federal for help. 
Title: Re: Is this normal?
Post by: Dichotomy on February 12, 2011, 01:55:45 PM
Lost three close friends in a two week span my Junior year.  

I wouldn't say your situation is 'normal' more along the lines of a statistical anomaly.

 :pray

You hang in there sir.  We need more young men like you around.  
Title: Re: Is this normal?
Post by: JOACH1M on February 12, 2011, 04:29:29 PM
Sorry to hear about your loss

NO, that is not normal and sounds like nobody in your town is stepping up to stop this.  Go to the state or federal for help. 
Sadly it's a private school so there not affected by state school laws...the school may a officer in the school goof around with a dog to find this chit
Title: Re: Is this normal?
Post by: fbWldcat on February 12, 2011, 06:26:36 PM
We haven't had a single kid die in all my years at school (A 5th grader died when I was in 1st grade, that's all). that being said, drugs and alcohol are serious problems and need to be dealt with swiftly. I have two friends from other school systems die from pot (I didn't even know they were on it) they drove and went down a narrow pike. Crashed into a tree at 50mph. Honestly, it isn't normal, but it is gaining speed real fast.
Title: Re: Is this normal?
Post by: StokesAk on February 12, 2011, 07:02:50 PM
I go to public school and for me I hear stories about kids being high and drunk a lot, almost everyday. I myself have never done any drugs and never drunk, but I do have some friends that do. To be honest it doesn't bother me that much and no one that I know of has died or been seriously injured, but that is not far from happening. Drugs are a problem in the school system and I don't think they care that much.

Kids smoke pot in the bathrooms everyday, the next day all the bathrooms are locked. So the junkies move to the locker room, smells like weed everyday. I'm sure there is something else that my school can do about this, but they don't really care.
Title: Re: Is this normal?
Post by: LLogann on February 12, 2011, 07:06:32 PM
Not going to get into all of this but yes.......................... ...........

I went to highschool with 3500 kids.....................   Freshman year we had 1000, we graduated with 479.    4 kids in my class died, 1 natural causes, 1 suicide, 1 stupidity, 1 murder.  If you add the other grades, I knew 12 kids who died before they graduated.

It's called life, get used to it.  Sad, but true..... Like a Metallica song.
Title: Re: Is this normal?
Post by: trax1 on February 12, 2011, 07:09:57 PM
Thats pretty messed up that you've had 8 kids die in the past 2 years, I'm sorry to hear about that, but you said that this latest death was the only one that was drug related, can I ask what was the reasons for the other deaths, was it something like drunk driving, or just car accidents or something?
Title: Re: Is this normal?
Post by: JOACH1M on February 12, 2011, 07:18:08 PM
Thats pretty messed up that you've had 8 kids die in the past 2 years, I'm sorry to hear about that, but you said that this latest death was the only one that was drug related, can I ask what was the reasons for the other deaths, was it something like drunk driving, or just car accidents or something?
2car accident, 2 my best friends shot, 3 suicide, 1 drug OD :(
Title: Re: Is this normal?
Post by: trax1 on February 12, 2011, 07:23:55 PM
2car accident, 2 my best friends shot, 3 suicide, 1 drug OD :(
Damn man, sorry to hear about that, I'd have to say that's definitely an unusual number of deaths especially since only one of the 8 was drug related, and it being a fairly small town & school.  It sounds like your school has faced it's fair share of heartbreak these last 2 years, I hope things get better for you & your school. :pray
Title: Re: Is this normal?
Post by: 321BAR on February 12, 2011, 07:26:16 PM
During the four years of high school for me, 3 well known people had died.. 2 of which i knew personally. and the 3rd out of the 3 was a terrible time for one of my best friends...
Title: Re: Is this normal?
Post by: TinmanX on February 12, 2011, 07:37:39 PM
I blame the paranoid.
Title: Re: Is this normal?
Post by: Belial on February 12, 2011, 07:45:15 PM
Ive had 8 die in car/quad accidents and 1 from an overdose they don't now if it was accidental or not yet.


All of them were my friends but 1 was a really close friend...I still have his number in my phone.
It's something that's part of life but having your best friend die is hard for anyone.
Title: Re: Is this normal?
Post by: JOACH1M on February 12, 2011, 07:52:12 PM
Thanks for the support, I'm scared that this is gonna start a chain reaction like it did last year, this isn't gonna end well I know it :(
Title: Re: Is this normal?
Post by: trax1 on February 12, 2011, 07:55:28 PM
Thanks for the support, I'm scared that this is gonna start a chain reaction like it did last year, this isn't gonna end well I know it :(
Well hopefully people will be able to notice the early signs of someone thinking about hurting themselves this time around and will be able to prevent the person from doing something to themselves.
Title: Re: Is this normal?
Post by: Dichotomy on February 12, 2011, 11:00:05 PM
Thanks for the support, I'm scared that this is gonna start a chain reaction like it did last year, this isn't gonna end well I know it :(

That's the wrong frame of mind bro.  Think more in terms of what you can do to not let that stuff happen.  You'd be surprised how much a friendly smile or a pat on the back means to some people.  You are NOT in control of anybodies destiny and thinking you are is foolish.  Be the best you that you can be and drive on.  If tomorrow morning you can wake up, look in the mirror, and see someone you respect, you're doing okay.

Life is hard.  It's sometimes cruel, remorseless, and evil, but the alternative isn't much fun to comprehend.  But it rarely throws much more at you than you can withstand.  During our brief discussions I think you can stand a lot.  It may suck but I think you can handle it. 

If it gets to be too much you've got a lot of great guys with a ton of life experience to talk to.

 :salute

Hang in there bro..
Title: Re: Is this normal?
Post by: RTR on February 12, 2011, 11:44:04 PM
I live in a small town population about 1500 people our school has a total if 1000 kids(this is ecause we share wit a town just a few miles away). In the past year 8 kids in our grade alone have passed away two of which were my best friends. The eighth happened Lara night be cause she OD'd on some drug. My past two years of HS has been BS, is normal for highschool? Or the world is just F'ed up

No.

It is not normal.

But I am Canadian.

Your Mileage may vary.

RTR
Title: Re: Is this normal?
Post by: SunBat on February 13, 2011, 12:28:51 AM
2 my best friends shot

Shot?  Really?  That doesn't happen unless u r in the wrong place at the wrong time or u hang with the wrong people. Both cases can be avoided except for very unlucky circumstances in the case of the former.

I pray for those parents. I hope I never know that pain.
Title: Re: Is this normal?
Post by: JOACH1M on February 13, 2011, 09:54:54 AM
Shot?  Really?  That doesn't happen unless u r in the wrong place at the wrong time or u hang with the wrong people. Both cases can be avoided except for very unlucky circumstances in the case of the former.

I pray for those parents. I hope I never know that pain.
They were step brothers and Seans dad, Andys step dad shot them in there sleep
Title: Re: Is this normal?
Post by: CAP1 on February 13, 2011, 10:46:36 AM
No it's not normal and drug use has blown off proportions. There needs to be more strict laws, every addict of hard narcotics should be subjected to a forced rehab cold turkey on first use violation. After first conviction mandatory drug testing every 3 months and cold turkey rehab for each new violation. Pot users etc. wouldn't suffer from rehab so they should just be imprisoned for the duration in separation naturally, not to get drugs from prison population.

One year program and drug use is guaranteed to reduce to a fraction.

Drugs have destroyed our communities. A few decades back you could walk the streets without worry. You could send your kids to travel by bus. Now the buses are full of alcoholics or junkies and the streets of any major city are a drug related robbery waiting to happen.

laws are only made for law abiding people. others will never abide by the laws. this is proven constantly each and every day.


 if there are kids doing drugs, it's more due to parents not getting the message across to their kids of the implications of using them.
Title: Re: Is this normal?
Post by: bj229r on February 13, 2011, 12:14:20 PM
Shot?  Really?  That doesn't happen unless u r in the wrong place at the wrong time or u hang with the wrong people. Both cases can be avoided except for very unlucky circumstances in the case of the former.

I pray for those parents. I hope I never know that pain.
Yup. I lived in Tampa for 20 years, and 5 folks I knew well, a couple of whom were good friends, the others, just folks who were in my circle, were murdered by various means. Only one of those was an upright guy who did nothing to bring it on. Punk blew his head off as he closed his business one day. The rest all contributed largely to their end
Title: Re: Is this normal?
Post by: CAP1 on February 13, 2011, 12:34:34 PM
Thanks for the support, I'm scared that this is gonna start a chain reaction like it did last year, this isn't gonna end well I know it :(

you can help to prevent that. get the word out. you've got many many tools at your disposal.

 forget laws, and wanting them to make new laws. there's plenty on the books, if they were enforced.

 make it known that you, and people like you will not take this kind of thing laying down. get as much information out there as you can. talk to counselors in your school..they can and probably will help you. get in touch with like minded friends, and their parents.

 you can change this.  :aok
Title: Re: Is this normal?
Post by: JOACH1M on February 13, 2011, 07:03:10 PM
you can help to prevent that. get the word out. you've got many many tools at your disposal.

 forget laws, and wanting them to make new laws. there's plenty on the books, if they were enforced.

 make it known that you, and people like you will not take this kind of thing laying down. get as much information out there as you can. talk to counselors in your school..they can and probably will help you. get in touch with like minded friends, and their parents.

 you can change this.  :aok
I school already hired two more concilers for this...
Title: Re: Is this normal?
Post by: Babalonian on February 14, 2011, 12:36:45 PM
I live in a small town population about 1500 people our school has a total if 1000 kids(this is ecause we share wit a town just a few miles away). In the past year 8 kids in our grade alone have passed away two of which were my best friends. The eighth happened Lara night be cause she OD'd on some drug. My past two years of HS has been BS, is normal for highschool? Or the world is just F'ed up

1)  Normal, but then again I went to LAUSD where the average class size of your average school is a third to half of your entire school.  We lost 9 kids in my senior year, 17 in my sophmore year and class.

2)  Yes, the world is, enjoy your youth and your first years of college while you still can.
Title: Re: Is this normal?
Post by: Tupac on February 14, 2011, 01:01:20 PM
I just recently lost a friend. That brings the total up to 4 for NB
Title: Re: Is this normal?
Post by: VonMessa on February 14, 2011, 01:05:55 PM
Im just sick of the BS this is the first drug related death at this school, I already heard that the school might send letters home to get consent from there parents to get a drug test, and if positive they will be dealt with in some way I don't know :uhoh

What if the parents do not give consent?
Title: Re: Is this normal?
Post by: JOACH1M on February 14, 2011, 01:59:13 PM
What if the parents do not give consent?
Sadly I don't know
Title: Re: Is this normal?
Post by: VonMessa on February 14, 2011, 02:53:31 PM
No it's not normal and drug use has blown off proportions. There needs to be more strict laws, every addict of hard narcotics should be subjected to a forced rehab cold turkey on first use violation. After first conviction mandatory drug testing every 3 months and cold turkey rehab for each new violation. Pot users etc. wouldn't suffer from rehab so they should just be imprisoned for the duration in separation naturally, not to get drugs from prison population.

One year program and drug use is guaranteed to reduce to a fraction.

Drugs have destroyed our communities. A few decades back you could walk the streets without worry. You could send your kids to travel by bus. Now the buses are full of alcoholics or junkies and the streets of any major city are a drug related robbery waiting to happen.


Sadly I don't know


Sadly, the only person that can help an addict is the addict.  Only when that person wants, and is ready for help, will any type of help work. 

Incarcerating does two things: wastes my money as a taxpayer and teaches those that were just addicts, when they went in how to be a better criminal.  There are more drugs within the walls of a prison than on the street regardless if it is a segregated population or not.  If you think, for one minute that tossing every user into a cell or rehab will "cure" them, you are either very naive, haven't met someone that had a serious addiction or have never been shown how things work in a county or state prison.  Money talks, BS walks.  End of story.

A junkie will find a way to use, PERIOD, until one of two things happens:  they WANT to get clean or they die from it.  Locking them up only delays those two actions.  Only those that are willing, can be rehabilitated.

Education starts in the home.  It is not the responsibility of the school, their job is to educate academically.  It is the responsibility of the parents to educate morally.

As for randomly testing MY children? 

I will write the following on a piece of parchment with a quill pen, if necessary:

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

 


Title: Re: Is this normal?
Post by: CAP1 on February 14, 2011, 03:39:17 PM
Sadly I don't know

i'm not for drug testing these kids in the school. you can generally tell the users simply by how they interact with others, and how they act in general. it is the parents responsibility. they are the ones that need to get their kids tested if it's going to happen. either that, or the parents will have to foot the bill if the kids are getting tested by the school.

 while i'm not a parent(although i do have a step-daughter that i haven't seen in nearly 20 years), i have plenty of friends that are parents. the sad fact is that these days, parents either don't have the time, or are not willing to take the time with their kids. they use the school system as a daycare center. with this attitude, there will never be a cure to this problem.

 i've lost 3 friends over the last 30 years, due to drugs. they all died after graduation though. one drowned in the bathtub, after od'ing on heroine, and passing out....face first into the water. another was high as a kite, and stepped out on laurel rd directly in front of a car doing about 45. the other simply od'd.

 none of us like it...........

and every time i see things like this, i thank god my grand parents were the way they were. it's ashame they're not still here for me to thank them.
Title: Re: Is this normal?
Post by: Ardy123 on February 14, 2011, 04:49:41 PM
I live in a small town population about 1500 people our school has a total if 1000 kids(this is ecause we share wit a town just a few miles away). In the past year 8 kids in our grade alone have passed away two of which were my best friends. The eighth happened Lara night be cause she OD'd on some drug. My past two years of HS has been BS, is normal for highschool? Or the world is just F'ed up

Where are the parents? 

Yeah, for a small school of 1000 kids, yes thats a bit high. Granted I went to high school over 15 years ago and lots of kids experimented with drugs and drinking but I only remember 2 or 3 kids dying, and not directly from oding from drugs or drinking but from drinking and then driving. And the high-school I went to had over 1500 kids and was a public school in an urban area.


Title: Re: Is this normal?
Post by: curry1 on February 14, 2011, 04:52:38 PM
I live in a small town population about 1500 people our school has a total if 1000 kids(this is ecause we share wit a town just a few miles away). In the past year 8 kids in our grade alone have passed away two of which were my best friends. The eighth happened Lara night be cause she OD'd on some drug. My past two years of HS has been BS, is normal for highschool? Or the world is just F'ed up

We have had 3 people commit suicide at my high-school this year.
Title: Re: Is this normal?
Post by: EskimoJoe on February 14, 2011, 09:33:06 PM
Unfortunately, it is a bit more common than most folks know.
Sometimes it can be especially bad, no matter where you are.
Just remember, as long as you hold their memory close, they can never truly be gone.

 :salute
Title: Re: Is this normal?
Post by: JOACH1M on February 14, 2011, 09:51:28 PM
Unfortunately, it is a bit more common than most folks know.
Sometimes it can be especially bad, no matter where you are.
Just remember, as long as you hold their memory close, they can never truly be gone.

 :salute
Deffinatly I got a couple things from my two friends...i have them in my bedroom
Title: Re: Is this normal?
Post by: Plawranc on February 14, 2011, 11:23:25 PM
jeez dude, I thought I had it bad.
Title: Re: Is this normal?
Post by: Chalenge on February 14, 2011, 11:31:09 PM
No it's not normal and drug use has blown off proportions. There needs to be more strict laws, every addict of hard narcotics should be subjected to a forced rehab cold turkey on first use violation. After first conviction mandatory drug testing every 3 months and cold turkey rehab for each new violation. Pot users etc. wouldn't suffer from rehab so they should just be imprisoned for the duration in separation naturally, not to get drugs from prison population.

One year program and drug use is guaranteed to reduce to a fraction.

Drugs have destroyed our communities. A few decades back you could walk the streets without worry. You could send your kids to travel by bus. Now the buses are full of alcoholics or junkies and the streets of any major city are a drug related robbery waiting to happen.

You cant fix stupid with laws. We should de-criminalize drugs. Even LEOs say that. Drugs are not the problem. Its the people that are broken.