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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: usvi on February 13, 2011, 09:44:40 AM
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I'll open up with a Slavic engineering marvel.The classic 1990 Yugo Cabrio. :aok
Specs & Details:
Engine: 1.3 L I4
Transmission: 5 spd manual
Horsepower: 61 bhp
(http://www.carpictures.com/media/images/full/99LLA353326770A.jpeg)
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_zp5hU5oekAI/TGMsHKU3elI/AAAAAAAAEIw/PXSjC7L-NyI/s1600/yugo+cabrio+engine.jpg)
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The 4 door Wego was worse than that.................. :uhoh
LOL, can't argue with the Yugo......... Maybe a Fiat 124 could battle for it.......... :headscratch:
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The 4 door Wego was worse than that.................. :uhoh
LOL, can't argue with the Yugo......... Maybe a Fiat 124 could battle for it.......... :headscratch:
Russian Lada. They licensed a Fiat 1966 design and continued to produce it practically unchanged up to 1984. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lada
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FSO Polonez which was in fact much worse car to drive.
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Trabant which I never had the 'pleasure' to test personally :D Curiously enough all were glorious achievements of the communist system.
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(http://www.ptcruiserlinks.com/gallery/data/2/pt-cruiser-smoothie.jpg)
Nothing to do with the stats, I just HATE seeing these things. Don't know why, but I despise them.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5e/Chevrolet-El-Camino.jpg)
I saw a TON of El Caminos growing up in the 80s, and they ALWAYS annoyed the hell out of me. Is it a car? Is it a pickup truck?! I DON'T KNOW! MAKE UP YOUR MIND!!!
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Anything that isnt a FORD!! lol
CobraJet
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1979 Audi Fox. Trust me on this one. I bought one like this with 20k on it, and by 40k, it was undriveable for various reasons, and I BABIED that car.
List of things that went kaput on it: Timing chain, water pump, fuel pump, the finally the transaxle.
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_MiZ-UqDwf6c/TQRsFSC2wkI/AAAAAAAAHa4/LLTTpk_BcbM/s1600/1978%2BAudi%2BFox%2B80%2BB1%2B2%2BDoor%2BSaloon%2B3.jpg)
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Anything that isnt a FORD!! lol
CobraJet
as much as i love my fords, there are plenty of fords that are POS's. just an FYI/
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Anything that isnt a FORD!! lol
CobraJet
Sorry,Ford makes the list...BIG TIME.
(http://www.faniq.com/images/blog/Ford%20Pinto.jpg)
(http://jeffcjensen.net/blog/attach/autopinto.gif)
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i would love to have pinto with a 302 its a great drag car!
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Sorry,Ford makes the list...BIG TIME.
(http://www.faniq.com/images/blog/Ford%20Pinto.jpg)
(http://jeffcjensen.net/blog/attach/autopinto.gif)
now if you wanna go there, i think that possibly the 80's FWD cadillacs, and buicks were far worse than the pinto. you didn't have to hit them to make them catch fire. then there was the pontiac fiero.
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"Drag"Car?
(http://badboyvettes.com/main/content/images/uploaded/LoriPinto.jpg)
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The Renault Fuego/Alliance--wife had the convertible Alliance, rebuilt the top end TWICE before it hit 50k--the overhead cam was driven by an exterior belt....if the belt came off/broke while engine was even IDLING, the valves were instantly ruined. (3rd time sent it to a junk yard)
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corvette zr1 lmfao
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Anything that is a FORD!! lol
CobraJet
Fixed!
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corvette zr1 lmfao
:huh
:headscratch:
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Any Caddy with the 4.3 litre V-8. Worst motor ever made IMHO. They used a all aluminum block and heads and put cast iron sleeves in the cylinders.
1984 Ford Tempo----pretty much all fords, thier electrical charging systems are crap and always will be. If you've ever owned one you know all about the big grey motorcraft ignition box on the inner fender. And they have the ugliest dash layouts of any cay maker.....ever!
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Sorry,Ford makes the list...BIG TIME.
(http://www.faniq.com/images/blog/Ford%20Pinto.jpg)
(http://jeffcjensen.net/blog/attach/autopinto.gif)
Ironically, as-designed the Pinto would have been one of the safest, most high-tech cars on the market. Then the shareholders stepped in.
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Any Caddy with the 4.3 litre V-8. Worst motor ever made IMHO. They used a all aluminum block and heads and put cast iron sleeves in the cylinders.
1984 Ford Tempo----pretty much all fords, thier electrical charging systems are crap and always will be. If you've ever owned one you know all about the big grey motorcraft ignition box on the inner fender. And they have the ugliest dash layouts of any cay maker.....ever!
aawww....c'mon..you don't like the duraspark ignition?
and an fyi......the EC5 control system is one of the best domestic engine control systems there is.
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DAEWOO...FTW!!! :lol
add the mercury mistake to that list of p.o.s. ford motor company crapola...doesn't include the ford pickups and broncos from the 70s.
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Lada Niva
(http://0.tqn.com/d/4wheeldrive/1/0/Z/P/1/IsaacG_88LadaNiva_RR.jpg)
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Most anything from the 70's and 80's.
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Any vehicle with a snorkel can't be all bad. :aok
Lada Niva
(http://0.tqn.com/d/4wheeldrive/1/0/Z/P/1/IsaacG_88LadaNiva_RR.jpg)
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Ladies and gentlemen i give you the Reliant Robin!
(http://www.flytecrewblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/trotters-robin-reliant.jpg)(http://www.apriliaforum.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=148911&d=1287104166) UNLESS Top Gear got its hands on one(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2009/02/top_gear_space_shuttle_580.jpg) It still exploded
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The Trabant!
It does come well equipped though.
(http://www.peasanttuning.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/driving_veb_sachsenring_trabant_601_005.jpg)
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My second car,Ukrainian Tavria. 1.1litre engine, 51 horse power. Engine lifespan about 30k.(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v676/N22/f8c8ff26.jpg)
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My first car , Zaporozhets. Had downsized copy of air cooled Porsche 911 engine. 1litre 28 or 41 horsepower. Heater was ingenious , fuel dripping on glowing metallic stripe ! That somehow was suppose to generate heat.(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v676/N22/a6caef0e.jpg)
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(http://media.economist.com/images/images-magazine/2010/12/18/xh/20101218_xhp005.jpg)
The Hungarian microcar, the Fesztival, whose body was made of "pigs blood, feathers and shellac." It was "stylish, but smelly." One of its competitors was the German Kabinenroller:
(http://media.economist.com/images/images-magazine/2010/12/18/xh/20101218_xhp013.jpg) (http://api.ning.com/files/K1qoAY8GpaS0IB**Yy7xgHwOlgrBIBB7*5QArt42sPl39nbtSV5mwo1iEFkaP8-1I9TfiajGrzGSB96FtEsRVzxjzMfdfttz/HungaryMicrocarsPhoto2messerschmitt.jpg)
You cannot make this stuff up. Link: http://www.economist.com/node/17722676 (http://www.economist.com/node/17722676)
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G Wiz - Top Gear Proven
(http://www.blogcdn.com/green.autoblog.com/media/2007/12/a-g-wiz-385_194528a.jpg)
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British Leyland/Austin allegro:
(http://motortorque.askaprice.com/images/features/428-288/Austin-Allegro-is-worst-British-car-19296.jpg)
in music allegro means cheerful or brisk. the BL allegro was neither.
BL cars were ****. others that spring to mind: Princess, Maxi, Ital. all ****.
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non-Japanese cars in the 70s, 80s and 90s.
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achievement of worst aesthetics goes to Fiat LOL
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a2/Fiat_Multipla_front_20080825.jpg)
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I'd say the most successful worst car has to be;
(http://www.livetradingnews.com/wp-content/uploads/prius1.jpg)
I'm blown away at how many gullible people have bought into Toyota's whole "save the Earth" and "go green" marketing BS. :rolleyes:
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non-Japanese cars in the 70s, 80s and 90s.
philistine
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I'd say the most successful worst car has to be;
(http://www.livetradingnews.com/wp-content/uploads/prius1.jpg)
I'm blown away at how many gullible people have bought into Toyota's whole "save the Earth" and "go green" marketing BS. :rolleyes:
now that you've brought that up....i've searched before, on how much it costs(pollution and energy wise) to make these things......
or....there was a commercial on the local radio station the other day....saying something about recycling 1 single aluminmum can can power a tv for so many hours......often wondered how much energy it costs to recycle that can though........
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(http://www.ptcruiserlinks.com/gallery/data/2/pt-cruiser-smoothie.jpg)
Nothing to do with the stats, I just HATE seeing these things. Don't know why, but I despise them.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5e/Chevrolet-El-Camino.jpg)
I saw a TON of El Caminos growing up in the 80s, and they ALWAYS annoyed the hell out of me. Is it a car? Is it a pickup truck?! I DON'T KNOW! MAKE UP YOUR MIND!!!
Saxman, you're crazy! It looks like a ute! :aok
What do you need a 'truck' for? The ute is the way to go. As fast as a sedan, as useful as a truck. Best of both worlds.
(http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i253/plague_06/Uteburnout.jpg)
(http://carandsuv.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/fpv-fg-super-pursuit-ute-fq-688x458.jpg)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjXraFkpXJE&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjXraFkpXJE&feature=related)
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now that you've brought that up....i've searched before, on how much it costs(pollution and energy wise) to make these things......
or....there was a commercial on the local radio station the other day....saying something about recycling 1 single aluminmum can can power a tv for so many hours......often wondered how much energy it costs to recycle that can though........
You forget about the original cost of mining, transporting and smelting the bauxite.
Recycling aluminium uses about 5% of the energy required to create aluminium from bauxite, because the latter requires a lot of electrical energy to electrolyse aluminium oxide into aluminium.
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Worst car ever made in my oppinion, is the nissan Sunny
(http://static.cargurus.com/images/site/2009/10/12/12/19/1992_nissan_sunny-pic-32200.jpeg)
the reason is, there is nothing bad about it, but nothing good either, it is just plain and has no character, like when you think of a fiero, whats the first thing that comes to mind? they catch on fire, but they are also very nice looking, or when you think of a toyota AE86 corolla, it may not be the prettiest car, but it is the grandaddy of drifting, when you think of the Nissan sunny, you just see this plain boring cookie cutter car, that in my oppinion is why it is the worst car in the world
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ladies and gents i present:
my first car, a 1999 Pontiac Sunfire.
(http://images03.olx.com/ui/1/80/41/12947941_2.jpg)
i don't know what i was thinking at 16, when the used mustang was only $1000 more...
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(http://i532.photobucket.com/albums/ee322/joneshouse3/amc_pacer.jpg)
Not my actual car. Mine wasn't in that good of shape. Like driving around in a big/medium sized fishbowl.
Coogan
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Any Caddy with the 4.3 litre V-8. Worst motor ever made IMHO. They used a all aluminum block and heads and put cast iron sleeves in the cylinders.
Uh, there was no 4.3L all aluminum Cadillac V-8. But don't let the facts get in your way.
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Uh, there was no 4.3L all aluminum Cadillac V-8. But don't let the facts get in your way.
i think he meant the ht4100.
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If it isn't the Pacer, it has to be the Chevy Vega,,what a piece of ,,,,,,,,yech
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Sorry,Ford makes the list...BIG TIME.
(http://www.faniq.com/images/blog/Ford%20Pinto.jpg)
(http://jeffcjensen.net/blog/attach/autopinto.gif)
Why not mention the Crown Victoria or the Mustangs with "similar" issues? But I've never wondered how people get hooked on the Pinto and the 27 related deaths from the fuel neck filler.
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http://www.cartalk.com/content/features/Worst-Cars/results1.html
They did a bit on this on Car Talk a while back, amusing and pretty accurate in my somewhat limited experience.
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Why not mention the Crown Victoria or the Mustangs with "similar" issues? But I've never wondered how people get hooked on the Pinto and the 27 related deaths from the fuel neck filler.
Pinto also had a flaw that made it prone to popping into reverse....
That said, for completely unrelated reasons, I will never buy another Ford.
My Toyota has been quite reliable, my Fords, not so much, thank you.
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If it isn't the Pacer, it has to be the Chevy Vega,,what a piece of ,,,,,,,,yech
The Vega had a very nice chassis, with superior handing in its day. It was undone by its unsleeved aluminum engine. The Cosworth Vega showed the rightness of the chassis when powered by a good motor.
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That said, for completely unrelated reasons, I will never buy another Ford.
My Toyota has been quite reliable, my Fords, not so much, thank you.
I guess some people have different luck with different makes. Every GM product my family has ever owned has broken down (and a LOT of transmission trouble). Since '01 we've owned nothing but Fords. Other than a tree falling on my dad going down the highway, none of them have been towed or needed to be taken to get worked on.
I drive an 03 F-150 4WD that we've had since 03 (bought it used), and I've never had to replace anything on it.
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I guess some people have different luck with different makes. Every GM product my family has ever owned has broken down (and a LOT of transmission trouble). Since '01 we've owned nothing but Fords. Other than a tree falling on my dad going down the highway, none of them have been towed or needed to be taken to get worked on.
I drive an 03 F-150 4WD that we've had since 03 (bought it used), and I've never had to replace anything on it.
Lie cause you have replaced oil :)
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Pinto also had a flaw that made it prone to popping into reverse....
That said, for completely unrelated reasons, I will never buy another Ford.
My Toyota has been quite reliable, my Fords, not so much, thank you.
i've got several. i've owned chevys, fords, a toyota(geo prism is corolla in disguise), and chryslers.
85 e350 with over 200k, never let me down. even with the junk 351m/400 engine.
95 taurus 3.8l with 135k.
been through a few mustangs, and a couger. no complaints about any of them, 'cept for the poor snow handling.
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Lol the Yugo?
Didn't Rodney King get it to go over 120 mph? :bolt:
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Lie cause you have replaced oil :)
not necessarily true. i know of a 1999 ford e-350 that went nearly 10 years(although no more than about 19k miles) without an oil change. we fired the person responsible for that vehicle too.
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Lie cause you have replaced oil :)
Aside from oil, washer fluid, filters, etc...
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I guess some people have different luck with different makes. Every GM product my family has ever owned has broken down (and a LOT of transmission trouble). Since '01 we've owned nothing but Fords. Other than a tree falling on my dad going down the highway, none of them have been towed or needed to be taken to get worked on.
I drive an 03 F-150 4WD that we've had since 03 (bought it used), and I've never had to replace anything on it.
When it comes time to replace my 2001 Tundra, I expect to be getting another Tundra.
That said, when somebody asks me what kind of pickup I recommend, I tell them to get a Ford or Toyota. I've owned a Nissan 2WD, the Chevy buses at my last job blew their transmissions so often each one cost us three times what our Fords cost us in maintainance. None of the Dodges I've been around have done well.
So, Ford or Toyota. I just won't be buying a Ford, but I acknowledge that they make good trucks.
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Pinto also had a flaw that made it prone to popping into reverse....
That said, for completely unrelated reasons, I will never buy another Ford.
My Toyota has been quite reliable, my Fords, not so much, thank you.
.....or the Dodge's from 1989-1997 that "left Park and rolled away"?
I've had 6 Ford trucks/cars and not a major problem.
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The Pinto 'Fire Ball', it had an unprotected gas tank (as in it was just beneath the metal siding) and if you got rear ended- KA-BOOM!
-Penguin
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The Vega had a very nice chassis, with superior handing in its day. It was undone by its unsleeved aluminum engine. The Cosworth Vega showed the rightness of the chassis when powered by a good motor.
I really enjoyed my '76 GT with 5 speed. Mine was undone by a Crown Vic T-Bone. :cry
Worst car - Mazda GLC or Chevette
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(http://www.ptcruiserlinks.com/gallery/data/2/pt-cruiser-smoothie.jpg)
Nothing to do with the stats, I just HATE seeing these things. Don't know why, but I despise them.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5e/Chevrolet-El-Camino.jpg)
I saw a TON of El Caminos growing up in the 80s, and they ALWAYS annoyed the hell out of me. Is it a car? Is it a pickup truck?! I DON'T KNOW! MAKE UP YOUR MIND!!!
Had a PT Cruiser with a turbo-charged SRT-4 motor in it. Best sleeper car I ever owned.
Guy that owned and modified it said he had to sell because of all the tickets he was getting
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.....or the Dodge's from 1989-1997 that "left Park and rolled away"?
I've had 6 Ford trucks/cars and not a major problem.
Ford is the undisputed king of vehicles that would not stay in park. I forgot how much they lost in lawsuits due to people being run over by Fords they put in "Park" and got out of. Ford even had to give aftermarket repair shops the same decal they had to install in all of their cars that were recalled for the problem. We had a box in the office at the transmission shop that had 5K of the decals in it. It wasn't just one transmission, either, the C-4, the C-6, and the FMX all three did it, constantly. They all ended up with a black and silver metal foil decal installed reminding anyone who drove it to set the parking brake anytime the vehicle was left unattended.
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not necessarily true. i know of a 1999 ford e-350 that went nearly 10 years(although no more than about 19k miles) without an oil change. we fired the person responsible for that vehicle too.
Funny you mentioned it. Had a woman with Hyundai minivan complaining about ticking noise Found out she never changed oil since she bought it, 33000 thousand miles ago:)
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The Vega had a very nice chassis, with superior handing in its day. It was undone by its unsleeved aluminum engine. The Cosworth Vega showed the rightness of the chassis when powered by a good motor.
Gotta say I owned a 74 Vega,,,and lived. The wind from even a medium truck would blow the thing off the road. Turning was an exercise in futility at any speed above 40 and taking a trip more than say, 30 minutes would leave me drained and sore (at the age of 18). If it weren't for the fact that the engine gave out at a very early stage I may well have driven that car long enough to die in it.
On the flip side, I could change out a sparkplug during a traffic stop without missing the light. Out of necessity came excellence! Usual distance to sparkplug changout.....15 miles. Rarely did I need to change more than one or two at a single stop.
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mustang lmfao
fixed :D
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Porsche 924.
Ferrari Mondial.
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Porsche wouldnt have made it past the 80s without the 924, 944 and 968 ...
924 carrera GT was pretty dam tasty too :aok
(http://www.carfolio.com/images/dbimages/zgas/models/id/2099/924_gt.jpg)
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The Pinto 'Fire Ball', it had an unprotected gas tank (as in it was just beneath the metal siding) and if you got rear ended- KA-BOOM!
-Penguin
You would be incorrect, but that isn't too surprising.
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You would be incorrect, but that isn't too surprising.
He watched Top Secret too many times :noid
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You would be incorrect, but that isn't too surprising.
i think he was fishing.
wonder what his theory on why the early 80's cadis, and buicks front wheel drivers used to catch fire? or why the pontiac fiero used to catch fire?
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Chevrolet Corvair.
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i've actually owned some form of mustang for the entire time i've been driving. my first ones were a couple of 67's, a couple of 68's and then a 74(that was a freebie).
the 60's stngs all had c-4's in them. the only complaint i ever had with those trannys, was the shifting when i modified the engines. that was easily fixable though with a little valve body work. not a single one of them ever popped out of park. i would be more inclined to think that that problem was somethign to do with the linkage, as ford had linkage rods, with a slot and locknut for adjustment.........not the chrysler k-cars that you couldn't park on even the slightest incline without it getting stuck in park.........
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Uh, there was no 4.3L all aluminum Cadillac V-8. But don't let the facts get in your way.
Just because you say different Mr.weakbait doesn't mean they didn't make one. I had a 1987 Caddy sedan deville with that junk motor in it and it was the worst idea GM ever had.
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Any Caddy with the 4.3 litre V-8. Worst motor ever made IMHO. They used a all aluminum block and heads and put cast iron sleeves in the cylinders.
So what is wrong with cast iron sleeves? R-R, Jumo, Allison, D-B engines ran very well with steel sleeves.
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Just because you say different Mr.weakbait doesn't mean they didn't make one. I had a 1987 Caddy sedan deville with that junk motor in it and it was the worst idea GM ever had.
nope. the only engines cadi offered in 87 were the 5.0L, 4.1L(ht4100) and the 2.8L.
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So what is wrong with cast iron sleeves? R-R, Jumo, Allison, D-B engines ran very well with steel sleeves.
I replaced the complete top end of that motor and the bottom end fell out 5,000 miles later. I had the caddy dealer do the work as well......
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So what is wrong with cast iron sleeves? R-R, Jumo, Allison, D-B engines ran very well with steel sleeves.
the cadillac engines in question needed sealer in the cooling system. a lot of us locally call them cadillac aspirins. if you flush, or otherwise service the cooling system on these engines, and don't put sealer in the cooling system, you'll be seeing that car back with a nice leak. probably overheating too.
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I replaced the complete top end of that motor and the bottom end fell out 5,000 miles later. I had the caddy dealer do the work as well......
it wasn't a 4.3L.
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The badge on the side of the car said 4300
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The badge on the side of the car said 4300
i just went through my information system. in 87 there was only the engines i listed....2.8, 4.1, and 5.0. the 4.1 was the good old ht4100, and to say it sucked balls is a mild understatement. the 4.1 was replaced in 1988 with the 4.5L. it too sucked balls, but not quite as badly as the 4.1. in 88 the only engines offered were the 2.8, 4.5, and 5.0. in 1991 the 4.5 was replaced by the 4.9. this engine was pretty good. there was also a 5.7 option added(this was the corvette engine).
if we go back to 86, there was a 2.0, 2.8, 4.1, and 5.0.
someone stuck a 4.3 badge on your car. there was never from what i can find, nor from what i have ever seen, a 4.3 in a cadillac.
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It was this one
The 1986 Cadillac had: Type: 90-degree, overhead valve V-8. Aluminum block and cast iron heads. Displacement: 249 cu in (4.1 liters) Bore & stroke: 3.47 x 3.31 in Compression ratio: 8.5:1 Brake horsepower: 135 hp (101 kW) at 4200 rpm Torque: 200 lbf·ft (270 N·m) at 2200 rpm Five main bearings Hydraulic valve lifters TBI VIN Code: 8
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It was this one
The 1986 Cadillac had: Type: 90-degree, overhead valve V-8. Aluminum block and cast iron heads. Displacement: 249 cu in (4.1 liters) Bore & stroke: 3.47 x 3.31 in Compression ratio: 8.5:1 Brake horsepower: 135 hp (101 kW) at 4200 rpm Torque: 200 lbf·ft (270 N·m) at 2200 rpm Five main bearings Hydraulic valve lifters TBI VIN Code: 8
So is this your way of saying: "Whoops, I was wrong!"?
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Porsche wouldnt have made it past the 80s without the 924, 944 and 968 ...
924 carrera GT was pretty dam tasty too :aok
I didn't not mention the GTS or 968... and I owned a 944 (turbo). :D
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So is this your way of saying: "Whoops, I was wrong!"?
:devil :aok
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Cap,
My wife has an 05 Acura TSX and I an 07 TL type S. Any engine issues with either of them going forward?
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Cap,
My wife has an 05 Acura TSX and I an 07 TL type S. Any engine issues with either of them going forward?
Yes. Google search button falls off:)
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Back to subject worst cars ever made...
85 -89 Dodge Aries K
(http://blog.truecar.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/800px-85-89_Dodge_Aries_sedan.jpg)
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I was off by one number, no I wasn't wrong saying that the 4100 engine is the worst engine ever produced by GM and ever will be.
You stuck your SAP(self appointed professional) nose in again just as you did in the jeep thread not to long ago. Wake up call is " you really don't know everything!" Funny your a SAP jeep tech and a mercedes benz SAP.....LMAO :lol
I have a 2002 Dodge Caravan also, is that junk, is the tranny good in that one?
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(http://image.automotive.com/f/features/news/18954045+pheader/0907_01_z+pontiac_aztek+front_three_quarter_view.jpg)
(http://i.ytimg.com/vi/U5GTRnOnUz0/0.jpg)
My two worst just of the top of my head.
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saw this one a couple of days ago the first time :uhoh
Its maybe not the worst but definitely not under the top10
Nissan Juke
(http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/1028/nissanjuke0331279361033.jpg) (http://img593.imageshack.us/i/nissanjuke0331279361033.jpg/)
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Worst car ever?
(http://www.greencarsite.co.uk/4sale/sales/electric-g-wiz-cars-for-sale.jpg)
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2012 addition, to bad it will stop there :D (http://carsdesigns.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/2012-Ford-Mustang-BOSS-302S-shoe.jpg)
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I was off by one number, no I wasn't wrong saying that the 4100 engine is the worst engine ever produced by GM and ever will be.
You stuck your SAP(self appointed professional) nose in again just as you did in the jeep thread not to long ago. Wake up call is " you really don't know everything!" Funny your a SAP jeep tech and a mercedes benz SAP.....LMAO :lol
I have a 2002 Dodge Caravan also, is that junk, is the tranny good in that one?
You mean the Jeep thread where aftermarket IFS parts used in Baja racing, were being compared to Stock Hummer IFS parts by AKP? I was correct and AKP was comparing apples to oranges in that thread.
Good luck with your Ignition Cylinder on the Caravan (Focus and the Caravan/T&C suffer from that one). Dodge transmissions have sucked for years, it's truly hit or miss. When I was Test Driving for Roush, we had 2 2013 Grand Caravans. One was in our program for 4 months and only had 3500 miles on it. It was always in the shop, until the transmission literally fell out of the vehicle on US-23. The other made it until 7500 and started slipping, so they yanked it from the program.
FYI, I have a few friends that have had MB's and they have all had transmission issues (S-Series and up). You said the 4300 (two numbers) more than once and yes you WERE WRONG!
Any Caddy with the 4.3 litre V-8. Worst motor ever made IMHO. They used a all aluminum block and heads and put cast iron sleeves in the cylinders.
Just because you say different Mr.weakbait doesn't mean they didn't make one. I had a 1987 Caddy sedan deville with that junk motor in it and it was the worst idea GM ever had.
The badge on the side of the car said 4300
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For the Record Todd. My buddy stationed in Germany has an 83 SL280. Here's his advice for you:
"The only two negatives from an engine standpoint are oil leakage from the cylinder head and the tendency to have a noisy valve train. If you're ok with the power of the six cylinder, I think it's fine. If the cars have a/c. The early cars had either two rotary dials, a vertical push button or a horizontal push button. He'd want the horizontal setup if it's available. As far as the model goes the things to look for are oil leakage from the engines (head), transmission, power steering, worn motor and sub-frame mounts, worn steering and suspension bushings and undercarriage rust as the car becomes older. There is also a problem with the sub-frame cracking at the lower control arm mounting. There is a weld in bracket fix that he should check for.
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The narcississim runs deep in that one, eh Mash? :D
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The narcississim runs deep in that one, eh Mash? :D
Tell me about it.
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I was off by one number, no I wasn't wrong saying that the 4100 engine is the worst engine ever produced by GM and ever will be.
You stuck your SAP(self appointed professional) nose in again just as you did in the jeep thread not to long ago. Wake up call is " you really don't know everything!" Funny your a SAP jeep tech and a mercedes benz SAP.....LMAO :lol
I have a 2002 Dodge Caravan also, is that junk, is the tranny good in that one?
you never originally said a single word about the 4.1L. you were trying to insist that your car had a 4.3L untill i came on here with facts, and proved you wrong.
and my 97 grand caravan made it to 178k miles with no transmission problems. it's gonna get a junk yard tranny in the next month or so.........
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The narcississim runs deep in that one, eh Mash? :D
wonder if it's beet over here trolling.
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wonder if it's beet over here trolling.
It isn't. Todd was at the Dayton Gathering, back in July.
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It isn't. Todd was at the Dayton Gathering, back in July.
aahh...rgr that. thought his little sidestep looked like it is all...... :bhead
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aahh...rgr that. thought his little sidestep looked like it is all...... :bhead
Nah. Beet1e would have managed a: "Well the climate change going from Sussex to Manchester was such that the power steering fluid coagulated and I still don't have to change my oil for another 20,000 miles", or something similar. :rock
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Nah. Beet1e would have managed a: "Well the climate change going from Sussex to Manchester was such that the power steering fluid coagulated and I still don't have to change my oil for another 20,000 miles", or something similar. :rock
:rofl :rofl
thankfully i didn't have a mouthful of drink when i read that. :rofl :aok
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Nah. Beet1e would have managed a: "Well the climate change going from Sussex to Manchester was such that the power steering fluid coagulated and I still don't have to change my oil for another 20,000 miles", or something similar. :rock
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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(http://i532.photobucket.com/albums/ee322/joneshouse3/amc_pacer.jpg)
Not my actual car. Mine wasn't in that good of shape. Like driving around in a big/medium sized fishbowl.
Coogan
Wasnt this the same body for a Gremlin? :rofl
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It was this one
The 1986 Cadillac had: Type: 90-degree, overhead valve V-8. Aluminum block and cast iron heads. Displacement: 249 cu in (4.1 liters) Bore & stroke: 3.47 x 3.31 in Compression ratio: 8.5:1 Brake horsepower: 135 hp (101 kW) at 4200 rpm Torque: 200 lbf·ft (270 N·m) at 2200 rpm Five main bearings Hydraulic valve lifters TBI VIN Code: 8
Did I just read that Detroit made a 4.1 liter engine with the horsepower of my sisters scooter? Typo or I am not reading this right?
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Dude, Chevy made 5.0l with 190 horse power. You wonder why they had to be bailed out?
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Dude, Chevy made 5.0l with 190 horse power. You wonder why they had to be bailed out?
Please tell me you guys are kidding :confused:
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Please tell me you guys are kidding :confused:
Nope. Cap of course will tell you that it was the best engine ever :)
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Nope. Cap of course will tell you that it was the best engine ever :)
WOW, and people buy these things? :rofl :rofl :rofl
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Dude, Chevy made 5.0l with 190 horse power. You wonder why they had to be bailed out?
ford built 5 liters with less than that....they didn't need bailing out.....just sayin.......
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Please tell me you guys are kidding :confused:
nope. in the 70's when the pollution crap really started to take hold, they didn't know how to make power, and run clean at the same time. they messed with ignition timing, valve timing, compression ratios, a ton of power robbing pollution control stuff..........
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Nope. Cap of course will tell you that it was the best engine ever :)
i will now...........ford 5 liter 440 hp. ford 5.4 liter over 700 hp. ford 4.2(i think) liter v-6 305 hp. gm 6 liter(they've almost always need to go bigger to match fords hp ratings) i think in the 450 hp range. supposedly the new 6.2 liter supercharged will be around 600 to 650 hp.
i love these things.
i hated working on those 70's pos's though.....
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I suck when it comes to mechanical talk, but I like the 5.4L. It's what's in my F-150, and I've never had any problems (regular driving, towing, mud, anything). Don't know what my experience amounts to, but I said it anyway :D
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ford built 5 liters with less than that....they didn't need bailing out.....just sayin.......
Fords product is accepted and respected all over the world........ that's why they didn't need bailing out....just sayin.....
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Fords product is accepted and respected all over the world........ that's why they didn't need bailing out....just sayin.....
they also trimmed a lot of "fat" years ago, when they saw this current stuff coming down the road.
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they also trimmed a lot of "fat" years ago, when they saw this current stuff coming down the road.
They took Boeing's home grown, next-in-line CEO and gave him a job offer that Boeing wouldn't. We sure do miss Mulally.
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They took Boeing's home grown, next-in-line CEO and gave him a job offer that Boeing wouldn't. We sure do miss Mulally.
that i didn't know.......
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i will now...........ford 5 liter 440 hp. ford 5.4 liter over 700 hp. ford 4.2(i think) liter v-6 305 hp. gm 6 liter(they've almost always need to go bigger to match fords hp ratings) i think in the 450 hp range. supposedly the new 6.2 liter supercharged will be around 600 to 650 hp.
i love these things.
i hated working on those 70's pos's though.....
We all aware of Ford achievements, especially in racing. Thank you:)
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the reliant robin is the worst car ever, what were they thinking only using 3 wheels, a must see video
http://www.wimp.com/reliantrobin/ (http://www.wimp.com/reliantrobin/)
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that i didn't know.......
I've met the guy in person. He was genuine. After the Harry and Phil kabosh in 2003-2005, Mulally was passed over twice for CEO. Boeing shafted him. Glad to see him move on and become a successful CEO, as an "In your face" to Boeing.
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I've met the guy in person. He was genuine. After the Harry and Phil kabosh in 2003-2005, Mulally was passed over twice for CEO. Boeing shafted him. Glad to see him move on and become a successful CEO, as an "In your face" to Boeing.
that's part of why i don't much care for bigger companies. they always seem to shaft their good people sooner or later.
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little ones do it just as much Cap.. it just doesn't make the papers
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You would be incorrect, but that isn't too surprising.
I guess my father's stories weren't all true...
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Morgan made 3 wheel cars
(http://www.roadweb.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/morgan.jpg)
and they were even raced
(http://www.gregwilliams.ca/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/Morgan_Historic.jpg)
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... and according to my dad and his mates they were great fun :aok my godfather built a replica couple of years ago, drives it all the time :)
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The AMC Concorde and Eagle 4X4 versions.
Chevy Lumina--any model
Chevy--Chevette
Chevy Luv trucks
The Vega
and most importantly the late 70's early 80's Nova's with the Uni-body. Evryone of those you see is dog tracking down the road with a bent frame.
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The AMC Concorde and Eagle 4X4 versions.
Chevy Lumina--any model
Chevy--Chevette
Chevy Luv trucks
The Vega
and most importantly the late 70's early 80's Nova's with the Uni-body. Evryone of those you see is dog tracking down the road with a bent frame.
v-6 lumina, was a decent car. chevette.......eehh........i never worked on the chevy luv trucks, so i don't know. everyone i knew that had a vega had v-8's and they kicked ass.
anf fyi.......the nova's didn't have a frame.
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My last car was a 99 Lumina LTZ with the 3.8 V6. It was a great car that I really liked. It lasted me for years and had nothing go wrong with it at all. It finally got taken out by the girlfriend driving it to work when it had a coolant leak. It was a really good, solid, tough car.
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Trabant 601 wins, hands down. I actually own one :rock 27 hp, max speed 50mph, small like nuthing else (maybe Polski Fiat 126p), and always goes kaputt. Anyone seen the fil Black cat - whit cat by Emir Kusturica? Its a hog eaing a Trabant 601 couse its made from paper. I also own a Lada Niva, but that car rocks, best off-road machine, never got stuck in mud with it.
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When I met my wife she had a 1991 Lumina four door with the V-6. I put five fuel pumps in that car.
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When I met my wife she had a 1991 Lumina four door with the V-6. I put five fuel pumps in that car.
then one of three things happened.
1) you did it wrong
2) you got defective pumps(highly unlikely)
3) she had a habit of running the tank dry.
correction.......4 possibilities......
4)you used junkyard parts.
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then one of three things happened.
1) you did it wrong
2) you got defective pumps(highly unlikely)
3) she had a habit of running the tank dry.
correction.......4 possibilities......
4)you used junkyard parts.
5) Its just POS car :rofl
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5) Its just POS car :rofl
Ding ding ding! what do we have for him Johnny????
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Ding ding ding! what do we have for him Johnny????
a slip telling him and you that #5 is indeed the wrong answer. :aok
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:rofl CAP!!
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a slip telling him and you that #5 is indeed the wrong answer. :aok
Running dry tank cost her 5 fuel pumps? Phenomenal fuel pump quality there Cap.
It was poorly engineered car with 5 life threatening recalls.
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Running dry tank cost her 5 fuel pumps? Phenomenal fuel pump quality there Cap.
It was poorly engineered car with 5 life threatening recalls.
I presume you work on cars for a living? thus, i can also presume that you know why the fuel pump is placed in the fuel tank?
actually, i think the dude's fishing.
i also forgot that he could've been replacing the pump, and leaving a restricted fuel filter in place. that'll kill a pump in short order too.
i've driven luminas, i've worked on em, and never seen a person unhappy with their ownership of a lumina....even that ugly assed lumina apv, which i don't personally like.
i can't so much say the same of some of my friends/customers that own.....ooooo.....i dunno.......audi a-6, audi tt......well....pretty much never met a person that didn't regret their purchase of an audi.......but that's not what we're talking about.
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Every time time you say "I've done this and that" which do you a lot , doesn't make true. As a matter of fact if someone self proclaims himself as "awesome" car specialist ,again which you do that a lot than most likely his skill is below average:) You need to dial it down.
FYI fuel pump located inside the fuel tank mainly because it is less likely to start a fire, there is no oxygen. It's not for cooling. There are older cars with external fuel pumps, they don't overheat.
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Every time time you say "I've done this and that" which do you a lot , doesn't make true. As a matter of fact if someone self proclaims himself as "awesome" car specialist ,again which you do that a lot than most likely his skill is below average:) You need to dial it down.
FYI fuel pump located inside the fuel tank mainly because it is less likely to start a fire, there is no oxygen. It's not for cooling. There are older cars with external fuel pumps, they don't overheat.
the intank pump is indeed in there for cooling. there is also oxygen in the tank. it's in that funny thing called air.
the design of the pump dictates where it's mounted. the small size of most pumps subtracts from its ability to shed heat....thus....place it into a naturally cold liquid.
there are plenty of fords out there that use frame mounted pumps, with never a problem. we put them on hot rods too. these pumps are significantly larger than the ones located inside the fuel tank.
and i've never said i'm "awesome". i say what i say based on 28 years of experience of working on anything that fits in my bays.
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the intank pump is indeed in there for cooling. there is also oxygen in the tank. it's in that funny thing called air.
the design of the pump dictates where it's mounted. the small size of most pumps subtracts from its ability to shed heat....thus....place it into a naturally cold liquid.
there are plenty of fords out there that use frame mounted pumps, with never a problem. we put them on hot rods too. these pumps are significantly larger than the ones located inside the fuel tank.
and i've never said i'm "awesome". i say what i say based on 28 years of experience of working on anything that fits in my bays.
28 years of experience and you think there is air in fuel tank? You even worse than i thought:)
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CAP, these days people think you are self-proclaiming yourself to awesome when you reveal the slightest bit of knowledge. It's usually sparked from jealousy or lack of knowledge. I have read the majority of your posts in here and not once have I thought you were claiming any "awesomeness.". In fact, it makes me wish I knew more about mechanical stuff and cars so I could actually help with the race car instead of cleaning, grinding tires, and working the jack.
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28 years of experience and you think there is air in fuel tank? You even worse than i thought:)
When a tank is half full of fuel, what makes up the volume of the other half?..this should be interesting.
shamus
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I know absolutely nothing about cars, but since air isn't in the tank, I'm gonna guess that the other half is empty space...or a vacuum? Just a shot in the dark there lol
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When a tank is half full of fuel, what makes up the volume of the other half?..this should be interesting.
shamus
Vapors Shamus, there is pressure or vacuum inside the fuel tank. We even have pressue sensors working with the purge valves and other EVAP bullcrap:)
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When a tank is half full of fuel, what makes up the volume of the other half?..this should be interesting.
shamus
YOU BEAT ME TO IT.
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Vapors Shamus, there is pressure or vacuum inside the fuel tank. We even have pressue sensors working with the purge valves and other EVAP bullcrap:)
YES, there is vapor, and air. when there is pressure applied, where do you think it comes from? what purpose does the vent valve serve?
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The worst car I ever owned was a 1984 Ford Mustang LX notchback with the 3.8l V6. Wow. throttle position sensor...crap. oil seals....crap. economy...crap. seats...crap. paint...uber mega, galactic...crap.
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The worst car I ever owned was a 1984 Ford Mustang LX notchback with the 3.8l V6. Wow. throttle position sensor...crap. oil seals....crap. economy...crap. seats...crap. paint...uber mega, galactic...crap.
those 3.8's sucked. they leaked oil almost from new.
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YES, there is vapor, and air. when there is pressure applied, where do you think it comes from? what purpose does the vent valve serve?
Seals the EVAP system for the inspection and maintenance test , also for OBDII leak and pressure tests.
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:rofl. :rofl
Btw, how does siphon work? :uhoh
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Seals the EVAP system for the inspection and maintenance test , also for OBDII leak and pressure tests.
those would be served by the LDP.
the vent valve vents(get it? vents?) air in as the gasoline is used. do you not remember the problems with the early 80's cadillacs that would act like a bad fuel pump.....till you removed the fuel cap, allowing air to vent into the tank?
if air is not allowed into the system, then the tank will cave in to a point, just as on those cadis, and the car will not run.
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CAP, these days people think you are self-proclaiming yourself to awesome when you reveal the slightest bit of knowledge. It's usually sparked from jealousy or lack of knowledge. I have read the majority of your posts in here and not once have I thought you were claiming any "awesomeness.". In fact, it makes me wish I knew more about mechanical stuff and cars so I could actually help with the race car instead of cleaning, grinding tires, and working the jack.
kinda like the person that finds something to be pissed about in everything?
if you're working on a race car? keep at it. when your work is caught up, hover over the other guys. stay back outta their way, but keep your nose in so you can see what they're doing. once they see you've got an interest in advancing, they'll open up, and show ya stuff......and before ya know it, you'll be top of the food chain. :aok
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Yup, good advice right there Banshee.
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Yup, good advice right there Banshee.
no it's not.....
it's AWESOME ADVICE. :devil :angel: :bolt:
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those would be served by the LDP.
the vent valve vents(get it? vents?) air in as the gasoline is used. do you not remember the problems with the early 80's cadillacs that would act like a bad fuel pump.....till you removed the fuel cap, allowing air to vent into the tank?
if air is not allowed into the system, then the tank will cave in to a point, just as on those cadis, and the car will not run.
wow so many ...
Some cars have LD Pumps some don't. Hyundai for example doesn't use pump for testing Evap. Cap vent valve (yes i get it) vents canister, not fuel tank.
Tank doesn't need to be vented because vaporised fuel creates enough pressues as it is, fuel tank is SEALED. That's why we have "Evap leak" codes if there is leak it the fuel tank. If it were your way (vent valve venting fuel tank) MIL would on constantly.
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CAP, these days people think you are self-proclaiming yourself to awesome when you reveal the slightest bit of knowledge. It's usually sparked from jealousy or lack of knowledge. I have read the majority of your posts in here and not once have I thought you were claiming any "awesomeness.". In fact, it makes me wish I knew more about mechanical stuff and cars so I could actually help with the race car instead of cleaning, grinding tires, and working the jack.
OK sunshine you said yourself that you have very limited knowledge of cars. So you in no position to judge who's lacking or not any knowledge, or in simple words just- shush.
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wow so many ...
Some cars have LD Pumps some don't. Hyundai for example doesn't use pump for testing Evap. Cap vent valve vents (yes i get it) vents canister, not fuel tank.
Tank doesn't need to be vented because vaporised fuel creates enough pressues as it is, fuel tank is SEALED. That's why we have "Evap leak" codes if there is leak it the fuel tank. If it were your way (vent valve venting fuel tank) MIL would on constantly.
based on the early cadis, fuel vapor does not create enough pressure in the system.
there is air in the tank. i know they're sealed, but air is brought into the system.
most evap codes are caused by someone running their car while fueling up, or(in the case of gm, and nissan) bad vent or purge valves.
just had a suburban a couple of weeks ago that had a stuck open vent valve. had a taurus(the same one that i pictured that heater hose assembly for)shortly after that truck......had a bad purge line.
i know not all have LDP;s. i used to replace a lot of them on chryslers about 8 years ago. they always seemed to go bad. probably due to placement.
the point is that there is indeed air in the tank. there is no way to keep it out.
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KgB: I don't have to have a knowledge in cars to see one's posting habits, personality, etc... Sweet pea. This isn't the first time I've seen you post negative crap in one of CAP's thread.
CAP: thanks for the advice. The majority of the stuff I do with the race car is in between races in the pits. I try as much as possible to get involved and try to learn as much as possible (considering, as I've said before, there's a good chance I'll be racing in the next few years.
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So, what I get from this thread is that Detroit has been feeding people crap for years and years. When people finally had enough, they made it so you would look like you were not a good American if you did not buy the crap they produced. It seems to me that it worked so well, people fall in love with that crap and will defend it no matter what. Then, at some point, the government came in to punish the people that did a good job and reward the companies that basically screwed people for so long and to make sure the sloppy employees responsible for producing the crap used to take advantage of consumers, were able to maintain their high paying jobs. Excellent!!!! I think I will make it a point not to ever own anything made in Detroit. Plus, I got a good lesson from owning a Mustang for 4 years lol.
Sorry, I just cant get passed the the 4 liter engine producing 135hp
So, in conclusion. Worst car ever: Anything made in Detroit? :lol
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a slip telling him and you that #5 is indeed the wrong answer. :aok
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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KgB: I don't have to have a knowledge in cars to see one's posting habits, personality, etc... Sweet pea. This isn't the first time I've seen you post negative crap in one of CAP's thread.
CAP: thanks for the advice. The majority of the stuff I do with the race car is in between races in the pits. I try as much as possible to get involved and try to learn as much as possible (considering, as I've said before, there's a good chance I'll be racing in the next few years.
I post negative crap because he's wrong half the time:)
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based on the early cadis, fuel vapor does not create enough pressure in the system.
there is air in the tank. i know they're sealed, but air is brought into the system.
most evap codes are caused by someone running their car while fueling up, or(in the case of gm, and nissan) bad vent or purge valves.
just had a suburban a couple of weeks ago that had a stuck open vent valve. had a taurus(the same one that i pictured that heater hose assembly for)shortly after that truck......had a bad purge line.
i know not all have LDP;s. i used to replace a lot of them on chryslers about 8 years ago. they always seemed to go bad. probably due to placement.
the point is that there is indeed air in the tank. there is no way to keep it out.
Air brought into canister Cap, canister :bhead
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KgB: I still fail to see how someone can be wrong half the time and stay in business for so long. If CAP has been in the business for as long as he says he has (and I believe CAP), then he should have a good bit of knowledge and experience, right?
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I post negative crap because he's wrong half the time:)
Perhaps instead of posting negatively it would be more beneficial for those of us that are ignorant of anything more involved than changing spark plugs and oil if you would post a dissenting point of view. Short of that I'd say silence would be golden.
As an aside I've asked Caps advice on many things regarding issues on my car and have yet to have gotten an incorrect answer.
Good day sir.
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KgB: I still fail to see how someone can be wrong half the time and stay in business for so long. If CAP has been in the business for as long as he says he has (and I believe CAP), then he should have a good bit of knowledge and experience, right?
i've only been in business for 3 years this coming march 7th. i've been in the field for 28 years.
i fully admit i can and have been wrong when i am. i come up on problems very very often that i do not know about, and that's when i bury my face in the manual(on the computer, which is something i could easilhy start another complaining thread about), and learn what i need to to repair the problem.
more often than not, i only need my scanner(to activate or de-activate solenoids) and my power probe to find most problems.
i have a 78 ford f-150 sitting in the bay, that i actually had trouble figuring out why it's failing for hc.........because it's been too dam long since i've worked on somethign this simple.
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So, what I get from this thread is that Detroit has been feeding people crap for years and years. When people finally had enough, they made it so you would look like you were not a good American if you did not buy the crap they produced. It seems to me that it worked so well, people fall in love with that crap and will defend it no matter what. Then, at some point, the government came in to punish the people that did a good job and reward the companies that basically screwed people for so long and to make sure the sloppy employees responsible for producing the crap used to take advantage of consumers, were able to maintain their high paying jobs. Excellent!!!! I think I will make it a point not to ever own anything made in Detroit. Plus, I got a good lesson from owning a Mustang for 4 years lol.
Sorry, I just cant get passed the the 4 liter engine producing 135hp
So, in conclusion. Worst car ever: Anything made in Detroit? :lol
it was a 5.0 liter 135hp. :D
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See Rule #4
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KGB: I still fail to see how someone can be wrong half the time and stay in business for so long. If CAP has been in the business for as long as he says he has (and I believe CAP), then he should have a good bit of knowledge and experience, right?
Let me rephrase myself,I post negative crap when he's wrong. Old timers always have difficulties learning new things. New cars are basically computers on wheels.
I said it before i admit that i will never be able to compete with him in Genaral car knowledge, welding skills. There's plenty old school tricks that he probably knows and i don't, but when it comes to new stuff he's little behind. It's no surprise. To run bussines, provide for family, parents not getting any younger theres is just no time or desire to learn all that crap.
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Let me rephrase myself,I post negative crap when he's wrong. Old timers always have difficulties learning new things. New cars are basically computers on wheels.
I said it before i admit that i will never be able to compete with him in Genaral car knowledge, welding skills. There's plenty old school tricks that he probably knows and i don't, but when it comes to new stuff he's little behind. It's no surprise. To run bussines, provide for family, parents not getting any younger theres is just no time or desire to learn all that crap.
You sure are making a ton of assumptions there. Have you tried asking him questions first?
I might be old, but asking questions seems to be the best way to establish a solid intellectual exchange.
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See Rule #4
You know ,I've been more or less polite with Cap because he seems to possess car knowledge, but you...Please in future spare me that Heresy. I'll never post anything negative about Cap if Cap himself explains him what evap is really for.
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You sure are making a ton of assumptions there. Have you tried asking him questions first?
I might be old, but asking questions seems to be the best way to establish a solid intellectual exchange.
You the same way Skuzz. It's impossible to prove you wrong.
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In fact, it makes me wish I knew more about mechanical stuff and cars so I could actually help with the race car instead of cleaning, grinding tires, and working the jack.
Josh, just remember that the tires are one of the most important items for dirt track cars.
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You the same way Skuzz. It's impossible to prove you wrong.
I try my best not to make assumptions about things. It is quite possible to prove me wrong, when I am wrong. I have no concerns in admitting when I am wrong.
I also try to make sure I make it clear when I state an opinion, versus a fact.
There is one thing I note about you. There have been times when semantics was more the issue, rather than the actual topic. That is my observed opinion. Only you would be able to shed any light as to why that may be.
I am guilty of the same thing, from time to time. Either from reading too much into what was said, or not reading enough into what was said is what triggers it for me.
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Skuzzy, are you still working with the Cobras?
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Let me rephrase myself,I post negative crap when he's wrong. Old timers always have difficulties learning new things. New cars are basically computers on wheels.
I said it before i admit that i will never be able to compete with him in Genaral car knowledge, welding skills. There's plenty old school tricks that he probably knows and i don't, but when it comes to new stuff he's little behind. It's no surprise. To run bussines, provide for family, parents not getting any younger theres is just no time or desire to learn all that crap.
trust me.......i know whatr i'm doing.....and i know what i can't do too.......
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Skuzzy, are you still working with the Cobras?
You bet. I have quite a bit going on there.
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Skuzzy, are you still working with the Cobras?
don't make him go there......i get jealous, and drool all over my keyboard every time he talks about them.........
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Me too CAP...me too. Then I walk out to the garage and stare at my Mustang considering calling Factory 5.
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Skuzzy I know you're busy and all but I'd love to hear a story or two.
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Me too CAP...me too. Then I walk out to the garage and stare at my Mustang considering calling Factory 5.
i had already installed the entire driveline from my wrecked 89gt(low 12 second car) into my 78 fairmont futura. everything. including the EEC4.
if i thought i had the money, i'd be on the phone to factory 5 myself........
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Skuzzy I know you're busy and all but I'd love to hear a story or two.
i'd like a little cobra porn myself........ :noid :noid
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You know ,I've been more or less polite with Cap because he seems to possess car knowledge, but you...Please in future spare me that Heresy. I'll never post anything negative about Cap if Cap himself explains him what evap is really for.
evap is to help keep the polar bears from falling out of the sky.
evap is to help stop killing the trees.
and i'll post the real answer tonight when i get home.......more time to type. :aok
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:cry
I just found a mint 77 Cutlass Salon that sold for $4500.. I would have JUMPED on that.
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Well, we have two big gatherings coming up. The state wide gathering in San Marcos is coming up, and then we have the annual race event at Texas Motor Speedway in College Station.
The San Marcos gathering is the largest of its kind (I am pretty certain of that). We expect around 140 Cobras to be there. The College Station gathering is smaller, as it is more for racing than anything else. Looks like a Corvette club is scheduled to be there the same time. Last year it was a Porsche club. Should be a hoot!
I have been busy getting my work space in order to start my personal build. The engine is almost done. First dyno pass yielded 576HP @ 6200RPM and 543 ft/lbs of torque at 5900RPM. Not bad for a street engine (389ci Windsor with Cleveland mains : i.e. Ford's BOSS 351 block). I am going to dial back the cam a bit to move the torque curve lower. I know it will reduce the horsepower, but I would rather have a flatter curve, starting earlier, than what I have right now. I figure two more tests and I will have what I want.
Then again, I am bouncing between the Twisted Wedge and AFR heads, so it may take a couple more runs.
It will be enough to motivate the 2200 pound car to a reasonable level of acceleration and speed. I am dropping a 6 speed Tremec behind it with 3:73 gears (9 inch Ford). If I can get the rear end to hook up, it should go down the road quite nicely. :)
And in side news, I went down to Houston a few weeks ago to do a complete rewire of a Cobra. It was a mess.
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okay I need a cigarette now..
Thanks Skuzzy :aok
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Well, we have two big gatherings coming up. The state wide gathering in San Marcos is coming up, and then we have the annual race event at Texas Motor Speedway in College Station.
The San Marcos gathering is the largest of its kind (I am pretty certain of that). We expect around 140 Cobras to be there. The College Station gathering is smaller, as it is more for racing than anything else. Looks like a Corvette club is scheduled to be there the same time. Last year it was a Porsche club. Should be a hoot!
I have been busy getting my work space in order to start my personal build. The engine is almost done. First dyno pass yielded 576HP @ 6200RPM and 543 ft/lbs of torque at 5900RPM. Not bad for a street engine (389ci Windsor with Cleveland mains : i.e. Ford's BOSS 351 block). I am going to dial back the cam a bit to move the torque curve lower. I know it will reduce the horsepower, but I would rather have a flatter curve, starting earlier, than what I have right now. I figure two more tests and I will have what I want.
Then again, I am bouncing between the Twisted Wedge and AFR heads, so it may take a couple more runs.
It will be enough to motivate the 2200 pound car to a reasonable level of acceleration and speed. I am dropping a 6 speed Tremec behind it with 3:73 gears (9 inch Ford). If I can get the rear end to hook up, it should go down the road quite nicely. :)
And in side news, I went down to Houston a few weeks ago to do a complete rewire of a Cobra. It was a mess.
couple years ago, there was a guy at atco. he had a cobra kit with a 514 crate motor in it. slept on the line something fierce. he clutched it like he was street driving. every gear blew the rear tires away. he went through the traps at a low 11 second pass, nearly 130mph. babying it. you're gonna have funnnnnnnnnnnnnnn
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Well, we have two big gatherings coming up. The state wide gathering in San Marcos is coming up, and then we have the annual race event at Texas Motor Speedway in College Station.
The San Marcos gathering is the largest of its kind (I am pretty certain of that). We expect around 140 Cobras to be there. The College Station gathering is smaller, as it is more for racing than anything else. Looks like a Corvette club is scheduled to be there the same time. Last year it was a Porsche club. Should be a hoot!
I have been busy getting my work space in order to start my personal build. The engine is almost done. First dyno pass yielded 576HP @ 6200RPM and 543 ft/lbs of torque at 5900RPM. Not bad for a street engine (389ci Windsor with Cleveland mains : i.e. Ford's BOSS 351 block). I am going to dial back the cam a bit to move the torque curve lower. I know it will reduce the horsepower, but I would rather have a flatter curve, starting earlier, than what I have right now. I figure two more tests and I will have what I want.
Then again, I am bouncing between the Twisted Wedge and AFR heads, so it may take a couple more runs.
It will be enough to motivate the 2200 pound car to a reasonable level of acceleration and speed. I am dropping a 6 speed Tremec behind it with 3:73 gears (9 inch Ford). If I can get the rear end to hook up, it should go down the road quite nicely. :)
And in side news, I went down to Houston a few weeks ago to do a complete rewire of a Cobra. It was a mess.
Voooommmmm!!! :banana:
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Skuzzy, what kit did you decide to go with and why? Probably should be a new thread, but there are some of us out there that might be close to pulling the trigger. Factory Five seems to have a good rep.
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couple years ago, there was a guy at atco. he had a cobra kit with a 514 crate motor in it. slept on the line something fierce. he clutched it like he was street driving. every gear blew the rear tires away. he went through the traps at a low 11 second pass, nearly 130mph. babying it. you're gonna have funnnnnnnnnnnnnnn
Ohhh, I know. One of my friends has a 427ci SBF with 515HP. I have driven it and ridden in it at over 165MPH. If I get my suspension set right, I should be able to show him my tail lights (they will be bright :)) on the track.
I have also added a 4'x4' vacuum table to my array of tools. Being able to make non-structural parts from ABS is going to result in a decent weight loss for many of the Cobras.
Skuzzy, what kit did you decide to go with and why? Probably should be a new thread, but there are some of us out there that might be close to pulling the trigger. Factory Five seems to have a good rep.
I am going with a Lonestar LSC427 kit. Longer wheelbase and bigger footbox. Factory Five finally fixed the bumblebee butt they had for years. Now it looks a lot better. It is a good kit, but be ready to buy an air or electric rivet gun. There are a bazillion rivets to deal with.
All kits have pros and cons. Lonestar wins most car shows for best in class. They really nailed the look and got the proportions right. It is not without its warts. You have to expect it with any kit.
Lonestar also makes thier kit here in Texas a few miles from where I live. I know the owner well and he is a good guy.
Every builder has to make the choice and it usually goes to what each person wants out of the car.
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Josh, just remember that the tires are one of the most important items for dirt track cars.
Yeah, you're right. There's so many regulations on those things now. Some series want you to run Hoosier on all 4, some want you to race a hoosier on the right rear, other don't care, some won't let you sipe, some won't let you grind the tires (but will let you clean the mud off). I just do what I'm told! lol
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Yea we get it too. World of Outlaws we havve to run Goodyears, All-Stars we have to run Goodyears, and everything else we get to run Hoosiers. I hate the GYs, pain in the arse to groove and sipe, super pain in the arse to dismount after a session.
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corvette zr1 lmfao
The new ZR1s actually surpassed corvette expectations. Most of the reviews i've seen have all said good about it. I do agree about the old ones though haha a joke
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Yea we get it too. World of Outlaws we havve to run Goodyears, All-Stars we have to run Goodyears, and everything else we get to run Hoosiers. I hate the GYs, pain in the arse to groove and sipe, super pain in the arse to dismount after a session.
Do you know where you closest race to West TN is this year? I'm assuming MO. I haven't looked at the schedule yet
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(http://library.route66rambler.com/1970%20Gremlin%20Introductory%20Ad/1970GremlinIntroAd.jpg)
:D.... :D..... :D..... :D..... :D
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there was a gremlin X running around here last summer.
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This engine gets from 0-60mph in 15.3 seconds, the pickup you need on expressways.
I hope it had decent brakes with that kind of performance :uhoh
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543 ft/lbs of torque at 5900RPM
are you doing any chassis strengthening mods? I imagine 543lbft would twist it quite effectively :D
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I hope it had decent brakes with that kind of performance :uhoh
ya know? i never timed it, but i think my prism may be faster than that. :noid
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are you doing any chassis strengthening mods? I imagine 543lbft would twist it quite effectively :D
The cars frame is rated to 1000ft/lbs of torque with less than +/-.25" of deviation.
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The cars frame is rated to 1000ft/lbs of torque with less than +/-.25" of deviation.
Wow thats like 1 mm of flex at 1000LBs of torque,quite impressive!
Personally I'd be more inclined to build a speedster but there's no replacement for displacement!!!
:salute
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Wow thats like 1 mm of flex at 1000LBs of torque,quite impressive!
Personally I'd be more inclined to build a speedster but there's no replacement for displacement!!!
:salute
if i did one of them, i'd keep with my small block. it won't match the brute force of the bigger engine........but it'll still be a boatload of fun.
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When you can punch a small block to 460ci, a big block becomes a moot point, unless you want more cubic inches.
Of course, the practical limit to the Ford small block is really around 410ci due to rod to stroke ratios in a block with a 9" deck and 4.185 (max) bore.
Yes, big blocks are fun. Get more grunt at lower RPMs, which also make it much tougher to launch. They are also heavier and more expensive to build. There are fewer high performance parts for them as well.
I have seen my far share of Cobras flip ends due to the owner being a bit to liberal with the gas pedal. Those small blocks really do have more than enough power to bridge street and track.
The fastest Cobra in the world is located in New Zealand. The builder dropped in a 1200HP V12 AMG engine. I cannot imagine what that is like to drive.
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you know everytime the lumina acted up I hooked a fuel pressure tester gauge to the fuel line and tested for pressure. Evrytime it was the fuel pump. I put a new fuel filter on(of course while it's out) and cleaned out the tank to check for debri. The problem was the pumps I was being given at the local Autozone. I asked for the $189.99 pump and was given the $59.99 pump. SEDan who used to be on the bishops is a district manager for Autozone and told me that 98.9% of theft from an Autozone store is the employee's pulling switch a roo's like they did on me. Needless to say that store has been off my list of places to go for parts forever!
Still a POS car, especially the Lumina Van
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autozone....that just answered a LOT of questions.
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you know everytime the lumina acted up I hooked a fuel pressure tester gauge to the fuel line and tested for pressure. Evrytime it was the fuel pump. I put a new fuel filter on(of course while it's out) and cleaned out the tank to check for debri. The problem was the pumps I was being given at the local Autozone. I asked for the $189.99 pump and was given the $59.99 pump. SEDan who used to be on the bishops is a district manager for Autozone and told me that 98.9% of theft from an Autozone store is the employee's pulling switch a roo's like they did on me. Needless to say that store has been off my list of places to go for parts forever!
Still a POS car, especially the Lumina Van
:rofl Sorry, but that's some funny stuff right there. It's the Indian, not the arrow. The car (and I'm a Ford guy) was a very good seller/reliable car for GM. This quoted issue was NOT the fault of the car.
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:rofl Sorry, but that's some funny stuff right there. It's the Indian, not the arrow. The car (and I'm a Ford guy) was a very good seller/reliable car for GM. This quoted issue was NOT the fault of the car.
i'm still thinking he's from another board trolling us.
oh yea....i nailed it in my original reply to his fuel pump problem.......take note kgb sir. :aok
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ok...this is kgb's answer. it's kinda long. did i miss anything?
here goes.......
the EVAP system was put in place to prevent HC emissions.
the fuel tank venting to the atmosphere was found to be the biggest single cause of hydrocarbon emissions from a motor vehicle(actually putting gas in your car was #2, now#1).
gasoline is a naturally cold liquid. the reason for this, i admit that i don't know, but i know it stays cold. it evaporates rather easily, and quickly. this also caused motorists to waste considerable money, as it was literally evaporating out of their cars.
enter the EVAP system. early systems were pretty simple. a charcoal canister, a purge control valve, and a vent control valve. they were also operated by vacuum. it worked, but not always as it should, as evidenced by the early 80's cadillacs that had a tendency to suck the tank in on itself when something failed in the system.
the EVAP systems main purpose is to prevent system leaks, resulting in hydrocarbons entering the atmosphere. as the fuel evaporates(from whatever cause, be it temp., moving the vehicle, etc), it is captured into the charcoal canister. it is then stored there until such time as it can be released into the engines air intake system, and burned. again, early systems worked, but not nearly as efficiently as they do today.
they were, and still are prone to leaks. the older systems really had no way of self testing for this. the modern systems test for this often. they can/will test while the car is driving, and then can/will also test while the car is turned off and parked.
the engine control system(OBD2) has several codes for the EVAP system. it can detect a leak down to smaller than .020 of an inch. these leaks are classified as small, medium, large, and gross. i forget the exact numbers, but i'm doing this out of memory.
as fuel is taken out of the fuel tank, something must replace it. air is vented in as this happens.
again....on older systems, this was done differently. fuel filler caps were sealed to prevent leaks, but would allow air(much like a 1 way vacuum check valve) to enter. these were always the culprits on the old cadillacs i keep referring to.
on our modern cars, this is done through the charcoal canister, hence the vent control valve on this canister.
when the EEC wants to run a pressure or vacuum test on the system, it closes this vent valve so no air can enter, or escape.
as much as i say bad stuff about engineers.......these engineers that have designed these systems, are top of the line in my book. they overcame a LOT of problems to figure this crap out.
the designers on the other hand(sorry shirly) that decide that under the car directly behind the drivers side back tire is a nice place to mount this vent control valve.......well...i got a few customers that'd like to have some words with him.......
anyway.....now for a few pics......
this one is an early ford set up. i had forgotten about TAB and TAD. those things used to drive me nuts.....but i liked working on that stuff, and most other mechanics i've worked with HATED working on fords, due to the lack of data stream...so i got them.....
(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa135/1LTCAP/fordevapearly.jpg)
this one is from an 8 mustang gt......
(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa135/1LTCAP/88Stang5_0Vacuum.gif)
this one is from an f-150.....
(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa135/1LTCAP/f-150evapsystem.gif)
this one brings me to something i forgot above......the LDP. some makes use the LDP(Leak Detection Pump) in order to pressurize the EVAP system, and i believe this also can pull a vacuum in it. chrysler is big on using this set up. they also go bad a LOT.
(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa135/1LTCAP/EVAPSystemdodge.jpg)
this is just a generic pic to show a system overview.
(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa135/1LTCAP/Canister_vent_valve_L_11152010.jpg)
now......i fully understand how one can make the mistake you're making. it's very easy to do. but you have to remember.......something has to enter the tank as something is removed. if not, the tank will go to a negative pressure, and a couple of things will then happen. first off, the pump will become unable to overcome the vacuum in there, and the engine will shut down due to fuel starvation. the tank will cave in on itself. the worst one i saw, required replacement of the tank. the more common occurrence was that once you allowed air to enter, then the tank would kind of "pop" and resume its normal shape.
and finally.....earlier, you mentioned that you were staying civil towards me, and i do seriously appreciate that. these kinds of discussions can take bad nasty turns rather quickly.
one final note too......on the fuel pump issue. look at the size of the frame mounted pumps as compared to the in-tank units. they're nearly double the size. the smaller pump cannot shed heat fast enough to be mounted outside of the tank. this is also why you'll note a higher failure rate among customers that tend to run their tanks below 1/4 of a tank.
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Don't apologize to me Laverne. I deal with the fabricators and the people in the field every single day of my working life.
We have a saying around my office. 'Just because it works on paper doesn't mean it's the best way to do it' :D
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See Rule #4
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Don't apologize to me Laverne. I deal with the fabricators and the people in the field every single day of my working life.
We have a saying around my office. 'Just because it works on paper doesn't mean it's the best way to do it' :D
well.....you know. i know you design stuff....and some people on this board think i generalize and mean all engineers when i put down engineers......so i figured i'd be sure to clarify that i didn't mean all designers......besides....... i dont wanna wake up with a high heel stuck in my.....uumm.........youknowhw here......
that would be an amazingly long throw, huh?
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See Rule #4
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See Rule #4
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Ditto.
Now if you want to put down a GM Car. The "Quad-4" laden one's would be at the top of my list. :aok
would you believe i have a customer with a 97 malibu equipped with a quad 4? it's got 197k miles on it. the dam car's falling apart around the engine.i friggin hate these engines myself too.......and really can't believe this one's still running. they're noisy, slow, and just generally annoying,
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would you believe i have a customer with a 97 malibu equipped with a quad 4? it's got 197k miles on it. the dam car's falling apart around the engine.i friggin hate these engines myself too.......and really can't believe this one's still running. they're noisy, slow, and just generally annoying,
Ha! A holdout Quad-4. If it's still running at 197k, I'd call a Museum! :rock
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Ha! A holdout Quad-4. If it's still running at 197k, I'd call a Museum! :rock
i just put a new thermostat in it yesterday. i'd rather take it to ft dix's gunnery range. :devil
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achievement of worst aesthetics goes to Fiat LOL
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a2/Fiat_Multipla_front_20080825.jpg)
Yes The Fiat Multipla is the worst Looking car ever,but it have 6 Seats one of the Best Secure systems lot of space full extras and its the 1st Bivalent car that runs with CNG and Gasoline (CNG cost 1liter 95 €cent,Gasoline 1,50 €)
I drove once one and it drives good and Easy to Park cause of the High seat position.
But in Europe its the Worst looking car ever
(http://www.angurten.de/Bilder/fotosets/fiat-multipla-022.jpg)
(http://www.autoplenum.de/Bilder/P/p0005121/FIAT/FIAT-Multipla-JTD-110--2000-2002-.jpg)
(http://www.mit-erdgas-fahren.de/Grafik/Multipla.jpg)
The worst Car in quality and was more in Garage for Repair than on road was my Neighbours Pontiac Trans Sport
At last I saw My Neigbour cry beside the car he screamed that he paid this car for gold by so many repairs.
His Happyest day was when the Car wraker towed away the car.
(http://www.automobile-riekmann.biz/verkauf/pontiac_trans_sport_1992_silber_l.jpg)
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My 99 Pontiac Grand Am has 192k on it and the car is falling apart around it too.
Here is the short list: Evaporator, Front Hub Bearings, RF Caliper, Shifter Knob, Oil
Pan Gasket, Alignment, Washer Fluid Reservoir, Both O2 Sensors Struts, and
Strut Mounts
Its been rear-ended twice to the tune of 1,100 odd dollars a pop yet the only
damage was a cracked bumper around the plate area. In the 100k that I have
owned it the oils been changed, new calipers, new wheel cylinders, and the plastic
part of the coil pack assembly replaced.
Gotta take care of the oil and they will last for a long time, that and I dont rev mine
hard or really beat on it.
Strip
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My 99 Pontiac Grand Am has 192k on it and the car is falling apart around it too.
Here is the short list: Evaporator, Front Hub Bearings, RF Caliper, Shifter Knob, Oil
Pan Gasket, Alignment, Washer Fluid Reservoir, Both O2 Sensors Struts, and
Strut Mounts
Its been rear-ended twice to the tune of 1,100 odd dollars a pop yet the only
damage was a cracked bumper around the plate area. In the 100k that I have
owned it the oils been changed, new calipers, new wheel cylinders, and the plastic
part of the coil pack assembly replaced.
Gotta take care of the oil and they will last for a long time, that and I dont rev mine
hard or really beat on it.
Strip
don't start on the oil....we'll have an influx of people telling us all why we don't need to change it at all........
tassos......those pictures you posted...the first one.......i can't imagine getting into that mess every morning to drive to work. it looks like they were given an empty interior, tossed some stuff in, then tossed the entire car in the dryer, with some glue.....and where stuff stuck, is where they left it.
:devil
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designers drink too..
keep that in mind next time you're at a baseball game :devil
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designers drink too..
keep that in mind next time you're at a baseball game :devil
i suspect a drunk designer would've done a better job,...... :noid
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ok...this is kgb's answer. it's kinda long. did i miss anything?
gasoline is a naturally cold liquid. the reason for this, i admit that i don't know, but i know it stays cold. it evaporates rather easily, and quickly. this also caused motorists to waste considerable money, as it was literally evaporating out of their cars.
There is no such thing as "naturally cold" liquid.
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There is no such thing as "naturally cold" liquid.
i may have used the wrong terminology.
as a liquid, it is always cold. on a 90 degree day, stick your hand in a bucket of it, and it'll be cold.
like i said......i do not know why it is, and am fairly sure that there's someone here that can tell me why it is.
some of us here can admit when we're wrong, or don't know something..... :aok
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Well there's one misconception shattered. Next thing that's going to happen is somebody is going to admit to asking for directions or worse.. READING THE INSTRUCTION MANUAL.
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There is no such thing as "naturally cold" liquid.
Alcohol (the fuel) is always cold, even when it's 100 degrees outside. I've always wondered why
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There is no such thing as "naturally cold" liquid.
a bucket of petrol will be colder than a bucket of cooking oil because its more volatile, so loses more heat through evaporation ... discuss :D
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It feels cold due to how quick it dissipates thermal energy. Take a bottle of rubbing alcohol and hold it still in your hand. After a few seconds it will feel the same temperature as your hand. Now shake the bottle and it will feel cooler.
When it was still it absorbed the thermal energy from your hand until the local area was the same temperature as your hand. When you shake it, it moves the heated alcohol away from your hand and absorbs more thermal energy faster than your body can generate the heat.
Dipping your hand in it and pulling it out will cause very quick thermal dissipation through evaporation, making it feel cold.
There is a name for the phenomenon, but it eludes me at the moment.
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It feels cold due to how quick it dissipates thermal energy. Take a bottle of rubbing alcohol and hold it still in your hand. After a few seconds it will feel the same temperature as your hand. Now shake the bottle and it will feel cooler.
When it was still it absorbed the thermal energy from your hand until the local area was the same temperature as your hand. When you shake it, it moves the heated alcohol away from your hand and absorbs more thermal energy faster than your body can generate the heat.
There is a name for the phenomenon, but it eludes me at the moment.
Thanks for the explanation Skuzzy. I've always wondered about that.
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It feels cold due to how quick it dissipates thermal energy. Take a bottle of rubbing alcohol and hold it still in your hand. After a few seconds it will feel the same temperature as your hand. Now shake the bottle and it will feel cooler.
When it was still it absorbed the thermal energy from your hand until the local area was the same temperature as your hand. When you shake it, it moves the heated alcohol away from your hand and absorbs more thermal energy faster than your body can generate the heat.
Dipping your hand in it and pulling it out will cause very quick thermal dissipation through evaporation, making it feel cold.
There is a name for the phenomenon, but it eludes me at the moment.
:aok
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Well there's one misconception shattered. Next thing that's going to happen is somebody is going to admit to asking for directions or worse.. READING THE INSTRUCTION MANUAL.
things come with instructions?
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Skuzzy
Why are male dogs unnaturally attracted to fire hydrants?
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i may have used the wrong terminology.
as a liquid, it is always cold. on a 90 degree day, stick your hand in a bucket of it, and it'll be cold.
like i said......i do not know why it is, and am fairly sure that there's someone here that can tell me why it is.
some of us here can admit when we're wrong, or don't know something..... :aok
"In order for a liquid to change into a gas (boil or evaporate) it must absorb energy to make its molecules vibrate fast enough to escape. It does this from its surroundings, in this case your skin. It is called the latent heat of boiling."
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mr kgb sir? you still here? still waiting to see if my explanation meets your standards?
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i suspect a drunk designer would've done a better job,...... :noid
I suspect I can walk 10-feet out of your shop's front door and point to a building or structure off in the distance that will prove otherwise.
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i may have used the wrong terminology.
as a liquid, it is always cold. on a 90 degree day, stick your hand in a bucket of it, and it'll be cold.
like i said......i do not know why it is, and am fairly sure that there's someone here that can tell me why it is.
some of us here can admit when we're wrong, or don't know something..... :aok
Mmmm... couple things it could be. First is that a bucket of gas left in a sunny and warm spot will eventualy just become an empty bucket. Usualy we would put a bucket of gas on the ground in a cool, shady, out of the way spot. So it could be cold simply from being kept on the cold floor in the back corner of your garage. I suspect though you're sensing the cold sensation you feel imediatley after pulling your hand out of the bucket from the rapid evaporation of the liquid to gas on your skin into vapor (much the same with rubing alcohol, it feels really cool as it evaporates off your skin). Liquids that rapidly evaporate do this to skin, precisely why I don't remember from that day in junior high science class, I think it was called thermal discharge or something.
Edit: dern it, Skuzzy beat me to it. :D
"In order for a liquid to change into a gas (boil or evaporate) it must absorb energy to make its molecules vibrate fast enough to escape. It does this from its surroundings, in this case your skin. It is called the latent heat of boiling."
Thanks for the junior high science class flashback, my head hurts now.
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couple of good answers. if i get the time, i'll put a gallon in a can, and put a temp probe in it......
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couple of good answers. if i get the time, i'll put a gallon in a can, and put a temp probe in it......
..must....resist...temptation..... :bhead
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..must....resist...temptation..... :bhead
:devil :neener:
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"Probe it"............:uhoh
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couple of good answers. if i get the time, i'll put a gallon in a can, and put a temp probe in it......
Strange, most mechanics I know hate sticking probes into things. :D
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i'll keep it protected.......... :noid
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"Probicide"? :uhoh
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deafening silence........... :noid :devil :bolt: :airplane:
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okay car guys... name a 2008 or newer car that's basically a car without a bunch of bells and whistles you'd recommend me leasing for a year or so
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Fusion/Milan
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okay car guys... name a 2008 or newer car that's basically a car without a bunch of bells and whistles you'd recommend me leasing for a year or so
Lease?
I think its a waste of money, but whatever floats your boat. :ahand
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Lease?
I think its a waste of money, but whatever floats your boat. :ahand
Yup,not to mention all the hidden cost like excessive milage charge,wear and tear,etc. the only time a lease makes sense is if it's a company vehicle and can be written off on expenses.
Check the interest rate of the lease,yes they charge interest like it's a loan. Sometimes your much better off buying it outright even if you have to borrow. Right now there's a glut of 07 to 09 cars that were deeply discounted to get off the lots and as a result their used car value is quite low making them a bargain.
There are plenty of these cars out there that can be had for 30% to40% of their original value,and because there's so many often you can name your price and get it.
Of course YMMV.
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^^ He speaketh the trutheth.
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depends on your tax status in uk, it could be cheaper to lease ...
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depends on your tax status in uk, it could be cheaper to lease ...
This may be true,the reason for the YMMV,I live in Canada and there's little or no advantage in leasing unless it's a company car.
I have some experience with auto dealers,my wife ran the finance dept. at 1 so I speak from first hand knowledge.
I'll say the only thing good about leasing is you can drive a much more expensive car than you could afford to purchase but in the long run your still out the cash and have to return the car.
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I've done all the research and there are good reasons why I want to do a short term lease. Also if I put more than 10k miles on a car in a year it's been a rough year. My 2000 Mustang only has 114 k on it now.
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^^ He speaketh the trutheth.
Nah, not really. There are no "hidden" costs. Its all there on the contract (in big print) and the dealer will explain it to you. There are idiots that don;t read or ask, but no hidden fees.
I just returned a VW after a 3 year lease. An independent inspecting company came out and looked at the car. Wear and tear "hidden " charge came up to 100$ (with two kids and a dog riding it, and a wife parallel parking it lol) . As for the millage, I knew exactly what it would cost.
Leasing is cheaper. Just make sure that what ever millage option you choose, you can stay under of. Looking at a car as investment is silly so both lease or buy is money thrown away. Leasing also gives you the option to get a new car after a few years without having to worry about the value of the existing car. You buy it and it is a lot harder to do unless you wasted a lot of cash when you bought it.
Been leasing for 15 years now. Just read the contract and make sure the millage you choose will be enough for you to stay under.
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Well if thats the case Dicho,shop around for your lease! try to get the best intrest rate possible,this can be negotiated in some cases but not all. Check the excessive milage charges,some of these can be 30 cents a mile or more so be informed on this.
Lastly,take plenty of pictures of the car at delivery,any scratches,marks,and pay close attention to the interior.
You could easily be hit with a 4 or 500 dollar bill for a simple "refurbish" to the condition it was in at delivery.
Leasing a "used" car may work out as a short term solution but beware the pitfalls!!
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Gracias Morph..
Right now I don't need much car but I'm about to either give Squid the Mustang or sell it and give him the cash to buy whatever he wants. I'm thinking of saving up a decent down payment or finding the car I really want and refurbishing it.
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Nah, not really. There are no "hidden" costs. Its all there on the contract (in big print) and the dealer will explain it to you. There are idiots that don;t read or ask, but no hidden fees.
I just returned a VW after a 3 year lease. An independent inspecting company came out and looked at the car. Wear and tear "hidden " charge came up to 100$ (with two kids and a dog riding it, and a wife parallel parking it lol) . As for the millage, I knew exactly what it would cost.
Leasing is cheaper. Just make sure that what ever millage option you choose, you can stay under of. Looking at a car as investment is silly so both lease or buy is money thrown away. Leasing also gives you the option to get a new car after a few years without having to worry about the value of the existing car. You buy it and it is a lot harder to do unless you wasted a lot of cash when you bought it.
Been leasing for 15 years now. Just read the contract and make sure the millage you choose will be enough for you to stay under.
Ded,
to be fair your correct,there are no "hidden costs" they are plainly stated in the contracts,but as you say few bother to read this carefully.
I will also admit you make a valid point with regaurds to exchanging cars every few years.the only issue I have is that your always paying for a car,there is never a point were you own it and dont have a monthly bill.
But then what the heck do I know,I still drive my 98 accord,other than gas and oil changes it cost less than $1000 in upkeep per year.....
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Stang was paid off in 04 Morph.. I don't know what a car payment is anymore :lol Which is my point. I don't have the down payment to get a car payment for something I really want without getting nauseous. So I figure do a cheapo lease on something with four wheels, climate control, etc., save the amount over the lease I'd be willing to pay for a car payment and get what I want. Squids got to have a car or we're going to drive each other nuts.
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SmartMoney always has pro's and con's to both sides of financial arguements, I like their analysis best.
FWIW, leasing is not for me, I put on an average of 18,000 miles a year.
The Advantages
Low Down Payments -- Even though a lot of the advertised lease deals assume a down payment, you can often get the dealer to limit it just by asking. Of course, the more cash you come up with initially, the lower your monthly payments.
Low Monthly Payments -- Since you are only paying off the depreciation on the car -- not its full value -- your monthly payments are much lower than if you opt to finance the purchase of the entire car over the same period of time.
Easy Turnover -- Assuming your car is in good shape, when your two or four years are up, just stroll into the dealer, hand over the keys, and drive out with a brand new car and a new lease arrangement. You don't have to bother with selling the car or haggling with a dealer over trade-in value. That was all taken care of beforehand.
The Disadvantages
No Equity -- Similar to paying rent on an apartment, your lease payments don't go towards owning anything. Unlike traditional financing, you can't look forward to the day when the payments will stop and you can drive your own car free and clear.
Lack of Flexibility -- You pay a big penalty if you want out of the lease before the full term. Bailing out early may cost you as much as six extra months of payments, depending on your leasing company.
You May Pay Extra -- Most leases charge an extra 12 or 15 cents for each mile you drive over a certain limit. Typically the lease agreement grants 12,000 to 15,000 miles per year. (Drivers average 15,000 miles per year.) Also, you'll have to pay up for any damage to the car beyond normal wear and tear when you turn it in. One way to avoid the mileage charge is to buy more miles at a reduced rate (of around 10 cents) up front.
Insurance May Come Up Short -- If you total the car or it gets stolen, your insurance will only reimburse you for the car's market value, which might not cover what you still owe on your lease. You can buy extra "gap coverage" to protect against this, and some lease deals include it automatically.
Read more: To Buy or to Lease - Spending - Autos - SmartMoney.com http://www.smartmoney.com/spending/autos/to-buy-or-to-lease-7868/#ixzz1EGFEQVt4
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^^^ about covers it....
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yep..
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Gracias Morph..
Right now I don't need much car but I'm about to either give Squid the Mustang or sell it and give him the cash to buy whatever he wants. I'm thinking of saving up a decent down payment or finding the car I really want and refurbishing it.
Yeesh, don't spoil him. Buy him a used honda and keep the 'stang for yourself man!
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Made a promise to him a long time ago. I don't break promises to Squid man. You'd have to actually know us pretty well to understand
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SmartMoney always has pro's and con's to both sides of financial arguements, I like their analysis best.
FWIW, leasing is not for me, I put on an average of 18,000 miles a year.
Same here, it just doesn't make sane sence for me between a typical vacation for me running me 1100-1600 miles each trip (that's at least one trip in a bad year, average is ~3-4, 6+ if I always had it my way), an annual daily working commute of ~14000, and throw in an extra thousand or five a year for potential job site visits, meetings, plan checks, site walks, etc. etc.. Last year I racked I think ~24k total on my Honda civic and another ~5k on the company pickup, this year should be noticabley less though I think since we wrapped up a job in Merced, and if I never have to drive from LA to Merced and back again in the same day I'll die happy.
Made a promise to him a long time ago. I don't break promises to Squid man. You'd have to actually know us pretty well to understand
Still think he's getting it too easy. :aok You'd have to of seen how many brand new luxury or sporty beamers, lexi and benzes a spoiled rich persian kid (and we had a good number of them, all related I believe) could wreck and go through within a single month at my high school to understand.
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Of course he's getting it easy Bab.. he's the Squid. The only one I got bro.
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I've done all the research and there are good reasons why I want to do a short term lease. Also if I put more than 10k miles on a car in a year it's been a rough year. My 2000 Mustang only has 114 k on it now.
dood.....don't lease.
i can't begin to tell you the crap i've seen. i've seen people spend $500+ on tires just to turn it back in. few hundred on brakes. suspension work. body work....
people end up spending money that they shouldn't have to spend just to avoid penalties when they turn them in. i wouldn't do it.
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hhmm.........mr kgb still pretty quiet? still wondering if my explanation was up to your standards sir.
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hhmm.........mr kgb still pretty quiet? still wondering if my explanation was up to your standards sir.
CAP1 approaches the PC, and.... :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rI-pct3zy18 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rI-pct3zy18)
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dood.....don't lease.
i can't begin to tell you the crap i've seen. i've seen people spend $500+ on tires just to turn it back in. few hundred on brakes. suspension work. body work....
people end up spending money that they shouldn't have to spend just to avoid penalties when they turn them in. i wouldn't do it.
Only the dumb ones cap. :D
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CAP1 approaches the PC, and.... :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rI-pct3zy18 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rI-pct3zy18)
:rofl :rofl :rofl
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well thank you so much for the sinus beer sweetheart Ripsnort.. Now I have a ton of cleaning and an invoice to prepare :rofl
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well thank you so much for the sinus beer sweetheart Ripsnort.. Now I have a ton of cleaning and an invoice to prepare :rofl
i've learned that if i'm gonna click a link, i make sure i don't have anything to spit all over my monitor. :O
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such deafening silence...............maybe i should've held back and not let loose like that...........
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Well, we have two big gatherings coming up. The state wide gathering in San Marcos is coming up, and then we have the annual race event at Texas Motor Speedway in College Station.
The San Marcos gathering is the largest of its kind (I am pretty certain of that). We expect around 140 Cobras to be there. The College Station gathering is smaller, as it is more for racing than anything else. Looks like a Corvette club is scheduled to be there the same time. Last year it was a Porsche club. Should be a hoot!
I have been busy getting my work space in order to start my personal build. The engine is almost done. First dyno pass yielded 576HP @ 6200RPM and 543 ft/lbs of torque at 5900RPM. Not bad for a street engine (389ci Windsor with Cleveland mains : i.e. Ford's BOSS 351 block). I am going to dial back the cam a bit to move the torque curve lower. I know it will reduce the horsepower, but I would rather have a flatter curve, starting earlier, than what I have right now. I figure two more tests and I will have what I want.
Then again, I am bouncing between the Twisted Wedge and AFR heads, so it may take a couple more runs.
It will be enough to motivate the 2200 pound car to a reasonable level of acceleration and speed. I am dropping a 6 speed Tremec behind it with 3:73 gears (9 inch Ford). If I can get the rear end to hook up, it should go down the road quite nicely. :)
And in side news, I went down to Houston a few weeks ago to do a complete rewire of a Cobra. It was a mess.
Skuzzy,
That 576/543, is that engine or rear wheel numbers? either case with a 2200lb car that's got to be pretty insane :O. Wish I knew you were a car guy at the convention last year, would of loved to talk cars :aok I'm all the sudden thinking my vette needs to go on a diet :headscratch: or bigger blower :headscratch:
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BigRat
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Made a promise to him a long time ago. I don't break promises to Squid man. You'd have to actually know us pretty well to understand
this is shirly's way of saying that the squid'll kick his ass. :devil :aok
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vette needs to go on a diet and bigger blower
Fixed :aok
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If your gonna lease a car
get a new Toyota, no matter what anyone says they are one of the best cars being made for the money.
I leased a Prius to do cell tower work all over the USA and I had no problems what so ever with it.
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If your gonna lease a car
get a new Toyota, no matter what anyone says they are one of the best cars being made for the money.
I leased a Prius to do cell tower work all over the USA and I had no problems what so ever with it.
i think this is the first thing you've gotten right in this entire thread.
toyota has actually equaled honda, and in some instances surpassed them in reliability. i would not hesitate to have a camry, or a corolla.......a prius though....i can't stomach them.
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Skuzzy,
That 576/543, is that engine or rear wheel numbers? either case with a 2200lb car that's got to be pretty insane :O. Wish I knew you were a car guy at the convention last year, would of loved to talk cars :aok I'm all the sudden thinking my vette needs to go on a diet :headscratch: or bigger blower :headscratch:
:salute
BigRat
That is the engine. No car to put it in yet. :)
Most of the Cobras, in the lot I hang around with, have engines that run from 500 to 650HP. There is one with a stock 302 in it, and another one with a stock 351C in it, but the rest are pretty much over the top.
One guy has a Hennessey Viper V-10 engine in it (around a 1,000HP). Another one has a BWM M series V-8 in it.
The problem with the high horsepower is getting a decent launch. However, those cars also have no problem parking the speedometer at 185MPH for hours on end. 185MPH is considered to be the safest top speed for a Cobra, due to the lousy aerodynamics of the car.
There is a video of a Cobra running down a straight away at 180MPH, and the rear end lifts enough the tires start spinning and smoking. The driver shed a few pounds of poop when that happened.
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*snip*
There is a video of a Cobra running down a straight away at 180MPH, and the rear end lifts enough the tires start spinning and smoking. The driver shed a few pounds of poop when that happened.
:cry more coffee through the nasal passages...and some on the keyboard...
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dood.....don't lease.
i can't begin to tell you the crap i've seen. i've seen people spend $500+ on tires just to turn it back in. few hundred on brakes. suspension work. body work....
people end up spending money that they shouldn't have to spend just to avoid penalties when they turn them in. i wouldn't do it.
And here we go again with the myths. Really? The wear and tear on parts like tires is included in your payments. Everything is calculated in. This is why you pay for the extra millage. To cover wear and tear on breaks, tires, belts etc. I don;t know if you guys talk from ignorance or if the people you are talking about were so ignorant they thought they had to fix all that.
Once again, everything is included in the price and the extras are covered by the millage charges. But don't let facts stop you. Keep scaring people, passing along rumors and incorrect information, and above all do not look into anything new. After all, the rest of us are all idiots.
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And here we go again with the myths. Really? The wear and tear on parts like tires is included in your payments. Everything is calculated in. This is why you pay for the extra millage. To cover wear and tear on breaks, tires, belts etc. I don;t know if you guys talk from ignorance or if the people you are talking about were so ignorant they thought they had to fix all that.
Once again, everything is included in the price and the extras are covered by the millage charges. But don't let facts stop you. Keep scaring people, passing along rumors and incorrect information, and above all do not look into anything new. After all, the rest of us are all idiots.
the facts are that i've had customers walk in and tell me that they were told by the dealer that the items i mentioned had to be in good shape when they turn in the lease, or else they were going to be charged for it.
so either the dealer was lying to the customer(highly likely now that i think of it) or the customer misunderstood the dealer.
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I think the problem lies largely in the fact that people get 'new car fever' and don't dot their i's and cross their t's when making decisions. For me I really don't care what I drive. It's a tool for getting me from place A to place B. I have some cars in mind that I'd LIKE to have in the future however, in the interim, it really doesn't matter so long as it gets me where I want to go reliably. Subsequently I'm doing my homework on this one.
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I think the problem lies largely in the fact that people get 'new car fever' and don't dot their i's and cross their t's when making decisions. For me I really don't care what I drive. It's a tool for getting me from place A to place B. I have some cars in mind that I'd LIKE to have in the future however, in the interim, it really doesn't matter so long as it gets me where I want to go reliably. Subsequently I'm doing my homework on this one.
you're right i think/.
i think a lot of people(at least around here) lease, because it lets them drive a car that is beyond their means. i don't believe in leasing. a good friend of mine had been leasing for years, and i kept blasting him about it(cause i could :devil)
finally one day we were at the archery range, and he realized that he's been throwing so much money away on therm......he turned in his last lease, and now owns his car.
not trying to be critical.........
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the facts are that i've had customers walk in and tell me that they were told by the dealer that the items i mentioned had to be in good shape when they turn in the lease, or else they were going to be charged for it.
so either the dealer was lying to the customer(highly likely now that i think of it) or the customer misunderstood the dealer.
:rofl The dealer? The car belongs to the finance company. What does the dealer have to do with anything? I agree, the dealer either lied or the customer misunderstood. It is also probable that the customer tried to turn the car into the dealer and get a new car in witch case the dealer would have to buy it from the finance company. In that case, the dealer did not lie. He would give him more money for the trade in if all that was fixed. It comes down to people not having a clue and not bothering to get one. Spreading inaccurate information as facts does not help.
In either case, it does not make it OK for you to tell people not to lease and spread rumors and inaccurate information as facts, does it?
Very fast backpedaling there eh? We went from DO NOT LEASE to the dealer lied or the customer misunderstood :lol.
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no...i still say don't lease.
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no...i still say don't lease.
:rofl Good for you CAP. It is not for every one. But be responsible. What you did with your do not lease statement is the same as my father in law telling people not to buy Sony because he cannot use the remote. I say be responsible because since you work on cars, people may assume you know everything about cars, including financing. So state what you know, not what you heard or don't understand.
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I've used $0 down leases since 96. Wife owns hers and I keep a fresh ready if hers were to ever have issue. I agree though, leasing isn't for everyone.
For the record, the Fusion has dethroned the Camry and Accord.
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:rofl Good for you CAP. It is not for every one. But be responsible. What you did with your do not lease statement is the same as my father in law telling people not to buy Sony because he cannot use the remote. I say be responsible because since you work on cars, people may assume you know everything about cars, including financing. So state what you know, not what you heard or don't understand.
are you a leasing agent or dealer finance agent?
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are you a leasing agent or dealer finance agent?
Nop, running an IT department from a trading firm. Nothing to do with cars. But I have been leasing for the past 15 years and never encountered these things mentioned here.
Its not for everyone. If you want a new M3 every 2 years or use a car for business, you lease. If you like to keep your car or work on it and customize it, you buy. Just examples.
I just thought that there was a lot of misinformation being spread. By the way, the guys you mentioned make money when you buy a car also. What ever you tried to imply was still based on ignorance. Did you really think that it would be possible for me to make money by asking you guys to lease from me? You don;t know where I am and I don;t know where you are :lol Not everything you guys don;t understand is a scam. Read teh contract. It binds them as it binds you.
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I'm at my desk at work
Now everybody knows where I am :D
Where are you? The suspense is killing me :lol
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are you a leasing agent or dealer finance agent?
That is like me asking CAP if he is a loan agent or dealer finance agent (purchase only).
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I'm at my desk at work
Now everybody knows where I am :D
Where are you? The suspense is killing me :lol
At my desk being amazed by the amount of ignorance that knows everything out there. Going to Bone Daddy's for lunch. Coming? :lol
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Sure why not :D
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i'm having lunch delivered.......... :neener:
and i'm not a leasing agent or loan officer....
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I know where dedalos lives, but I will divulge.
:uhoh
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(http://www.motortopia.com/files/17696/album_1977_cutlass_salon/49aa083617e0d/cutlass08-3.jpg)
or
(http://www.carpicgallery.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/Ford-Mustang-SVT-Cobra-Convertible-Front-Angle2-2004.jpg)
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i like this........
(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa135/1LTCAP/mustang_1.jpg)
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I do to but I don't like the tickets I'd wind up with :D
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nah.....no one would evvveeerrrrr speed in a 700hp mustang........ :noid :devil
assuming we're talking the supersnake.
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I wouldn't intentionally but I get the feeling the car would have the final say so
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i think this is the first thing you've gotten right in this entire thread.
toyota has actually equaled honda, and in some instances surpassed them in reliability. i would not hesitate to have a camry, or a corolla.......a prius though....i can't stomach them.
Yeah, but find me a Toyota I can compforitabley fit in (I'm 6'4"-6'5"). Host hondas have more head room I've found, that's a big selling point for me.
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Yeah, but find me a Toyota I can compforitabley fit in (I'm 6'4"-6'5"). Host hondas have more head room I've found, that's a big selling point for me.
good point. i'm 6'2, but i only weigh 160 or so, which lets me fit in nearly everything. my 93 geo is a little short on head room though.......
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That is the engine. No car to put it in yet. :)
Most of the Cobras, in the lot I hang around with, have engines that run from 500 to 650HP. There is one with a stock 302 in it, and another one with a stock 351C in it, but the rest are pretty much over the top.
One guy has a Hennessey Viper V-10 engine in it (around a 1,000HP). Another one has a BWM M series V-8 in it.
The problem with the high horsepower is getting a decent launch. However, those cars also have no problem parking the speedometer at 185MPH for hours on end. 185MPH is considered to be the safest top speed for a Cobra, due to the lousy aerodynamics of the car.
There is a video of a Cobra running down a straight away at 180MPH, and the rear end lifts enough the tires start spinning and smoking. The driver shed a few pounds of poop when that happened.
Skuzzy,
My C5 FRC is like 3170lbs with about 630-640 at the engine (533 ground) It can't hook up in first or second. I can't imagine close to that power at almost a 1000lbs less, much less anything more then that. Crazy power to weight numbers :O
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BigRat
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(http://just-thinkin.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/flying-car-4.jpg)
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<--waiting for Mopar Nation meeting in gatlinburg....called Meet in the Mts.
May put the R/T through The Dragons Tail. (Challenger R/T)
And for those of you to young to know.....Cobras made Uncle Enzo cancel his homeown race in Italy.
The only manufacturer allowed was Ferrari. The Cobras cleaned their clocks and Uncle Enzo didn't
want to be embarrased in his own country....and his race :cheers:
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Nop, running an IT department from a trading firm. Nothing to do with cars. But I have been leasing for the past 15 years and never encountered these things mentioned here.
the reason i'm asking is because i just went through a "must get a new car" crisis...looked at lease options for volkswagon, toyota, bmw, gm, ford, nissan, chrysler, hyundai...and i read every single page of the lease agreements...and based on my co workers lease agreement that i had read thoroughly, i asked specific questions...it depends on the leasing company...factory lease vs 3rd party lease...volkswagon and bmw were the worst lease agreements i looked at...so many loopholes full of "gotchas", it actually cost extra to keep from getting charged additional fees when the lease ended...one dealer was using a 3rd party leasing company which had the highest rates but the best end of lease terms.
after 2 months of searching...what you state as absolute fact does not apply to all leases at least at the dealerships i went to...i ended up buying a used car instead of a new car buy or lease...
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the reason i'm asking is because i just went through a "must get a new car" crisis...looked at lease options for volkswagon, toyota, bmw, gm, ford, nissan, chrysler, hyundai...and i read every single page of the lease agreements...and based on my co workers lease agreement that i had read thoroughly, i asked specific questions...it depends on the leasing company...factory lease vs 3rd party lease...volkswagon and bmw were the worst lease agreements i looked at...so many loopholes full of "gotchas", it actually cost extra to keep from getting charged additional fees when the lease ended...one dealer was using a 3rd party leasing company which had the highest rates but the best end of lease terms.
after 2 months of searching...what you state as absolute fact does not apply to all leases at least at the dealerships i went to...i ended up buying a used car instead of a new car buy or lease...
you're better off used sometimes.
as much as i want a 2012 boss 302, reality dictates i won't be able to afford $40k+ for a car....so i think next year a 2011 gt may be in order.......lime green 5.)L manual tranny, etc......
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cap what is your opinion on the colorado, canyon, and izusu version.
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cap what is your opinion on the colorado, canyon, and izusu version.
i've only worked on a couple of colorados, and i like em. my local napa dealer uses them too...and those drivers beat the crap out of them....and as much as i like my fords....the chevys are taking the beating better than the rangers.
i've not worked on the isizu version of any of the gm's 'cept for the ascender...which is a tahoe in disguise. if that one's any clue...you'd be basically buying a chevy.......which is never bad. even if it's a lumina.
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BIGRAT.......
i just found this video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydykiWKW6fE
motor trend dyno'd a 2011 mustang gt. ford rates the gt at 412 hp. you had asked me once i think if it was flywheel or rear wheel. it's neither.
435hp at the tires.
that would then mean that the boss 302 that they're rating at 440hp would probably be closer to 470 hp. :devil
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Gimme the GT350 Commemorative Ed. estimated at a MINIMUM of 550bhp at the wheels (most sources state around 570bhp). :rock
http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/2010-01-18-shelby-gt350-mustang_N.htm (http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/2010-01-18-shelby-gt350-mustang_N.htm)
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BIGRAT.......
i just found this video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydykiWKW6fE
motor trend dyno'd a 2011 mustang gt. ford rates the gt at 412 hp. you had asked me once i think if it was flywheel or rear wheel. it's neither.
435hp at the tires.
that would then mean that the boss 302 that they're rating at 440hp would probably be closer to 470 hp. :devil
That Mustang looks great, I wish we could buy them over here.
I posted something similar in another thread, but this is our version of the boss.
450hp FPV GT:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QT7P4wGezT8&feature=related
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Pontiac Sunflower :noid
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I know a guy that has a black cutlass just like that one, it is so clean you could eat off any part of it.
I leased a Prius for cell tower audit work all over the southern states. I drove from Lima,Ohio to Tampa,Fla. When I left the car had 3/4 a tank of fuel, I filled the car up twice on the way to Tampa. Onboard GPS navigation, heated seats, XM radio, and that car had plenty of room. Do not let the size of the Prius on the outside fool you, it's a roomy car. You can lease a new one from LaRiche toyota in findlay,ohio for around $219.00 a month maybe $299.00 max.
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You can lease a new one from LaRiche toyota in findlay,ohio for around $219.00 a month maybe $299.00 max.
Even if it was free, you'd still have to drive a Prenis. That's a price no man should pay. :lol
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prius's main advantage is in stop n go traffic.
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The Prius I had also has the full JBL sound system, which was kick butt. There's a amp under each seat.
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the stock infinity sound system that came in my dakota is just fine for me......
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the stock infinity sound system that came in my dakota is just fine for me......
is that dakota a lease?
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is that dakota a lease?
hell no.
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I was going top nominate anything in the Camaro/Firebird family as the worst car, But a bizarre word substituter in here totally eliminated a good joke….
It will not let me refer to them as “Little [Insert the word used to describe a device used to introduce a stream of water into the body for medical or hygienic reasons here] Coupes”.
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I was going top nominate anything in the Camaro/Firebird family as the worst car, But a bizarre word substituter in here totally eliminated a good joke….
It will not let me refer to them as “Little [Insert the word used to describe a device used to introduce a stream of water into the body for medical or hygienic reasons here] Coupes”.
uummm.....a deuce coupe was an old....like 1932 i think....ford. it was generally powered by a flathead v-8, and pretty quick for its time.
as much as i like my fords, there is absolutely nothing wrong with the camaro/firebird family. they kinda sucked(in my opinion) from about 1970 till about 2005(or whatever year this current body style came out). i didn't like the looks of the interim ones.
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there was another issue left open in this thread, concerning fuel pumps. it came up, before all of the EVAP discussion started.
the main crux of that part of the discussion was concerning why some vehicles had pumps in the fuel tank, and other didn't.
as i mentioned before, it was/is to do with cooling the pump. as you can see from the following picture, the intank pump is very small. it spins at a much higher rpm, creating more heat to create enough pressure, and volume. it doesn't have enough mass to shed any of its heat if only exposed to air, thus it is stuck inside the fuel tank.
i hadn't realized that the text was gonna be so small on this picture.
the pump on the left is from a ford pickup truck. these trucks, can have up to 3 fuel pumps, depending on how many fuel tanks it has. this system uses a low pressure "feed" pump in the tank(it looks like the pump all the way to the right of the picture) to supply fuel to the high pressure pump, mounted on the frame rail. notice it is larger? it doesn't make any more pressure than the other pumps in the picture....but it is designed to be mounted externally.
the one in the middle is out of a mercedes benz, although i forget the year and model. it mounts underneath the rear of the car next to the fuel filter. again, large pump, mounted externally. the one far right is from a 96 buick roadmaster estate wagon. this one is in the tank.
(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa135/1LTCAP/fuelpump.jpg)
another picture.......
(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa135/1LTCAP/PHOT0014-1.jpg)
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it was a 5.0 liter 135hp. :D
It's a 4.9 liter :P
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the one in the middle is out of a mercedes benz, although i forget the year and model...
If it was a Merc with CIS doesn't that meat it would also be pumping at a much much higher pressure then the other two?
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If it was a Merc with CIS doesn't that meat it would also be pumping at a much much higher pressure then the other two?
higher volume. it was electronic fi though if i recall. i really still don't know why i replaced that pump. the customer drove the car to the shop, had a "new" pump that he bought off of ebay, and wanted it installed. this is a regular customer too. the only answer he'd give was that he wanted it replaced.
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It's a 4.9 liter :P
4.95 for what it's worth.
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Lada Niva
(http://0.tqn.com/d/4wheeldrive/1/0/Z/P/1/IsaacG_88LadaNiva_RR.jpg)
No Way,the Lada is 1 of the Best offroader,look the little Hole in front Bumber,you can Start it without Battery
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Anything made by landrover.
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Anything made by landrover.
i've been lucky enough to only have ever worked on 3 of those heaps. don't like em.....but then i've not worked on anything british that i like.
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Anything made by landrover.
Agreed... well, except for maybe one... but still, it's just one...
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2619/4125122534_fd97cb478a.jpg)
But like most things Land Rover, there isn't a customer or employee with the common sence to follow a good idea through. I just haven't seen a land rover driver here in LA grid lock that's been smart enough to figure it out yet and own one of these, and for the money they pay and the MPG they're already getting... :devil
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My wifes LR3 gets 20-21 on the highway, which is pretty good for a gas truck that weighs 5800lbs dry....
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My Disco 2 gets about 12 mpg, downhill, with a tail wind, and drafting a semi. :cry
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(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/xxREXxx_01/764468e34c707f5.jpg)
:bolt:
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Is that a Mushtang? :devil
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(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/xxREXxx_01/764468e34c707f5.jpg)
:bolt:
LOOKS MORE LIKE A driver problem.....hopefully the driver was ok......
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LOOKS MORE LIKE A driver problem.....hopefully the driver was ok......
Oh no CAP, Mustangs must be bad cars, since that one obviously was designed without a force field, like, and stuff. Srsly.
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(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/xxREXxx_01/764468e34c707f5.jpg)
:bolt:
1. Hope all are safe n well.
2. Why the heck is that piece of scrap taking up shop floor space?
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1. Hope all are safe n well.
2. Why the heck is that piece of scrap taking up shop floor space?
i'd think they're gonna remove the drivetrain, and put it in something more fun.....like a cobra kit......
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My wifes LR3 gets 20-21 on the highway, which is pretty good for a gas truck that weighs 5800lbs dry....
How many miles does it have on it. I'm guessing less than 70K ........just wait muhaaaaaaahahahaha :devil
Your going to end up spending more money in repairs per year than you will on your car payments.
(if you have them)
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How many miles does it have on it. I'm guessing less than 70K ........just wait muhaaaaaaahahahaha :devil
Your going to end up spending more money in repairs per year than you will on your car payments.
(if you have them)
Not necessarily. It depends on if the owners of vehicles give a damn and actually put forth effort to maintain them properly. Service Issues aside.
I had a 2007 Milan and am almost through my first year of having a 2010 Milan. Not one recall to date, nor a single service issue. The same goes for the Fusion and MKZ.
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Not necessarily. It depends on if the owners of vehicles give a damn and actually put forth effort to maintain them properly. Service Issues aside.
I had a 2007 Milan and am almost through my first year of having a 2010 Milan. Not one recall to date, nor a single service issue. The same goes for the Fusion and MKZ.
READ THE ABOVE POST OVER AND OVER GUYS.
that is the key to never spending large amounts of money on your car.
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5 second search on LR3
Q: How dependable is the Land Rover LR3?
I’m interested in the Land Rover LR3, but have heard a lot of bad reviews that they are always in the shop and have many problems.
Roberta G., San Diego
A: We often hear of people misleading others into thinking that an entire brand is unreliable. For example: “Fords are always in the shop. They’re horrible cars.” This, of course, is untrue.
Unfortunately for Land Rover, no one was misleading you — they often score low in dependability ratings.
J.D. Power’s 2007 manufacturer dependability ratings rank Land Rover at the bottom of the list, with owners reporting a total of 398 problems per 100 vehicles during the first three years of ownership. The industry average is 216, while Buick and Lexus got the top spot in 2007 with 145. Suzuki (324), Isuzu (322), Saab (319) and Volkswagen (298) sit directly above Land Rover in the rankings.
As for the LR3, Consumer Reports lists its predicted reliability as “Worse Than Average,” which is on par with the rest of Land Rover’s models.
:ahand
Doesn't matter how well you take care of it. It just keeps bitting your hand.
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5 second search on LR3
Q: How dependable is the Land Rover LR3?
I’m interested in the Land Rover LR3, but have heard a lot of bad reviews that they are always in the shop and have many problems.
Roberta G., San Diego
A: We often hear of people misleading others into thinking that an entire brand is unreliable. For example: “Fords are always in the shop. They’re horrible cars.” This, of course, is untrue.
Unfortunately for Land Rover, no one was misleading you — they often score low in dependability ratings.
J.D. Power’s 2007 manufacturer dependability ratings rank Land Rover at the bottom of the list, with owners reporting a total of 398 problems per 100 vehicles during the first three years of ownership. The industry average is 216, while Buick and Lexus got the top spot in 2007 with 145. Suzuki (324), Isuzu (322), Saab (319) and Volkswagen (298) sit directly above Land Rover in the rankings.
As for the LR3, Consumer Reports lists its predicted reliability as “Worse Than Average,” which is on par with the rest of Land Rover’s models.
:ahand
Doesn't matter how well you take care of it. It just keeps bitting your hand.
i've onlhy ever had the displeasure of working on 3 land rovers. they were all almost as bad as audis.