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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Wmaker on February 15, 2011, 03:01:13 PM
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Good looking model.
"Here are some development screenshots of the upcoming B-29 Superfortress bomber. This long awaited addition recently won a players poll as the most wanted new aircraft. Besides adding another needed perk bomber to Aces High it also marks the introduction of a player flyable B-29 to the online combat flight sim universe. With a defensive armament of 12 .50 caliber machine guns and 1 20mm cannon and a bomb load of up to 20,000 lbs per plane, a formation of B-29's will be a formidable opponent.
Thanks to Greebo for providing the ultra high resolution skin. The paint scheme on this aircraft is Earthquake McGoon, a B-29 assigned to the 6th Bomb Group operating out of Tinian."
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N00k!!!!! :x
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Looks great! :rock
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Thats awesome!
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I'm still kidna surprised they chose to model with that 20mm rear gun... :uhoh
But good lookin' it is! :rock
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I hate to say it, but am looking forward to the B29 in the area as much as I would a colonoscopy; both are going to be a pain in the ass.
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Appears to have the 20mm in the tail along with the 2 50s. I hope the bomber guys enjoy it.
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Appears to have the 20mm in the tail along with the 2 50s. I hope the bomber guys enjoy it.
Now for the perk? I see no mention of it :O
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Now for the perk? I see no mention of it :O
Not going to be good either way lol
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I love you HTC. :banana:
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Appears to have the 20mm in the tail along with the 2 50s. I hope the bomber guys enjoy it.
what a nightmare
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just don't attack from the rear maybe?
looks like you will only have 4x3 50 cal shooting at you with a frontal belly shot.
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WOOT.....91st Bomb Group gonna rain on your parade from high above :airplane: :banana:
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Hopefully this will be a solo perked buff. I would hate to see two drone B-29s tag-along for a total bomb load of 60,000lbs. :O
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Hopefully this will be a solo perked buff.
If you look at one of the screenshots... ;)
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Can't wait to shoot 'em down :airplane:
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Hopefully this will be a solo perked buff. I would hate to see two drone B-29s tag-along for a total bomb load of 60,000lbs. :O
Lol look at pics
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anyone see the 80x100lbs. bombs on the ords counter in the cockpit? :O
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just don't attack from the rear maybe?
That might get difficult considering the performance of the B-29 at altitude. And not only performance curve, but first and foremost perk price will ensure the majority will fly very high & very fast...
Having said that, I'm now going back to my Ki-67.... need some more buff perks :devil
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Those wingtips look fragile... Hmmm can't wait... :rock
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YAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAY ME HAS TO GO CHANGE PANTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x
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anyone see the 80x100lbs. bombs on the ords counter in the cockpit? :O
Typical loadouts:
4x4000
8x2000
12x1600
12x1000
40x500 (might be difficult to find 40 untouched town centers even on a large map :lol)
56x300
80x100
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:x :x :x :banana:
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I'm still kidna surprised they chose to model with that 20mm rear gun... :uhoh
But good lookin' it is! :rock
So I assume I will not see you in anything but the B-29? :joystick:
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They can fly really high and really fast, so good luck in having a chance in killing them. The ability to drop bombs from 30K and above with pin point precision is not good for the game either. Bring back the wind variant at least. I suspect we'll see hordes of B-29's up to get over bases before the arena lockdown in the evening to totally close bases so the next day they are out of commission. One guy can now easily close a base or two and be the fun police for the arena. Sigh, more problems and with less people playing, I hope it some how all works out. :bhead
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So I assume I will not see you in anything but the B-29? :joystick:
Half of my time flying B-29, half of my time killing them :D
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Half of my time flying B-29, half of my time killing them while heading for home on a B-29 :D
fixed
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just don't attack from the rear maybe?
looks like you will only have 4x3 50 cal shooting at you with a frontal belly shot.
The Japanese knew how to do it. :D
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/B29Attacks1.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/B29Attacks.jpg)
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Now for the perk? I see no mention of it :O
From what I hear, it will be perked around the same amount as the 262...
Or the perk"ing", the way they perk it, will be decided the same way they decided the perk"ing" for the 262...
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Those wingtips look fragile... Hmmm can't wait... :rock
Not so sure about that.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/b29damage.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/b29damage1.jpg)
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I <3 b29 :D :banana: :x :rock
bomb****s Rejoice!!!!!
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I can see the bombers being flying a lot more so ppl get the perk point to fly the B-29. Looks great.
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Me thinks HTC had been working on this before even the poll. Perhaps the Me-410 and He-111 are also on the drawing board. I could be wrong, but it seems like ultra fast development. Either way amazing work HTC and Greebo.
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1 Pass town killers :banana:
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As if massive MA bombing runs with numerous escorts and no defenders wasn't enough.
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Me thinks HTC had been working on this before even the poll.
You did not need to be a clairvoyant to predict the result of that poll ;)
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As if massive MA bombing runs with numerous escorts and no defenders wasn't enough.
Those runs are actually pretty rare, and their effect on gameplay is miniscule.
Personally I'd like to see some gameplay changes that would result in more high altitude bomber missions.
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Those runs are actually pretty rare, and their effect on gameplay is miniscule.
Personally I'd like to see some gameplay changes that would result in more high altitude bomber missions.
Indeed there effect is pretty much worthless. Bombers currently have no targets that effect gameplay immensely.
But whenever those missions do come about (ie 91st missions etc) if I'm ever on (rarely anymore) I always see a big green (or red dar, depending which country I'm on) and not much enemy dar.
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I could be wrong, but it seems like ultra fast development. Either way amazing work HTC and Greebo.
40-80 Hours for the flight model
1-2 months for the art work
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B-29 is worthless to me unless they give me a J2M or a Ki-100 to shoot at it with
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This is clearly a plot to populate the WW1 arena. :noid
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This is clearly a plot to populate the WW1 arena. :noid
:lol
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This is clearly a plot to populate the WW1 arena. :noid
:rofl
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Another nice skin by Greebo :aok
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This is clearly a plot to populate the WW1 arena. :noid
:rofl :lol
the part the puzzles me are the words "much needed"...didn't know a heavily perked single pass base killer was needed that badly.
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Good looking model.
"Here are some development screenshots of the upcoming B-29 Superfortress bomber. This long awaited addition recently won a players poll as the most wanted new aircraft. Besides adding another needed perk bomber to Aces High it also marks the introduction of a player flyable B-29 to the online combat flight sim universe. With a defensive armament of 12 .50 caliber machine guns and 1 20mm cannon and a bomb load of up to 20,000 lbs per plane, a formation of B-29's will be a formidable opponent.
Thanks to Greebo for providing the ultra high resolution skin. The paint scheme on this aircraft is Earthquake McGoon, a B-29 assigned to the 6th Bomb Group operating out of Tinian."
another reason to not visit the main arenas.
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:x FINALLY :banana: :banana:
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1. Two weeks.
2. TT will never be the same....lol 240 bombs...wow
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From what I hear, it will be perked around the same amount as the 262...
Or the perk"ing", the way they perk it, will be decided the same way they decided the perk"ing" for the 262...
Well unless you've been sitting in Dales office having coffee with him ad Pyro, all you've heard about "perking" is just hear-say :D
Yes it looks pretty, and as usual HTC and staff have done a great job, but I hope it's perked out the wazoo!
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any bets on the how high the milk run level will go in the ew and mw arenas?
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Well unless you've been sitting in Dales office having coffee with him ad Pyro, all you've heard about "perking" is just hear-say :D
Yes it looks pretty, and as usual HTC and staff have done a great job, but I hope it's perked out the wazoo!
But if it catches fire wouldn't that be blowing smoke out your A.....
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So who is going to tell me how to kill a base in a single pass. Seriously, I'd LOVE to know. No matter how many times I try to do it in a Lancaster, I always seem to miss a few hangers and actually have to go back around and hit the base again.... :noid
1st thing I'm gonna hit is a Capital, and I know I won't be alone when I do it. :devil
As for the milk running in EW and MW, I'd expect they will hit towns on two fronts till they run out then switch sides and hit their own side kind of thing. :lol The Capital's will probably look something like 2% Center, 1% Fuel, 3% Troops, 5% Ack, 3% Ords, 6% Dar... :rofl
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But if it catches fire wouldn't that be blowing smoke out your A.....
only if the perks catch on fire as well, but hopefully your blowing them all on that pretty new plane so you wouldn't have that many left. My hemorrhoids burn more than that! :aok
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So who is going to tell me how to kill a base in a single pass. Seriously, I'd LOVE to know. No matter how many times I try to do it in a Lancaster, I always seem to miss a few hangers and actually have to go back around and hit the base again.... :noid
1st thing I'm gonna hit is a Capital, and I know I won't be alone when I do it. :devil
As for the milk running in EW and MW, I'd expect they will hit towns on two fronts till they run out then switch sides and hit their own side kind of thing. :lol The Capital's will probably look something like 2% Center, 1% Fuel, 3% Troops, 5% Ack, 3% Ords, 6% Dar... :rofl
I wouldn't think you'd see them in EW or MW as the B29 is late war bird.
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I wouldn't think you'd see them in EW or MW as the B29 is late war bird.
talking about milk running in the low population arenas to get enough points to use the 29 in the lw arenas...
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Spawn camping will never be the same...... :rofl
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Spawn camping will never be the same...... :rofl
Spawn camp will be full of WW just to try to shot it down.
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first there was a lankstuka, then...... :O :bhead
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O... M.... G..
:O
:x
:banana:
:aok
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first there was a lankstuka, then...... :O :bhead
LOL, task groups will not survived once the B-29 drop its ords.
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:rofl :lol
the part the puzzles me are the words "much needed"...didn't know a heavily perked single pass base killer was needed that badly.
Hmmm ... where did you read ... "much needed" ? I see "long waited" ... I see "adding another needed perk bomber" ... never the word "much" mentioned at all.
This long awaited addition recently won a players poll as the most wanted new aircraft. Besides adding another needed perk bomber to Aces High it also marks the introduction of a player flyable B-29 to the online combat flight sim universe.
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LOL, task groups will not survived once the B-29 drop its ords.
people need to learn what "turn the boat" means.
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Didn't vote for it, didn't want it, but have to admit: it *is* pretty. Nicely done, HTC. :salute
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wow it looks cool!
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Actual aircraft.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/plane51c.jpg)
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Didn't vote for it, didn't want it, but have to admit: it *is* pretty. Nicely done, HTC. :salute
Same here. It looks great, though!
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Front page is blocked from work. :cry
:P
I look forward to seeing it when I get home.
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Front page is blocked from work. :cry
:P
I look forward to seeing it when I get home.
See previous post & it is the same thing. :aok
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Here ya go Karnak
(http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff169/banshee7_2007/b29-5.jpg)
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Anyone notice those cowl flaps?
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Anyone notice those cowl flaps?
They are slightly open just like they are in the remodelled N1K2... ;)
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people need to learn what "turn the boat" means.
To may "arm chair generals" will need to go back to Naval Academy school for that.
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:rofl :lol
the part the puzzles me are the words "much needed"...didn't know a heavily perked single pass base killer was needed that badly.
(http://lh5.ggpht.com/_zGnH6HWaAi0/S3XGfVB2ATI/AAAAAAAAE8A/QM37kuyfmdI/keep%20calm%20sherlock%20holmes.png)
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Kinda funny how after all of those years with only the Ar234 as a perk bomber, two new perk bombers will have been added in relatively short succession.
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Kinda funny how after all of those years with only the Ar234 as a perk bomber, two new perk bombers will have been added in relatively short succession.
<- Waiting for the comments like "that proves this game has went downhill" (http://www.smileyvault.com/albums/forum/smileyvault-popcorn.gif)
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Kinda funny how after all of those years with only the Ar234 as a perk bomber, two new perk bombers will have been added in relatively short succession.
See? That proves how far downhill the game has gone!
:noid
:bolt:
;)
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<- Waiting for the comments like "that proves this game has went downhill" (http://www.smileyvault.com/albums/forum/smileyvault-popcorn.gif)
See? That proves how far downhill the game has gone!
:noid
:bolt:
;)
:rofl
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Thinking of the loadout options... too bad we don't have the old TankTown anymore :noid :devil
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I can see the bombers being flown* a lot more so people* get the perk points to fly the B-29. Looks great.
Fixed :D :P
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Love the plane.
Love the "ruin the game" hysteria just as much.
:aok
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Spawn camp will be full of WW just to try to shot it down.
Bet a T-34 would work better.
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I hate to say it, but am looking forward to the B29 in the area as much as I would a colonoscopy; both are going to be a pain in the ass.
Agreed.
This game needed this plane like Custer needed more Indians at the the Little Big Horn.
I am however interested in seeing how they are planning on implementing the remote gunnery and improving the gunnery over the remote gunnery we already have.
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Fixed :D :P
thx
Bet a T-34 would work better.
Can it be done when the B-29 are high up there?
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they will just fly at 30+ k just like we have now, (safe mode) wont bother chasing them
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DOOOOOOOOMMMM COMETH TO ACES HIGH TOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!
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Agreed.
This game needed this plane like Custer needed more Indians at the the Little Big Horn.
So, you're saying it won't make much difference? After all, more Sioux at Little Big Horn wouldn't have made much difference to Custer. :p
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See? That proves how far downhill the game has gone! ;)
Golly but it is a beautiful thing to behold. Did you see how they modeled the bombardiers front gunsite on the pivot arm. Just frigging gorgeous :)
For me just being inside a virtual B29 will be worth the twelve years wait :rock
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thx
Can it be done when the B-29 are high up there?
You mentioned spawn camping before. At alt, I would recommend taking an hour or two to get a Stuka to 20k and then dropping the MOAB on the lead buff. :)
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Will be looking forward to perk farming in buffs to fly this bad boy. :joystick:
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they will just fly at 30+ k just like we have now
One of the myriad ever popular, but totally unsubstantiated myths of AH.
(Translation: Only very, very few bomber sorties ever go to 30+k ;) )
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http://www.hitechcreations.com/images/stories/news/b29/b29-6.jpg
counted 43 bombs on right plane for this photo :P
AHHHHHH I Can't wait!!! :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x
All you little girls crying about it shutting down bases - a good buff pilot can do it in a 17 or a lanc. Put you're diaper back on.
Ahhhh! :D :D
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So, you're saying it won't make much difference? After all, more Sioux at Little Big Horn wouldn't have made much difference to Custer. :p
Other then having the distinction of being the type of plane used in the dropping of the two atom bombs. The 29's contribution to the war was insignificant at best. And with all the other absences in the game that could stand to be filled we simply didnt need this plane. And we already have planes with remote controled guns
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http://www.hitechcreations.com/images/stories/news/b29/b29-6.jpg
counted 43 bombs on right plane for this photo :P
AHHHHHH I Can't wait!!! :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x
All you little girls crying about it shutting down bases - a good buff pilot can do it in a 17 or a lanc. Put you're diaper back on.
Ahhhh! :D :D
Erm...
http://www.hitechcreations.com/images/stories/news/b29/b29-2.jpg
80.
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Did anybody notice?!
(http://i393.photobucket.com/albums/pp20/skbluestem/b-29-1.jpg)
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Other then having the distinction of being the type of plane used in the dropping of the two atom bombs. The 29's contribution to the war was insignificant at best. And with all the other absences in the game that could stand to be filled we simply didnt need this plane. And we already have planes with remote controled guns
Have to agree here. It was most famous for dropping the A-bomb. That's pretty much it, and the war could and would have been won without the use of it. It just ended it quicker.
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I'm sure the Japanese targets of the firebombings would disagree with you ignorami. :rolleyes:
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:O So THIS is what my new office will look like...Sweet! :banana:
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Bloody 'ell, that was quick?
Looks great, hopefully HTC don't perk it into oblivion.
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I'd say there were a large number of Japanese who think it did more than drop the atomic bombs and who were significantly impacted by it.
It saw combat operations starting in June of 1944. It merits inclusion in the game eventually, and the vote decided that "eventually" had arrived. While I didn't vote for it, I do see merits in having it added.
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I know it carries 80 - I was just stating I counted 43 :neener:
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Have to agree here. It was most famous for dropping the A-bomb. That's pretty much it
Agree. Quite an obscure aircraft otherwise.
In the 14 months of their operations, from June 1944— when B-29
operations began in China—to August 15,1945 when Japan announced its
surrender, B-29s flew 380 combat missions, consisting of 31,000 sorties and
dropped 171,,000 tons of bombs and mines, with the loss of nearly 500 airplanes
and 3000 air crew members.
Through this strategic air warfare campaign, the B-29s achieved the
following:
— Heavy damage to 602 major Japanese war factories.
— Destruction of 83% of their oil refinery capability.
— Destruction with incendiaries of the industrial centers— the sites of their
widely dispersed war production—of 66 Japanese cities, including about 20
square miles of Tokyo.
(The B-29 Strategic Air Campaign Against Japan
by Henry C. Huglin)
Would have been a pure footnote if it hadn't been for the A-bomb. I wonder why the Japanese did fear it so much, and invested so much (increasingly desperate) effort in fighting it, with all that little impact the B-29 had.
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To be honest, I would like to fly this plane, although I did not vote for it. I will take it up once it gets into the game once my meager bomber perks subside.
Hopefully this will bring a new crowd to AH that wanted the B29, and thank god there will be no more B29 wishlist threads.
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I'd say there were a large number of Japanese who think it did more than drop the atomic bombs and who were significantly impacted by it.
It saw combat operations starting in June of 1944. It merits inclusion in the game eventually, and the vote decided that "eventually" had arrived. While I didn't vote for it, I do see merits in having it added.
Indeed it has merit. But did it have as much impact as the He-111, or the Yak-3, or the LaGG3, or the KI-43, or the Pe-2, or the Tu-2. I could go on.
I never said it didn't have merit, however the HE-111 has been asked for for how many years now?
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Obviously the nearly year long raids over Japan in 29s were insignificant (Sarcasm). The incendiary bombings implemented by Curt Le May accounted for a significantly higher percentage of destruction on the Japanese homeland than anything else we threw at them; (Excepting perhaps the Submarine "Silent Service" sinking of a phenomenal amount of tonnage in food and materiel, not to mention the "Marus" that were required to get Japan the supplies it needed).
I might also add that the Japanese developed no less than 3 interceptors to deal with the B-29 Threat.
Although, the B-29 was never my first choice, and I can think of planes I would rather have, the B-29 has earned as much of a place in this game as any other plane in the AH lineup.
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Hopefully this will bring a new crowd to AH that wanted the B29, and thank god there will be no more B29 wishlist threads.
Nope, just a million nuke threads. :)
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You should have asked for the Tu-4...no one would have been the wiser!
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We'll have to see how it plays out. If it is lightly perked, or not perked at all I see it becoming the next best dive bombing platform out there. If that happens, ya I'd have to say the game is going down hill.
On the other hand if it's perked well and is only used by the buff squads it won't be a big game changer.
Only time will tell.
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We'll have to see how it plays out. If it is lightly perked, or not perked at all I see it becoming the next best dive bombing platform out there. If that happens, ya I'd have to say the game is going down hill.
it has already been officially stated that it will be perked.
And by looking at the price of Arado, Mossie 16 and most prominently the Lancaster in early war (which has similar capabilities there compared to the 29 in LW), it doubt it will be a light perk only.
But of course, no matter the price there will be a massive hail of bombs raining down in the first tour. A lot of player have saved up a lot of buff perks. Things may take longer to settle down than usual.
But in the long run, most CV's won't be sunk by 29's, and you won't see them often carpet bombing a GV spawn.
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We'll have to see how it plays out. If it is lightly perked, or not perked at all I see it becoming the next best dive bombing platform out there. If that happens, ya I'd have to say the game is going down hill.
Most of my LANC kills happen when they attempt that foolishness. I love it :)
I could point to 30 different events over the years that have taken the game "downhill" yet I am enjoying the game as much, if not more, today than ever. Who cares lol
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A lot of player have saved up a lot of buff perks. Things may take longer to settle down than usual.
Your analysis is always spot on in my analysis....
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First off the plane looks great HTC. Good job.
Looks like I will be flying the Ta-152 a little more..... :rock
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2 weeks
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"2 weeks" doesn't seem so unrealistic and sarcastic as it once did...
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:rock
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Unfortunately, without a strategic system worth bombing the B29s sole target will be hangers at airfields.
Add that to the fact the perk cost will put them above 25k routinely and you might as well have Skuzzy logging in and disabling fields, because neither one is going to add to the game anyway.
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The B-29 will not be able to drop fields any faster than any other unperked bomber we have now.
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I know it carries 80 - I was just stating I counted 43 :neener:
Sorry MarineUS. I was not targeting you just making a observation and posting it. :salute
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Unfortunately, without a strategic system worth bombing the B29s sole target will be hangers at airfields.
Add that to the fact the perk cost will put them above 25k routinely and you might as well have Skuzzy logging in and disabling fields, because neither one is going to add to the game anyway.
One main target will be the same it now is: Towns. Particular town centers, in the quest for highest landed points :)
Also, climbing to 25K and above will reduce efficiency in a strict sense. You are relatively safe up there, but it takes a lot of time to get there, and you still can't shut down a field on your own in one pass. Of course a few guys can wing up, but that again creates a nice darbar. A single guy can loiter at 25k, he will be a prime target for interceptors during that time. A 109K-4 takes only 7 minutes from sea level to 25K, 9 minutes to 30k.
IMHO, heavy fighter raids are a much bigger threat in this game. A mid size mission in ponies can quickly climb to 15k, dart to an enemy field and shut it down in a few moments. It's almost impossible to intercept them effectively in time. Unlike the buffs they can then take care of any defenders that got up in time.
A completely different thing that comes to my mind: What impact the rain of bombs & explosions might have on lag & framerates. I think of the huge TT missions. 10 pilots in formation with 40x500 lbs bombs loadout... That's 1200 bombs and explosions :uhoh
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Screw the B-29, give us our private servers!!! :pray
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As long as the historically accurate 526 ft/min maximum climb rate is modeled precisely, I could care less. 38 minutes to 20K....LMAO.
I foresee a lot of AFK B29 kills in my future....
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Also, climbing to 25K and above will reduce efficiency in a strict sense. You are relatively safe up there, but it takes a lot of time to get there, and you still can't shut down a field on your own in one pass. Of course a few guys can wing up, but that again creates a nice darbar.
Have you ever been on a Thunderegg mission???/
He will have people climbing out from 5 sectors out to get up there, and there are a lot of people in those missions.
Think of the HQ runs........goodbye dar :ahand
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Have you ever been on a Thunderegg mission???/
He will have people climbing out from 5 sectors out to get up there, and there are a lot of people in those missions.
Think of the HQ runs........goodbye dar :ahand
I have been on a lot of his missions. Just on the other side :t
Missions like that are not a game changer. All those people could be much more "effective" in war terms by using a mix of 110's, n1Ks, goons with a few Lancs in the mix. The only reason they (and others) do that kind of missions is fun. And that's why they frequently get ...uhm... critizism by players on their own side "such a waste of resources" ;)
And when I think of the HQ runs, I gotta smile. 10-30 players (buffs & escorts) flying for 2 hours. When lucky, they make it past the 163's and kill HQ. 15 minutes later dar is back up due to resupply runs.
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hehe
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You should have asked for the Tu-4...no one would have been the wiser!
That will be in the new Korean War Arena
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I hope they fix the gear door on the nose...
It's floating there, disconnected:
http://www.hitechcreations.com/images/stories/news/b29/b29-1.jpg
It should be very closely attached and aligned along the curve of the nose as seen here:
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=299998.0;attach=12079;image
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MiG-15 next? xD
Nomex Suit on ENgage
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I'm still kidna surprised they chose to model with that 20mm rear gun... :uhoh
But good lookin' it is! :rock
I figured they wouldn't as I didn't expect them to model the B-29B and would give us the A model instead.
ack-ack
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The Japanese knew how to do it. :D
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/B29Attacks1.jpg)
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/B29Attacks.jpg)
They may have known how to do it but knowing and being effective at it are two different things. More were lost to AAA and mechanical failures than from Japanese interceptors. The Japanese also struggled to intercept the B-29s when they were flying at high altitudes and enjoyed a little bit more success when the B-29s dropped to low and medium altitudes.
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and the war could and would have been won without the use of it. It just ended it quicker.
I'm sure the families of the projected million+ Allied servicemen that were expected to lose their lives during the invasion of Japan would have been comforted by your words.
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But did it have as much impact as the He-111, or the Yak-3, or the LaGG3, or the KI-43, or the Pe-2, or the Tu-2. I could go on.
Yes, it ended the war in the Pacific. How much more of an impact could you want?
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WOOT.....91st Bomb Group gonna rain on your parade from high above :airplane: :banana:
looks like the 20th will be taking it easy soon :cheers: :rofl i cant wait to escort these babies
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First week or two that it's out, all my time is going to be spent in the same sector as the strats, in a ta152 at 35k just waiting :devil :ahand
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First week or two that it's out, all my time is going to be spent in the same sector as the strats, in a ta152 at 35k just waiting :devil :ahand
Could be a long & boring wait...
... who's gonna take the predictable route to bomb the ack infested strats, when there are plenty of towns that give you much higher points and hit % ? :joystick:
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Could be a long & boring wait...
... who's gonna take the predictable route to bomb the ack infested strats, when there are plenty of towns that give you much higher points and hit % ? :joystick:
the groups that i cover with the 20th FG :aok
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I'd say there were a large number of Japanese who think it did more than drop the atomic bombs and who were significantly impacted by it.
It saw combat operations starting in June of 1944. It merits inclusion in the game eventually, and the vote decided that "eventually" had arrived. While I didn't vote for it, I do see merits in having it added.
And the exact same missions could have and would have been flown by other aircraft. Namely the 17. To equal effect.
I think the residents of Dresden would agree
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And the exact same missions could have and would have been flown by other aircraft. Namely the 17. To equal effect.
I think the residents of Dresden would agree
no, the exact same missions couldn't have or would have flown the missions the B-29 did over Japan. If that was the case, the B-29 would not have replaced the B-24 as the primary long range strategic bomber in the Pacific. In the PTO, the B-17 was actually a rather minor player with the lion share of the long range strategic bombing being done by the B-24 and later the B-29. The B-17 just didn't have the necessary range to fullful the long range strategic bombing role in the Pacific.
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Who cares they wont be flown at 40000 ft an toejam. Just another big huge target in game to fill with 30mm rounds as they LancStuka tm V bases in V missions.
(http://images1.memegenerator.net/ImageMacro/4036134/Get-to-da-choppa.jpg?imageSize=Medium&generatorName=Angry-Arnold)
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no, the exact same missions couldn't have or would have flown the missions the B-29 did over Japan. If that was the case, the B-29 would not have replaced the B-24 as the primary long range strategic bomber in the Pacific. In the PTO, the B-17 was actually a rather minor player with the lion share of the long range strategic bombing being done by the B-24 and later the B-29. The B-17 just didn't have the necessary range to fullful the long range strategic bombing role in the Pacific.
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Quoted Akak as a way of stressing his point.
The first missions Krusty was talking about had a leg to target of over 1500 miles excluding rally times. That meant a mission range of 3100 miles minimum which exceeded the range of the B-17s by quite a bit. These first missions were from air bases in India to Bangkok.
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no, the exact same missions couldn't have or would have flown the missions the B-29 did over Japan. If that was the case, the B-29 would not have replaced the B-24 as the primary long range strategic bomber in the Pacific. In the PTO, the B-17 was actually a rather minor player with the lion share of the long range strategic bombing being done by the B-24 and later the B-29. The B-17 just didn't have the necessary range to fullful the long range strategic bombing role in the Pacific.
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Ok, my bad. The B24 then. Regardless.
These missions would have been flown by something else with the same end result. Cant even use alt as a difference maker as the altitude of the raids was lowered to that of just about any other bomber being put up because of problems with accuracy over 25,000 feet and at 30,000 planes were in the jetstream and the true airspeed of the ord was so high as to be off the scales of the bombsite
http://books.google.com/books?id=5SdDW64827QC&pg=PA230&lpg=PA230&dq=lowered+the+mission+altitude+of+the+B29+because&source=bl&ots=Uu-LxzWzxW&sig=oEwxm6ADrPQbflqwai8GlohEW1M&hl=en&ei=ub9bTcXbL8qr8Ab678m7Dg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CCAQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q&f=false
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Quoted Akak as a way of stressing his point.
The first missions Krusty was talking about had a leg to target of over 1500 miles excluding rally times. That meant a mission range of 3100 miles minimum which exceeded the range of the B-17s by quite a bit. These first missions were from air bases in India to Bangkok.
And where is it you cant fly to in a 17 or 24 in game on a full tank of fuel and still have alot of fuel left over?
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So if you pump a few dozen 20mm rounds into the engines, do they let of a beautiful black plume of fire and smoke?
This will be fun. Just another buff to dump. Of all the bombers the one that I think is the most overmodeled is the B26. It's firepower seems twice that of the B17 or -24.
Boo
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And where is it you cant fly to in a 17 or 24 in game on a full tank of fuel and still have alot of fuel left over?
There are maps that are large enough that you will run out of fuel to get to a target with 100%, the alt and fuel management will determine your range. Use way more fuel at lower alts than higher alts.
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Looks beautiful HTC! :aok
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One small piece of satisfaction abides for me. HTC adds the B29. In the years of threads, I said it would be great idea much to the chortling of those who ridicule.
For fun: http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=Superfortress&x=0&y=0
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I LIKES....
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As long as the historically accurate 526 ft/min maximum climb rate is modeled precisely, I could care less. 38 minutes to 20K....LMAO.
have a look at the charts again, in AH the B-29 will typically be making 2,000fpm+
it will have the best climbrate of all our heavies.
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Waffle and Greebo,
Detail looks amazing. Maore than just bring the bomber to the game, uver created a real piece of artwork to operate and behold in action. That kind of detail makes this game very special. I fly P-39s and 109s just because of the cockpit detail.
Dale's lucky to have you guys......ask for a raise. :salute
Vinkman
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If everyone could quit arguing for a second and just look at the beauty that has been created. This new addition is more than just a new plane. It is a view into how far the game has come, and how much better it can and will be! This is only a glimpse. I can't wait! :) :aok
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have a look at the charts again, in AH the B-29 will typically be making 2,000fpm+
it will have the best climbrate of all our heavies.
Which is why its introduction into the game is a joke. The performance will be several times better than ever flown in the real war.
EDIT: Now if they could somehow do something so that your experience against them is somewhat more historic, that would be ideal.... Engines limited output at high AoA? Spontaneous engine fires if you climb at full throttle? Something...
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B-29 :huh what is that?
BTW, you guys see the new 4 engine JUG on the front page? :banana:
JUGgler
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B-29 :huh what is that?
BTW, you guys see the new 4 engine JUG on the front page? :banana:
JUGgler
Juggler and Ghi will have this thing on the deck in a furball...and will land kills in it. :D
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Which is why its introduction into the game is a joke. The performance will be several times better than ever flown in the real war.
EDIT: Now if they could somehow do something so that your experience against them is somewhat more historic, that would be ideal.... Engines limited output at high AoA? Spontaneous engine fires if you climb at full throttle? Something...
Isn't that the case with most of our in-game aircraft?
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B-29 :huh what is that?
BTW, you guys see the new 4 engine JUG on the front page? :banana:
JUGgler
lol
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Some of you Chicken Littles are hilarious. :lol
(https://zone.artizans.com/images/previews/GRA392.pvw.jpg)
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anyone see the 80x100lbs. bombs on the ords counter in the cockpit? :O
Yup, too bad we still can't shut down runways though by dropping all 80 from one end to the other.
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Finally My p-51 has a real job to do :rock
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Finally My p-51 has a real job to do :rock
lol You really better hope you even have the service cieling!
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Why are folks complaining about the B29????? I can shut down 2 small bases with 1 set of lancs now. I can demolish a HQ with 1 set of lancs now. I can shut down 1 base and white flag a town with 1 set of lancs now. The only advantage the 29 will be alt., speed and guns which is needed badly. Besides, most guys are not going to have the perks to up a set of them anyway. I doubt you will see any missions with B29's because of perks. It will just be nice tool for us bomber lovers and I doubt it will have a large impact on the game. And I have PLENTY of perks to spend on them!
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Why are folks complaining about the B29????? I can shut down 2 small bases with 1 set of lancs now. I can demolish a HQ with 1 set of lancs now. I can shut down 1 base and white flag a town with 1 set of lancs now. The only advantage the 29 will be alt., speed and guns which is needed badly. Besides, most guys are not going to have the perks to up a set of them anyway. I doubt you will see any missions with B29's because of perks. It will just be nice tool for us bomber lovers and I doubt it will have a large impact on the game. And I have PLENTY of perks to spend on them!
Idk the thing is though you have to think about all the high rolling perk carriers.
They will up it like crazy but mostly just for HQ and strat runs.
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yeah furballing with one could be fun
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Not me dirt, I will use it for multiple base shut downs. By myself too.
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Not me dirt, I will use it for multiple base shut downs. By myself too.
Well I run 4 hour misiions to strats and back in 17's and 24's
29's are nothing different if you ask me.
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Not me dirt, I will use it for multiple base shut downs. By myself too.
Be seeing you! :aok
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Yup, too bad we still can't shut down runways though by dropping all 80 from one end to the other.
but im sure there are people who will spend hours offline trying :) :D
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Well, congratulations for those who wanted that thing... now HT.. we can have another non-US heavy bombers? with this we have 4 US heavy bombers, what about now the only ones from URSS, Italy and germany?
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Well, congratulations for those who wanted that thing... now HT.. we can have another non-US heavy bombers? with this we have 4 US heavy bombers, what about now the only ones from URSS, Italy and germany?
Actually, only 3. B-24, B-17 and the upcoming B-29. The B-26 and B-25 were considered medium bombers.
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Actually, only 3. B-24, B-17 and the upcoming B-29. The B-26 and B-25 were considered medium bombers.
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I'd also like to point out that we produced 15,000 B-24s, 12,000 odd 17s and near 4000 B-29's. all during the war. I like some of the other heavies as well as the other guys, especially the HE177. Based on production there are more US bombers because there were more US bombers. No flame intended, this just seems to make sense to me is all.
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Only about 1500 B-29s were made during the war, not counting those kept state-side for training and preparation/testing/ramp-up.
About another 1000 or so were made after the war. The B-29 was actually rather short-lived, compared to the planes it replaced.
As for Vadjan-Sama, the US and the RAF were really the only 2 countries to truly utilize the heavy bomber. Asking for a German or Italian or Russian bomber "to compete" is a false argument -- because they did not operate this way, nor could they have operated this way. They relied on medium and light and dive bombers the entire war... The western powers were rather well off with regards to supplies and with regards to endless replenishment despite massive loss of airframes and aircrew. No other country really could have done that, save maybe the Soviet Union, and they realized they just didn't need to.
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I must be thinking of total production, but I think the mostly canceled the orders when the war ended. I agree with your assessment though and find it amusing when people want other heavies, but there really were not many.
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Well, congratulations for those who wanted that thing... now HT.. we can have another non-US heavy bombers? with this we have 4 US heavy bombers, what about now the only ones from URSS, Italy and germany?
We have two (B-17G, B-24J), soon to be three (B-29A), American heavies and one (Lancaster Mk III) British heavy. The only other heavies that really played a role in the war were the Halifax, very, very similar in capability to the Lancaster, and the Sterling, pretty much a dog and hideous to boot.
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We have two (B-17G, B-24J), soon to be three (B-29A), American heavies and one (Lancaster Mk III) British heavy. The only other heavies that really played a role in the war were the Halifax, very, very similar in capability to the Lancaster, and the Sterling, pretty much a dog and hideous to boot.
By "The only other heavies that really played a role in the war were...", don't
you mean 'The only other Allied heavies...'?
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No axis heavies play a role in the war. That's the point. A few dabbled in it. They did not put forth fleets of thousands (or even hundreds) and were rare. They were not used the same way the US used them, nor the RAF used them.
The axis did not use heavy bombers like the allies did. There is no comparison. They had different jobs, and they got them all done with smaller bombers. Medium bombers were the stock and trade of axis forces, and as such they do not NEED heavy bombers in-game, because there is no need to FILL.
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Only about 1500 B-29s were made during the war, not counting those kept state-side for training and preparation/testing/ramp-up.
About another 1000 or so were made after the war. The B-29 was actually rather short-lived, compared to the planes it replaced.
B-29
2,513 produced (total)
1,620 produced by Boeing (Wichita plant)
536 produced by Martin (Omaha plant)
357 produced by Bell (Marietta plant)
B-29A
1,119 produced (total) by Boeing (Renton plant)
B-29B
311 produced (total) by Bell (Marietta plant)
3,943 B-29s (B-29s, B-29A, B-29B) were built during World War II.
The B-29C production was cancelled due to the war's end, none were built.
200 B-29Ds were ordered a month before the war ended in the Pacific but reduced to only 50 after VJ-Day. The B-29D was redesignated as the B-50 as a ruse to keep production going by claiming the engine upgrades to the B-29D was so much that it ended up being an entirely new plane.
The B-50 (B-29D) stayed in USAF service until 1953 in the bomber role (phased out when the B-48 was introduced) while still serving in the USAF up to 1967 in the tanker and weather recce role.
As you can see, the B-29 enjoyed quite a long life in the USAF and more than 1,500 B-29s of all types built during the war.
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Is there going to be a little boy option?
N00k!!!!! :x
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B-29
2,513 produced (total)
1,620 produced by Boeing (Wichita plant)
536 produced by Martin (Omaha plant)
357 produced by Bell (Marietta plant)
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I lived about 10 miles from that plant. They are restoring one of them right now.
http://www.b-29doc.com/ (http://www.b-29doc.com/)
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Just what we need. The Allied bomber list is WAY too short and it is good to see we are finally beefing it up. Everyone should agree that a B-29 will be just the thing to cure everyone's crying. Not to mention what it will do for events! I can't wait to kill some B-29's with Ki 61s at 40k :aok
Definitely the right move guys :salute
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Just what we need. The Allied bomber list is WAY too short and it is good to see we are finally beefing it up. Everyone should agree that a B-29 will be just the thing to cure everyone's crying. Not to mention what it will do for events! I can't wait to kill some B-29's with Ki 61s at 40k :aok
Definitely the right move guys :salute
LOL, well it was inevitable for the B-29 showing up on AH. Soon, we will get the He-111, Me 410, Kis and A-26.
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Perdweeb, I thought having another allied bomber to shoot at would put you over the moon.
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Right now, 90% of the action in the main arenas is sub-10k. The B-29 may cause a more realistic approach to defense, make the game more realistic at least in terms of tactics. I for one am really looking forward to the plane. Well-done HTC...
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WW2 exotic plane and vehicle list
Tiger (check)
Me-163 (check)
Me-262 (check)
B-29 (check)
Gloster Meteor F3 (x)
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^ what he said
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^ what he said
Damn straight. I don't think more jets is what the game needs, but I've often thought it would be nice to have a balance of jet power in between the Axis and Allies. Even IF the Meteor didn't really have anything to do the whole war...
EDIT Correction: I meant that it never really had the opportunity to perform combat missions over enemy territory, if my memory and hasty Wiki checks are correct... :uhoh
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3,943 B-29s (B-29s, B-29A, B-29B) were built during World War II.
Well at least 1 book begs to differ. I understand books can be wrong (as I've presented some info on P-40s in the past quoted verbatim that was proven quite wrong with more accurate details, some years back), but a quick spot-check on the Internet seemed to support it at the time. Perhaps it was going by differing criteria (counting only those in combat? I don't know). It seemed to suggest (from memory) between 2500 and 3000 total.
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262 vs meteor has to be the best fighter combat that never took place, a true clash of the Titans. I'd really like to find out what would have happened :aok
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Which Meteor? Mk.III owns a 262 in almost every way from climb to turn radius to overall handling to gun ballistics to ability to kill things in general...
Mk.I is another question, but this really isn't about that.
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Well at least 1 book begs to differ. I understand books can be wrong (as I've presented some info on P-40s in the past quoted verbatim that was proven quite wrong with more accurate details, some years back), but a quick spot-check on the Internet seemed to support it at the time. Perhaps it was going by differing criteria (counting only those in combat? I don't know). It seemed to suggest (from memory) between 2500 and 3000 total.
Your source might have also been referencing only the original production run of B-29s before production started on the B-29A/Bs.
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Possible but it suggested "all" -- again as noted it seems wrong now.
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in all honesty i hate the B29 but there is no stopping the trolls now :bhead :bhead :bhead :bhead
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in all honesty i hate the B29 but there is no stopping the trolls now :bhead :bhead :bhead :bhead
The B29 is many things: A fascinating piece of history. An engineering behemoth in its day. Both beautiful and frightening in its capabilities, complexities, and shortfalls. A true giant of an airplane in so many ways. This game/combat simulation could never be truly complete without it.
B29 History Trivia: The famous American actor Charles Bronson (Once Upon a Time in the West, The Magnificent Seven, The Dirty Dozen, The Great Escape, Mr. Majestyk, The Mechanic, and the Death Wish series of films) was a tail gunner on B29s serving with the 39th Bombardment Group out of Guam during WW2 and completed 25 combat missions against Japan. He was awarded the Purple Heart for wounds suffered in combat.
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moin
i do not understand why so many people are complainig about the B-29.
i gues it is a wonderful bird.
of corse its dadly but it will be perked, so its no problem. we will see it alot during the first weeks, but than its comes to normal.
this bird can kill alot but because its perked it will be chased by the most, so every b-29 pilot need to think about what he will do and how he will fly.
a well flown b29 mission will be hard to kill but if it is well flown i can life with that, of course a well flown interceptor mission will get the b29, if its not well planed, not.
i cant wait to fly this bird in a big b-29 mission deep into enemy teritory and i cant wait to intercept this bird with my squadys and because oft that i gues the b29 will be no problem for the blance in the MA.
cu chris3
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Which Meteor? Mk.III owns a 262 in almost every way from climb to turn radius to overall handling to gun ballistics to ability to kill things in general...
Mk.I is another question, but this really isn't about that.
You could ask which 262 or which He experimental or.. Germany was several years ahead in jet technology with only bombing stopping them from advancing.
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Which Meteor? Mk.III owns a 262 in almost every way from climb to turn radius to overall handling to gun ballistics to ability to kill things in general...
Mk.I is another question, but this really isn't about that.
Hmmmm.
Looking into the archives, I keep finding descriptions of the Me262 as being light and responsive to control inputs, with the main problem being compensating for the speed of the engagement. In fact, a few pilots learned to dogfight the 262 quite well, and killed their share of fighters. Its' control authority was precise, and proved to be a stable platform.
In contrast,
The pilots appreciated the additional power provided by the Meteor III relative to the Meteor I, as well as the improved view with the new canopy. However, the ailerons had been deliberately wired to be "heavy" to prevent aerobatic maneuvers from overstressing the wings, and pilots complained that flying the aircraft could be very tiring; that hadn't been a problem with the Meteor I, since it hadn't been cleared for aerobatic maneuvers. Pilots also complained that the machine tended to "snake" at high speed, limiting its accuracy as a gun platform, and it tended to become uncontrollable in a dive due to compressibility buffeting. However, the aircraft was basically liked. A flight combat exercise against the excellent Hawker Tempest V piston fighter concluded:
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The Meteor III is superior to the Tempest V in almost all departments. If it were not for the heaviness of its ailerons and the consequent poor maneuverability in the rolling plane, and the adverse effect of snaking on it as a gun platform, it would be a comparable all-round fighter with greatly increased performance.
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thats my understanding - heavy controls, yaw instability, slow roll and engines which take forever to spool up and then surge at full power. I suspect the meteor could be a bit of a handful in a dogfight (a bit like the previous modelled mossie perhaps?)