Author Topic: Well, there's B-29 on the front page...  (Read 6406 times)

Offline Ack-Ack

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Re: Well, there's B-29 on the front page...
« Reply #135 on: February 16, 2011, 01:49:14 AM »
And the exact same missions could have and would have been flown by other aircraft. Namely the 17. To equal effect.
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no, the exact same missions couldn't have or would have flown the missions the B-29 did over Japan.  If that was the case, the B-29 would not have replaced the B-24 as the primary long range strategic bomber in the Pacific.  In the PTO, the B-17 was actually a rather minor player with the lion share of the long range strategic bombing being done by the B-24 and later the B-29.  The B-17 just didn't have the necessary range to fullful the long range strategic bombing role in the Pacific.

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Re: Well, there's B-29 on the front page...
« Reply #136 on: February 16, 2011, 01:53:55 AM »
Who cares they wont be flown at 40000 ft an toejam. Just another big huge target in game to fill with 30mm rounds as they LancStuka tm V bases in V missions.




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Re: Well, there's B-29 on the front page...
« Reply #137 on: February 16, 2011, 03:45:19 AM »
no, the exact same missions couldn't have or would have flown the missions the B-29 did over Japan.  If that was the case, the B-29 would not have replaced the B-24 as the primary long range strategic bomber in the Pacific.  In the PTO, the B-17 was actually a rather minor player with the lion share of the long range strategic bombing being done by the B-24 and later the B-29.  The B-17 just didn't have the necessary range to fullful the long range strategic bombing role in the Pacific.

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Quoted Akak as a way of stressing his point.

The first missions Krusty was talking about had a leg to target of over 1500 miles excluding rally times. That meant a mission range of 3100 miles minimum which exceeded the range of the B-17s by quite a bit. These first missions were from air bases in India to Bangkok.
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Re: Well, there's B-29 on the front page...
« Reply #138 on: February 16, 2011, 06:24:35 AM »
no, the exact same missions couldn't have or would have flown the missions the B-29 did over Japan.  If that was the case, the B-29 would not have replaced the B-24 as the primary long range strategic bomber in the Pacific.  In the PTO, the B-17 was actually a rather minor player with the lion share of the long range strategic bombing being done by the B-24 and later the B-29.  The B-17 just didn't have the necessary range to fullful the long range strategic bombing role in the Pacific.

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Ok, my bad. The B24 then. Regardless.
These missions would have been flown by something else with the same end result. Cant even use alt as a difference maker as the altitude of the raids was lowered to that of just about any other bomber being put up because of problems with accuracy over 25,000 feet and at 30,000 planes were in the jetstream and the true airspeed of the ord was so high as to be off the scales of the bombsite

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Re: Well, there's B-29 on the front page...
« Reply #139 on: February 16, 2011, 06:26:43 AM »
Quoted Akak as a way of stressing his point.

The first missions Krusty was talking about had a leg to target of over 1500 miles excluding rally times. That meant a mission range of 3100 miles minimum which exceeded the range of the B-17s by quite a bit. These first missions were from air bases in India to Bangkok.

And where is it you cant fly to in a 17 or 24 in game on a full tank of fuel and still have alot of fuel left over?
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Re: Well, there's B-29 on the front page...
« Reply #140 on: February 16, 2011, 06:37:20 AM »
So if you pump a few dozen 20mm rounds into the engines, do they let of a beautiful black plume of fire and smoke?

This will be fun. Just another buff to dump. Of all the bombers the one that I think is the most overmodeled is the B26. It's firepower seems twice that of the B17 or -24.

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Re: Well, there's B-29 on the front page...
« Reply #141 on: February 16, 2011, 06:51:57 AM »
And where is it you cant fly to in a 17 or 24 in game on a full tank of fuel and still have alot of fuel left over?

There are maps that are large enough that you will run out of fuel to get to a target with 100%, the alt and fuel management will determine your range.  Use way more fuel at lower alts than higher alts.


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Re: Well, there's B-29 on the front page...
« Reply #142 on: February 16, 2011, 07:01:31 AM »
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Re: Well, there's B-29 on the front page...
« Reply #143 on: February 16, 2011, 07:24:08 AM »
One small piece of satisfaction abides for me.  HTC adds the B29.  In the years of threads, I said it would be great idea much to the chortling of those who ridicule.

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Re: Well, there's B-29 on the front page...
« Reply #144 on: February 16, 2011, 08:03:27 AM »
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Re: Well, there's B-29 on the front page...
« Reply #145 on: February 16, 2011, 08:22:28 AM »
As long as the historically accurate 526 ft/min maximum climb rate is modeled precisely, I could care less. 38 minutes to 20K....LMAO.

have a look at the charts again, in AH the B-29 will typically be making 2,000fpm+

it will have the best climbrate of all our heavies.
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Re: Well, there's B-29 on the front page...
« Reply #146 on: February 16, 2011, 08:37:47 AM »
Waffle and Greebo,

Detail looks amazing. Maore than just bring the bomber to the game, uver created a real piece of artwork to operate and behold in action. That kind of detail makes this game very special. I fly P-39s and 109s just because of the cockpit detail.

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Re: Well, there's B-29 on the front page...
« Reply #147 on: February 16, 2011, 12:25:59 PM »
If everyone could quit arguing for a second and just look at the beauty that has been created. This new addition is more than just a new plane. It is a view into how far the game has come, and how much better it can and will be! This is only a glimpse. I can't wait! :)  :aok
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Re: Well, there's B-29 on the front page...
« Reply #148 on: February 16, 2011, 01:25:37 PM »
have a look at the charts again, in AH the B-29 will typically be making 2,000fpm+

it will have the best climbrate of all our heavies.

Which is why its introduction into the game is a joke. The performance will be several times better than ever flown in the real war.


EDIT: Now if they could somehow do something so that your experience against them is somewhat more historic, that would be ideal.... Engines limited output at high AoA? Spontaneous engine fires if you climb at full throttle? Something...
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Re: Well, there's B-29 on the front page...
« Reply #149 on: February 16, 2011, 01:26:14 PM »
B-29  :huh   what is that?


BTW, you guys see the new 4 engine JUG on the front page?  :banana:



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