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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Skyguns MKII on March 13, 2011, 04:46:27 PM
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Me and a elder friend had a debate whether monster energy drinks, which had TAURINE under its nutrition facts (bull piss is what he thought it was at first) was a myth or not. He pulled out his phone and searched it, turns out TAURINE is actually bull bile (crap). :eek: :uhoh CAN THIS BE TRUE!?!?!?! Wouldn't the FDA stop this!?!?!
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You do know that most foods have Rat crap in em to right? the FDA does put that stuff into food, but in un life threatening amounts that are hardly noticeable. Peanut butter is most common for rat crap to be in
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Synthetic taurine is obtained from isethionic acid (2-hydroxyethanesulfonic acid), which in turn is obtained from the reaction of ethylene oxide with aqueous sodium bisulfite. Another approach is the reaction of aziridine with sulfurous acid. This leads directly to taurine. Monster uses synthetic Taurine. real taurine is in fact derived from bile, but not the stuff in your drink :aok
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and bile isn't (crap), it's a fluid your body produces to digest fats
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I used to love Monster....was great in the morning...but ever since I had my seizure last nov I cant have it...
-BigBOBCH
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for me, monster is crap period.\
i drink NOS instead. takes a little getting used too but once you do it'll rly keep ya awake.
used to like venom but it got removed from the shelves :(
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used to like venom but it got removed from the shelves :(
I wonder why :lol
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used to like venom but it got removed from the shelves :(
We still sell it at our stores. :headscratch:
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its called sleep. there's no reason why you kids should need a bunch of chemical crap in you to do something as basic as being awake.
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All those energy drinks that you drink......you very well may face big health problem.
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You do know that most foods have Rat crap in em to right? the FDA does put that stuff into food, but in un life threatening amounts that are hardly noticeable. Peanut butter is most common for rat crap to be in
where do you get this stuff? i find it very difficult to believe someone has such a bad case of cranial rectumitis...but sometimes you remove all doubt that it is possible.
the fda does not manufacture any food products...it is a governing agency that sets and enforces standards for consumer products...it fails miserably just like all red tape government agencies but that's not the point.
food producers do not put rodent feces in food intentionally...the fda has set standards for maximum detectable levels of rodent and insect waste on foods within the food service/restaurant and manufacturing/processing industries...nowhere does it say "insert x amount of rat feces in..."
anyone who believes those energy drinks does anything more than a couple of mountain dews is lost without a clue...drink apple juice, it will do a better job of keeping you awake without poisoning your body.
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tell me, does slapping yourself or shaking your head help doctor? :lol
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Makes you wonder maybe thats where RED BULL got its name.
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the fda does not manufacture any food products...it is a governing agency that sets and enforces standards for consumer products...it fails miserably just like all red tape government agencies but that's not the point.
It's definitely not perfect, but I at least feel safe with the food I buy, I wouldn't call that a failure.
That's not the point though, isn't it sad you have to explain to someone that 1) the FDA doesn't make food and 2) rat feces isn't an ingredient in food.
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very sad jayhawk...very sad indeed.
thinking back i'm starting to believe we were over educated as kids...definately not the case these days.
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Synthetic taurine is obtained from isethionic acid (2-hydroxyethanesulfonic acid), which in turn is obtained from the reaction of ethylene oxide with aqueous sodium bisulfite. Another approach is the reaction of aziridine with sulfurous acid. This leads directly to taurine. Monster uses synthetic Taurine. real taurine is in fact derived from bile, but not the stuff in your drink :aok
stop please, my head hurts! lol
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I'm sticking to coffee
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Proper diet and sleep and you wont need those drinks.
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Proper diet and sleep and you wont need those drinks.
+1
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Proper diet and sleep and you wont need those drinks.
whats sleep? :headscratch:
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Proper diet and sleep and you wont need those drinks.
and what about us few who happen to be insomniacs?
rather drink a energy drink a day than become addicted to sleeping pills.
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and what about us few who happen to be insomniacs?
rather drink a energy drink a day than become addicted to sleeping pills.
Why do you believe you are an insomniac?
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Why do you believe you are an insomniac?
i dont ever sleep, atleast not longer than maybe 2 hrs. i could run a week with just a nap.
im weird, where i need to drink alot of suger to sleep.
i have to down a whole 2ltr of mountain dew before i can even drift off.
but other than that, i dont sleep.
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So you drink a two liter of soda before bed and wonder why you can't sleep? Since you are prescribing yourself Mountain Dew as a sleep aid... :headscratch:, it's obvious you've never tried to actually establish a regular sleep schedule, established a regular and healthy diet, and do those thing to slow your body down before going to sleep. If you really do have a medical problem, which I highly doubt, you would need to see a doctor and find out what it is.
Mountain dew... really!?
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This question is classic Aces High moment. I am comforted by the number of highly intelligent people that waste some much time flying cartoon planes like I do. My wife questions my devotion. I not only remind her it is far cheaper then say joining a midnight poker league, but I hang with smart people.
She's slowly getting on board.
Boo
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So you drink a two liter of soda before bed and wonder why you can't sleep? Since you are prescribing yourself Mountain Dew as a sleep aid... :headscratch:, it's obvious you've never tried to actually establish a regular sleep schedule, established a regular and healthy diet, and do those thing to slow your body down before going to sleep. If you really do have a medical problem, which I highly doubt, you would need to see a doctor and find out what it is.
Mountain dew... really!?
...im fully aware for the average person drinking caffiene drinks before bed is a bad idea, but like i said, its really the only thing that lets me GET to sleep.
couple yrs ago, i used to have a sleep schedule of 11pm-6 a.m
but then i suddenly just stoped being able to sleep. no matter how much i laid in bed with my eyes closed. i just couldnt.
i have told my doctor, they want to put me on sleep medication. but i HATE pills, of any kind (doesnt matter wether its tylonal or anything else) i refuse to take pills.
but i seem to atleast get sleepy when i drink alot of suger. so if finally my energy is running out i'll down some mountain dew, and be able to atleast rest awhile.
i understand if you dont get what im saying. its hard to explain right.
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You don't like pills, why, because they are drugs? Well guess what, you're addicted to sugar. Your body has adapted to operate on the high levels of caffeine, but the high levels of sugar make you blood-sugar rise, creating the sleepiness. You are addicted to a white substance, and can't function without it, yet you're scared of Tylenol?
You probably had your change in sleep because you were still going through puberty, the body changes, your life changes, you schedule gets more hectic, sleep can get compromised. There is a myriad of tips I would give you, if you would listen, but I wonder if it's just a waste of my time. How is drugs like Acetaminophen so much worse than high fructose corn syrup?
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You don't like pills, why, because they are drugs? Well guess what, you're addicted to sugar. Your body has adapted to operate on the high levels of caffeine, but the high levels of sugar make you blood-sugar rise, creating the sleepiness. You are addicted to a white substance, and can't function without it, yet you're scared of Tylenol?
You probably had your change in sleep because you were still going through puberty, the body changes, your life changes, you schedule gets more hectic, sleep can get compromised. There is a myriad of tips I would give you, if you would listen, but I wonder if it's just a waste of my time. How is drugs like Acetaminophen so much worse than high fructose corn syrup?
..im 18. i hit puberty a couple of years ago.
and the reason why i dont like pills is due to something i saw when i was 7.
was watching the health channel with the grand parents, and there was a documentary on about this woman.
she had a searing headache she said, so she took 2 tylenals to sooth it.
her body had such a negative reaction to it, that she went into a coma, and shed ALL her skin.
and i mean that, ALL. it was sick. they showed it all. you could see the yellow puss and some of her muscles. she survived it
but whenever i go to take a pill, that woman pops to my mind, and i just dont want to take it anymore.
and yea, chalk it up as a "Waste of time" because you dont understand my situation fully, yet want to talk like you do, and even have the nerve to mock me a little for it. so yea, dont bother.
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Given a choice of poor health and a likely premature death, or taking sleeping pills....
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As much as people who are 18 would like to think otherwise, your body is still growing up.
Obviously this documentary had a scaring effect on your psyche, so I don't want to make fun of it, but what happens when you're sick and the doctor prescribes an antibiotic? How many billion pills of acetaminophen are taken a year, without people's skin falling off? Do you at least understand how illogical your fear is (not mocking you with that, many people have illogical fears, but still succumb to them)?
Also, I believe I understand your situation enough to tell you that there is no way to justify a 2 liter of soda every night as a sleep aid.
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..im 18. i hit puberty a couple of years ago.
and the reason why i dont like pills is due to something i saw when i was 7.
was watching the health channel with the grand parents, and there was a documentary on about this woman.
she had a searing headache she said, so she took 2 tylenals to sooth it.
her body had such a negative reaction to it, that she went into a coma, and shed ALL her skin.
and i mean that, ALL. it was sick. they showed it all. you could see the yellow puss and some of her muscles. she survived it
but whenever i go to take a pill, that woman pops to my mind, and i just dont want to take it anymore.
and yea, chalk it up as a "Waste of time" because you dont understand my situation fully, yet want to talk like you do, and even have the nerve to mock me a little for it. so yea, dont bother.
You don't need a pill, you need hit with a shovel.
Like it or not you're addicted to caffeine and sugar neither of which will help you sleep and will cause you a myriad of health issues if you're drinking that much. Kidney stones and diabetes sound like fun? Think again.
You're taking a handfull of caffeine pills every night before bed it's just in liquid form. Your fear of pills is irrational and nothing that you cannot get through. FWIW, I don't take Tylenol for a host of reasons but do keep Advil on hand. Same with Tums. In either case I'm looking for ibuprofen and an antacid respectively. "Pills" didn't do that to a woman you mentioned but the drug that pill was comprised of. This is like saying you don't like to read swear words but are okay hearing them.
Stow the "you don't know my story" garbage because I don't need to. I know the physiology and you're not helping yourself one iota. Lose the mountain dew, go through the withdrawl (you're addicted to a drug. Caffiene.) and get your bellybutton to a sleep professional who can help you with your issues because you do have issues.
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As much as people who are 18 would like to think otherwise, your body is still growing up.
Obviously this documentary had a scaring effect on your psyche, so I don't want to make fun of it, but what happens when you're sick and the doctor prescribes an antibiotic? How many billion pills of acetaminophen are taken a year, without people's skin falling off? Do you at least understand how illogical your fear is (not mocking you with that, many people have illogical fears, but still succumb to them)?
Also, I believe I understand your situation enough to tell you that there is no way to justify a 2 liter of soda every night as a sleep aid.
i dont drink it EVERY night. like i said i only take a nap when i finally feel ive lost enough energy too, i usually go about 3-4 days without any type of sleep. usually i dont feel tired, my eyes might feel a little dried out but other than that im wide awake.
and the documentary isent the only reason why i hate pills, i used to have to take ridelin/adaral when i was young. and that stuff did more damage than i'd like to admit to me. just the documentary is the main reason.
and i dont take pills, of any kind. whenever i got a flu/cold/etc. i just delt with it.
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Me and a elder friend had a debate whether monster energy drinks, which had TAURINE under its nutrition facts (bull piss is what he thought it was at first) was a myth or not. He pulled out his phone and searched it, turns out TAURINE is actually bull bile (crap). :eek: :uhoh CAN THIS BE TRUE!?!?!?! Wouldn't the FDA stop this!?!?!
I suggest you do some more reading, because this is very incorrect..
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its called sleep. there's no reason why you kids should need a bunch of chemical crap in you to do something as basic as being awake.
Sleep is critical...but what kills most peoples day is a reEEEEAally crappy diet. I switched from daily stops at a variety of fast food joints eating quick boxed meals and started eating better food and drinking stuff with less sugar (tea). It is amazing how fast you start feeling more energetic. As far as your sleep I stopped waking up every morning at 3 or 4 and sleep through the night.
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i dont drink it EVERY night. like i said i only take a nap when i finally feel ive lost enough energy too, i usually go about 3-4 days without any type of sleep. usually i dont feel tired, my eyes might feel a little dried out but other than that im wide awake.
and the documentary isent the only reason why i hate pills, i used to have to take ridelin/adaral when i was young. and that stuff did more damage than i'd like to admit to me. just the documentary is the main reason.
and i dont take pills, of any kind. whenever i got a flu/cold/etc. i just delt with it.
those 2 drugs right there tells a lot...it would be interesting to see what your diet consisted of when you were taking those drugs and what it has consisted of since your "sleep problem" began...i'm betting you had/have a diet of high carbohydrates which the body basically treats the same as sugar.
so far we have large amounts of caffeine, sugar and high fructose corn syrup...the reason you appear to be able to sleep after dosing yourself with mt dew is because your body is actually crashing from the overdose of liquid sugar and caffeine.
as for your aversion to tylenol...that show you watched, the woman had an allergic reaction to an ingredient in the medication and i'm willing to bet if you really thought about it, you would remember there were other factors involved, not just the tylenol...educate yourself.
when i have trouble sleeping, i pop 2 benadryl...non addictive, no serious after effects, common ingredient in otc sleep aids...
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where do you get this stuff? i find it very difficult to believe someone has such a bad case of cranial rectumitis...but sometimes you remove all doubt that it is possible.
the fda does not manufacture any food products...it is a governing agency that sets and enforces standards for consumer products...it fails miserably just like all red tape government agencies but that's not the point.
food producers do not put rodent feces in food intentionally...the fda has set standards for maximum detectable levels of rodent and insect waste on foods within the food service/restaurant and manufacturing/processing industries...nowhere does it say "insert x amount of rat feces in..."
anyone who believes those energy drinks does anything more than a couple of mountain dews is lost without a clue...drink apple juice, it will do a better job of keeping you awake without poisoning your body.
Actually, considering the fact that mass food poisoning is considered to be so rare that it became a huge media sensation, the FDA is doing quite a good job keeping our food supply edible. Yes, there will always be some shady/negligent manufacturers, but they are rare enough that you can go to the supermarket without fear.
-Penguin
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i dont drink it EVERY night.
I don't do meth EVERY day.
I don't sleep for four or five days because I do meth once every few days or so.
I'm not an addict or anything, just a little bit of this or that here and there.
Sound familiar?
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Actually, considering the fact that mass food poisoning is considered to be so rare that it became a huge media sensation, the FDA is doing quite a good job keeping our food supply edible. Yes, there will always be some shady/negligent manufacturers, but they are rare enough that you can go to the supermarket without fear.
-Penguin
not talking about salmonella or botulism...you should go visit a meat processing plant... :D ...from the kill floor to the packaging area...poultry is the worst...hehehe...if it weren't for the fact that i grew up around that sort of thing, i would have become a vegetarian.
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Eventually everything you ingest has bile in it.Some of us also manage to spew it at an astonishing rate. :bolt:
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Eventually everything you ingest has bile in it.Some of us also manage to spew it at an astonishing rate. :bolt:
:rofl
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not talking about salmonella or botulism...you should go visit a meat processing plant... :D ...from the kill floor to the packaging area...poultry is the worst...hehehe...if it weren't for the fact that i grew up around that sort of thing, i would have become a vegetarian.
I don not understand, please elaborate. If it's gross but safe, it doesn't matter. Meat is murder, but it's tasty murder. :D
-Penguin
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I don not understand, please elaborate. If it's gross but safe, it doesn't matter. Meat is murder, but it's tasty murder. :D
-Penguin
there is no way to properly elaborate in such a manner as to give you the same picture/effect that a personal visit would give you...
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those 2 drugs right there tells a lot...it would be interesting to see what your diet consisted of when you were taking those drugs and what it has consisted of since your "sleep problem" began...i'm betting you had/have a diet of high carbohydrates which the body basically treats the same as sugar.
so far we have large amounts of caffeine, sugar and high fructose corn syrup...the reason you appear to be able to sleep after dosing yourself with mt dew is because your body is actually crashing from the overdose of liquid sugar and caffeine.
as for your aversion to tylenol...that show you watched, the woman had an allergic reaction to an ingredient in the medication and i'm willing to bet if you really thought about it, you would remember there were other factors involved, not just the tylenol...educate yourself.
when i have trouble sleeping, i pop 2 benadryl...non addictive, no serious after effects, common ingredient in otc sleep aids...
when i had to take those two pills, my diet pretty much consisted of NOTHING. they zapped my hunger pretty much. i ate maybe a ham sandwich a day. skipped breakfast lunch dinner, all that. i was on those for about 3 yrs. it was getting so bad that i was going anarixec, from lack of eating. finally my mother took me to the doctors, showed them. but heres the worst part, they didnt ween me off this pill(like, give me a smaller&smaller dose until my body was used to not having it), they took me off a pill i had been taking for 3 years....in one day. just cut me off of it.
i wont lie, when i woke up the next day. i was having such bad hunger pains that i litterly ate everything in our fridge.everything.
im working my way to being able to fully sleep. im starting to be able to rest longer&longer (like this morning i was able to actually sleep for 4 hrs)
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When I have trouble sleeping, I stand up, look straight down at my feet, and sprint headlong into the nearest wall. That usually does the trick. People have always been astounded at my ability to sleep virtually anywhere.
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Ditch the caffeine dude. You'll feel alot better in the long run.
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all energy drinks are crap, along with soda's. i dont see how any of you could handle all that sugar and caffene in one can. i usually just drink water...its not that i get uber hyper its just that my system cant handle more than what is reccomended so i just eat the "healthy" stuff.
IMO dont drink energy drinks
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i was on adderall for awhile too.......man, what a drug!! some pretty weird thoughts creep into your mind after being awake for 100 hours with no food. they didn't take me off it, slowly or otherwise. i quit. because what i described above is about as far from the norm as it gets. withdrawing from amphetamines is no picnic my friend, i feel ya. you made it through that. energy drinks, sugar and crappy food should be a snap. all up to you. you want to sleep, quit ingesting crap! easier said than done, but there ya have it :aok
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Only time I ever drank a monster was at relay for life.
Never again. (The soda, not the relay)
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all energy drinks are crap, along with soda's. i dont see how any of you could handle all that sugar and caffene in one can. i usually just drink water...its not that i get uber hyper its just that my system cant handle more than what is reccomended so i just eat the "healthy" stuff.
IMO dont drink energy drinks
You be better off drinking beer than energy drinks.
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You be better off drinking beer than energy drinks.
Ok :cheers:
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You be better off drinking beer than energy drinks.
i doubt it, even if that was sarcasm. my stomach wall is so thin i can hardly handle more than 3 small meals, not to mention what a small amount of alcohol does to me. :uhoh
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look what yahoo posted today. hmmm....
http://health.yahoo.net/experts/eatthis/are-energy-drinks-dangerous
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i doubt it, even if that was sarcasm. my stomach wall is so thin i can hardly handle more than 3 small meals, not to mention what a small amount of alcohol does to me. :uhoh
Sounds like a health problem you have.
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its called sleep. there's no reason why you kids should need a bunch of chemical crap in you to do something as basic as being awake.
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When I have trouble sleeping, I stand up, look straight down at my feet, and sprint headlong into the nearest wall. That usually does the trick. People have always been astounded at my ability to sleep virtually anywhere.
:rofl :rofl
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Sounds like a health problem you have.
yeah..the doctors already told me about 4 years ago when i almost died from those "problems"
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...im fully aware for the average person drinking caffiene drinks before bed is a bad idea, but like i said, its really the only thing that lets me GET to sleep.
couple yrs ago, i used to have a sleep schedule of 11pm-6 a.m
but then i suddenly just stoped being able to sleep. no matter how much i laid in bed with my eyes closed. i just couldnt.
i have told my doctor, they want to put me on sleep medication. but i HATE pills, of any kind (doesnt matter wether its tylonal or anything else) i refuse to take pills.
but i seem to atleast get sleepy when i drink alot of suger. so if finally my energy is running out i'll down some mountain dew, and be able to atleast rest awhile.
i understand if you dont get what im saying. its hard to explain right.
sounds like ADHD...my brother got that stuff bad, and he needs a bum fudge of sugar to go to bed too. ask your doc about aderal or ridelyne. pretty much it does what you say mountain dew does, but you take it in the morning. you wont be bouncing off the walls at night either.
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i dont drink it EVERY night. like i said i only take a nap when i finally feel ive lost enough energy too, i usually go about 3-4 days without any type of sleep. usually i dont feel tired, my eyes might feel a little dried out but other than that im wide awake.
and the documentary isent the only reason why i hate pills, i used to have to take ridelin/adaral when i was young. and that stuff did more damage than i'd like to admit to me. just the documentary is the main reason.
and i dont take pills, of any kind. whenever i got a flu/cold/etc. i just delt with it.
sounds like ADHD...my brother got that stuff bad, and he needs a bum fudge of sugar to go to bed too. ask your doc about aderal or ridelyne. pretty much it does what you say mountain dew does, but you take it in the morning. you wont be bouncing off the walls at night either.
i will never take those two drugs again, never...
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i will never take those two drugs again, never...
why not?
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why not?
when i had to take those two pills, my diet pretty much consisted of NOTHING. they zapped my hunger pretty much. i ate maybe a ham sandwich a day. skipped breakfast lunch dinner, all that. i was on those for about 3 yrs. it was getting so bad that i was going anarixec, from lack of eating. finally my mother took me to the doctors, showed them. but heres the worst part, they didnt ween me off this pill(like, give me a smaller&smaller dose until my body was used to not having it), they took me off a pill i had been taking for 3 years....in one day. just cut me off of it.
i wont lie, when i woke up the next day. i was having such bad hunger pains that i litterly ate everything in our fridge.everything.
im working my way to being able to fully sleep. im starting to be able to rest longer&longer (like this morning i was able to actually sleep for 4 hrs)
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sounds like ADHD...my brother got that stuff bad, and he needs a bum fudge of sugar to go to bed too. ask your doc about aderal or ridelyne. pretty much it does what you say mountain dew does, but you take it in the morning. you wont be bouncing off the walls at night either.
the most ridiculously over prescribed medication for childhood behavior disorders ever in human history...worse than that stupid super nanny.
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yeah..the doctors already told me about 4 years ago when i almost died from those "problems"
What is it or do you not want to share it?
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id rather not share with the entire forum but i could tell you in a PM if any of you wanna to know.