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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: LThunderpocket on March 25, 2011, 05:53:45 PM
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well ive come to the decision that i might quit AH.
mainly because i feel that it is not "realistic"on some aspects.
for instance,f4u cannot catch a 262 going 550.
i have many other reasons to go along with those but the list is to long.
so..im gonna play the game til the month ends.95% chance il cancel payment and at least take a break.
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ah man please don't go... we need people like you around...
:noid
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well ive come to the decision that i might quit AH.
mainly because i feel that it is not "realistic"on some aspects.
for instance,f4u cannot catch a 262 going 550.
LOL! Oh man, my sides hurt from laughing so hard. this has been one of the funniest posts I've read in a few weeks, thanks I really needed a good laugh today.
ack-ack
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well ive come to the decision that i might quit AH.
mainly because i feel that it is not "realistic"on some aspects.
if you want realism, wear a catheter.... you can even get disposable ones...
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by a f4u catching a 262 going 550.i was in a 262 going 550 and the f4u was catching me from 4k out
just now,im in a p47M,hurri2C catches me.this game is such BS
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by a f4u catching a 262 going 550.i was in a 262 going 550 and the f4u was catching me.
just now,im in a p47M,hurri2C catches me.this game is such BS
:rofl
There is this thing we call energy.
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for instance,f4u cannot catch a 262 going 550.
You realize, of course, that the single-most important factors here are- who's flying the 262, and how, and how good their SA is, right?
Who's driving the F4U, and how, factors in to some extent too, but nearly as much...
I'd love to see film, if you have it.
You'll have a much better experience in the game once you figure out how and why these "impossible" events are indeed possible, based on your SA and flying habits.
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i dive on the hurri,hes at about 7k im at 15k.as i pull back up he closes to 400 yrds with me and shoots me once.
when i was in the 262 i was going to a friendly gv base,when i got there,there was 2 f4u's and a p47.both under me.i turned around and next thing i know...the f4u is within 200 yrds of me.gives me a 2 second burst and im down.6x50s are that effective?wow.cause last night in a p74m(8x50 cal)i emtpied 1/2 my ammo into a b17s wing and nothing happends.the only consistancy in the game i see is crap like that happening.
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See ya next month! :rolleyes:
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try 3 or 4
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Do you understand the idea of "energy" and that each plane has a different "enery state" at any given time?
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I can understand though, I had a Brewster catch up with my 262 the other night. I mean, sure, I was parked on the runway, but a Brewster! Seriously!? :headscratch:
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try 3 or 4
While your out for a few month I recommend you study some physics, specifically on how airplanes fly.
So stop whining, and think why these things happen to you. I can think of more than one explanation to the scenario you wrote above.
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film knows all, tells all.... including the cons you didn't even realize were there...
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radar counted 3,so did i
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so you started turn fighting em?.. :aok :rolleyes:
when i was in the 262 i was going to a friendly gv base,when i got there,there was 2 f4u's and a p47.both under me.i turned around and next thing i know...the f4u is within 200 yrds of me.
sounds like a SA problem to me
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i dive on the hurri,hes at about 7k im at 15k.as i pull back up he closes to 400 yrds with me and shoots me once.
Last I checked, cannon rounds are faster than any aircraft in game.....
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sounds like you flipped a U'ie and lost all your E
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i flipped a U'ie and was 4k away from him at the time i started heading away.the f4u that cought up to me was 6k when i saw him.after i turned he was 4k and circling around the base.when i saw tracers going all around me i looked back and saw the f4u 200 yrds away,the p47 was 5.5k away and the other f4u was 3k away.both the jug and 2nd f4u were about 3k alt higher
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so you started turn fighting em?.. :aok :rolleyes:
sounds like a SA problem to me
i ran away once i noticed the dar had 3 enemy cons,1 in visual range
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So how much energy did you loose in that turn?
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was going about 550 when i entered,came out at 300.dove about 500 ft to NOE,was up to 550 quick
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was going about 550 when i entered,came out at 300.dove about 500 ft to NOE,was up to 550 quick
not quick enough.
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was going about 550 when i entered,came out at 300.dove about 500 ft to NOE,was up to 550 quick
F4U cruses well above 300. A 500ft dive will not get a 262 much speed. F4U can maintain controllable flight at 600 and is capable of reaching that speed in a dive. Therefore everything you said so far sounds realistic.
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not quick enough.
my experience with the f4u,diving about 5k only gets me up to 500 for a short period of time.only planes that ever cought a 262 were p51's.on accasion and that dove on them.not in level flight.
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i dive on the hurri,hes at about 7k im at 15k.as i pull back up he closes to 400 yrds with me and shoots me once.
when i was in the 262 i was going to a friendly gv base,when i got there,there was 2 f4u's and a p47.both under me.i turned around and next thing i know...the f4u is within 200 yrds of me.gives me a 2 second burst and im down.6x50s are that effective?wow.cause last night in a p74m(8x50 cal)i emtpied 1/2 my ammo into a b17s wing and nothing happends.the only consistancy in the game i see is crap like that happening.
you probably pulled back up too soon And probably too hard which will bleed you r E fast without extending first and the hurrican didnt close on you to 400 yards Its that you never made it past 400 yards beyond him. He caused you to overshoot then just pulled up on your 6 after you passed and fired.
Same thing with the 262. you overshot and they nosed to you for a guns solution.
B-17s Read a history book. B-17s were notoriously durable and known for taking a pounding
Following 2 pics are from the same plane
(http://www.daveswarbirds.com/b-17/photos/body/torn-in2.gif)
(http://www.daveswarbirds.com/b-17/photos/body/b17allamerican.jpg)
And heres a link to pics of other damaged 17's that made it home
http://www.daveswarbirds.com/b-17/contents.htm
Furthermore. You can empty the guns of 3 planes into a 17. But if you dont hit anything vital. There is no guarantee its going to go down. all your doing. especially with 50's. Is poking little holes in aluminum. And depending on your range and convergence settings. The amount of rounds actually hitting Vs how many you are firing can vary widely. Half of your rounds may have been missing the plane entirely. Or hitting different places. Just because you see hit sprites. doesnt mean that all your rounds are hitting, or hitting the same place.
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F4U cruses well above 300. A 500ft dive will not get a 262 much speed. F4U can maintain controllable flight at 600 and is capable of reaching that speed in a dive. Therefore everything you said so far sounds realistic.
300 and 550.usualy 550 would be zoomin outta there.ANYWAYS.this is my experience with the game.so far its been pretty crappy.and its not just this one incident.crap like this happends a few times daily.and im done putting up with it for now
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my experience with the f4u,diving about 5k only gets me up to 500 for a short period of time.only planes that ever cought a 262 were p51's.on accasion and that dove on them.not in level flight.
LA-7
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my experience with the f4u,diving about 5k only gets me up to 500 for a short period of time.only planes that ever cought a 262 were p51's.on accasion and that dove on them.not in level flight.
That depends on how you dive. Your saying a P-51 could have cough up to you, just for the record an F4U can out dive a P-51, and there is a version of the F4U which is faster than a P-51.
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you probably pulled back up too soon And probably too hard which will bleed you r E fast without extending first and the hurrican didnt close on you to 400 yards Its that you never made it past 400 yards beyond him. He caused you to overshoot then just pulled up on your 6 after you passed and fired.
Same thing with the 262. you overshot and they nosed to you for a guns solution.
B-17s Read a history book. B-17s were notoriously durable and known for taking a pounding
Following 2 pics are from the same plane
(http://www.daveswarbirds.com/b-17/photos/body/torn-in2.gif)
(http://www.daveswarbirds.com/b-17/photos/body/b17allamerican.jpg)
And heres a link to pics of other damaged 17's that made it home
http://www.daveswarbirds.com/b-17/contents.htm
Furthermore. You can empty the guns of 3 planes into a 17. But if you dont hit anything vital. There is no guarantee its going to go down. all your doing. especially with 50's. Is poking little holes in aluminum. And depending on your range and convergence settings. The amount of rounds actually hitting Vs how many you are firing can vary widely. Half of your rounds may have been missing the plane entirely. Or hitting different places. Just because you see hit sprites. doesnt mean that all your rounds are hitting, or hitting the same place.
then why when im flying a b17,a p51 can give me a 2 second burst in the wing root(where i shot the other guy last night)and i go down.soo inconsistant.at least 2 of the 8 second burst had to have hit in the same spot.
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That depends on how you dive. Your saying a P-51 could have cough up to you, just for the record an F4U can out dive a P-51, and there is a version of the F4U which is faster than a P-51.
the f4u A1?cause thats what he was in.
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300 and 550.usualy 550 would be zoomin outta there.ANYWAYS.this is my experience with the game.so far its been pretty crappy.and its not just this one incident.crap like this happends a few times daily.and im done putting up with it for now
If an F4U pilot going at 550 has a 262 in front of him, he would not zoom out of it.
ANYWAYS.this is my experience with the game.
Seems like you don't have enough experience.
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the f4u A1?cause thats what he was in.
F4U-1A can out dive a P-51D.
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If ithis fairy tale of a post you make occurs so often you must have several films.
lets see maybe just one...
Ill bet $20 to favorite charity your a clueless dolt blaming lack of skills on a very stable coad written in a game
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well ive come to the decision that i might quit AH.
mainly because i feel that it is not "realistic"on some aspects.
for instance,f4u cannot catch a 262 going 550.
i have many other reasons to go along with those but the list is to long.
so..im gonna play the game til the month ends.95% chance il cancel payment and at least take a break.
You'll be back. Your post shows the population that you NEED the attention.
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see,i would have films.but since HTC screwed up.i cant even play them
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F4u1a 12,000lbs roughly. Gonna gain speed fast in a powered dive methinks. If you were below 10,000 feet your 262 is only capable of 520mph in level flight.
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If ithis fairy tale of a post you make occurs so often you must have several films.
lets see maybe just one...
Ill bet $20 to favorite charity your a clueless dolt blaming lack of skills on a very stable coad written in a game
I wouldn't even go that far, he just sounds inexperienced. I think what he thinks he thinks he sees and what actually happened are two different things.
i.e. I bet he wasn't going 550 when he was caught by the corsair. and he probably didn't light up that 17 as well as he thinks he did.
if he gives up this quickly though, maybe it aint his game.
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You'll be back. Your post shows the population that you NEED the attention.
i dont NEED attension.i NEED the game to seem realistic.but to me it doesnt.needing attension happends when u have almost 20k posts.
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but since HTC screwed up.i cant even play them
How did HTC screw up?
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I wouldn't even go that far, he just sounds inexperienced. I think what he thinks he thinks he sees and what actually happened are two different things.
i.e. I bet he wasn't going 550 when he was caught by the corsair. and he probably didn't light up that 17 as well as he thinks he did.
if he gives up this quickly though, maybe it aint his game.
3 months of it.maybe i dont have enought experience.but what little i do,i dont like what ive seen
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F4u1a 12,000lbs roughly. Gonna gain speed fast in a powered dive methinks. If you were below 10,000 feet your 262 is only capable of 520mph in level flight.
Maybe I add that it would take a 262 quite some time to get to that speed, even with a 500ft dive as he said.
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3 months of it.maybe i dont have enought experience.but what little i do,i dont like what ive seen
Do you have any other experience which you can compare this one to?
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Do you have any other experience which you can compare this one to?
well.im not even gonna get into how FUBAR gvs are.other then that ive flown almost all late war planes.
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Wait for it.....
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look kid. your either having fun or you are not. Do what you need to do, but I can assure you, you do not need to tell us about it.
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well.im not even gonna get into how FUBAR gvs are.other then that ive flown almost all late war planes.
Who said anything about GVs?
I asked if you have any other experience to compare AH to? and you answer that you don't want to talk about GVs?? :headscratch:
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See Rules #2, #4, #6
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Wait for it....
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Who said anything about GVs?
I asked if you have any other experience to compare AH to? and you answer that you don't want to talk about GVs?? :headscratch:
ive played airplane games but nothing online like AH.
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ive played airplane games but nothing online like AH.
What kind of airplane games?
99.9% of all the airplane games I seen are not realistic, AH seems to be the .1 percent.
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3 days ago you are posting in the forums how you absolutely love the P-47M and are absolutely awesome in it. So then you switch to the 262, get pwned and think it is a problem with the game?
Just as an FYI - I go HUNTING 262s in a Yak-9 because I only have to dive a few thousand feet at full power to get up to 500+, and once a 262 turns the acceleration is slow enough that they can be caught and shot down. The 262 makes a wonderful bomber hunter, but there are a lot better things you can take to a furball.
Go back to the P-47M.
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You realize, of course, that the single-most important factors here are- who's flying the 262, and how, and how good their SA is, right?
Who's driving the F4U, and how, factors in to some extent too, but nearly as much...
I'd love to see film, if you have it.
You'll have a much better experience in the game once you figure out how and why these "impossible" events are indeed possible, based on your SA and flying habits.
Mountainmn nails it! It'd been better to have posted a question than to make an accusation. Many of us have been exactly where you are in regards to how'd he catch me or what the heck was that ACM. The other day I got a harsh shout from a guy in an f4u4. He wondered (putting it mildly) how an f41a could catch the f4u4. Well he burned e initially. Then he stick stirred. In pursuit, I just kept flying smoothly and not try to match all the stick stirring maneuvers. I only wanted to the be there for that one second of straight flying. That single moment when you look back to see if I'm still there.
A film would have done wonders for the O.P. My best guess is he wasn't doing 550 and the f4 had alt.
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He came, He saw, He got shot down in a 262 whined and left.
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3 days ago you are posting in the forums how you absolutely love the P-47M and are absolutely awesome in it. So then you switch to the 262, get pwned and think it is a problem with the game?
Go back to the P-47M.
:aok Excellent statement! :rock And don't forget the 150 kills ( :rolleyes:) he had in it.
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i dont NEED attension.i NEED the game to seem realistic.but to me it doesnt.needing attension happends when u have almost 20k posts.
Wrong. I have NEVER started a thread even REMOTELY close to this, nor will I ever. I don't feel the need to post I'll be taking a break, when I get burned out. If you didn't want people raining on your parade. You should have either brought an umbrella or never went outside.
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3 months of it.maybe i dont have enought experience.but what little i do,i dont like what ive seen
Well ok then, Bye.
Nutz
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:aok Excellent statement! :rock And don't forget the 150 kills ( :rolleyes:) he had in it.
And that was in just one day. Imagine how many he can get once he masters it! :x
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by a f4u catching a 262 going 550.i was in a 262 going 550 and the f4u was catching me from 4k out
just now,im in a p47M,hurri2C catches me.this game is such BS
the only thing that can be considered to be "Bull Scatalogy" is your story of being caught by a Corsair doing 550mph from over 4,000 yards out and catching you. Do you have a film to post of it? I'm sure you'll reply that you 1) didn't film it 2) reformated your hard drive and lost it or 3) you accidentatly deleted it.
Anyway, a Corsair could only hope to achieve 550mph in a full power dive but most likely not without damge to its flight control surfaces and probably some other types of structural damage from overspeeding. That's what would have happened in "real life"
Wow, I didn't catch your last line until now and I have to say that you sure topped yourself with that one. A Hurricane catching a P-47N? The only way that could have happened is if the Hurricane had an overwhelming energy advantage due to having the altitude advantage and dove on you for the bounce or you were a lot slower than you thought you were and grossly over estimated the Hurricane's speed.
Now that I've read both of your posts with your examples of how the game is "B.S", I've come to the conclusion that the problem isn't with the game but rather the pilot (you). It is clear that you do not have a clear understanding of the planes that you fly in this game, nor a clear understanding of how to read relative energy states of both your plane or the bandit's plane. There are probably dozens and dozens of other things that can be added up to show that the fault lies with your own lack of skill but the most glaring ones that caused your rant are due to you just having no clue about the airplanes, a clear lack of how to estimate relative energy states.
Of course, it's far easier to blame the game for your own lack of skill than to admit you just suck. Reminds me of Schlowy4 and his constant rant about how porked all the Luftwaffe planes are in the game when the problem stems from his lack of skill and not any incorrect modeling of the Luftwaffe planes.
ack-ack
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then why when im flying a b17,a p51 can give me a 2 second burst in the wing root(where i shot the other guy last night)and i go down.soo inconsistant.at least 2 of the 8 second burst had to have hit in the same spot.
Because the guy in the P-51 was probably a far better shot than you are.
Do you know what convergence is? It doesn't seem like you do. Anway, convergence is the point where your bullets meet and that's where you want to hit the target your firing at. Hitting them under or over the convergence point is just going to spread out the hits, lessening the chances of hitting a vital area. Hit at the convergence with a burst from any P-47 and that plane is going to go down. But it takes knowing how to shoot and for that you need to learn gunnery skills.
ack-ack
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by a f4u catching a 262 going 550.i was in a 262 going 550 and the f4u was catching me from 4k out
just now,im in a p47M,hurri2C catches me.this game is such BS
It is all about the starting ENERGY. If that Hurricane is high enough, has enough E, and has a good angle vs your turning slow-n-low P47M, then yes it is highly probable.
The F4Ux is one of the best E planes in the sim-game. It can hold its own. If it was able to dive down for a few thousand feet and get its speed up to 550mph, then yes it very probably could hang with a 262 for a ways, especially if it were a F4U-4.
If you are getting burned out then people understand, but double check your reasons. There is always a logical reason why plane X caught plane Y. Always. Film it and watch it and you will learn many things. Trust me. :aok
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then why when im flying a b17,a p51 can give me a 2 second burst in the wing root(where i shot the other guy last night)and i go down.soo inconsistant.at least 2 of the 8 second burst had to have hit in the same spot.
Simple.
Experience
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the only thing that can be considered to be "Bull Scatalogy" is your story of being caught by a Corsair doing 550mph from over 4,000 yards out and catching you. Do you have a film to post of it? I'm sure you'll reply that you 1) didn't film it 2) reformated your hard drive and lost it or 3) you accidentatly deleted it.
Anyway, a Corsair could only hope to achieve 550mph in a full power dive but most likely not without damge to its flight control surfaces and probably some other types of structural damage from overspeeding. That's what would have happened in "real life"
Wow, I didn't catch your last line until now and I have to say that you sure topped yourself with that one. A Hurricane catching a P-47N? The only way that could have happened is if the Hurricane had an overwhelming energy advantage due to having the altitude advantage and dove on you for the bounce or you were a lot faster than you thought you were and grossly over estimated the Hurricane's speed.
Now that I've read both of your posts with your examples of how the game is "B.S", I've come to the conclusion that the problem isn't with the game but rather the pilot (you). It is clear that you do not have a clear understanding of the planes that you fly in this game, nor a clear understanding of how to read relative energy states of both your plane or the bandit's plane. There are probably dozens and dozens of other things that can be added up to show that the fault lies with your own lack of skill but the most glaring ones that caused your rant are due to you just having no clue about the airplanes, a clear lack of how to estimate relative energy states.
Of course, it's far easier to blame the game for your own lack of skill than to admit you just suck. Reminds me of Schlowy4 and his constant rant about how porked all the Luftwaffe planes are in the game when the problem stems from his lack of skill and not any incorrect modeling of the Luftwaffe planes.
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no,ive got it filmed.but i get a window that sais "windows does not recognize this..yada yada..it sais i can either get web help or choose a program to view it.windows media player cant play it i guess.there for.i cant do it
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no,ive got it filmed.but i get a window that sais "windows does not recognize this..yada yada..it sais i can either get web help or choose a program to view it.windows media player cant play it i guess.there for.i cant do it
choose a program to view it.. the aces high film viewer.
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Open with: C:\Hitech Creations\Aces High\ahfilm.exe
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So far no one has held a gun to my head and MADE me play AH.
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So I don't need this gun to Rino head anymore. :bhead
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So far no one has held a gun to my head and MADE me play AH.
Well no gun, but I do have this lovely knife:
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41gACjyrCSL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)
Mind PM'ing me your address?
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Uber lack of SA...and mis reading E...and mis reading his instruments...and burning to much E to fast..and bad gunnery...and no convergence. how long ca nthe list be? wow...
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lol so I guess the 262 I killed while I was in a Zero is just so not realistic......or the 262 I killed while in a hurri?
it all comes down to experience, you have none.....you think in very basic terms IE 262 is the fastest plane there is so nothing can catch it.....or the Hurri is one of the slowest so it cannot catch my uber F4U.....it all comes down to ENERGY as many have said, you may think you know the energy of another plane but until you truly understand this concept, you will think something is screwy, as I can see that this is how you think, it must be the game, it cannot be me........ive been here since tour 52 and straight up.....there is very few things "wrong" with it. it has an outstanding flight model and NO plane is overly "wrong" no not even the "Brew"
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bye :aok
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I can't ever remember a player admitting to so many deficiencies in understanding and skills in one thread than this one. Wow. Just wow. Of course for everything he doesn't understand and every skill he lacks it's HT's fault. :rolleyes:
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then why when im flying a b17,a p51 can give me a 2 second burst in the wing root(where i shot the other guy last night)and i go down.soo inconsistant.at least 2 of the 8 second burst had to have hit in the same spot.
Something to ponder: The last B-17 I killed with a P-51 died while I had just two bullets in two guns. In your example you stated a two second burst! With that much ammo I could and have killed all three B-17s. By the same token I have killed P-51s trying to do the same thing to me.
Drediock is right... its a matter of experience.
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*in a strong Polish accent*
"Repeat please"
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my experience with the f4u,diving about 5k only gets me up to 500 for a short period of time.only planes that ever cought a 262 were p51's.on accasion and that dove on them.not in level flight.
Probably because the Japanese didn't have 262s for the NAVY to catch with their corsairs.
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Something to ponder: The last B-17 I killed with a P-51 died while I had just two bullets in two guns. In your example you stated a two second burst! With that much ammo I could and have killed all three B-17s. By the same token I have killed P-51s trying to do the same thing to me.
Drediock is right... its a matter of experience.
funny you mention this... i was in a k4 earlier today. out buff hunting, put 2 taters in a b24, one was wing, the other was tail. forced to finish him with my BB's... im thinkin "How am i gonna do this? :huh" only 400 BB's later he was down :-P mind you...those 200 BB's used was with him shoooting at me.
just reinforces the need for consistancy and convergence.
Probably because the Japanese didn't have 262s for the NAVY to catch with their corsairs.
but the japs did have rockets...
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*in a strong Polish accent*
"Repeat please"
:devil
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see,i would have films.but since HTC screwed up.i cant even play them
no,ive got it filmed.but i get a window that sais "windows does not recognize this..yada yada..it sais i can either get web help or choose a program to view it.windows media player cant play it i guess.there for.i cant do it
Great! Filming your issues is an awesome way to learn from them, and have a better time in the game as a result.
The fact that you cannot play your films isn't an HTC screw-up, it's one of the ways you're misunderstanding what you're experiencing. Aces High films aren't actual "films", and won't play in any player other than the Aces High Film Viewer, which is included with the game when you download it. The first time you try to open a film, you'll get the message you describe. You need to go with the "Choose a program" option, selecting the AH film viewer, and checking the box that says something along the lines of "use this program for all files of this type"... From then on, you won't have any problems viewing your films. Another option would be to go into the Local Disc/Hitech Creations/Aces High folder, and open the film viewer (NOT THE FILM FOLDER). It's an icon labeled ahfilm. Once the viewer is open, go to the top left corner and open the file, and choose the path to the film you want to watch. There is a lot of tweaking you can do to make the most out of the viewer (adjust your views, turn on trails, icons, etc, and even watch from the other planes perspective).
I'd suggest posting films here on the forums for review by other players. They can help immensely with interpreting what's going on and why. You'll learn much quicker that way, rather than trying to get good at the game by yourself. It's a tough game, and has a treacherous learning curve.
I'd also suggest you take a trip to the AHTrainers page, and read EVERYTHING. Again, it's going to speed up the process of improving your ability and enjoyment of the game.
http://trainers.hitechcreations.com/
Lastly, I'd recommend you try to actually link up with a Trainer for some 1 on 1 training...
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The big question here is, what kind of other AIRPLANE games he has played
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I'd suggest posting films here on the forums for review by other players. They can help immensely with interpreting what's going on and why. You'll learn much quicker that way, rather than trying to get good at the game by yourself. It's a tough game, and has a treacherous learning curve.
I'd also suggest you take a trip to the AHTrainers page, and read EVERYTHING. Again, it's going to speed up the process of improving your ability and enjoyment of the game.
http://trainers.hitechcreations.com/
Lastly, I'd recommend you try to actually link up with a Trainer for some 1 on 1 training...
None of these things will happen. He found the forums. It's hard to miss the one labeld "Help and Training". Clearly he doesn't care to take the time to learn the game and clearly in his mind his own laziness is also HT's fault.
I applaud your trying to help but I think it might be time better spent just waving goodbye as he walks out the door. There are players eager to learn the game the you could better spend time on.
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yep.
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quit your whining here :ahand
I've killed a wellknown jet@rD w my 1A. do you see him whining? no. bye bye
greens
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None of these things will happen. He found the forums. It's hard to miss the one labeld "Help and Training". Clearly he doesn't care to take the time to learn the game and clearly in his mind his own laziness is also HT's fault.
I applaud your trying to help but I think it might be time better spent just waving goodbye as he walks out the door. There are players eager to learn the game the you could better spend time on.
I totally disagree with this. I think the O.P. posted out anger and frustration. This game can be frustrating. Then again maybe for some help and advice and he didn't know how to ask correctly. Yes he should go to the training and help section of the board.
Addendum: Then maybe it was the fact that he lost a 262 and just knew the guy that killed him had a big giant humongous grin. Probably laughing too. Well if it's the latter Joach1m said he lost 7 262s in one camp. Might as well throw that ego out the door and laugh with everyone else. I've augered those things before and you know that sent a shock wave of joy through the enemy. I just say, oops!
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Your right Getback the OP was out anger and frustration, but if he would understand his mistake he would probably not be as frustrated, learn from it, and not do it again. I would send him to the help and training forum, but one if his problems is that he does not realize how realistic this simulator is. A basic game can be learned in one day and you can be good at in 2 days, he said he been here for 3 month (I think) and he's nowhere near average. I perfectly understand why he does not like it.
As BaldEagl said before this simulator might not be for him, perhaps he needs a more basic game that you can master within a week? Flying is not for everyone.
One of the first things I recommended him to do is take a break, while on that break study the physics of flight and ACM, then come back and give it another shot. It does not seem that he liked that idea very much (he actually totally ignored my post), but I think that's the best thing he can do. The only other option for him is to trust us saying that it is realistic and learn through trial and error, but I bet he does not want to do that anymore and we can not make him.
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Yes, Machfly, sometimes a break is really good.
Only 3 months. LOLOLOL. I've been here about 10 years and I am not close to knowing everything. I like that though. I like to think there's things to learn. Makes it fun.
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So I don't need this gun to Rino head anymore. :bhead
Wow, my SA worse than ever. I never even noticed Bush's gun :D
Phan
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ive played airplane games but nothing online like AH.
From your remarks and your understanding of flight dynamics I would believe that you haven't played any "airplane" game like AH. You really do need to quit.
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:rofl
There is this thing we call energy.
you mean 5 hour energy? :noid
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I takes a while to get handle on how much thought has gone into the modeling of the game. A lot of effects that seem inconceivable at the moment turn out to be pretty obvious once you get what's really going on.
Having said that I can tell you the game's gotten much worse in terms of reliability over the last few years. No matter how much they choke the servers with arena caps and such some things are just a product of playing a game on the net. Maybe one day I'll post a vid of a 3" shell bouncing off an m-3 to substantiate but don't hold your breath. It's not our job to provide QC input. This stuff should be worked out before we log in. But all in all $15 to be an all access beta tester is pretty cheap.
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look idiot.dont need to be a jerk cause u got a 3 inch wang
You may be leaving the forum as well.
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Just a GAME!!!! Nothing REAL about it. 99% of the ACM's as some of you call it would never be possible in real life. A a/c passes me I look back and he is doing a summer salt in mid air(and yes I have seen this happen) and then he is 200 on my 6. So take everything with a grian of salt, take a deep breath, up your best HO a/c, go HO about 5 cons and watch them cry on 200 and have a good laugh about it :x :cheers:
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You win AH Fail of the day. :bolt:
Just a GAME!!!! Nothing REAL about it. 99% of the ACM's as some of you call it would never be possible in real life. A a/c passes me I look back and he is doing a summer salt in mid air(and yes I have seen this happen) and then he is 200 on my 6. So take everything with a grian of salt, take a deep breath, up your best HO a/c, go HO about 5 cons and watch them cry on 200 and have a good laugh about it :x :cheers:
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I subscribe to the origional posters logic.
Shane shot me down therefore HT failed to coad the sim in the proper way that it should have been.
I should have shot shane down because shane is a scrub. error does not compute. begin nerd rage on channel 200 and begin hunting shane protocol.
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oh goodie....purse fight :banana:
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Wait for it....
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i dive on the hurri,hes at about 7k im at 15k.as i pull back up he closes to 400 yrds with me and shoots me once.
when i was in the 262 i was going to a friendly gv base,when i got there,there was 2 f4u's and a p47.both under me.i turned around and next thing i know...the f4u is within 200 yrds of me.gives me a 2 second burst and im down.6x50s are that effective?wow.cause last night in a p74m(8x50 cal)i emtpied 1/2 my ammo into a b17s wing and nothing happends.the only consistancy in the game i see is crap like that happening.
You do realize bullets travel faster than airplanes in AH, right? (even 262s) You muffed the pass and he caught you on the overshoot.
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well ive come to the decision that i might quit AH.
mainly because i feel that it is not "realistic"on some aspects.
for instance,f4u cannot catch a 262 going 550.
i have many other reasons to go along with those but the list is to long.
so..im gonna play the game til the month ends.95% chance il cancel payment and at least take a break.
funny stuff...another "i don't know what i'm doing or talking about and it's the game's fault"... :rofl
if the aircraft were as realistic as you're trying to say you want it, you wouldn't be able to get off the runway, much less dogfight.
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Deleted...Dreaded double post.
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Imagine how many he can get once he masters it! :x
:lol Scarry thought Snuggs! You had best be carefull in your 262 when he does. :devil
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I can just blame HTC when that happens. :D
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by a f4u catching a 262 going 550.i was in a 262 going 550 and the f4u was catching me from 4k out
just now,im in a p47M,hurri2C catches me.this game is such BS
so who was going down hill? oh thats hard to believe akak laughing didn't think that was possilbe
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I can just blame HTC when that happens. :D
:rofl Now there's a novel idea that's never been tried before. ;)
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The F4U with the monster engine (F4U-4?) can easily run down a 262 if it has some alt on the 262. Those suckers haul butt!!
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almost ran one down the other night in a spit8, he never noticed me 4 k over him when he dove into the furrball, i just pointed nose down and went after him, got to about 600 out before he started to pull away, i pinged him good but never caught him
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If I'm in an f4u and a spit is over me by 4k I don't worry so much. I keep an eye on him and if he comes down I just undercut him and fly off. If he makes any other mistake, I'm back in.
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99% of the ACM's as some of you call it would never be possible in real life.
99%? Tell me which one's aren't real; turning? climbing? rolling? diving? climbing while turning? diving while turning? rolling while diving?... really. 99%?
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99%? Tell me which one's aren't real; turning? climbing? rolling? diving? climbing while turning? diving while turning? rolling while diving?... really. 99%?
can i tell you? :D i know you've seen stuff that would not be possible in a real plane traveling 300 mph...the pilot would black out and or never regain control from some of the gamey stuff that is done.
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can i tell you? :D i know you've seen stuff that would not be possible in a real plane traveling 300 mph...the pilot would black out and or never regain control from some of the gamey stuff that is done.
When Planes flop around like fish on a hook when there trying not to be shot down, yea that's just a tad on the unrealistic side :joystick: when you have played this game for along time, you see alot of strange things done with planes that's way outside of the real world characteristics of those Planes, lol i do like watching the floppinfish :joystick: but man there hard to hit and they always get me chuckling :lol
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can i tell you? :D i know you've seen stuff that would not be possible in a real plane traveling 300 mph...the pilot would black out and or never regain control from some of the gamey stuff that is done.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1GVpyHYwtM
:)
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:lol
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Just a GAME!!!! Nothing REAL about it. 99% of the ACM's as some of you call it would never be possible in real life. A a/c passes me I look back and he is doing a summer salt in mid air(and yes I have seen this happen) and then he is 200 on my 6. So take everything with a grian of salt, take a deep breath, up your best HO a/c, go HO about 5 cons and watch them cry on 200 and have a good laugh about it :x :cheers:
Do you have any experience to backup your theory?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1GVpyHYwtM
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Thats a modified stunt plane. Im pretty sure we are talkin bout WW2
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1GVpyHYwtM
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Nice
I want one.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1GVpyHYwtM
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yyyyeeaah...nice try... :aok ...notice that wasn't a vintage 1943 fighter of any sort.
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it may not be a WW2 plane.....but its a person who is flying the plane......which people are saying those Maneuvers are not possible in real life :rolleyes:
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can i tell you? :D i know you've seen stuff that would not be possible in a real plane traveling 300 mph...the pilot would black out and or never regain control from some of the gamey stuff that is done.
Why would the pilot not black out from a high G turn? Even if it's at 300mph?
As far as I remember you regain control in AH after some time.
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Why is it that it is always "I have seen some strange stuff by other people" vs "I have been able to do some strange thing in these airplanes" ?
You may be very surprised what can be done in a real plane that is not done simply because if you fail the maneuver, the ground hurts very much.
HiTech
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it may not be a WW2 plane.....but its a person who is flying the plane......which people are saying those Maneuvers are not possible in real life :rolleyes:
do any of those twisty turny floppy maneuvers in a 109 and i guarantee you end up as a greasy spot on the ground...
Why would the pilot not black out from a high G turn? Even if it's at 300mph?
As far as I remember you regain control in AH after some time.
you got lost somewhere along the way didn't you?
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you got lost somewhere along the way didn't you?
After re-reading your post...
In AH pilots do black out even at 300mph. You will always regain control after blacking out as long as you don't hit the ground during that time, which is exactly what happens in AH.
In AH sometimes you never regain control after some of the maneuvers and fall for 15K until you hit the ground (with your airplane fully intact).
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do any of those twisty turny floppy maneuvers in a 109 and i guarantee you end up as a greasy spot on the ground...
you got lost somewhere along the way didn't you?
well I have only flown a real plane once...and have flown in AH for a few years and thankfully in AH you don't really die :D but now that I have a good understanding of the planes I can easily do some crazy stuff in them with no worries, that video of the aerobatic plane that was posted is just a perfect example of what a human can deal with, could a WW2 plane do the things it was doing? most likely not, but you don't see that stuff in AH, the end over end was pretty crazy, I have spun out and recovered though, a good spin would look similar :aok
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Why is it that it is always "I have seen some strange stuff by other people" vs "I have been able to do some strange thing in these airplanes" ?
Because people can't tell from their end how much of watching someone out hooning a FW-190 is the other guy maneuvering the plane and how much is spastic movement caused by irregular network latency?
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Why is it that it is always "I have seen some strange stuff by other people" vs "I have been able to do some strange thing in these airplanes" ?
some of us try not to do the strange fishy stuff, while others live by nothing but gaming the game...
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In AH sometimes you never regain control after some of the maneuvers and fall for 15K until you hit the ground (with your airplane fully intact).
That says a lot about the pilot...
But, nothing about the planes or modeling in AH.
If you seriously have that problem, you could fix it with practice and a little study. There's nothing magical about it, and nothing unrealistic about it.
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That says a lot about the pilot...
But, nothing about the planes or modeling in AH.
If you seriously have that problem, you could fix it with practice and a little study. There's nothing magical about it, and nothing unrealistic about it.
You can get an airplane into a tail down spin which is almost unrecoverable.
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Why is it that it is always "I have seen some strange stuff by other people" vs "I have been able to do some strange thing in these airplanes" ?
You may be very surprised what can be done in a real plane that is not done simply because if you fail the maneuver, the ground hurts very much.
HiTech
For the record then, "I have been able to do some strange thing in these airplanes", but fortunately the ground modeling in AH doesn't hurt one bit <G>
:D :D :D
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For the record then, "I have been able to do some strange thing in these airplanes", but fortunately the ground modeling in AH doesn't hurt one bit <G>
:D :D :D
lol i think we both were last night, it was fun fighting you :salute
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I guess it's just me, but it seems like people weren't quite so "sensitive" in the good old days. If you want to express
your opinions and ideas, why is it so hard to let others do the same? Posting rediculous whines and then attempting to
suppress any disagreement about them seems the height of folly to me.
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It is all about the starting ENERGY.
Not only speed but geometry and timing. You don't need to be as fast as the plane you're trying to catch, only be at the right place at the right time for a killer solution. You don't need to follow the exact same zoom timing and geometry as a 262, not when you can delay your zoom up and take a "shortcut" to where you've got a solution from.
Also a nitpick: when flying fast enough, bullets will be slow enough in your frame of ref that they're moving like slow motion. It might be possible to fly fast enough and fire slow enough rounds that they're too slow to hit their target.
do any of those twisty turny floppy maneuvers in a 109 and i guarantee you end up as a greasy spot on the ground...
Let's see some film instead of vague anecdote.
some of us try not to do the strange fishy stuff, while others live by nothing but gaming the game...
irrelevant to whether or not the hitech quote in your post is accurate.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1GVpyHYwtM
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A better example would be this one as its a single winged aircraft
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDAj2AV0534&feature=related
To be fair. a good question would be. Exactly how many of those maneuvers would be possible in a WWII aircraft.
No doubt alot of these maneuvers are possible. but also no doubt alot of these maneuvers we see in these videos are probably not possible in a WWII aircraft because of differences in manufacturing.
If there is a problem with the manuvers done in AH though. its not so much with whats being done. But whats not modeled in the accumulative effects of pilot fatigue that we know they suffered from extended use of such maneuvers. The G-Suit and muscle training wasnt/isnt to prevent pilot fatigue altogether. But rather to delay its onset.
Then there is also the accumulative effects of the stresses on the aircraft itself. (Back to manufacturing) that arent taken into account. Horse anything around long enough and it will eventually break
Here you can engage ACM for hours straight if it were possible. and not suffer from fatigue.
But this is a game and not RL
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if you want realism, wear a catheter.... you can even get disposable ones...
http://www.liberatormedical.com/catheters/lp/catheters3.php?uid=WM_GOOGLE_URO_CATHETERS_DISPOSABLE&wm_crID=5688538&wm_lpID=20132715&wm_ctID=338&wm_kwID=9854161&wm_mtID=3&wm_content=0&wm_g_crID=8174838181&wm_g_kw=disposable+catheter&wm_g_pcmt=&wm_g_cnt=0&gclid=CJCA29np6qcCFRx3gwod_QWubw&wm_kw=disposable+catheter&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_term=disposable+catheter&utm_campaign=urology+%252D+general+%252D+product (http://www.liberatormedical.com/catheters/lp/catheters3.php?uid=WM_GOOGLE_URO_CATHETERS_DISPOSABLE&wm_crID=5688538&wm_lpID=20132715&wm_ctID=338&wm_kwID=9854161&wm_mtID=3&wm_content=0&wm_g_crID=8174838181&wm_g_kw=disposable+catheter&wm_g_pcmt=&wm_g_cnt=0&gclid=CJCA29np6qcCFRx3gwod_QWubw&wm_kw=disposable+catheter&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_term=disposable+catheter&utm_campaign=urology+%252D+general+%252D+product)
Made me shoot coke out my nose
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Made me shoot coke out my nose
The coke's supposed to... oh nevermind.
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If there is a problem with the manuvers done in AH though. its not so much with whats being done. But whats not modeled in the accumulative effects of pilot fatigue that we know they suffered from extended use of such maneuvers. The G-Suit and muscle training wasnt/isnt to prevent pilot fatigue altogether. But rather to delay its onset.
Here you can engage ACM for hours straight if it were possible. and not suffer from fatigue.
Reduced G tolerance with pilot wounds would be cool.
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Let's see some film instead of vague anecdote.
irrelevant to whether or not the hitech quote in your post is accurate.
you're right, i honestly didn't realize you were a real live ww2 fighter pilot that did stunts in combat situations...i'm beyond impressed, you're a legend in your own mind...where can i get tickets to your next show?
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my next show is right here in this thread, where I point out plain simple rhetorical flaws. Yes, apparenlty that makes me an impressively legendary ww2 fighter combat stunt pilot
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Although this is not a WW2 aircraft, the pilot is a WW2 vet. I think this shows what is possible. (especially like the 16 point roll with both engines off)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PftNh_SShlg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PftNh_SShlg)
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Although this is not a WW2 aircraft, the pilot is a WW2 vet. I think this shows what is possible. (especially like the 16 point roll with both engines off)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PftNh_SShlg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PftNh_SShlg)
Simply amazing.
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Although this is not a WW2 aircraft, the pilot is a WW2 vet. I think this shows what is possible. (especially like the 16 point roll with both engines off)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PftNh_SShlg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PftNh_SShlg)
very cool...but nothing like what that guy with the biplane was doing...notice he wasn't yanking and twisting that yoke around turning the plane on its tail...nor was he pulling anything higher than 2 or 3 g's...take the stunts that guy with the biplane was doing and try it with that twin engine, would make a nice fire on the ground...yet in the arenas without the physical effects or any real penalty for failure it happens all the time...that's the kind of poop i'm talking about.
my next show is right here in this thread, where I point out plain simple rhetorical flaws. Yes, apparenlty that makes me an impressively legendary ww2 fighter combat stunt pilot
you should try harder to not point out your own rhetoric as flawed...not good for ticket sales...
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can i tell you?
So you're also sayng that 99% of what's done in the game is not possible in a real WWII fighter plane? OK. :rolleyes:
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ticket sales
What are you, two years old?
do any of those twisty turny floppy maneuvers in a 109 and i guarantee you end up as a greasy spot on the ground...
This is anecdote. No details at all to set a legit description apart from hyperbole or just mistaken recollection.
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Anyone know how these threads get started?
If so let's punish their Parents!
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What are you, two years old?
Moot, he's just crabby 'cause U of Wisconsin got knocked out of the NCAA tourney! :x
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Moot, he's just crabby 'cause U of Wisconsin got knocked out of the NCAA tourney! :x
:lol i don't follow basketball but i was more interested in marquette's run.
This is anecdote. No details at all to set a legit description apart from hyperbole or just mistaken recollection.
now i get it...you're just another wannabe without any clue what you're talking about.
since you're so hard of understanding and lack any semblance of deductive reasoning, i'll do what i can to assist you in comprehending. i haven't been talking about hammerheads, rolling scissors or cuban eights genius. more along the lines of 300mph lomcevak in a 190, or a 200+mph snap roll-flick roll in a p-47, by error or intent. since you're a genuine ww2 combat pilot perhaps you can enlighten me as to the realistic odds of suvivability with such maneuvers at 2000 feet in ww2 aircraft.
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:lol i don't follow basketball but i was more interested in marquette's run.
now i get it...you're just another wannabe without any clue what you're talking about.
since you're so hard of understanding and lack any semblance of deductive reasoning, i'll do what i can to assist you in comprehending. i haven't been talking about hammerheads, rolling scissors or cuban eights genius. more along the lines of 300mph lomcevak in a 190, or a 200+mph snap roll-flick roll in a p-47, by error or intent. since you're a genuine ww2 combat pilot perhaps you can enlighten me as to the realistic odds of suvivability with such maneuvers at 2000 feet in ww2 aircraft.
Very High, I have done 200 mph snap rolls in wwii aircraft.
But please send film of a 300mph lomcevak
HiTch
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Very High, I have done 200 mph snap rolls in wwii aircraft.
But please send film of a 300mph lomcevak
HiTch
really...you've done a 200 mph snap roll-flick roll (combination maneuver, not just a snap roll) in a p-47?
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In a P51 during a dog fight.
HiTech
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In a P51 during a dog fight.
HiTech
nice, i bet that surprised the poop out of the person you were flying against. i've seen tail slides and hammerheads in mock dogfights but at 200mph going into the maneuver i have to wonder how close you got to losing control by the time the maneuver was completed, and how much physical exertion it took to maintain control.
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i haven't been talking about hammerheads, rolling scissors or cuban eights genius. more along the lines of 300mph lomcevak in a 190, or a 200+mph snap roll-flick roll in a p-47, by error or intent. since you're a genuine ww2 combat pilot perhaps you can enlighten me as to the realistic odds of suvivability with such maneuvers at 2000 feet in ww2 aircraft.
That wasn't so hard was it?
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nice, i bet that surprised the poop out of the person you were flying against. i've seen tail slides and hammerheads in mock dogfights but at 200mph going into the maneuver i have to wonder how close you got to losing control by the time the maneuver was completed, and how much physical exertion it took to maintain control.
Who said I had control or that it was intentional? It just departs to snap roll by itself. Recover after about 1/2 snap.
HiTech
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There is a difference between "emptying half my ammo into the plane" and "emptying half my ammo at the plane".
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Who said I had control or that it was intentional? It just departs to snap roll by itself. Recover after about 1/2 snap.
HiTech
(http://th973.photobucket.com/albums/ae216/DWBHClub/Smileys/th_lmaosmiley-vi.gif) ok, your initial interjection did appear as if you were stating it was intentional.
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(http://th973.photobucket.com/albums/ae216/DWBHClub/Smileys/th_lmaosmiley-vi.gif) ok, your initial interjection did appear as if you were stating it was intentional.
Uncontrolled doesn't mean unintentional, does it? (I'm not implying that Hitech's brief loss of control was intentional, though)
I've never seen any plane able to do in AH what Sean Tucker can do with his biplanes in reality. If you believe you have, I'd like some too, please.
I can get the planes to do some nice tumbling, but not at the same speed, altitude, or quickness that you see in Sean's aerobatics. These planes are capable of some semblance of the same maneuvers, but require more speed, space, and altitude... And, while the biplane is doing it while under control, the WWII planes require you to relinquish some level of control during some maneuvers. That doesn't mean it isn't intentional, it just means that for some period of time you're not in control. It doesn't mean you can't plan for it, and use it, and regain control predictably.
For a simple example, go roll some film and see what you can do, following the same space-restraints that Sean Tucker is-
http://www.iac.org/begin/aerobatic_box.html
See how many similar (I won't ask for identical) maneuvers you can perform in that little box. I'd really like to see it in a P47, P51, F4U, etc, since those are the class of planes being questioned. For help with the maneuvers, loads of info (even diagrams) are available on the web. Here's how to do a Lomcevak-
http://members.cox.net/moorman1/Lomcevak.htm
Good Luck! As mentioned, you'll need a plane that can stall well inverted, and has lots of down-elevator authority. You'll have lots more down-elevator if you trim manually, since the CT will work backwards while you're inverted.
Obviously, the space allowed is less than that over a small airfield... Anyone know the AH runway lengths?
I can't control a bullet after it leaves the barrel, but where its final placement is still intentional. Same goes for the basketball, since that's been brought up.
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I think the OPs brain is melting. :)
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There is a difference between "emptying half my ammo into the plane" and "emptying half my ammo at the plane".
Excellent point.
I've done both. Still doesnt mean the planes going down LOL
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Who said I had control or that it was intentional? It just departs to snap roll by itself. Recover after about 1/2 snap.
HiTech
How do ya think he knows that the ground hurts very much :D :bolt:
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LT,
I'm not sure if its me your referring to as the F4u chasing u down, but earlier in Blue, I did the exact thing.
I was winging badace and we noted a 262 aprx 5.5k out , co alt (8k)...I'm not sure if it was you, but i was in a F4I'd and my wing in the perked hog.
He came in for me, surprisingly didn't ho../claps....and after missing his gun solution went into the vertical. I kept going straight at aprx 400 mph and extended. My wing then made a HO pass with him and neither fired, then again he pulled into a steep right bank, at which point i had already come around , again going at least 400, and when hit hit the top of your turn, all his e blown, I climbed into him from 2k out and put a 2 second burst from 6-800 out smoking his (rt?) eng. After this he extended out and we assumed, ran for home, but we noticed the smoke trail coming back around. We had a little alt adv. at this point, and we kept it as he dove for a lower friendly (vMauri, apologize for spelling sir). The 262 missed a shot with him, and with the eng soon to run out of oil, me and my wing, followed along hi, eventually taking a heading to the nearest airfield assuming he was going there. The 262 flew threw two of his friendly v bases trying to shake VMa, and as he was nearing his friendly field, he had gained ground on vMa, and began a slow left turn to head for home. we cut him off, and from about 6k I dove straight down ahead of him, pulling out with the 262 about 600 out, speed was in excess of 500 and i gained within 1k, at which point i had to dodge a k4, and something else. Chased the 262 threw base ack, and then he made a extremely slow (guessing engine was out) right turn to try and get me back though base ack, I fired another 2 second burst landing some good hits mid fuselage. Alas he didn't go down, but then base ack finally took my wings off. I'm assuming my wing finished him off, because the whole while he stayed hi. i really don't know who the 262 was ,being i died then had to leave immediately, but respectfully whoever this was needs to learn a 262. Sharp flat turns and drastic vertical maneuvers, are a no no. While you can accelerate relatively quickly , the 1-2 second where you slow to normal air speed, leaves u vulnerable.
Not trying to sound like a jerk, but just wanted to state that its all about the situation and the pilots involved. A plane is never guaranteed to outrun anything in every situation. Even in WW2, there were 262 pilots shot down by pony's and other planes, simply because while your obviously faster in a level flight, If a plane drops 6k , and levels right on your tail, its a high likelyhood he can keep with you a good distance....especially if you do anything other than fly level or dive.
<S> All who fight in the clouds....or on the deck...
Condor
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i ran away once i noticed the dar had 3 enemy cons,1 in visual range
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